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Twenty four hundred states Brady Gillum went

1:50

to Sturgess tonight to speak with the missing

1:52

woman's mother about what may have

1:54

happened to her daughter.

1:57

I can tell you where she most likely is.

2:01

I hadn't seen anybody that I felt comfortable

2:04

saying anything to Until

2:06

today, the stories

2:08

they tell are pretty fun. They're pretty

2:10

freaking groovesome. I

2:13

text all the text messages, Facebook

2:15

messages, assistant messages between

2:17

me and Britney. I have all of them. I

2:21

have everything.

2:22

I told myself to kill all my motherfuckers,

2:25

and I was gonna have my people fucking

2:28

take care of them, but I'll

2:30

just say birdie's staying out of nowhere just to see

2:32

what somebody says. Is this

2:34

little town around you gonna be hard to hike,

2:36

certainly, but because eventually everything

2:39

comes up. To

2:41

me, some of these, I don't believe anyone have

2:43

to ride this bus. This

2:47

is Hytenc, season three.

2:50

I'm your host, James Baysinger.

3:12

Hey, guys. In the

3:14

past few episodes we've discussed a video and

3:16

messages rabbit shared with Eric

3:18

S. I

3:20

wanna recap and clarify few points

3:22

before we continue. Since

3:26

the last episode aired, our attention was

3:28

directed to a post on Facebook that

3:30

claims that the video taken by rabbit

3:32

of the Lookalike Car

3:35

was taken several hours prior to Britney's

3:37

disappearance. The

3:39

post shows a tightly cropped screenshot of

3:41

a message similar to the message rabbit

3:43

sent to Eric about the incident in

3:45

the video he took. In

3:49

this post, the time

3:51

of the screenshot of the message rabbit sent

3:53

Eric shows November thirtieth at

3:55

409 AM. The

3:58

person who made this post last week

4:00

doesn't reveal her source for this tightly cropped

4:02

screenshot. In

4:05

light of this, I wanna be clear about

4:07

my source. Rabbit. Rabbit

4:10

is my source. The person who

4:12

actually filmed the video and sent the message.

4:16

For the sake of argument, let's say the

4:18

video rabbit took and the message he sent

4:20

to Eric Hess were prior to Britney's

4:22

disappearance. That

4:25

doesn't change the conversation between what transpires

4:28

between the two after and

4:30

certainly doesn't change the questions that

4:32

still need answers. So

4:36

let's look at what transpires. Rabbit

4:39

is concerned with the vehicle that's a lookalike

4:42

for Sheldon's. Robert

4:44

is so concerned about this that

4:46

he contacts Eric about

4:47

it, even sharing a video of the incident

4:50

with him. Eric's response

4:52

doesn't change based on the time of

4:53

day. I have

4:55

no idea, bro. I haven't even left

4:57

my mom's. Eric's

5:00

response implies that he feels rabbit

5:02

may think he was either driving that

5:04

car or had

5:07

knowledge of the incident. As

5:09

previously mentioned, around three PM

5:11

on December first. Rabbit

5:14

sends the video he took at McDonald's to

5:16

Eric via Facebook Messenger.

5:18

Eric's response to this reflects his whereabouts

5:21

at the time the video was recorded. When

5:24

he tells rabbit, he's been at his moms.

5:26

And even though rabbit says he's not implying

5:29

that Eric was in the vehicle to

5:31

someone reading it, his message

5:33

could be interpreted as implying such.

5:36

However, Eric doesn't address

5:38

this and the conversation continues.

5:46

So Now let's look at the questions that need answers.

5:50

Why did Rabbit send this video to Eric?

5:53

Why does Eric respond by saying he's been

5:55

at his mom's? Did Eric

5:57

Phil rabbit was implying that he was possibly

6:00

driving Sheldon's car? And

6:03

does Eric throw his location out there to

6:05

rabbit as a way to cement his whereabouts?

6:09

In a conversation between rabbit and

6:11

Valerie via messenger, rabbit

6:14

tells Valerie that he knows what happened to Britney.

6:17

He says someone made a joke. Not

6:20

everyone thought it was funny. He

6:24

claims There were four people involved

6:26

not including Britney, one

6:29

female, and three males.

6:32

Too or related. I

6:36

don't know how accurate this information is,

6:39

but rabbit tells Valerie it's a fact.

6:45

They say a man's conscious as his

6:46

compass. Is rabbit's

6:49

conscious trying to steer him down the right path?

6:54

When I read this conversation, I was confused.

6:57

After reading it a couple more times,

7:00

My confusion turns to shock. I

7:03

can't understand why Valerie wouldn't have

7:05

shared this with me.

7:07

Is it possible that she dismissed this?

7:10

Just another story? Is

7:12

it possible she checked into it already? Who

7:14

knows its bullshit? I

7:16

suppose so. I

7:19

want answers. Reva is

7:21

not speaking to me, so

7:23

my other option is Valerie. At

7:27

the time of this interview. Valerie

7:30

and I were still in contact. Is

7:39

this good or bad? I don't know

7:41

yet because it's it's it's Justin, not

7:43

you. Alright.

7:50

So I'm I'm going through the conversation history

7:53

of the Jason Spade account.

7:55

He's, like, kinda talking about

7:57

some weird stuff.

7:59

With me? Yeah. May

8:02

thirtieth around eleven thirty at night.

8:06

I'm sure if I start reading it, it might start

8:08

making sense to you.

8:12

But if the system fails, which I hope it doesn't,

8:14

and for me, to have the faith as

8:16

many times as it as I've seen it fail person,

8:19

I really need it. The people involved will not

8:21

get away with what happened. And their

8:23

little make believe game won't be as entertaining

8:25

because they made a very crucial vital mistake.

8:29

No. It wasn't on green paper.

8:33

You respond no individual as

8:35

they on green paper, whose case I was looking

8:37

up,

8:40

You're not green papers? No.

8:42

Okay. Green paper. It's

8:47

CI, confidential department. And

8:49

he says, no, it wasn't. How about green

8:51

paper? Okay.

8:54

I can't remember all the names hon. One

8:57

victim and one girl,

8:59

three guys involved. Yes.

9:02

Was not planned, you

9:04

respond, figured that. Heat

9:07

of the moment, no rate, no torture,

9:09

brutal.

9:11

And then something was joked about that wasn't

9:13

very funny to some. Yeah.

9:18

Yep.

9:21

You respond, yeah, messenger

9:24

makes me nervous, and Chit wants to know it's you.

9:26

I'm assuming you guys had a phone call.

9:29

What? Because he was he was

9:31

up and down on his like,

9:34

he he basically wasn't making that sense to us at the

9:36

time. So just like make him call

9:38

you, make he make sure,

9:40

Tim, talking to you.

9:41

Yeah.

9:43

Does he have a phone go on there? Because that's the one who wants

9:45

he to have a company on his phone call. So he got

9:47

him good.

9:49

But I I have that book down. I remember

9:52

that's not

9:52

ready.

9:57

Okay. Go go above it. Then and I they'll

9:59

probably say, like, I don't want you involved or

10:01

something like that. You're getting too deep into it

10:03

now. Something along that lines. He

10:06

said, I'm done. He's talking about Britney in that case.

10:11

I think it was two different things we were talking

10:13

about. And how was it?

10:15

I asked him. How did I ask him?

