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1:51

Twenty

1:51

four hundred states Brady Gillum went to started

1:53

tonight to speak with the missing woman's

1:55

mother about

1:56

what may have happened to her daughter.

2:00

I can tell you what she most likely is.

2:04

I hadn't seen anybody that I felt comfortable

2:06

saying anything too

2:08

until today. The

2:10

stories they tell are pretty they're

2:12

pretty freaking gruesome.

2:15

I kept all the text messages,

2:17

Facebook messages, just the messages

2:19

between me and Britney. I have all of them.

2:22

I have everything. I

2:25

told to all my motherfuckers, and

2:28

was gonna have my people, but I couldn't take

2:30

care of it. I'll

2:33

just say for these damn out of nowhere just to see

2:35

what somebody said. Is this

2:37

little town around here and be hard to hike

2:39

something like that? because eventually

2:41

everything goes down. To

2:44

me, some things, I don't believe anything happened

2:46

to where I think there's a lot.

2:49

This is Hytenc. Season

2:51

three. I'm your host,

2:54

James Baysinger.

3:09

Hey, guys.

3:12

In our last episode, you

3:14

heard how things unfolded the morning of the polygraph.

3:18

Ashley is being difficult about showing up.

3:22

Jessica had to be concerned for a bit, thinking

3:24

she may not show.

3:27

She said she tossed and turned all night thinking about

3:29

this morning and woke up late.

3:31

But what counts right now is

3:33

that she's here. That's

3:35

what matters.

3:37

She's here for Britney. I

3:40

do wanna take a brief moment to address the

3:42

situation with Jessica showing up late.

3:47

Being accused of murdering your own child

3:49

is probably one of the most emotionally challenging

3:52

events that someone can face.

3:54

Someone who kills their own child

3:56

is mercifully rare, but

3:58

is the opposite of a good parent.

3:59

It's pure evil. and

4:02

evil begins when people treat others like thieves.

4:05

People, especially ones

4:08

own children, are not thieves.

4:11

Let

4:11

me be very clear. I'm not here to

4:14

defend Jessica's actions and I won't beat

4:16

around the bush. I was frustrated

4:18

when she wasn't answering. but

4:20

I've come to the conclusion that I have to

4:22

give credit where credit is due. She

4:24

was aware she needed to be on standby

4:26

in case Ashley did show. It

4:29

wasn't a set deal, so I chalked it

4:31

up to experience.

4:34

Today, we find out if

4:36

Jessica had any part in British appearance

4:38

or has any knowledge of what

4:40

happened to her daughter.

4:43

Last week, we left off with a phone

4:45

call to Victor Britney's brother.

4:48

Before Ethan and I go back inside. For

4:51

context, I wanna back up and give you

4:53

guys a picture sure of how things went between

4:55

Jessica and the polygraph examiner Brad,

4:58

once Ethan and Matt left. After

5:00

much deliberation, Sarah

5:03

and I feel it would be best to let you

5:05

hear the pre interview conducted by the

5:07

polygraph examiner for yourselves.

5:10

with the exception of personal information

5:12

that has been removed.

5:14

This way, you're hearing the

5:16

answers and information in

5:18

Jessica's own words.

5:21

ah

5:24

Same way. The examiner heard

5:27

them.

5:35

Okay. So your last name's Roth? Yes.

5:37

So let's get some information here first

5:39

time. Yes. What's your first name? Jessica.

5:46

Okay.

5:46

So you understand why you're here. Correct?

5:50

What

5:50

you understand why you're She

5:54

take a polygraph to and

5:56

my daughter's kid admit missing case.

6:02

And

6:02

you and you haven't heard from her about nothing.

6:04

What do you think happened?

6:08

I

6:08

think these guys got all of her. We

6:12

mean, you think you guys got all of her? Yeah. I think guys

6:14

got all of her some people that she got

6:16

maybe hung up and said it was the wrong

6:18

crowd. Exactly. And maybe

6:20

she You

6:22

know, she knew something, maybe she wasn't

6:25

involved in something, maybe I'm

6:28

not really sure why the reasoning might be.

6:31

Let's see the days to date. I'm

6:34

gonna read this form to you before we get started

6:36

here. Okay. Hi, Jessica Roth. Do

6:38

hereby volunteer without dress caution or

6:40

promise of reward or immunity, sent to an examination by

6:42

the polygraph instrument. Having had the

6:44

same explained to me, I hear by a release resolved

6:46

for the word armor, polygraph examiner. the

6:48

request to agency and all the employees running

6:50

all claims. I understand results,

6:52

public examination, including the payments examiner,

6:55

anything else obtained, examination can be

6:57

used for against many foreign laws, or

6:59

legal action.

7:00

In your case,

7:02

everything's going to

7:04

the the the investigator that you talked to.

7:06

Okay? Yeah. I just wanted them formed the

7:08

following information of a holographic examination area. It

7:10

does contain a two way mirror camera

7:12

device, which I may be observed. polygraphic

7:15

examination will be recorded. That

7:17

the right terminates, test date time.

7:18

That

7:19

the right will be given the opportunity to review all questions,

7:21

be asked during test about four questions I wanna ask

7:24

you. We'll review them. There's nothing secret here. Okay?

