0:00

I've heard a lot of different theories about my biological

0:02

father. I have heard that he was a reporter.

0:05

I heard that he was somebody

0:07

that worked with her at the post

0:09

office. I heard that it was another

0:11

inmates husband. I've heard that it was just

0:13

some guy off the street. She knew she was

0:15

going to get pregnant, and she wanted to get pregnant and just

0:17

picked up the first guy she saw, So you

0:20

know, I don't know. In Diane

0:23

Downs shot her three children, killing

0:26

her daughter Cheryl, and forever altering

0:28

the lives of not only her two surviving

0:30

children, but the other people in her

0:32

life. Before her imprisonment,

0:35

she purposely set out to give birth to another

0:37

child, who would incidentally become another

0:39

life permanently changed by Diane's

0:41

actions. There's a tired

0:43

old idiom that people often use when

0:45

confronting the things they've buried and hidden.

0:48

The truth will set you free. The

0:50

fact is, sometimes the truth is its

0:52

own prison, like when the truth of who

0:54

your father is becomes a dark shadow

0:57

that follows you and suffocates you

0:59

until you finally are forced to confront it.

1:02

When eleven year old Becky found out her biological

1:04

mother was Diane Downs, it disrupted

1:06

her identity and changed the course of her

1:08

behavior and her life. Now

1:11

she's seeking the other half of that puzzle,

1:13

the identity of her biological father,

1:16

someone who may or may not even know she

1:18

exists. Will that truth help

1:20

bring balance to the way of her own truth,

1:23

or will only further add to the chaos of

1:25

her self image.

1:36

Without knowing for sure the identity of Becky's

1:38

father, one has to wonder if he himself

1:41

is even aware that Becky is his acrosses

1:44

my mind sometimes, I mean, maybe

1:47

he just doesn't want to believe that I

1:49

could be that child, or that he could be that father, because

1:52

I've been public now for ten years

1:54

with my story, and if

1:57

my biological father wanted to find me, he would

1:59

have the only things I can come up with.

2:01

Or he doesn't know he's my biological

2:03

father, he doesn't want to be

2:05

my biological father, or is deceased.

2:08

I mean, if you are intimate with somebody

2:10

in nine months later there's a baby, I would

2:12

question that. There was very

2:14

little physical description of the father given,

2:17

and what's there didn't help narrow down the

2:19

possibilities. My adopted mom

2:22

she told me that on my adoption

2:24

paperwork that he was listed as being

2:26

like six two, blonde hair, blue eyes.

2:29

That's all I know. I think that he's German

2:32

or Danish, and that's it. I

2:34

don't know anything else. There's

2:40

a certain piece to Becky's current situation.

2:43

She's lived her entire life up to this point

2:46

not knowing the identity of a biological

2:48

father, and as far as she knows,

2:50

he could be anyone, someone good,

2:52

someone interesting, someone loving, someone

2:55

ready to embrace his long lost daughter with

2:57

open arms. He could fit any temple

3:00

it Becky wants or needs him to. I

3:02

can decide who he is, and

3:04

I can. You know, I think that

3:06

he's an amazing person, and

3:09

and even if he's not, as long as he's a

3:11

decent human being, I'd be happy.

3:13

But I'm scared to go on this journey because

3:16

what if he is, you know, deceased. What

3:18

if he doesn't want me in his life. It's

3:21

very, very scary to open this store. But

3:23

I am very lucky to have the parents that I

3:25

do have. It's not just Becky's

3:27

biological father who isn't a part of her

3:30

life, but her to have siblings,

3:32

Christie and Danny, survivors of

3:34

Diane's attack, also live their

3:36

own private lives, independent of

3:38

any real relationship with Becky.

3:40

I did reach out to them back in two thousand

3:43

and six. I found Christie online.

3:45

We had a little bit of a conversation going.

3:47

We spoke every couple of days. She told

3:49

me a little bit about herself. I told her about myself,

3:52

and one day I got a message that burned

3:54

Danny don't want anything to do with me, that

3:56

so much time had passed that they don't want to get to

3:58

know me more rejection.

