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2:36

24-hour news 8's Brady Gillum went

2:38

to searches tonight to speak with the missing

2:40

woman's mother about what may

2:42

have happened

2:43

to her daughter I

2:45

can tell you where she most likely is

2:49

I hadn't seen anybody that I felt comfortable

2:51

saying anything to me Until

2:53

today The stories

2:55

they tell are pretty funny They're pretty fricking

2:58

gruesome I

3:00

can call the text messages, Facebook

3:02

messages, the messages between

3:04

me and Brittany, I have all of them I

3:08

have

3:08

everything I took my son out to

3:10

law and all the purpose and I was going

3:12

to have my people who can take care of it

3:17

All the people in the team I didn't know were to see

3:20

what somebody said Is this a little town

3:22

around here? Is it behind the hide somewhere like

3:24

that? Is it this or everything from

3:26

now on? He

3:29

said he don't believe anything and was running

3:31

to the law This

3:33

is hide and seek, page 3 3rd grade I

3:38

don't know if I heard that Nice

3:42

This is a good place You

4:02

Hey guys, nice to see you busy

4:04

having me. Let's

4:07

recap a few takeaways and move on to this next

4:09

episode. In episode 43,

4:12

you heard about our third trip to Michigan in October

4:15

of 2022. The

4:17

goal of that trip was to set up property searches

4:19

of the area with a search and rescue team

4:21

who could provide trained and certified cadaver dogs.

4:26

We tracked down the property owners of the properties we wanted

4:28

to search, except for just one. The

4:31

mission was granted for 23 out of the 25 properties. After

4:37

just 24 hours, we secured the search and rescue

4:39

team who were going to drive many hours to meet

4:41

us in Michigan. We

4:44

were also fortunate to have the forensic archeologist,

4:47

forensic anthropologist join

4:49

us as well. Say that five

4:51

times real fast. He

4:53

developed an experimental device that works

4:56

to help locate clandestine gravesites.

4:59

Were we skeptical? Yeah,

5:01

still are. However, the tool

5:03

in question was fascinating to watch, and

5:06

it brought us to a particular gravestone in the cemetery

5:08

with the last name that happened to match the last name

5:11

of the property owner who denied us access.

5:15

While we were in process of obtaining permission to search

5:17

properties, we spoke

5:19

to a property owner who had a story he wanted to

5:21

share with us. He told me of an incident

5:23

that occurred in May of 2019 when

5:26

he was outside on his property and

5:28

saw two men come out of the woods and

5:30

begin to walk through his yard. When

5:33

he questioned them, one of the men told him

5:35

he was searching for his wife, Brittany Shane. So,

5:39

we know that there's a very high probability that

5:42

one of these men was Eric. Now,

5:44

as for the other man, we're

5:46

not sure, though we don't believe it to have been JJ.

5:50

We heard a portion of an interview with Ashley where

5:53

she tells me that Eric found the back of Brittany's current

5:55

phone in a field near where Sheldon's

5:57

car was abandoned, and Jessica

6:00

Eric backs this up when she says that she believes that

6:02

she was there and part of the very small scaled

6:04

search when Eric found the back plate.

6:07

As far as we know, this back plate was never

6:09

turned over to police. Visiting

6:15

the cemetery with the search and rescue team was a bit surreal.

6:18

Not only had Kimmy and her mother recently tried to

6:20

show it to me, but watching the dogs work

6:22

and alert was something I wasn't expecting. Mike,

6:26

the search and rescue organization founder, had

6:28

a GPR in the van. He was able to

6:30

scan the area and confirm that there was an anomaly

6:32

in the area the dog alerted on. Here's

6:35

some more audio of our time at the cemetery.

6:38

Now what you see here is

6:41

a grave shaft, and a grave shaft,

6:44

and a grave shaft. You see it's down here at eight feet.

6:47

This shows you the walls of the shaft. Grave

6:50

shaft, grave shaft, grave shaft. Right

6:52

here. Okay, so that's what

6:54

we're looking for. This

6:57

is on these three graves here, which obviously there

6:59

are coffins here, and grave

7:02

shafts. It's going down. They

7:04

were dug down to about eight feet, maybe a little bit

7:06

more.

7:06

Looks like here. Okay,

7:09

so I'm going to go back over to Wilkins one more time,

7:12

or Miller's.

7:13

We just hit those bars, I know. Yeah,

7:17

that's interesting. Alright,

7:19

so something's out this far. Let's take another

7:21

look. Let's

7:24

go this way. The

7:26

vehicle is here. Yeah. It's

7:30

still here. Our

7:32

path. Stand right here. Here.

7:42

You can expect it. Did it give

7:44

you a depth? Six feet. I'm

7:46

going to look right here. I

7:48

just went over here. You got

7:50

two hyperbola here, and then you got one

7:52

down here.

7:53

Three feet. Here

7:56

we're looking for these little triangles. This

7:58

is when he first hit the triangle.

7:59

target going this way, goes down this

8:02

way and then as he passes it, it hits it again and it comes

8:04

down this way. So we get these little trine.

8:07

Yeah, they call hypervolus and

8:09

that's what we're looking for. So we've got something.

8:12

How do you do that with him? Three feet. Three

8:15

feet, seven inches. Three

8:17

feet, seven inches. Do we

8:19

see a path that even below that though? Okay.

8:22

So there is no path. There's something

8:24

up here which I would expect to see if there's

8:26

urns buried here because they are cremated

8:29

and then

8:29

I

8:32

can run the pup on it. Actually

8:34

what I'll do, I'll take the probe and I'll make

8:36

a few holes going this

8:37

way. Something in right? Right

8:42

here.

8:51

I'm not satisfied. We can run the dog

8:53

one more time. We'll

8:56

see if those flowers await her right now.

8:59

Then we'll see what we got.

9:24

I use Alicia as a guide to get her nose

9:27

in the right place.

9:38

You

9:41

got me moved off

9:45

because of that reason.

10:00

on their hand it's just the flowers. It

10:02

could be making a problem. So

10:04

we remove them and we're in the GPR. We've

10:07

got disturbed earth going out about three or four

10:09

feet

10:09

from here. We've got definitely

10:12

looks like something here which

10:14

would be the cremation boxes for the tube and

10:17

then something over

10:19

there. How far beyond the

10:21

way the pollution is used? Oh it starts

10:23

almost right there and goes back. So

10:26

another hundred percent? Yeah. And I'm just

10:28

saying yeah another way a hundred percent is

10:30

you gotta do

10:30

it. Yeah. I

10:33

would probably get another GPR guy to come out

10:35

here and do this at some point. He has

10:37

his opinion on it. The dog alert's

10:39

solid. She's working on this thing. What does

10:42

she think? She's saying there is the

10:44

odor of human remains here. Usually

10:47

a package cremation boxes like that.

