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Sweet dreams, amazing.

1:51

Twenty four hundred states Brady Gillum went

1:53

to Sturgis tonight to speak with the missing

1:55

woman's mother

1:56

about what may have happened to her

1:58

daughter.

1:59

I can tell you what

2:02

she most likely is. I

2:05

hadn't seen anybody that I felt comfortable saying

2:07

anything to until

2:09

today. The stories

2:11

they tell are pretty they're pretty

2:13

freaking gruesome. I

2:16

kept all the

2:17

text messages, Facebook messages, since

2:19

the messages between me and Britney, I have

2:21

all of them. I

2:22

have everything. I

2:26

told myself to all the motherfuckers,

2:28

and I was gonna have my people fucking

2:30

take care of them, I'll

2:33

just savor these damn out of nowhere just to

2:35

see what somebody says. There's this

2:37

little tunnel in the road here and be hard the

2:39

heights don't believe that because eventually

2:41

everything comes up. To

2:44

me, some things I don't believe anything happened

2:46

to where I think this is love.

2:50

This is Hytenc season

2:52

three. I'm your host,

2:54

James Baysinger.

3:09

Hey, guys. In

3:11

last week's episode, you heard the aftermath

3:14

of Ash's polygraph, and

3:16

you

3:16

listen to the condensed version of our forty

3:18

five minute car ride back to Chuck's.

3:21

He also heard Eric s caught up

3:23

in his feelings of being big mad when

3:25

he called me and told me to fuck off.

3:29

We listened while Chris tried to make sense

3:31

of a missing post she thought she saw on Britney's

3:33

most recent Facebook.

3:34

The post, she

3:36

says, was made by Britney

3:39

and was about her mother dating her ex boyfriend

3:41

cage. After

3:43

further discussion, we determined that

3:45

Chris wasn't sure what Facebook profile

3:48

of Britney's she saw this post

3:50

on, and she wasn't sure who deleted it.

3:53

if it was actually deleted.

3:58

Ethan and I head off to the airport

3:59

the next day. I have a lot of

4:02

my mind. and there's so much sarah and I have

4:04

to go over. The

4:06

plane ride home gave me a lot of time to think.

4:09

We've come a long way. but there's more to

4:11

be done. Thinking

4:13

about the work Sarah and I have ahead of us

4:15

is a bit daunting.

4:18

The GPR is something that we both think

4:20

is really important, but the logistics

4:22

of it are complicated.

4:24

I'm back in Washington,

4:27

and we waste no time. We'll

4:29

hit the ground running. Sarah and I take

4:31

a look at our suspect board and add

4:33

details from my trip. there's

4:35

a lot to add. But for now,

4:38

we have other points to wrap up. Sarah

4:41

has been working on the GPR details while I

4:43

was traveling.

4:44

Our biggest adversary right now is the

4:46

weather. If there's too

4:48

much snow, they can't proceed. If

4:51

it's too cold, raining, or

4:54

if the snow has melted causing standing water,

4:56

they can't complete the job.

5:00

Coming in a strong second in the adversary category

5:02

is time. We

5:05

have a matter of six weeks to get it fully completed.

5:07

The property owners have been

5:10

extremely cooperative. but

5:12

soon. The land

5:14

will need to be prepared for crops.

5:17

If we can't get

5:19

this completed by the time crop planting comes,

5:22

won't be able to complete this until the fall

5:24

when the crops were all done for the year.

5:27

It would be detrimental to the progress we're

5:29

making if we have to shelf the GPR

5:31

for next fall. Sarah

5:34

and I get in touch with Mike and Sean and make

5:36

arrangements for them to get back out to the

5:38

property as soon as they can. to complete

5:40

the GPR. Mike

5:42

and Sean told us previously that they have experienced

5:44

work in this sort of situation. They

5:47

understand the urgency and appreciate our

5:49

position in that we're working against the clock,

5:52

but need to be effective.

5:54

We

5:54

feel lucky, and I'm grateful to

5:56

have them join our mission to bring Britney home.

5:59

From the moment

6:01

Sarah contacted them, They have been

6:03

remarkably easy to work with, cooperative,

6:06

and knowledgeable. Their

6:08

expertise has been invaluable to

6:11

us.

6:13

Sara will explain a little more about the GPR

6:15

before we jump into it.

6:18

Ground penetrating radar is a

6:20

a geophysical survey method

6:22

that uses pulses of electromagnetic

6:25

radiation to image

6:27

the subsurface It

6:30

provides a non intrusive and non

6:32

destructive method of surveying

6:34

the subsurface. GPR

6:37

is now a wide accepted tool

6:39

that's used to identify a variety

6:41

of underground features like utility

6:44

lines, pipes, large boulders,

6:46

changes in the soil layers that could affect

6:48

construction or even

6:50

something as simple as locating the depth of

6:52

groundwater to develop wells for

6:54

drinking. Most

6:58

GPR equipment looks

7:00

kind of like a lawn mower, and

7:02

it's rolled slowly across

7:04

the predetermined survey area

7:06

in a grid pattern. The

7:09

base of the unit sends electromagnetic

7:12

pulse into the ground. And

7:14

the echoes that bounce back are

7:16

recorded with special software.