7:26

And that everything's above board as far as you're

7:28

gonna know these before you you get submitted

7:30

with the questions and and the exam. Okay?

7:32

there's also gonna be questions I'll hear about your background.

7:35

Okay. Whether you lie

7:37

about stuff constantly, whether you've

7:39

done things in your lifetime

7:42

that's not above board. You

7:44

know, stolen stuff here, different

7:47

sexual things for money or or drugs,

7:49

or different things like that. Okay? Everything

7:51

in your background is not meant to embarrass you. It's just

7:53

stuff I need to know where we're gonna go with this

7:55

exam with. Okay? Information

7:58

required from the Polygraph test, maybe

7:59

disclosed by the examiner the following. To

8:02

me or any other person specifically does need

8:04

to rain by middle receive such information, the

8:06

court, government agency arbitrator, media

8:08

retains court order. local state of

8:10

federal law enforcement officers. I know I need you to do

8:12

it. So it's a sign that

8:14

there and date it.

8:16

So, I

8:16

mean, here's what he wants to know. Do

8:19

you know the identity of the males who was in

8:21

with Britney the night she disappeared? Do

8:23

you

8:24

know who's responsible for Britney's

8:26

disappearance? Do you know

8:28

where Britney is?

8:30

Are you

8:31

responsible for your daughter as his parents?

8:33

Okay. So why

8:34

did why did they focus on you? because

8:36

your mother? Or No.

8:38

Because it's the the girl well,

8:41

Ashley, the the girl just speak of. Anyway,

8:43

she

8:46

you know, of course, in the beginning, it

8:48

wasn't so much that anybody's, you

8:50

know, had come, you know, accusing

8:53

me, but then she was gone for so long

8:55

and that Ashley has been

8:57

really adamant about pointing the finger at

8:59

me. So he kind of stared at the pot. She

9:01

stole I mean, she's putting the finger at you. Saying

9:03

that I had something to do with it.

9:05

Okay. So What'd you say? It's

9:07

not just that that I did it. And so

9:09

I mean, would she would she say you didn't? There's no

9:11

there was no specifics at all. What

9:13

happened? How did the girl come about with her to with

9:15

your daughter missing? She Well,

9:19

Britney and I were we weren't even talking this time

9:21

because which makes me even worse,

9:23

but she gave up my four

9:25

grandkids to to the

9:27

state. And she

9:29

I was mad at her for it, you know. I thought

9:31

you had you made those kids take care of

9:34

them. And I was really upset with her about it,

9:36

and they ended up getting adopted out.

9:39

And so then she

9:41

she was doing her thing and she

9:43

was staying with a

9:43

boyfriend's Sheldon and Apparently, they got

9:46

into an argument. And she said, you're not gonna let

9:48

me when I go

9:48

to my my grandma's side. Basically, I'm gonna go

9:50

I'm gonna go to the next one. November

9:53

thirtieth of two

9:53

thousand eighteen. Okay.

9:55

So she just

9:56

basically telling me, I'm gonna go get messed up tonight,

9:58

you know, whatever.

9:59

So parents went

10:02

to her grandmother's with this

10:04

guy that nobody really knows who he is.

10:06

And she was not she got to

10:08

an accident on the road. And well, I

10:10

say accident but the car there's

10:12

nothing on the car. There's nothing. No airbags went off.

10:14

No nothing. Okay. She goes to a house

10:16

looking for help. She's got no shoes. No shoes.

10:18

That's where. It's out far

10:20

north of a

10:20

road and workmen out there

10:23

in in Michigan by borough area

10:25

of the country. and she

10:28

went to a couple houses looking for help. She's got

10:29

no shoes on, no coda, no socks on. I

10:32

guess she was bleeding from her arm and

10:34

her and her leg. which I think

10:36

is from maybe going through the woods. There's a lot

10:38

of frickers back there -- Okay. -- four bushes. And

10:42

she calls the police and a couple times and

10:44

leaves and then She leaves

10:46

there. The old man went in the house,

10:48

you know? She wouldn't go in the house with this old

10:50

man. She was just in the

10:52

driveway.

10:52

And when the old man went back to in the house

10:55

to call an hour and one again,

10:58

she took off after I give her coat.

11:00

Okay. She went to another house then.

11:02

Where were you at this night? I was

11:04

in Burlington, Michigan.

11:06

Brad? Burlington. Okay. Over

11:08

by I don't know if you don't, Michigan very well, but

11:10

I don't. Okay. No. north of

11:13

I'm kind of north of a little bit. About So

11:15

how far north of where she was? About

11:18

an hour. Okay. She's

11:20

around an hour away. Yeah. Did you talk to

11:22

her that night? No. When's the last time you talked

11:24

to her before that? October, I believe. End

11:26

of October. What was the

11:28

conversation then? Not yet. How

11:30

bad? What how bad?

11:32

Like, what was going on?

11:37

I know

11:37

you guys had a troubled relationship, but I mean,

11:45

We

11:45

just argued. We just argued. You ended. Honestly,

11:47

I I've kind of blacked out of my head.

11:49

I mean, it's I just we

11:52

have just made

11:52

me to each other. And

11:55

that's

11:55

what, you know, our relationship was was

11:56

rocky, but

12:02

Okay.