10:49

Yeah.

10:49

She's

10:52

not hitting on anything. Most

10:53

of these graves are older. They

10:57

were embalmed and some of these

10:59

are even 1881 before embalming really

11:01

got started which is around late

11:03

1800s early 1900s when it really got

11:06

started picking up. And so she's

11:09

not hitting on any of those which

11:11

means they're probably well sealed right

11:14

and the caskets are still intact in their well sealed.

11:18

Whereas whatever's going on

11:20

here now are the cremains possible

11:22

that the seals that the cremains

11:23

are in are disturbed or something's wrong with

11:26

it and the cremains are getting out and they're leaching out or

11:28

whatever that's possible. And

11:30

then when they dig these things

11:32

out you know dirt gets disturbed all over the place

11:35

here and then they put the grass back in so that could explain

11:37

it. It's soft here and then hard soft

11:39

hard soft hard soft hard

11:42

right all the way down. So

11:44

I can't tell you

11:47

but whatever it is it seems to be more on

11:49

this side here than it is on on that

11:51

side of here. So good

11:53

enough

11:54

right here.

11:56

So I don't know. I can't be completely

11:59

Hope we get more out of the some other radar

12:04

What do you think Just

12:07

in very interesting it's absolutely

12:10

bizarre is the only word that comes to mind Okay

12:19

She will call so we can we can

12:21

hear what she has to say tonight Yeah,

12:24

he could work that that's awful

12:26

compelling and she's got every I

12:28

was I promised you I only recognized this spot

12:30

because I Went down Google Earth

12:33

all the way down to those barns and back I'm like

12:35

guys. I don't know where you guys talking about and they're saying it's

12:37

right right next to the road Especially

12:39

a new grave, you know 2018 we just didn't

12:41

expect It's

12:44

like we don't get that I

12:46

never get that actually

12:49

So

12:54

all right. All right guys, I

12:56

don't know what else to say. Good job, Dama.

12:59

We'll keep you Hopefully,

13:02

yeah, let me get her

13:05

You're

13:12

gonna play run all the feet she's eight

13:14

eight now, I can't believe she's eight

13:16

It seems like I just got her in service. Yeah,

13:18

she's eight. No, I could

13:19

agree with

13:23

So one of the things she did when I saw

13:25

the first time she came she she's squat Yeah,

13:27

and then she started moving again. Yeah, she had a fee

13:29

right here Okay. Now what she does

13:32

she gets into over for the first time around She's

13:35

in the market and she does that so she can get

13:37

back to it So she marked it

13:39

and she went off go check our head Paul

13:42

make sure they're okay and then she came back and of course

13:44

she came around here She's different than she down right over

13:47

here and then I took her back

13:49

out and I got her running again Now what I put these dogs

13:51

do We're doing really

13:53

precision archaeological work We have string

13:55

lines that we put out and these dogs are trained to

13:57

follow that string line with their

13:59

nose so they get odor and then they drop. So

14:02

I use my leash as a string line and out there by the last

14:04

two holes, the first hole she missed,

14:07

the second hole she dropped. So

14:09

there's odor going down that way. Now this is a

14:11

hill. So it could

14:14

be going down that way. So I can't say it's conclusive.

14:17

Something odd with this. So

14:20

if you've got a witness that corroborates that something

14:22

like that's going on, the dates are

14:24

right, and there's a Miller Road

14:26

that other property that's out there that we're looking at,

14:29

okay, guys, let's get some people in. Let's start talking

14:32

to them. All right. I'll go get the other ball and

14:34

I'll get you over here. Thank you. Here

14:36

she is. Hi.

14:38

Hey. Hello.

14:46

What it was, we didn't know. But

14:49

we all agreed that a second opinion from someone

14:51

who specializes in this area would

14:54

be best. So we arranged

14:56

for a GPR company we connected with last

14:58

year, Mike and Sean from work smart to

15:00

come out to do another scan of this area. I

15:03

reached out to detective on who was in support of our

15:05

decision to get a second opinion and agreed that

15:07

the entire situation was bizarre to say the least.

15:10

So let me recap how bizarre this has been so

15:13

far. First,

15:15

prior to my trip in October, Kimmy and

15:17

her mother mentioned this very spot. Now

15:20

in an interview with them, they told me Brittany was

15:22

brought here to a very specific house

15:24

connected to this cemetery. Second,

15:28

with that information unknown to the forensic archeologists,

15:31

his device leads him to the same cemetery

15:33

with a series of strong signals.

15:36

Third,

15:37

the search and rescue team visits the cemetery

15:40

and one of the cadaver canines is let loose and

15:42

scours the cemetery going from plot to plot

15:45

until she alerts on one gravestone. The

15:51

plot the canine alerts on has a gravestone

15:53

in memory of a couple who passed away the

15:55

year Brittany vanished, 2018. What

15:59

makes this bizarre? is the last name of

16:01

the couple in the gravestone matches the last

16:03

name of the property owner who denied us access

16:05

to search their pasture. And

16:08

lastly, when a preliminary

16:10

GPR is done, we're able to

16:12

confirm that there's an anomaly under the

16:14

spot the canine alerted on. Coincidence?

16:19

The universe is rarely lazy enough for coincidence.

16:22

But the reasons for these instances coming together

16:24

the way that they did are yet to

16:26

be seen. Our GPR

16:28

guy Mike reaches out to Sarah and sets up a time to

16:30

visit the cemetery and scan the area. We're

16:34

eager to have it done, but I think I can

16:36

speak for Sarah when I say we're very anxious.

16:40

The potential for Brittany to come home is overwhelming

16:42

to think about. I've

16:44

mentioned this before, but it still holds true. Every

16:47

time I leave a property, a piece of land, a

16:50

building, or a body of water

16:52

where we search for Brittany, it's

16:55

a feeling I can't describe. Pulling

16:57

away from Don Hill's property last year, I felt

17:00

like I was leaving her behind. It's

17:03

the thought of her waiting there to finally

17:05

be found. Even after

17:07

the scan and the soil pools, when

17:09

we received the news that the anomalies were not human remains,

17:13

you feel defeated. You

17:15

can't imagine how the families feel in situations like

17:17

this. It's devastating, and

17:20

there's no limit to the number of times families must

17:22

go through this until and unless

17:24

their loved one is found. The

17:26

uncertainty over the whereabouts of a loved one creates

17:29

a particular kind of suffering,

17:31

and each of the family members that I've asked, that's

17:34

the worst part. Not

17:36

knowing.

