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2:00

There is anything that will come from the

2:02

same thing again. Until

2:04

today. The stories

2:06

they tell are pretty freaking gruesome. They're pretty freaking

2:08

gruesome. I

2:11

kept all the text messages, Facebook

2:13

messages, the messages between

2:15

me and Brittany. I have all of them. I

2:18

have everything. I told them I said I'll kill

2:21

all of them, motherfuckers. And I was going

2:23

to have my people fucking take care

2:25

of me. I'll

2:28

just be freaking mean. I didn't know where to

2:30

see what somebody said. Is this all

2:32

from the real truth? It's the real

2:34

truth. It's the best decision

2:36

I've ever made. It

2:39

is. And they don't believe anything about the writing.

2:42

It is as well.

2:44

This is hide and seek. This

2:46

is brief. It's very brief. I'm

2:49

not talking about it. I'm not

2:51

talking about it. I'm

2:53

talking about it.

3:19

I'm

3:24

talking about the story of Brittany's family. Most

3:27

of us can't even imagine how devastatingly impactful those words

3:31

were to hear. Let's

3:33

recap before

3:35

we move into today's episode. We went over the suspect board

3:37

and everyone we were able to remove from it. We

3:42

also addressed a few people we didn't feel confident in removing yet. We

3:47

heard from a witness we referred to

3:49

as Skyler. We

3:52

had a victim's

3:55

car that made her way to the two

3:57

homes that she went to that another

3:59

person, up. We

4:02

felt we can reasonably assume that Brittany

4:04

wasn't the one who called Person B for a ride. Skyler

4:07

said that Person B had knowledge of a debt

4:09

Brittany owed to a mutual friend. Skyler

4:15

told me that Person B brought Brittany

4:17

back to the home of a third person. I'll

4:20

call that person, Person C. C

4:24

and B carried Brittany inside the home

4:26

of C. Skyler says there's

4:28

a fourth person. I'll refer

4:31

to that person as Person D. B

4:35

and D maintain control of a barely

4:37

conscious Brittany for a number of days

4:39

shuffling her between the homes of C and

4:41

D. Eventually,

4:45

after being held in a dog crate, he

4:47

tells Jessica, Brittany's mother,

4:50

that Brittany was overcome with starvation and

4:52

dehydration. Skyler

4:55

reports being held at gunpoint by Person C

4:57

and D. As a way to hammer home

4:59

the message to stay quiet about what

5:01

was seen, I was able to get in

5:04

contact with the girlfriend of Person C while

5:06

Person C was incarcerated. At

5:11

my request, Person

5:14

C refused to speak. You

5:17

guys know me by now. I

5:19

don't walk away that easily. So

5:22

I'll put a pin in that and we'll return to it. The

5:27

conversation left us with more questions than answers.

5:31

If everything Skyler reported was factual,

5:34

then the man who accompanied Brittany that evening

5:36

was in on a plan with others.

5:41

What kind of plan?

5:43

We still don't know. Could

5:45

it have been to scare her? And

5:48

something went terribly wrong?

5:50

Sure. Could

5:52

the plan have been to harm her?

5:54

Absolutely. But we

5:56

need more information before we can proceed. If

6:00

Brittany owed money to someone, who

6:02

was it? And what was it for? Getting

6:06

answers to these questions would create more

6:09

questions.

6:11

What's that quote?

6:13

The more you learn, the less you know.

6:17

Yeah, that seems accurate.

6:20

For now,

6:21

we'll put Skylar on pause and add

6:24

B, C, and D to our suspect

6:26

board. In March,

6:29

Sarah and I agreed that more investigation into

6:31

Brittany's case was warranted. It just

6:33

wasn't time to walk away. And I think

6:35

we both knew it. So we

6:37

put production of the podcast on hold and

6:39

concentrated on investigating, following

6:42

up and tracking people down.

6:46

There were a few things we were hoping would come to fruition

6:49

while we were away. We

6:51

hope to see a photo of Brittany and Ashley together. I

6:55

know you guys may be shocked to hear this, but

6:57

no such luck in the picture arena. But

7:01

hey, the original offer still

7:03

stands. I'd

7:05

even settle for the picture Ashley claims she

7:07

took of Brittany holding her phone to prove to Cage

7:10

that they didn't have beef. And

7:12

trust me, I hate to beat a dead horse, but

7:15

we find this story interesting. Since Ashley

7:17

said Cage didn't know they made up. So

7:20

it was safe for Brittany to move in. But

7:23

I digress. I

7:27

asked Ashley to see the full conversation between

7:29

her and Eric. Again, I hate

7:32

to revisit things we've talked about on many occasions,

7:35

but sometimes you just have to. If

7:41

you recall, during my first in-person

7:43

interview with Ashley, she scrolled through

7:45

her Facebook messages with Eric. And

7:47

while I stood over her shoulder, she scrolled

7:49

for a very long time. I'm

7:52

using her communication devices. I

7:55

messaged with him because if he's not

7:57

at my house, I'm messaging him. Sliding

8:02

her finger up the

8:05

screen so many times I started to wonder what all that

8:07

talk was

8:19

about between the two.