4:01

Christie and Danny knew about Becky,

4:03

that they were related, that they shared the similar

4:06

link, and still wanted nothing to

4:08

do with her. And it's understandable

4:10

what they went through I could never even imagine,

4:12

and maybe being in

4:14

my life for meeting me would bring up

4:16

some of that for them. I'm not sure. Becky

4:19

also reached out to Diane's father. I've

4:22

spoken with Diane Down's father,

4:24

Wes. He was a sweet man. He

4:26

wanted to tell me a lot of

4:28

the family history, but he also wanted

4:31

to tell me about Diane and

4:33

about her case and how she's innocent.

4:36

Becky didn't set out with the intention of

4:38

speaking to Diane's father about the crime,

4:40

but to some extent, it was unavoidable.

4:42

I asked both Diane and

4:45

her father when we first spoke all those

4:47

years ago, that I didn't want to hear

4:49

about her guilt or her innocence. I

4:51

just want to hear about her. I just want to know about

4:54

the family. I just want to know about my biological

4:56

father. I wanted to leave the case out

4:58

of it because I knew all they were going to do

5:00

is try and convince me that she's innocent.

5:03

I just wanted to know them that

5:05

side of my family. Is there a part

5:07

of you that questions whether she's innocent? Diane's

5:11

innocence has been a question for a lot of people

5:13

for a long time. I don't

5:15

believe she's innocent, no, but I

5:18

know that people do. There

5:25

are some people, like Diane herself,

5:27

who championed her innocence to this day.

5:30

Her brother, James Frederickson, is one of

5:32

them. James was one of the only family

5:35

members willing to talk to Becky and me about

5:37

Diane and their family history. He

5:39

believes that part of understanding who Diane

5:42

was is understanding her relationship

5:44

with her ex husband, Steve, who she

5:46

blames for much of what she became. She

5:49

sent James a letter detailing her marriage

5:51

and relationships leading up to the shooting,

5:53

which is oddly written mostly

5:55

in third person. James shares

5:57

a bit of that here. Thanks. Just Steve

6:00

came into our lives in nineteen seventy

6:02

one. We had moved Chandler

6:04

to farm and Steve was a

6:06

farm hand from the neighbors. My mom and

6:08

dad wanted my sister to data of the boys,

6:11

but you know, she was head over heels for Steve,

6:13

and obviously Steve's head over heels

6:15

for her. Judge married them on

6:17

November nineteen seventy

6:19

three, with only Greg Roach and

6:21

the judges secretary as witnesses, because

6:24

Diane had no friends of her own at that time.

6:26

She said that she got married and whatever

6:29

the date was right, But the reality

6:31

is that, you know, she got married because my

6:34

dad went over to their house where they were out of the apartment,

6:37

and said, you will marry my daughter.

6:40

We were Baptist house, you know what I mean. It's

6:42

like you didn't want things to to be

6:44

bad or look bad, and so you know you will

6:46

marry my daughter. Well it happened fast because

6:48

my dad was there, you know, and it's like I'm gonna

6:50

use the term it was a shotgun wedding, you know what

6:52

I mean. Steve didn't want problems with my dad.

6:55

My dad was really he

6:58

didn't physically scarcy that he intimidated

7:01

him. There is a theory in domestic

7:03

violence cases known as the cycle of abuse,

7:06

which often begins with rising tension

7:08

and the need to play kate the abuser. According

7:10

to Diane, Steve began this cycle early

7:13

into his and Diane's relationship. Steve

7:15

controlled everyone she talked to, and

7:17

he didn't let her talk to anyone she was

7:19

working. Then when they married,

7:22

she was talking to other guys at lunchtime,

7:24

and so he made her quit. He didn't permit

7:27

a phone in her apartment. The grocery store

7:29

was a three minute walk from

7:31

where they lived at one hundred West Ray Road,

7:34

but she wasn't even permitted to go shopping

7:36

without him. My sister was barely

7:38

eighteen and in her own mind

7:40

going on twelve, and had never given

7:42

her new husband. Caused suspect urban

7:45

fidelity, but he was just sick

7:47

with suspicion and jealousy.