17:44

While at the cemetery, I know

17:46

some of you might be listening and thinking to yourself. I

17:49

just would have started digging. I

17:52

understand that urge. Believe me. I

17:54

wanted to dig right away too. All

17:56

the reasons of justifying my actions flew across

17:59

my mind. However, it's crucial

18:01

to realize that this wasn't simply a random spot

18:03

in the woods. This

18:05

is a cemetery, so this involves

18:07

someone else's loved one, someone else's friend.

18:12

As desperate as we are for answers, I know

18:14

Brittany's family and friends are even more desperate. So,

18:17

we need to approach this situation the right way. I

18:21

want law enforcement involved, and frankly,

18:23

I would prefer if they took over from this part

18:25

forward. I'm not a professional

18:27

in this field, and I don't want to do anything that

18:29

could potentially jeopardize Brittany's case, because

18:32

if we are truly close to uncovering the

18:34

truth, I want to make sure that

18:37

every move we make is the right one. I

18:39

want nothing to stand in the way of justice for Brittany

18:41

and her family. This means

18:44

taking a level-headed approach. I

18:47

understand the desire to push boundaries, but

18:50

I assure you that my actions are not driven by

18:52

impulse. It's

18:54

crucial to recognize that the

18:56

actions we choose can become

18:59

powerful tools that may eventually be used

19:02

against us. Within

19:09

just a few days of my departure from Michigan, Mike

19:12

and Sean visit the cemetery to do the GPR. Hey,

19:17

it's me. I just heard from Mike and

19:20

Sean. They were able to confirm

19:23

that there are anomalies

19:26

in the same spot that the dogs alerted

19:28

on. Mike confirms

19:31

what our K-9 team alerted to, and with

19:33

the preliminary GPR suggested, there

19:36

is indeed an anomaly. In

19:39

this next scene, I just left the cemetery

19:41

to check in with Greg and discuss the unsettling

19:44

discoveries. And what happens next?

19:47

I swear to you guys, you

19:49

can't make this shit up. Hey,

19:51

how are you? I'm Greg,

19:54

despite the weight of our topic, her hospitality

19:57

was warm and inviting.

20:01

How are you guys? Nice to meet you. Good

20:04

to see you. James, how

20:06

are you doing sir? Oh, I'm hanging

20:09

in there. Yeah? My

20:12

aunt's a huggy. She's

20:15

the caretaker of that cemetery.

20:18

She's one of those dolls mowing and everything.

20:23

You can't make this shit up. Greg's

20:26

family is connected to the cemetery. This

20:29

changes things. I can't

20:31

stress enough how much I appreciate Greg and

20:33

Emily's support in this quest for truth.

20:36

As I was leaving their home,

20:38

a particular exchange struck me. You

20:40

got to go to where? Unless

20:45

you run up and hop on the tow road. Yeah.

20:48

That would be out of the way. You go down 6

20:51

to 17 and just up like a

20:53

mile on the tow road there. Yeah, they end

20:55

up in 120. 120 would take

20:57

you down toward the house. 45 minutes later,

20:59

you can only go 50, 55 on 120. Yeah,

21:05

where he's meeting them. The tow

21:07

road will dump them out. I didn't

21:09

think about that. North

21:11

of the house there. They can go 75, 80 out

21:13

there. Jobs

21:15

not done when we go back. You

21:17

better plan for floor over weather next time. I

21:19

know. Alright

21:21

guys. In that moment, saying goodbye

21:24

to Greg and Emily, I felt almost

21:26

like a child heading off to college. They

21:30

were mapping out my routes, discussing the fastest

21:32

ways to my next destination, and offering

21:34

little tidbits of advice as parents would. Their

21:37

guidance was both comforting and reassuring.

21:46

Once I returned to Washington, I followed

21:48

up with Greg and Emily and did the same with

21:50

Jessica. We

21:52

want to make sure that everyone was on the same page

21:54

and understand the next steps.

21:58

Greg forwards me, his family member's number.

21:59

the cemetery

22:02

sexton

22:12

Hello, hey, is this Barb? Yes,

22:15

it is Barb. Hey Barb. My name is James basing

22:17

her. I am a podcast Who is working with Greg

22:20

Wallace and the Britney shank his daughter's case? He

22:24

may have just called you Yes,

22:28

he did is now an okay time

22:30

maybe like for a three to five minute call

22:32

It is and actually

22:34

I'm gonna turn the TV down

22:36

because my husband and I are the ones that

22:38

take care of the cemetery I

22:41

mean nothing happens That

22:43

we don't know My

22:46

husband also does

22:49

all the cremation burials

22:52

That's good Greg

22:55

was telling me you it was

22:58

at

23:02

It's important to know that Barb and her husband Gerald

23:04

have been taking care of the cemetery for years They

23:07

are the gatekeepers of history, which could be

23:09

invaluable for this case

23:13

And was there a headstone?

23:15

Yes

23:18

Yeah One

23:22

of the spots that our GPR guy came

23:25

up today with and said there's something going

23:27

on here Don't know what's going on They would love to chat

23:29

with you guys just because I think they probably was just

23:31

a little bit more better Understanding of what they're seeing

23:34

just in case this is nothing that we need to look into but

23:36

you stated that the cremation

23:40

Buddies are in front Right

23:43

in front of it is where I was told from

23:45

the GPR is like the location of where the

23:48

ashes were buried the

23:48

urns I'm

23:51

gonna let you talk to my husband Gerald

23:54

for a minute and I'm gonna run and go

23:56

get the cemetery

23:59

Here's where Gerald, Barb's husband,

24:02

chimes in. He also helps manage the

24:04

cemetery and even does the cremation

24:06

burials. His input

24:08

could offer another layer of understanding about what's going

24:10

on at the cemetery.

24:12

Okay, I'm here. Here's

24:16

Gerald. Hey.

24:18

I don't know where they were put. I don't know what's

24:20

normal, but what I was told is in the front of

24:22

it where there remains would have been

24:25

put. Normally

24:28

they would be behind the gravestone

24:31

to the east of the gravestone. They

24:34

would not be in front of it. I mean, are

24:37

you saying these buried in the front

24:39

of it? Is that what you're saying?

