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Sweet jeez, amazing day.

1:03

Twenty four

1:04

hundred states, Brady Gillum went to Sturgis

1:06

tonight to speak put the missing mother

1:08

about what may have happened to

1:10

her daughter. I

1:13

can tell you what she most likely is.

1:16

hadn't seen anybody, but I felt comfortable

1:19

saying anything too until

1:21

today. As stories

1:23

they tell are pretty top. They're pretty freaking

1:25

groovesome.

1:27

I kept all the text messages,

1:29

Facebook messages, twenty.

1:33

I have all of them. I

1:35

have everything. I

1:37

told myself to all my motherfuckers, and

1:40

I gonna have my people fucking

1:42

take care of it. I'll

1:45

just stay for a deep fan out of nowhere just to see

1:47

what somebody says. Is this

1:49

little town around here that'd be hard the high

1:51

throughput because eventually everything

1:53

comes up. To

1:56

me, some of these, I don't believe any don't have to

1:58

run into this love.

2:01

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2:04

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2:07

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3:09

Hey,

3:09

guys. Before

3:12

we move on to the case file, let's

3:14

recap last week with the addition of a couple

3:16

pieces of info. that will be

3:18

new to listeners.

3:22

In episode twenty five, we confirmed

3:24

that messages in Britney's Facebook account

3:26

didn't match the data download actually

3:28

did on July ninth, twenty nineteen.

3:32

Messages between Sheldon and Britney

3:34

and Rockford the PI and Ashley

3:37

while in Britney's account were very

3:39

different. Sheldon's

3:41

character was revealed when we got a glimpse into

3:43

Sheldon's private conversation with Britney.

3:46

Those messages show a man doing his best

3:48

to support a woman he cares about deeply.

3:51

We think they were a pretty solid indicator

3:54

of his temperament. As

3:57

a side note, on December

3:59

first twenty eighteen at ten twenty

4:01

eight PM, Sheldon

4:04

an attempt to reach Britney on the account

4:06

she shared with cage by

4:08

sending a thumbs up. When

4:11

we access Sheldon's Facebook account,

4:13

We check for correspondence with that account.

4:17

We see that the thumbs up was sent,

4:20

and we see it was opened

4:24

on July seventeenth of twenty

4:26

nineteen.

4:30

Eric finds out from Sheldon that

4:32

he's given the notebooks to Jessica. Eric

4:35

vanishes.

4:38

He never makes another attempt to speak to Sheldon

4:40

again, not about the missing mother of his

4:42

children, and not about the woman

4:44

he claimed to be so concerned about just

4:46

twenty four hours before. Oh,

4:50

and speaking of Eric.

4:54

Here's an additional piece of information to

4:56

chew on.

4:59

Eight months after Britney disappears, on

5:02

July ninth twenty eighteen. Rockford,

5:06

the PI receives a screenshot showing

5:08

Britney's most recent account with a well

5:10

known green dot next to her photo to indicate

5:12

the account is active. Rockford

5:16

messages Eric and says, Someone

5:19

was on Britney's Facebook last night at

5:21

about eleven PM.

5:25

Eric responds to Rockford and

5:27

says

5:29

Was already shown that. Thanks.

5:33

I'll tell you like I told her mom.

5:35

I just got the fuck out of the

5:37

probation center. I'm

5:39

busy.

5:43

In

5:43

the transcript, Ashley provided of her

5:45

conversation with Rockford, the

5:47

conversation between them ceases on June

5:49

fourth after a disagreement. Britney's

5:54

account shows as active July ninth

5:56

twenty nineteen, when Rockford sends a

5:58

message to the account demanding

6:00

to know who's using it, saying,

6:03

this isn't a joke. You

6:05

need to tell me who this is. When

6:09

there's no answer, Rockford

6:12

sends another message at ten fifty seven

6:14

PM, and says, a

6:17

thousand dollars delivered me the

6:19

phone, cash, no

6:21

names needed.

6:25

The following day, on

6:28

July tenth twenty nineteen, at

6:30

one fifty seven PM. There's

6:32

a response to Rockford from

6:36

Britney's account.

6:41

It's me. Now we do

6:43

things my way.

6:47

We see in the transcript of their conversation

6:50

that on the same day, July tenth

6:52

twenty nineteen, the conversation

6:54

between Rockford and Ashley picks

6:56

up again. In her

6:58

opening message to Rockford, Ashley

7:01

says, It was me and Brit's

7:03

Facebook.