7:50

Soon after they married, Steve was openly

7:52

unfaithful to Diane. Two weeks

7:54

after their marriage, Steve came home from work

7:56

at the Entire Company where he worked in Mesa

7:59

and announced was going out with Janet the receptionists.

8:02

Diane was a bit confused by that they

8:05

were married after all. Steve

8:07

blew up and he said, hey, I promised

8:09

Janet they'd go out. The marriage

8:11

vows came so quickly he forgot to call

8:14

off their date. He said Diane

8:16

just needed to iron his shirt and not make things

8:18

harder for him. One month

8:20

later, Steve went out with his buddies for New

8:22

Year. Diane was told to wait at home until

8:26

she got tired of waiting, and she

8:28

walked to his friend's house. She did

8:30

what she was told, but Steve wasn't there.

8:33

Then they told Diane she'd have to wait in

8:35

the line behind Debbie, so Steve

8:37

was at the party with other women.

8:40

Diane was pregnant with Christie, her oldest

8:42

daughter, and allegedly Steve saw

8:44

this as an inconvenience and didn't want

8:46

to deal with her. Two months later, Diane

8:48

got pregnant. She had morning sickness

8:51

like most women do, but instead

8:53

of Steves hanging around and supporting her, Steve

8:56

took her to his parents home and Gilbert

8:58

because he wasn't ready to live with a sick wife.

9:00

While Diane was at his parents house, Steve

9:03

moved in with Jackie. When Jackie's

9:05

husband, Dale returned from California,

9:07

Steve ortru Dale from exile. These

9:10

are just a little parts about the infidelity,

9:12

So then we start talking about the abuse

9:16

man. According

9:22

to Diane, Steve wasn't only controlling

9:24

and unfaithful, but his abuse crossed

9:26

the threshold into physical. In

9:29

the meantime, Diane had a second child,

9:31

Danny, and another daughter, Cherylo.

9:35

Diane was talking on the phone. Steve came

9:37

home. I heard talking on the phone. He thought

9:39

she was talking to a man on the phone, so he

9:41

picked up the phone and slammed it down. They argued,

9:43

and he slapped and punched her, and

9:46

the phone rang, and Diane obviously

9:48

answered it, and it was actually Holly on the phone

9:51

saying that Karen was afraid Steve was hitting

9:53

her. Diane looked at Steve and said to Holly,

9:55

yes he is. He's still here. So

9:58

he grabbed the phone and he hit Diane

10:00

with it. She rests the phone from Hue, hung

10:02

it up and engaged him.

10:05

Diana and Steve were divorced at this point,

10:07

but he still lived with her and the kids. Eventually,

10:10

the abuse reached a breaking point and she

10:12

started to fight back. A judge

10:14

issued a restraining order, but Steve didn't

10:17

stay away. In the meantime,

10:19

Diane had bought a gun in an effort to protect

10:21

herself, and then one day Steve

10:23

had her cornered in a bathroom when

10:25

he was kicking the door open. She fired

10:28

a warning shot into the floor. The

10:30

next week, he moved his furniture out

10:32

of her home as the stealthies he moved in. That

10:35

was September four. In

10:38

October of that year, Diane's four month

10:40

old mobile home burned down, and

10:42

she sent her kids to live with Steve so they wouldn't

10:45

be homeless. She eventually found

10:47

another place to live, but Steve would not

10:49

allow her to have the children back. During

10:51

this time, Diane saw affection from

10:53

other men. Yeah she was seeing

10:55

Nick that time. Nick is

10:58

Robert Knickerbocker, a married man

11:00

who supposedly didn't like children, the

11:02

fact that some belief may have later played into

11:04

Diane's motivation for the shooting. Married

11:07

men showed her the most affection because

11:10

married men were safe to her, Because

11:13

married men didn't want

11:15

to leave their wives. They just wanted

11:18

some affection, and really that's all Diane

11:20

ever really wanted. She was still that

11:22

twelve year old little girl striving

11:25

for that affection, and she went out

11:27

and she got that affection from married

11:29

men. Diane's

11:43

attention from other men is what led to

11:45

her earlier divorce from Steve. Despite

11:48

his own unfaithfulness, he believed she'd actually

11:50

become pregnant with Danny due to an affair.

