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1:49

Twenty four hour news aids, Brady Gillum went to

1:51

Sturges tonight to speak with the missing woman's

1:54

mother about what may have happened

1:56

to her daughter. I

1:59

can tell you where she most likely is.

2:02

I hadn't seen any even I felt comfortable

2:05

saying anything too until

2:07

today. The stories

2:09

they tell are pretty fun. They're pretty

2:11

freaking groovesome. I

2:14

kept all the text messages, Facebook

2:16

messages, assistant messages between

2:18

me and

2:19

Britney. I have all of them. I

2:22

had everything. I

2:24

told my son kill all my motherfuckers, and

2:26

I was gonna have my people looking to

2:29

take care of it. I'll

2:31

just stay for you staying out of nowhere just to

2:33

see what somebody says. Is this

2:35

little town road here to be hard to hike

2:37

so believe that. Because eventually

2:39

everything comes up. To

2:42

me, some of these, I don't believe anything happened

2:44

to I think this love. This

2:48

is Hytenc season three.

2:51

I'm your host, James Baysinger.

3:09

Hey, guys. Let's

3:12

go over a few points from the last couple episodes.

3:16

Ravi's concerns about the lookalike car

3:18

he encounters while at the McDonald's drive

3:21

through on November thirtieth or

3:24

December first seems somewhat suspicious

3:26

when we look at the facts. First,

3:31

let's take a look at the events of the situation. At

3:36

the time, rabbit is at McDonald's, Sheldon's

3:39

car was already impounded. Sheldon

3:43

Thor and Bowman are

3:45

the only people aware of the situation involving

3:47

Sheldon's car at that time. So

3:52

it would be easy for us to assume that rabbit

3:54

was genuinely concerned about being tailed.

3:58

Could there have been other concerns, perhaps

4:00

something more sinister. Yeah.

4:04

I think it's less likely though. We

4:06

have to look at what's probable versus

4:08

what's possible. It's possible

4:11

there is something more sinister going on,

4:14

but I don't think it's probable.

4:18

The date and time of the messages between Eric

4:20

and Rabbit seems concerning. When

4:23

this incident happens, rabbit texts

4:25

Eric and explains to him that

4:27

because of this event, he'll

4:29

be closed for a while, meaning he

4:32

won't be buying or selling. Rabbit

4:35

says, he texts this information to others

4:37

as well, and I don't doubt he

4:39

did. But one of the first

4:41

people he contacts is Trix.

4:45

this was a random night of the week, I

4:48

wouldn't give it much thought, but

4:50

these events take place same night Britney

4:52

disappears. When

4:55

rabbit messages Eric to share the events,

4:58

Eric says he's been at his mom's house and

5:00

hasn't left. This

5:02

contradicts what Ashley told us in episode

5:05

three. This is my house. In

5:08

that episode after some thinking, Ashley

5:10

says that Eric was with her all night,

5:14

though, to be fair, she

5:16

does preface that with telling me

5:18

she has to think really hard because

5:21

Eric had been using her as his

5:23

alibi. There

5:27

are times when you're investigating that

5:29

your intuition tells you something's

5:31

off. You

5:34

may not be able to put your finger on what it is,

5:36

but you know something just does and

5:39

seem right. It

5:41

doesn't add up. Could

5:43

be a false alarm? Yeah.

5:46

Of course, it could. But

5:48

this is one of those times when my intuition tells

5:50

me something is off. So

5:54

what is it that's causing my bells to go off?

5:58

Is rabbit truly concerned about this lookalike

6:00

vehicle being law enforcement? Was

6:04

he involved in Britney's disappearance? And

6:07

if so, does he perhaps recognize

6:09

the vehicle from earlier in the evening of

6:12

November thirtieth? Remember,

6:15

at this point, Eric tells rabbit,

6:18

no idea, bro. I've been at my

6:20

mom's. Today,

6:24

we'll dive a little further into this leap.

6:31

In our last episode, you heard rabbit

6:33

tell me he was more than willing to share his conversation

6:36

history with Eric. I made it clear

6:38

to rabbit. That time was of the

6:40

essence, but

6:42

he disappears for the rest of the evening.

6:45

And it's not until the next day when we're in another

6:48

interview. That I hear from

6:50

him. Rabbit sends me a message

6:52

and explains why he doesn't want to share

6:54

the

6:54

conversation. I forward

6:56

the message to Sarah. And follow-up

6:58

to hear his reasons.

7:02

Can you is there any, like,

7:04

main points on there that you wanna go over or share?

7:08

He is not going to give you the video. He

7:11

said flat out. No. He's not giving it to you.

7:16

He is concerned because

7:18

you mentioned an ex detective that you worked with.

7:21

He heard that you go to the area. And

7:24

he said if you wanna

7:26

sit down with him next time you're in the area,

7:28

he'll let you see it, but he's not giving you the video

7:31

now. Because he said that

7:33

it's conspiracy to deal or attempt

7:36

to deliberate. He doesn't understand

7:38

how the law works, Bob. Yes. Because that's not how it

7:40

works. Next time you're there, he said if

7:42

you want to sit down, he'll sit down with you and go

7:44

over it and tell you every he'll

7:46

explain each and every message between him

7:48

and Eric. Like, he said he's

7:51

sorry, but he just can't risk,

7:53

you know, going going to jail or being

7:55

turned in, whatever. One

7:58

thing that he talks about the

8:01

Cadillac video.

8:03

Why? They they knew they they

8:05

wanna continue to talk about how there's a

8:07

gunshot in the back. Let me

8:08

guess.

8:09

He does talk about that. That sketch.

8:12

He was so willing and forthcoming about wanting

8:15

to share they always wanna direct

8:17

the attention back to this guy named Chuck

8:19

with the video, the Cadillac. I

8:21

think, sir, I think that's is preaching

8:23

about caring and wanting answers and

8:25

willing to talk to me when I'm up there and answer

8:28

any questions I have. Like, I'm

8:30

not buying that. What's

8:32

the difference between you and I talking on the

8:34

phone? Or are you showing me the images

8:36

of it? It promises that you're

8:38

going to take the messages and turn in

8:41

it. So he also

8:43

says that that

8:45

he was close to Eric Shank.

8:48

But he said, I don't know if

8:50

it was the drugs or weak mentality,

8:52

but he turned it into a fruitcake overnight,

8:55

so they're no longer close. That

8:58

concerns me because what's his motive

9:01

in giving you these messages between

9:04

him and Eric?

9:08

Rabbit constantly brings his focus back

9:10

to the Chuck Allen ring video. He

9:14

says he's sure he sees a gunfire twice.

9:20

Between Sara and I? We've

9:23

probably viewed that video over two

9:25

hundred times.

9:27

We've never seen or heard gunfire, and

9:29

there's no reaction from Chuck that would indicate a

9:31

gun going off.

9:36

Rabbit sends me several edited images

9:38

that he's taken from the ring video of Chuck

9:42

There's just nothing there for me to sink my teeth

9:44

into. So I stopped looking

9:46

at the images and continue requesting his

9:48

conversation history with I

9:53

don't know if a warm down and he got tired of hearing

9:55

me ask or if his better judgment

9:57

kicked in.

9:59

Rabbit finally forwards me his conversation history

10:01

with Eric.

10:03

The conversation history begins on November

10:05

twenty seventh twenty eighteen. I

10:10

glanced over it and I still feel as though I'd

10:12

really like to see more conversation from the month of

10:14

November. This isn't the first

10:16

time I've requested to see the month's conversation.

10:22

Maybe

10:22

it would be more beneficial to the both of

10:24

us, if I got rabbit on the

10:26

phone while going over this and

10:29

explain again

10:31

why I'd like to see more conversation his tree.

10:43

Jason Spade or rabbit.