7:10

Wrapping of last week's episode, we

7:13

see that Eric and Ashley Murray order

7:15

Sheldon not to cooperate with law enforcement.

7:17

and discouraged him from handing over Britney's notebooks.

7:21

Sheldon ignores this and

7:24

gives them to Jessica. who turns

7:26

them into law enforcement.

7:30

In today's episode, we'll begin to

7:32

explore the case file. We've

7:35

decided to do this in a roundtable discussion

7:37

format.

7:40

This way, You can follow

7:42

along with our discussion and our travels

7:44

through the case file. And

7:47

I'm gonna warn you,

7:50

It's a lot. You're

7:52

gonna have to keep up.

8:02

Alright. So, Sarah, we have

8:05

the case file. and

8:08

very excited to share and go

8:10

over this and go over just the

8:12

details everybody's testimony

8:14

holding people accountable to their words.

8:16

But getting this case file, we

8:18

had our challenges and there was something,

8:21

you know, this was something that we wanted to do early

8:23

on, and this was something that we wanted

8:27

to get our hands on. But because it took some time

8:29

to develop that trust with Saint Joe County and

8:31

getting to this point, you had

8:33

eventually put in the foyer request.

8:36

And in a brief summary, you know, tell us

8:38

how all worked itself

8:40

out. So

8:41

I put that fire request

8:43

in some

8:46

time I think at the end of

8:47

April. And

8:50

it took I I

8:52

gave them fifteen days to

8:54

respond, and it took about

8:56

that for them to respond back to

8:58

me. I spoke to a very patient

9:02

and helpful woman who

9:05

contacted me sometime

9:06

at the beginning of May, and

9:08

she said that they were gonna they were gonna

9:10

need

9:10

some time. so they

9:13

were asking for an extension

9:16

because the file was

9:18

so large. and it would

9:20

be a lot of work to get it together, get it

9:22

to us. She did say it was

9:24

the largest file in Saint Joseph

9:26

County. They had held it underlocking key,

9:28

and

9:30

So for those reasons, they were gonna

9:33

need some

9:34

some time to get it together. So

9:36

the

9:36

extension. You know, of course,

9:39

obviously, I said that that was fine.

9:41

That kind of led into

9:42

why we took

9:43

the the break there. I mean,

9:46

once we got our hands on it, this was

9:48

a very large case file.

9:50

Some of the challenges of them having

9:52

to part of their stipulation was that they were

9:54

going to redact information such as

9:56

identities and locations in order for

9:58

us to be able to get the case file, which

10:00

is fine. we will take

10:02

that. When we

10:04

receive it though, being with it, not only

10:06

just being a large case fault, it was kind of

10:08

unorganized too. We had interviews

10:10

in different areas of the case file and different,

10:12

you know, individuals who had their

10:14

own reports that were filed.