24:44

I was confirmed by the GPR guy today

24:46

and the one on last week that they said that the

24:48

urn that where their cremations are at are in the front of

24:50

it. Now behind

24:53

that stone, our guy went out there

24:55

again. Today with a little bit more advanced GPR

24:57

system, and he's saying that there's something that's about

24:59

three feet deep. Task

25:02

it. And he said no.

25:05

Basically I think when I buried that, if

25:08

it's the one I'm thinking of, when

25:10

I buried those ashes that

25:13

was in a cardboard box, I

25:16

go two feet deep.

25:19

You know what? Yeah,

25:23

something's not right. Tomorrow

25:27

morning we'll run back there. If

25:31

Brittany's back there, somebody

25:33

has

25:34

been back there from a burial or

25:37

something that they would

25:39

be familiar enough to go to that

25:41

exact spot. There's

25:44

all those lots along the river and back

25:46

out of the way because the cemetery,

25:48

I mean, nobody's hardly ever back there.

25:51

I'm 99.9% sure that there should not be

25:54

a body at three feet. Not

26:00

there it's absolutely Impossible.

26:04

It just can't be let's

26:06

say again He's got

26:08

a very strong reason to believe that

26:10

that's a human remains. That's what he

26:12

believes it to be. What would be your guys's?

26:15

Decisions on what you guys would do or how we would go

26:17

about it I'm

26:21

not sure how that works either because

26:25

if you feel there's a body there I

26:29

Am almost thinking you're gonna

26:31

have to get On

26:34

the other hand the deeds that I have

26:36

have nobody else's names on them, but

26:39

this And

26:44

so who would you ask

26:46

I mean, you know, they're both deceased so

26:51

The main thing I would do we

26:53

have

26:53

a really good sheriff's department

26:56

You could reach out to

26:58

them if I were you I would deal

27:01

with Tracy Harker I don't know if

27:03

you've talked to him

27:04

at all down there. I have not

27:07

Tracy Tracy Harker's running

27:10

for sheriff He knows us all personally

27:13

and I think he would give you the best

27:15

advice on what to do

27:18

Anything we can do to help

27:19

reach out. We'll be here

27:23

As we wrap up the revealing conversation with Barb and

27:25

Gerald she gives me the name of someone

27:28

and encourages me to call She

27:30

also tells me if I drop her name, they

27:33

may help me get further Barb

27:35

offers to do some of her own research and

27:37

see what she's able to find out about the deceased

27:39

couple In my call with Barb.

27:42

She suggests that I called the LaGrange County Sheriff

27:44

Tracy Harker And

27:46

so that's exactly what I do when I hang up with her

27:50

He's friendly professional and

27:52

very helpful. I explained who sent

27:54

me and why I'm calling he tells

27:56

me and

27:57

I quote

27:59

What we can do is we will

28:02

reach out to him and obviously I'd

28:04

want to check with our prosecutor as well because

28:06

obviously this being a Michigan case and

28:08

if there is any remains found in our county obviously

28:11

we want to work with them as well and not do anything

28:14

to mess up any investigation.

28:17

Time is of the essence here. It's already

28:19

October and soon enough the ground

28:21

will freeze and we won't be able to do much until spring.

28:24

I'll relay the urgency to Harker.

28:26

Sure, yeah. I'll have our detective

28:29

reach out to Officer on but yeah, like

28:31

I said, if it's something that

28:32

we can wrap up or help him with our

28:34

investigation, I'd be more than happy

28:37

to do that.

28:38

Harker seems interested and easy to communicate with.

28:41

We work out a few details and before we end the conversation

28:44

he tells me one more time.

28:45

I'd be more than

28:48

happy to help out and if there was

28:50

something that we could help close this

28:52

case up, that would be great.

28:54

Hands off to Sheriff Harker. The

28:56

next day I'll follow up with Barb about the family

28:58

of the deceased. She was going

29:00

to do some of her own work and see if she can get in

29:02

contact using her resources. Hey

29:06

Barb, is James giving you a call back?

29:09

Yeah, it's funny you called just

29:11

now. I'm back at the cemetery.

29:16

We were researching who

29:18

kids were because we wanted to reach out to them. They

29:24

don't have any remaining kids, they don't have any kiddos. In

29:28

reference to the person who was up in Canada that we

29:30

thought Gerald was remembering, that

29:32

was actually a brother-in-law of his. He

29:35

actually didn't have anybody, it

29:37

was just the two of them.

29:40

I just know there

29:43

is not supposed

29:46

to be a body

29:47

in that life.

29:53

Just not much later when I get a call back from Barb,

29:55

she did as promised in research family and

29:58

we agree. There's no family available. for

30:00

us to speak to. So Barb

30:03

tells me we got the green light to dig and

30:05

move forward. While

30:08

I absolutely prefer that law enforcement handle this,

30:10

I'm prepared to fly back and do the work myself if

30:12

necessary.

30:15

Detective Otten calls me. We have a

30:18

date to check the cemetery. We

30:20

circled the date on our calendars. This is

30:22

an important piece. Either way it goes,

30:25

we find out what we're looking for or we're

30:28

able to cross it off the list. So

30:31

we'll wait, even though it isn't easy.

30:35

A few days pass but it feels like time is dragging its

30:37

feet. I check my phone several times

30:39

just to make sure it's working and then I

30:41

see Detective Otten's name flash across

30:43

my phone screen. Finally,

30:47

it's a sobering thought to know that I could

30:49

be just minutes away from hearing that Brittany is giving

30:51

home. But then it

30:53

hits me. I slap across the face.

30:55

Otten

30:58

tells me nothing came from it. I

31:01

kept asking him to confirm the location one more

31:03

time. I just want to be sure. He confirms

31:06

the location they dug. He

31:08

says he's sorry and that he wishes he had some answers.

31:12

He shares his appreciation of our efforts

31:14

and I let him go. I don't want

31:17

to discuss it anymore at this moment. I'm

31:19

disappointed and I feel a sense

31:21

of emptiness,

31:22

a loss of hope, a feeling of

31:24

frustration.

31:54

There's a lot of mixed emotions when leads get wrapped up.

31:59

each lead is taken seriously. During

32:03

moments of discovering the truth, I feel initial

32:05

relief. I

32:07

want to believe that Brittany is still alive. Somehow,

32:11

some way, I follow

32:14

up with disappointment. If

32:16

Brittany isn't with us, she should be laid

32:18

to rest for her family desires. So

32:21

not finding Brittany is a loss. I

32:24

remind myself that there's a silver lining in this. We're

32:28

able to cross this lead off and we're continuing to

32:30

narrow things down. This

32:31

brings us to

32:33

something that I've

32:34

been wanting

32:36

to share with you guys for a while.

