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Twenty four on Tuesday's Brady Gillum went to

2:22

Sturgis tonight to speak with the missing

2:24

woman's mother about what may have

2:26

happened to her daughter.

2:29

I can tell you who's most

2:30

likely is. I

2:33

hadn't seen anybody that I felt comfortable

2:35

saying anything too. Until

2:37

today. The stories

2:39

they tell are pretty 34. They're pretty freaking

2:42

groovesome. I

2:44

kept all the text messages, Facebook

2:46

messages, system messages between

2:48

me and Britney. I have all of them. I

2:52

have everything.

2:54

I told myself kill all my 34, and

2:57

I was gonna have my people fucking

2:59

take care of it. I'll

3:01

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3:03

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3:05

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3:07

some money, but because eventually everything

3:10

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3:12

me, some of

3:13

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3:15

she does love. This

3:18

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3:21

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3:33

Hey,

3:38

guys.

3:41

Let's

3:41

do a short recap of last week's episode before

3:43

we move on.

3:47

Last week, I spoke to Ashley via her friend

3:49

who was in the same room as her. Ashley

3:52

sent me a screenshot of a comment made

3:54

by a woman named Shasta. Shasta

3:57

is someone that worked closely with Ashley for a period

3:59

of time. The screenshot

4:02

showed Shasta making a comment that read

4:04

as if she had had the receipt at one time

4:06

and turned it over to law enforcement. When

4:10

I asked Ashley 34 she shared the screenshot

4:13

with me because Shasta had the receipt, she

4:15

tells me to go ask Shasta So

4:18

I do. I

4:22

made contact with her and asked her directly about

4:24

the comments she made on Facebook regarding the receipt.

4:28

Shasta says she never had the

4:30

receipt, but instead had a photo

4:32

of the receipt that she turned over to law

4:35

enforcement via a text message a detective

4:37

sent her while speaking to him. I

4:40

share my frustration with Ashley's friend and ask

4:42

him, why she would send me to speak with Shasta

4:45

knowing that she never had the physical

4:47

receipt. His

4:49

response was just, that's Ashley being

4:51

Ashley.

4:53

She doesn't like you. Good

4:56

to know.

4:59

Anyway, as the story

5:01

of the receipt continued to unfold, Ashley

5:03

switches things up and Well,

5:06

the blame game continues. The

5:09

story then turns from Shasta having the receipt

5:12

to JJ having the receipt. Regardless

5:15

of how Ashley obtained Brittany's gas receipt.

5:17

It's curious to me that she sent me to Shasta

5:20

with the insinuation that she had had the receipt

5:22

in her possession. The

5:25

only conclusion I could really come to about why

5:27

she'd do this is that this

5:29

is a game to her. Not

5:32

having the answers is one thing. Then

5:35

say you don't know, but

5:37

making things up. And raising the

5:39

hopes of Britney's family and friends

5:42

It's just flat out cruel. This

5:45

isn't a joke or a game.

5:48

The only one laughing here is

5:51

you, Ashley.

5:54

In a follow-up conversation with Ashley's

5:56

friend, he relays to me the story

5:58

of the receipt. As it was told to

6:00

him by Ashley. The

6:03

story he tells begins with JJ stealing

6:05

Ashley's vehicle. She's

6:07

able to find out that her vehicle is located

6:09

at a homeware j j estate. Ashley

6:13

goes to retrieve her vehicle, and says

6:15

that while JJ was in possession of it,

6:17

he cleaned it

6:18

out, putting the trash in bags.

6:22

When

6:22

Ashley arrives, She tells JJ

6:25

that she wants those bags.

6:27

She says, at this point, he goes inside

6:30

the house and brings them back to her.

6:34

She takes the bags and adds that JJ

6:36

must have disposed of household trash in the

6:38

same bags because she sees coffee

6:40

grounds mixed in with the trash. I

6:45

guess JJ was one of those courteous type

6:47

of card

6:48

thieves, or

6:50

was he?

6:53

While speaking to Ashley's friend, I

6:55

mentioned that in my previous conversation with

6:57

him and Ashley just twenty four hours

6:59

prior, The story that was

7:01

relayed to me at that time included

7:03

Eric having the

7:04

receipt, quite different

7:06

than the version I've just been told.

7:10

As our conversation continues, Ashley's

7:13

friend tells me that over the prior year,

7:16

she's told him she emailed law enforcement

7:18

twice. Once regarding a

7:20

relationship Britney had and once

7:22

regarding another theory Ashley had.

7:26

I can't help but notice that there was no mention

7:28

of her claims that Eric s was in Britney's

7:31

phone account years ago. No

7:33

mention of the receipt. One

7:35

would think that this type of information would

7:38

take precedence over nearly everything else.

7:42

As our conversation moves on, Ashley's

7:45

friend tells me that she previously told

7:47

him that she knew Eric s

7:49

had nothing to do with Britney's disappearance. But

7:53

he says recently, she

7:55

discovered information to the contrary. According

8:00

to the information Ashley shared with him,

8:03

Eric s always has

8:05

his location off. Except

8:09

for the very early morning, of December

8:11

first twenty eighteen. When

8:14

Ashley now says, she

8:17

recently saw that his location service

8:19

was turned on around one thirty AM,

8:22

as he was walking to her house from his

8:24

parents home. Hey,

8:28

Eric. Check your inbox.

8:33

Over the past few weeks, we were

8:35

able to obtain a conversation that took place

8:37

between Gianna, also known as

8:39

Jira, and Ashley. Ashley

8:42

shares with the Gianna how she came to have possession

8:44

of the receipt. And

8:47

know this will surprise you all. But

8:49

this version is much different

8:52

than the previous version.

9:03

I'm still trying to find a date for that picture.

9:07

The

9:08

only thing I know for certain is that it

9:10

was in February twenty nineteen. That's

9:13

when I met 34. That's when

9:15

JJ stole my 34, and 34

9:17

is the one that got it found. Guffy,

9:19

Shelby, and Larry all went to get my Ford

9:22

once it was located. That's

9:24

when Larry called me to tell me the key no

9:26

longer worked. I told him just

9:28

to empty it then, bring back all my things

9:30

and I would call the car lot in the morning.

9:32

So he says, okay, but then calls me

9:34

back and tells me it's empty, other

9:36

than two bags of garbage. I

9:39

thought that was weird as hell to do,

9:41

so fuck it. Bring them to me.

9:44

I found a small woman's bra like

9:46

thirty two a or some shit, a

9:48

purse with a school ID in it and one

9:50

or two things of the girl's dad's credit

9:52

cards, prepaid and empty, I'm

9:54

sure, or it wouldn't still be in there. A

9:57

business card with cash report or incident

9:59

report number for someone with the last name

10:01

at Tesla. Newport one

10:03

hundred menthol packs and butts, Those

10:06

are j j cigarettes of choice. A

10:08

couple spent C02 cartridges. He

10:11

carjack people with ABB

10:12

gun. How

10:14

did he take your car originally? And

10:16

when? I'm trying to recall

10:18

what else, but this one's a

10:20

hard memory to recall entirely. Two

10:22

bags of garbage I 34 through three

10:24

years ago. Okay. Originally

10:27

because I let him but not the day he

10:29

stole it. I was in the bath the day

10:31

he stole my 34. He wrote

10:33

a note and left it in my bed and said he was

10:35

going to see his brother in jail. Never

10:37

came back. Oh, okay.

10:40

Got it. JJ kept taking

10:42

my 34 at this point. This was right

10:44

before he stole it. And was going to

10:46

Athens. When he stole it, Dale 34

10:48

was the one who ultimately located it

10:50

and got the key back for me. It was

10:53

in Athens. Guffy and Larry

10:55

took me there and talked to Audi.

10:57

I had only met her handful of times up

10:59

until this point. At

11:02

one point, she was like, you know me and

11:04

JJ were fucking right? I

11:06

said no shit. I'm not dumb. Why

11:08

do I care though? She told me thinking

11:10

she was gonna upset me or something. She

11:12

thought me and JJ were an item. She

11:15

said, oh, I thought that's why you were always

11:17

pissed. You was here. I was

11:19

like, nope. I was pissed because I was

11:21

without my fucking vehicle. Larry

11:24

Crozer, AKAG, Larry. My

11:27

other bestie bodyguard at the time

11:29

turned snake and robber, I guess.

11:33

The story continues to change. Look.

11:38

We all understand that over time, our

11:41

memory of different events can change slightly.

11:44

But these glaring discrepancies are

11:47

concerning. According

11:50

to Ashley's conversation with Gianna, Dale

11:53

34, a previous 34, and

11:55

Larry, Ashley's former right hand

11:58

as she called him. Were both

12:00

present when her vehicle was found after JJ

12:02

stole it. After seeing

12:04

this conversation, we decided

12:06

to reach out to 34, and Larry.

12:10

Here's Guffy's testimony. Dale

12:13

Guffy. What

12:18

up?

12:18

What up? How are you doing, man? Alright.

12:20

How are you doing? You

12:23

weren't sitting down to go comment on that bullshit.

12:25

But I wanna tell 34 man, leave you

12:27

a fuck alone, man, and leave you after doing.