10:16

And so it was very challenging to

10:18

kind of put this together. So what we ended up

10:20

doing was putting a spreadsheet together and

10:22

organizing it in a way that we can

10:24

better understand it. cross reference

10:26

interviews, look at the timeline, put things in

10:28

order from testimonies

10:30

of or law enforcement interviews, dispatch

10:32

log evidence, polygraphs, you know,

10:35

all the above. We we put it all

10:37

together. Once

10:38

we're going through it, you know,

10:39

as we read through every single

10:42

document in this case file,

10:44

there are so many rabbit holes

10:46

that law enforcement was taken

10:48

down. You can understand, and like

10:50

I've said before, this quickly got out

10:52

of hand as far as all the

10:54

testimonies and leads and rumors that were being

10:56

spread. You had times where

10:58

you had one individual sharing

11:00

a testimony. and then it

11:02

would be regurgitated by and and shared

11:04

by somebody else. And it's the same

11:06

story, but it's told their own version

11:08

way or sometimes the the

11:10

story would unfold a little bit more and you get a little

11:12

bit more detail in in who knows if

11:14

that's true or not? It's just them adding maybe

11:17

what they heard to it. It's almost like that game

11:19

where you play, whereas kids whisper

11:21

one thing at the bottom of the line and goes, oh, they

11:23

got the chin. By the end of it, you got

11:25

something completely different. I

11:27

don't want us to go down all these rabbit holes. We

11:29

can spend episode after episode after

11:31

episode. But what's the point in that if if

11:33

what we've worked on we can see

11:35

and say, hey, that's not somewhere we don't need

11:37

to go. We're not going to entertain that. That's part of

11:39

why there are so many challenges with this

11:41

case. And throwing more names

11:43

out there is just gonna make these more

11:45

complicated. What we're gonna do is

11:47

focus on the timeline of Britney's

11:49

disappearance in those she was closest

11:51

to and not rumors, not

11:53

rabbit trails, but things that we

11:55

can say, hey, we have proof of this,

11:57

x, y, and z, and holding people

11:59

accountable to their testimony.

12:01

with it being redacted,

12:04

that also creates challenges because

12:06

sometimes we don't know who the individual

12:08

is that's that's being interviewed. a

12:10

lot of these testimonies, we were able to

12:13

piece together the story and say, okay, this is who

12:15

this is because we know. We've heard this before.

12:17

We know who's providing this testimony,

12:19

we have a good idea on who it

12:21

is. So what I

12:23

would like to do is for us to start where this

12:26

all begins. and that is starting

12:28

at Sheldon's house, starting with

12:30

Sheldon's testimony.

12:38

So, Sheldon voluntarily goes

12:40

to the sheriff's department for an

12:42

interview.

12:46

He is talking to

12:48

an officer and he says he's

12:50

known for a long time and

12:52

that they officially began dating

12:54

again

12:55

on or about eleven

12:58

twenty two. This would

13:00

line up with what we saw

13:02

on her Facebook.

13:04

He continues

13:06

on and he says that At

13:08

this time Thor was

13:10

living with him and then Britney moved

13:12

in with both of them.

13:15

Shell explains that he and

13:17

Britney had a disagreement on the

13:19

morning of eleven thirty

13:21

over

13:22

one another's

13:23

drug use. So

13:26

he tells the officer that Britney

13:28

told him that he wouldn't like

13:30

her much later on, and he took

13:32

this to mean that she was gonna

13:34

get high or used later when

13:37

she left to go to her

13:39

grandmother's. He

13:41

says he was using Adderall.

13:43

She was using bath and she

13:46

tells him at some point that

13:48

she has about a gram

13:51

left and she tells him that after

13:53

she uses this, she's not

13:55

gonna use anymore. And Sheldon

13:57

says, you know, fine

13:59

use this and and he

14:01

tells her he really has

14:03

two rules and one is not to

14:05

use needles and two

14:07

that this really be the

14:09

end of of her using.

14:11

They

14:12

continued on with their day.

14:14

Britney asks to borrow the

14:17

car to do laundry. And

14:19

when she asks, Sheldon says that he

14:21

offers to take her to

14:23

do laundry. And he says

14:25

at this point, she she kind of gets

14:27

attitude with him. She wants to go

14:29

herself. So he ends up allowing

14:31

her to borrow the car. She

14:33

leaves to do laundry.

14:35

and he says that she calls

14:38

him shortly after she left

14:40

and complains to

14:42

him that there's

14:44

no gas in the car, and

14:46

she's kind of pissed off about that.

14:49

He says some time passes and

14:51

he texts her a couple times,

14:54

but she doesn't ever respond to

14:56

him. And

14:57

he

14:58

kind of lets it go until he's getting

15:01

ready for for a bed and he

15:03

starts to worry that she hasn't

15:05

returned yet. Before

15:07

he goes to bed, he decides

15:09

he's going to call his

15:11

friend Bowman, which, you know, we've heard

15:13

from him, and ask

15:15

Bowman. If bowman could give

15:17

him a ride around town, maybe

15:20

figure out where she is, maybe find

15:22

the car. Bowman agrees.

15:25

He comes. He picks up Sheldon.

15:27

And once he picks up

15:29

Sheldon, Sheldon and

15:31

and Bowman, they start

15:34

looking for Britney, and they go to Ashley's

15:36

first. And Sheldon

15:38

refers to Ashley's as

15:40

a house and

15:42

they, you know, drive around

15:44

the area. And they don't see Britney,

15:46

they don't see the car. so

15:48

they head over to

15:50

grandma's.