8:21

I

8:23

remember 13 to 2019. November

8:30

freaking 2019. There

8:33

should be a huge gap coming up here. Someone

8:36

in jail or something? No

8:39

when I got evicted, obviously

8:41

he lost his place of safety. We just

8:43

kind of lost touch for a while when I was with Weekly.

8:46

I

8:46

mean... In 2019 still? Yes. You

8:49

guys talk a lot. Yeah. Because

8:52

I've never stopped looking for Brit and her

8:55

husband so I kept him and he was

8:57

the only person that ever

8:58

fucked me over. I started to wonder

9:00

what all that talk was about between the two. But

9:03

then the messages come to a screeching halt.

9:05

Huh. Don't

9:06

have it. Oh I have it. I told you I have backup

9:09

and backup and backup. What was it I know? I don't

9:11

know. What date does that go to? May 20th 2019. But

9:13

I have my takeouts or my Facebook. You had that right. I'm not

9:15

sure. I'm not sure. I'm

9:18

not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. You

9:20

had that right. Information file is down with it. I

9:23

don't know. Again, you'll be shocked. Those

9:25

messages never surfaced. Lastly,

9:28

we were optimistic

9:30

that Ashley and Britney's full conversations

9:32

would finally

9:38

come to light.

9:41

We were patient. Man,

9:45

we were patient. And

9:47

our patience paid off.

9:51

We have those conversations. Or

9:54

at least a version of those conversations. I'll leave it up

9:56

to you Ashley. Disure them.

9:59

I'll tell you one thing though Ashley. Betrayal

10:02

is kind of like a game of poker. You

10:05

never really know who'll turn out to

10:07

be your opponent. You might

10:09

want to take an inventory of everyone sitting at your card

10:11

table before it collapses. Oh

10:14

and if you think I'm bluffing about

10:16

having those conversations, name

10:18

the timestamp and I'll tell you what was said.

10:23

If you're someone who cares about Brittany, her

10:25

family or about justice, then

10:28

you have to be wondering the same thing we are. Why

10:31

haven't these conversations been made public like

10:34

loads of other information? Lots

10:36

of which mean absolutely

10:38

nothing. It's

10:42

Sarah.

10:44

Hey, I got something for you.

10:47

Pretty sure you're going to want to see this.

10:49

I love getting messages like this. Hey,

10:54

so I just got your message. So

10:57

that's Eric's Google

10:59

location history? So

11:02

supposedly

11:03

this is his Google

11:05

location on November 30th.

11:08

I think it actually goes over to December

11:10

1st. But

11:14

somebody sent it to me and

11:18

it was posted in another community

11:21

and somebody in that community

11:24

sent it to me.

11:25

And so I sent

11:27

it to you. I think this is the

11:29

first we're seeing of this. As

11:32

far as I understood and what Ashley told

11:35

me was this was never information

11:37

that was available because he always had his Google

11:39

location history off. Meaning she

11:42

went and tried to look for it. If

11:44

she went to try to look for it before, when

11:46

did this information become available?

11:48

I think that she's saying it became available

11:51

recently to her. But

11:55

at the same time, we also know that the

11:57

phone he was using was not available.

11:59

was using at that time was her

12:04

phone.

12:06

Ashley, when I say she, I mean Ashley, she

12:09

had access to. So

12:12

I'm confused how she would

12:14

just have gotten

12:17

access to this. This

12:19

is a Google snapshot or a screenshot

12:22

of his timeline showing his

12:25

whereabouts Friday, November 30th, 2018. Again,

12:28

Ashley's made it very clear, Eric's Google

12:31

location was off, has always

12:33

been off. Yeah.

12:36

Meaning you went and checked.

12:40

This just became available to us

12:43

when?

12:45

March, March 1st. Okay.

12:53

Let's talk about the details of his whereabouts.

12:57

So it

13:00

shows the date Friday,

13:02

November 30th. And

13:06

it shows a location

13:08

which is labeled here as home. I

13:12

won't give out the location, but it

13:15

shows his location as

13:16

home and it shows

13:18

him leaving home at 8.34

13:20

PM. To

13:24

clarify, home does have an address

13:27

provided and we have looked this up and it is

13:30

Eric's parents location. Correct.

13:33

Which is just down the door from where Ashley

13:35

lives and then not too far from where

13:37

Sheldon also lives. So it shows him

13:39

though, leaving home at 8.34 PM. Correct.