12:29

So fuck with you. You can make making money off

12:31

there or whatnot or anything. It doesn't fucking matter.

12:33

You're doing what you're supposed to be doing. Fuck her.

12:36

Anybody is anybody is hating on that day.

12:39

They ain't got her best answers. And how you don't matter

12:41

how how you're doing or whether if you're doing more, anybody

12:43

else is doing so gives a

12:44

34? How you doing it?

12:50

So go back to twenty nineteen. I think

12:52

it was it was February when you and Asha started

12:54

kinda, like, having a flame or whatever.

12:56

Well, I could tell you exactly we know that by

12:58

looking at the the thing, but, yeah, somewhere

13:00

January, February.

13:01

Okay. So remember when JJ

13:04

stole her car? Yep.

13:06

Okay. And she says

13:08

in a message that, like, you located it, you found

13:10

it, And is that all true? Like, because

13:13

she JJ stole it. And then did you find

13:15

out where it was at? Yeah.

13:18

Okay.

13:18

And then do you remember do you remember the location where

13:20

it was at or whose house it was at? Yeah. It was it was

13:22

in it was in it was in but listen, no. We're

13:24

not doing this. Don't I don't want I'm not like everybody.

13:26

I don't want my I don't want me putting

13:29

I don't mind you putting my my my phone calls and

13:31

things like

13:31

that, but I don't want like, I'm telling you because

13:33

you're not a cop. Okay? Yeah.

13:34

But I don't

13:35

wanna

13:35

be putting everybody's business. Yeah. I do everything.

13:37

I'm trying to help Britney. That's why I do it.

13:39

34 of them. I don't worry, but I don't wanna be I'm not

13:41

gonna tell you I sell out this dope or all this other

13:43

stupid ass incriminating shit talk about other

13:45

fucking people and and and their crimes

13:47

and all that type of

13:48

shit. You know what I'm

13:48

saying? Yeah. Yeah. But would tell you where it was

13:51

at. It was at an apartment in Athens.

13:54

I was living there.

13:55

She was seeing JJ that time.

13:57

So so you go there, 34 whoever

13:59

finds the vehicle, the vehicle you guys located.

14:02

I think one of them called me and

14:04

told me to come get us. can't remember. I absolutely

14:06

would be a hundred percent positive, but

14:08

I didn't know to go there. I got a tip to

14:10

go there. I don't know I can't remember who

14:12

gave it to me. I wanna say it was one of the girls there.

14:14

They were basically, it was, like, come get this truck before

14:16

this towed away. It's how he he don't torque because

14:18

he tore it up, man. He tore 34 fucking You tried

14:20

to 34, you know, GPS where he toyed a fucking truck

14:23

up.

14:23

When you went to go get the vehicle, who was with

14:25

you? Like, who who went with you? I

14:30

don't

14:30

know if it was male or a female. I don't know

14:32

if it was one of my people, Ashish people, or what?

14:35

I don't I don't remember what was with me, but somebody

14:37

was with me. I think they say out they say

14:39

out in the car, though. I can't really say out in the car.

14:41

I don't remember, man. I can't can't remember. I only

14:43

think I can do if we could figure out the date. I'm gonna go back my

14:46

messages to them dates and try to

14:47

see, but I'll never erase my messages, bro. You know,

14:49

now I'll never erase my messages. So

14:51

she says, Jay just stole

14:53

my 34 and Guffy is the one that

14:56

got it found. Guffy, Shelby,

14:58

and Larry all went to go get

15:00

my Ford once it was located.

15:02

Shelby

15:04

who's oh, that's that's Diablo? Is Shelby Diablo?

15:07

I have no

15:08

idea.

15:10

To you. I was like, well, the vaccine can hang around. I just seen

15:13

him a few weeks ago too, and I asked him, what's up with

15:15

him? He couldn't tell me. He was like, man. I'm trying

15:17

to stay away from my shit. As he tried actually,

15:19

he's, like, no. I'm just away from that crazy bitch. Blah

15:21

blah blah. I'm, like, alright. And but

15:23

at the Shelby Jablo, that's

15:26

possible, dude. I almost think, Larry,

15:28

what what is it? don't remember what fuck Shelby is

15:30

though at all. But Larry Larry was positive.

15:32

Whoever was to stay out of the car, so But

15:34

with that being said, they weren't nobody that was

15:36

really there to have my back, if I don't know what I'm saying.

15:39

Yeah. Right? That's why I walked away. I remember

15:41

having baseball back. So

15:43

it it goes on and continues that or actually,

15:45

before I continue, I'll ask you some more questions. So

15:47

let's say it's the three of you

15:48

guys. From what Ashley's saying, she's saying

15:50

that the that you guys went and

15:52

that she wasn't present. I know. I don't believe

15:54

she was. No. She I

15:56

almost couldn't guarantee she wasn't because she would've been

15:58

there trying to cause a scene or some probably. That's how She

16:00

is. Right? But I think we brought her I don't know

16:02

if we brought her back there later or whatever

16:04

because the truck was tore up. The truck was fucking

16:06

stripped. I mean, not not like the house out of it. He tore

16:09

wires out of it. He tore up. He was trying to find goddamn

16:11

GPS and whatever in

16:13

it. You

16:13

know what I

16:13

mean? Yeah.

16:15

Doing some 34 shit in the front of the car.

16:16

Ferguson then. Again, tell you what's up?

16:19

That's Kristen. From episode seventeen,

16:22

tell me your story. You

16:26

get to the point where you get the keys

16:28

to the car, but it's not operable because

16:30

no, it's not you guys couldn't drive

16:32

it. That wouldn't start it. I

16:33

think that he tore the he tore the he tore

16:35

the if I believe correctly, he tore the fucking remote

16:38

up and everything. He fucking got into the

16:39

remote, 34. He told me to turn it up. Okay.

16:42

He did it because he said he was worried about that, but I

16:44

think he just did to be a dick. That's all he is. He just

16:46

did to be 34 fucking If I if I ain't got a truck, she can't

16:48

have a truck. You know what I mean? He's a bitch. Jayne

16:50

is a fucking complete fucking pump. It's just like the

16:52

way he did you. You know what I mean? Fuck that. didn't get

16:54

anybody gonna do nothing here. He's a he's a fucking

16:56

c I. Dude, he's got ACI number. He told me about

16:58

that fucking

16:59

gun. Straight up, told me, dude. Fact.

17:02

Do remember the inside of the

17:04

car? There being 34 inside of it?

17:06

Was it cleaned out? Was there a bunch of junk?

17:09

No.

17:09

It was a bunch of books you did. III think it was bunch

17:11

of big old cars back of bullshit, actually.

17:14

Do you remember a bag of garbage

17:16

in the car? What'd you guys do with that stuff?

17:19

I said, I don't know if there was there was not mine.

17:21

You what, man, I looked through. I looked through it with him. But,

17:23

you know, IIIII

17:26

tried to to get in, but I'm trying 34 look like

17:28

I was too far in. understand what I'm saying? Like, because

17:30

I was trying to be the the the outsider collecting

17:32

everything I

17:32

could. You know what I mean?

17:34

Did you guys end up taking those bags to trash

17:36

back gash, please? I wanna say we did. I wanna say

17:38

we did, and they kept going through me and then in the street guys.

17:40

I wanna say we did, man. I wanna say we

17:42

did. And were you there when she

17:44

went through it? I'm pretty

17:46

sure I was. I kinda kinda remember it, but

17:48

like I said, it was nothing real interesting. So

17:51

I

17:51

didn't, you know what I mean? I didn't I

17:53

didn't

17:54

Why why would she be going through the trash?

17:56

34

17:58

feel they spun a story. And they just played every

18:00

angle they could with it. The

18:04

reason why I'm asking is because she's claiming

18:06

there's a major piece of evidence in that trash.

18:11

What will I go like what? I

18:14

the receipt. Oh, that receipt? I

18:17

remember I kinda do a notes on the sheets, but

18:19

I can't I don't really think I remember

18:21

that because I probably took it. If

18:25

I would 34 if I see, I didn't know at that time,

18:27

I didn't know as many facts as I do now. I didn't

18:29

know about that. I didn't know exactly what day it was.

18:31

I didn't know about I didn't I didn't know about

18:33

the the like, about the gas and all that type

18:35

of shit. You understand what I'm saying? So I can't really

18:37

say that, but I do kinda remember some fucking

18:39

seeks, though. But I don't remember how then

18:41

I wanna stay with it. When

18:44

you were getting the car, did those

18:46

bags of trash come from inside the house?

18:48

Or where they No.

18:49

No. No. No. They was at the apartment. That apartment had nothing

18:51

to do with the trash supposedly. Going back to

18:53

the bag. That's a I mean, it's a big deal because I'm

18:55

trying to understand truth behind why she's got

18:57

that receipt. And she's saying that

18:59

the receipt is coming from inside that black

19:02

bag. Now what the way that you've told

19:04

it and the way that someone else has told it in

19:06

the way that she's telling it are different

19:08

ways. Now your story along with the other person's story

19:10

is actually more accurate, but she

19:12

was telling me she was there

19:14

when she went to get the car. I don't know.