32:52

I'm

32:59

going

33:01

to interview with Paige.

33:06

He sent you the messages this morning.

33:08

Or sent you a message this morning saying,

33:11

get at me ASAP. You

33:13

respond, we'll do working right now. Give me a few.

33:16

If he responds, I got everything.

33:18

I reply,

33:20

strong statement. Showering off, I'll

33:22

call shortly. What's

33:35

up buddy?

33:39

Do you got anybody else present

33:41

right now? No sir, no

33:43

sir. So

33:47

you told me you got everything. How the fuck did

33:49

you get what does that mean? I

33:52

told you she was here and gone. She

33:55

came back last

33:58

night. I

34:01

have everything.

34:05

Remember, it's

34:07

important to recognize that the very words you choose

34:09

might one day be used as a formidable tool against

34:11

you. I've held

34:13

off sharing for reasons I'm not willing to divulge at

34:16

this moment. However, I think

34:18

now is an appropriate time to tell you this story. Before

34:22

continuing my call with Cage, I

34:24

need to back up for all

34:26

of this to make sense. In

34:30

early 2022, Cage reached out to

34:32

me not long after getting out of jail. Him

34:35

and Ashley had gone on Facebook official with their relationship.

34:38

What were Ashley and Cage's intentions? Cage

34:41

said that it was to get a rise out of people. They

34:44

were looking for a reaction. You

34:46

know, the people who are missing

34:49

their daughter, sister, granddaughter,

34:51

cousin, and niece really need

34:53

emotional prodding. Cage and

34:55

I interviewed shortly after publicly professing

34:57

his love for Ashley. But regardless,

35:00

the post did exactly what it was intended to do. Our

35:02

inbox notifications go off with people

35:04

sharing the recent post of Ashley and Cage's relationship

35:07

status as a couple. Cage

35:09

and I spoke later that day. You heard this in

35:11

a previous episode. Now considering

35:14

the foundation of their relationship, I know

35:16

you'll be shocked to hear this, but Cage and Ashley's

35:18

relationship doesn't last long. Very

35:21

shortly after they go their separate ways, Cage

35:23

messages me to share how things unfolded. I'm

35:25

seeing grown

35:26

man. I can't. I don't want

35:28

to deal with that shit. You know what I mean? I listen

35:30

to your fucking podcast thing. A

35:33

tattoo needle. You know what I mean? Yeah, this shit with

35:35

me and Ashley, man. This shit didn't work out, dude. I mean. What?

35:38

What did you think it was going to? Like,

35:41

honestly, she is. I mean, she's different. how

36:00

much feeling and emotion she has, supposedly

36:02

for her motherfucking friend, you know,

36:04

don't wanna live the rest of her life without a motherfucker,

36:07

you know what I mean? And I'm starting to think in my head,

36:09

just because she can't have conversations,

36:11

she can't express her motherfucking feelings, but she can do

36:14

all that shit. She can communicate with you hours on

36:16

in. This played out. And she

36:18

sat in the driveway for about a day and a half,

36:20

and I told my dude's girl, said, look, I've

36:23

been as cool as I can with her. It's

36:25

your driveway, do something about it. And she

36:27

come out here and she started kick fucking rocks, and

36:29

she was

36:29

gone, she was gone again.

36:32

A few days pass after I speak to Cage, and

36:35

it seemed to me they had the Las Vegas for crime con.

36:38

Cage tells me he has something important to share with me.

36:40

I get a text message from him asking to speak

36:42

with me.

36:48

I told you she was here and gone.

36:52

She, um,

36:56

came back.

36:58

Last night for some eyeball-ass

37:01

reason.

37:02

She came as far as being in the driveway, and

37:05

I'm sitting up here in the day of my bed, whatever,

37:07

and my homegirl, Des, comes up and she says, hey, you know, I

37:09

asked you to ask her outside. I'm like, what the

37:11

fuck is she outside for? I don't know, I'm

37:14

gonna go bust her fucking windows out. Okay,

37:18

cool, I'll go watch. So

37:20

I get down in here and I said, I

37:22

asked you to text us, I said, look, this is the best place

37:24

you could be. I said, Des has pissed,

37:26

everybody's mad, you burnt every fucking bridge you had,

37:29

you gotta go. You can't fucking, I don't want you to see

37:31

me make my son a good, you gotta go. Well,

37:34

when she left here, the first time,

37:36

she stole a laptop

37:38

and a cell phone. Who's

37:41

laptop and cell phone?

37:43

Des is.

37:47

So she says, you

37:49

know, tells her, you know, this was like a couple of days

37:51

ago. She's like, you know, she realized

37:53

that she didn't have her computer and it's

37:56

not like she was missing it, but she

37:58

was because she was supposed to fix it.

37:59

it and then didn't have a cord for her or something dumb.

38:03

Well, she took it and that's where she went to

38:05

bed. Well, she come back

38:08

last night out of the blue, no way

38:10

in which she was coming, sat in the driveway

38:13

and she was trying to tell

38:15

the dads that she had to wait

38:18

because the phone was at like 10%

38:20

before she gets back to reset it and

38:23

she didn't wait for it to charge whatever. She's

38:25

impatient. She goes out

38:27

there and with a hammer, she

38:29

goes out there with a hammer. The

38:32

laptop is in the back seat, the

38:34

front seat with the window down. Dad's

38:39

reach is in there and yanks the laptop.

38:43

Ashley tries to get it back

38:46

but dad says, she's strong.

38:48

She's strong. She's back, she's strong.

38:51

Somehow gets the cell phone to and

38:54

then tells her, you know, she's trying to ignore her like she

38:56

can sit in the park in the driveway. So her

38:58

dad's kind of like knocks on her window with the

39:00

hammer and says, look, but if you want to leave it to winners

39:03

in fact, that's a best of means. She

39:05

left. We kind of had Mike

39:07

kind of follow her out to make sure she was actually

39:09

been in the park.

39:11

She didn't leave. She stayed

39:13

close enough

39:15

to where dad picked up the phone

39:18

and noticed that it was on a camera

39:20

of some sort like she was videotaping from

39:22

another phone. You know,

39:24

you can do that. Put a phone down, have it up, walk

39:27

away.