15:51

And he says they they

15:54

just

15:54

drive by mOS. They don't see

15:57

his car there. So

15:59

he

15:59

says they decide to drive

16:02

back over to Ashley's tape one

16:04

more look. And

16:06

again, they don't see the car. Bowman

16:10

heads back to Sheldon's to

16:12

drop him off.

16:15

Bowman

16:17

drops him off and Sheldon

16:20

leaves his phone and Bowman's vehicle.

16:23

He forgets his phone. So

16:26

Bowman leaves and Sheldon

16:28

says that he

16:30

gets his car from impound

16:32

the following Thursday after the incident.

16:35

In in his statement, he says

16:37

this. And He

16:39

says when he gets the car from

16:41

from impound, the purse

16:43

has been dumped out, thrown

16:46

around. He says it's kind of shambles,

16:49

and the glove box has been gone through.

16:51

And Sheldon

16:53

says that he noticed the

16:55

windows. Two of the

16:57

windows were down and there's

16:59

snow inside the

17:01

car. And he mentions

17:03

that her laundry is still on the car, and I assume

17:05

this is the laundry that she

17:07

was doing at grandmas.

17:09

He mentions

17:11

not finding the phone

17:13

in the car,

17:14

but he does say that he

17:15

finds a couple SIM cards which

17:18

she later gives

17:20

to

17:21

Jess. An

17:22

officer asks Sheldon

17:25

about you

17:26

know, if he'd received any contact

17:29

or threats or communication

17:31

since this incident,

17:34

and Sheldon confirms that, yes, he has.

17:37

And he mentions that

17:39

somebody showed up at his house if the names

17:41

were redacted. somebody

17:44

shows up at his house and and

17:46

Sheldon refers to the person who has

17:48

shown up at his house as spun

17:50

out. And I think

17:51

I think he mentions in

17:53

his interview with you that

17:55

Eric showed up and and

17:57

was chewed up. Mhmm.

17:59

the

18:00

So the officer asks

18:03

Sheldon how he knew

18:05

Ashley's was the dope house

18:06

and and Sheldon explains that he

18:08

had brought grit over to

18:11

Ashley's

18:11

previously to

18:13

pay a small debt she

18:16

had. And I

18:18

think he mentions

18:18

this also in his interview with you,

18:21

that this is just prior

18:22

to Right. He says this

18:25

takes place on the twenty fourth was after Thanksgiving,

18:27

but the weekend of Thanksgiving, which we

18:29

know the twenty second -- Correct. -- that year

18:31

was when Thanksgiving fell. on

18:33

that Thursday. So this has been the twenty fourth,

18:36

which contradicts the last

18:37

time you saw Brit at Walmart on

18:39

the twenty third. because

18:40

Ashley says she saw Britney at Walmart

18:42

when she went to go get the headlight and this

18:44

whole interaction happens. Right. because on the

18:46

twenty third is what she says, but Sheldon saying, no, I

18:48

took her back over to her house, Ashley's

18:51

-- Mhmm. -- on the twenty fourth, and she

18:53

went inside to pay a debt, but then came out

18:55

with more drugs.

18:57

Yeah. He and Sheldon confirms that

19:00

Sheldon says that she went inside to pay this

19:02

small debt, but she she came

19:04

out with more

19:05

narcotics.