19:16

She went to get the car. I think we went to get the car after

19:18

that because the car went running. So don't I don't even

19:21

think we haven't forgot the car. Honestly, I think we fucking

19:23

tie everything out of the car. They came and repoed the

19:25

car. I think I think. Okay.

19:28

Okay. That's what happened. See, I don't remember everything,

19:31

bro. And and listen, that was weird time of my

19:33

life,

19:33

bro. I was putting myself in 34 place. I didn't wanna put

19:35

myself. I was staying high as fuck because I didn't

19:37

wanna be in you. I didn't wanna be I was scared to sleep around Ashley

19:39

and shit. You know what I mean? I knew there was weird shit going on.

19:41

Didn't wanna be with Ashley. I did that all for a ploy.

19:43

You know what I mean? Like, that's why it was so easy just to turn

19:45

around and never look back. You know what I mean? Like, get

19:47

the fuck away from her. Because I she

19:50

offered I said, wait a sec. So we're here.

19:52

Let me fill this out. Take me to our house or our

19:54

shanks there. Take your boxes there. Fucking

19:57

jabbles there. Everybody's talking to me. I was like,

19:59

hey, this might be the spot to be. So let me get in where

20:01

I fit in. You know what I mean? And they're trying to make a

20:03

place. And that's what I did.

20:09

Guffy tells me he is the one

20:11

who located the vehicle. Which does

20:14

match up with one of Ashley's stories. He

20:17

recalls getting a tip that the vehicle

20:19

was at JJ's girlfriend's house. Guffy

20:22

says he thinks Larry and another person may

20:24

have been with him. He

20:27

tells me the vehicle was wrecked and the remote

20:29

key was ruined. So they couldn't move it.

20:33

34 says he recalls a Bagar too of trash

20:35

that they brought back to Ashley who

20:37

went through them I explained

20:40

to 34 that the receipt from Britney's

20:42

gas purchase was supposedly in the

20:44

trash that was removed from the vehicle. He

20:47

doesn't know anything about that particular receipt.

20:52

Up next is Larry. We

20:55

think Larry's memory could be key. According

20:58

to Ashley, he was the one to communicate

21:01

with her once he and 34 located her

21:03

vehicle. Sara

21:06

spoke with Larry via voice message. With

21:09

his permission, we're going to share those messages.

21:17

I haven't talked to Ashley since that day.

21:20

I actually have her blocked because I don't

21:22

want any communication with her whatsoever.

21:27

Okay. So I honestly, I

21:29

don't know what receipts you're talking about.

21:33

Really? God. I don't remember

21:35

anything about emergency. And

21:40

then the Eric

21:43

and j j

21:45

thing. I honestly don't know how they meant.

21:48

Like, I just Ashley

21:51

brought me back back to her house one

21:53

night. And

21:55

she gave me a heads up because she had two

21:57

people

21:58

over. I was,

22:00

like, okay. And I walked upstairs and

22:02

they're, like, on guard.

22:04

And

22:04

I'm just, like, looking at him, like, okay.

22:09

They were,

22:09

like, really, really close

22:12

for a while, and then

22:15

they just kinda fell out,

22:17

I guess. I don't know. Like,

22:20

we were all free in jail

22:22

at one point in time. And,

22:25

like, we were all in the dorm, I

22:27

think, and then to, like,

22:29

didn't want nothing to do with each other.

22:32

And I was just like, okay. What happened while

22:34

was in here again? That

22:37

whole scenario was

22:39

just messed up. And, yeah, JJ was there.

22:41

He was actually upstairs. Or

22:44

he was in an apartment, and

22:49

I remember Duffy going upstairs. Yeah.

22:54

We're trying to get JJ to come

22:55

downstairs. don't

22:58

know. I'm like,

23:00

real bad hate is I trying

23:02

to remember as much as I possibly can for

23:04

you. But, yeah, I really

23:06

don't remember and receive. Before

23:09

we receive it out. No.

23:16

I do not recall this

23:20

or the receipt. I

23:24

know Ashley was letting, like,

23:27

Eric and JJ use your car

23:29

all the time by I

23:33

don't know who was around at

23:35

that moment because I wasn't. Eric

23:40

Let me tell you what that man that

23:44

man seems like he's

23:47

got some things

23:50

hidden. And

23:52

you can like, when I look at him,

23:55

you just

23:58

how do you put it? Like,

24:02

you've seen some 34 things

24:05

that you just didn't wanna talk about.

24:08

And

24:10

it's him

24:13

and Ashley being

24:15

as close as they were and everything also

24:17

felt really, really odd about. He

24:20

was just like, okay. Wait a minute. Something

24:23

just doesn't seem right. Because

24:26

that's your best

24:28

friend, that's

24:30

your 34, But

24:34

you two were so close. I

24:37

swear uphill and down they were having an affair.

24:43

That's honestly like any time

24:46

any of them went to talk about the

24:48

whole in the in the this

24:50

whole thing. I literally

24:53

I would book it Ashley Ashley. Be like, I'm sorry,

24:55

Larry. Unless I could tell you guys, I

24:58

don't wanna hear anything about it. Because

25:00

all you guys gonna do is just gonna begin

25:02

and spat off this person, that person and everybody

25:05

else. And it's gonna lead

25:07

nowhere, and it's just gonna cause a whole

25:09

bunch of problems. And I don't want my head

25:11

filled with a whole bunch of old

25:13

crab because

25:15

I'm around you guys. And

25:18

so I would leave the room and I'd go down and

25:20

either go into the basement and do

25:23

my own little thing and wait

25:26

until, you know, whatever.

25:31

Her home 34 from there was

25:33

kids and, you know, yeah, she

25:35

was fighting to CPS and everything, and was

25:37

trying to help morale. To

25:41

let me get out of let me get out of jail.

25:43

Her kids have gone. CPS

25:47

taken them. And her house

25:49

went from a semi functional

25:53

drug home to

25:57

the blackest of a true method. Eric,

26:02

there was just something about them. They're just supposed to

26:04

write. I don't know if there was because he was morning

26:07

or trying to or if he

26:09

lives. Behind anything, I

26:12

have no idea. I just know that

26:15

out of everybody that came around,

26:17

he was the only one

26:21

coming into his presence gave me an issue.

26:25

And never really changed much.

26:27

And he constantly stayed that by even

26:29

in jail. He was

26:31

34, forty, forty, forty, forty

26:33

and it's like, what are you so worried about, bro?

26:37

Then jail. That cart

26:39

was some charges, whatever. It'd

26:41

be out in a couple months. It

26:44

just seemed like he was worried about

26:46

more than what he was getting between the

26:48

lines.

26:48

And

26:51

Ashley speaking to a totally different person from

26:53

the time that I met her to the time

26:55

that, you know, I decided

26:57

that I had to walk away because

26:59

she was just excuse

27:02

my branch, but it's fucking 34

27:05

up mess. No.

27:08

Honestly, I don't remember anything

27:10

about receipt at all. Trash

27:13

bags and stuff like that. Like, I

27:16

honestly recall having

27:20

trash bags out of there, but But,

27:23

yeah, the whole receiving. That's got me a

27:25

little 34 because

27:27

that makes no sense. But

27:30

then again, I don't know if Eric was in 34, Ashley,

27:32

at that time using her vehicle, maybe

27:35

JJ. She

27:37

also was friends with Actually,

27:42

it's a boyfriend or ex boyfriend at

27:44

the time involved in this? Caine.

27:47

Caine Caine. Like,

27:49

I don't know. Ashley led every

27:51

time they can hear you 34 our

27:53

her vehicle. So it

27:55

could be anything But

27:58

I would start looking in to see if

28:00

Eric was around 34 JJ

28:03

or something like that. Just find

28:05

out if, you know, maybe they would

28:07

pick her up.

28:09

And after somewhere, would she put guest

28:11

in the car or something like that?

28:15

That sounds yeah.

28:17

I'm looking at that.

28:23

Larry has no memory of returning to Ashley's

28:25

with bags of trash. Larry

28:27

says in a type message, That

28:30

what he does recall is gathering

28:32

some of her personal belongings, phone

28:35

accessories, and such. Between

28:38

the testimonies of Ashley,

28:40

34, and Guffy. There

28:42

are some major discrepancies. The

28:45

testimony of Larry and Guffy is similar

28:47

with one major difference. Larry

28:49

doesn't recall trash bags. He

28:52

recalls gathering personal items.

28:56

Guffy recall is possibly grabbing one or

28:58

two bags to bring back to Ashley.

29:01

Larry and 34? Both mentioned

29:04

that the interior of the vehicle was a mess

29:06

when they arrived to

29:06

it. This contradicts Ashley

29:09

Sainte, the vehicle was cleaned out by JJ.

29:12

So at the end of the

29:13

day, where's the receipt and

29:16

what happened to it?

29:19

I asked Ashley's friend if he can give me some clarification

29:21

on this. What he tells

29:23

me is that Ashley explained

29:26

there's two possible scenarios about what happened

29:28

to the receipt. In

29:31

scenario one, she

29:33

says it's possible that the receipt was stolen

29:35

along with some of her other belongings. He

29:38

goes on to tell me that upon being evicted

29:40

from her apartment, law enforcement

29:43

and maintenance moved items they

29:45

felt had been left behind to the road.