39:29

And then she goes in this email part of it

39:31

like she's looking through it

39:35

real quick. 46 fucking

39:37

accounts logged

39:40

in on that phone and

39:43

one of them, a

39:44

couple of them probably, you know, I've seen

39:47

like one or two

39:48

majority of them, you know,

39:50

are everybody else's.

39:52

She said, Britney's was the first one that popped

39:54

up

39:55

and I remember actually asking

39:57

dad for a spare Samsung phone.

39:59

so she could put an account on it. Well,

40:04

he said that that was Brittany's

40:06

account and I didn't take it seriously because obviously

40:10

everybody's account's on that motherfucker.

40:12

Well,

40:13

she starts flipping through it and

40:15

says, how's about a congratulations to Brittany, your credit

40:17

score is doing fine. So obviously Ashley is

40:19

monitoring Brittany's

40:21

shit.

40:22

Well, before we can even do anything with it,

40:25

the phone beeps, she puts another charger and everything

40:27

starts to leave me stuff. By the time, remotely,

40:30

by the time she made it from

40:32

my room to hers, which is right

40:34

across the hallway and grabbed the charger, it

40:37

already was on a factory data reset. I

40:41

did everything I could to try to pull it back. Nothing

40:44

worked, okay? Charged

40:46

it, let it go, but listen, listen,

40:49

the laptop,

40:51

we were locked out of it. I'm

40:54

not smart, not stupid.

40:56

Boom, gotta send her the laptop. We're

40:59

flipping through it a little bit more, you know what I mean? Blah,

41:01

blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, we're logged into

41:04

Ashley's Hotmail account. Yeah,

41:07

it's a shit account, there's

41:09

nothing on it. You know what I mean? There's

41:11

here and there stuff, there's safe stuff with her and Jessica.

41:14

Like it's completely random of nothing.

41:17

But for some reason, Ashley

41:19

is still remotely close to where

41:22

I'm watching stuff on this disappear.

41:25

I got it on, I voted up just about everything

41:27

I could. I got all

41:29

her stuff on one side, pimp her, and

41:31

I got Rithub on the other. So

41:34

I literally battled with her all night last night.

41:37

Every time she takes off, I put her back. Every time she

41:39

do it, I recover it. Every time she put it away,

41:41

I brought her back. All night, yeah, so

41:44

literally she's that close because you only have

41:46

Boosties brand, maybe a little bit more

41:48

because we have Boosters. She's on a ghost

41:50

IP. I

41:53

go to track my devices, what

41:56

devices is my shit logged into? And

41:59

she's literally...

43:50

She

44:00

doesn't use the email that everybody

44:02

thinks she's using. And since

44:04

she wasn't gonna put her stuff on there, I

44:07

told you I'm not illiterate, you know what

44:09

I mean? And I got fucking tired of hearing

44:12

my name and bullshit and

44:14

misdating the other and how I'm not full of might.

44:17

I seen the opportunity to do it. She yanked

44:20

it.

44:20

I didn't give her the chance. She said, I want a factory.

44:23

I said, hey, don't get the option, bitch. This is mine. You

44:25

took it from the beginning. Took you and I yanked it right out of her

44:27

passenger window. Or no, she grabbed on it and

44:29

said, oh, I said, fucking bitch. Stand

44:31

back and saw her, grab the hammer, went back

44:34

out there and she was on the phone. I said, give me the phone

44:36

now, Ashley. She said, no, I need 10% to

44:38

effectively reach that. And I said, give me the fucking

44:40

phone or you leave with no windows, you pick. That's

44:42

your only two options. Wait, fucking no. She

44:45

turned around and ignored me. I fucking chat, chat, chat

44:47

on the window and she finally got rid of her phone.

44:50

I don't fuck around. That's the problem. And she

44:53

knew that. I explained that to her.

44:55

Don't come to my house where my kids are causing no fucking

44:57

bullshit. I don't care if you were loud or not, we came here.

44:59

You came here unwelcome, unwanted,

45:02

unannounced.

45:07

So you have all that stuff like in your

45:09

possession right now. Here's the phone right

45:12

here.

45:13

The phone I couldn't say, I tried. Phone's

45:15

a little more a pain in the dick because

45:18

they run off of either one system

45:20

or another. They don't have, I can't

45:22

dual screen anything.

45:26

As soon as I went to unlock

45:28

it, I was on it, in my hand, looking

45:30

at the screen. I'm like, oh, Daniel, we're in. We got this

45:32

shit.

45:33

As soon as I started to click

45:35

on

45:35

one thing, it would disappear. It would go right into

45:37

the home screen. Let's click on someone.

45:40

It disappeared. God.

45:40

And it showed up on the top. I

45:43

find my device. I've located this device. And

45:45

then as soon as it says that, boom, everything starts to

45:47

shut down. I go plug it in real quick. And

45:49

it was like one thing after another. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. The

45:52

phone shuts off.

45:53

And as soon as the fucking, it

45:54

starts to charge just a little bit, a blue screen

45:56

pops up with a little Android guy phenomenon. It says factory

45:59

data reset. in progress.

46:02

The very first thing that popped up out of anything

46:04

is soon as I unlocked the phone. And soon as

46:06

I unlocked the phone, the first thing to go off is all that

46:08

it's Brittany. It's like it's talking to Brittany.

46:11

It's like it's Brittany's phone. This is what it was. It

46:13

was imitating or mimicking that it was Brittany's

46:15

phone.

46:16

How'd you figure that out? That Brittany,

46:18

it's like it flat out through emails that were coming

46:20

through. They were all cradled

46:23

to Brittany. The whole reason that I

46:25

even, that she even asked for the phone was because

46:27

she told me,

46:28

and I said, okay, so wait, when you lose access

46:31

to your Samsung account, Samsung will

46:33

be using the phone to

46:34

get back into your account, and you have it for several

46:36

hours. They have that phone for so long that they're

46:39

being exposed to get your information

46:41

out of whatever account that you've

46:43

unlocked out of. So she told

46:45

me that I gave her the phone, that she had 10 days

46:47

before the time she asked for that phone.

46:50

And I remember,

46:51

oh, shit, I got a phone down soon,

46:53

and my assistant's there. And I went to help

46:54

him up. He got the phone out for me. I gave it to Ashley.

46:57

She saw me that day, that night,

46:59

get 10 days

47:01

before Samsung was expired that

47:03

book, to get all the information

47:05

that was left on that account that she didn't have access

47:07

to to get it off there,

47:09

or it was all gone.