12:02

okay And

12:03

what were you arguing over that night?

12:06

October.

12:07

mama

12:09

I

12:10

don't really know, I guess, maybe the kids

12:13

and just we weren't really arguing about

12:15

anything specific just just just

12:17

being mean to

12:17

each other. So did she go with you?

12:20

At

12:20

one time, she did. Yeah. Okay.

12:21

During this time, she was That's what I'm messaging. During

12:23

this time, she was living with her boyfriend.

12:25

How far away was that in this? hour

12:28

away?

12:28

Yeah. That's what that was. Yeah. St. Allen,

12:30

she was I mean, there isn't any is

12:32

there any reason that that you wanted her

12:35

gone or same reason you won a

12:37

killer or anything like that?

12:39

Definitely not. Okay.

12:42

But

12:42

just a rocky relationship over the kids and

12:44

stuff like that.

12:44

Yeah. We've always kinda had a, you know, like, back and

12:47

forth world that, like, you know, in a lot of ways, but she

12:49

just she didn't really know what

12:51

consequences were. She just didn't want her to say

12:52

make the same mistakes I have made me phone. So

12:54

Okay. And she was

12:55

going down the road, and then it was getting worse.

12:57

So and with it, are you

12:59

-- Most times -- you know,

13:01

we our views are bad,

13:02

and and then we We

13:05

just find out the words. You don't want it to just take a

13:07

little bit.

13:08

Okay. She apologized. I apologize.

13:10

You don't want everything to be

13:11

fine. do you have a boyfriend now that you were looking

13:13

or when you were looking with the time?

13:15

I I was I was staying with him with the time. Yes.

13:18

Who was

13:18

you who were you staying with? I'm fine.

13:21

How did you get along with He's he

13:24

never he never had my birth. So

13:26

I would love to kindly talk to

13:28

her face to face. It'd been

13:30

a while, a long while. Oh, I seen it. I know

13:32

I seen her at the casino. She

13:35

was there with her ex husband. And well, her

13:37

husband, Eric, and some other guy didn't

13:39

know And that was probably

13:41

-- Okay. -- April

13:44

March or April. Mhmm. I've mentioned

13:46

there's around the timeshare taxes back and

13:48

stuff. So your guess in probably a

13:50

year that you were face to

13:52

face before she disappeared? Not quite a

13:54

year. Probably yesterday. Probably six months.

13:56

six months ago. Yeah. Yeah. How was that

13:58

conversation when you were face to face?

14:00

She

14:00

tried to avoid me at first,

14:03

and I was just leaving the casino and she was

14:05

coming. So we kinda and we were there there by the

14:07

elevator. And I turned right back around. I

14:09

got mad, went back in this because, you know,

14:11

And finally, I talked to her.

14:13

See, when she when she asked the kids, I I was

14:15

under the impression that she was still seeing the kids and

14:17

and doing what she's supposed to be doing. I don't know I don't

14:19

really know how they why

14:21

they took the kids because that wasn't her fault. You

14:23

know what I'm saying? Yeah. And and stability

14:26

for her living situation. She was

14:28

staying with a guy that guy And I

14:30

think maybe they just thought it was an

14:31

inappropriate place for the kids. So

14:35

that's and then she they told her that she

14:37

didn't give up the kids and they

14:38

were gonna she was gonna get trouble for,

14:40

like,

14:40

neglect neglect. So she was a

14:43

first person to get trouble, and she thought the best thing for

14:45

the kids would be to give them up and give them a

14:47

better home. And they do have a great home

14:49

now, all four of them. They do.

14:51

But at the

14:52

time, I didn't feel that that was the best

14:54

place for them. So, I mean, any

14:57

anytime you talk to her before she just

14:59

prepared, you just pick a threat to her. I'm

15:01

gonna kick your ass. I'm like,

15:03

yeah. No. No. No. Tell me what

15:05

that's what I'm asking. What's the worst that got between you

15:07

and her and any fire in

15:09

any argument? Did I get physical?

15:11

was it just worse? Yeah. But she would usually hit

15:13

me. Okay. So that that was not I've

15:15

never I never, like, went after her.

15:17

Okay.

15:18

So she would hit you for what

15:20

reason?

15:21

Britney had a temper on her. My

15:25

kids couldn't even vouch for that. She mother

15:27

too, she several times, you know, from

15:29

back to the car, you know, she's gonna hold my hair or

15:31

something and -- Okay. -- flash out.

15:33

She didn't have anything to do with her disappearance?

15:35

Nothing. No. Nothing. I don't know where she's at.

15:37

I haven't heard from her unless we got nothing.

15:40

Okay. Did

15:42

did Ashley or any any her

15:44

husband tell you anything pertinent

15:47

that man? No.

15:49

No?

15:51

So why is Ashley trying to blame this on

15:54

you? Well, the only

15:56

reasoning for that could be that maybe possibly Ashley has

15:58

involved herself. Okay. But

15:59

why you?

16:01

I

16:02

mean, it doesn't sound like you guys were back

16:04

close anyway, and then you lived an hour and

16:06

a part. We were at one time. that

16:08

night. But I wasn't right. But yeah.

16:12

the I

16:14

think I've probably been the loudest of our

16:16

or missing.

16:18

Okay.

16:18

How'd you get along with your daughter's husband?