29:47

She had been able to move some of her things into

29:50

storage, but when she returned to gather

29:52

more of her belongings,

29:53

Ashley claims people had stolen her property

29:55

from the roadside.

29:58

In a second scenario, Ashley

30:01

says the receipt could have been in the items

30:03

she moved to storage. But

30:05

eventually, when she was unable

30:07

to get a ride to remove the items from storage,

30:10

she lost that stuff too. JJ

30:15

has been challenging to work with, but

30:17

I say persistent and worked with Kimmy. JJ's

30:20

34, to coordinate an interview.

30:26

Hello. Hey. What's

30:28

up? This is

30:29

Jack?

30:30

No. You know, this is Jack. What's up? So

30:35

you're out now.

30:37

Yep. So

30:38

I wanna talk to you about Eric and Ashley.

30:40

What did that everybody thinks I'm involved?

30:43

I'm

30:44

trying to figure that out, man.

30:46

Okay.

30:46

By night, volume get the fuck up on my

30:48

case.

30:50

And

30:51

then why can't we talk about it?

30:54

34, first off, the fact that you record me? I told you

30:56

not to record this one or that was in prison?

30:58

Only because you asked me not to. I just said

31:00

you weren't

31:01

recording me though. Fuck

31:02

no. That's recorded in prison. What are you talking about?

31:04

It's recorded on jail calls, and it's recording that call.

31:08

I know it's recording on jail 34 in their bum,

31:10

but you it's

31:13

a funny thing.

31:17

I didn't say she didn't even present. So Jay.

31:22

She

31:22

recorded me. I

31:24

thought you said you weren't recording. We're

31:26

not gonna act funny and act like that call didn't happen.

31:29

I know a call had

31:30

Okay. Okay. So Thank you. assist

31:32

you with you, Doug. I asked you not to re my

31:34

to trust you with you. I told you not to record.

31:37

You said we weren't

31:38

recording.

31:38

I never merge, hey, when when it's recorded

31:40

in jail calls, whatever you gotta say is

31:42

gonna be

31:43

as a contingent. Know they've 34 us on there.

31:45

Okay. Well, okay. James, I got it. That's

31:47

what I wanna say. Access to the recording of me

31:49

and you through the jail, so to press, MD0CI

31:51

don't give a 34 about

31:52

that. give a fuck about you and me, recorded you recorded

31:55

me personally. The MD0CI know it was

31:57

recorded.

31:58

What are you worried about? What's settling that call

32:00

versus what's what you're sharing?

32:02

What I could do, speculate. Okay. Well, okay. Well, well,

32:04

Jake, here's okay. Okay. Here's here's here's

32:06

here's here's here's Here's the trust. See me eye

32:08

to eye right

32:09

now. First of all, I don't like Mike just talking

32:11

to the doctor. Oh, I'm I'm laying down next

32:13

well, lady, bro. She just

32:15

told me to say, it kinda irritated me because you're bringing

32:17

me

32:17

in.

32:18

Hi. So okay. My motherfuckers keep trying to

32:20

bring me in. Not just you. You're saying it's you.

32:22

My motherfuckers are bringing me in

32:23

again? Not the fucking one left.

32:25

Okay. Hold

32:26

on.

32:28

You're not understanding the

32:29

Hold on, Kim. Hold on, Kim.

32:31

Audio recording or

32:32

Hold on, Kim.

32:33

It is different.

32:34

Okay. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Just

32:36

a second. This

32:38

will be No. You're not hearing me for a

32:40

second. Hear me out for a second. I'm telling you hear me

32:42

out. I'm gonna you wanna explain something to you. You're asking about

32:45

trust. I

32:47

listened I was a I started a 34 listening. I started.

32:52

I had that call recorded back in

32:54

when. You and I talked back when

32:56

last year. What did you j

32:58

pay

32:59

me? I ain't never j

33:01

pay me. Bro, yes, you did.

33:04

No. I didn't. I got my JPEG. I got my

33:06

tablet. And my brother's fucking store. If I tell you right now,

33:08

there ain't no fucking single JPEG message in there from

33:10

you. If there is, I didn't get it.

33:13

Jay. Oh, wait. There is one message isn't

33:15

it? This is basinger. Yeah. I

33:17

don't remember this. Alright.

33:19

Okay. One message is There's a couple

33:21

messages. There's couple messages between us.

33:23

What did you ask of me? You said, hey,

33:25

bro. Please don't play

33:27

that recording.

33:30

My plan seemed to be 34 through. I

33:32

want to talk to JJ about the receipt, but

33:34

he's only focused on trust issues in our

33:36

initial phone call while he was in jail. The

33:39

purpose of my phone call was to get confirmation on

33:41

when JJ first met Ashley in

33:43

his own

33:44

words, but he's wasting

33:46

my time trying to prove a conversation that we already

33:48

had.

33:50

What I'm trying to also figure out is how

33:52

JJ held onto this receipt from November

33:54

thirtieth to February of twenty

33:56

nineteen. And had the foresight of knowing

33:59

that he was going to plant this receipt on

34:01

Ashley, or

34:03

he was reckless. And threw it in the

34:05

trash bag, not realizing it before giving

34:07

it back to

34:08

Ashley. Regardless, JJ

34:11

is difficult to deal with.

34:15

You said that I have the email still.

34:18

Show me up the email up real quick. You show me.

34:20

Oh, okay.

34:21

Hello. How am I 34 of empty. Well,

34:24

I got receipts. Well, I'm not like, this is

34:26

what I do. I had

34:28

this recording for a

34:29

minute, I chose not to play because you

34:31

asked me not to. To

34:33

give you guys some more context of what we're talking about,

34:36

JJ and I spoke while he was in jail. It

34:38

was our first interview.

34:39

You guys heard that already. Now

34:42

34

34:42

our first phone call while JJ was in jail, he

34:44

had mailed me requesting that I not

34:46

play the recording. To

34:48

be clear, I never said I wasn't

34:50

going to. I was just going to honor his

34:53

request

34:54

simply because what he had provided wasn't

34:56

enough context for what I felt you guys

34:58

needed to

34:59

hear. Now

35:01

that was very early on in my investigation, knowing

35:04

JJ was going to get out of jail and he had

35:06

said he was willing to speak with me once he was out.

35:09

My plan was to do an interview with JJ

35:11

that was going to allow him to speak more freely

35:13

not over a phone call while he was in jail.

35:16

But as you guys know, once

35:18

JJ was released, he was no

35:20

longer cooperative. I

35:23

told JJ and Kimi, I was going to

35:25

move forward with the interviews and

35:27

what changed my mind. Initially,

35:30

JJ was a high on my suspect list. His

35:32

brother had a relationship with Britney, and

35:35

JJ wasn't around Eric or Ashley,

35:37

when Britney went missing. JJ

35:39

doesn't enter the picture until

35:41

December twenty third twenty eighteen when

35:44

him and Eric pulled over. Again,

35:47

guys, I'm looking

35:49

at those who were closest to Britney. But

35:52

because Ashley's pointing the finger right back at JJ,

35:55

and JJ's reluctance to talk

35:57

is why you guys will hear what he says.

36:00

I've never said that.

36:01

No. Okay. Well, alright. Well, I'll show

36:03

you, man. Porting.

36:05

And you said

36:05

Well, I got right here. I got right here.

36:07

On October fourth, you messaged me.

36:10

You

36:10

said October right now?

36:11

Yeah. I'm looking at them right now.

36:14

What did my hand do I say? What I what I thought?

36:16

What I wrote out the paperwork? What I

36:18

was sending y'all 34 back

36:20

from what's the year is October what? Who's

36:22

October this twenty twenty one?

36:25

I

36:25

got a prison in May twenty twenty two.

36:27

Okay. But you were in jail in October twenty

36:29

twenty one?

36:30

was in jail, and I never talked to

36:32

you when I was in the county dog. I'm

36:35

looking at the JPS right now. I talked to you.

36:37

I we were on the phone Your

36:39

mom told you to call me because you you even

36:41

messaged

36:41

me. You were like, alright bro. Basically

36:43

It might be Amanda. She

36:47

Yeah. That's the only 34. I wouldn't look.

36:49

I've never talked to you when I was in the county. I

36:51

promised you this. I didn't talk to you when I was

36:53

a good

36:53

chance.

36:54

Jay, then who's the phone recording I'm with?

36:56

Go ahead

36:57

and get you in the phone. When was in the county board?

36:59

Okay. So who was I talking to in October?

37:02

This answer is, what what county was that?

37:04

I don't know, bro. Like, I can I can go

37:06

look it up? I promise you, I can go look it up.

37:08

It's on the top of my head. I can go look it

37:10

up. But I promise you, you and I

37:12

talked. So I'm not gonna act funny and act like

37:14

we

37:15

didn't talk. We didn't talk. I talked to you

37:17

shortly. Couple times when

37:19

I was in

37:20

prison.

37:21

Right. I'm talking about

37:22

it. In prison in October,

37:23

Doug. Okay. We'll we'll we'll we'll we'll

37:25

we'll we'll okay. I'm gonna I'm

37:27

not lying. I'm not making them. I'm not fabricating them.