19:07

So That

19:08

definitely contradicts

19:09

what we've heard. The

19:10

the

19:11

interview kind of wraps up with

19:14

the officer asked Sheldon if he

19:16

had found Britney's phone or wallet

19:19

in the apartment or the

19:21

car since the incident

19:23

occurred and Sheldon says

19:25

no. He has not found either

19:27

of those

19:29

things. What sticks out

19:29

to me about that that statement by

19:31

him is when the car is impounded,

19:34

On the thirtieth, no one else gets into that

19:36

vehicle until Sheldon does when he retrieves it back from

19:38

the impound. So when he goes inside of it, he

19:40

looks in there, it's been

19:43

said

19:43

by Ashley that

19:45

Jessica

19:46

went and grabbed the phone

19:48

and took it to law enforcement, and she

19:50

turned it into law enforcement. But before she did,

19:52

she wiped it. Of course, I don't know

19:54

how you know that she wiped it before she turned it in

19:57

if you I don't know. I don't understand that statement. How do

19:59

you know that she wiped it? He doesn't

20:01

see the wallet. A purse is flipped upside

20:03

down. Things are scattered. Cell phones

20:05

also not in the house. along

20:07

with the wallet, so we're missing those two

20:09

items. If Sheldon

20:11

was responsible for Britney's disappearance,

20:13

and he was involved and he had

20:15

a role in this. It's hard for

20:17

me to understand as why put it

20:19

out there that you got into an argument

20:21

with Britney the morning of her disappearance. Like,

20:25

why would you put that? No one else needed no one

20:27

would have known that. The only person that witnessed it

20:29

was Thor. Right. And

20:31

Thor's name has also been brought into this as somebody who

20:33

they thought may have matched the mutton

20:35

chop look. Why

20:36

why

20:37

mention that at all period?

20:40

why bring more attention or give law enforcement to kind

20:43

of give another eyebrow razor like so you got

20:45

to an argument with her the day she

20:47

goes missing? why add that

20:49

information? If you and Thor were

20:51

working together and had a hand

20:53

involved with Britney's disappearance,

20:55

why voluntarily provide that information?

20:57

That just more like to me you're

20:59

providing the truth even when the truth

21:01

kind of might give the best

21:03

look, but it's

21:03

the truth. You

21:05

know, again, Sheldon told us, like,

21:07

yeah, we were kinda arguing and bickering, but,

21:09

like, it wasn't anything serious. And

21:12

in our interview with Thor. He says, yeah, they you know, I could tell that

21:14

there was some sort of argument going

21:16

on between the two, but it wasn't, like, they

21:18

were shouting or yelling. Like, I could just tell from

21:20

a distance and can see that

21:22

there there were in some sort of relationship

21:25

issue. But again, never physical

21:27

and wasn't there wasn't shouting going back

21:29

and forth. If Sheldon was

21:31

in that big of a you know, if Sheldon was in an

21:33

argument with her and there was

21:35

there

21:35

were odds, why give her the car? Why let her

21:37

go?

21:37

I think that's a good point, actually. This is how

21:39

you wanna be, and you're gonna, you know,

21:42

act like this, then, no, you can't take the

21:44

car. Mhmm. far as

21:46

the locations that they went

21:48

to, they went from Sheldon's to

21:50

Ashley's because Ashley's was a

21:52

place that she would purchase her

21:54

dough. He'd been there before from

21:56

ashes to go to Grandmas. Grandmas

21:59

back to

21:59

Ashleys. Ashleys back

22:01

home. that's exactly how Sheldon

22:03

recalls the time or recalls

22:05

the location or route that they

22:08

go. Something else he

22:10

mentions is after Britney leaves

22:12

his house with the car, she does

22:14

call him asking

22:16

about gas. His

22:18

story seems pretty accurate. the

22:20

fact that it's been three years, I mean,

22:22

he he's still pretty

22:25

consistent.

22:26

Yeah. I mean, this this

22:29

interview that he gives seems

22:31

to be very similar

22:33

to the testimony he he gave you.

22:35

And again,

22:36

even when it doesn't look good, you still provide information

22:38

because you're just being transparent. You you

22:40

do you have no reason why? And in my

22:42

mind, he's probably not even thinking about,

22:44

like, how this is gonna look back on him. He had

22:46

no idea that this would flip the way it

22:49

did. Right.

22:50

it does it say

22:51

anything about after

22:54

returning from going to

22:56

Ashley's grandma or Ashley's back to the house

22:58

and him receiving the cell phone

23:00

or him forgetting his cell

23:02

phone, let's talk about that is how does

23:04

that look? How does that play out?

23:06

Joe then says

23:06

that after Bowman drops

23:09

him off, without his cell

23:11

phone,

23:13

that

23:13

within five to ten

23:15

minutes, he estimates

23:16

that the the law enforcement

23:19

show up. And so,

23:21

you know, five to ten minutes after

23:23

Bowman drops him off, law enforcement

23:25

is there. And that to

23:27

me really tightens up

23:29

the timeline. That's very

23:32

soon. Okay. And do

23:33

we have a time step that we can put down right

23:35

now that says what time law enforcement

23:38

arrives to Sheldon? So

23:39

we do. We we know

23:42

that

23:43

one of the detectives reports

23:46

that it's sometime around

23:48

ten PM.

23:51

though So you know

23:52

they to Sheldon's. Right. That they arrived

23:54

to Sheldon's. So sometime around ten is what we use

23:56

for now. Right. Sometime around

23:59

ten.