13:44

So it shows him walking for about five

13:46

minutes,

13:46

8.34 PM to 8.39 PM. And

13:50

he walks to Ashley's.

13:53

And we know this is her previous

13:56

address when Brittany went missing. And

13:59

it shows that

13:59

him at that

14:02

address from 8 39 p.m.

14:05

So that's a five minute

14:07

walk and how long is he there though

14:10

Ashley's

14:11

so it shows him being

14:13

at Ashley's from 8 39 p.m. to 108 a.m. on December

14:16

1st

14:23

what's I'm gonna time that out give

14:26

me one sec

14:29

all right so I just mapped it out Mapquist

14:32

shows it being a distance

14:34

of nine minutes to walk from his

14:36

house to Ashley's it's

14:39

a straight shot that's a nine minute walk

14:41

and this has him five minutes but

14:43

my other question is I thought he

14:45

was at the house all day that

14:48

night around what time did Shelton contact you

14:51

around 10 10 p.m.

14:55

and you're still where home

14:58

and who comes by your house

15:02

Eric's there because when

15:04

Paco went to jail he both

15:06

started talking with me

15:09

what time did Eric come over

15:19

I don't think is there pretty much all day because they're on

15:21

pocket called me

15:24

he said Ashley says he was at the house

15:27

the whole day and she mentioned his pocket

15:29

needing to call it six because he was calling

15:32

like a schoolgirl

15:35

again Eric was supposed to be there because

15:37

people were fucking with her apparently and

15:40

she wanted Eric to move in yes

15:44

but we don't see any other history prior to this the time

15:47

it's only starting at 8 34 p.m.

15:49

yeah it starts at 8 34 p.m.

15:52

and there's nothing it doesn't show these screenshots

15:55

what was posted doesn't show anything prior

15:57

and short

16:00

you'll see that it doesn't show anything

16:03

after this

16:03

period

16:06

either. How

16:08

convenient, right?

16:10

Out of all the days, we're going to have November

16:12

30th at this time frame, but we don't have any time

16:14

before this. We don't know when he arrives to his

16:17

parents' house or anything

16:20

prior to 8.34 p.m. Right.

16:25

So he's there from 8.39 p.m. at Ashley's to 1.08 a.m.

16:27

on December 1st. Then

16:32

we see he moves

16:34

a distance of 3.3 miles

16:36

driving from 1.08 a.m. to 1.29 a.m., which

16:40

is 21

16:44

minutes.

16:46

To me, 21 minutes is a really

16:48

long time to go 3.3 miles. I

16:51

guess if you're sitting in New

16:54

York City traffic or whatever, I would

16:56

get that. But we're talking about Sturgis

16:59

in the middle of the night. That

17:02

seems odd to me. Right.

17:05

At 1.08 a.m., when he leaves, he's

17:07

driving, and he goes a total distance of 3.3 miles, he's

17:10

gone for 21 minutes. Yes.

17:12

What's the explanation? The

17:15

explanation

17:15

is that he is leaving

17:17

Ashley's,

17:18

taking her vehicle,

17:20

and going to put air in her

17:23

tire. So just

17:25

to recap, he has left his

17:28

house, walked

17:30

to her house, and then at 1.08 a.m.,

17:33

decides that

17:36

her tire on her vehicle

17:38

needs air. So at 1.08 a.m.,

17:41

he departs to go get air. He

17:43

goes to Boland Tire to put

17:46

air in

17:48

Ashley's tire at 1 o'clock

17:50

in the morning.

17:51

Let me just map that out

17:54

real quick. Okay,

17:56

so from Ashley's apartment, based

17:59

on Google Earth, It's

18:01

about 1.6 miles from

18:03

Ashley's apartment leaving to Bolentire. We'll

18:07

split that by two, it's roughly 3.2

18:10

miles, just perfect distance to go there

18:12

and back. So let's say it's a few

18:14

minutes to get there, gets out, puts air

18:16

in, few minutes to get back.

18:19

I'd like to know that we've

18:22

talked about air can possibly fires

18:25

and we've had an interview with certain individuals

18:28

who have also made the comments about how

18:30

Eric talks about how many tires you need

18:32

in order to burn a body.

18:36

And Bolentire has a lot of, I think

18:38

they're bad tires that are sitting

18:40

around. I wonder if they had footage,

18:44

I mean it would be gone by this time. He

18:48

goes from Bolentire back to Ashley's.

18:51

He goes from tire location

18:55

back to Ashley's. So from 1.29

18:57

am to 2.06 am, he is at Ashley's.

19:04

So about 37 minutes.

19:10

And then he leaves Ashley's

19:11

on foot. He walks 0.3

19:14

miles, four minutes from 2.06

19:18

am to 2.09 am.