37:29

I can show you this right now. I'll show you

37:31

right now. Kim, I'm gonna send this to your inbox.

37:34

This isn't I'm not playing games. Like, I'm not I

37:36

know you only say it. Like, I'm looking at what you and

37:38

I've spoken out how that whole thing

37:40

went down.

37:41

I'm not freaking out. I'm not seeing any land.

37:47

I told you, home three twenty four

37:49

twenty two. I'm home at four weeks right

37:52

You kept telling me in twenty twenty one that you weren't

37:54

gonna be out until, like, early twenty

37:56

twenty two.

37:58

In April. Of twenty twenty two. Right?

38:00

Yep. When I wanted to talk to you,

38:02

bro, you were like, no. Like, I'm not gonna be

38:04

out. I'm I'll talk to you when I get out. And

38:06

I'm

38:07

like, oh, sharing that. So

38:08

remember that. Yes. And then I'm saying

38:10

I know we had messages. Right?

38:12

And you were like, alright. You talked to my mom at

38:14

this point. Like, what's up? And

38:16

you and I talked. You and I had a conversation.

38:18

You and I talked about the whole situation. That

38:21

whole situation went down. I had that thing recorded.

38:24

You then message me afterwards and

38:26

you were like, bro, I'm asking

38:28

you, you're not sure that. I'm asking

38:31

you. I'm not sure that.

38:32

Oregon. You said no.

38:34

No. I said I was recording. You wouldn't have

38:36

messaged me back and asked me not to share anything. Fucking

38:38

call. You got a hung up right on the phone with you, but you

38:40

didn't use or dog?

38:41

Brother, the the calls are recorded. I

38:44

ain't supposed to gain trust

38:47

34 someone. like, right?

38:50

I'll call you in the morning. Alright? It's four thirty. I gotta

38:52

go to bed. I gotta get up and go fuck a job on it.

38:54

Call me tomorrow. So eight o'clock,

38:56

I'll call you. What?

39:02

I

39:02

could take you to the well, but I can't make you drink the water.

39:04

When we were trying to talk about it and I was like, bro,

39:06

did you know her and you were pretty defensive about it.

39:08

I was like, you don't understand what you're saying? With

39:11

you saying, I didn't know her. Cool.

39:13

Because one of her text messages says,

39:16

The reason why Britney Shanks' receipt

39:18

is in her car is because of you.

39:20

Then you couldn't I'm gonna give you one

39:22

name right now. Alright? I'm gonna give you

39:24

two names right now. There can be a lot

39:27

ahead of him and making me implicate

39:29

because I thought I was gonna put their fucking daughter

39:31

away. Alright. There

39:35

you go. Okay. But why would

39:37

they be able why would they be involved with Brooke?

39:41

I know I know the I know the bad relationship.

39:44

I will call you in the morning.

39:46

Dog, hey. Call me, bro.

39:48

Don't fucking flake on me.

39:50

Weird. Brother. We can't you can't call

39:52

me, bro.

39:52

No. No. No. Don't flake on me.

39:55

I'm not gonna flake. Honestly, yeah. I don't do

39:57

no flake. I don't do no switch. I'm gonna

39:59

say I'm gonna do something. I do it.

40:01

Cool. I got you in

40:01

the morning then. Alright. Thank

40:03

you.

40:09

That call never happened.

40:11

JJ, you flake too

40:14

much. According

40:19

to Ashley via her friend, Shasta

40:22

was lying and never had the receipt. I

40:25

am curious how Ashley now

40:28

says she knows Shasta never had the

40:30

receipt. How would this be known

40:32

34 it's possible the receipt was actually

40:34

stolen? One

40:37

evening in November of twenty twenty two,

40:40

Sarah and I had just wrapped up going over

40:42

some additions to the suspect board when

40:44

I received a message from Greg, telling

40:47

me he just started a war. Britney's

40:50

father had commented on a post of

40:52

Ashley's pertaining to a post on YouTube. The

40:55

post itself is irrelevant. The

40:57

conversation that transpired though. Isn't.

41:02

Greg Wallace writes.

41:07

So you're saying you didn't have a hand in this stuff

41:10

being posted to YouTube?

41:12

Nope. I found out about it two

41:14

weeks after it was post did.

41:17

Okay. And how did Val get them?

41:19

Because they are the same voice mails you sent me

41:22

on messenger when you hacked Jessica's shit.

41:25

Val and I share 34. And actually,

41:27

one, I didn't send them to

41:29

you. Your brother did. Two,

41:32

for the lack last time, I

41:34

didn't hack shit. I

41:37

guess it's time for a refresher and I

41:39

need to repost these, proving

41:41

that again. But no,

41:44

I did not know Val was going to make

41:46

that. I didn't know she did until

41:48

the night I made this post. I didn't

41:50

tell her to. I'm not in control

41:52

of her or the decision she makes

41:54

or the videos she makes. Everyone

41:57

thinks I'm this omnipotent being with

41:59

magical powers to control people.

42:01

What the fuck? Madison,

42:04

Britney's sister, steps into the

42:06

ring. She writes. Okay.

42:11

But she had to have gotten the voicemail somehow.

42:15

Mad and Wallace? Not even

42:17

sure what part of that is 34. Or

42:20

why the fuck you and your dad are acting

42:22

the way you are when you both know damn

42:24

fucking well. I'm the only reason

42:26

as much info that's been found was even

42:28

found in the first place. You

42:30

both seem to have forgotten that you trusted

42:32

me, not because of what I chose

42:35

to say, but because of what I showed.

42:37

I didn't claim shit. I didn't

42:39

accuse anyone. I simply found a

42:41

ton of shit and presented it.

42:43

I still have every single one of our messages.

42:46

I have done nothing wrong. So if

42:48

you guys are really as too faced as you all

42:51

appear to be, exit stage

42:53

34. Because I'm catching enough

42:55

shit from complete strangers because I'm

42:57

still trying to find your

42:59

daughter and your sister while

43:01

you sit there like you got any fucking

43:03

room to judge anyone for anything.

43:07

Greg Wallace responds. Really?

43:11

Do I have to post your messages to me.

43:14

Maybe you forgot, but I have every single

43:17

message between you and I. Come

43:19

on now. Just quit lying.

43:22

Greg Wallace lying? You

43:25

can fuck the fuck off too. The

43:27

very first voice clip I sent to Scott.

43:30

He said he was going to send them to you and

43:32

he did. Then Samantha was the first

43:34

one to post them in the group after you

43:36

post to do your page. So

43:38

you too can fuck the fuck off.

43:41

I'd love to see you putting in as much

43:43

work to find your fucking daughter as

43:46

I have to find my friend. Then

43:48

we'll talk about remembering every single message

43:50

sent to every single person. Okay.

43:54

Okay. I'm sure I sent

43:56

more after the initial one. I

43:58

sent you everything I found because I thought

44:00

you deserved to know.

44:07

Hey. Hey.

44:09

Okay. 0II gotta fucking

44:11

warn everyone out

44:12

now. Yeah. III You

44:14

trade with gasoline. Why

44:17

don't you just say, hey, let's see your entire

44:19

Facebook conversation with my daughter. Send

44:22

them to me privately. There's there should be no

44:24

problem with

44:24

that. Right? Well, how long I've got a

44:27

shitload of the stuff that you sent me? Because

44:29

I don't know if you can see the

44:32

new comments and everything that's going on in that

44:34

place? Yes. But yeah. She's trying

44:36

to say that she didn't do it.

44:38

Now I'm like, well, you know,

44:41

those are the same voicemails

44:43

he sent to my

44:44

messenger. How the hell did about it when

44:46

you had Jessica sit.

44:47

Now, Jessica sit and say, I do that. Else goes

44:49

through? She's claiming she didn't hack

44:51

it. But when you take over

44:53

someone's account and they ask her back and then you

44:56

do not give it back to them and then you change the

44:58

passwords and you kick them and

44:59

changing it up. No

45:00

one to consider that hacking? Okay. Fine. That's

45:03

stealing them. You stole her accounts,

45:05

whatever you wanna call it. Hacking

45:07

seeing stealing whatever. Again, you're

45:09

portraying to be her. You're you're sending people

45:11

messages from her account. She's also sent

45:13

messages from Britney's JP accounts to

45:15

people in jail for train to be Britney.

45:18

I would ask her, like, I could even send you text

45:20

message of what you can copy and paste, but I just

45:22

but right now, she's willing to be publicly out

45:25

there with you in this conversation. Why don't

45:27

we just ask her for her Facebook messages

45:29

between her and Britney? The tire conversation.

45:32

Send them to me. I'm her father.

45:34

There should be no problem.

45:37

You know, I wanted to know that I haven't

45:39

been accusing her of anything. You know, I've

45:42

been telling people that -- Mhmm.