11:52

He ended their marriage believing the pregnancy

11:55

shouldn't have been possible due to vasectomy.

11:58

Diane, it seemed, enjoyed being pregnant.

12:00

She had a fourth child before Becky, but

12:03

this time as a surrogate. So

12:05

yeah, it was just basically she went

12:07

through the surgacy program, delivered to baby,

12:09

gave it to a family. She got ten thousand

12:12

dollars for that, and that helped

12:14

her in her life right. When

12:17

Diane became pregnant with Becky, James

12:19

dismissed it as if it were almost like another

12:21

surrogacy. And I wasn't going to have

12:23

another niece and nephew. I was

12:25

basically having another surrogate child.

12:28

I wasn't attached to it. I wasn't bonded

12:31

with it. I wasn't any of that. After

12:36

Diane's trial and Becky's birth, James

12:39

didn't give the baby much thought. Yeah,

12:41

they took her away and I knew that she existed,

12:44

but I didn't know anything about her. And

12:46

that was that out of sight, out

12:48

of mind. And then one

12:50

day Becky appeared on James.

12:54

First impression was not a great one. What

12:56

did you think when you first saw her on a news

12:58

program? Honest and her I didn't understand

13:02

why she was making a fuss out of something

13:04

if she had two perfectly wonderful, loving

13:07

parents. I don't remember what exactly

13:09

said. She basically said that she's

13:11

going to make sure that Diane doesn't gain parole.

13:14

I didn't like her at

13:16

all. James had made an

13:18

earlier attempt to contact Becky

13:20

and tried to convert her to his version of the

13:22

truth. I resaw to her on social

13:24

media and we talked, and

13:26

I tried talking to her about

13:29

what I know is truth, and

13:32

the story that she knows is the

13:35

public story, the Ann Rules story.

13:37

She really wasn't willing to listen.

13:39

Did that frustrate you? It's always

13:41

frustrating every single time

13:44

watching James grew

13:46

increasingly frustrated with Anne, rule

13:49

author of the book Becky first discovered

13:51

in the bookstore as an eleven year old. He

13:53

believed that she had many things about Diane's

13:55

story and the crime wrong, and that Becky's

13:58

view of her biological mother's guilt had been

14:00

colored by that book. He also doesn't

14:02

believe that Anne knew the identity of Becky's

14:04

father, despite her claims. So

14:08

people that are adopted, some

14:10

of them have a desire to find out

14:12

who they come from, whether it's been

14:15

Diane the murder or Diane

14:17

the victim. She still knows that

14:20

she comes from Diane, and she doesn't

14:22

know who her father is um

14:24

and unfortunately there's only two

14:26

people that do. The author didn't

14:28

know who the father was because she

14:31

wasn't there during conception and

14:34

has never been told by my sister,

14:36

who the person asked. The only people

14:38

that know are the mother and the father of

14:41

Becky. There was some guy in

14:43

her round, you

14:45

know what I mean. It wasn't even a co work. It was just some guy

14:47

in her route, you know, I mean, I

14:51

I don't. I don't

14:54

have any idea who it is. He knows

14:57

or maybe he doesn't. I would imagine.

14:59

So I don't know. Yeah, Diane's

15:01

never told him, So maybe he doesn't, you

15:04

know, because I mean it's like, you know, she had a

15:06

reputation of sleeping around you know

15:08

what I mean, she didn't, but

15:10

that was her reputation. So I mean, as

15:13

a guy, if you are just you

15:15

know, sleeping with somebody just once or

15:18

twice, and you know, it's like you're not really concerned

15:20

whether that person gets pregnant or not until they

15:22

come knock on your door. And

15:24

so no, he may not know. He

15:27

may not know. Despite

15:32

the fact that James and Becky didn't see eye

15:34

to eye and his earlier attempts to contact

15:36

her, he wants another chance to explain,

15:39

which may be his primary reason for

15:41

his willingness to meet with her again ten

15:43

years ago on the social media and

15:46

then VFO and then she didn't

15:48

really want anything to do with the truth, as

15:51

we've stayed earlier. You know, it's like talking about

15:53

some of the letters that Diane wrote her after being

15:55

in solitary. You need

15:57

to believe that she's psycho.