16:20

You

16:21

know, it was really

16:23

funny because up until that point, I

16:25

got along with my daughter's husband and his

16:27

wife, just fine. As a matter of fact, when we'd

16:29

have problems with Britney,

16:30

which we have had several problems with Oh, so

16:32

Britney and her but

16:33

how long have they been forced?

16:36

who oh, her husband. They're still

16:38

technically legally married. Oh, that's what I thought. I

16:40

said I said I said, but yeah. They're let But

16:42

she's she's live with another.

16:45

Yes. He's living with another

16:47

woman. Right. But he's been with athlete. I

16:49

thought He was actually at that one at that

16:51

time. Okay. When she went missing too. So

16:53

he would at that time, he would've actually been

16:55

out. He's with a different law firm.

16:57

Okay. I got along with him

16:59

fine. No problems there. Eric. Now

17:01

Eric and I don't didn't mostly eye to eye.

17:03

He just put things on my daughter when she was pregnant,

17:06

and he just had a thumb on her all the

17:08

time. And Yeah. Basically, he put in

17:10

his his hands down. had a drug problem,

17:12

meth? Yes. What about her husband?

17:14

Yes. And heroin. So

17:16

this guy this guy that Britney

17:18

was with that night, do you know who it was at

17:21

all? I mainly I clue. Any

17:23

indication of any thoughts? have

17:25

some thoughts. Like, what's your thoughts? Maybe

17:27

I think that maybe from the descriptions.

17:30

In the beginning, it sounded like it was Sheldon,

17:32

the boyfriend. because he does put the description.

17:34

Okay. I just don't see that. I've known that kids since

17:36

because we're like eleven years old. I don't

17:39

see I don't see him doing anything like

17:41

that. I really don't hey, people

17:44

snap, I guess. I I don't know, but I just don't

17:46

see it. And

17:49

my other

17:49

my other suspicion

17:51

is Chuck Ellen. He fits the description.

17:53

He's in his Chuck Ellen.

17:55

Good friend of hers.

17:56

I don't know how that she

17:58

knows him, but

17:59

I I do know that

18:02

she had made some contact with him at some

18:04

point within this you know, within that

18:06

year before she was missing?

18:07

Ever wished anybody dead. Other words, did

18:09

you ever get so mad at your mom that you

18:11

wish you was dead? Yeah. Or did you

18:13

get mad at your father and wish you dead

18:16

as as some little kids do or

18:18

not about killing anybody. No.

18:19

No. No. No. I had a bad relationship

18:21

with my dad in a few people. I

18:24

I was in a foster home at thirteen and

18:27

then sixteen. Right before I turned

18:29

seventeen, I got myself emancipated. Okay.

18:31

So any sexual contact with

18:33

family members? Your

18:34

brothers, dad, nothing,

18:36

but never thought

18:36

about having consensual sex with any of your

18:39

family members or brothers. touchy

18:41

Philly stuff. Nothing like that. Nothing happened.

18:43

No. The the first eighteen years of your life

18:45

would shop with stores a lot or Oh,

18:47

well, have you ever tried a problem then or no? No.

18:49

I was really good kid. I was, like,

18:51

straight a, be certain. How did you rate

18:53

your daughter, Britney, until she was eighteen? I'm

18:55

a Greg and I both hurt dad, and I both she

18:57

was back and forth between us both pretty equally.

18:59

She graduated high school, though? She did.

19:02

She did. She did. Did

19:03

you ever purposely her to

19:05

harm her? No. I'm in the past. No.

19:08

No. Do you have any other choice? I do.

19:10

I have two more more

19:12

ages. She's twenty eight and

19:14

twenty two. Any problems with them

19:16

about this? I also felt that

19:18

she when she was younger just

19:20

about the teenage years, you know, started to let,

19:22

you know, being teenager, but other than

19:24

that, no. Nothing like that?

19:26

No. Ever purposely hurt or harmed

19:28

either one of them. Nothing along

19:30

those lines. So as far as your daughter's case,

19:32

you haven't lied any of the best of getting involved

19:34

in this did the police contact

19:37

you? I contacted

19:39

the police first. Yeah. But I mean, that big

19:40

contacted your son. So I mean, they're on the

19:43

interviews. Were they trying to figure anything out? Or No.

19:45

Not really. mean, I always contact them. They're not

19:47

they don't contact me first. Okay. Definitely. They just got,

19:49

like, a open case, but a missing person

19:51

in case, that kind of thing.

19:53

In the beginning,

19:54

I did a lot of searches for her, and

19:55

they were mad. They're mad as hell.

19:58

They're nine,

19:58

but I they said that

20:01

they were, like, well,

20:01

your your messed up police

20:04

stepping on

20:05

their toes basically and messed up search

20:06

as you know. have that

20:08

bunch of people together and and put

20:10

it online, and I made her a page and all, like,

20:12

oh, okay. We went searching for. So

20:14

just looking to see anybody seen anybody

20:17

contact her. Yeah. And

20:17

it's an all country, you know, area. So

20:19

it was just where the car went off the

20:21

road, we searched there, then I started getting some leads

20:24

from people, you know, people always ever ever has

20:26

got something day. So what do you

20:26

think happened to her? There's a

20:29

couple of different stories. I don't know, but I

20:31

really feel like

20:33

I feel

20:35

like

20:35

she I don't really know what

20:38

happened

20:38

out there. I don't know how she got from out there.