45:43

-- you

45:43

know, in my book, you're in a and

45:45

tell you from them guilty, but, you know,

45:48

so I kinda wanna tell her that. And then

45:50

-- Yeah. -- you know, tell her, you know, hey,

45:52

this is going to say let me

45:55

send me all your 34, and I wouldn't have

45:57

any doubt. Because, I mean, I I personally

45:59

told you that. Yeah. You

46:01

know, she's innocent and told you know,

46:03

spiritual guilt. But

46:05

all this dodges and lying and,

46:07

you know, I'm starting to change my mind.

46:10

Alright. What about Greg. Ashley, if you're so innocent

46:13

and you wanna prove your innocence. Sending

46:15

all of the messages from the Facebook between

46:17

you and Britney. All of them clear

46:20

your name and it all goes away. Send it

46:22

all to me. I haven't accused you of

46:24

anything. My inbox is open.

46:27

Yes. That'll work. Okay. Oh,

46:31

Victor just jumped in on this conversation. I

46:34

don't shit. I'm messing it all.

46:39

Yeah. Oh, man.

46:43

Brittany's brother, Victor, he enters

46:45

the ring and he's holding back

46:47

no punches.

46:50

Ashley, you're a complete joke.

46:53

You wanna tell everyone where my sister is?

46:57

Fuck off you spoiled rotten little

46:59

brat. You're in titled attitude might

47:01

work on some, but it just annoys me.

47:04

This is the dumbest fucking attack

47:06

ever. Find a new hobby. Better

47:08

yet, Go find your sister. Tell

47:12

Emily to get her getty little schoolgirl ass

47:14

off the hide and seek page and join in.

47:17

Grow the fuck up and do something productive

47:19

to find your daughter, your sister,

47:22

pathetic bunch you

47:23

are. Ain't done shit in four

47:25

years, but bitch and complain.

47:28

Yeah.

47:29

I wasn't sure if you'd be able to see the ongoing

47:31

stuff done. Oh, I'm watching it.

47:33

Post that, let's see what she says, because if she's at

47:35

dive. We want her to answer

47:37

that question. Okay.

47:41

Alright. I just posted it. Wow.

47:45

She brought this on to herself, holy

47:47

smokes. I'm just looking at yeah.

47:49

Because her Victor are going at it

47:50

now.

47:51

Eric Schenk's a woman for

47:53

for dollars 34 another night.

47:55

Who

47:55

who was on the phone with Eric Shanks for me?

47:58

Emily. Yeah. Because Samantha

48:00

will tell me, and I totally heard it. So

48:03

she went for me to Emily, and

48:05

Emily sat into her. She just

48:07

kept going back and phone between Emily

48:09

and her

48:10

room.

48:11

I'm

48:11

like, why don't you bother? Just making

48:13

a horn.

48:14

Yeah. I

48:16

see your post, and I haven't seen anything

48:18

from her. I was probably shut

48:20

down now. Tell me to

48:22

leave us. That's all been shut down. And

48:25

I don't know. I I like I said, I don't

48:27

pay attention. I'm telling them lost

48:29

on the case, and then they held the best fucking

48:31

mouth to come into the

48:32

building. Exish. I mean,

48:34

she's contacting me because I

48:37

don't know. That she's just in they insert

48:39

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I I don't know why you're

48:41

not explain it. There's just it's

48:43

odd.

48:45

Don't reply something or not. Oh,

48:47

you're right. Don't send me down. Yep.

48:51

When you're saying, hey, let's put

48:53

it all to rest, put it all out there.

48:55

If you're saying, hey, I've never even accused you.

48:57

What would be the harm in her sending it to you? It's not

48:59

like you're gonna try to flip this and put this on someone

49:02

who is not

49:02

about. This is your daughter for Christ sake.

49:04

Why wouldn't she send it to you? She's

49:06

not to say Yeah. probably saw any background in the

49:09

fuck. We remember what she actually did say to

49:11

them. And I was advised, don't

49:13

know whether she's

49:15

so twisted up with so many different

49:17

lines. She don't so many let's

49:19

see what happened.

49:20

What she hasn't? What she can't One

49:22

hundred percent. It's hard to

49:25

remember your lies. It's

49:28

easy to remember the truth. Well,

49:30

I don't let you know if we're getting Daniel Turner.

49:32

Alright, Greg. Sounds good. How

49:34

about you? Alright. Bye. It's

49:37

not long after I get a call back them

49:39

great.

49:43

She deleted and walked me, I can't and

49:46

see any of it. Oh, wow. That

49:49

guess who believed in the luck of Madison too.

49:51

Of course. I don't know if he can still say any of it

49:53

or not, but I I can. Let me see.

49:56

It says I see his comment around but I

49:58

go I try to pull it up and it

50:00

it won't come

50:01

up. And then I went and checked my

50:03

son's list and she's gone.

50:06

Wow. Yeah. I could still see it, but I don't

50:08

see I don't see anything new. Let me refresh

50:10

it. Hold on. Still has the eighteen

50:12

comments, still everything's there. Yeah.

50:14

I and pull none of that up? All

50:16

of that, San Su girl went there and

50:18

gave a angry face reaction to

50:20

Victor. How She

50:22

obviously actually got her little crew of

50:25

of -- I don't

50:25

know. -- girls -- I can't --

50:29

to fall over. I guess I'm only gonna go through

50:31

it. Hi. I was just calling one of you.

50:33

She blocked me.

50:34

Okay. Alright. Well, I'll keep you posted

50:36

if anything else posted. Remember

50:42

what you were saying about John Crimes and how

50:44

he was only talking to one side of the 34, and

50:46

how he talked down to maddy, and how he had,

50:49

like, look at what you were saying right

50:51

now. Look at what you're doing.

50:54

Man. And

50:56

that's one thing she's continued to avoid, but wants

50:59

to talk about all the of things that the points

51:01

that she tries to make or the show

51:03

and what we're doing like, Doug, the most important

51:05

thing is where that conversation? I've

51:07

continued we've continued to out that even publicly

51:09

on the show like where where's it at? No

51:12

one wants to hold her feet to the fire. She just wants talk

51:14

around it and people let her do that.

51:16

That's why she when talking on the 34, I saw she needs

51:19

Jason to talk for her. She doesn't want to talk to

51:21

me because she knows I'll ask those questions now.

51:23

If everything everybody ever talked about,

51:25

how it was so wrong of someone

51:28

to go after the family, maybe because that

51:30

was our biggest thing about John. You

51:32

know, like, she just way after

51:34

Graying and said, basically, chastising

51:36

him and giving him a shit because he didn't do as

51:38

much work as she's done. That's what she's saying.

51:41

He should have tried a little than Greg. Like, whoa.

51:45

You are you're seriously saying that to

51:47

the to the father of the daughter is missing.

51:53

It's one thing not to give me the conversations. It's

51:59

entirely 34 situation not to give those

52:01

conversations to the father of the victim.

52:06

You can hate me all you want. But

52:09

why punish Greg? He

52:12

would like to see Ashley's conversation with

52:15

his child. He

52:18

made that request directly to you, Ashley,

52:20

nearly four months ago. As

52:24

of today, February tenth twenty twenty

52:26

three. He's

52:28

yet to receive it.

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53:42

At one time, the suspect board was overflowing

53:45

with pictures of people I wanted to take a serious

53:47

look at. Early

53:49

on in my investigation, Jessica

53:51

brought a name to me. She told

53:53

me she was very interested in me speaking to this

53:55

person. She passed my contact

53:57

information onto

53:58

him, and he came through shortly after Initially,

54:03

his name is thrown into the ring because

54:05

of a video that came to me and the dump of

54:07

information chaos I was sent by Ashley The

54:10

persons of interest on our suspect board have

54:12

dwindled down quite a lot since the early days

54:14

of this podcast season, nearly

54:16

a year ago. We've

54:18

moved people in and out. We've stuck pieces

54:20

of information here and there. We've

54:22

spent hours staring at the board

54:24

with dry, sleepy eyes. Endless

54:27

hours discussing it, getting

54:29

heartburn over it, and

54:32

as strange as it sounds. We've

54:34

been angry at it. It's

54:37

always there staring back at us.

54:40

Some days, I feel like it's taunting us. Challenging

54:43

us with all of its information. It's

54:46

a source of help and inspiration most

54:49

of the time. But It

54:51

can also be a source of anxiety. Let's

54:56

begin with the video I mentioned earlier. You'll

55:00

hear the audio, and also

55:02

apply a play by play of what

55:04

is seen. The

55:07

video is being shot from Inside Rabbit's Vehicle.

55:09

On the late night of November thirtieth or

55:12

very early hours of December first.

55:16

As he's sitting in the passenger seat, while

55:18

his friend orders food at the drive

55:20

through. The video

55:22

slowly pans to the right and

55:24

shows a set of headlights coming around building.

55:28

As the maroon colored sedan very slowly

55:30

approaches. It crosses in front of

55:32

34 vehicle and moves out of sight.

55:35

Car's wash house. Can

55:37

you get it? Can I get it a let's

55:42

see? I'll take

55:44

your number two. Can you

55:46

add me?

55:51

The vehicle in the video bears a striking

55:53

resemblance a Sheldon's vehicle, the

55:56

vehicle that Britney was driving the night she disappeared.