7:19

This software translates these

7:21

echoes into images of

7:22

the anomalies that were found in the

7:25

subsurface.

7:26

Law enforcement has used this method

7:28

to successfully locate forensic

7:30

evidence and countless clandestine

7:33

graves.

7:35

In a circumstance where the goal is

7:37

to find human remains,

7:40

once anomalies are located, the

7:42

next step might be digging

7:44

or extracting soil samples

7:46

from the area where the anomaly was identified.

7:51

If the anomaly is located under concrete,

7:54

the next step would likely be breaking

7:56

through the concrete to access the anomaly

7:58

in the sub surface.

8:00

This is typically done under the

8:02

supervision of a forensic archaeologist

8:05

and law enforcement. In

8:07

situations where there is no barrier,

8:10

like concrete. A prong

8:12

is used to extract a soil

8:14

sample from the subsurface where the anomaly

8:16

was detected. The

8:18

soil sample can then be presented

8:20

to cadaver dogs to

8:21

determine if there's the presence of

8:23

gases that are characteristic

8:25

of human decomposition. If

8:28

they there is, and the dogs

8:31

alert positively, then

8:33

a more invasive method

8:35

like digging. would be the

8:37

next appropriate step.

8:42

A few weeks later, we have managed to come

8:44

up with a date to get Mike and Sean back to the

8:46

property. The night

8:48

before the GPR continues, Sarah and

8:51

I are anxious. I

8:53

can't sleep. I lay in bed wondering

8:55

if we're going to be able to pull this off.

8:59

Will the weather hold out? That's

9:01

the question. I

9:03

checked the weather app again. It's

9:05

cold and baroque. It's

9:08

overcast. And it looks like there

9:10

may be rain later in the day.

9:13

By sending them out there, we run the risk

9:15

that they may not be able to complete things

9:17

because of weather or maybe

9:19

even standing water on the property from

9:21

snow melt earlier in the week. We're

9:24

really pushing the deadline too. We're

9:27

right at the end of our timeline in the urgency

9:29

to get this done. is

9:31

screaming at my face every day. The

9:34

next morning, I'm awake early, and see

9:36

a message and missed call from Sarah.

9:40

hi Alright.

9:41

i'm Sarah

9:44

Joe has an update

9:47

on the GPR.

9:53

Paula? Hey. Alright.

9:56

Alright. You

9:57

gotta update

9:59

on

9:59

the GPR guide?

10:02

Yeah.

10:02

yeah

10:04

They did

10:08

it today. They did as much as they could

10:10

today.

10:13

he

10:13

would

10:15

like

10:15

to go back

10:16

and finish the

10:19

rest. but

10:22

that's up to us if we want him

10:24

to do that. Okay.

10:27

So So

10:30

there

10:30

are three potential targets.

10:34

Two of those aggregates are outside

10:37

the basement. The

10:40

two that are outside the basement

10:42

are both suspicious. because

10:46

they're very deep. It's

10:48

not

10:49

typically what you

10:51

would see Doug

10:54

for, like, that area.

10:57

They're eight to ten feet deep. Does

11:00

he give us viso. Yep.

11:03

He is he is going to he

11:06

wanted to give me the preliminary findings as

11:08

soon as they were finished, but

11:09

he is going to upload a file to

11:12

me -- Mhmm. -- that

11:14

has visuals. He

11:16

said, the visual might

11:18

not mean a lot to us

11:20

because They're just getting out

11:22

when they're not yet.

11:25

it's not like it's going to show

11:27

that there's a bot. It's like it's it's more of a

11:29

bot based for for him to say that's that's

11:31

that's not. That's odd. So

11:33

for us, I mean, they're

11:36

just anomalies. You

11:38

know, to to untrained eyes,

11:41

they're just going to appear to be

11:43

anomalies. Okay. But for

11:45

somebody who is experienced,

11:48

he's he's said that they are

11:50

suspicious. Could they be an out

11:52

house having been dug or

11:54

something, you know, a septic. He said

11:56

sure. But the depth

11:58

is suspicious

11:59

to him. So those are

12:02

the two that are outside the basement.

12:04

They did scan the shed and the

12:06

old barn, and there was nothing but metal

12:08

debris.

12:12

So there is

12:14

a third attack

12:16

of target inside the

12:18

basement.

12:21

And the

12:22

target inside the basement

12:25

is suspicious because

12:28

it was

12:29

excavated deeper than the

12:30

original basement was dug. So it's

12:33

something buried in the basement and

12:35

there is something inside the

12:37

anomaly. Oh, sure.