47:10

She said everything

47:12

she'd worked for is gone, she said. But

47:14

yet,

47:15

bitch, you're still on it. You, 10 days,

47:18

my fucking ass. Why

47:20

are you not all right about stupid little, petty shit?

47:24

And what did you say in your pocket? Oftentimes,

47:28

the person who did it, the killer,

47:30

the whoever,

47:32

inserts themselves in investigation because

47:35

they want to know what the fuck is up. They want to

47:37

know why everybody

47:38

has to know the throw of

47:40

the page, if the attention can't

47:42

get on them or that. And it's the only way to know

47:44

that, is to insert yourself in it. That's

47:46

why she's so in this. That's why she's

47:48

so balled deep in finding out

47:50

any little details.

47:52

The rest of it, all these are people accountable.

47:55

That should be a nosy.

47:57

These people probably wouldn't have a place on your head

47:59

to want to know.

47:59

If you didn't dig into their fucking

48:02

business, you probably better not have shipped

48:04

that incriminating from other people. That's why

48:06

they weren't trapped. There's still a whole lot. I haven't

48:08

gone through that.

48:11

So obviously this is all being recorded,

48:14

Cage. Like,

48:17

if you have her stuff and there's the answers are

48:19

in there, like this isn't something to fuck around me like careless

48:22

with, you know what I mean? Oh, they're all like this.

48:25

No, I get that part. I'm

48:27

not

48:28

taking off anything. Like I'm leaving

48:31

everything as is. She

48:33

left her lab right. She's like, well

48:35

Eric Glide wants me dead anyway. He's the one that fucking

48:38

did everything, blah, blah, blah. I'm just going to go visit

48:40

Eric Glide. Eric Glide. She's obsessed with Eric

48:42

Glide. I don't know what it is about Eric Glide, but he's

48:44

obsessed with this dude. You

48:49

brought it up about, you know, using it for good.

48:51

And if you had her account, why didn't you do this?

48:54

And why didn't you do that? I

48:56

could understand letting that go and

48:58

not getting upset about it because you got into the account,

49:01

right? It's

49:03

an email account. You got into it. It's a

49:05

Facebook account. You got into it. Whatever.

49:08

Britney didn't have Snapchat,

49:11

YouTube, fuck book. You

49:14

know what I mean? She didn't have all that shit

49:16

going on.

49:17

You look at this. Britney's got Snapchat. Britney's

49:20

got Bank

49:20

of America. Britney's got text free. Britney's got, you know, the

49:22

bank of America. Britney's got the bank of America. Britney's got the bank of

49:24

America. Britney's got the bank of America. Britney's got, defending

49:29

her address. Okay, I get that. Uh,

49:32

try to help your friend out. Okay,

49:34

I can maybe deal with that. Turning

49:37

it in? Cool.

49:38

Help your friend out.

49:40

But why in the fuck are you still

49:42

using all her fucking email addresses

49:45

for your own personal gang? And, and

49:47

due to her shit is literally, you

49:49

know, it's, it's

49:51

here, dude. Is there a way I can

49:53

get, I can, I can get my hands on it? I

49:57

can and I can't, I don't, I mean, I wouldn't.

50:00

As far as I save it in the same format

50:03

that it's in. It's not like I can just

50:05

right click

50:07

and send it to you as Like

50:09

a website right in the simple is like going

50:12

to YouTube right and So

50:14

long in sharing with my homie I would

50:16

I mean if you can if it's simply

50:18

just looking through it and you're not having to log

50:20

in or like access Her accounts

50:23

could that would be and you know, even

50:25

I had all people she deserves. I still not going

50:27

to encourage it. I

50:29

Have Eric take out to I

50:36

See what I've seen and as

50:39

soon as I like had the right

50:42

mind of thought I Got

50:44

old you What your

50:46

thoughts on shipping it?

50:49

That's kind of like a herd deal, I don't know Okay,

50:53

I can talk and ask her obviously I don't I don't need anybody

50:55

to obviously it's her It's her

50:57

stuff and I don't want her to obviously feel

51:00

like I'm trying to take it I honestly just

51:02

want to read go through the entire thing to see if I

51:04

could find something and if not I can

51:06

hand deliver Or ship it right back when I'm done She

51:09

might be a little hasty with it. Not just because like the

51:12

last time I don't think but it's like The

51:16

intent is with it we're gonna do it. I need to

51:18

delete it. I mean, yeah Yeah,

51:21

if I can you know, anyway, I mean

51:23

I don't I can ask her and I

51:26

can't Here's

51:28

some more of Some

51:31

more of it like these are just

51:33

files Hey

51:40

she leaving Why

51:44

do I need to leave my own house? No, you want to ask

51:46

you if somehow if I can't figure out I'll ship

51:48

any of this stuff to him like

51:50

Whatever, I mean if I can

51:52

upload it on a USB or something

51:54

hard something something if I can

51:57

Let me ask me a second. Let me talk

51:59

to her Okay, but we're turning around

52:02

all right. Let me turn around shooting talk face-to-face

52:04

with a Hello

52:08

I'm gonna be heading back up there to do some

52:10

more stuff. Obviously. I want to get my hands

52:12

on this. Oh Yeah

52:22

How about we don't mess with the extracting

52:25

and take this chance of Deletion

52:28

or anything going wrong and you

52:30

will just will just ship it to you

52:32

or if you plan on coming up

52:35

here and you want to hear and get it whatever where you guys

52:37

work that out, but Like

52:39

if you want to come up to our house, you're more than welcome.

52:41

We you know, whatever

52:43

This is powerful information, man. I promise

52:45

you there's I mean, you're probably you're gonna you're

52:47

gonna get somewhere farther with it then probably but human

52:50

I will because you probably have more anyways

52:52

to dig in and Certain things are

52:54

gonna stick out to you

52:54

that don't stick out to us because you already know certain things

52:57

that we don't

52:58

Yeah, I appreciate

53:00

it.

53:01

Yeah. Well see that's why I thought

53:03

you my dog

53:08

It'd

53:12

be all in your hands man, okay Damn

53:17

is dog. Yeah, I will I

53:20

appreciate you All

53:23

right, oh

53:30

I don't know what to expect with that right now. Okay, I want

53:32

to be hopeful and like think

53:35

that I think everything's on there

53:39

This call leaves me with a lot of questions What

53:42

cage described as a laptop full of usernames

53:44

passwords personal information of a

53:47

lot of people and at this moment I

53:49

don't know what I'm dealing with. I mean

53:51

how many usernames and passwords I Mean

53:54

more importantly does any of the content

53:56

on that laptop have to do with Brittany?