20:40

I don't know who got her for sure, but

20:42

I have my suspicion that probably Chuck Ellen

20:44

is involved with this.

20:45

Chuck Allen, who's that? I don't just

20:47

a guy that's in that video that I

20:50

guess that video. Ashley's dating him

20:53

now. Okay. Ashley, my daughter's supposed to be

20:55

friends. I don't think my daughter my daughter didn't

20:57

trust women too, but she just

20:58

What about your daughter's husband?

21:00

definitely think he might have something to do with it

21:03

too. Okay. So,

21:05

actually, that's around with She

21:07

was with Eric. at the time, and my daughter

21:09

went missing. At the time, went missing. Now she's

21:11

messing with Chuck Allen -- Yes.

21:14

-- which was the next boyfriend in the No.

21:16

An ex boyfriend. Just the guy in the video.

21:18

and that car video was just screaming in the

21:20

car. You know, I'm talking about that video. He's

21:22

the one that's walking to the car. He's the

21:24

one who's like, hey. Hey. What's you know? But

21:26

you haven't anybody about this case? You haven't falsified any

21:29

information to law enforcement to these

21:31

investigators? No. purposely

21:32

falsified anything on face book or

21:35

whatever you meant so many people. need

21:37

farthest from that because it's been because

21:39

of all the stories. Okay. I hate it.

21:41

I hate it so much. my head's never not it's never

21:43

any nightmare. So it's fair

21:45

to say you've never told a serious lie

21:47

to keep yourself out of trouble or someone

21:49

else friends or anything like that.

21:52

I thought I can think of that, man, though.

21:54

Here's what I need to

21:55

do. I need to pick a color. Any color tell me

21:57

what it is. Y blue

21:59

favorite? Yeah. Here's all the

22:01

pull on your body. And these pneumographs.

22:04

One's your upper chest, one's your lower chest is gonna

22:06

major breathing, inhalation, exhalation chest

22:08

cavity. Okay? These leads here along with this

22:10

gel, good on a skin response, pulling finger

22:12

tips to your right hand, and it really makes it more like to

22:14

be your skin. Cardial

22:16

muscular upper left arm, it's gonna major mean

22:18

blood pressure. It's a little bit different than your blood

22:20

pressure taken to the hospital. You know, they pump

22:22

it up slowly, light down. This stays in play a

22:24

entire time in the test. So when we're talking a minute

22:26

or so,

22:26

Okay. Couple of minutes when we did this

22:28

exam, it's gonna stay inflated. You fill the

22:31

tingling. You may see some discoloration in

22:33

your hand, but have it If you feel like if you

22:35

feel like you're gonna pass out, let me know what

22:37

I'm saying. No. That's you're gonna

22:39

need to sit completely still and just look straight ahead.

22:41

because I might have you way the chair's position

22:43

on my return facing that way. Okay.

22:45

Once I get this on you.

22:47

Brad referenced is a personal story here

22:49

that Jessica shared with him.

22:50

He does this to assist her in

22:53

understanding how she may feel in this moment

22:55

during the examination. When you like doing

22:57

face to face, but I'm Yeah.

22:59

Couple of times. It felt like your heart was gonna pop out

23:01

of your chest when you were. Yeah. Same

23:03

principle here. I'm a I'm a I'm a major

23:05

same physiological responses on you.

23:07

as far as what what you had felt when you were

23:10

talking to. Okay. If you were

23:11

lying about any of those questions I went through, you're

23:14

gonna fail this test as simple as So

23:16

is there anything we need to get on the table

23:18

before we get started?

23:19

No. I

23:21

don't think

23:23

so. What's happening,

23:28

Bill? It's a movement pad.

23:30

Well, like, if you try to move

23:33

right on the side, you know, but listen up. Yeah. You're

23:35

gonna have to do a bad thing. That's it

23:37

completely still when I take the test starts to

23:39

test ends back. Now

23:41

the first thing

23:42

we're gonna do is I'm gonna run stem test

23:44

on your first. Okay? It's gonna lock in your joint

23:46

nurse building

23:47

settings. pick the

23:49

color blue. I'm gonna

23:50

ask you if you pick the color red, you're gonna say no,

23:52

green, no. Pink, no, black,

23:54

no, blue, you're gonna lie to me.

23:57

Okay. Yeah. So as I get that

23:59

locked in and we

23:59

put the questions together as far as what's about your

24:02

daughter and we'll let someone test on

24:04

that. Okay? Any questions?

24:07

Does it, like,

24:09

because of my because of the anxiety is

24:11

part of me, like, me and

24:14

That's what we're doing. That's what

24:16

we're doing the first time. Right. And so that's gonna lock

24:18

your joners bell settings. Alright. So once we

24:21

get that done, Then we'll

24:22

do the

24:24

questions. Listen. If you

24:26

did anything to your daughter, you

24:28

have any knowledge what happened to your

24:31

daughter, you're going to fail this test.

24:33

Right? Okay. That's the bomb line.

24:35

It'll take care of itself.

