11:59

I'm saying and so

12:02

that's how I know it was four times.

12:04

Yes. Okay. I

12:07

know I'd asked you this question before but your

12:10

time with Eric I mean when he's He's

12:13

there's a does he walk from where

12:15

Wayne used to live to stir just multiple

12:17

times or was this like a one-time deal? Like

12:20

no, it was like we would meet up and like

12:22

he would do this multiple times So it wasn't just one

12:24

specific time But I do know that one specific

12:26

time he told me where he would park

12:28

that and that's where I brought up the marathon

12:30

gas station There were multiple times

12:33

where there'd be like five of us all like, you

12:35

know We'd all like kind of meet up and see where

12:37

we're at and like they would ask for help and we just

12:39

kind of have A session together like we

12:42

use music and stuff It was just kind of a group thing

12:44

and then like yeah, he would just skidaddle,

12:46

you know and walk so all

12:49

right, so other question I have is did

12:52

Did

12:53

Rabbit ever talk to you or Eric ever talked

12:55

to you about counterfeit money making? Yes,

12:59

I don't know about

13:01

them making it, but I remember them having

13:04

it and they were kind of like going around

13:06

and buying things. And

13:09

I don't know if someone got caught, but I know Rabbit

13:11

was a little bit sketchy and sketched out about

13:13

a lot of stuff pertaining to money.

13:17

So you saw the counterfeit money yourself? Yes,

13:20

I did. How real did it look?

13:25

The fives and the 20s, those look legit

13:28

if you didn't really pay attention. You know what I'm saying? The

13:30

hundred dollar bills, nah. Like you

13:32

could definitely tell. Like they had to work on that, but like

13:34

I didn't ever see them make that shit, but like

13:37

the fives and the 20s, they looked like legit.

13:40

And when I started working at the gas station, I

13:42

started to notice more of that shit coming through, not

13:45

just from them, it was like, you know, other people

13:47

like that they had either done like deals with

13:49

or whatever, but I knew that some shit

13:52

was going down. And Rabbit would always tell me

13:54

like, Jade, just stay away, you don't want

13:56

a part of this shit. So I didn't really

13:59

ask questions, but I...

20:00

else would say something bizarre about you. You

20:03

all think this shit is a game or something. It's

20:05

fucking not. You all talk

20:07

every single one of you and bust your dumb

20:10

ass selves out every time. I

20:12

don't believe in coincidences, and if

20:14

this is, Jay, that's pretty fucking

20:16

low for you to pull something like this on

20:18

someone that's not only been your friend, no

20:21

matter what you may get yourself into, but

20:23

I consider you as my brother.

20:25

This shit has gone way too far, for far

20:27

too long.

20:29

If she's not dead, make it a big deal that

20:31

she's found. If she is dead, make

20:33

it a big deal. Her kids finally will

20:36

have closure. Everyone can talk, but

20:38

nobody can fucking bring closure to her family and

20:40

friends. But goddamn. Most

20:43

of all, closure for her children. I

20:45

don't give two fucks who's a snitch and who's not

20:47

a snitch. I don't run with the crowd. So

20:50

send your little attachments of someone I have no clue

20:52

who it even is to others that give a

20:54

fuck. What others do in their life as

20:57

long as it's not hurting a child or fucking with those I love

20:59

and care about, I can care less what they're running

21:01

their mouths about. I guess those worried

21:03

about who's being a snitch must be doing something that

21:05

they shouldn't be doing and putting themselves

21:07

around individuals they shouldn't be. There's

21:10

more to life than to wonder who's loyal and

21:12

who to trust.

21:13

It really turns to my stomach that whoever

21:16

you are, you wanted to message me saying

21:18

that you saw whatever happened made no

21:20

sense to me. What others do in their

21:22

life, as long as it's not hurting a child or

21:24

fucking with those I love and care about, I can

21:26

care less what they're running their mouths about.