19:22

And at 2.09 am he arrives

19:25

home back

19:28

to his parents. So now you've

19:30

already said that it's

19:32

a nine minute walk, is that what you said?

19:35

Yes.

19:36

So even cutting him some slack, we were cutting

19:38

him some slack and giving him the five minutes. He's

19:41

shaved a minute off his time

19:44

now and he's done it in

19:46

four minutes.

19:48

I guess he's in push pace. He

19:51

doesn't seem like a runner to me, I'm sorry. I

19:54

guess to me it just seems odd that

19:56

the time is decreasing with conditions

19:59

it's cold. But, but

20:01

back up for a second. Why

20:03

don't we see a timestamp of him

20:05

being at Boland on here?

20:07

Correct.

20:08

I was just wondering the same thing.

20:12

If you're traveling 1.6 miles and

20:15

you get there and let's say the additional time difference

20:17

that we're talking about here is

20:20

that Boland tire. And let's say you're there for three to

20:23

five minutes. You're at a specific

20:25

location. It's a commercial location that you

20:27

would also do it at least show on the

20:29

map or on the timeline here, right?

20:32

You would think we're seeing other

20:35

locations. I'm sure that they're residential

20:37

and they're not businesses, but they're

20:40

still locations

20:40

and we're still seeing

20:43

them. We also, we don't see

20:45

it go from driving to walking. You know, we

20:49

can assume he's outside the vehicle putting tire

20:51

or air in the tire. So

20:54

we don't, we don't see any change there.

20:56

So then he gets back to his mom's house or his

20:58

dad's house at two or nine AM. That's

21:01

all the screenshot shows.

21:03

That's all it shows. It shows him

21:05

leaving Ashley's

21:07

four minute walk. He's back home

21:09

at two Oh nine AM. He arrives

21:12

back at his parents.

21:16

Let's back up to Ashley's original testimony.

21:19

She said Eric's Google location has never been on.

21:21

You wouldn't say that unless you wouldn't try to look for

21:23

it. If this is being made public

21:26

now in 2023, you

21:28

said in 21 that you don't know

21:31

if he was with you or not because he's been using you

21:33

as his alibi.

21:34

I think he did probably the most important

21:36

thing that I

21:39

can need to remember

21:41

because I

21:46

just thought with it for so long. Yeah,

21:48

is that her? Yes.

21:53

You were telling me this back in back then

21:55

that his Google location wasn't available while

21:57

a sudden is it available and it's only

22:00

available on the

22:02

30th between 8 p.m.

22:05

and 1 a.m. That's

22:08

screaming in red flags and that's screaming you're trying

22:10

to prove your alibi. Why

22:12

wasn't this made available before?

22:15

We know from conversations

22:18

with Rockford

22:19

that she has access to

22:21

Eric's Google account in

22:23

July of 2019. She starts speaking

22:27

to Rockford from Eric's

22:29

account. She says that she was

22:32

acting as Eric speaking to Rockford

22:34

in December

22:35

of 2018. That's when

22:38

Rockford's like yeah they were telling me they wanted to meet up in the

22:40

middle of the night somewhere. Yes. Why the hell are you doing

22:42

that in the first place with the PI who's trying to help?

22:44

Aren't you supposed to be supporting someone who's trying to find

22:46

your best friend? Aren't you supposed to be saying hey let's

22:48

meet and let's actually put everything together and

22:51

try to put this all out there but this is

22:53

again proof that she had access to

22:55

this info. So let's say go back to the

22:57

night that she calls law enforcement over because she finds

23:00

these pictures.

23:01

Yes. You had access to his account. Why

23:03

don't you look at his history if you were so concerned

23:05

about it.

23:06

Investigate.

23:12

And she had access

23:14

to more than one of his accounts.

23:16

You know she names a couple of

23:18

them you know Tenant Shank or Eight

23:21

Inch Shank or whatever it is. So

23:24

in

23:25

July when she's talking

23:27

to Rockford we know

23:30

that she has access to

23:32

Google accounts that are his.

23:35

So even giving her the benefit

23:37

of the doubt,

23:40

July 2019 is long before she

23:42

ever has any conversation with you.

23:45

So one would think

23:47

if she had access to that she'd have

23:49

the Google location at that time in 2019.

23:52

I mean

23:53

we see his location while

23:55

he's at Ashley's you know we see

23:57

him walking, we see his location.

24:00

to Ashley's. We see him spending

24:02

time in Ashley's and we see him departing

24:05

Ashley's. So it's

24:07

strange to me that while

24:09

he's at Boland Tire,

24:11

there's no change in his activity.