16:00

You need to believe that she's a deviant

16:02

sociopath or whatever those words are

16:04

that they're throwing out there, but

16:07

she wasn't willing to listen. As my

16:09

whole point, I talked to her, then she did not

16:11

listen, and I'm hoping

16:13

today she listens. And I'm always

16:15

willing to talk to anybody who's willing to listen,

16:18

because the truth needs to

16:20

be out there. While I spoke

16:22

to James, Becky was waiting in the studio

16:24

to speak with him before bringing

16:26

her in, I spoke to her alone for a

16:28

few minutes to gauge her feelings on the situation

16:31

and brief her on what to expect. I've

16:33

been talking to James here, asking

16:35

him about his feelings today about meeting

16:38

you, finding out his intentions

16:40

when we first got in the studio.

16:43

Is quite overwhelmed because there's so much

16:45

he wanted to share. And then, um,

16:48

what I found interesting though, is that he

16:50

really really cared about today

16:53

and wanted to come

16:56

today with something sort of

16:58

as an offering of

17:01

information that he could provide. First

17:03

of all, he has a letter from Diane

17:07

and it's written to Amy

17:10

to you, and it's going to talk about

17:13

her time being pregnant with you.

17:16

Yeah. One thing that I am

17:19

concerned about is Diane still denies that

17:21

I'm her biological daughter um,

17:24

and so this letter is written to Amy,

17:26

who will I guess I don't identify with

17:29

because she doesn't claim to be

17:31

my biological mother, so there's been like

17:33

a disconnect there. I'm

17:35

not sure how to respond when James

17:38

reads that letter, because my initial like

17:40

knee jerk reaction would be uncomfortable

17:44

and upset. The truth

17:46

is is that, regardless of

17:48

the name Amy or Rebecca,

17:51

you were that baby. It

17:53

doesn't feel like that, you know. It

17:56

feels like almost a separate person

17:58

completely, especially because she doesn't

18:00

believe that it's me. She

18:03

may not believe it's you, but

18:06

your physical being had

18:08

that experience as a newborn,

18:10

as a child, as a baby girl

18:12

coming into this world, and

18:16

regardless of name, it

18:18

was your experience. I

18:21

wrote her back in two thousand and six

18:23

when I put my son up for adoption, wanting

18:25

to connect with her. It feels like this

18:27

letter that you guys have been talking about is

18:30

almost going to be that connection that I needed

18:32

back then, and after

18:34

we had such a meltdown with her in

18:37

the last letter where she was very cruel,

18:40

I don't want that connection with her, So I'm

18:42

nervous about hearing this letter

18:44

and I don't know how I'll feel if

18:47

I'm being completely transparent and honest, I'm

18:51

almost scared that I want

18:53

to have that connection, Like there's

18:55

that conflict of being the adopted child

18:58

that you want that connection with your biological

19:01

parents. But it's

19:03

it's a battle in my heart in my head

19:05

because I don't want to be connected to her. M

19:20

alright, So how are we gonna do this? Because

19:24

he's gonna want to say hi? Then when when he walks through the

19:26

door, it's fine where she's bringing

19:28

it right now? The recording. Yeah,

19:33

I'm ready, James.

19:39

This is Becky h

19:43

come to see you. Yeah, how's your chick?

19:45

That was good? Yeah, that's good. Yeah,

19:49

how are you getting

19:51

through it?