56:00

At first glance, The video

56:03

doesn't seem to have much meaning other than

56:05

being another rabbit hole to jump into, no

56:07

pun intended. Rabbit

56:10

takes this video because he believes that

56:12

whoever is driving is following

56:14

him. Six

56:16

months later, Someone shares

56:19

with him that this car is very

56:21

similar to Sheldon's vehicle. Could

56:24

the mystery man be in the front driver it.

56:37

Hello. Hey. Hey.

56:39

How's it going, James?

56:45

But yeah. Just said about

56:47

the messages that gave me and

56:49

Eric. Yeah. Well, love I got the messages.

56:52

I was able to take a look at them.

56:54

Obviously,

56:55

you're familiar with just the situation. Right?

56:59

Yeah. I had never technically had to

57:01

meet Brit me. I met

57:03

at once, I think, down there at the

57:05

golden dude. She sold me a

57:07

pipe one time, but I knew

57:09

Eric of the Jade.

57:12

My ex, he had actually lived with

57:14

her for a while. The

57:17

text messages that came from. It

57:20

was I think it was the first or

57:22

second. I don't live twice

57:24

as like solid light

57:26

is trying to integrate.

57:28

But we had we had had

57:30

a car we thought was following

57:32

us.

57:35

I mean, 34 the minor pulled out of

57:37

speedway and surgeons this car at two thirty

57:39

in the morning were sitting at tackled

57:41

bell. Well,

57:43

when we go to pull out, and

57:45

it starts to pull out, I make her stop. It pulls out in

57:47

front of us. It goes down to cottage in.

57:50

Kicks in with the UAE. It's still

57:52

in front of him. pulls back out. He

57:55

pulls in the McDonald's. I told him, well, pull

57:57

in here. We pulled in and said,

57:59

well, he's just done them. He said, pulls forward

58:01

and backs up. And I'm thinking it's

58:03

heightened the silence late as a cop.

58:07

Well, it goes

58:09

34, it goes back around after we go through

58:11

the drive through. I record the car.

58:13

Mhmm. It goes back around and

58:16

behind us, and I made her pull through the

58:18

right, and it goes back, goes left, and disappears.

58:21

Or about six months later, I

58:24

ran into a girl, and I thought it was the

58:26

white Cadillac that that shanket

58:29

ended up messing in or had or

58:31

whatever. And she

58:33

said, no. That's she'll manage Brooks' car.

58:34

I don't know

58:36

what you mean. She was at, but she just likes to car,

58:39

the show Mashbrooke had that

58:41

Britney had borrowed you. Well,

58:44

when we ended up looking back at the video,

58:46

couldn't imagine state detective that

58:49

asked for the date on it, and I believe

58:53

I think I'd have to go and, like, I'm seeing

58:55

the screenshot. I think it was either, like, one

58:57

thirtieth or the first at

59:01

two thirty AM. This one had been most taken.

59:06

And I had sent that video to

59:08

a few people in

59:09

there, again, one of them. The first thing he says, which was

59:11

odd. He goes, I was at home with

59:12

mom all the

59:13

way. It's like, whoa.

59:15

Who who said that? Who was with my mom on that?

59:18

Eric said that. And I said, you know, I just got a screenshot

59:21

of my book here. What the

59:22

hell would you say that? Order. Yeah.

59:25

So let me ask you a quick question because I I wanted

59:27

to break down the text messages and what you had

59:29

sent Jess and Who did you meet

59:31

34, Eric, Britney, or Jessica?

59:34

It would have been Eric who'd have been first on that.

59:36

And Eric has relationship to you how.

59:39

Originally, he was a driver of mine

59:42

back in the day. Like I said, I live

59:44

what kind of in the gray. Wait

59:46

a second. Are you

59:47

are you points to pick up certain things and

59:49

drop off and everything else.

59:51

Were you known as rabbit? That's

59:55

the rumor.

59:56

I've been trying to figure out who the fuck is

59:58

rabbit. Do you know

1:00:01

a guy by the name of Eric

1:00:02

Shane? Yeah. I met him and I didn't

1:00:04

like him. She said,

1:00:07

this this is Britney's ex

1:00:09

husband and blah blah blah. This

1:00:11

is Eric. Well, he gave me a ride home

1:00:13

and I believe in a lot of rules of business.

1:00:16

And he was driving, like, an idiot, and I told

1:00:18

him he didn't slow down. I beat the brakes

1:00:20

off of him in there because he was driving

1:00:22

real wreck

1:00:23

list, and he told me that he drove for

1:00:25

a guy named rabbit, whoever the fuck

1:00:27

he is.

1:00:30

Eric was your driver,

1:00:31

original. What year was this?

1:00:35

That would have been two thousand seventeen,

1:00:38

maybe, early eighteen. They

1:00:41

had brought him up because they

1:00:43

were picking up or wanting to buy and he

1:00:45

was there and I started talking to him. He had

1:00:47

a newer nicer trailblazer and

1:00:52

he did the thing to want to mind and, you

1:00:55

know, operating my service at

1:00:57

price and that's why he he went on with

1:00:59

it. Do you mind me asking what that

1:01:01

I mean, like, I'm this is obviously foreign world

1:01:03

to me. It's about for me to better understand because I've talked

1:01:05

to quite a few people and they're like, I wouldn't do that

1:01:07

job or I wouldn't have done this because I

1:01:09

was the running manual or whatever. And how much

1:01:11

would you pay

1:01:12

for, like, Eric, to to do your to do a

1:01:14

job for you? We usually run

1:01:16

I think he was driving to Edwardsburg 34 me.

1:01:19

Usually, it was three to five hundred system

1:01:21

drive

1:01:22

just to drive. That's not counting. Usually, I come on

1:01:24

the project. You

1:01:26

meet him in maybe twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen when

1:01:28

you think this happens? When do you meet Britney?

1:01:31

I didn't get to actually meet Britney until

1:01:33

after I met Eric and I met her at and he

1:01:35

wasn't even involved. He was at the golden

1:01:38

Buddha. I

1:01:40

had met her one time when I went there. I went to

1:01:42

pick up a pipe. And it sticks out of my mind

1:01:44

because she was, you don't want that one. She goes,

1:01:47

oh, you don't get a good head off. But but I think

1:01:49

that was the only interaction I ever had with her.

1:01:51

How close was that to the time that she went

1:01:54

missing? No. I would say

1:01:56

probably it was in the summer. Maybe

1:01:59

June, July prior. Okay.

1:02:02

So twenty eighteen still?

1:02:04

Yeah. Yeah. It would be somewhere around there.

1:02:07

Let's let's kind of get further into the

1:02:09

fall season or winter I guess.

1:02:12

Eric, though, I didn't get to know Eric

1:02:14

until I found out he knew my ex

1:02:16

really well. He had actually moved in with

1:02:18

her after he had ran

1:02:20

back into her to meet. That's

1:02:23

when I got to kind of Newark little bit

1:02:25

better on a personal

1:02:26

level. Eric, about,

1:02:30

let's see, about six

1:02:33

months, maybe her

1:02:35

thirty to six months before he knew doing jade.

1:02:38

I don't know what had happened to the kid,

1:02:40

but he had probably get a three 34 from

1:02:43

when I met he was clean-cut, put

1:02:45

together, had a job, kept a job. And

1:02:48

all of a sudden, when he came back around,

1:02:50

even the way he talked, looked,

1:02:53

his voice was different. And

1:02:57

as before Britney disappeared, I

1:03:00

about busted his head and Jay's garage over

1:03:02

from a dead blade on Jay. Yeah.

1:03:04

It was a butterfly and I had, like,

1:03:07

kinda like a basketball

1:03:08

handle. He just he went off the

1:03:10

wall, man.

1:03:13

Do

1:03:13

you know what caused the situation there? I mean,

1:03:15

he's going a blade on her. I

1:03:17

I don't know plus set that off.

1:03:19

Now I know it was before Brittany

1:03:22

had passed. So I'm not gonna sit here and

1:03:24

say, hey, the boy

1:03:24

did it or

1:03:25

Right. Say, you know, that's what made me go

1:03:28

off 34 end. Did

1:03:28

you know he took a blade out on her though? Did she

1:03:30

tell you or did you witness?

1:03:33

And she told me. But that's one thing she

1:03:35

would never -- Right. -- the girl wouldn't buy.

1:03:36

There's there

1:03:39

was a whole day situation with

1:03:41

that man. And with our Greens County in

1:03:43

Saint George, you got your hands full to be honest,

1:03:45

James. This ain't for the first

1:03:47

little deal like this. You got TELUS Fighter

1:03:50

stand himself 34 the guts of butcher knife three

1:03:52

times, cut both wrists, cut his throat make his juggle

1:03:55

out suicide. Over

1:03:57

here at the corner, sitting there telling the detective,

1:04:00

there's no way your arms are six inches too short,

1:04:02

pulled the trigger

1:04:03

suicide.

1:04:05

They cover everybody's ass if we can't figure it

1:04:07

out here. It's not long into

1:04:09

our call that rabbit rings the focus and attention

1:04:12

to Chuck Allen. He has a theory.

