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Women rights activists, community workers, and a
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veteran politician, among the few outstanding women
2:13
who served in the
2:15
legislative council. Women's
2:30
lives are amazing life, my
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father and his siblings are
2:34
good people, cause
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she raised them right. Her
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dad sent her to school at a time when most girls didn't get to go, and
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that's what inspired her dedication to
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women's empowerment and
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education. You
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know, time's kind of running out with that generation,
3:00
so I do want to also motivate people
3:03
to talk out about that. I
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thought it's encouraging me to be a child, but it's
3:07
encouraging me to chat to the elders and
3:14
be like, alright cool, what was your
3:17
perspective on that? Get to the bottom
3:19
of, you know, what happened
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and what was life like? In
3:27
1966, Dutta's father was
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killed when Ugandan independence descended into
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mayhem, and even though
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she never got to ask the killers where to
3:37
find his buddy, Jutta forgave them. Like her
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father, she had a love for the kingdom,
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but after his murder, she ran for cover in England. Why
3:47
did I go to France? Because the
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cover went into his there in the break.
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My little husband also went with
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him to London. tell
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these stories because the passing of
4:02
a grandparent is the end of an era and
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that whole generations central endeavor
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was secure in independence. Remember?
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We've been looking at African and
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Caribbean independence struggles so
4:28
far this chapter. And
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if you notice in all these
4:33
struggles international solidarity has been the
4:35
largest factor. Because
4:38
history shows when one country
4:40
can take advantage of another there's
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a chance they'll act up. While
4:48
most of those young democracies were black and brown
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they wanted a colleague and they
4:53
weren't breaking down. They were
4:55
so free of their lives. On
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third round they showed that our thinking was
5:00
just a little bit better. But
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the dynamic between a former colony and
5:07
its former colonizer can be hard to
5:10
capture. Take
5:13
Jamaica and Britain in the late
5:16
70s for example under
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Michael Manley and Margaret Furture. She
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became British Prime Minister just
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as his time as Prime Minister finished. Up
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to that point Manley's whole career was
5:32
based on mobilizing his global peers to
5:35
address the question where do we go
5:37
from here? To
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the man's credit he tried his
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best to push a new fresh politics
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through. The
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easiest thing would have been to go along with
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whatever the West wanted to do.
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But Manley was operating under the assumption that
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Jamaica would decide how his own life economy
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would function. Soon
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enough he would find out it was
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damn near impossible to function without Washington
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and London. See
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by this point America had the biggest slice
6:13
of the global campaign. And
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it wanted to run the world of Britain
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run its empire according
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to Professor Radhika Desai. The
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US knew that he was never going
6:26
to be able to acquire an empire
6:28
as a size as Britain had. But
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it would essentially fail to make
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the dollar the world's paralysing. The
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problem with this was of course that the
6:38
sterling system relied on empire. If
6:40
you don't have empire you're going to have
6:42
to engage in some pretty shady
6:44
shenanigans in order to make the dollar the
6:47
world's money. Let's
6:52
go back to 1945. The
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Allied forces had won the war. A
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new world order was underscored when
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the International Monetary Fund was formed. The
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World Bank and the IMF came out of this
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settlement after the Second World War. This
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is Grieve Chewa, a Zambian
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researcher. The idea was essentially to say
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we are always going to have crisis
7:16
of one form or the other. And
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as brothers and sisters we need to
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look out for each other. So we're
7:22
going to establish two organizations. The World
7:24
Bank to finance long term development and
7:26
then the IMF to sort out short
7:28
term financial crisis. Now
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the sad thing is that this
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great idea on paper became captured
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by the US and Western Europe.
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The IMF is a big part of
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money funded by the
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United Nations members. Because
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it's dominated by America people
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perceive underlying United States agendas.
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See when you borrow from the IMF you
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got to run your economy how they tell you. The
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idea is you don't know what you're
8:03
doing so Western X-mas are going to help you
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through. No surprise that the
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IMF is at port of the Washington DC
8:10
that managing the act of the IMF is
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effective to take by Europeans. Usually
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this involves them recommending public
8:17
service cuts to end reckless
8:19
spending. And
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they recommend that you accept the entry and
8:24
exit of money in and out of your
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country. Even if
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it raises the prices of your property or
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destabilizes your economy. Basically
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the IMF recommendations don't
8:39
reduce poverty but they allow
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wealth to preserve its place.
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And Jamaica serves as a perfect case. In
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1977 a
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minister had been respected and the ministry
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of the war was fair. And
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the war was supposed to solve its problem. The
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IMF knew me. The
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whole idea was to set conditions which the
9:07
government could not meet. When
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the government failed to meet them you would have to
9:11
really go ahead and knew the one in which the
9:13
conditions became tighter. The
9:18
The The The
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The Remember
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last episode when we
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looked at Jamaica's contribution to Britain's rise
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through different times. Remember
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how we saw the transition between
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two economic systems. From
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a cantaloum where the
9:41
wealth created in a colony was taxed
9:44
and controlled by the monarchy to
9:47
capitalism where colonizers
9:50
basically controlled their own economy. So
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Britain went through all those changes but you know what
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stayed the same. The
9:58
fact that Throughout this
10:01
whole period, African labor
10:03
was used to enrich the West,
10:05
which progressed. Meanwhile,
10:07
the people of Africa ended
10:10
up poor and dispossessed.