12:39

Yeah. He

12:41

was able to identify

12:44

where the old foundation of the

12:46

basement was, the

12:48

rock area, you know, all of that.

12:52

But Does he does he see where

12:54

they buried it? Like, all of the He said

12:56

there was a lot of debris, like,

12:58

on on a surface. Not a

13:00

surface level, but composer

13:02

to the surface. Right. There was a lot

13:04

of debris. Like, I assume that's the stuff

13:06

that they Yeah. I

13:07

just wanna make sure that they're they're not picking

13:09

up on any thing that they buried in -- No. --

13:11

when they when they purchased the property, and there's the

13:14

pictures that she sent us. Yep.

13:16

There's not.

13:16

No. He said this is

13:19

Doug under

13:20

the floor of the basement. This

13:24

is an area that

13:27

was dug on the found nation

13:30

under.

13:31

Yeah.

13:34

So he

13:36

said that he would like to come back and

13:38

do

13:38

the rest of the property. They

13:41

couldn't do it today because it was starting

13:43

to rapidly thaw and

13:45

it was getting very muddy. Mhmm.

13:48

He's

13:48

putting together the report. He's going

13:50

to mail it to me. He said

13:53

that the next

13:53

step would be to

13:56

is

13:56

to augur a hole in

13:59

those three target

14:00

areas and obtain

14:03

a sample and then present

14:05

them to get out of our dogs. So

14:07

this

14:07

is just from human scent for them to say

14:09

they could have. Right. does it do?

14:11

Yep. This is just generally to

14:14

say, yes. It's yes.

14:16

It's the dogs are

14:18

indicating they're they're as a cadaver

14:20

or could be a cadaver. But

14:23

a

14:23

cadaver dog wouldn't say --

14:25

Yes. -- that's Britney, no on just letting

14:28

us know if there's something down there

14:30

that is hitting that he's getting a mark on

14:32

that's a convert. Right? Correct.

14:37

how

14:37

long does that take? because I need the I need

14:39

the the next move I need the marketing about

14:41

is law enforcement letting what's the name

14:43

know, the new detective

14:45

that. Yeah. Go that's going on over here. I

14:47

just wanna get you involved.

14:50

Agree is basically, like, what

14:52

they do when they

14:53

go when people go ice fishing to

14:55

make a hole in the ice. So he said he wants

14:57

to do the rest of the property. So when he had talked to

14:59

me, he was like, oh, it took me about two and a half

15:01

hours maybe. I'm guessing

15:03

that that the rest of the property is what he thought

15:05

he could get done in the two and a half. Maybe he had

15:07

some anomalies get brought up

15:09

and sort of down the knee of the

15:12

the weather conditions. Has he talked about

15:14

the rest of the property as in I

15:16

think what he was referring

15:18

to was the rest of the

15:20

parcel in the same area he

15:21

didn't get you from my understanding. They

15:24

did the

15:26

shed and the old barn

15:28

area you, and then

15:30

went moved over to

15:32

the foundation of

15:34

the basement around down to that

15:36

area.

15:37

Yeah. Are you able to set

15:39

up three way call with him? Yep.

15:43

Let's do it through a call. Do you want me to

15:45

try calling him now? Or do you want me to, like, set

15:47

it up, make an appointment? Did I

15:49

give him a call? Do you want to call get

15:51

to call me back on home? Yeah. I have

15:53

to call you on your cell phone. Alright. You have a call

15:55

back.

15:55

Alright. Bye. Whoa.

15:57

Wow.

15:59

How do I wake you up? Yeah. Holy

16:02

smokes.

16:05

Every

16:05

rumor about Don Hills starts to pass

16:07

through my head, like

16:09

a film reel. Stories

16:11

that Britney was raped and killed there, held

16:13

in a dog crate, burned to death.

16:16

The reels repeat my mind like a record

16:18

skipping through the worst song on the album, The

16:21

more that the real plays, the more pressure I feel to

16:23

get this GPR completed. Sixteen

16:27

days after bringing disappears, On

16:30

December fifteenth twenty eighteen, someone

16:33

attempted to burn down Don Hill's

16:35

house. Five days

16:37

later on December nineteenth, A

16:40

second attempt was made. Revealing

16:43

the truth is like lighting a book

16:45

of matches. It could

16:48

bring light. or

16:50

it can set your wall on fire.

16:54

Put a pin in this and tack it on your

16:56

mental bulletin

16:57

board.

16:59

Mike?

17:01

Yes. Great. James

17:04

is here. Hey, Mike. Hey,

17:04

James. I'm good, man. How are you? I'm

17:07

fantastic. I'm over here on obviously

17:09

West Coast, and Sarah

17:11

messaged me this morning and said I needed to call

17:13

our ASAP. Sounds

17:14

like you you came across some things out

17:16

there at the property that we were

17:18

at for Don Hill's house.