10:47

Hey, what's going on? And What's

10:50

up? Now I had

10:52

a pretty nice

10:53

shot, but I dropped your line.

10:55

Yeah. You sent me a lot of stuff. That's

10:59

just off that, Scott, there you go. I'm not

11:01

saying it was Britney. You gotta say something happened

11:03

there. If you slowed that

11:05

down on his shot and dropped the volume, he

11:08

says name, Nate, once you're doing

11:10

Nick or

11:10

Kurt, come on, where's

11:12

Dave? I don't know.

11:15

You might be hearing something completely different.

11:17

I can't hear that. Of course, if there's

11:19

something, I mean, like you said, you don't even know if that's

11:22

necessarily relevant to a Britney's case

11:24

at all. Right.

11:25

I I got the the video

11:27

you sent yet. But

11:30

it starts at November twenty seventh. We we need

11:32

to go back to the to the at least the first.

11:35

At least we'll have full transparency. Right?

11:39

Yeah.

11:41

That way that way I can get off of your case

11:43

with this thing and then we can move on to other things.

11:49

The weird part about that video is

11:51

I sent that to Eric

11:54

Shank, and I thought it was for cops.

11:57

What? And the first thing he says is I was with

11:59

my mom all

12:00

night. I never chatted

12:03

you.

12:04

When did you think you took that video?

12:06

Well, I sent it to Jeff Boyd. I know it

12:08

was that either the prior day of her

12:10

being seen or later that

12:12

night, the last she was seen. You

12:14

thought it was the cops.

12:16

Yeah.

12:16

I thought it was the cops.

12:18

What made you think

12:19

it was them? Well, because that

12:21

time we was pretty hot. You know,

12:23

we weren't get cailed a lot. was on the run,

12:26

paranoid of shit, hired a kite. And

12:29

the way it acted, we weren't to pull

12:31

out a speed wave, and it's a

12:33

Nacobello. It starts the pluses. We do.

12:35

I have Diana stopped. It pulls out the front of us.

12:37

It goes to cottage in. I have

12:39

her slow down. It pulls back out the road and

12:41

turns into McDonald's. When we went into McDonald's,

12:44

it was set long ways, it dumps. It

12:46

pulls her and sees us forward and

12:48

backs up by the dumpsters. I'm thinking, well,

12:51

or hiding her license plate. So

12:53

I started filming it, but it went around

12:55

the back around the building and

12:58

came back behind us. McDonald's has the video

13:00

who was in that car. He was the guy

13:02

probably nicked the late fifties, had

13:04

salt and pepper hair, glasses

13:07

and a goatee, and it's the same reflection

13:09

that is in that Cadillac's front window.

13:14

You sent it out to few people, but you sent

13:17

one to Trix. And Eric's

13:19

response to you is

13:21

I said I said my mom's all night. Ever

13:24

said

13:24

it was him. Why do you think he responds

13:26

that way?

13:30

I don't know. I

13:32

know he lied and said he was at Ashley

13:35

Huiz, and Ashley said no he

13:37

had lucked that night and told me.

13:40

Oh, she told did you left that night?

13:42

You didn't let her know we spoke

13:44

to you because she messaged me yesterday.

13:51

She's absolutely as saturated

13:54

with the sand cases. Almost like she wants

13:56

to be Britney

13:59

Shank. Yeah. It's just it's

14:01

weird. Ashley

14:05

had said he wasn't with the wrong line. He had

14:07

left that night. Trix

14:09

he was with his mom and dad all night.

14:13

As I mean, I'd like to like I mean, we can

14:15

I wanna talk a little bit about what you had sent me?

14:17

Obviously, I still need I want to see

14:20

what November first and going forward. Looks like

14:22

happened to what you had sent me. But

14:24

just to talk to you a little bit about what you did

14:26

send

14:27

me, what's the dynamic

14:29

in

14:29

your relationship between you and Eric at

14:31

this point in time back in November of twenty

14:33

eighteen. We

14:36

really didn't have one then. He was hanging around

14:38

a mile away. didn't like it.

14:42

He was kind of referring to me.

14:46

Eric used to be a good kid, man, and

14:49

he just kinda went to shit. I

14:52

don't know what happened there. Actually,

14:56

who is the one that told me because I originally

14:58

thought it was the can last hour of

15:00

suspect, really? Well,

15:02

one day, when Ashley was

15:05

around, I we were talking about cops

15:07

telling me when I bring that up and she goes, that looks like

15:09

the car that Britney drove.

15:11

Of Sheldon's ants. Well,

15:13

I started digging around in the video. Assuming

15:16

that the ant craning it up, blowing it up,

15:19

and here's what I got.

15:21

If you look, III got a

15:24

a white spot that's in the background.

15:26

He zoom in on it, and I don't know why it's

15:28

white. But there's not

15:30

line of a base with a hoodie on. If you take that

15:32

base and put it with a

15:34

a j's, it perfectly

15:37

matches if you were laying

15:38

them. Even down to the chop screen

15:40

here. In

15:42

your conversation with

15:44

Eric, yeah. Obviously,

15:47

I I'm picking up on the fact that when

15:49

you guys when

15:52

someone says, been a while,

15:55

have a beer and catch up.

15:59

I'm betting that's not to really have a beer and catch

16:01

up. Right.

16:05

I'm not sure which part of conversation

16:08

when Eric

16:08

and you was later on hand talk to Ivan.

16:11

Did you say to me or do I say to him? You

16:13

both say to each other, I think.

16:17

Yeah. That probably means we're

16:20

gonna go run maybe on

16:22

average the the calendar station.

16:25

When does he start getting involved with me

16:27

with their business side with you? Well,

16:30

he was always a driver of mine off and

16:32

on. The business side of it would

16:34

have came out. I remember it was winter

16:37

probably mid to late

16:39

twenty eighteen. So I don't

16:41

know. He

16:44

responds and says, needed

16:46

a favor, something we talked about the other

16:48

day. What's

16:50

that about?

16:52

Oh, I was gonna tell him product,

16:56

three ounces, if I remember correctly, to

16:59

try to get him back up on his feet started

17:01

again. And then he

17:03

started to grow around with Ashley Ruehle and

17:06

his head went up his ass and there was no way I was gonna

17:08

take him this from losing the money because at that

17:10

time, there's almost three hundred dollars and

17:13

all amounts to a dealer addition

17:15

to it. He wanted

17:17

three ounces to start out. And

17:21

originally, I considered it.

17:23

Then he got with Ashley, and man

17:26

he just start using more, he

17:28

couldn't keep time, and it was just too much of

17:30

a risk. I was, unfortunately, it was a thousand

17:32

dollars at that point in time to a decent

17:35

deal where you know, announce.

17:37

So I was trying to throw him three grain

17:40

and hope I'd get it back, and I just saying there

17:42

was too much risk and not

17:44

enough. Chance of

17:46

reimbursement on it, theoretically.

17:49

I mean, that might

17:51

have been toward the end, but originally, he

17:53

had dasher, but I don't know. Yeah.

17:56

That might be in the conversations prior to, you know, if

17:58

I get the whole conversations from the first to the

18:01

to what you basically

18:02

already. That that'll help clear up that maybe

18:04

confusing.

18:04

Can I send you all that? You sent me the twenty

18:07

seventh through December. You didn't send me the

18:10

prior to

18:11

that. If you go look I had prior to that,

18:13

Joe. I thought I sent the whole thing on the website.

18:16

Three thirty I sent two different

18:17

ones. I

18:19

only got one. I'm definitely looking

18:22

at that one right now. K. Let

18:24

me go back. Okay. Because I said two. One

18:26

might have been two Jones. Furloughed

18:29

right now. I was doing a bitching right,

18:32

black one. Yeah. But I sent that two

18:34

parts because it only looks so dope so

18:36

long. Because I had six minutes on each,

18:38

so I'm sharing my day. The

18:41

the other thing I had wondered was,

18:45

what did that look like for you guys to go do something.