24:15

It appears like he pulls it and sits there. Do

24:17

you time this out the time it takes

24:20

for him to travel from Ashley's to

24:22

Boland? I mean, it's not that long. If

24:26

he's there within three minutes, three

24:28

minutes there, three minutes back, he's

24:30

got 16 minutes to spare, 16 to 15 minutes

24:33

of sitting there while you're getting air. I would

24:35

think it's going to populate a mark

24:38

on the map of your timeline mystery.

24:40

Yeah.

24:41

Another interesting point in here is that

24:44

in that screenshot, there's

24:47

another screenshot that sent that in just

24:50

Eric's location, it's Ashley's.

24:54

So there is a second screenshot here

24:56

and the second screenshot shows

24:58

Ashley's location at

25:00

her apartment.

25:05

Instead of a time, it just

25:08

says all day. There's

25:10

no, you know, actual time here.

25:12

And that's the verbiage

25:14

used here all day. And we

25:17

still don't know how she came

25:19

about this info. Like there's

25:21

no clear explanation. It's provided by

25:23

someone else. So

25:26

you sent this to someone else for them to post

25:29

it on your behalf. That's

25:31

what I surmised. That's

25:33

how it appears. I don't

25:36

know how else it would have transpired.

25:38

I mean, I guess there's other ways, but that's

25:41

what it appears to us.

25:44

Here's an interesting question. I would like,

25:46

I would love to hear an answer to this is who

25:49

activated his location

25:53

at 8.34 PM?

25:56

Who turned that on? And

25:58

why did they turn that on? turn off because

26:00

all we see is November 30th

26:03

and it continues to December

26:06

1st at 209 a.m.

26:08

then it's off again. Like who turned it on? Ashley

26:11

or Eric? Why'd you turn

26:13

it on on November 30th and there's no

26:15

other history and

26:17

this happens to be the night that your separated

26:20

wife goes missing. There's

26:23

no other history of his location except

26:25

for November 30th that Ashley's choosing to provide

26:28

and sending somebody else to provide this information.

26:32

She says Eric shank in red writing on this

26:34

and circles November 30th 2018 but then on her she puts

26:37

mine that would only mean her.

26:42

Yes I guess the only argument

26:46

that we could pose against

26:48

this is that he had it on

26:51

at other times and

26:55

she chose not to provide

26:57

that but if what

26:59

she's doing is

27:02

trying to bolster

27:06

confidence in his innocence then

27:08

you know what

27:12

she would do is show you know a history

27:16

of his location you know

27:18

November 29th he was here November

27:20

28th it was here November

27:23

you know whatever December 1st 2nd

27:26

3rd whatever it is but

27:29

instead what she does is just show

27:31

this short piece

27:34

and that's that's concerning.

27:38

I mean I guess if I were Eric

27:41

I would be very concerned

27:44

that what is being shown here

27:47

does not help me it actually works against

27:49

me.

27:51

If I'm Eric I

27:53

would you know if you're putting my information

27:55

out there okay fine

27:57

but don't

27:59

Just put

28:01

this tiny bit of information

28:03

out there. Put it all out there so

28:05

that people get a full picture. Because right

28:08

now what you're painting is not a full picture. Right

28:10

now what you're painting is I had my

28:12

Google location on for this short amount of time

28:15

because why?

28:17

Eric,

28:18

this doesn't make you look good. By

28:22

putting this out and acting like this is my, it makes, it

28:25

shows her location all day.

28:28

Yes.

28:29

But not yours.

28:30

Yes.

28:32

During the hours that Brittany goes missing, when

28:35

are you going to wake up?

28:37

This is somebody you call a friend. I

28:41

may rethink that title.

28:43

We have a Google location history here

28:46

of this timeframe and hers of this day. How

28:48

about you show yours, Ashley? You never said

28:50

your Google location was always off. How about we see your

28:52

full time on the 29th, the 28th,

28:54

the 27th? Let's go back to the 23rd

28:56

actually. The 1st, December 1st. Remember

28:59

when you met her at Walmart? Let's look at that timeline

29:02

history. Let's look at, again, if you

29:04

want to show me and you want to show us and show

29:06

us your history, that

29:09

helps. But when you're choosing only show

29:11

this period of this day and you're trying to prove your

29:13

alibi, again, only if this makes you

29:15

look bad, Eric, but she's trying to prove it first. Show

29:18

us all the times that we're talking about so

29:20

that we can either move forward and

29:22

then get you out of the way if you're not involved.

29:25

Yeah. Yeah.

29:27

I guess this is, I'm

29:29

looking

29:32

at this as if they're

29:35

still friends.

29:36

If you are trying

29:38

to create doubt for somebody

29:41

or

29:42

in the validity of somebody's

29:44

story or alibi or whatever,

29:47

this is great.