10:18

I don't remember how I asked because I

10:20

whenever I whenever I see him, I'd always

10:22

ask him. Have he heard anything or

10:24

if I talked to him? Have he

10:26

got any names yet?

10:29

You know, read scoring anything that I

10:31

can grab onto and and

10:33

take off with and He

10:38

just kept telling me that I I it's dangerous,

10:40

and I need to stay on a bit. But

10:45

he also told me that it was Chad

10:47

was in a brother I'm putting her on my

10:49

little notebook because I

10:51

know, like, where that's at and I look.

10:53

So I wanna thank mentioned bro was

10:56

brothers, two

10:59

two brothers, one female,

11:02

I think he said. Three males, one

11:04

female.

11:06

Yep. Pure

11:08

rose. On the off

11:10

line with my social. They

11:13

wrote it down. I

11:16

don't did he he never told us to the brothers'

11:18

Walmart? Did he? We assume

11:20

we knew who it was. Him

11:23

and his

11:23

brother. I

11:25

don't know what was joked about either. He

11:28

never told me that.

11:30

See, so why is he referencing November twenty

11:33

ninth specifically here?

11:34

Why does he get lot of them? I didn't

11:37

have a lot of them.

11:40

And

11:40

I don't have that go down in your son. Let me

11:42

kiss.

11:44

You're remembering this conversation and it's about

11:46

Yeah. I don't remember that. Have taken. I

11:48

know for a doctor was Okay.

11:51

Do you guys ever, like, do you recall what

11:53

was said? Like because I don't know.

12:01

That's what Justin likes to do. Justin likes

12:04

to give out a little

12:07

hipster and figured out

12:09

type shit. That's what we always get into

12:11

it because I'm not

12:13

a read in between the lying type of chick.

12:16

Are you

12:17

walking? Tell me what the fuck it is so that

12:19

I can't go on. Maybe

12:23

I could. Maybe don't have any.

12:28

Oh, we're here. We're here this. I'm

12:32

sure that's it.

12:37

Today I rode down in my book. So

12:39

I know for a fact. Fact that it was

12:41

about how many. Right. I mean, it's right

12:43

on even her page that I have my notes

12:46

on. Welcome

12:48

to Bow's World. No.

12:58

He's going through my messages. I'm messenger.

13:01

Any notice be Justin

13:05

done the how do you said? Thirty

13:08

males three

13:11

males one female one victim,

13:13

a joke that What?

13:16

Yep. Way too far. Wasn't so wasn't

13:18

so funny if somebody yep. See,

13:20

cut even nose. I heard

13:22

him say it.

13:24

He has actually said that in person too.

13:27

No. Because we asked him when he came over. Why

13:29

would you even say something like that? Yeah.

13:32

I think.

13:34

That time frame of remember when he won't

13:36

show me Eric's conversation with him? Yeah.

13:39

Yeah. So he's referencing that time stamp

13:41

in his mind. Again, We're in

13:43

May thirtieth of twenty twenty.

13:45

For him to

13:46

recall, that's an important date for him.

13:49

Good point. Good point.

13:52

And so you and so you're like He

13:55

responds. Yep. BS.

13:59

Pretty safe. Okay.

14:02

His purse because I was I

14:05

was gathering a lot of information. Well,

14:07

as you can see, on that a lot

14:09

of information, James. And

14:12

some from people that like,

14:14

I have respect from a lot of different crowds.

14:16

Clean and simple. A lot of different crowns.

14:19

The streets, a higher up,

14:21

the normal crap. You I fit in with okay.

14:25

He was pissed because I wasn't

14:27

making a deal with the cops when

14:29

they made money. I

14:32

wasn't making no money up. Like,

14:34

he goes and works for him. He's getting paid. Okay?

14:37

I don't get paid by nobody. Everything

14:40

all my time, everything has been and

14:42

that's what he's telling me is You

14:44

I will give you the information, but

14:47

you better get paid. Yeah. Because you're

14:49

gonna have to leave have

14:51

this information. It gets out

14:54

your ass is dead. That's

14:56

what he's telling me. What

14:58

was the name of the guy's car? You

15:01

got the car? The hotel.

15:04

What kind of hotel? What's that?

15:07

Oh, yeah.

15:11

Like, I wanna stay on this just for a second.

15:14

That seems really so wow.

15:17

Here's my approach. That's

15:19

who my focus is. And it's continued to

15:21

be on him.

15:23

When

15:23

he doesn't wanna talk about the whole thing with Eric

15:25

on that day,

15:26

like, What's

15:27

going on? Like, I thought this was gonna be easy

15:29

clearance right now. And

15:32

then ate Marsha. How did I bring

15:34

it up to him? I Hey, Yuri.

15:36

Remember that one time line? Yeah. Told me. How

15:38

would I do that? Pretty fast.

15:44

Yeah. I would I would say for

15:46

your own, like, I

15:49

would I mean, I would

15:56

He knows. James, you know. I

15:59

know who knows. You know who knows. You

16:02

know he knows. Did he do

16:04

it? But

16:06

I'm not but he's not giving me

16:07

enough. Like, I can't just go

16:09

off of him.

16:12

I wanna talk to him. I think you gotta be specific

16:14

with him about being, like, if you get into a

16:17

place where he maybe starts to even

16:19

remotely open up about

16:20

it, who knocked on the back door. He's

16:23

he's wanting to get it off his chest. He's

16:26

coming to you to tell you and I don't know if it's a

16:28

state of mind if he's if he's high, drunk, or

16:30

whatever he's dealing with. He's emotionally

16:32

processing it, and he's telling you. He

16:34

can't tell you because it's too close.

16:38

Look, that was when he was all fucked up just before

16:40

I went to jail.

16:41

Yeah. He was all fucked up right before I went to

16:43

jail, so that happens.

16:44

Wanting

16:45

and crying about everything. Any old

16:47

any old money. And

16:51

I can bring it back up to him, though. There's

16:54

nobody else who's gonna be able to sit in

16:56

front of him that he's going to want to

16:58

bare his chest onto, the more than you.

17:00

He tries to tell you by saying November twenty

17:02

ninth twenty eighteen,

17:04

b s, and you're like, oh,

17:08

Okay.

17:10

Yeah. He says, it's coming for a look.

17:12

He's wanting to tell you Yeah.

17:17

Again, I think you know, truthfully, Justin.

17:19

Hey. Dude, I'm here. If you wanna talk

17:21

about it, let's go. And I'm truthfully

17:23

free.

17:25

I know of my heart. Can't really know of

17:27

my heart that he knows. I know he goes.

17:30

Go ahead. I'll admit to you. I'm scared of my

17:32

brother. I am. I'm scared of him.

17:35

Because I know these things.

17:38

And you're paying with Britney for other

17:40

people. And I think it's because you're

17:42

scared because of direction

17:45

that I was going and I wasn't stopping.

17:48

Honest to god, I was not stopping. They're

17:50

gonna get guess with the state of mind, they're gonna kill

17:52

me fuck it. They thought I went down to

17:54

try and say somebody. But

17:57

then I got out of that state of mind of

18:00

why do I think that they're gonna counts. Like,

18:03

why? Why does he have in my mind that they're

18:05

gonna hurt me? To

18:07

scare me. Why? That's

18:11

what my brother does. To

18:14

to bring it back up, then he was he

18:16

was just talking to me the other night.