18:47

I mean, glide tells me what happened, Ashley,

18:49

tells me what happened. Canors told me what happens,

18:51

like,

18:53

for your operations, what happens in your world?

18:55

For him to go get a beer, what's that look

18:57

like?

19:01

Well, you have knees to lead up

19:03

on my roll. And whose car would

19:05

he normally drive? Usually,

19:09

Jay's car or his own.

19:11

If Eric didn't own a car at that time, or whose

19:13

car was he driving? He

19:16

would have been driving Ashley's car. Ashley

19:19

got the Ashley and explore

19:22

a black one. Mhmm. This one that

19:24

JJ Bobson ended up totaling out.

19:27

But, usually, he was either in his trailblazer

19:29

or we took for Camaro.

19:31

Never a red car like the one in that video?

19:35

No. On the

19:37

twenty ninth Trix talking

19:39

about because at this time, I'm assuming

19:41

he doesn't have a car. So if he didn't have a car,

19:44

you said you thought it would be Ashley's but

19:46

you don't really ever ever recall taking Ashley's

19:48

car. He was talking about him

19:50

in transport or basically him getting wheels.

19:53

I think that would have in Ashley's car,

19:56

but don't think he ran it. I don't remember writing

19:58

in it. I know he had had

20:00

it here a few times. But

20:02

there's been a lot of time to do it, man. I know

20:04

that. Did you have you

20:06

been to ashes many times?

20:09

I said, Ashley, just one time, it

20:12

was kind of a messed

20:14

up man house. He was in the summer.

20:17

I'm guessing by June, July. Right

20:20

here, this one I found out she

20:22

was missing and now it was December ninth.

20:25

That's when he had told me. I

20:29

didn't even know that anybody was missing

20:31

at that time until we shut down. I'm looking

20:33

right here recently, the thing is it was my daughter Britney

20:35

and Wallace, they'd be going

20:37

by the last

20:38

name, the sheriff's license, and then more. I thought

20:40

I'd let him go. Hey,

20:42

Robert. Do you know where you were at on November

20:45

thirtieth?

20:48

Yeah. I was with Diana Sadison because

20:51

of her mom's

20:53

She was the one that was driving the night that I

20:55

took that vehicle.

20:57

Is anybody else there? Her

20:59

mother was there. Her kids were there.

21:04

The things that he says when he's like, hey, I need to

21:06

talk to you about that thing. What's that

21:08

about?

21:11

Well, we used to run ghost cars every once

21:13

in a while. That might have

21:15

been it. What's

21:18

ghost cars?

21:21

Usually, you have two cars telling you

21:23

that heat gets on one, the other one diverter.

21:27

But you only run that when you run weight.

21:31

Why did that make you want to lay low for

21:33

a while? How is that splitting the attention between

21:35

the two of you? I

21:38

was on the run Back

21:40

then, I had missed court, had

21:42

a warrant. They were tearing

21:44

half the town apart to find me. Oh,

21:48

his phone number back in the

21:49

day, it was a text now number. It was 260.

21:53

Was there a number?

21:56

Did you see Eric at all on the thirtieth?

22:00

I don't believe so. I believe that's a Diana update.

22:03

But I think I'm not sure. I think he'd

22:06

already left Jake's right

22:07

there. Well, he was at

22:09

Ashley's

22:11

at that time. Yes. Yes.

22:15

I believe so. I

22:17

believe so. I mean,

22:19

Ashley said that he didn't say

22:21

they're all right.

22:23

But he said he was at his mom and dad's.

22:26

He's telling you that on December first

22:28

that he's been at his moms. Yeah.

22:31

That's why I said raised question because he doesn't

22:33

know he was here, but he

22:36

had left that night

22:38

he had stayed here all night. And I thought it was

22:40

kinda weird he says that his mom's. That's

22:43

weird he said he's at his mom's period.

22:50

Revit and I wrapped up Darko, and he

22:52

assures me that he'll send me his full conversation

22:55

between him and Eric Hess. Now

22:59

Ashley said she had access to Eric

23:01

his Google account. When

23:03

accessing his account, she

23:06

says that Eric's Google location history

23:08

was off, With

23:10

the exception of one night, the

23:13

night bringing disappears. Recently,

23:17

Ashley shared screenshots of Eric's location

23:19

history on November thirtieth to

23:21

December first, twenty eighteen.

23:25

We'll address those screenshots later. We

23:29

didn't have the full combo in the last video.

23:33

This new video will provide

23:35

more contact

23:39

Hey. Did you get your other part? Is that what you needed,

23:41

James? Right.

23:43

In the beginning of that, when he's talking about

23:45

his dude, that's before I

23:47

met him and that's Ashley. Yeah.

23:53

Where he was getting it in a in a total

23:55

flop of the business just trying to get on. She

23:58

wasn't plugged. I

24:01

used to run for watch at one time that we

24:03

always had access. There's a

24:05

time you talk about needing your garage to

24:07

get the brakes fixed. Would

24:10

have been on her car, the

24:12

black Explorer. He

24:15

never brought it though. Right? Keep on. I don't know get

24:17

it. It's not my dad's or j's or rare, but

24:19

he never run it over there.

24:21

So that's her car that he's referring to?

24:25

Yes.

24:28

I hadn't ever seen him in the mercury

24:30

as far as I know he never had it. Then

24:33

we had a cultural way who? He

24:36

drove that black car. He drove cage camera.

24:40

That's it? That's the ones

24:42

that I know him to have. I

24:45

got out by I don't know where I'm at all night that

24:47

night. Right. It's not, like

24:49

I said, it wasn't -- It's not in reference to you. It's about

24:52

air. Like, do I personally

24:54

think Eric killed somebody? I

24:59

he was mad, man, but I just don't seem

25:01

having it.

25:04

One thing that did strike

25:06

me as I know him and kid,

25:09

Kayo's brother, Rob

25:13

Jada, three grand, and they dragged her.

25:16

She just had my mind confused and I

25:18

heard Jessica say that

25:20

the guy that seen Britney that Britney

25:22

went to his house, and she asked, what

25:24

was her expression or emotion?

25:27

And he said, confused. She said, which

25:29

I would almost bet if

25:31

that be the case that's called Academy, and

25:35

that did have a little episode around

25:37

here. I

25:39

got my opinion on who was

25:42

with her at grandma's house. Who's

25:46

up? And I'm pretty damn sure that I'm

25:48

pretty sure he was the one that by the dumbest of

25:50

McDonald's. To

25:53

see you under Tad, the one that's on Brittany's

25:55

page, aj.

26:01

He showed up. When I was at the person,

26:03

I've never met this kid from shit. Two

26:05

days in a row at my

26:08

room. And

26:11

I don't know if he's he's weird.

26:13

But I believe that's the one who was by the dumpster

26:16

that night in the hoodie. That

26:18

white picture that I took

26:20

is zoomed in if you looked beyond the red car

26:23

by the dumpster and cleared up.

26:26

There's definitely somebody standing by that dumpster.

26:31

And let's face the cops ain't done anything, and that's

26:33

what blows me away. I haven't

26:36

done anything. The

26:41

only people that's

26:43

gotten in any trouble over Britney

26:45

Shankers, the people that's trying to find the answers

26:48

I started digging. I never had any trouble.

26:52

Same way with Jessica. When

26:55

they went to look for the cops told them

26:57

they were trespassing anybody that would go

26:59

or go to jail. I

27:01

want to help us up with that. Somebody

27:05

somewhere, James, doesn't want that pound

27:07

hour. Has somebody is high up on

27:09

a food chain somewhere?