17:20

What did you find with the

17:23

Segato? So we

17:24

found one item, one

17:27

anomaly in the basement. And

17:29

let me back up a second. As you

17:32

expected, it looks like the foundation of the

17:34

house was pushed into

17:36

the basement. So there is a lot

17:38

of debris and mixed

17:40

material on top of it. So it's kinda

17:42

hard to see, you know, every

17:44

square foot of the basement. But

17:46

were able to identify one area in one to one

17:48

of the basement that was significantly

17:52

deeper and the

17:54

bottom of the basement. And it seems to have

17:56

something in it. I just can't tell what it

17:59

is. It it looks kind of

18:01

reflective. It's kind of flat run

18:03

over in one direction. It's just it's

18:05

just odd. It it doesn't

18:07

belong there, I guess, is the better way

18:10

to put in your that this person

18:12

who put this or whatever this item is

18:14

down there has nothing to

18:16

do with with them originally when

18:18

they took the house down and they threw the the the shit in the basement

18:20

and everything like that, this is nothing nowhere

18:22

near the same material

18:26

in the area of all the debris that

18:28

they shut down in the basement. This is deeper

18:30

than that. So this would be intentional somebody

18:33

obviously buried this down. This isn't

18:35

like a -- Yep. -- thing from mother nature

18:37

that we're running into in your opinion?

18:39

Nope. Absolutely not. Yep.

18:42

That's correct. There's there's also two

18:44

anomalies outside the basement, just

18:46

outside. One of them, I think,

18:48

is probably a separate system.

18:50

The other I'm not sure. The other the

18:52

one that's directly behind the house or

18:55

behind the basement is very

18:57

odd too.

18:57

You know,

19:02

it's another possibility. It's it's quite

19:04

a bit deeper than I expect

19:06

to be there. However,

19:08

there probably was a well in some

19:10

location.

19:10

So I just don't

19:12

know about that one. But but but basically, there are

19:15

three anomalies

19:15

in the the one that's in the base button,

19:18

you know, just because it's

19:20

in the base button.

19:23

strace me

19:23

to to decide. It was

19:26

definitely not during the house

19:28

construction or, you know, part of the or

19:30

she of the house

19:32

or anything like that? And

19:33

then with the basement, the one behind the house

19:35

that we thought made progress possibly to

19:38

be a a septic?

19:39

Correct. third

19:41

location is on the side of the house.

19:44

If you were looking at it, standing on the

19:46

road. If you're standing in the driveway, looking at

19:48

the house, stop from the left side. But

19:50

I was we looked in a

19:52

street view too to see if we could see it

19:54

in there because we were a

19:56

street view was the old house. There

19:58

was no large trees or,

20:00

you know,

20:01

structures or anything like that in that area that we

20:03

could see at least like a word.

20:06

So that makes that one

20:08

quite odd too. That one

20:10

is actually not as

20:12

deep as the rest. It's

20:14

only about working or

20:16

so. Sarah

20:16

had mentioned that you were wanting to just

20:19

because of weather conditions, we we had to

20:21

wrap it up today. Is that

20:23

right? Right. how much more do you need to do in order for you to complete the

20:25

property? Well, we'd like to

20:26

do that, like, the whole thing. Right.

20:29

The problem is is that this is probably

20:31

the last day of of frozen

20:33

ground. We have it started

20:35

up to get wet and much

20:38

ESB more on today. So

20:40

we really only did the the area

20:42

of the house and the area of

20:44

the barn. You know, pretty good sized areas,

20:46

but not the complete site. And I really like to

20:48

do the complete side. So it was,

20:50

you know, there is no, but then there's

20:53

anything else left. Having

20:55

said that, I don't know when

20:57

because and have to dry out a little bit more.

20:59

This was kind of our one

21:01

chance, so I think we might have to wait now until the frost

21:03

comes out of the ground. which could be a

21:05

few weeks.

21:07

As far

21:09

as the either of the the

21:11

the spots that you found to being

21:13

questioned, Sara was

21:15

explaining me the process, but if you could,

21:17

if you walk me through it, but it explains

21:19

me in your words. So

21:22

what we normally do except

21:24

it involved in a bunch of these kind of things

21:26

and and, you know, a lot of times you

21:28

find something that fits with the story. And

21:31

then if I know later, this is not it.

21:33

So he doesn't have anybody just

21:35

go to start digging. So what

21:37

we've developed over time is just to take a

21:39

course now level and

21:41

of of the anomaly assuming

21:43

we get down there to looks like we're

21:45

probably good. I I don't know about

21:48

the debris that's there and

21:50

there's a ton of rocks coming up here and we get

21:52

there. But what we normally would do is

21:54

on the wall take a sample of

21:56

soil, put in

21:58

a a plain jar and then

21:59

present it to a cataract dog somewhere

22:03

else. never get ever done. I'd say he's waiting.