18:19

Brought up Chuck again,

18:22

and he brought up somebody

18:24

else. But he said, look, down, I'm gonna tell you

18:26

right now. I'm gonna tell you. Like,

18:28

what? Tell me. He says, Chuck

18:31

wasn't a shooter. No

18:33

fucking dog. There's no Like, get

18:35

Chuck out of your fucking head.

18:39

I don't know if he's holding on to that because

18:42

that's like his if we keep the attention

18:44

on that, dude, we can continue to run

18:46

with that story. Why

18:49

you're looking at Eric is because Ashley puts him

18:51

right next to her and then you have proof with conversations

18:54

with Sheldon, And then you have this conversation

18:56

with with with Justin, and then you got Justin Tripping

18:58

out about the car that he sends it to Eric

19:00

the day after Brittany was missing. No.

19:03

Oh, yeah. The the big guy don't think. When

19:05

did he take it? December first. The

19:08

day after Brittany goes missing, why is he chirping

19:10

out and sending that to Eric because it looks

19:12

like Sheldon's car. It's not

19:14

Sheldon's car though. Sheldon's

19:16

car is in the impound, and

19:18

he's tripping out on it. Yeah.

19:21

I know. You get it

19:23

yet? Yeah. I get

19:25

it. Why would

19:27

he send that to Eric? Eric

19:30

was just a fool, guy. He was a main dude.

19:32

Charity. Shitwork. There's

19:35

no reason for him to send that video

19:37

of that car to

19:38

Eric. When Eric

19:40

doesn't even own a car. Right.

19:44

Right. Give

19:46

out you messages between me and Eric about

19:48

that? Because I asked

19:49

Eric. What did you say?

19:52

Eric said to me, I he didn't record

19:54

that video with whatever with I

19:56

Anna Swanson. He recorded

19:58

that in my fucking Dodge

20:02

Dodge Durango when he was with

20:04

me. He didn't. He

20:06

he recorded that with Diana. That's

20:09

what set me on Justin's path

20:11

was when I saw that video and that he

20:13

had sent that video to Eric and that

20:16

he was the creator and you look

20:18

at the date Britney wasn't reported missing

20:20

until the eighth. Eric

20:24

and Ashley didn't care and shouldn't

20:26

have cared about Sheldon's car

20:28

Nor should have Justin worried about Sheldon's

20:30

car following him. He's

20:33

tripping because what happened the night

20:35

before, they handled it. Why

20:37

is that car out? Why is it falling? He's

20:40

tripping. Eric

20:42

worked for

20:43

rabbit. It wasn't the other way around. By

20:46

telling me that somebody told me to shut up.

20:48

Exactly. And that's why the g

20:50

d y'all have fucking g d's up our ass, like,

20:52

fucking like that. I'm

20:56

just saying I'm not taking you off track. But,

20:58

yeah, you're right because and Justin knows more.

21:00

You can get out. You know, you should be able to

21:02

get out If it is if it is

21:04

possible, tell

21:05

you. Do you No data.

21:12

Okay. So we have this conversation where

21:14

he continues to refer to you having information

21:16

that you're looking into. He's basically saying

21:19

I'm done. It's up. The gig is up. And

21:21

I can't I and I don't want it to be found

21:23

out that I'm providing you this information because then

21:25

it's it's on your

21:26

hands. And that's why he's

21:27

saying It was an accident. He's no

21:30

other explanation. I mean, go smoke

21:32

detectors. But you can get you have to get out

21:34

of me, but I'm I don't know if he will.

21:36

Hey. You don't get out of him now. Kill me.

21:39

Just one thing you need to know. I

21:41

will never commit suicide. Favorites.

21:45

Favorites. Favorites people to hang up.

21:49

I'll do my best.

21:59

I'll recap the takeaways from the conversation you

22:01

just heard. Valerie

22:04

recalls this specific conversation with

22:06

rabbit fairly quickly. She

22:09

even says she recognized that rabbit

22:11

was referring to Britney Shane, In

22:14

fact, Valerie says she

22:16

knows for a fact that this conversation

22:18

was about Britney. When

22:21

the conversation between her and rabbit took

22:23

place, she went to the trouble of

22:25

taking notes. Valerie

22:27

shares with me that she had consistently

22:29

been attempting to gather information about

22:32

Britney's disappearance from many people,

22:34

not only rabbit, Based

22:36

on the information Valerie shared with me,

22:39

I'd say this is likely true. Rabbit

22:43

does this shit. Valerie

22:45

says, he puts bits of

22:47

information out there and leaves

22:49

the rest for you to figure out on your own.

22:53

She even goes as far as saying, she

22:55

believes he could be a pathological liar.

23:00

Valerie tells me she scared of her brother.

23:03

She says he wants to

23:05

scare her. As

23:08

she continues on, she goes into a

23:10

bit of rabbit's criminal background. I

23:13

can confirm that what Valerie says

23:15

is not a reach. He's

23:17

had his challenges. I'm not here

23:19

to judge anyone, but what

23:22

I will do is call Spade a Spade Five

23:25

hundred and forty seven days. That's

23:28

how many days passed before Revit brings this

23:30

information about Britney to Valerie.

23:33

May thirtieth twenty twenty, five

23:35

hundred and forty seven days. He

23:37

brings this up out of nowhere What

23:41

sparks this? Valerie

23:44

believes that rabbit's motive is purely

23:46

financial. Remember,

23:49

he wants Valerie to request payment for

23:51

this information before she turns it over to authorities.

23:54

Valerie reiterates to me that she does

23:56

get paid for the work she does on Britney's case.

23:59

Based on her response to rabbit, how

24:02

does someone even get paid for something like that?

24:05

I'd say that her statement seems true. She

24:08

tells me, rabbit knew she was looking

24:10

into Britney's disappearance, and

24:13

he may have been concerned that she was getting too

24:15

close to finding out the truth. At

24:18

that point, Valerie offers her support.

24:20

She tells me that since rabbit isn't willing to

24:22

communicate with me, that

24:24

she could try her hand at getting him to talk.

24:28

I wasn't sure this was a good idea. I

24:30

wrestled with that approach, It

24:33

made me feel uneasy because of their close relationship.

24:36

As much as I sincerely wanted to trust Valerie,

24:39

it was concerning to me that she didn't bring this

24:41

conversation up on her own. Maybe

24:44

she was attempting to protect her brother. Then

24:48

again, maybe she was protecting

24:50

herself She did say

24:52

that Robert scared her. Sarah

24:56

and I discussed pros and cons. I

24:59

think I have valid concerns. But when

25:01

we really get down to it, I

25:03

start to doubt my concerns. If

25:06

this conversation was something about he really

25:08

wanted to hide or had genuine concerns

25:10

over why would she share her Facebook

25:13

data downloaded with me knowing

25:15

those messages were in there. Valerie

25:18

reflects back on the conversation she had with rabbit

25:21

and their history. She tells

25:23

me she knows in her heart, that

25:25

rabbit had involvement in Britney's disappearance.

25:30

I'm thrown for a loop when Valerie says Eric

25:32

told her that rabbit took the video

25:34

at McDonald's with him and his Dodge Durango.

25:38

Why would Eric say that? Because

25:41

if that were true. Why would

25:43

rabbits send the video to Eric if

25:45

Eric was actually in the vehicle with

25:47

rabbit and his friend Diana? Lastly,

25:51

Why would Eric respond the way he does to seeing

25:54

this video if he was in the car

25:56

when the video was taken?