27:13

Did there ever mentioned to you

27:16

anything about him having any problems

27:18

with Britney? We

27:22

yeah. He was pissed off this. He signed up for

27:24

his kid. He was mad as hell.

27:27

But he was also selling her heroin.

27:30

On the side. Nice

27:32

number one time she pulled into the golden boothead.

27:34

think I put mine. And that's when

27:36

I got Trix off because it's that's just one

27:39

drug I this

27:39

way. It it parks our business brewery.

27:42

When did that happen? I

27:44

would have been in the summer sometime. I remember it was

27:47

hot outside she pulled in in a gold

27:49

SUV. I

27:51

wanna say it was his, but I don't think it was

27:53

he got rid of his at that time we were in Amero where

27:56

Jay was with us. And he confronted

27:58

Britney one time at the Golden buddha

28:00

for her saying that he

28:03

was the police. Well,

28:07

I didn't know Brittany and Russia was

28:09

I bought a pipe off her a couple of times, I'm trying to

28:11

figure that Well,

28:13

I found out he was into heroin. I've

28:16

never had anybody there I had

28:19

even socialized with, but that

28:21

hasn't ended up bad. Head? Either

28:24

prison or death or major

28:27

financial laws.

28:29

You said he was pissed off that she had signed the kids

28:31

off. What did he tell you about that? Can you

28:33

fill me in more on that? I

28:37

don't really remember much about it. I remember

28:39

he was mad. He

28:41

was pretty upset over it.

28:45

No. I had asked Eric at one point in time

28:47

after all that. Has he ever killed anybody?

28:49

And he

28:50

said, yeah. But he was half out of his mind

28:52

and he can't really go by what the name was

28:54

saying.

28:55

So he told you he has? I

28:58

understand he's dope out of his mind.

29:00

I get back to somebody. When

29:02

I

29:02

asked him.

29:03

When did you ask him that?

29:06

They would have been shortly after, I found out his

29:08

life was missing. We were coming back to Medwords

29:10

per Michigan picking

29:12

up at friend of mine's house. And

29:15

the conversation came up. My

29:18

ass says, man, you never actually killed anybody.

29:20

I mean, actually, said I didn't kill somebody.

29:24

And he goes, yeah. I

29:27

don't believe four hands. Act

29:31

tough.

29:32

Yeah. Show out. The words show

29:34

out of his fucking mind. You

29:37

know, Jayden haven't taken over

29:38

all, like, superheroes and shit.

29:40

So it's light.

29:44

What made you ask him if he's ever killed somebody?

29:48

I forget what the conversation was about.

29:56

I I really don't remember chance.

29:59

Did he ask you the same question? Naturally,

30:01

I'd be like, have you? No.

30:05

It was kind of a one-sided question. Mhmm.

30:08

I came down to it. I don't

30:10

even remember correctly. I don't even remember

30:12

what the conversation was about. But

30:15

I remember that badge kicks out of my

30:17

mind. Remember the

30:19

jacket I was wearing, but I can't remember what what we were

30:21

talking about. He

30:23

was bearded at that time.

30:32

We wrap up the call. With rabbit

30:34

giving me his word that I'll go back and send me the

30:36

full conversation history between he and

30:38

Eric like I

30:39

requested. The second

30:42

video rabbit sends me were dates between November

30:44

eleventh and December tenth. Still,

30:48

I feel he's avoiding setting me earlier in November

30:50

dates. What

30:52

you'll hear next are highlights from

30:54

the conversation between rabbit and

30:56

Eric. Here's

31:03

Eric.

31:05

Hey, got a question. How well

31:07

do you know a guy by the name of Nick Payne?

31:10

I'm trying to find him. Here's

31:14

rabbit.

31:16

Enough to know he's allowed now from the beam

31:18

street. He lives in town.

31:20

Three rivers.

31:22

And parties but no hostler but flames

31:24

it. Well, the

31:26

reason I ask is because someone is looking

31:28

for him and had asked me to help. was reaching

31:30

out to see if anyone knows locations or

31:32

spots or

31:33

whatnot. Thanks,

31:34

bro. Somebody giving

31:36

you grief? Nah,

31:40

not me. didn't ask details on

31:42

why they were looking for him, but when I

31:44

was told I could tell it wasn't good. I

31:46

mean, don't get me wrong. I got a few people that

31:48

are giving me grief, but one is in Florida,

31:50

so I'm not worried, and the other is in prison

31:52

till February.

31:55

November twenty fourth.

31:59

So not shit.

32:01

You I don't do much anymore

32:03

other than Shell at home. I

32:06

hear you bro. My

32:08

things might change. Not really fond

32:11

of boredom.

32:13

Neither was our new mobile.

32:16

I might be able to be what's up. I

32:19

didn't know how too close to home

32:21

maybe, but I'm trying to get to the grange

32:24

and get a little.

32:26

I'll check to see if my buddy is home to borrow

32:28

his. I'm in sturges. Yeah.

32:32

But just you

32:32

bro, I'm never doing the new people thing

32:34

until I die. I

32:37

know. I haven't forgot. I'll

32:39

even avoid meeting my maker if possible.

32:43

Alright. Let me check. Hooker.

32:48

Alright. Well, he ain't going to be back

32:50

till morning.

32:53

Sure. I

32:55

got one more. Okay.

33:00

calls rabbit and the two speak for

33:02

twenty one seconds. How

33:05

long, Bub, so I can watch for you.

33:08

Twenty minutes tops. Cool.

33:11

Thanks, bro.

33:13

Ride clean as possible. I

33:15

gotta go in town.

33:18

November twenty fifth. Your

33:22

boys are still holding?

33:24

Let me see. had to leave to handle other stuff.

33:28

What's his price?

33:32

November twenty sixth.

33:36

Your dude drop out of the race or what?

33:39

No. Family issues have come up at the moment.

33:42

All I need to know, bud. Thank

33:44

you. I just found out myself,

33:47

bro. Let me

33:49

know when he's good to go. I

33:51

was gonna give him a try tomorrow. November

33:55

twenty seventh. I

33:57

I'm on my way to see him

33:58

now, to

33:59

see what's up, and I'll let you know. It's

34:02

a test run. If it works

34:04

out, I can use them as one of

34:06

three norms every

34:07

week. What you need?

34:11

Rabbit shares with details

34:13

of the cost for his product. Eric

34:15

responds with the price's plug offers.

34:19

I'll talk more to him when I get face to face

34:21

with him. That's

34:24

fair. If I could hit the three fifty

34:26

mark, should be intriguing. It's

34:29

at three seventy five right now. That's

34:32

fourteen hundred compared to fifteen

34:33

hundred. But if it's always on hand,

34:36

we will talk, say when.

34:40

Okay. So what are you looking

34:42

for though right now? I'm going

34:44

to call you. Everything

34:47

good, bro? Call

34:50

you in twenty, but yes, things

34:52

are okay. Well,

34:55

My med dudes wanted to clear few things

34:57

with you and them and talk to him.

35:00

Rabbit

35:00

shares his price for product. You

35:03

said he can't do those because of the price he

35:05

pays when he picks up. He's paying high price

35:07

because of the quality. Quality

35:11

is great if it's in the client's perspective, but

35:13

you know I stopped twenty five and fifteen a

35:15

long time ago, brother. Leave

35:18

the pennies on the street. The hustlers

35:20

play with real money, and

35:22

it all comes back to you in the end anyways. Jay's

35:25

quality is good if you're

35:28

just consuming. But

35:30

you and I both know on the street,

35:33

it all goes the same It all

35:35

goes the same as long as it works and

35:37

is straight and they could stand

35:39

it. It all plays the same

35:44

Smalls. He's high on.