22:05

But you see, when you do

22:07

that, you're bringing up the set from

22:10

down low. So it's easy for it to ever try to say here

22:12

your day. As long as we have one

22:14

that, you know, we trust to take

22:16

things. You can see

22:18

that

22:18

that or or take

22:20

up that spot? If there's

22:21

anything else that we we have a little more

22:24

confirmation with

22:27

all

22:27

the digging sampling all

22:29

that stuff. And when it gets when it comes to

22:31

a dog, do I need to look for something for

22:33

you guys as far as getting a dog that's I

22:35

would rather you do a business

22:37

day. the the dog I've been using for years

22:39

actually just passed away recently.

22:41

The gal

22:42

is a new dog, but he's not

22:43

very well trained yet. So I would

22:45

rather have one that you know, we

22:47

know is good and I I don't know of any

22:50

currently. I can reach

22:52

out

22:52

to a few people that I I we

22:54

can we can look up and

22:56

one of them is is the detective and see

22:58

what he what he suggested recommends for

23:00

the guard dogs as well.

23:02

Okay. Sounds good. and then,

23:04

you know, we're gonna put

23:06

together on that Kubernetes folder.

23:09

So you'll have a a share file

23:11

folder. It's gonna be when he

23:13

took some pictures there and of

23:15

the anomalous and some other information

23:17

will be there too. Perfect. as

23:20

to coordinates for those

23:20

points. Perfect. Okay. That sounds

23:23

great. That

23:23

sounds great. I will Sarah,

23:25

I would say at

23:28

this point, it might be I think it

23:30

would be best practice and

23:32

approach for us to just let this you

23:34

know, as we're moving along, Yeah.

23:36

Just keep them in the loop, so we're not they're

23:39

not wondering what's going on if

23:41

they see anything.

23:50

And in your and

23:50

your experience, this

23:53

is I mean, for

23:55

you guys to be able to say, hey. I mean, that one

23:57

below the basement really kinda sticks

23:59

out

23:59

to me. It would be right in the corner of the

24:02

foundation. So right in the corner of the

24:04

basement. And then go down deeper below

24:06

the basement.

24:07

Correct. Okay. I'm quite a bit

24:09

deeper. It shows three or four feet, not just

24:12

AAA few feet. You know what I mean? Like, it's

24:14

it's certainly a deeper. what

24:16

I'll do is I'll I'll like I said, I'll make my calls and

24:18

then, Eric, and we can get you over that

24:20

summary of the case as well. And

24:24

we will kinda play it and go from

24:27

there. Okay. Sounds good. Thank you so much.

24:29

We greatly appreciate it. Oh,

24:31

no problem at all. Good luck.

24:33

So what do you

24:34

think? Wow.

24:37

Okay. Well,

24:39

the basement's always where they talked about it, but three

24:41

four feet. I I need to

24:44

I wanna contact Jason, the

24:46

the new detective. Mhmm.

24:49

Let him know, but I don't wanna

24:51

get in front of it. Like, do you get too far in front

24:53

of it? This is me giving you the softball,

24:55

bring the fed let's say we

24:57

find something like, this is

25:00

you. Your time is China. Go to

25:02

do job.

25:03

ultimately that we need them.

25:07

We

25:07

need them.

25:24

We

25:30

have

25:30

a good rapport with the detective working Britney's

25:33

case. He's been easy

25:34

to work with, and we're always sure

25:36

to keep him updated on our progress.

25:39

So

25:39

at this point, we feel it's best

25:41

to contact him, share the findings of

25:43

the GPR, and discuss how we

25:46

proceed together. Through

25:48

our discussion with the detective, we'll

25:50

make a plan. The

25:52

first step is arranging a date when everyone

25:54

is available. This

25:56

means Mike and Sean, the dog

25:58

handler, the detective, and the property

26:00

owners all have to agree on the day.

26:02

For Mike and Sean, this will

26:04

be their third trip out. The

26:08

plan this time is to pull

26:10

soil sample. present

26:11

a cadaver dogs.

26:13

Ready to

26:14

hear some good news?

26:20

Hey, James.

26:22

How are you

26:25

doing? Good. How are you doing, sir? Good.

26:29

Good.

26:30

Good. Good. I heard I got some good

26:32

news and imagine you've already talked to

26:36

the detective. Yeah. Yep,

26:37

Jason. Yep. Sure did. Perfect. What

26:39

did he

26:40

tell you? He

26:43

he said that she's

26:45

going to have a dog out there. He he

26:47

said he was gonna have a dog out there tomorrow,

26:49

but since we had heard from him, I already booked

26:51

up tomorrow. So we're gonna meet up

26:54

there Monday.

26:55

And evidently, the the

26:58

county has a dog handler with

27:00

a cadaver dog. and

27:03

they were gonna be there as well.

27:05

So, yes, he had mentioned that they were

27:07

going to be out there. They're going to be

27:09

able to test And then for

27:10

all the other additional anomalies that

27:13

we probably can go back out in May do

27:15

the same thing. And I was wondering, do you

27:17

actually foresee it

27:19

being a challenge to get all the anomalies knocked out

27:21

one day. No.