29:52

So maybe I shouldn't be looking at it

29:55

from the lens of they are, you know, oh, this

29:57

is, these are friends. Cause if

29:59

you, if

29:59

you did this to me? What the

30:02

fuck dawg? We're not friends anymore.

30:08

This is on November 30th, 2018. Again,

30:11

it's only Eric's location between 8.30

30:13

pm, 8.34 to

30:15

be exact, and 2.19 am on

30:18

December 1st. Nothing after,

30:21

nothing before, it's only this. If

30:25

I'm understanding this correctly, with

30:27

Eric's screenshot at the very top of the

30:30

timeline, it shows a vehicle distance

30:32

that he went, it shows his walking, and then it

30:34

shows the pinpoint of the number of locations

30:36

he visited. First one starts off at home,

30:39

second one to Ashley's, and

30:41

then there's a drive for 21 minutes,

30:45

and then back to Ashley's for the third, and

30:47

then back home on the fourth. If this

30:49

shows November 30th, 2018, there's a total

30:52

of four visits. That's

30:54

telling me that he didn't leave the house all

30:56

day until 8.34

30:58

pm. I

31:01

thought he was at your house. I hope so. It

31:03

shows four visits. If

31:07

you stop that moment, you would think there'd be five.

31:10

Yeah, the first visit at 8.34 is one,

31:13

second visit, Ashley's at 8.39 pm,

31:16

drives, he leaves, the village mannered

31:18

back to her apartment again, that's the third,

31:21

and then he walks home, that's the fourth.

31:26

He didn't go to Ashley's until 8.39 pm?

31:30

Your words, not mine. He

31:33

was basically there all day. I don't

31:36

think he was there pretty much all day, because he was there when the pocket called

31:38

me. Let's

31:40

say Google location can

31:43

be altered, is that possible?

31:46

We'll figure that out, I don't know, but that's what

31:48

I've heard, is that you can. Now, I

31:50

know that there's also a couple articles

31:52

out there, I'm just trying to get to the bottom of it. Can it be

31:55

manipulated? Is that possible? Yeah.

31:58

I believe so.

32:01

According to the technical term, it's possible.

32:10

I will be the first one to tell you,

32:12

you can fuck

32:14

with Google Maps. You can put yourself

32:16

anywhere. That doesn't mean

32:18

shit. So when she

32:22

first went missing, it always

32:25

came out the suggesting cage, also very

32:27

effigy to tell you what he is now. He

32:32

walked into the center and Daniel says, oh, you know,

32:34

Florida life. This doesn't mean a live

32:36

location.

32:38

I think, well, Dan, that's weird.

32:42

Why do you send a live location? Florida life.

32:44

Like,

32:46

are you trying to out-buy yourself or what?

32:50

I want to point out that what we have

32:52

here are screenshots

32:55

and screenshots can always be

32:57

manipulated. Right.

33:01

What if we didn't have to go off of just your

33:04

guys's Google 10 line history? What

33:08

if she had a tracking device in the car?

33:11

See, when I talked to JJ, I thought

33:14

this guy was just out there

33:16

with some of the stuff he was saying, like, should I have a tracking device?

33:20

He ripped the shit out of that car to try to find

33:22

it. I was like, okay, whatever. Whatever.

33:26

What if

33:28

I told you it was true?

33:45

Large ADP 2020 834 a.m.

33:51

Ashley writes the VEL.

33:59

Jay and Eric took my car one night. This

34:04

is when I still had my spark tracker in it. It

34:07

was late as fuck and

34:08

I hadn't heard from them. So I tracked

34:10

my car.

34:14

They were out at Haybridge.

34:17

If you recall my interview with JJ,

34:20

he talks about this.

34:23

I believe she knows something about

34:25

it all. There's

34:27

so many fucking stories she says she

34:29

said bullshit, man. And it tore

34:31

me the fuck up. That drove me insane a little bit trying

34:33

to pickle out the puzzle. I

34:38

rode around with Ashley or she came me

34:40

to tease her car and let me go out and do my

34:42

own thing to figure out shit. But the whole

34:44

time she had a GPS tracker on her damn car.

34:48

How do you know that?

34:50

Because she

34:52

showed me it.

34:56

Like if I didn't close the gas cap on her car,

35:00

I would get a phone call. Hey,

35:02

close the gas cap on your car. Are

35:06

you fucking serious right now?

35:08

She has everything

35:10

monitored on that fucking Fortis Florida that

35:12

she had.

35:15

This is crazy. I

35:19

hate to talk about a woman like that, but this is crazy.

35:24

And then there was Dale Guffy.

35:28

Oh, what up? Because the truck was tore up.

35:31

Truck was fucking stripped. You know

35:33

what I mean? Not like the outside of it. He

35:36

tore a wires out of it. He tore a fucking, he's trying to find

35:38

the goddamn GPS and whatever

35:40

in it.