24:39

What you don't want to do is

24:41

overthink this. If

24:44

you didn't do anything

24:46

to your daughter, you have no knowledge.

24:48

then it should be no different than me asking if you

24:51

wanna drink your Dr Pepper knife when you

24:53

get to those questions just for

24:55

now. I said more of

24:57

a regret of my past and I I tried

24:59

to hide it, you know. So Don't worry about that. We're

25:01

talking about your daughter. If you haven't done anything to

25:03

your daughter, you should be fine. Okay?

25:06

Alright. So that's

25:10

great for me. All you need to do is bring your

25:12

arms up over your head.

25:14

Okay. So completely

25:17

slow.

25:18

It fills

25:20

pressure in your Just

25:23

looks straight

25:25

out.

25:34

Let's speak a minute.

25:35

Is the color

25:38

you picked red? No.

25:41

Is the color

25:43

you picked

25:45

pink?

25:47

No.

25:50

Has

25:50

the color you picked blue?

25:53

no No. Is the

25:55

color you picked green?

25:58

No. Is the

25:59

color you picked

26:02

black? No.

26:05

Is

26:05

the color you picked orange?

26:07

No.

26:09

So snow in

26:12

the desert. Alright? I started

26:14

building with rain. Okay. You can move around

26:16

a little bit. One look at this.

26:17

Just look

26:21

straight at.

26:26

That's the beginning. Is

26:30

it

26:30

color you picked red?

26:33

No.

26:35

Has the color

26:35

you picked

26:37

pink? No. Has

26:39

the color you

26:41

picked blue? No.

26:44

Is

26:44

the color green? No. Is

26:47

the color you

26:48

picked black? No.

26:53

Is

26:53

the color you picked orange? No.

26:56

How long have you been

26:58

doing this? Twenty

27:00

years privately.

27:02

Nice. Oh, she could

27:05

carry one

27:05

of these long, but, you know, with you everywhere

27:08

you went. serious.

27:17

Brad

27:24

begins asking Jessica the questions I provided

27:27

to him. You may notice

27:29

Brad asked Jessica a series of the same

27:31

questions multiple times. He

27:33

does this so he can be

27:35

sure he's getting an accurate

27:37

reading. Okay. Let's

27:40

go through these questions. Okay. I understand

27:42

it's supposed to go along. We're just

27:44

reviewing. Do you

27:46

know the identity of the male

27:48

with Britney the night she disappeared?

27:50

Do

27:51

you know who's

27:53

responsible? for Brittany's disappearance.

27:56

Do you

27:58

know where Brittany is?

28:02

Are

28:02

you responsible for your daughter's disappearance?

28:06

During

28:06

your lifetime? did

28:09

you ever hurt or anyone in clean your children? And

28:12

when you said that's me, I don't know. I

28:14

always wanna say, like, emotionally, maybe yes and

28:16

physically not less than it was done. physically

28:18

being hell no. Since

28:21

being twenty one years of age, an

28:23

owner did you commit any crimes the police have not cut you

28:26

for? Before two

28:28

thousand twenty one, did you ever purposely

28:30

hurt or harmed anyone or wish someone

28:33

was dead? You know, in that first question

28:35

too, when you asked me about her, about who the

28:37

guy is, you know, I have my suspicions in the

28:39

back, but I'm, like, have, like, I'm

28:41

I'm having Like, when you asked that, I've done all

28:43

you know, I've done I've been out there. You know what?

28:45

I've been looking myself and I have, you know, and my suspicions.

28:47

Does that change my does that matter?

28:49

for a fact. That's my mask.

28:52

Okay. So yeah.

28:54

I think questions. Yeah.

28:58

Okay.

29:03

Ready? It's just gonna look straight

29:05

ahead. Alright.

29:07

Here we go.

29:09

What

29:10

dose pressure here? Let's

29:18

begin with.

29:22

Is your name Jessica

29:22

Roth? Yes. Do

29:28

you intend to answer the questions on your

29:30

game truthfully? Yes. Are

29:32

you in the state

29:35

of Indiana? Yes.

29:43

During the first eighteen years of your life even one time, do you ever

29:45

think having any type of sexual contact with anything I

29:47

remember? No.

29:50

Do

29:51

you know the identity of the

29:54

male with brought me the night she disappeared. No.

30:00

It's rocks. Do

30:02

you live

30:03

in Sturgess?

30:05

Yes. Since

30:06

being eighteen, did you ever wish that someone would die

30:09

or thought about killings anymore? Do

30:12

you know who's responsible for Britney's

30:14

disappearance? Do

30:16

you live in Michigan?

30:19

Yes. To stop

30:22

for

30:22

I'm sorry. Nothing's gonna leave a little

30:24

bit. Since

30:27

being

30:27

twenty one years of age, you any

30:29

crimes the police has not cut you for? No.

30:31

Do you

30:33

know where

30:35

Britney is? No.

30:38

Are you sitting

30:41

down? Yes.

30:43

During your lifetime,

30:45

did you ever hurt or harm anyone

30:47

including your own children? Are

30:49

you

30:50

responsible for a daughter's disappearance?

30:57

That's not the the

30:58

killing your arm? Yeah. I thought I

30:59

could think of how it was, like, what? Yeah. Like,

31:02

what? Yeah. It was telling me that's how it

31:04

was. You said a little bit louder his, but

31:05

Yeah. in between the questions. So I was

31:08

like,

31:09

oh, fuck it.