35:46

I'll forward you the text from a few of

35:48

my Friday weekly and see if he

35:50

is interested. Because his big

35:52

sizes are fair. I

35:55

know

35:55

bro. How

35:58

much for a ball? Told

36:00

me one fifty. He's

36:03

not a plug I take it. Sells

36:06

him for one fifty to two hundred all day.

36:09

Slowing getting put on. Man,

36:13

you used to have to be able just to watch your smoker

36:15

for that. It's one hundred

36:17

all day long from rapids to Angola.

36:20

One twenty five, you come to me, and

36:23

then me to drop it. If you

36:25

feel like it. You

36:27

know, I always come to you. Well,

36:31

I'm in white pigeon. Dude in Lagrange

36:33

wants it, but You probably don't wanna

36:35

do all

36:35

that. Trying to find a car that

36:37

someone will let me drive in this shit.

36:41

Rabbit sends Eric screenshots showing

36:43

how much product he's moving and the financial

36:45

return.

36:47

I believe you. I

36:49

can have people requested all day,

36:52

but if it isn't there like

36:54

today, I'm fucked.

36:57

Yes. I'm very aware. Gotta

36:59

remember, I did lot of driving.

37:03

Right. Well, if Homeboy wanna

37:05

be put on the I got the

37:07

clientele.

37:09

I know. Jason sends

37:12

a screenshot of another dealing.

37:15

I don't think I'll fill this one. I

37:18

would have to show up with the car on that one.

37:21

Prove its legit even though I know.

37:24

It

37:25

would always be cash. I have

37:27

to use more than one store. At that

37:29

point, when I'm handing over the g mark in

37:31

cash, I have to meet the dude

37:33

and discuss business. But

37:35

I only want to have you involved after that

37:38

I fuck with you. I know

37:40

you. You drive the shit.

37:43

You deliver it.

37:46

I'll have to talk to him about that. I know he

37:48

was pretty firm on me doing all the middleman

37:50

stuff and that'd be it, but I'll discuss

37:52

it with

37:52

him. I know how you operate, bro.

37:56

Robert talks to Eric about many dealings proving

37:58

that he can guarantee profit. November

38:02

twenty ninth, Revit misses

38:04

a call from Eric at six eleven PM.

38:07

Call

38:08

me.

38:10

Sub bro. Just got WiFi.

38:13

Yeah. I'm good. Just

38:15

letting you know my dude is locked up, so

38:17

I'm in need of someone new to go through when people

38:19

get a hold of me.

38:21

Well, you're always welcome to come

38:23

to me, but you are,

38:26

nobody

38:26

else, brother. I

38:29

know. I'm not dumb. I

38:31

had to turn a few away because I

38:32

don't have a car or could get a hold of anyone.

38:36

When you wanna get together. Been

38:38

a while. Have a beer

38:40

and catch up. Tomorrow.

38:43

I'll find a car tomorrow. I

38:48

got you covered if you wanna meet up. Eric,

38:51

now I'm saying this from the get go. Okay?

38:55

I only fuck with close friends and family,

38:57

and my close friends are family. I'm

39:00

doing this because I feel like shit

39:02

over the Jade and Cash deal. I'm

39:04

human regardless what people think and

39:06

I shouldn't have jumped your shit how I did

39:09

and I fucked up. I admit

39:11

that. She was screaming

39:13

at me fucking other dudes. She

39:15

said she was poisoned and it had

39:17

me fucked up. Reason

39:20

to, I like you.

39:22

And you're not a retard and you covered my

39:24

ass before driving. You're

39:27

a good person, I do believe. Now

39:29

as family, we look out for each

39:31

other. You watch my back,

39:34

I watch yours, not a friendship

39:36

of convenience. If I'm

39:38

in a room with a million people who hate you,

39:41

I won't let the others talk shit. I'm

39:43

still your friend. I just

39:45

want the same in return and nobody's

39:48

above anyone. I added

39:50

a very few people to my click now. We

39:53

do it to make money. Nobody's

39:55

king. Yes. I'm

39:58

the only one with the suppliers, but that's

40:00

not worth a fuck with nobody to flip

40:02

it. All equal.

40:06

Right. I've always looked out for you even after

40:08

this jade situation. Right

40:10

on. You did. And

40:12

I only come to you if I have money to pay

40:14

for what I need. I never do fronts because

40:16

I hate having that bill. Well,

40:19

if it comes down to it and you need a

40:21

front, get me away from the others

40:23

and tell me Trix. If I

40:25

can afford it, it's yours.

40:28

I had to help Jimmy couple of times.

40:31

I just gotta know what you charged me for it so

40:33

I can go from there. A

40:36

bull? Yeah.

40:39

Bill for less.

40:42

November thirtieth twenty eighteen,

40:45

eleven forty PM.

40:49

Hey bro, get ahold of me when

40:51

you can. No

40:53

response from rabbit. December

40:56

first, one thirty one AM.

41:00

Eric attempts to call rabbit. No

41:02

answer. Ten

41:05

twenty nine

41:05

AM. Hey, bro.

41:08

You busy?

41:10

Kinda sorta for

41:12

a little bit. What's up? But

41:16

needed a fave, something we talked

41:18

about the other day.

41:20

I'll be freeing home in forty five minutes.

41:23

At work.

41:26

Yeah. Gives me time to walk and check on

41:28

a car to come see you. Just let me know when

41:30

it's cool to head your way.

41:33

Okay. Eleven

41:36

forty AM. What's

41:38

up? Safe to come your way? Not

41:40

at the moment bud. Old lady here.

41:43

Three fifty four PM. What's

41:46

up?

41:47

I'm closed for few days bud. Dark

41:50

Red Fork definitely tailed. I

41:52

waited at Taco Bell. Left

41:54

right before we did, sped away then

41:56

kicked into cottage gin, circled

41:58

back on the road, pulled into McDonald's

42:01

into the back, waited, Then

42:03

as we pulled up to order, it spun

42:05

backwards facing us, then

42:08

drove out as I took video of it.

42:10

We went through pulled into the side of the

42:12

parking lot. And instead of pulling out

42:14

on the road, it circled back around.

42:17

Driver and I, my buddy,

42:19

all saw

42:20

it. But

42:22

why? Jason

42:25

sends a video recording at McDonald's. The

42:27

timing of this video is between eleven PM

42:29

and one AM.

42:32

Have no idea, bro. I haven't even

42:34

left my mom's. I

42:38

know it wasn't you, brother. But I

42:40

definitely have some intentions of her day or

42:42

two. I'm slowing it down till I see my

42:44

surroundings. Not just for

42:46

me, but for all my people.

42:50

Hi bro. Thanks for letting me know.

42:54

If I'm watched makes anyone around

42:56

me hot. Nobody needs

42:58

that. Was you needing that

43:00

on front Yeah. If

43:03

it was possible. Okay.

43:05

It's a risk right now. You know

43:07

that. Yeah. I know. You

43:09

know I'm a risk taker. I

43:12

know but but I don't want attention

43:14

to overflow onto you because eyes are

43:16

on me.

43:18

Yeah.

43:18

But it could be a good thing though. We

43:20

split the attention. They won't know

43:22

what to I personally like a challenge.

43:26

December first, five twenty four PM.

43:29

So what's up? I can come

43:31

to you on foot if you wanna do it that way.

43:34

Six seventeen PM. Wanna

43:37

meet up for beer or something?

43:40

I'm pulling cash together right now, bud,

43:42

just in

43:43

case I got a role. Okay.

43:46

You're mobile right now. Revit

43:50

attempts to call No answer.

43:53

December second, fifty

43:55

three AM.

43:58

Sorry, I went back to bed.