23:59

the

23:59

we have more clarification on

24:02

when she actually leaves Sheldon

24:04

We do. So sometime between

24:07

three in five Sheldon estimates

24:10

that she leaves his his

24:13

house. I

24:13

wouldn't naturally assume based on

24:15

his interview with another one of

24:18

the detectors or one of

24:20

the officers handling the case, in his interview

24:22

with them, he tells them that that phone call for

24:24

the gas complaint, I

24:27

guess, is sometime around five

24:29

and six PM. Now Sheldon also

24:31

told us that that didn't that phone call didn't happen

24:33

too long after she leaves. So

24:35

if five and six, I would tend to gravitate

24:37

more towards her leaving Sheldon's house

24:40

around five

24:40

PM.

24:42

I agree. that seems,

24:45

you know, about

24:45

the logical time that you're gonna complain about

24:48

gas. You're not gonna complain an hour after

24:50

you're gone. You're gonna get in the

24:52

car, start driving and think. Why

24:54

the hell isn't there enough gas in the

24:56

car? Okay. So

24:56

Sheldon isn't really I mean, there

24:59

there aren't any aren't any red flags here from

25:01

what I'm seeing. Now

25:03

he doesn't provide a time on

25:05

that phone call requesting

25:08

Eric Bowman to come pick

25:10

him up and take him around to

25:12

find his vehicle and find Brittany?

25:15

Correct.

25:18

Let's go

25:18

to Eric Bowman's testimony.

25:20

and let's see what he has to say about the

25:23

thirtieth.

25:24

Howard

25:26

Bauchner: So

25:27

Eric tells police that the last

25:30

time he saw Britney was eleven

25:32

twenty four, and I

25:34

assumed that this was at the Thanksgiving.

25:37

that they they had after

25:38

Thanksgiving. Okay. So

25:41

she's been seen with

25:43

Sheldon on the twenty fourth multiple

25:45

witnesses now at this point.

25:47

Yeah. Okay.

25:48

that Sheldon

25:50

says he's been in contact

25:52

with Eric on that day for multiple

25:55

reasons. But he does say he

25:57

makes contact with him in regards to

25:59

having some

25:59

concerns. Take us through what he shares with

26:02

law enforcement about the

26:04

thirtieth. So

26:08

Bowman confirms that on

26:10

the thirtieth, Sheldon

26:14

tells him that Britney had

26:16

borrowed the car around five

26:18

PM. So this is

26:20

Bowman. This is Sheldon

26:23

telling Bowman. and Bowman is now

26:25

reporting it to the police officer.

26:27

Okay. So we

26:28

have that time stamp of, you

26:31

know, around five PM, Bernie's leaving

26:33

Sheldon's house. And

26:34

and Bowman

26:36

allows

26:38

the officer to

26:41

look at his phone and see

26:43

that Sheldon calls

26:44

him and asks him to pick him up

26:46

to go look for Brett at nine

26:49

forty two PM.

26:51

Okay. So now that's a hard time stamps. So

26:54

law enforcement sees the phone

26:56

call on Eric Bowman's

26:58

phone. correct. Calling Sheldon at nine

27:00

forty two PM. Mhmm.

27:01

Correct. Meanwhile, Sheldon

27:04

has

27:04

already been in contact with

27:07

Ashley and Eric. She never communicates actually

27:09

with Ashley on the day of, but we

27:11

know at this point he's already called

27:13

them multiple times. He's looking for Brit

27:16

he's trying her. She's not answering, so then

27:18

he eventually makes his contact with Eric Bowman

27:20

at nine forty two PM for the

27:23

ride. So let's say Eric

27:25

Bowman long did it take for him to get from

27:27

his house? To Sheldon's, we thought it

27:29

was anywhere between ten to fifteen minutes.

27:31

Right. I

27:32

would I would even, you know,

27:34

Be generous and stay fifteen

27:37

minutes. The call

27:37

is at nine forty two. Let's say he arrives, getting

27:40

his keys, getting on the car, driving,

27:42

stoplight, whatever. let's

27:44

say it's ten PM. Mhmm. So let's say

27:47

Eric Bowman is at Sheldon's by

27:49

ten PM. Sure. And

27:51

our in the process of leaving?