1:04:15

No. I'm not saying it was Britney. You

1:04:19

take that video and you slow it down and you zoom

1:04:21

it in. Make sure I kinda maintain the car

1:04:23

the first time, you see the first shot. He

1:04:26

starts to back up, then he moves back in,

1:04:28

you see gun second shot. I

1:04:32

met him once impressed me

1:04:33

later. He was just a muscle head,

1:04:37

but he's a good con artist. Mhmm.

1:04:39

Let me I wanna kinda go I

1:04:42

wanna go back to to the

1:04:44

the time that Britney was missing. then and

1:04:48

it was obviously November

1:04:50

thirtieth. And I have

1:04:52

the conversation between you and Eric. How did

1:04:54

where is that from? Is that from your Facebook?

1:04:57

That would have been Facebook to his Facebook

1:04:59

back then. I didn't know

1:05:02

until days later she was even

1:05:04

messing. How did you feel? He

1:05:06

had never said anything. I think I sent

1:05:08

it to her in the screenshot that he

1:05:10

had told

1:05:11

me. Two days or three days afterwards

1:05:14

that she was that she was missing.

1:05:17

So what you sent? Jessica Is

1:05:20

there way to screen record it and then

1:05:22

start from the top and just go down so I could

1:05:24

see the time stamps in in the full conversation?

1:05:27

Yeah. Couldn't do that, James, but you

1:05:29

know there's conspiracy to deal with narcotic

1:05:31

on my end of 34 custody. I

1:05:34

don't care about that. The detective that I have

1:05:36

worked with doesn't care about that. Right.

1:05:39

And that's kinda where I'm at with it,

1:05:41

and everybody with her bullshit. It's kinda

1:05:44

lost sight of that between the Ashley and Jessica

1:05:46

thing. Oh, you got angry. They're

1:05:48

they're taking their eye off with what their

1:05:51

be focused on, and that is that's 34 nice,

1:05:53

moderate child -- Yeah. -- sister. Yeah.

1:05:55

And nothing's being done. And

1:05:58

to be honest from what I know I know Derrick

1:06:00

would top four every once in a while. As

1:06:03

far as I know Brittany wasn't a hardcore

1:06:05

at

1:06:06

it, but I don't

1:06:08

believe that that she

1:06:10

was off the chain.

1:06:11

Which a

1:06:13

relationship like with Eric today?

1:06:16

I don't have a relationship with Eric today. Okay.

1:06:18

How did it end?

1:06:20

Well, it was when he pulled the knife on

1:06:22

Jane, dad about ended it there. And

1:06:26

he just got fucking weird. Man talking

1:06:29

about the I don't know.

1:06:31

It's it's it's let's

1:06:33

see.

1:06:34

I'm more focused on what Eric's mentioning

1:06:36

in your guys' conversation, just

1:06:39

to be clear, we've

1:06:41

already kind of broken down the conversation as much as

1:06:43

we could. But if I can actually see the whole

1:06:45

thing, so I'm not having to kind of guess or what

1:06:47

this is or what that is, and then we can actually dive

1:06:49

into the true context of what the meaning behind

1:06:51

the conversation is, such as

1:06:53

you explaining to him what you're seeing

1:06:55

and then he's, you know, you're just like, hey, you

1:06:57

look. Look, this is what I saw, you know,

1:06:59

with the hole -- Yeah. -- ride that

1:07:01

night. So if I can get that, would that be

1:07:03

pretty easy for you to do?

1:07:05

I don't have to download my x

1:07:07

record, but I can do that.

1:07:09

And I take in minutes to go back through, man, you're

1:07:11

talking three years ago versations. Yeah.

1:07:14

And I found it yesterday because Jessica

1:07:16

asked him to. Yeah. I know his Facebook

1:07:18

back then. He had a separate one also. It

1:07:20

went by Crainy Lander.

1:07:23

Interesting. Yeah.

1:07:26

That one 34 for a while there.

1:07:29

166 What's 6R2 to know then?

1:07:32

I'm thinking that's a cop at that time. And all

1:07:34

of a sudden, he was, like, I got an

1:07:36

alibi. I was, like, what the

1:07:37

hell? You know? The

1:07:40

guy that was driving the car that night was

1:07:43

how we mid to late 34,

1:07:46

saw him type of hair, had cap on.

1:07:50

And, you know, he was hunker down and he had glasses.

1:07:52

There's no way it was there. And for him

1:07:54

to say that, it was just odd to me. And I told

1:07:56

Jessica that's odd. You

1:07:58

know, I didn't realize that was a car

1:08:01

at least like the

1:08:03

one she had borrowed until probably six

1:08:06

months, somewhere around there later.

1:08:09

Yeah. I've seen the I've seen the video and I've seen

1:08:11

the picture and seen all that. And

1:08:13

I'll I'll I'll dive more into

1:08:15

what I've what I've observed thus far

1:08:17

-- Right. -- and kinda give you

1:08:19

my takeaways. The best way to be able

1:08:21

to continue this would be able to get

1:08:23

the, like, video record of it, work

1:08:25

our way down it as we go through it together.

1:08:28

That would be the best approach to be able to kinda

1:08:30

move forward in the interview. Is that okay?

1:08:33

Yeah. That's fine. That's

1:08:34

fine. I'll be here waiting for my kids to

1:08:36

get it around. I would I got one

1:08:38

my old text and all numbers I used to use back

1:08:40

then too. I think I remember the pass on

1:08:42

it. I might have the conference room and in

1:08:44

there also. Yeah. That

1:08:46

sounds

1:08:47

one thing that was weird. Back

1:08:50

to them, I stayed in pretty close contact with

1:08:53

Eric. And

1:08:55

Eric was mad as far as someone was hurt.

1:08:58

She signed off of someone

1:09:02

with kids. He was pissed.

1:09:06

I guess Brittany had signed off to kids

1:09:08

or gained guardianship to somebody or

1:09:10

some and I remember correct, but

1:09:14

he was very upset. And

1:09:17

he

1:09:17

said, oh, had called me

1:09:20

Usually, her her message to her ever

1:09:22

how every day pretty often. And

1:09:25

on what my date was

1:09:28

it? I think it

1:09:30

was on the thirty message you look.

1:09:33

I messaged him one time he didn't mess reached

1:09:35

me, I remembered 34 hours later,

1:09:38

and then never messaged you back. That

1:09:41

was the only time to enable our conversation sure before

1:09:43

or after he ever did that.

1:09:46

Yeah. Let's yeah. Let's get that recording. So or

1:09:48

that that that let's get that video of of the

1:09:50

message then we can work our way

1:09:52

down. And then that possibly might even jog some

1:09:54

memories as you read through it.

1:09:56

Alright. Yeah. I'll I'll go through it.

1:09:58

I think I radio. Let me record it

1:10:00

out district. So Yeah.

1:10:03

I'll be I'll be here waiting.

1:10:06

Alright. Yes. This is my number. You can raise

1:10:08

me any time on it.

1:10:09

Okay. Do you think of it? Did did you think what do you

1:10:11

think about? Like,

1:10:12

I'll jump on it right now if you need. Yeah. Yeah.

1:10:14

Yeah. Be yeah. I'll I'll be here waiting for you. Just

1:10:16

just call me back once you once you send it and you're

1:10:19

done.

1:10:20

Alright. Sounds good. What's your Facebook name?

1:10:24

Alright. I just sent you message. I'm gonna once

1:10:26

I get the video to my phone, I'm

1:10:28

gonna pull it up on my

1:10:29

phone, but I'm gonna FaceTime with you through

1:10:31

Facebook if that's cool. Okay. Yeah.

1:10:33

That's fine. Awesome. Thank you. Alright. Thanks

1:10:36

for the feedback. On

1:10:41

December 34, twenty eighteen. Rabbit

1:10:44

sends message to Eric s. He

1:10:47

says, I'm

1:10:49

closed for a few days bud. Dark

1:10:51

red 34 definitely tailed. It

1:10:54

waited at Taco Bell. Air

1:10:58

cast response. Have

1:11:00

no idea, bro. haven't even

1:11:02

left my mom's L0L. Odd

1:11:06

response. Since Eric didn't

1:11:08

drive a dark red Ford sedan. Why

1:11:11

he thinks this would be something relevant to

1:11:13

Eric. Is something I don't yet understand.

1:11:18

It's time to start dismantling this house of cards.

1:11:22

One card at a time. Until

1:11:24

only card left is

1:11:27

a spade held up by a book of matches.

1:11:38

Next time on hide and seek.

1:11:42

Okay. Hold on. Why the fuck would

1:11:44

she not tell me that her and rabbit

1:11:46

or brother and

1:11:47

sister? Val.

1:11:50

Come on, dude. Not

1:11:54

what. Let me just clarify. Not what?

1:11:56

He's not

1:11:57

blood? Dear that blood. Again,

1:12:01

I can't help but notice when Chuck gets upset.

1:12:03

He, you know, he talks about

1:12:05

your brother.

1:12:09

Man, because I feel like it has to do with the case because it's

1:12:11

usually when we're talking about this. It's

1:12:15

either Ashley from what? Because

1:12:18

Ashley, when Justin. Justin

1:12:20

blames Ashley.

1:12:23

Wait. Are they have they been recently hanging

1:12:26

out or something? So now

1:12:29

Ravi doesn't wanna talk.

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