27:24

Not at all. Yeah. I think

27:26

they can get them all.

27:29

it it it sounds like the dog handler is

27:31

used to this kind of stuff because he

27:33

said that he was talking to

27:35

her, I don't know her name. But

27:38

that she's in the past

27:40

has done probing

27:43

to vent for gas, and

27:45

that's exactly what we do. That's what we're trying to

27:47

do with a good getting at a sample with an

27:49

augur. So she's right along

27:51

the same lines. She's never worked with us

27:53

before any GPR company. So

27:56

she's looking forward to it to to work together. So

27:58

I think that's good. Then

28:00

if we find something else in the

28:03

future, I think we'll still be able to scan

28:05

another spot. Sean has

28:07

it pinned now -- Yeah. -- and see if there's

28:09

anything else there While

28:12

she's

28:12

working on those spots, push on,

28:14

I can go ahead and just keep

28:17

going, just scan some more of that

28:19

yard As long as the weather doesn't

28:21

screw us at all. Yeah. Yeah. And and, correct

28:23

me, I'm sorry for asking. Did you say that

28:25

you thought you would be able to get it all done in one

28:27

day with the auger? Oh, yes. Go.

28:29

Yep. I think so. Perfect. So we're

28:31

not gonna need that to force this out to

28:34

May.

28:34

Great. Perfect.

28:36

Oh my goodness. That's awesome.

28:38

Yep. Yeah. This should be good.

28:40

Do you know what

28:42

time on Monday? Nine

28:45

o'clock. Any

28:48

questions

28:48

for me? Nope.

28:50

I think it'll work. Lawson,

28:53

I

28:53

appreciate it. Okay.

28:55

No problem. Have a good one. You too. Bye.

28:57

Alright. Bye bye.

29:00

yeah

29:02

Yeah.

29:04

Yes.

29:05

one

29:18

Mike

29:23

confirms that he's spoken to detective Otten. He's

29:26

also confirmed that the detective will be on-site

29:28

with cadaver dogs and a handler.

29:32

Sarah reaches out to the property owners to make sure that

29:34

we've gotten the green light from them for the date

29:37

we have in mind. A life

29:39

of when plans come

29:41

together. Mike confirms that he's

29:43

spoken to detective Otten. He's

29:45

also confirmed that the detective will be on-site

29:47

with cadaver dogs and a handler.

29:50

Sara reaches out to the

29:52

property owners to make sure that we have the green light

29:54

from them for the date we have in mind.

29:57

I like it when plans come together.

29:59

especially when it's something that's important.

30:01

In less than a week,

30:04

Mike and Sean are set to finish the

30:06

property scan and soil

30:08

samples from the previously detected

30:11

anomalies. It's not a minute too

30:13

soon either. We're quickly

30:15

running out of time. Sara

30:17

and I have been diligently day and night. The

30:19

release of this

30:20

season is fast approaching, and

30:23

the day we've

30:24

been waiting for is here. I

30:27

get an early morning message from Sarah, confirming

30:30

that we're set for success. Mike and

30:33

Sean had the GPR set up and are ready to

30:35

do the soil pool. The

30:37

canine handler has arrived with her

30:39

trusted canines. Law enforcement is

30:41

on hand and a representative from

30:43

our team is

30:45

there. It's just before six

30:47

AM for me. Sarah and I

30:49

are in frequent

30:50

contact throughout the

30:52

morning.

30:53

I hang up with her and head into my studio

30:55

when the day begins to go from promising

30:57

to discouraging. My

31:00

computer won't turn

31:01

on. For forty five minutes, I

31:03

try everything I could think of. I've

31:05

been less than proactive in my search for additional

31:07

storage, so everything I have for

31:10

this season is on that computer. Interviews,

31:12

documents, trailers, the whole shebang. I

31:14

called the closest Apple store,

31:17

take the first available appointment, and

31:19

packed the computer up. As soon as I'm in

31:21

the car, I call Sarah back and tell her what's

31:24

happening. It's a six hour

31:26

round trip. and I have no idea

31:28

if I'll be leaving with my hard drive or

31:30

not. And if I do, I don't know

31:32

if anything on it will be recoverable. I'm

31:35

on the road just over an hour when Sarah

31:37

sends me a text message.

31:39

Hey, I

31:41

know you're on the road, so

31:43

read this whenever you can, but there's

31:46

an equipment failure. Mike

31:48

and Sean won't be able to complete this

31:50

oil poll today. They're an

31:52

hour or more from shop. So

31:55

going to get the part they need and then

31:57

returning just isn't feasible right

31:59

now. But

31:59

they did manage to complete the

32:02

GPR on the remainder of the amount area.

32:04

Call me when you cab.

32:12

Okay.

32:12

What's up?

32:13

Hi. What's

32:15

going on? So so

32:18

they did

32:18

the second the

32:19

the last half of the GPR.