19:53

It's a little different, like we were mentioning,

19:56

is the first time I've actually mets

19:59

anybody from the bi family, so

20:01

it's it's different. So

20:04

this is all different. After some setup

20:06

and light chit chat to get right into it,

20:09

James immediately begins to read the letter he

20:11

received from Diane. Says I was

20:13

four and a half months pregnant when I was arrested. Amy

20:17

and I were locked in a jail cell alone

20:19

for nearly four months before she was born.

20:21

She gave me the strength to keep calm during

20:23

the trial. Every day I

20:26

tell her that she was going to be okay.

20:28

I pat her bottom and rubb her back and

20:31

camber. I

20:33

didn't let myself get consumed with worry for

20:35

her sake. Then, when we returned

20:37

to our jail cell after my first day on the witness

20:39

stand, there was a court order

20:41

waiting in our concrete slab bed

20:45

the state, it seems, custody of Amy

20:47

even before she was born. The

20:49

trial wasn't even over yet, and

20:51

the state was taking her. I was

20:54

physically ill, but couldn't dwell

20:56

on it because I didn't want Amy to feel

20:58

my pain. It was a different story after

21:00

she was gone. I cried and

21:02

cried. It felt like I lost a

21:04

friend as much as a child. That's

21:06

a loss from which I'll never recovered.

21:09

That's what my sister said about you. Wow,

21:13

so and

21:16

realized that she felt that way. There's

21:18

been pictures painted of my sister's

21:21

being callous person,

21:24

not a good mother. That's the way she felt about

21:26

all of her kids. That's not the way she felt

21:28

about the surrogate child. You're not

21:30

a surrogate child. I struggle

21:33

with her connection with me because

21:35

of the fact that she

21:37

got pregnant with me on purpose, because she

21:39

knew she could, and she wanted to replace

21:42

Cheryl, and she knew

21:44

that she would get sympathy from the courts. And

21:47

and those are a rules words, those

21:49

are writers words. Those aren't true. Okay,

21:53

isn't it. I saw something about

21:55

it. I've never read an rules book. There

21:57

was one of her recordings or something that I thought.

22:01

I don't know. Anyways, I never knew she felt

22:03

that way. James shifts almost

22:05

immediately into defensive mode with regards

22:07

to Diane. There's a bit of tension

22:09

between James and Becky, and James

22:11

is eager to push through his agenda for meeting.

22:14

So when did she write that? About two

22:16

weeks ago? Well, I

22:18

asked her to share something with me because

22:21

she doesn't want. I

22:23

said, the world's needs to understand what you felt

22:26

like when you were having the baby. Teeth going. She

22:28

says she can't really talk about when the baby was

22:30

taken away because it's just crying.

22:33

You know, she cried and cried. What else is there to say?

22:36

She was induced, She didn't

22:38

have it natural, And they told the court

22:41

before she was convicted that

22:44

they're going to take the baby away. They told the Jerves

22:46

that already finding her guilty

22:49

before the Jersey was started deliberating. It

22:53

is really interesting, it's very

22:55

interesting, and and she did.

22:59

I don't think the word place it's

23:01

a good word to say, because you can never

23:03

replace you with

23:07

another baby. She can't replace

23:09

Cheryl with another baby. She

23:11

can't replace Christie with another baby.

23:14

You're her daughter, and

23:16

you were very much loved. The state

23:18

did not want you to be raised by her or

23:21

see the family, So you've forgiven to

23:23

another family. So I feel

23:27

a sort of a disconnect. I reached out to Diane

23:30

Um. I think it was in two thousand and six, and

23:32

her first couple of letters were, you know, oh

23:34

my gosh, I've always known where you were, and you'd

23:36

write me someday. They were excited and happy.

23:39

But now to this day, you know, she

23:41

denies that I'm her biological child.

23:45

Um between two right,

23:48

Yeah, crazy letters, we might say, right,

23:50

they're they're pretty intense, yeah, and threatening,

23:53

and you know, saying that there's been somebody watching

23:55

me my whole life and trying

23:57

to kill me, and and and scary stuff.

23:59

When they're where she did that, did you feel like you

24:01

are watching a movie and that she was threatening

24:04

you from in the jail, or

24:06

did you feel like she was being sincere?