44:00

What did you doing? Sitting

44:02

at my moms. What are you doing? I'm

44:04

mobile. Five fifty five

44:07

PM. Shit. What

44:09

are you doing? Not

44:11

shit. I feel you. Yeah.

44:14

I've been sleeping. Get things figured

44:16

out from the other day. Possibly.

44:18

I don't know yet. That's good.

44:21

You still shut

44:22

down? For a sec.

44:25

I'm letting the others run it for a sec.

44:29

Rabbit sends Eric the recording of the

44:31

McDonald's video again. You

44:34

showed me that already. You wanna talk

44:36

in person? Probably

44:39

best. Where?

44:41

You're home? I'm mobile. I'll

44:43

go wherever you need me to go. I'm

44:45

mobile. I can come to you. Getting

44:49

kids to sleep.

44:51

Alright. So tonight not good.

44:54

December third, eight fifty eight PM.

44:58

What are you doing? At

45:00

Walmart. You mobile?

45:03

Meet up and talk. Trying to

45:05

get somewhere. Being called Mido.

45:07

Okay. At my dad's

45:09

at the moment, I can meet you up

45:11

the road. What's your ETA?

45:14

And you're solo. Right?

45:17

I'm solo and headed your way.

45:21

K. Pulled by the bridge.

45:23

I'll walk

45:24

down. Ten

45:26

fourteen PM.

45:29

Should I walk that way? Yeah.

45:33

K. You could pull in.

45:35

They're asleep. I'm watching. December

45:39

fourth, one seventeen AM, Trix

45:42

attempts to call rabbit. No

45:44

answer. You're

45:46

good brother.

45:47

Yeah.

45:48

I was gonna tell you something. Okay.

45:51

Let me get my kid to sleep real quick.

45:54

Eight forty two AM. Hey,

45:57

when is it a good time to come see you?

46:00

Probably four thirty five.

46:03

Okay. Message me. 105

46:06

point three on the beams. Say

46:09

three weeks at one thousand one hundred

46:11

and

46:11

fifty. Sound okay?

46:14

Yeah. It shouldn't be a problem. Now

46:17

how soon were you wanting to start what we

46:19

talked about last night?

46:21

If it takes a little longer, cool.

46:23

But let me know

46:26

so I know what's going on. K?

46:29

That's all I ask. I

46:31

know. This isn't our first

46:32

rodeo. Okay. Ten

46:36

forty seven PM. Where

46:39

you at? Sturges,

46:42

you? I'm going to have Chris bring

46:44

me that way. I gotta get out of here

46:46

before I shoot this loopy bitch.

46:48

Okay. Sorry it took

46:50

so long to respond and I was having a passing

46:52

match with her.

46:54

Eleven o five PM. Need

46:57

you to call me when you can. Kinda

46:59

important. Rabbit

47:02

requests Eric's number and calls. December

47:06

fifth, twelve eleven AM. Eric

47:09

sends rabbit thumbs up. Rabbit

47:11

does the same. It's

47:13

now one thirteen AM. You

47:16

this

47:16

way? 302

47:19

AM. What are you doing?

47:22

Waiting in the car. Dickett had

47:24

to stop at the store on the

47:25

way. Sorry so delayed. All

47:28

this shit and he has to go shopping, shaking

47:31

my fucking head. I

47:34

can come to you. Trix

47:36

attempts to call

47:37

rabbit. He doesn't answer. I

47:39

was

47:39

gonna ask you if you knew someone with a garage,

47:41

like a barrel tomorrow to do the brakes. Or

47:44

you wanna come to me? Four

47:47

thirteen AM while you're doing.

47:50

Eric attempts to call rabbit, but he doesn't answer.

47:53

Six thirty seven AM. Revit

47:56

responds. Cold

47:58

Dural. Hello?

48:05

What's up? Everything okay? I

48:08

need a garage ASAP to fix these

48:10

breaks. I put it off because you said you

48:12

were on your way to me this morning. December

48:15

sixth, twelve PM. Hey,

48:19

you got a garages a burrow for a few to finish

48:21

these breaks.

48:24

Trix makes an attempt to call rabbit. There's

48:26

no answer.

48:28

Hey, I need to talk business with you when you

48:30

get a sec. Give me

48:32

a couple minutes, brother. In the bin

48:34

right now, saving last night's disaster. Over

48:37

this or text

48:38

now, text.

48:41

December seventh, twelve nineteen

48:43

AM. What's that? Eight

48:47

twenty five AM.

48:49

Hey, bud. I'll overnight you.

48:52

Right. Don't you love nines like those?

48:55

Shit, little brother. You don't even

48:57

know. I

49:00

can only imagine. Craziest

49:03

not have happened years. At

49:06

three twenty PM, Eric and

49:08

Brad have a thirteen minute conversation. The

49:12

two go back and forth, but nothing that's

49:14

necessary to share. December

49:16

eighth,

49:17

one eighteen PM. Hey.

49:21

What are you doing? Head at a Battle

49:25

Creek

49:25

December ninth. Seven twenty

49:27

AM. What's up?

49:29

What's she doing? Revit

49:31

responds with thumbs up. Eric

49:34

replies with three dots. It's

49:36

seven fifty three AM. Eric

49:39

forwards a post made by Greg Wallace,

49:42

Britney's father, Greg

49:44

posted that Britney was missing and shared

49:46

the last known details of her whereabouts. It's

49:50

now December tenth, six fifty

49:52

three AM. Damn

49:54

bro. Yeah. I'm

49:57

lost. Is that your ex?

50:00

My ex wife What

50:02

are you doing?

50:05

Well, thinking about putting a kid that was last

50:07

seen with my wife six feet deep.

50:11

Think you did something to her? Well,

50:14

that's the last person, so I'll beat it the fuck

50:16

out of him.

50:18

Whoa. Keep it one

50:20

hundred percent between you and I.

50:23

I fucking mean it motherfucker. Nobody

50:27

else can no shit. But

50:29

I'll help you any way possible I can

50:33

because it's you.

50:35

Usually, I'm on my own business.

50:38

But you've always been cool to me. You

50:41

know where he lives.

50:44

I have to make sure first.

50:52

When reading these messages, It's

50:54

pretty clear to us that rabbit and Eric often

50:57

use code words or phrases when speaking

50:59

to one another via messenger. For

51:01

instance, We know that when

51:04

one of them says, let's catch up and

51:06

have a beer. This

51:08

is code for doing a run. So

51:11

when I read that Eric was asking repeatedly

51:13

to borrow rabbit's garage to fix the

51:15

brakes in Ashley's SUV. I

51:17

wonder if this is actually code for something.

51:21

Trix insistence about needing to use rabbit's

51:23

garage seems curious to

51:25

me. As

51:26

soon as pocket is picked up on November twenty ninth,

51:29

It's fairly obvious that Eric is trying to get back

51:31

to work with rabbit and even confirms

51:33

with him that he does have access to wheels

51:35

the next day. The next

51:37

day? Happens to be November

51:40

thirtieth. The

51:42

conversation ceases there and

51:44

doesn't pick up again until late in the evening

51:46

of November thirtieth. There

51:48

is no communication during the time when

51:50

Eric and Rabbit, we could assume

51:53

they would be making arrangements for meeting.

51:57

At eleven forty pm, Eric

51:59

says, hey bro. Eric

52:02

follows up at eleven thirty one am by

52:04

attempting to call rabbit. The

52:09

call goes unanswered and Eric sends a

52:11

message. Get

52:14

a hold of me when you can. So

52:17

what happened on the thirtieth with the run. I'm

52:20

curious why the two didn't have any communication

52:22

on this day about the deal they

52:24

planned. Or

52:27

did they? And the communication

52:29

was elsewhere.

53:01

After rabbit shares these conversations with me.