35:42

You know what I mean? Yeah. Doing

35:45

some twack shit to the fucking car.

35:49

Very recently, I spoke to an agent

35:52

with a company called Brickhouse Security. Brickhouse

35:55

is a provider of security and surveillance solutions.

35:57

They've been around since 2005, so. Definitely

36:00

not newbies to this security game. Brickhouse

36:03

is the mother company to Spark GPS

36:06

units. Spark

36:08

GPS units are small tracking devices

36:11

made with the intention of tracking vehicles.

36:14

Most of their units are magnetic, waterproof,

36:17

and require a monthly subscription. Once

36:20

you have a monthly subscription though, you're

36:22

able to track a vehicle, or whatever you

36:24

choose to attach the unit to, all

36:26

over the US through an app on your phone, or

36:28

web browser. In

36:31

July of 2023, I

36:34

spoke to an agent who was able to clarify several

36:37

pieces of information for us. While

36:39

Spark only allows you to access your current

36:42

or past information with a subscription,

36:45

they do allow you to download it, so

36:47

you can keep it for your records. I

36:50

was interested to know if Spark ever deletes

36:52

customer records. The

36:55

agent explained to me, they

36:57

do not delete records. As

36:59

long as you had an account with them at one point,

37:02

your records were supposed to be stored with them. I

37:05

clarified with the agent and asked,

37:08

hypothetically, if my

37:11

account was four plus years old, and

37:13

I did not have a current subscription, if

37:16

they could access my prior account information,

37:20

the agent confirmed,

37:22

yes,

37:24

they could indeed do so.

37:27

So what did they need? Basic

37:29

information would be required, like

37:32

name, email address, and

37:34

phone number. Seems

37:36

fairly simple, right? I

37:40

rough up my conversation with a few questions pertaining

37:42

to STEP's law enforcement would need to take

37:44

to submit a subpoena. But

37:47

we can make it easy.

37:51

Ashley, I'm sure you can figure

37:53

out how to contact your

37:54

accounts. Activate

37:56

your subscription and obtain the tracking

37:58

records of your SUV. on November 1st through

38:01

the end of December. Here,

38:04

I'll make it easy for you. 2800-654-7966. Hell,

38:12

I'll even pay for it. Once

38:14

you have the GPS history, turn it over

38:17

to Detective Otten. This

38:19

simple task could go a long way in starting to clear

38:21

things up.

38:22

Speaking of clearing

38:24

things up, one piece of the

38:26

puzzle I believe could really benefit

38:28

from getting the GPS history is

38:31

the receipt, since Ashley

38:33

says in various forms

38:36

that the gas receipt ultimately came from

38:38

bags JJ filled with trash when

38:41

he stole her vehicle. Having

38:45

the GPS history from the vehicle seems like it would

38:47

be the easiest and most direct way

38:49

to find out where JJ went with her

38:51

vehicle, which would lead to the location

38:54

of the receipt. If

38:56

it wasn't in her vehicle all along, then

38:58

finding out where JJ went would

39:00

be important in the explanation of the receipt.

39:04

Don't you think, Ashley? Ignoring

39:06

the ability to track down the origination of the

39:08

receipt's location with the GPS

39:10

history seems like an amateur

39:12

move for someone who's really honed in

39:14

their investigation skills over the past four and a

39:17

half years while looking for their

39:19

best friend. Rookie

39:21

season is over. Your season

39:23

now. Flip up to the plate. If

39:26

JJ had the receipt, why aren't you

39:28

pressing him for answers? What

39:31

date did you take the picture of the receipt? You

39:33

should have digital footprints indicating

39:36

when that picture was taken.

39:39

Right? You're

39:42

no longer green at

39:44

this.

39:48

You Recently,

39:54

I obtained an exclusive conversation

39:57

between Ashley and an individual

39:59

who shall keep anonymous for confidentiality

40:01

reasons. The

40:04

dialogue we're about to present to you may

40:07

shed new light on the already intricate

40:09

web surrounding Eric's alleged activities.

40:14

Sarah and I will be re-enacting the conversation before

40:18

we delve into that. Let's

40:21

refresh our memories. Based

40:24

on the Google timeline screenshot taken by Ashley,

40:27

Eric S. was supposed to be at Ashley's

40:30

apartment the entire evening. Ashley

40:34

even confirmed with me in our interview that

40:36

Eric arrived while it was still daylight.

40:57

When did Eric leave? I'm

40:59

trying to think if he did or not

41:01

because this is probably

41:03

the most important fucking thing that I can need

41:06

to remember. I've been with it for

41:08

so long.