53:59

She's our focus

54:01

Cage agrees to send me the laptop and our call

54:03

ends. Just

54:05

a brief time after our discussion, word

54:08

gets out that Cage was in possession of Ashley's

54:10

laptop. Cue

54:13

the circus. For a

54:15

quick minute, it feels like we've stepped into a three-ring

54:17

show. It appeared Cage started

54:19

to have a change of heart. I called him back

54:21

to see what the delay was all about.

54:24

What's going on guys?

54:28

What's the latest? Are you able to mail

54:30

that thing?

54:31

I mean,

54:34

I guess

54:34

I am. I mean, I've been using it for other

54:36

shit too, but I don't. I

54:39

mean, everything that's pretty much on here, I have

54:42

backed up to a flash

54:45

drive and an SD card. So

54:48

I really don't need to send the computer if I don't have to. You

54:50

know what I mean? That's all I was going

54:52

to tell you. But, yeah.

54:54

I mean, I'm still... I can do either way. I

54:56

can either send you the SD

54:58

card, I can send you the SD, the fucking

55:00

flash drive, or if you

55:03

had an email, I can send

55:05

it all in one big fucking

55:08

clusterfuck of exactly what I'm looking

55:10

at. You have to kind of just wait for everything. It's

55:12

click, click, click, click, click, click, click. Like, you'll click on

55:14

one file, this is Brittany, and it'll give you like five more

55:16

files.

55:18

Yeah, I mean, dude, I've done a whole lot, you know what I mean? But

55:20

like, not a whole lot. So,

55:23

but I want to turn this around. I'm going to show you. I

55:25

feel like

55:27

Cage is giving me the runaround.

55:29

Cage had been residing at his friend's house and ended

55:32

up losing that place to stay. Fortunately,

55:35

during my time speaking to Cage while he was living there,

55:37

the owner of the laptop, Desiree

55:39

and I had the opportunity to speak via Cage.

55:42

We developed a good rapport, so after Cage

55:44

was asked to leave, I was comfortable

55:46

enough reaching out to Desiree to ask her if she

55:49

would be willing to send or bring the laptop to

55:51

the sheriff's office. She

55:54

was very cooperative and indicated

55:56

that she had no problem turning her laptop over to St. Joe County. I

56:00

update Otton on what's going on and share Desiree's

56:02

phone number with him. For reasons

56:05

I won't share now, the exchange never occurs.

56:09

Sometime later, Jessica and I are speaking about the situation,

56:11

and unbeknownst to me, Jessica

56:14

makes her mind out that she wants to collect the info from

56:16

the laptop and get it to Detective Otton. So,

56:21

I'm caught off guard one afternoon when Jessica

56:23

tells me that she has the SD

56:25

cards that she has made from the laptop.

56:32

After

56:56

Jessica turns into SD cards, she doesn't hear back

56:59

from them.

57:12

And

57:17

Jessica can't confirm if anything was on the SD

57:19

cards. She never looked at the contents

57:22

because she did what I advised her to do, take it to

57:24

authorities. I don't feel

57:26

like we should stop there. But

57:29

I call Desiree to

57:31

see if she'd be willing to send me the laptop. Desiree

57:34

says yes. Jessica

57:38

takes the lead, makes the drive to meet Desiree, picks

57:41

up the laptop, and gets it shipped off.

57:43

She sends me a play-by-play every step of the way.

57:47

Hey, I need you to call me.

57:54

I got a date and time that we are going to Detroit.

57:57

You have the laptops, and I need to talk to you.

58:03

Jessica makes her way to the post office with a

58:05

laptop in tow, gets it packaged with the

58:07

tracking number, and in the matter of a

58:09

few hours, the laptop is now on its

58:11

way.

58:12

Nope. Not this time.

58:15

This time, I got it. And

58:18

that is a fact, Jack. Um,

58:21

cause I wasn't gonna say nothing

58:23

to you guys about going on and getting it because I knew you were trying to be

58:25

sending me money and shit, and I'm not gonna do that. Yup

58:27

yup. It's all good. And

58:30

I talked to dad, it was cool, everything's cool,

58:32

but it's coming to you, so, um,

58:35

wanna make sure it's cool.

58:38

I get notified that a package has arrived.

58:44

I open the package, and

58:46

there it is. Months

58:49

later, it's now sitting

58:51

in front of me. It's

58:53

in rough condition. I

58:56

called Sarah to show her that it's arrived. This

59:01

has been a long time in the making. We're

59:03

eager to power it on. I

59:07

push the power button, but it

59:09

appears the battery's dead, and I've got no

59:11

charger for that type of laptop. I

59:14

jump in my car and make a dash to Best Buy. Touch

59:16

is the charger, and we turn home. I

59:19

plug it in, and hit the power button. I

59:23

can hear it starting up. Then

59:26

the screen turns on. The

59:29

home screen loads,

59:32

and there's only one profile to select from. Ashley.

59:38

Underneath her name, an empty box. Password.

59:41

Shit.

59:45

So, who do I turn to? Podcast

59:49

or a joke? That's Ethan.

59:52

I asked him if he can help me. This is a slightly

59:54

merrier version. Hey, yeah,

59:56

I can attempt to crack the password on that. the

1:00:00

type of user account she had and

1:00:03

which version of Windows is on there. If it's

1:00:05

Windows 7, 8, or maybe 10,

1:00:08

I can crack it a lot easier,

1:00:10

but if it's Windows 11, the encryption

1:00:13

is a quite a bit stronger. I

1:00:15

make the drive and drop a laptop off of Ethan. It's

1:00:19

no more than a couple hours. Ethan

1:00:22

sends me a video message.

1:00:32

I'm in. It's

1:00:36

important to recognize that the very words you choose

1:00:38

might one day be used as a formidable

1:00:41

tool against you. Yes,

1:00:45

I've seen what's in there. Is

1:00:50

the info relevant to Brittany's case? Absolutely.

1:00:56

You're exceptional at making shit confusing. Evidently,

1:01:02

you've dedicated time and effort to perfecting that

1:01:04

skill. I have a ton of

1:01:06

questions, even if you're not inclined to answer

1:01:08

them. Life

1:01:12

will let you get away with some things for a while, but

1:01:16

sooner or later, the universe

1:01:18

will show you the price for your behavior. Everything

1:01:22

you do in this life comes down to cause and effect.

1:01:24

When you get that bill, you

1:01:28

better be prepared to pay the price. No

1:01:32

more SD cards. See you guys

1:01:34

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