21:29

I guess those worried about who's being a snitch

21:31

must be doing something that they shouldn't be doing and

21:34

putting themselves around individuals they shouldn't be.

21:37

There's more to life than to wonder who's loyal and

21:39

who to trust. It really turns

21:41

my stomach that whoever you are, you

21:43

wanted to message me saying that you saw

21:45

whatever happened, made no sense to

21:47

me, but then send me a photo saying

21:50

someone is a snitch? Stupid.

21:52

If by any means, you know something,

21:55

keep that shit to yourself, and just bring

21:57

closure to everyone and find wherever she may

21:59

be.

25:42

friend,

26:00

to see if she could facilitate a meeting between JJ

26:03

and myself. In

26:05

our opinion, the receipt is

26:07

a big deal. I

26:10

think Ashley recognizes this, and

26:13

that's why she's pointing the finger straight at you, JJ.

26:17

At the time of this interview,

26:19

I hadn't yet shared the information we discovered

26:21

on the podcast.

26:24

how it went.

26:56

Anybody I know? Do you want?

26:58

No. So JJ

27:02

is there. Yeah. JJ

27:06

told you how our last conversation went? Kind of. Kind

27:10

of?

27:10

Yours and James' last conversation. He

27:13

said he don't remember.

27:15

He don't really remember. Okay.

27:21

We're still on that understanding just that

27:23

we're not gonna we're not gonna talk about it Are

27:26

you are you guys on that understanding

27:28

that you're not gonna talk about it? Yes

27:32

or no

27:36

Yeah Okay,

27:40

yeah, well, I'm uh, I mean like

27:42

I said the stuff's gonna come out I'm gonna

27:44

start releasing stuff I'm gonna start releasing

27:47

more and more info and this is the opportunity

27:49

that I'm putting out before you guys Just because

27:51

I don't want this to be something where it's like, okay Well,

27:53

he didn't get a chance to be able to say his side

27:56

of the story I'm

27:58

gonna be unapologetic like I'm telling you.

30:00

No, no, no, no, go back to that. What

30:03

did he just say? He said, Ashley did it. Eric

30:05

did it. How does he know that? Don't

30:07

be a person. I'm not a person. I'm a person who thought.

30:09

He said meet him in person. Let's talk. I'm

30:11

going to be. OK. Get him on the phone. One more

30:13

time. Just at least throw me on speaker.

30:16

All right. All

30:18

right. JJ,

30:22

I'll meet you in person, but

30:24

you just told me Ashley and Eric

30:26

that you thought that whether you thought or that

30:28

you know that they did it. I

30:31

think they did. Oh,

30:34

shit, I know, shit, I know they did it. I

30:36

ain't gonna answer that question. This is my fucking

30:38

point. You were with them around that time. I've

30:40

never again put you in that circle that you

30:43

were responsible. I'm telling you, you were

30:45

around them during the time shortly

30:47

after she went missing. I have questions about Eric

30:50

and

30:50

Ashley, not about JJ.

30:55

Then I thought you guys got pulled over. I

30:58

want to go back to when he started even going

31:00

around Ashley. He's like, when did that start? When

31:02

did you see Brittany there? They got a whole ball of

31:04

room for it.

31:08

I'm not talking on this fucking phone. What

31:11

the fuck? Did you get the concept? OK. He

31:13

doesn't trust the phone. That's why I'm going to

31:15

do it in person. Tell

31:18

you what, Kim, I'm going to be back this

31:20

October. OK. But

31:23

I'm concerned that time's going to go by, and

31:25

he's going to change his mind he's not going to talk. I

31:28

know that's what I'm afraid of. But my question

31:30

is this. He just said to me he whether

31:32

he thinks or thought or how he feels,

31:35

I'm trying to figure out if that's just an opinion or is there

31:37

more there? Both.

31:43

This is what I told you before. There's a receipt

31:46

where Ashley says I found this

31:48

in my car after JJ took it. That

31:52

receipt was to Brittany's account the

31:54

night she went missing. She's

31:58

putting JJ on the-

34:00

You ever seen Britney's phone? No. He

34:03

just asked Dean questions. He doesn't think.