53:04

I have questions. But

53:07

rabbit's not interested in answering. Once

53:10

his name made the podcast, he was

53:12

no longer cooperative. He

53:14

explains that he can't have his name involved in

53:16

Brit's case. He's very concerned

53:18

with his current charges being impacted by

53:20

anything to do with this. While

53:23

I understand this, I have to be

53:25

honest with him. I'm

53:27

going to continue to pursue leads. And

53:30

if those leads bring me to his backyard, then

53:32

so be it. Pull

53:34

out the camp chairs, grab matches, and

53:37

let's start a bonfire. My

53:40

response doesn't thrill rabbit. He

53:42

sends me an angry message and then

53:45

sends it. He continues

53:47

the onslaught of random information that doesn't

53:49

have anything to do with the case. Home

53:51

videos of him counting the money he's made.

53:54

What's the motive you ask? Couldn't

53:57

tell you. Back

53:59

in the last episode, I shared with

54:02

you that Valerie sending her Facebook data download

54:05

After I heard that Val and Rabbit considered themselves

54:07

family, I went to her conversation

54:09

with rabbit's alias account, Jason

54:11

Spade.

54:14

There's a lot there. And

54:16

ran into something that caught my attention.

54:20

When I'm going to share with you next, is

54:22

a conversation that took place on May thirty

54:24

first twenty twenty between

54:27

rabbit and Valerie.

54:31

Who? Off the subject. That's

54:34

something you should know. What's

54:37

that?

54:40

When I get time and I'm solo, I'll

54:42

call you. No recording,

54:46

but have a pen and paper in hand when

54:48

I do. Okay.

54:51

You'll want notes.

54:53

And I've never recorded you to work. And

54:56

Valerie, I don't know where

54:58

you got that info.

55:00

Won't start now unless you tell me to.

55:03

What

55:03

the hell are you talking about? I

55:05

know who to give it to. I'm

55:08

lost.

55:10

November twenty ninth twenty

55:12

eighteen. I got

55:15

a lot of info from a lot of

55:17

different sources. I need more

55:19

than that to work. No.

55:21

One hundred percent fact on

55:24

my kids.

55:25

I have info on that day or

55:27

that's why I need paper. No.

55:31

Last week seen each other, you said to me about

55:34

a certain case.

55:36

I get paid for my work. Talking

55:38

about the info you gather on that certain case.

55:41

Lord Justin, we fucking talked about a lot

55:43

of cases. B

55:45

dot s. Okay.

55:49

Down to the bloody car and

55:52

its whereabouts.

55:54

But who's going to dish out the money brother?

55:57

Well, when I get this,

56:00

it needs to be given immediately and

56:02

not told to anyone but

56:06

because asses will be covered and

56:09

people will kill somebody if they think

56:11

they will get caught up.

56:12

I won't disappoint you, I promise.

56:14

Put it on my babies. Between

56:17

us is that what's starting to happen already?

56:20

I'm not worried about disappointment, girl.

56:23

I'm worried about you guys getting

56:25

hurt before they are

56:26

gotten. Because it leaked.

56:29

What's leaked? Please don't scare

56:31

me, honestly, Justin, because I've done

56:34

anything but protected everyone's ass is around

56:36

here, honestly.

56:38

How, when, why,

56:41

where, these

56:44

ended where the scene is. Who

56:46

covers it?

56:47

The pointing fingers at wrong people, and

56:49

I've proved innocent. That's all I have done.

56:51

Well, I'm not saying that.

56:54

I'm confused on the date you gave brother. You

56:57

were looking into it, helping old boy

56:59

out. I got fur fact.

57:02

Every single dot connected for fact, no

57:04

doubt. Okay.

57:07

I got four fact every

57:09

single dot connected. You're

57:12

my friend. Chutz my friend.

57:15

And you two are closer than blood to me.

57:18

I know things have been hard for you guys.

57:20

And the info will help. And

57:22

you guys always looked out for me.

57:24

But once I have it, if you

57:26

said it to the wrong person, and he got

57:29

back to who was involved, it

57:31

could be deadly. Reason

57:33

I haven't told anyone, but you

57:37

Give it to person who can do something. Okay.

57:40

Understood.

57:42

It wasn't no huge conspiracy. And

57:45

wasn't that many involved.

57:47

That's why it went to a dead end and went

57:49

hush. Kind of figured that,

57:53

Two was family. One

57:55

was sent away, and the

57:57

other was dead. But

58:00

Val, when I get this, it

58:03

gets to him ASAP, and

58:05

it gets to him with no knowledge you got it from

58:07

me. And promise

58:10

it will be reacted on right

58:12

then, not the next day.

58:15

Okay. As long as once given,

58:17

it's on it like 12345

58:21

in the

58:21

morning. I don't need

58:23

to worry about Lagrange County PD,

58:25

fucking off and linking it to some piece of shit going

58:27

after my people because they dicked off.

58:31

Understood. What do you

58:33

want, Justin? Well,

58:35

make him pay you and also

58:37

check And I don't

58:40

have to worry for a bit because they're saving

58:42

them a lot of man hours and money

58:45

over six figures.

58:47

Lord, Lord the Lord. You're so lucky

58:49

at fucking love you, Justin, because it's a scary

58:51

fucking shit right

58:52

here. The

58:54

investigation cost of detectives, officers

58:57

pay use of dogs questioning,

59:00

delete that so you get your money girl.

59:03

Not fair to you, god damn

59:04

it. And

59:06

without a doubt, are you sure that's what you want,

59:08

honestly? I

59:10

trust dude, but still you

59:12

gotta promise me, before

59:14

you give one single piece of info that

59:16

you will have in writing, that

59:19

once the info you give is proven accurate,

59:22

you're paid. Not conviction

59:25

bell, but proving accurate

59:27

and Trix, as

59:29

the arrest warrants are being printed, you

59:32

get your money swear.

59:37

How do you even demand from people like that?

59:40

And that's a serious question. You

59:43

will make that the stipulation. You're

59:45

not giving info. You're

59:47

solving their case that they

59:49

can't. And you're giving them the nail,

59:51

hammer, coffin, and body.

59:54

Can't they turn around and say I'm withholding

59:56

information?

59:57

And

59:57

they don't have to give a shit, honestly. Mhmm.

1:00:00

He won't do that. Okay.

1:00:03

A trust he won't.

1:00:05

What's that worth you think? But

1:00:08

tell nobody, prosecutor, cop

1:00:10

friend, wear mouthpiece if you have to

1:00:12

when you

1:00:12

sleep, but him.

1:00:15

See, I don't even know how to go about doing

1:00:17

something like this, but I will follow

1:00:19

exact what you tell me to

1:00:20

do. Nobody knows you

1:00:22

are talking to me about Right? Valerie,

1:00:26

a lot of people say they're my friend. Most

1:00:28

don't even know me. Some have never

1:00:31

even spoken to me. And

1:00:33

the others hate me with

1:00:35

the same circumstance. But

1:00:37

you were my friend. I swear

1:00:39

to God would give or take a bullet twenty

1:00:41

473 sixty

1:00:42

five. To my last

1:00:44

breath, regardless the

1:00:46

cost of myself.

1:00:48

I believe that, solidly believe

1:00:50

that. And

1:00:52

Val? Yes.

1:00:56

Once it's done, walk

1:00:58

away from it. I already

1:01:00

have, really.

1:01:02

And

1:01:03

I never got the info or

1:01:05

gave it. Promise.

1:01:08

Even if old boy ever asked you about it afterwards.

1:01:12

Nope. It doesn't matter. I

1:01:14

gave my word to you. Okay.

1:01:17

And talk to chat. Make sure you even

1:01:19

want it. Look at the possible risk

1:01:22

compared to what I get out of it, which

1:01:24

means more to you guys personally.