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Europeans used to talk about this honestly, until
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abolition changed the policy. See,
10:30
when slavery was seen as a monstrosity,
10:32
no one wanted to be associated with
10:34
it, obviously. So
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they spent at least a century
10:38
trying to suppress the role
10:40
of slavery in the rise of the West.
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They framed the rise of capitalism like it
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was separate, like
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it was all the product of sacrifices and
10:50
effort. So
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someone like Margaret Thatcher wasn't
10:59
raised to be ashamed of Britain's rise to the
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top. She
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was told Britain was great because Britain was winning,
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and if it was winning, why would it stop?
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See, people like Thatcher believed the
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West must leave the rest, because
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the West was wealthiest, so
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it must be the best. I
11:39
created the wealth. It
11:41
is a political system which will
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deal with this poverty. The
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political system is
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not the secret to the West's success. Oh
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no. Let's
12:01
look back on the Western Track record
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to assess events addressed in Chapter 4. As
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we can certainly see from Episode 33, Franklphone
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Part 1, since the
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1400s, Westerners have changed
12:16
the trade relations in regions that
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were far-flung. Now
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European demand for African slaves
12:25
was another obstacle to enter
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African trade, and
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ecosystems of diplomacy and cooperation
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descended into clashes and raids. What
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did we learn from Episode 29, Drama
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in Ghana Part 1? Ghana's
12:48
were Westerners came for slaves,
12:50
where European competitors came in
12:52
waves. A small number
12:54
of settlers engaged in trade and named
12:56
the place the Gold Coast. The
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history of slavery and resource extraction
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hangs over the coast like an
13:03
old ghost. When
13:14
Nkrumah was born, Ghana was called the
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Gold Coast, one of those
13:18
spots where Europeans used to load gold
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full of gold and human beings, locals
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sold those until the
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Europeans put all of them in a
13:27
chokehold. Can
13:35
you see it? The pattern
13:37
across the origin stories of the countries we've
13:40
looked at in Chapter 4? It
13:43
saw slavery and resource extraction. Maybe
13:46
the West's success is less complex than
13:49
Margaret Thatcher thought. Maybe
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the secrets of Western successes, the
13:55
fact they've extracted the best from the
13:57
rest, the best resources,
13:59
the best human beings nothing
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but the best for the West Europeans
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combined that with fighting for trade
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routes and combined that with some
14:10
scientific breakthroughs combined
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with pouring more and more
14:14
energies into colonization over four
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centuries that's
14:19
a lot of money that's
14:22
a lot of money last
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episode we saw how Michael Manley
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tried to give Jamaica social
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democracy how
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he reimagined the global south to
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redefine his place in the global
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economy after
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Kwame Nkrumah a decade before
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along with Julius Nerire of
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Tanzania Michael Manley became a
14:57
major voice defending the right of poor
14:59
countries to make a choice to
15:02
choose how to govern themselves take
15:05
care of their people and recover their
15:07
wealth these
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leaders reasoned that poor countries outnumbered
15:14
rich ones in the United Nations
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and if they didn't use this to their
15:20
advantage their people would
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face continued violations they
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noticed the West developing welfare reason investing
15:27
in social housing and healthcare systems
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and they wanted this change to extend across
15:33
the water a
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new international economic order
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these ideas were all well and good as
15:48
long as rich countries signed on wish
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they never would instead
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they took advantage of a global
15:55
recession to make it clear we ain't
15:58
taking normal suggestions Poor
16:00
countries were facing rising deaths. They
16:02
needed cash as a matter of
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life and death. They
16:07
kicked off the cycle of the
16:09
West weaponizing debt through
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the IMF. What
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you really needed is to sit down
16:17
with them and say look, can I
16:19
work out a five-year problem? And
16:21
in the meantime, I am strapped for some cash.
16:23
So can you help me up front get out
16:25
of the cash mind and then put it in
16:27
the context of a long term development plan? No,
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I mean sir, no. Long
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term development is you are broken. We
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lend you some money in a very short
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time frame at full
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interest rate and
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they then impose upon you tremendous
16:53
restrictions.
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So
16:58
the IMF didn't say cut out this education
17:01
problem or cut out this health problem. What
17:04
the IMF said is you must spend only
17:06
so much money on health and education. And
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the implication of that was that
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you had to cut out some problems. What
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you really needed is to
17:26
spend only so much money on health
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and education. So you must spend only
17:31
so much money on health and education. Well,
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go ahead. But that's
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my truth. My answer
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is across business, but one of them cannot with area. What
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if maybe the bitch could come from a block? What
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if it's not to me? I mean, it's been economic.