24:09

She was truly worried for you, because

24:13

again, she didn't commit this crime,

24:15

right. Whoever did this to her is still out

24:17

there and if you are her child, in

24:19

her opinion, then you're in danger.

24:23

Things with James start to grow a bit tense.

24:25

There's not a single person, but I

24:28

know that is backing

24:30

me in doing this, because the media

24:33

has been very violent, very

24:35

vile, and the media is

24:38

one of the reasons why I

24:40

I don't want to use the report. Fearful to meet

24:42

too, but um, I wasn't looking forward to meeting

24:44

you. They go back and forth about the

24:46

details surrounding Diane's public behavior

24:49

at the time of the shooting and her seeming

24:51

lack of emotion when re enacting the scene.

24:54

Becky pokestoles in james argument for Diane's

24:56

innocence, which he repeatedly defends.

24:59

I can tell you that for many

25:01

years I've been very angry at

25:03

you, mainly because when I tried

25:05

to talk to you didn't want to talk to me. One

25:07

of the things that you said was the purpose of doing

25:09

what you're doing is so you can be sure that Diane

25:12

does not get parole, right.

25:15

I don't want to be a part of that. I don't want to be

25:17

a part of somebody that's trying to keep my sister

25:20

in prison, because how she acts

25:22

is just I've never

25:24

been shot, I've never had my child killed

25:27

in front of me, you know what I

25:29

mean. And I

25:32

just it's just, how are you

25:34

supposed to act? Well,

25:36

you're wrong because you don't

25:39

know you know what I mean. At

25:42

this point, the tension is palpable,

25:44

straight out in English language. I could

25:46

not, in any way, shape or form, be

25:49

a part of somebody's life that thought my sister

25:51

was guilty. I understand that. And

25:53

really my life is

25:56

now consumed with my sister, which

25:58

is why I'm sitting here, and what

26:00

I want. What I

26:03

believe is

26:06

that if you

26:08

looked at not actions and evidence,

26:10

that there isn't be no doubt that

26:13

she would believe that she's innocent. I understand

26:15

that you came here solely to

26:18

speak of her innocence and

26:21

not to meet me. I wanted

26:23

to reach out to you, to give you your voice,

26:25

um, and to get to know you so UM.

26:28

That just really hurts. I talked to your

26:30

dad for years. I don't want to be just some

26:32

person, and I understand that you're angry.

26:35

I would need too, But why are you here?

26:38

My sisters in prison and she doesn't

26:40

belong there, and I want you

26:42

to be her mouthpiece. I

26:44

want you to go out there and tell the world

26:47

and she didn't do this. It

26:52

becomes clear that James believes Diane when

26:55

she says that whoever she claims is the actual

26:57

shooter is still out there, a theory

26:59

he has also adopted. You

27:01

want me to be an advocate for her,

27:05

but that would require me to believe

27:07

she's innocent. That's right? And

27:11

why do I why? Why? Why? Why? Why wouldn't

27:13

even say that to you? If I didn't

27:15

believe that, If you stopped

27:17

and you looked at what happened here, and if you looked

27:19

at everything that I've gotten to show you, if

27:22

you if you really had an open mind, you weren't

27:24

thinking about how crazy she was. There

27:26

is no doubt in my mind that you would

27:28

be, and then you could use

27:31

your voice to help get her out. Is she

27:33

your mother, she's my biological

27:35

mother. I don't constantly

27:38

say mean things about her. I defend

27:41

her even when people you know, say horrible

27:43

things. I say, she was in solitary

27:45

for so long even a sane person would go

27:47

crazy. You know. It's those

27:50

letters that she wrote. She

27:53

also believed she was protecting you those letters

27:56

when she was saying to keep quiet with

27:58

talking because he still out there,

28:00

she was protecting him. That's part of her

28:03

theory about what happened to her. And

28:06

he believes that she's being watched,

28:09

so she believes that we're

28:11

all still in endangered. Do

28:13

you believe that if she was released

28:16

she could get help for her mental issues as

28:18

is? Do you think she would be safe?