34:16

I guess Eric found a back of the phone like 60

34:19

yards from the wreck. It

34:22

was passed, what the? The

34:25

long driveway house?

34:28

The short driveway house? The young

34:30

kids house? The first house. The young

34:32

kids house? The big beautiful house. The big two story

34:34

house. Oh, okay. With all the binders.

34:36

Right. So

34:39

the fire house.

34:40

Okay, I'll stay in

34:42

contact with you. I'll text you right now, but

34:45

I'm going to be back there. I'm...

34:51

When the question is thrown out there,

34:54

I asked JJ if this is his opinion

34:57

or if this is something he knows. His

35:00

answer? Both.

35:04

JJ didn't know or hang out with Ashley until

35:06

December 23,

35:09

2018. He said previously that he didn't

35:11

meet her until the day he and Eric

35:14

are searching in the woods for Brittany, and

35:16

Eric calls Ashley to come pick them up.

35:19

This is nearly a month after Brittany vanished.

35:22

For Ashley's position about how she obtained the

35:25

receipt to make It would

35:27

require JJ holding on to Britney's receipt

35:29

for almost three months, then

35:31

tossing Britney's receipt into his trash and

35:34

thoughtlessly giving it to Ashley. Ashley

35:38

discovers the receipt and even though at the time

35:40

she doesn't know that it's Britney's, she

35:42

decides it's relevant enough to

35:45

take a picture of. If

35:47

you recall, Ashley says

35:49

she doesn't note the card number matching Britney's

35:52

Walmart money card. Shasta,

35:55

who you heard from in episode 33,

35:57

is the one who eventually figures out that piece of information

37:53

is

38:00

concerning because if JJ

38:03

is behind this, as you suggest,

38:06

why wouldn't you want to inform law enforcement that

38:08

you have potential evidence that could

38:10

implicate someone in your best friend's disappearance?

38:14

The fact that Britney's receipt isn't the most vital point

38:17

of your own investigation

38:18

is alarming.

38:21

You put so much focus and energy on other

38:23

individuals in your investigation, but

38:26

I don't hear much about how JJ needs to answer for

38:28

the receipt. Maybe

38:31

it's because JJ never had it.

38:35

Remember when you said

38:40

that if you wanted your story to be told differently,

38:44

you should have acted differently when it was being

38:46

written. Well,

38:53

let's see how you write the next few pages your story.

38:58

Contact the detective and share

39:00

with him how you obtained Britney's

39:03

receipt

39:05

what you did with it.

39:33

So friends,

39:37

here we are, 24 months, 39 episodes

39:39

in. We've

39:43

come to a crossroad. Where

39:46

do we go from here? After

39:50

three seasons and 84 episodes, I've

39:53

learned a lot about investigating missing person cases.

39:57

When I start a season, I

39:59

see it through to the end.

43:59

place Brittany and his mother

44:01

weren't aware of.

44:06

On December 6, 2018, two

44:08

days prior to Brittany being reported missing by

44:10

her father, Ashley shares

44:13

a photo of herself flipping the camera off with

44:16

an illustration of a cow in the corner. Inside

44:20

the cow are the words,

44:22

don't be dot s

44:25

dot me darling. At

44:28

first glance, this looks like don't bullshit

44:31

me, but the BS

44:34

is separated by periods, typical

44:36

of initials.

44:38

Her status accompanying this picture says,

44:42

I know more than I say, think more

44:44

than I speak, notice more

44:46

than you realize. In

44:49

case you missed it, this is two days

44:51

prior to Greg reporting Brittany's disappearance. Two

44:54

days prior to Ashley and Eric knowing that

44:57

Brittany was missing.

45:00

Allegedly.

45:06

In December of 2018, Sheldon

45:09

sends Brittany a message on her Brittany Keltner

45:11

account. One would assume

45:14

this message would go eternally

45:16

unopened since it's sent after

45:19

Brittany's disappearance.