26:17

After this conversation, I'm left wondering

26:20

how much rabbit knows. And

26:23

if true, How does

26:25

he know? After

26:27

my interview with Valerie, we continue

26:29

our conversations and she continues to

26:31

share information with me. Rabbit's

26:35

information about what happened to Britney ever

26:37

really seems to see back into our conversation.

26:41

I wonder about that. But

26:43

when I look back on things,

26:45

but when I look back on things, I realized

26:47

that the surest way to keep a secret is

26:50

to make people believe they already

26:52

know the answer. I'm

26:56

sent a post from a listener. In

26:58

this post, Valerie supporting some negative

27:00

words about me, shared by Ashley.

27:04

Some days later, when Valerie

27:06

and I are speaking I mentioned this post.

27:09

She tells me, just watch

27:11

and what I'm doing. Trust me

27:13

and dang it. I

27:16

did, though. I did.

27:19

My mistake. I guess

27:22

we have to be careful with who we tell our secrets

27:24

to. Because when

27:26

situations change, so

27:29

do people My

27:31

relationship with her ends shortly after.

27:35

In August of twenty twenty two,

27:38

Rabbit is in incarcerated. Our

27:41

communication comes to a halt for

27:43

the time being. Recently,

27:46

he heard his interview hit the podcast, Someone

27:50

he's in contact with sent me this message.

27:54

Hello. I was asked to send this message

27:56

to you. This message is from

27:58

Justin Gayhardt, rabbit. He

28:01

is currently incarcerated at Lagrange

28:03

County jail. He doesn't want

28:05

any attention right now while he's fighting his own

28:08

legal matters. You

28:10

can speak to him directly via his chirp,

28:12

His phone number is thank

28:15

you respectfully. Rabbit

28:23

goes on to say that if I chose to share

28:25

the information he provided, he'll delete

28:27

every text and message, and

28:30

it'll even go as far as closing the accounts.

28:34

I don't know. That seems like a stretch

28:36

to me. Would you

28:38

delete accounts just because you filmed the car

28:40

that you thought was following you and ask

28:42

people about it? Or

28:45

is there more there I haven't seen?

28:49

Kinda sounds like self preservation to me.

28:53

Not long after receiving this message from rabbit.

28:55

I received a forwarded voice

28:57

memo from Valerie. Let's

29:00

rabbit.

29:06

As far as mister Basiner, you

29:08

know, the one time I talked to him, I asked to lie

29:11

to him. Now I went up here

29:13

and glides I asked with both fucking feet.

29:15

And he figured out real quick, do not I

29:17

can open his mouth with my name

29:19

on it. I can make Saint

29:22

Joe and McGange

29:23

County, Berry on

29:25

welcome

29:25

me for mister Basin.

29:28

I'm seventy three of them right now. They will. Well,

29:31

look at Dental

29:34

per deposition, they can't find it. I

29:37

guess even he knows not

29:39

to

29:41

cross certain people's paths. You

29:44

know, and running putting my name out

29:46

of his mouth, that

29:48

dude don't know me for shit. That's

29:51

like this. It's a hometown. Home

29:54

town people. They care a hometown. I'm

29:56

a hometown boy. I make his little

29:59

wacky and he mad, made a fucking

30:01

glass real quick. And

30:04

I'll probably do that next time he comes into he's

30:08

not used to handle any things like the

30:10

way they're handled around here. And

30:13

I'm not talking about and bitch ass telling my

30:15

grange. I'm

30:18

talking about the ones and the white he talks about.

30:23

But I get him wants his little ratings

30:26

and, you know, he's the dork

30:28

and classified as and a few fucking trash

30:30

cans. And now he's just kinda like dissimilar

30:32

attention in a way. Whatever.

30:34

That's great. I didn't find the shit

30:36

entertaining, you know, the

30:38

story line, but gonna be just

30:39

like it's gonna be just like

30:42

it's gonna be just like at

30:45

the end of the day, Nomar's gonna give a fuck.

30:48

So he might as well enjoy his five

30:51

minutes to starlight because it's

30:54

not a last one. That's

30:57

where I could put my time into it. Nobody

31:00

literally gave a fuck.

31:05

In the message sent to me by rabbit's friend,

31:07

she provided a phone number as a way to contact

31:09

rabbit. So I sent a

31:11

text off that says, I

31:13

got your message. And wait

31:16

to see what I get back. Just

31:21

a few moments later. Rabbit responds

31:24

and has clearly mistaken me for someone else.

31:27

I sent him back an emoji of a rabbit.

31:30

And just like that,

31:33

the rabbit's out of the hat. Your

31:37

call has been accepted.

31:40

Hey. Hello? Hey,

31:43

brother. Thank god. I gotta hold you.

31:46

You doing alright? Yeah. Yeah. Who's

31:48

this?

31:50

Hey. It's rabbit. I

31:52

just got your text message.

31:54

You know what this is. Right?

32:00

I have no idea who this is. This

32:02

is James. Dreams.

32:08

Yeah.

32:11

Me too. Mister Baysinger? I

32:14

haven't talked about it. Oh,

32:16

hey, James. What's going on? Not

32:18

much. How are

32:19

you? No. I sent it to her. Oh,

32:22

well, you know, I'm surviving in here, bro.

32:27

What's with the message that you sent to her?

32:30

I never sent a message about me, and I've been in

32:32

here, bro. I've been in

32:35

here since May. I haven't talked

32:37

to Val in probably three or four months. Val

32:40

just sent me a voice memo from you

32:42

threatening me when I come back to town.

32:45

This is first time heard about it. I

32:47

don't talk to Valerie at forever, man.

32:49

I don't

32:50

even know how to get ahold of her number, and I have doesn't

32:52

work anymore. I'm

32:55

only focused on that night

32:57

what Eric was doing for you. He

32:59

was a runner. He was a

33:00

driver. You would never drive. I get that.

33:03

He was one of my drivers, and he

33:05

was never with me that night, though.

33:08

On the twenty ninth, Eric

33:10

confirms with you that he'll do the, let's

33:13

meet up and have a beer

33:14

conversation, which was designed

33:16

for You gotta you got something fun to

33:18

run.

33:19

This call will be terminated in two

33:22

minutes. I'm

33:23

gonna have to add time to my phone games.

33:26

Call me back. Dude, I grab it. I'm not trying

33:28

to look in your direction, but I will if I have to because just

33:31

trying to find out what happened with Eric and Britney

33:33

that night.

33:35

Well, I think you need to work on I

33:38

I think you need to work on the road.

33:42

Everything that I put together points back.

33:45

Okay. But I wanna know about that night on the thirtieth

33:47

where he was doing the dealing and why he wanted

33:49

to why he wanted to change the brakes in the car.

33:53

Where he was going that night with the run after

33:56

you said, let's go have a drink or go to school have a

33:58

beer and catch up. Where we see taking that on the thirtieth?

34:01

He was wondering, I know, to change the brakes on

34:03

the athlete's Explorer at night. But

34:05

where was he

34:05

sitting at? Would be terminated in one

34:09

minute. Where was he taking an appointment?