32:21

Oh, perfect. There's

32:24

two more anomalies.

32:28

we're

32:28

at.

32:31

Wow. One

32:32

of them is

32:37

in the area just

32:39

outside of where

32:41

we

32:41

believe the old

32:43

barn used to be?

32:45

he could not locate

32:48

the exact area of the old

32:50

barn,

32:50

but that

32:53

that is just outside where he

32:54

believes that would be. How

32:57

deep

32:57

is it? He did

33:01

not give me a lot of specifics

33:03

about that one

33:04

because he said that one could

33:06

be, you know, a

33:09

a high shape or, you know,

33:12

something relatively

33:14

explainable. So that's one of them, and then

33:17

there's a second one. There is

33:19

a second one. Where's the second one

33:22

at?

33:22

The second one is

33:27

just outside

33:29

of where the driveway

33:31

would have been. The

33:34

second one

33:38

is six ish

33:40

feet deep. We

33:42

tried

33:42

calling Sue who were working

33:44

with the dog handler

33:45

but could not get a hold of

33:48

her. Okay. Has he talked

33:50

to Jason? He called

33:52

Jason and left a message, but

33:54

he said that he has not

33:56

heard back and he

34:00

their telephone system, there's no

34:03

way to reach an operator. Do you

34:05

see where

34:05

on the map he's talking specifically?

34:08

because But he said it's

34:10

outside of where the driveway

34:12

would have been just outside of where

34:14

the driveway would have been. I don't know if that's

34:16

the end of the driveway or where,

34:18

but he said he's going back to

34:20

the shop and he is going to upload

34:22

the information. He's also going

34:25

to include on the information

34:27

upload because he needs

34:30

him

34:30

to

34:31

see it. Yeah.

34:35

Okay. Mike

34:39

sounds pretty Can

34:42

you call can we get on a three way real

34:44

quick?

34:45

Sure. Awesome.

34:46

Thank you.

34:48

Okay.

34:50

Bye. Sarah adds

34:51

Mike and Sean into a conversation

34:54

with us. Hey. Hey.

34:55

How are you

34:58

doing? Hey, Ariel. Good.

34:59

Good. So We listen

35:02

intently

35:02

while they explain what they saw in the graphs

35:04

and why it's potentially significant. I'm

35:06

looking at the graphs on my

35:09

phone. Even if I was looking at them on my

35:11

computer, these graphs are not easy to

35:13

read. To the untrained eye, like

35:16

mine, it just looks like a lot of

35:18

jagged lines. disconnected dots and bumps. It's

35:20

confusing for sure. But Mike and Sean

35:22

do a great job walking us through what

35:24

we're seeing. But

35:27

we wanted you

35:28

to find that old bar during November that's Georgia

35:30

because of you. Yes. So I'm going to our whole

35:32

street here. So that's

35:34

the area that we must have

35:37

contacted made

35:47

by a six or eight gate light, which I

35:49

was building. Some kind of backed building

35:51

in your garage. Maybe not

35:59

on

36:03

the right

36:09

wing the outside of the

36:12

radius. Yeah.

36:16

Yeah. Okay. Just not that

36:19

strip home. There was an extra

36:21

bed area. Again, about a six

36:23

or 7BB That's

36:25

a really interesting b b. And

36:27

then my direction is really

36:30

flat on the opposite direction. It

36:32

was Northside rearview. US side rear

36:34

one. And you

36:36

get to kind of a

36:38

further believe in your possibly

36:40

something flat included,

36:43

not gonna be just concrete

36:44

and debris and debris and debris.

36:47

Nothing know. I mean, you know, it's something, but you can

36:49

get us backfilled. But it's not in

36:51

the very big area,

36:54

and it's barely deep. So

36:57

In the old

37:00

pictures,

37:01

it would you would basically pull

37:03

into the to the to the driveway,

37:05

and then you would kinda continue around to the dog lake

37:07

to the left of the house. Is it

37:09

back there? Is that what you're

37:12

talking about? on

37:15

that dog lane to the right. Oh,

37:16

to the right. Yeah. It's

37:17

a little bit of a

37:20

gravel driveway right on the

37:22

radio. Okay.

37:26

Okay. I'm working on it right now. I'm working on it right now.

37:28

I'm working on handling that file so I can

37:30

upload it right No.

37:32

No. Don't worry. No. I'm

37:35

talking about. Okay.

37:38

In your experience, does this graph reading does

37:40

it show anything that would show similarities

37:42

to a human remains?

37:44

That's really hard way to

37:46

answer. Possibly.

37:50

That's a small one possibly, but I

37:52

I can't really answer it. It's something.

37:56

It's an is my head

37:58

deep. You know, later than

37:59

anything. I guess, like, a mic would be

38:02

there of Okay.

38:08

Okay. So you're gonna be sending

38:09

a email off to us with the stuff, but

38:11

also improving Jason into that.