31:11

Can I add

31:13

a can I add a question in It's

31:15

like one

31:17

baby's.

31:18

Because the

31:19

river was it.

31:22

spent a rumor that I stood

31:23

there, like, we had a fundraiser for

31:26

Britney and well,

31:28

somebody off YouTube too had put

31:30

up a I like that. He's a he's a he does like a true

31:32

crime and gossip, you know,

31:35

podcast on YouTube. Anyway, they

31:38

put up

31:39

a fake gold fund the account,

31:41

installed, you know, it took they took all the money

31:43

for it. Well, I'm being used of

31:45

taking money from you know, like, be having

31:47

funds into Eric, to having fundraisers in

31:50

such a taking taking the funds for

31:52

my own benefit? I can.

31:54

At this point in the room,

31:56

unfortunately.

31:57

Alright. Should've

31:59

run a little bit

31:59

one

32:00

with the basement.

32:03

Alright. So another one to

32:05

ring. What's that? We're gonna

32:07

run another one. Just to still look straight ahead.

32:09

a little feet long room. Oh, you can barely just fix

32:12

that right there too. There we go.

32:14

Yeah. Are you

32:15

in the

32:16

state of Indiana? Yes.

32:18

During the

32:20

first eighteen years of your life even one time,

32:22

did you ever think about having any type of sexual

32:25

contact with any family member? No.

32:27

Are you responsible

32:29

for your daughter's disappearance? No.

32:31

Do you live in

32:32

Michigan? Yes. Since

32:36

being eighteen years of age, did you ever wish

32:38

someone dead or thought about killing anyone?

32:40

No. Do

32:42

you know where Britney is?

32:45

No.

32:46

Are you

32:47

sitting down? Awesome. Are you

32:49

sitting down? No. Yes.

32:50

Since being

32:53

twenty one years of age, did you ever commit

32:55

any crimes to police have not cut you for me

32:57

now? Do you

32:59

know who's

32:59

responsible for Brittany's disappearance? No.

33:07

I don't know

33:10

if that one's

33:13

worse. It's okay. It's okay. Alright.

33:15

Thank you. The first Yeah.

33:17

The first the one you did was pretty bad. But that one

33:19

was after that, that's just annoying.

33:26

How do

33:28

you

33:28

think you did? I

33:31

think I did

33:33

fine. I've have don't know

33:36

why. You know, anyway, you're you said they're sneaking in

33:38

and you're like, I mean, I know that right

33:40

people would guess something like that, but but then again,

33:42

you go, you start questioning yourself, you

33:44

know?

33:46

No.

33:48

You did fine. things.

33:51

I know I didn't. There's

33:54

no problem with. definitely

33:59

feeling it

33:59

apart today. I'm a little bit bad. I'd

34:02

sleep very well tonight. You only have a I don't

34:04

sleep very well tonight. Anyways, or

34:06

dream of this dream by all this?

34:08

Yes. Okay. Let

34:10

me get that off of you.

34:13

text them in her first

34:16

time. because I was

34:18

so curious what they

34:21

find other day. It's

34:25

really bizarre. Every place that they

34:27

said that she might be on your They

34:29

like bulldozed it out or gone by or

34:32

oh,

34:32

yeah. Creek up.

34:35

little bit of water. Hi.

34:38

These arms up for me.

34:40

Ethan and I have

34:42

just entered through

34:44

the front

34:46

door. Come here. There you

34:48

go. There you go. I'll make one. Sorry.

34:51

There you go. Okay.

34:55

No problems

34:58

at all.

35:00

Any one other? Yeah. We

35:03

No problems at

35:06

all. Nope. She's rolled

35:08

in. I'll agree ninety here.

35:11

Jessica's attention is immediately

35:14

focused on whether Ethan and I have had any

35:16

luck with

35:18

the GPR. but

35:18

I think this moment deserves

35:20

some acknowledgement. She passed to

35:23

give Jessica a hug. The

35:25

tension in her is all but

35:27

spilled out. If

35:30

you tell the truth,

35:32

It becomes part of your past. If you tell a

35:34

lie, it becomes part of your future.

35:37

It's vindication for

35:40

Jessica. It's good to see we can put this

35:41

part of Britney's case in the

35:44

past. I

35:46

ever like a plus

35:47

three and question one,

35:50

plus three on question two. Plus

35:52

three on but I was supposed to be on question

35:55

three. Plus

36:00

six. And I'll say

36:02

it's enough. She's

36:05

way move on.

36:08

Way ahead

36:10

of passing. No problems with the line codes.

36:12

Line coverage. Okay. Ashley on

36:14

the phone. She says she wants to

36:18

do it. I need to know what your schedule looks like though.

36:20

I know what you're I know.

36:22

Yeah. I mean, it's almost

36:24

too. Yeah. I mean,

36:26

is she coming down? We have to get

36:28

her burger back. She's in front of

36:30

me. How long is that gonna take? She

36:32

said it's about

36:34

half our Yeah. I can just go up. Uh-huh. Why don't you take care

36:36

of me out of here?

36:38

Okay. Fine. Okay. Okay.