34:11

A couple dollars on here, James. I don't have

34:13

a lot of money, but I'll

34:16

I'll pay for

34:16

however I can do I'll pay for if you can find

34:18

a way where I can put money on on it to talk to you.

34:20

I'll pay for it. I don't care.

34:24

Alright. Alright. Yeah.

34:27

I got a couple of hours on my books,

34:29

like, been sitting for my dad, but Alright.

34:35

I'll call you back. It's gonna cut us off here in

34:37

a minute. I'll go over to the kiosk

34:39

and put two dollars on. I think got two,

34:41

but I Call me back, Justin.

34:44

I

34:44

will. I promise I'll call you right back. It will take me

34:46

minute to put the money on the phone.

34:50

Justin falls through. So

34:53

when's the last time you talked to Valerie? It's

34:57

not very much bad. Well,

35:00

I wanna make things very clear. Justin.

35:05

As a father? You're gonna make

35:08

sure you're gonna go home at night. Right? Right.

35:12

I'm gonna do the same thing.

35:14

Hadn't talked to Valerie since I got a light bag

35:16

up here. I wanna know

35:18

where in the front she

35:19

got, had just been in her past Well,

35:21

it's your recording, bro. Like, it's okay. So

35:23

it's but it's your recording. I ain't worried about it.

35:25

Honestly, that's small potatoes. I'm

35:27

worried about brick.

35:32

I am too.

35:34

I know that Eric was supposed to get

35:36

a car the next day to do a run

35:38

for

35:38

you. Yeah. It was supposed to have been

35:40

in Ashley's car. And

35:42

that would have been the Yeah.

35:44

The black score.

35:46

Did Eric do a run for you that night?

35:49

No. He did not. Why?

35:57

What was it? Let me think.

36:02

I think, ma'am, he wouldn't pay

36:04

it. I'm trying to purchase it. You're right.

36:08

I know he wasn't at at hash

36:10

the night that I said, even

36:13

he said that and said

36:15

his mom.

36:17

That's my biggest thing, rabbit. He's

36:19

saying he's at his moms, but Ashley saying

36:21

he was with her, they're each

36:23

other's alibi. If you care

36:25

about Britney and you care about finding out

36:27

the truth about What happened

36:30

to her? Now is the fucking

36:32

time. Yeah.

36:34

It doesn't make sense on what they're providing.

36:36

It doesn't make sense on their alibis. It doesn't

36:38

make sense why Ashley has to try to remember shit.

36:40

It doesn't make sense why Eric doesn't wanna be

36:42

cooperative when he was so forthcoming before.

36:48

Used his garage that night. Tell

36:50

you if he used his garage because that's one place

36:52

I could think. Why

36:54

all of a sudden is he persistent about asking

36:56

you about that?

36:59

I I do think that was his only ride.

37:02

That was his only ride, I believe. I

37:05

think off the Tahoe. I

37:07

think I don't know. That

37:10

that vehicle in in the drive thru of

37:12

McDonald's and it matching Sheldon's car

37:14

there's something else I haven't told you about.

37:16

And and I've been I've been holding off on

37:18

telling you this for a while. And let's

37:21

talk about it

37:22

tomorrow. I'd rather get my shit in line

37:24

before I just try to rush into this. Alright.

37:28

Okay. So what can I spell?

37:31

Gotcha. Watch for you to

37:33

help you connect the notch. I think I wanna

37:35

help you out. I really do. You're

37:37

helping Britney. Right. Right.

37:40

Well, I I can't hear you. On

37:43

it. I believe Eric on it

37:45

was you. Yeah. I can't I

37:47

guess, like I said, and I don't

37:49

know if I'm but,

37:53

I mean, it's just kinda hard to feel about it.

37:56

I I think he wants to be informed

37:58

about it, but that's just my opinion.

38:00

I should not be able to see that

38:03

without anything to back up. But I Pardon

38:06

me? I can't hear you, Bob.

38:09

Oh, I'm sorry. It's just it's just you

38:12

know, what should be quite?

38:15

Anything I can do to help you out with?

38:17

This call will be terminated in two

38:19

minutes.

38:22

And what I am going to pursue though is the

38:24

truth. And if the truth does

38:26

expose things that aren't good

38:30

Right. Yeah. I get that. I

38:32

wish to thank you, James.

38:35

This was your daughter. You would be like, hey, man.

38:38

Keep going.

38:40

I would almost

38:43

look on in the furnace.

38:46

Why what makes you say that though? I'm

38:48

talking to you about that.

38:51

I was taken here once. By who?

38:53

This call will be terminated in. One,

38:56

Minute.

38:57

By who? And

38:59

and I know who is probably just By

39:01

who? Who took you to that road? Buddy

39:07

in mind,

39:08

Jared. What makes you say

39:10

go look at that place? Just

39:14

the house here. Just the corner. I

39:17

don't know. It just seemed guarded. And

39:21

at people that was there. I

39:24

I still stopped it. Thank

39:26

you so

39:27

much. Bye. I've been wrong before.

39:29

I'm more than willing to talk to you about it.

39:32

I just I wanna be able to get through some

39:34

of my questions too. Alright.

39:37

Okay. I'll do The

39:44

rabbit you hear speaking to me in that call

39:47

doesn't sound like the same rabbit I heard in the voicemail

39:49

when Valerie sent me. It

39:51

immediately makes me wonder how

39:53

recent this voice memo is. During

39:56

my call with rabbit, he mentions a house

39:58

on the corner of a specific road I should look into

40:02

When I asked him why I should look in that direction,

40:04

he tells me he was taken there once. He

40:07

says the place was heavily guarded and the people

40:09

there gave him the bad vibes. Rabbit

40:13

refers to the Chuck Allen ring video as

40:16

the Scott video. He says

40:18

the video may have something to do with Britney's disappearance.

40:21

I assure him that I'll look into that

40:23

video further if he can address some of my

40:26

questions. Ending

40:29

the call with rabbit felt like walking away from something

40:31

long before it was due to be over. So

40:34

much of this case revolves around unfinished

40:37

business. I just hope this

40:39

interaction isn't another story with no ending.

40:43

In hopes that he'll call me back, I put money

40:45

on my phone account. I'm

40:47

really glad I did because

40:49

rabbit follows through the next day with

40:51

another call. And

40:56

you said to

40:57

me, Ashley told you,

40:59

Eric wasn't there the entire night. Yes.

41:02

And I know that he was supposed to do a run for

41:05

you for the drugs. Again, I don't

41:07

give a shit about that other stuff. Right. It's not

41:09

relevant. If she

41:11

was doing a delivery with Eric

41:13

or if Eric was sending her with somebody else,

41:17

no. They kind of had their

41:19

own going on. They had their

41:21

own thing going on?

41:24

Yeah. Actually, was

41:28

was once Eric was trying to

41:30

deal with a lot. So I'm

41:33

trying to remember to this one I was kinda alone

41:35

Eric.

41:38

I I can't remember on it.

41:40

Is your phone breaking up, man? I'm trying to

41:42

understand you. I won't. Alright.

41:44

Okay. I

41:46

know he was changing the brakes on Ashley's

41:49

car. Isn't it? I I

41:51

remember the day you're talking about. I don't know

41:54

if he didn't hold me to get money

41:56

or if he was gonna drive me that day.

41:59

Yeah. Tell him actually kind of had a thing

42:01

going on with, actually, attached

42:03

at the time where boyfriend did not match which

42:05

one he was, which was Curtis. What

42:08

did Eric deliver for you on the thirtieth?