38:13

Gotcha. Yep. Gotcha. folder.

38:16

So you can see everything that we got,

38:18

everything we uploaded. I don't

38:20

know when she

38:21

wants to be out very

38:23

young. did you leave you left Jason Ema or a

38:26

voice mail expressing this as

38:28

well? Or at least letting him know you

38:29

what you found, and then see if we can try to

38:31

get the dogs out there maybe?

38:33

I have any yet. No. I'm going

38:35

to that was a dog, but he had tried to reach

38:37

out to you. Right?

38:38

Okay. Right.

38:39

Okay. That sounds

38:42

good. I've appreciate it. I'll be on standby looking for those emails. I am I

38:44

actually have a six hour drive today I have to

38:46

make. So I will be on the

38:48

road. I will be

38:50

depending on

38:51

Final plans

38:53

come to fruition.

38:56

We have a full team on-site.

38:59

It's remarkable we're able to pull

39:01

this off again. The

39:04

canine handler and our canine team

39:06

are there. The detective and other law enforcement

39:08

have arrived. Mike and

39:10

Sean are ready and

39:11

have the backup equipment this time

39:13

just in case. The

39:16

property owners

39:16

are on board once again, and a hide

39:18

and seek representative is there to stay in

39:20

contact with Sarah and I.

39:23

standing water has all but drained.

39:26

The sun has come out, and

39:28

it's even starting to warm up.

39:30

Mother nature has Finally, I know

39:33

Sarah

39:33

and I would prefer

39:35

to be

39:36

there. but

39:38

this is the best we can do right now. Images

39:40

of the scenes start to arrive to

39:42

the both of us. This could be

39:44

a really pivotal moment for Britney's case.

39:47

If this is where she is,

39:50

today is her homecoming.

39:52

Her family can finally have some sense

39:56

of peace. and Greg and Jessica can lay child rest.

39:58

The soil pools are

40:02

complete. Sarah and I bring

40:03

aside relief and

40:06

inhale hope. A

40:08

representative tells us it's

40:11

time. The canine

40:14

handler presents the soil pulls to

40:16

her

40:16

trusted partners. We've gone where

40:18

the evidence and professionals have led us.

40:22

We did everything we could to trying to find answers about Don Hill's

40:24

property, but there's no

40:26

positive

40:27

alert by the canines.

40:31

We

40:31

breathe another

40:33

sigh. Only this time,

40:35

there's no inhaling hope.

40:38

As Sarah and I look at the images

40:40

of the scene clearing out, we felt confident that if

40:42

Britney was there, we would have

40:46

found her. The calls to deliver the news to

40:48

Jessica and Greg and

40:50

Emily as well as Britney's

40:52

siblings are

40:54

difficult. Words are hard

40:56

to force out. There's a

40:59

heaviness in my chest, and I rely

41:01

on faith to complete the

41:03

tough task. hear trepidation in every voice I

41:05

speak to. I'm sure how to

41:07

receive this news. I

41:10

imagine for all

41:12

of them. there's a struggle between relief and

41:14

sorrow. Relief that their

41:16

child and sibling hasn't been out there all

41:18

this time

41:20

alone. waiting to be found

41:23

and sorrow for

41:25

the unknown. No choice but

41:27

to carry on. and live

41:29

through the experience of hearing news like this

41:32

again. And who knows how

41:34

many more

41:36

times? for Britney's family and friends. The unfairness

41:38

of her absence is crushing. Of

41:40

all the things that we get to

41:43

choose in this life, We

41:45

don't get to choose our nightmares. We don't

41:47

get to pick them. They

41:50

pick us. pick us and

41:52

waking up from them is

41:54

even harder to do.

41:56

When you

41:57

are actually asleep,

41:59

Next

42:03

time, on hide

42:06

and seek. So when I opened it,

42:07

she asked for the name of

42:09

the photographer. But,

42:11

like,

42:11

it has no previous

42:14

conversation. And we've been talking

42:16

obviously multiple times. So why

42:18

it's empty? Like,

42:19

who is that?

42:25

So, man, it's been a minute. I've been

42:28

wanting to finally catch up with

42:30

you.

42:31

You're taking

42:35

some

42:37

someone's word such as vals and

42:40

trusting that I my intentions are

42:42

good.

42:42

So if you

42:45

got any questions, chew.

42:49

Okay. Dave

42:54

always assumed it was your Cadillac the the

42:57

ring video. Okay.

43:00

You have

43:00

them. They're right there. It has the ring up in

43:02

the top left corner. That's a security cam

43:06

footage. I'm just

43:08

curious

43:08

of why my name even

43:11

came

43:11

out. How did my

43:13

name come out? You

43:15

know, how where did

43:17

it even come You see

43:20

the passenger side door

43:23

open,

43:23

you're someone someone kind of screaming,

43:25

just that in a third.

43:27

What

43:32

happened?