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What if me was the type of person who's a bitch
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who's a bird? I'm a friend with cousin Barnes, a
17:49
star from the ring, but what if he did I
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brought first? In
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2015, Jamaican artist, Bizzy Signal
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released the song, What If? and
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on it, he imagines his own career
18:09
and the world around him looking a lot different.
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The song's got its usual rapid flows and
18:26
clever words but one line
18:28
always stood out from the second verse What
18:38
if Jamaica never owed the IMF tax?
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That's a good question. 50
18:47
years on from Jamaica's first IMF loan,
18:51
inequality across the island is grown. The
18:55
rich have gotten richer while the poor have
18:57
gone poorer yet Jamaica is
18:59
celebrated as a top performer. That's
19:03
because the West rewards system doesn't
19:06
applaud developing countries for offering their people
19:08
the best support system. According
19:13
to Jamaican professor, Ronaldo McKenzie,
19:16
from 1973, the
19:18
start of Mani's government, all
19:21
the way up to 2007, Jamaica's
19:23
real GDP grew by less than
19:25
1%. Let's
19:29
look at how the government funds were spent. In
19:36
the 2009-2010 budget, debt repayment took up 56% while
19:42
salaries for civil servants was
19:45
22.5%. Leaving
19:49
less than a quarter of
19:51
the budget for infrastructure, security
19:54
and everything else. Education
19:58
got 12.6% and
20:01
health got 5.3. Boy
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in the first seven years of my life Jamaica's
20:08
currency lost 72% of
20:10
its value. Unemployment
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declined from 15% in 1990 to
20:18
10.6% in 2008 but a lot
20:21
of that's down to the growth of the informal
20:24
sector which is insecure
20:26
sometimes undocumented work. 28% in
20:30
1990, 43% in 2001.
20:36
Meanwhile middle-class income
20:39
has declined due to
20:41
inflation and that dead growth rate that
20:43
I just mentioned. Add
20:46
this to the islands reliance
20:48
on imports especially oil, food,
20:51
consumer goods and
20:53
you get an economy vulnerable
20:56
to outside shocks like
21:00
the fall in global demand of aluminium
21:03
leading to a 70% decline in
21:05
bauxite revenue in just one
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year. Or
21:10
the 2008 financial crash which
21:12
saw payments from overseas Jamaicans which
21:14
had been rising every year for
21:16
a decade drop by
21:20
two hundred and thirty million dollars
21:24
with almost 15,000 drop losses
21:26
in just eight months. We
21:30
ain't even mentioned the natural disasters which
21:33
cost the country 1 billion in damages
21:36
for our 2005. We
21:40
ain't even mentioned the Covid pandemic. Well
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at the time when Michael Manley accepted a 1977 loan The
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country really needed it. I
22:03
don't want to downplay how poorly he'd handled
22:05
the economy. There wasn't even enough money to
22:07
pay the government staff. But
22:12
I will say, that
22:14
was his right as Jamaica's leader.
22:17
Every government has the right to make
22:20
mistakes in pursuit of a better life
22:22
for its people. But
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the cost of failure shouldn't be the loss of
22:27
sovereignty. I
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don't know. Was
22:33
man's attempt at socialism a
22:35
noble ambition or just
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economic suicide? I'll
22:40
let you decide. I'm
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not going to do that. I'm going
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to do that. I'm going
23:04
to do that. I'm
23:06
going to do that. In
23:22
the 1970s, my grandma
23:24
and grandpa returned to Uganda.
23:29
Yeah, there was danger but they were going
23:31
there regardless. Because
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you know, home
23:35
is where the heart is. But
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the stress of exile took a toll on my
23:42
grandpa. And
23:45
he got cancer. Uganda
23:51
had been independent for a decade but
23:53
he couldn't access adequate care.
23:58
The best vicinity was over. so
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his only option was travelling there. Back
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then under Idi Amin's government, my
24:09
grandfather needed permission to fly, so
24:12
my grandma went to the relevant
24:14
person and got a malicious reply.
24:19
Permission Denied. The
24:26
guy didn't like my grandad's politics to the
24:29
point he didn't care if he lived
24:31
or he died. And
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in 1976, he died. My
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grandma soldiered through the next 10 years,
24:44
raising kids and pressing on with her career.
24:49
In 1986 there was a change of
24:51
regime and judge became minister
24:53
for women's affairs. She
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lived a long life of service. Teaching
25:12
had led her to a higher purpose. Despite
25:16
all the suffering she never lost
25:18
hope, if anything her struggle only
25:20
broadened in scope. She
25:23
became an advocate for progress, never
25:26
a voice of anger. The
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one, the only, joysome
25:33
panga. We
25:40
need people like my grandma to remind us.
25:43
The injustices we face don't
25:46
define us. Yeah,
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give us a second. Yeah, yeah, alright. Produced
26:03
by me and my guy, Ben Brick. With
26:06
an original score composed entirely
26:09
by Ben Brick and
26:11
recorded by the BBC Kwanzaa Orchestra.
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