42:13

That when I first picked up with Eric, I was

42:15

getting off, you know, which I actually had

42:17

a connection that I think out of the l

42:18

card. And

42:21

but he was going to my place because I didn't

42:23

drive.

42:24

Okay. But what was he dealing on the thirtieth?

42:29

On the thirtieth. I think that's when he

42:31

said he was changing brakes. Wasn't it?

42:32

No. That was after. That was

42:35

after. The night before I

42:39

remember I was trying to get a hold of

42:41

him and couldn't get a hold of him. I think it was

42:43

a night before. I was sure as the way I

42:45

could give you all my messages because that was a text

42:48

app.

42:48

When I looked back at your conversation history, it

42:51

didn't show that. So again,

42:53

I'm focused on what Eric was doing that night and

42:55

part of that is you're

42:57

somebody who provided him or he was a runner

42:59

for you. And that night,

43:01

I'm trying to figure out

43:03

where he went when he did that delivery because he

43:05

talked about borrowing a car on the twenty ninth.

43:08

No. He was taking me to to get.

43:11

That was pretty much my Eric's association.

43:14

His his he would drive me to where I needed

43:16

to go. At that point in time.

43:20

Yeah. I gotta kinda watch what I say on here

43:22

changes to a to a double edged sword for me.

43:26

But no as as far as

43:29

any any any

43:32

business transaction. He was

43:34

just he just drove me to where I needed to go,

43:36

to get me or whatever I was

43:38

getting. Okay. What we're on the thirtieth,

43:40

did he take you?

43:43

On the thirtieth, I don't think he took me anywhere.

43:46

So I think I was with Diana all that day.

43:49

And if I remember correctly, I stopped

43:51

at Powell's house that night,

43:54

and I was thinking on

43:56

that Well, my name first got

43:58

brought into this. I think Valerie had to pick up for

44:00

me because I was there and

44:02

scanner records would show it. Police scanner

44:05

records, they were looking for Cody Smith at

44:07

night on the scanner. On

44:09

the thirtieth?

44:12

I believe it was the thirtieth. It was the

44:14

thirtieth. Nice. He won that. He so

44:16

I'll look into the Cody Smith part and what they're looking

44:18

for. I'm familiar with the story, but

44:21

when talking to you and he's pretty

44:23

adamant the following days after the

44:25

thirtieth, he wants you to

44:27

help him find a garage to fix brakes

44:29

on a car. Yes.

44:32

Okay. Who's house yet to take his car to fix

44:34

the price? I

44:36

don't know. He said he had found a garage.

44:41

A day because I think I offered

44:43

her to bring it over to my place and

44:45

never bring it over. If I remember correctly,

44:49

they showed up and very

44:52

tight stuff few days later was

44:55

confined to me. My

44:57

room to the car had a hotspot in it.

44:59

The one that he had, and that would have been the

45:01

black Explorer newer model, which

45:03

would have been the one round box store. With

45:06

that car, it's it's like to get

45:08

records since it has a hotspot through Ford,

45:11

you would be able to track wherever that car was

45:14

at any time. It's just like cell phone.

45:16

Since we gotta pay a bill on it, and

45:18

it's gotta have service. So therefore, it has to have

45:21

GPS on that car. One

45:23

time. Okay. Did

45:26

I send you my text app conversations

45:30

when I was out?

45:32

You no. You didn't send me the whole thing. What you

45:34

did send was some messenger stuff, which is what

45:36

I'm looking at right now.

45:40

He says on November twenty ninth, no,

45:43

you say to him at eight thirty four

45:45

PM. When

45:47

you wanna get together, been a while have a beer

45:49

catch up. We've already talked about that's we

45:51

know what that means. He says tomorrow

45:54

if I can find a car borrow. Then

45:57

you guys have the long company of some work exchanges

45:59

between the two of you. But then on the

46:01

thirtieth, you guys don't there's no communication at

46:04

all other than him saying to you,

46:06

hey bro, at eleven forty PM on the thirtieth.

46:09

There's no conversations on the thirtieth

46:11

prior to that.

46:15

I might have tried to get a hold of him to the attached

46:17

app. And if I had changed,

46:21

I I got record of because I still have all

46:23

the text message. It might take longer to

46:25

use the passwords to them, but they never changed.

46:30

But I know there was a time that

46:32

I tried to get hold of him throughout the night,

46:34

and he didn't get hold of me. And when I did get

46:36

hold of him, It was one I sent the video.

46:39

Same one. I sent the baby one and two other people.

46:41

And the first thing you said was, I

46:43

was at my mom's point.

46:45

That that's hurting me for me.

46:48

When he says to you on the first of December,

46:51

hey, bro. You busy. You respond kinda

46:53

sort of for a little bit. What's up, bud? He

46:56

said, needed a favor, something we talked about the

46:58

other day.

46:59

What did you say that was in reference to? When he says

47:01

he need to talk to you about what we or what we talked

47:03

about the other day?

47:08

I know there was a time period in there. He wanted

47:10

to borrow his either two hundred or two hundred and fifty

47:12

dollars, but think that was was

47:14

what it was. He just wanted cash on. I

47:17

forget what the hell he said it was for.

47:20

I think it might have been there for a

47:22

vehicle for

47:24

his vehicle. But

47:26

I remember he wanted it was a two hundred dollar

47:28

increment that he wanted.

47:32

For me, it's kinda hard to understand why he wouldn't

47:34

just say, hey, can I borrow that two hundred? But why? I

47:36

mean, to me, that's a little discrete for you to

47:37

say, hey. I need to talk to you about, you know, what we talked about

47:40

that one day?

47:42

It just seems a little too discreet to be saying it

47:44

that way. needed to favor something we talked about the

47:46

other day. Right. Know what I'm saying? Like, it

47:49

sounds like when you guys say, hey, let's go

47:51

catch up and have a beer. Let's go catch up and have you

47:53

know, I know what that means now. Right.

47:56

Right. I I don't know if that was the only

47:58

one of the papers he's ever asked me to to

48:00

really do for him to change. Trying

48:04

to remember back. You gotta figure that was,

48:06

what,

48:06

nineteen, twenty twenty one, twenty twenty five

48:09

years ago. Shorten later

48:11

that day. He says, what up? And you're like, hey, I'm closed

48:13

for a few days. Dark red Ford definitely tailed.

48:15

I waited that Taco Bell right before we

48:17

did, and you you explained the whole situation to

48:19

him. You

48:22

also mentioned, like, closing up shop for a

48:24

while and getting out of town because putting some

48:26

money together. That is the purpose

48:28

of you putting that money together and getting out of town.

48:32

To to be able to be out of town,

48:34

because I hold the couch around me. Pretty

48:37

hard at that time. No. Because I never

48:39

in car I figured the cops. They're

48:42

zooming in. Is what I was trying to

48:44

figure. So

48:47

I was trying to shut down and

48:50

and R and R were a little bit. What's

48:53

the game plan? There

48:56

are two different things that

48:58

I had to do at number one. I was pretty

49:00

spun out. Okay. To

49:04

you know, there was cars I've already ridden

49:06

past my dad's and stuff that I've heard was

49:08

the authorities. And stuff.