36:40

Thank you.

36:42

Good. So forty five minutes

36:44

total? Probably. Yeah. Probably

36:46

get her now, Lynn. Would

36:48

you prefer that if you want

36:50

me to go over, I can I sincerely can go up

36:52

and you prefer that I I don't I don't care

36:54

either way. Okay. because I'd like to interview just

36:56

real quick. Yeah. And you just sit here now

36:58

and the camera is rolling.

37:00

Okay. Ethan is willing to

37:01

pick up Ashley. This allows me

37:03

the opportunity to sit down and talk with Jessica.

37:05

Now that she's been able to take

37:07

the polygraph examination, and get

37:09

the results. I'm eager to hear what

37:12

she has to say now that we've come

37:14

this

37:16

far. Results

37:16

are

37:17

in.

37:21

Finally, Got

37:23

it done. He kinda scared

37:25

me this morning.

37:29

said

37:31

to find colors, tolling telling the truth, how does it feel

37:33

to finally have to pull

37:34

off your shoulders?

37:37

I mean, it's it's good as all

37:39

the

37:40

way. Now we

37:42

know our

37:43

ashes come in. I'll

37:45

ask

37:45

you the same question. I asked her.

37:47

If she passes, does

37:50

this do anything for you as far as you're

37:52

moving off you're a list of

37:54

persons of interest or suspects?

37:55

Or I have an issue

37:58

with Ashley more

38:00

so, you know yeah. I

38:01

mean, if she I I'm not gonna sit here and

38:03

say,

38:03

and and I'm not I'm not gonna accuse and, you know,

38:05

someone of having something to do

38:07

with my daughter. my my

38:09

daughter's disappearance because I don't know for a

38:12

fact. If the test

38:13

come back that she did or

38:15

didn't or I was saying that she didn't by other than she

38:17

was hurt and the fact that slandered

38:20

me and made this whole town

38:22

against me, and she hindered my daughter's

38:23

investigation.

38:25

Yes. Bad.

38:29

So I think

38:32

that

38:32

part is is

38:35

a hundred percent. Like, right, you

38:37

you interfered in a way that

38:39

muddied this investigation and made it difficult for

38:41

the detectives. And I think, in

38:43

my opinion,

38:44

kinda, when

38:46

they're dealing with individuals who are coming forward like this and then they're providing

38:48

all this information, like, it just makes it more

38:50

difficult. They started, you know, like,

38:53

they started being they were

38:55

never really cooperative, but they and and but

38:58

they they made it worse, you

38:59

know, for our relationship and

39:02

at all, you know, have any kind

39:04

of good crowds to go go on the list

39:06

because of all these all these people

39:08

talking and saving stuff that's not true. And

39:10

If she passes, Are

39:12

you willing to say, maybe she hasn't she

39:14

hasn't anything to do with it, but I'm

39:17

still live I'm so upset and

39:19

I have my feelings towards

39:21

her because of, like you said,

39:23

she's I entered

39:25

this this investigation.

39:28

I've came

39:28

into this as I never had any dog

39:31

in front. I I told her, Jessica didn't

39:33

pick me. You didn't pick me. Greg didn't

39:35

pick me. I picked Brit, and

39:37

I'm here for brick.

39:40

Let's say, it comes

39:41

back that she's showing signs

39:43

of deception. This is confirmation to you

39:45

that she's

39:46

to you that she's involved

39:48

involved. I I hope so

39:50

she doesn't. Honestly, I hope that

39:51

I hope that she has telling truth. I hope that she

39:53

was my daughter's friend, and I

39:55

hope that she That's

39:58

the only thing that could

39:59

be logical is that

40:02

she was that close to my that she felt

40:03

bad strongly. You have a friendship with my daughter that

40:05

she is at that that's why she's

40:07

doing this, all this.

40:10

Other than that,

40:11

I don't see any reason for her to do it and

40:13

be be doing what she's doing. she's

40:16

done. She's not her daughter. She's not

40:18

her sister.

40:20

I

40:20

mean, now it's your moment to kinda

40:22

say or address anything if you choose to.

40:24

to the people who have accused you of something

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that we've now got you showing flying

40:29

colors again. You just have to show any

40:31

signs of deception or lying

40:34

about questions that we've asked you? What would what would be message

40:38

though?

40:42

I've always said myself, you

40:43

know, once this

40:44

came out and then with them

40:47

out, that I'm so

40:50

sleepy.

40:51

An entire town,

40:52

an entire county has just

40:54

hindered my daughter's, you know,

40:56

investigation. That to me is

40:59

unforgivable Soon as I

41:02

find

41:02

my daughter, so out of your head.

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Alright.

41:08

Okay. Anything

41:10

else?

41:10

they the us

41:16

Next time, on

41:19

hide

41:21

next and

41:23

seek.

41:41

smooth

41:41

this year. How's

41:44

it

41:44

going?

41:48

Come

41:48

on. So Okay.

41:50

Is that supposed to break?

41:53

No. I'm

41:55

not sure Let

41:58

me

41:59

ask you,

42:02

how do

42:03

you think you did?

42:07

Honestly, I'm not

42:09

really sure because some of

42:11

the questions. You

42:13

know, I

42:15

think I might. but I don't

42:17

know for sure.

42:31

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