28:21

I know she would be safe. It's a really strange

28:23

talk in her at times, because as

28:27

incoherent about the man watching

28:29

and things like that, she is so

28:32

incredibly coherent about If

28:34

she doesn't talk about that, she's

28:36

incredibly coherent, incredibly

28:39

normal. There was finally an

28:41

opening and Becky decides to ask what

28:43

she believes is the most important question

28:45

she has for James. Yeah, do you

28:47

know who my biological father is? Sorry?

28:51

Um, I do know that he was a guy on her impulster

28:53

about is all I know. There's only one

28:55

person that knows we were talking earlier,

28:57

and it's like the father may not even know he's

28:59

a file. And that's what I'm thinking. It's either

29:02

he's passed away, he doesn't

29:04

know, or he doesn't want to know. She didn't tell

29:06

him. She didn't him was pregnant.

29:08

James and Becky finally both have their respective

29:10

agendas for the conversation out in the

29:13

open. For James Diane's

29:15

innocence and for Becky her biological

29:17

father's identity. James

29:19

agrees to take a DNA test to help her

29:21

in her quest. I mean, I think that would be wonderful.

29:24

It might settle Diane a little bit

29:26

to know for real, it might

29:28

help me find my biological father. Oh,

29:33

it'll let you know your heritage. So

29:36

yeah, that's what they say. My

29:39

heart. I'm from Denmark about

29:41

two or three years ago. My dad probably

29:44

told you right, you know, yeah, from

29:46

Denmark, Denmark Royalty.

29:49

I don't feel complete. I

29:52

don't feel complete talking to you. I

29:54

want to I feel like

29:57

you've judged her because the house believe

30:01

that if you need to open, you're

30:06

you're looking for things. And

30:10

I'm not saying you're looking in the wrong area, because

30:12

nowhere you look is wrong, but

30:15

maybe you need to look at what was

30:17

done to her, what was done to

30:20

her so you couldn't be with

30:22

her. Even they stopped you from being

30:24

with her, she didn't stop it. They

30:27

stopped. James calms

30:29

a bit and sort of seems to regret being

30:31

so outwardly aggressive, but still can't

30:33

help pushing his agenda. I mean, I understand

30:36

that you have a lot of emotion, right, and

30:38

I'm sorry if I just your

30:40

emotion. I just need you

30:42

to really think about You

30:44

can send it to me an email. Why.

30:47

This is why I think Diane

30:49

did this. Okay,

30:51

all right, thank you guys. I think

30:54

that's um a rap for

30:56

today. That was a lot

30:58

for both of you. No apologies,

31:01

No, I really really do

31:03

care, right. I

31:05

don't want you to be sad. I don't want anybody to

31:07

be sad for any reason. Yeah, and

31:10

believe me when I said that, I

31:13

mean that with my heart. I believe

31:15

that you're going to beat your voice. I don't I

31:17

didn't see it envision underneath that. It's

31:20

just my heart blazed though. So

31:24

we can definitely talk more. We'll

31:26

follow up on this. It's

31:32

hard to say if Becky got what she wanted from the

31:34

interaction with James. It's the first

31:36

member of the Frederickson's side of the family who's

31:38

agreed to meet with her and have a real

31:40

conversation about Diane, so

31:42

in many ways, it's as close as Becky has

31:45

ever been to the maternal side of her family

31:47

line. Despite the tension

31:49

between them, James agreed to give Becky

31:51

a key piece of the puzzle to help confirm

31:53

her genetic identity his d

31:55

n A. With this, Becky will

31:57

hopefully finally be able to confirms

32:00

and for all that she's in fact the biological

32:02

daughter of Diane Downs. On

32:09

the next episode of Happy Face Presents

32:12

to Face, we unpack the details

32:14

of exactly what happened on that faithful

32:16

night in May of nine when

32:18

Diane Downs and her three children arrived

32:21

at that Springfield, Oregon hospital, all

32:23

with gunshot wounds.