45:21

However, upon gaining

45:23

access to Sheldon's account, we

45:26

saw that this message to Brittany was opened and

45:28

read on July 17, 2019,

45:32

10 days after Ashley gains access

45:34

to Brittany's BB Gods plan account. Coincidence?

45:39

You know how I feel about those. While

45:42

we're on the subject of Facebook, let's

45:45

discuss missing messages in the Facebook

45:47

data the download we were provided by Ashley. In

45:50

the version of the download we were provided, we

45:53

see a conversation between Ashley, who's

45:55

using Britney's BBGuzz plan account

45:58

and Rockford the...

45:59

PI. He notices that

46:02

Britney's account is active nine

46:04

months after her disappearance. In

46:07

this version of the conversation, we see

46:09

just three messages beginning

46:11

on July 8th at 10.02 PM

46:14

with the PI saying, Hello.

46:19

10.09 PM the PI says,

46:22

Who is on this account? 10.11 PM.

46:27

The last message is sent by the PI. He

46:29

says,

46:29

This isn't a joke.

46:32

You need to tell me who you are. In

46:36

this version, there are no

46:38

other messages and no responses.

46:45

In an alternate version, the messages

46:47

start at the same time, 10 or

46:49

2pm with the PI saying, Hello.

46:53

The next two messages are the same and occur at

46:55

the same time as our version of the data download.

46:58

But in this version though,

47:00

the messages continue.

47:02

Pass just the three shown in our version.

47:08

On July 9th, the PI says, 1000, deliver

47:12

me this phone. Cash, no

47:15

names needed. The

47:17

messages pick up on July 10th,

47:20

with the response coming from Britney's account at

47:22

150 pm. It's

47:25

me. Now we do

47:27

things my way. Right?

47:30

Less than a minute later, Rockford

47:33

responds with a simple, yes.

47:38

The difference in the data downloads is remarkable

47:41

considering the information that's

47:43

been removed is only beneficial

47:45

to one person.

47:48

While we're on the subject,

47:50

this version of the data download It

47:52

has a download date of August 1st, 2019. Oh,

47:57

and hold up. August 1st.

49:58

Recently, Ashley

50:01

told a recounting of Eric being sent to get air

50:03

in the tire of her SUV on the night Brittany disappears.

50:07

In one version of this story, Ashley

50:10

says needing air in the tire was a result of

50:12

hitting a deer. When?

50:14

I don't know.

50:16

In a second version of this story, she

50:19

hit a deer after retrieving her SUV

50:21

from impound December 24, 2018, the

50:25

day after Eric and JJ are pulled over. it's

50:28

interesting that these stories about hitting a deer

50:31

have such major discrepancies. Annihilated

50:34

a family of deer, total this car.

50:39

And I just remember thinking, how convenient

50:42

you're gonna need in that lane, like immediately.

50:48

That's all I think was how convenient. Like your car

50:50

is gone now. It's total, it's

50:52

gone gone. They're never gonna be able to go through it again.

50:55

Did you see the car?

50:59

About three weeks ago I restored

51:02

one of my accounts. What

51:04

is the real significance of this dear entire story?

51:09

In a recent conversation, Ashley tells

51:11

our source that she thinks Eric was

51:13

preparing for Brittany's disappearance. Going

51:16

on to say that he decided

51:18

to turn his location on three

51:20

days prior to November 30th as part

51:22

of his plan.

51:26

Eric,

51:27

it sounds like she's coming straight for you, Doug.

51:31

If there was a time to be big mad, this

51:33

might be it. The

51:36

ancient Greek playwright Sophocles once

51:38

wrote, he escapes

51:41

who is not pursued.

51:47

While we're away, we're counting

51:49

on our hide and seek family to keep the bonfire

51:51

burning. instead

51:53

of next time,

51:55

on hide and seek?

51:56

I'll just say. See

51:59

you soon.