41:14

Now the weather report from that day indicates

41:16

darkness settles around 6 pm. This

41:19

detail raises crucial questions about the timeline

41:22

and may well contradict Ashley's initial claim in

41:24

the screenshot. So

41:26

let's move on to the conversation reenactment.

41:31

Anonymous person writes. Let's

41:34

go back to Eric's story.

41:36

Ashley. Okay.

41:39

It seems like Eric is talking about the same person.

41:42

Justin, do you know how Eric knows

41:44

him?

41:45

Yeah. Jade.

41:48

Okay. Jade is a piece

41:50

of the puzzle here. You

41:52

read the shit the same way I did? He

41:54

walked back from Justin's that day. He

41:57

went to go see Jade that day though.

41:59

I haven't heard anything about adjusting

42:02

character.

42:03

That day meaning November 30th. No,

42:07

the day he walked back from Bur Oak. Jason

42:10

told me that it's Ben said somewhere

42:12

that she got a new phone

42:14

on the 29th. Are

42:16

you sure he didn't just leave his phone at your place

42:19

after walking over and borrowed your car to fuck

42:21

with Britt?

42:22

Brought it back,

42:23

went to his parents to clean up,

42:25

and then walked back to your house? If

42:28

this is the case,

42:29

then that very well may have been the phone

42:32

he had put up.

42:34

The 30th, yes. He left

42:37

one phone.

42:38

He didn't have my phone at that point,

42:41

not when she went missing.

42:43

No, when he left the phone,

42:45

that was in January. I'm

42:48

talking the night she went missing. Did he borrow

42:50

your car earlier? He

42:53

took my car that evening. I

42:55

know, just not until like 1.30am.

42:58

No, no, no. Jason

43:02

posted this shit, my location,

43:04

and Eric's.

43:06

He claims it clears Eric. I

43:09

say it doesn't.

43:10

Oh, okay.

43:12

Why does Jason have this?

43:15

I sent it to him.

43:18

I thought you meant Gay Heart. Jason

43:20

equals Gay Heart.

43:22

Look, for normal people, it's weird

43:24

to never have your location turned on.

43:27

I am normal, and I never have

43:29

it on.

43:30

Justin Gay Heart, by the way.

43:34

Justin Gay Heart is Jason's spade

43:36

too, though.

43:38

Ah, fuck. Okay.

43:40

That's where my mind was, because Eric

43:42

calls Justin Jason and his messages.

43:45

So anyway, we normal

43:48

folk leave our location on. Those

43:50

weird, messy folk never have

43:53

their location on. Ever. I

43:56

see. And think you're a cop or

43:58

some stupid shit if you do. I

44:00

don't care. My location never

44:03

gets shut off.

44:05

Following? So,

44:08

the fact that his location is turned on

44:11

right around the time she went

44:13

missing, to show him walking

44:15

to my house and getting my car...

44:18

But did he take it right away?

44:21

To me, that feels intentional

44:23

as fuck.

44:24

And yeah.

44:26

To Alibi himself. That's

44:28

what I'm saying. He

44:31

only went for a 20 minute drive though, and came

44:33

back.

44:35

Yeah. At 1.30am.

44:37

No. Like

44:39

8.30pm-ish.

44:42

He went to Boland Tire. Right

44:44

at the time she's disappearing. Now

44:47

this is where Tuttle comes in.

44:49

He went to the Tire Place?

44:51

Tuttle's Tales anyway. Tuttle

44:53

claims Britton made it back to town. I

44:56

think he's right. He also said she was

44:58

hit out there by Kiesling.

45:01

Was she at the Reap House the night she went

45:03

missing?

45:04

Ashley sends five images. And

45:07

which house is this? Jefferson

45:09

Street? Mechanic Street?

45:11

Kiesling doesn't drive. Anyhow,

45:15

I still think Eric could have been Mystery Man.

45:18

We're on 30th, right? Sheldon

45:21

finds out she's got Eric with her. She's

45:24

with a mystery man. It's threatening

45:26

to come out there or some shit.

45:28

It goes around 10 I

45:30

think. P.M.? He calls me on Facebook. I have

45:32

an online notifications and I see it. As

45:35

long as he calls me.

45:37

This would explain the rush.

45:45

Sheldon finds out she's got Eric with her. It's

45:47

threatening to come out there or some shit. This

45:50

would explain the rush. So

45:53

your theory is that Sheldon possibly

45:56

discovers that Eric is with Bernie at Grandma's

45:58

house. How

46:01

the fuck is that possible? Eric's

46:03

supposed to be next to you.

46:06

I just realized Eric,

46:07

I am Eric's alibi. He was with me the night

46:10

she disappeared. Explain

46:12

that. You

46:19

can't make him sit the light. Make him

46:22

feel the heat. I'm

46:30

saying, oh, he's

46:33

a fool to me. He's

46:37

too old to be sure.

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