1:01:27

Is it worth it? To you too.

1:01:31

Go to the courts, cops, family,

1:01:34

act. Because if it gets

1:01:36

fucked up, It's you too

1:01:39

who's at risk, not a cop

1:01:41

or an attorney or judge. You

1:01:44

too will be the ones at risk, Valerie. Not

1:01:46

anyone else. And

1:01:48

there is no wrong answer. If you do

1:01:50

or don't want it, I'll understand

1:01:53

and respect whatever the choice is.

1:01:55

If I do, I'll give it to you.

1:01:58

Swear. If you don't,

1:02:01

I totally understand in this convo never

1:02:04

happened. On all I love,

1:02:06

I put that on. It's

1:02:08

not a choice I

1:02:09

have. I don't know what I would do to

1:02:11

be honest with you, Seth.

1:02:13

Let him read these so he knows what's going

1:02:15

on. It's not a choice

1:02:17

for me because I tend to live in the gray and black side

1:02:19

of life. And

1:02:21

I can't break one law and say somebody

1:02:24

is wrong or judge them for breaking another.

1:02:26

Regardless of how different it is from

1:02:28

how I break it or how

1:02:31

much I think is disgusting and

1:02:33

immoral. Or I'm against

1:02:35

it. It's true how

1:02:37

the saying goes. There

1:02:40

is no such thing as halfway crook.

1:02:43

Either you're all in or all out,

1:02:46

no in between. So

1:02:49

I'm at a

1:02:49

stalemate. Don't like the situation

1:02:51

necessarily, but can't say anything

1:02:54

either.

1:02:56

One, we want to know you are okay, Justin.

1:02:59

Straight up. Are you okay?

1:03:01

I'm fine. I swear.

1:03:05

Two, you sure you want to do it this way?

1:03:08

Chat though says this shit has to

1:03:10

end some way somehow. And

1:03:14

don't ever feel like you broke moral with me.

1:03:16

Because we both know that isn't true.

1:03:19

Well, I got a lot of time

1:03:21

in working what happened to be s

1:03:24

and vowel. You guys are good people

1:03:27

and good people deserve a break. I

1:03:30

can't say a word about any crimes regardless

1:03:32

how much I think it's fucked up or needs dealt

1:03:34

with. More

1:03:36

or how much I'd like to give the info? I

1:03:39

can't. It would

1:03:41

be wrong of me and hypocritical of me.

1:03:44

And would bring worse to already bad

1:03:46

luck to me. I

1:03:49

get

1:03:49

that.

1:03:52

For once in my life, as fucked up

1:03:54

as it sounds coming from me. And

1:03:56

god knows they don't deserve the faith.

1:03:58

And it sounds like somebody else is saying

1:04:01

it coming from me. I can't

1:04:03

believe I'm fucking saying this. Let

1:04:07

the police do with it and trust

1:04:09

that them and the justice system do their

1:04:11

jobs. Do it

1:04:13

to protocol, and the

1:04:15

courts, and trust that the system

1:04:17

really does work, and justice for

1:04:20

the action and her is served.

1:04:23

I'm one thing. But

1:04:25

when and if my friends are involved, gotta

1:04:28

play a safe

1:04:29

hunt. I won't risk

1:04:31

others. Me?

1:04:33

Yeah. But not you too.

1:04:36

I understand. I won't risk losing

1:04:38

someone. I don't only consider my friend

1:04:40

but my brother

1:04:41

either. I hope you understand that.

1:04:44

And It's really, really

1:04:47

close to homegirl.

1:04:48

I need to realize that. You

1:04:51

know the people involved on a personal level.

1:04:55

Chaz said before you go any further,

1:04:58

if something should happen to you, he wants names

1:05:00

right now, a food to go after if anything

1:05:02

should happen to you. Then delete off

1:05:04

phone, squash, not said.

1:05:07

One is on green paper, isn't it?

1:05:11

But if the system fails, which

1:05:13

I hope it doesn't, and for

1:05:15

me to have that faith as many times

1:05:18

as I've seen it fail me personally

1:05:21

when I really needed

1:05:22

it. The people involved

1:05:24

will not get away with what happened. And

1:05:27

that little make believe game won't

1:05:30

be as entertaining because they

1:05:33

made a few crucial vital mistakes.

1:05:36

No. It was an on green paper.

1:05:39

I

1:05:39

can't remember all the names hon. One

1:05:43

victim and one girl, three

1:05:45

guys involved, was

1:05:48

not planned, heat

1:05:51

of the moment, No

1:05:53

rape, no torture, of

1:05:56

brutal. And

1:05:59

then something was joked about that

1:06:01

wasn't very funny to

1:06:04

some.

1:06:08

There's a few things that take away from this conversation.

1:06:11

Robby seems pretty confident that he knows what happened

1:06:13

to Britney and he wants Valerie to

1:06:15

benefit. Monetarily from the work

1:06:17

that he believes she's done with Britney's

1:06:19

case. When rabbit

1:06:22

begins to tell Valerie that he believes when happened

1:06:24

to Britney. Initially, she

1:06:26

seems lost. Rabbit

1:06:28

writes November twenty ninth twenty eighteen,

1:06:31

instead of the thirtieth. He's

1:06:34

off just one day, but reiterates

1:06:36

that the person he's referencing

1:06:39

is b dot s Of

1:06:41

course, we know this is to be Britney's initials

1:06:43

after she married Eric.

1:06:46

Revit tells Valerie, one victim,

1:06:49

one girl, three guys involved,

1:06:52

heat of the moment, no rape,

1:06:55

no torture, but brutal.

1:06:57

Something was joked about that wasn't funded to

1:06:59

some. What

1:07:02

the

1:07:02

fuck does that mean? Again,

1:07:05

I say I couldn't tell you, but

1:07:08

we're going to do our best to try to figure it out

1:07:11

because when I hear this, it's like a punch

1:07:13

to the gut. It

1:07:15

gives me a pit in my

1:07:16

stomach, and I'm overplaying

1:07:18

the nice guy.

1:07:21

I'm over being flexible. I

1:07:23

want answers. So

1:07:27

we're called Val. I

1:07:30

don't know if rabbit is fighting demons or

1:07:33

he is the demon.

1:07:54

Next time, on hide

1:07:56

and seek.

1:07:59

Is this good or bad?

1:08:01

I don't know. Because it's it's it's Justin,

1:08:03

not you. Just

1:08:06

I make him call you. Make

1:08:09

sure, Tim, talking to you.

1:08:11

I don't know what was joked about either.

1:08:13

He never told his dad. You're

1:08:16

remembering this conversation and it's

1:08:18

about Yeah. I remember that. I'm taking it. I

1:08:21

know for a fact it was Okay. Sure.

1:08:25

Justin done the how he said,

1:08:28

three nails one. Three nail one victim.

1:08:30

A joke said What Yep.

1:08:34

Way too far. See, cut

1:08:36

even those.

1:08:42

As far as mister basinger, you

1:08:45

know, one time I talked to him, I used to lie

1:08:47

to him. Now I went up here

1:08:49

and glides acid both fucking feet.

1:08:51

And he figured it out real quick, do not, but

1:08:54

I can open his mouth with my name

1:08:56

on. I can make Saint

1:08:58

Joe and McGrange County very

1:09:01

unwelcoming

1:09:03

for mister basing. I'm seven,

1:09:05

three of them right now. They will. Well,

1:09:07

look

1:09:07

at Then

1:09:10

show up for deposition, they can't find him.

1:09:13

I guess even he knows.

1:09:42

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1:09:50

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1:09:53

by Sarah Joe. Engineered,

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mixed, and mastered. By

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Newton's audio engineering. Director

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of photography is Ethan Schatz.

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Our graphic design is created by

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Jordan Robinson.