49:10

And it just it all add up to when I was on

49:12

the run. I never saw

49:14

it in one

49:15

place. And it was from

49:17

what I recall, I believe it was pretty good,

49:19

nice morning.

49:20

So that night after McDonald's, when you take that

49:22

video, where do you and where do you go after

49:25

that? I

49:27

believe I've I've went back to

49:29

Nahuwah. I

49:32

either went to Nahuwah or I went to Sarnia's

49:34

and Sturgess. I'm not sure.

49:36

Usually, when I was with Diana, I stayed

49:38

with Diana. But every once in a

49:39

while, she dropped me off with my friends there in Sturgess,

49:42

which was out there by Gary. Fourth

49:46

of December. It seems pretty

49:48

persistent about coming to see you, and he's even

49:50

willing to come to you on foot. Did

49:52

Eric ever walk to you cross down from

49:54

Sturgis all the way to dad's house? Because

49:56

that's a quite a long amount. Yeah.

50:00

No. He never never walked that

50:02

far.

50:03

He would've had to drove to me to

50:06

to

50:06

my dad's place. If I just

50:08

saw his, yeah, he can walk there. No.

50:10

He couldn't walk to me.

50:14

On December fifth, he's, like, I need to get I need

50:16

a garage ASAP to get these brakes fixed,

50:18

but put it off because he said he was on

50:20

your way to me this

50:21

morning. I mean, he's really adamant

50:23

about you assisting in helping him with these brakes.

50:26

That was really from what I

50:28

took as a brake strap, and I never seen

50:30

a brake, so I never messed with the car.

50:33

But, yeah, I remember him being adamant about

50:35

trying to trying to get him

50:37

done. And I think he started the day before

50:39

when he done.

50:41

Get to a point where you guys he sent

50:43

you a picture on December ninth of

50:46

Britney. A few days after

50:48

on missing for me to even know that he wasn't

50:50

missing, and he finally told me. I

50:53

believe it was a couple days after he was

50:55

missing. He said he was

50:57

looking for his wife or his wife was missing

51:00

or he was trying to contact her or something

51:02

that should be in the messages or James.

51:05

Do you have a text now conversation thread

51:07

that you're able to possibly look at and

51:09

provide to me correct?

51:11

Yes. What I'm gonna try to do is I'm gonna try to

51:14

reach out. I got a friend of mine trying to deal with Amy,

51:16

and I'm just gonna send you my phones.

51:18

You got about ten phones. You're gonna have to go through change.

51:21

But one of them will be from them. I

51:23

have every phone that I've ever that I've

51:25

ever

51:25

had. And I think that that

51:28

might help you a little bit more. I

51:30

wish to change

51:31

my car key. Why won't you talk?

51:35

He didn't hear no. She's

51:40

she's worried about, I don't know,

51:42

ma'am. I I honestly don't.

51:45

And her go hang on tight, I don't see why he

51:47

doesn't. A month. She's super prepared to get caught

51:49

up in the next. Has he ever talked to

51:51

you about, Tommy?

51:54

No. It was pretty short, sweetheart.

51:57

I know he said he was looking forward and he

51:59

seemed kinda adamant about it. And

52:02

I didn't really I mean,

52:04

yeah, I spent some time with him, but I didn't really

52:07

take it with Eric. We're

52:10

just a lot different, I guess. I'm

52:12

not gonna down the guy because, you know,

52:14

me with the idea of Chuck Allen. How can I

52:16

feel about that? If if he does, do you hate

52:19

the car and stuff because, you know, I accused somebody of something

52:21

they didn't do. And I thought I was for sure

52:23

of, so I hate to bash the guy jeans.

52:26

And, you know, with with the truck, I don't think. And

52:28

that that that was on me because I was for

52:30

sure that he knew something

52:32

he was the driver that car and showed

52:34

him the video. And I was totally

52:36

wrong from the sounds of it. So III

52:38

hate to string the dude up. If you

52:40

didn't do it, I see how that's worked with Jessica because

52:43

I believe Jessica didn't have nothing to do with it, and

52:45

I've seen people cruiser fire. She came

52:47

drunk public, and she came even more

52:49

than her daughter. But

52:52

I caught her up in a lot of shit too.

52:55

Throughout those days. You know,

52:57

from when I sent him the vehicle or the car

53:00

to him saying he was at Ashley's

53:02

and saying he wasn't at Ashley's. And

53:05

shit like that. Did

53:08

I catch one of the things that didn't seem like

53:10

they were a point on. Yeah. And I

53:12

say the boy theater had a part of it, you know.

53:15

Because I don't know. I'll

53:18

give you any info that that I know when

53:20

I know his facts, and I'll be my best

53:22

to remember any name. You know, you had my

53:24

word on name. You know, my words are good.

53:29

Obviously, I've talked to Valerie quite a bit.

53:33

Val and I had pretty decent

53:35

relationship for a good period of time. During

53:39

that time, she actually shared her Facebook account

53:42

with me. And

53:45

I went back and I looked at some of the conversations

53:47

between the two of you and I wanna kinda go over

53:49

this this conversation thread

53:52

between the two of you. And it's on

53:54

May thirty first twenty twenty.

54:01

You say, hey, off the subject, got something,

54:03

and I know he was getting a lot

54:05

or but it's solid. Valerie says,

54:07

what's that? You respond When

54:10

I get time and I'm solo call,

54:13

no recording but have pen and paper in hand

54:15

when I do. Valerie says, okay. You

54:18

respond, I'll want notes Valerie

54:20

says, and I've never recorded you dork.

54:23

You respond, and Valerie, I

54:25

don't know where you got the info. Valerie

54:28

says, won't start now unless you tell me to.

54:31

She continues what they're talking about.

54:34

You respond, but I know who to give it

54:36

to. Valerie says, I'm lost. You

54:40

remember this conversation?

54:43

I remember somewhat of the conversation. I

54:46

believe that's when the when the

54:48

hype of everything started coming out.

54:51

I believe that I thought Jade was

54:53

in on that and BJ. But

54:56

after that, the Jade had asked me too much

54:58

about her to think that that she

55:00

was part of it.

55:02

If I remember correctly, James. And

55:04

I had a lot of conversations with Valerie as you

55:06

can see there.

55:09

Yeah. I'll continue. So

55:12

Valerie tells you that she's lost and

55:14

your time

55:15

like, your rep your response her is November

55:17

twenty ninth twenty eighteen.

55:22

Yeah. Yep. That would

55:24

have been that would have been the whole j

55:26

deal. Valerie

55:28

says I got a lot of info from a lot of different

55:30

sources. Okay. I'll need more than

55:32

that to work. You said no, one hundred percent

55:35

fact. On my kids.

55:38

Valerie says I have info on that date

55:41

or that's why I need paper. You

55:43

respond, no. Last week seeing

55:46

each other, you said to me about a certain

55:48

case, talking about

55:50

the info you gathered on that certain case.

55:53

You continue -- Yeah. -- to inflow our dot is one

55:55

hundred percent fat, and it'll

55:58

connect every dot. Valerie says, Lord,

56:00

Justin, we fucking talking about a lot of cases.

56:03

And then you were -- Right. -- b dot

56:05

s, which is short for British

56:07

English. Right.

56:10

That I sent her pictures after that? No.

56:12

Valerie says, okay. You say down to

56:14

the bloody car in his whereabouts?

56:18

That was one that said

56:20

that the white car was in

56:22

Scott, Indiana at her

56:24

boyfriend Toni's. And I

56:27

said it's about representing Val was working with

56:29

the authorities at that time. As

56:31

you he was in pretty good connection, I

56:33

believe, at that time, with him. I

56:36

believe I can. I was on the run, but

56:39

I don't know if ever got about ten to games or

56:41

not. But that's the one you need to

56:43

talk to. It'd be time think

56:45

it ever finder. There's one

56:48

other that was kind of

56:50

muscled until the tinker knows out of it

56:52

that knew a lot of

56:54

stuff. The the pictures that was bringing up from

56:56

the Cadillac. He's the one that

56:58

pointed in the mask where characters they

57:00

were.

57:03

But off record. Okay.

57:06

Because I'll give you her info. You

57:11

guys are continuing to talk about stuff, but

57:13

you say on the on the thirty first to May thirty

57:15

first, how when, why, where, Bernie

57:18

Shank edited, ended, ended, and where

57:20

the scene is, who covers it, etcetera.

57:22

And you were talking about her in check getting paid.

57:25

And getting paid for this. As

57:28

it goes on, you actually mentioned the

57:30

number of individuals involved, you said Tuohy's

57:32

family one was sent away and the other and

57:34

the other was dead.

57:35

Yep.

57:41

There would've been Cody. There would've

57:43

been Errol. There

57:45

was been when I thought it was Chuck Allen.

57:49

Nate Anchor. Now, hopefully, I

57:51

got the Nate Anchor Nancy, he saw it on the feet

57:53

to go out of Scott, Indiana. The exact

57:55

word he said is is either a or

57:57

nay. A. Once you're

57:59

doing nigger. Curt, come on. If

58:02

he saw it down and turned it off, that's exactly

58:04

what's it. They're all short. It's it's

58:06

still one gas doing gas at bullshit. Anybody

58:10

can slow that video

58:11

down. Okay. Do they buy you them out? And

58:13

and understand exactly what's being said.

58:16

This call will be terminated in two

58:18

minutes. You

58:20

want don't give me a callback.

58:23

The guys are here now. Is there any way I can call

58:25

you back tomorrow, James?

58:26

Yeah. No. That's fine. Are

58:28

you sure? Yeah. That

58:30

that works for me. Okay.

58:33

Alright. Alright.

58:35

I'll give you a callback. See you tomorrow at the same

58:37

time. Yep. Same place. Yep. Yep.

58:39

That sounds good.

58:41

Alright, man. I bendings

58:44

and stuff that I told you there, James. Make

58:46

sure that doesn't get

58:47

broadcasted. Alright? Alright,

58:50

brother. I will talk to you tomorrow then.

58:51

Okay. Sounds good.

58:56

Minutes after my call with rabbit. He sends

58:58

me three separate text messages reassuring

59:00

me that he's going to help me, but

59:03

he needs to be careful what he says. Roger

59:07

that. I

59:09

asked rabbit if Britney could have gone on a run

59:11

with or for Eric. He

59:14

tells me, no. They

59:16

kinda had their own thing going on. He

59:19

continues on with more information telling me

59:21

that before being taken into custody on

59:23

November twenty ninth, twenty eighteen,

59:26

Ashley's boyfriend pocket was Eric's

59:28

plug. I asked rabbit

59:31

about Eric's request to use his garage

59:33

to repair brakes. We know Eric

59:35

didn't have a vehicle. So whose

59:37

car was this? Rabbit

59:39

tells me that Eric was fixing Ashley's brakes.

59:43

During my interview, I'm constantly

59:45

gauging how far I can push my inquiries in

59:48

a conversation without being hung

59:50

up on. There's a balance to

59:52

this and I recognize that. I'm

59:54

cognizant that people can feel threatened by questioning

59:57

even when it's not meant to be. I

1:00:00

pushed rabbit for more answers and asked

1:00:02

multiple times where Eric took him on November

1:00:04

thirtieth. His answers

1:00:06

are vague. Apparently, Valerie

1:00:09

stood up for rabbit, giving him an alibi

1:00:11

by saying he was at her house the night Britney

1:00:14

went missing. He says

1:00:16

that while he was at Valeneries, they were

1:00:18

listening to a police scanner and heard

1:00:21

a call about a local guy named Cody. Cody

1:00:24

just so happens to be the guy that was in the back

1:00:26

of Chuck's car during the ring video.

1:00:30

Rabbit believes this night at Valenerys

1:00:32

was November thirtieth.

1:00:34

Now, rabbit does have a good point when

1:00:36

he mentions Ash's car having a hotspot.

1:00:39

For

1:00:40

those

1:00:40

who aren't familiar, a hotspot

1:00:42

is physical location where people can access

1:00:44

Internet via a wireless

1:00:46

local area network with a router that

1:00:48

connects to an Internet service provider. A

1:00:51

portable hotspot device or

1:00:53

a mobile hotspot on your phone as a way

1:00:55

to share your high speed data to connect

1:00:57

more devices to the Internet and more places.

1:01:00

In the best part, a

1:01:02

hotspot can track your location if

1:01:04

enabled in your

1:01:05

vehicle. If

1:01:07

you recall, and JJ told

1:01:10

me that Ashley had a GPS tracker in her

1:01:12

car.

1:01:14

More recently, Dale Guffy told

1:01:17

me JJ tore Ashley's car apart looking

1:01:19

for the tracking or hot spot

1:01:20

device. If

1:01:22

rabbit is right, and Ashley's car does

1:01:25

have Internet accessibility. I

1:01:27

wonder if the car's location history is available.

1:01:31

Rabbit tells me he's willing to give me his devices.

1:01:35

I've heard that before. It's

1:01:37

yet to be determined as to how reliable

1:01:39

that statement

1:01:40

is. Like

1:01:42

I just said, we just talked

1:01:44

last week.

1:01:48

When I asked him about Jay talking to me,

1:01:52

he gives me a negatory

1:01:53

homeboy. We'll

1:01:57

see about that.

1:02:10

Next time on hide and seek.

1:02:15

Jade. Right? Yes. I've

1:02:20

been good. I are you? I

1:02:25

don't know how to describe it other than

1:02:28

we just kinda of, like, connected, you

1:02:30

know? He

1:02:32

did kind of, like, start acting

1:02:34

strange after he lost his

1:02:36

water with Britney. He

1:02:40

moves into, like, burning things and fires.

1:02:46

Felt I was really strange. You know what I mean? Like, I

1:02:48

was like, what the fuck is going on

1:02:51

with this guy? I

1:02:53

just know that he took some fuel stuff,

1:02:56

from the garage at Wayne. He

1:03:01

just had this firefish that,

1:03:03

like, produced. And I never seen him

1:03:06

act like that before. There

1:03:11

was like at least ten thousand dollars

1:03:13

that were gone. Yeah.

1:03:17

I had like ten thousand dollars just come up

1:03:19

missing. He

1:03:21

would ask me weird things about like

1:03:26

Do you think, you know, my wife is

1:03:28

doing this or, like I

1:03:32

was, like, I don't really don't

1:03:35

really know. Like, what the fuck are you talking about,

1:03:37

dude? He'd

1:03:40

be like, do you sense that she's dead. And

1:03:42

I'm like, I don't know. Eric, I really don't.

1:03:54

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