27:54

Yes. Okay. So

27:56

Bowman continues on talking

27:58

to the officer for his

27:59

interview, and he tells the

28:02

officer that the Facebook that

28:04

he had most recently

28:06

communicated with Britney on

28:08

was the the Wallace

28:10

and Britney account that

28:12

we have the download for, and

28:14

he wraps up the interview. The officer wraps

28:16

up the interview by asking

28:20

Bowman what he

28:22

thinks of the relationship

28:24

between Britney and Kjell than if

28:26

it was a good one. And both

28:28

Bowman and his cousin agree

28:29

that, yeah, they believed that it

28:31

was a good

28:32

relationship. Does

28:35

does Bowman's recollection of

28:37

where they went that night on the thirtieth match

28:40

Sheldon's. Yeah. Bowman says that they went

28:42

to Ashley's and and

28:44

grandmas. And and he

28:46

agrees that they didn't go into

28:48

either place. They just went by

28:50

looking for the r. Yeah. Mattches

28:52

I mean, pretty much matches up with what

28:54

he

28:54

told me,

28:55

what he told law enforcement was

28:57

Sheldon's story. Yeah. seem to be meshing up. One

28:59

thing you mentioned is he talks about

29:02

having conversation history or communication at

29:04

least with Britney on his on

29:06

her most recent Facebook, but when I

29:08

look at the download, I don't see any

29:10

conversation history between Eric

29:12

Bowman and

29:14

Brett. So I don't it's

29:16

just something to point out. I don't know if there's anything

29:18

to it, but when I go in there and I look at

29:20

what was provided, it's not in there. Right.

29:23

We don't see that. So

29:26

I guess, Sarah, the biggest takeaway

29:29

that sticks out to

29:31

me is nine PM call?

29:33

Absolutely.

29:33

really

29:34

Let's talk

29:36

about

29:36

Thor.

29:38

Let's talk

29:39

about Thor. Thor

29:45

was

29:45

the guy who was kinda

29:47

couchsurfing her at this time.

29:50

and he had asked Sheldon if he can stay

29:52

at his place for a few days to kind of get on

29:54

his feet.

29:56

Was

29:57

supposed to be At Sheldon's

29:59

house, the night of the thirtieth watching

30:02

Sheldon's daughter, can we

30:05

first confirm, that

30:08

Sheldon's daughter was there.

30:11

Well,

30:12

Sheldon did say in his testimony

30:15

that while Britney

30:17

is dying her hair that

30:19

morning of the thirtieth, he

30:21

goes to pick up his daughter.

30:23

So we do have that mention.

30:25

Alright. So his daughter is there.

30:28

What does Thor say about the thirtieth?

30:31

So

30:32

Thor's interview is

30:35

relatively short. and he he

30:37

confirms that he moved in with

30:40

Sheldon and Sheldon's

30:42

daughter, and then Britney moved

30:44

in. He says that Britney

30:46

and Sheldon spent a lot of time hanging

30:48

out in their bedroom. He

30:51

mentions that Britney

30:53

and Sheldon had a disagreement that

30:56

morning on the thirtieth.

30:58

And he said it was from

31:00

his perspective was about life choices.

31:03

And he says that

31:05

he knew that Brit

31:07

had used meth in that show

31:09

than he thought had

31:11

been clean. He

31:13

says there was he was

31:15

there on November thirtieth when

31:17

the police arrived. and he

31:20

confirms that law

31:22

enforcement arrived when

31:24

Sheldon had just,

31:26

you know, unback from

31:28

being out with Bowman, not not long

31:30

before they arrive. And,

31:32

really, that's about the

31:34

sent of his of

31:36

his interview. So Thor

31:39

also acknowledges the argument.

31:42

As Again, why would you do that if you guys were

31:44

involved and you were responsible? Why would you both willingly

31:46

provide that information? If

31:48

that's not something that you I mean, of course,

31:50

that's just not gonna look good. they're

31:52

just telling the truth. Yeah. I mean,

31:54

they're just rehashing the day

31:57

as the day happened. In

31:59

my eyes,

31:59

let's say if these guys were involved,

32:01

And, again, in my eyes, why

32:04

would you put that out there

32:06

if you both were controlling the scene? If

32:08

you both had a hand in this? Like, why

32:10

would you do that? It

32:12

seems to me if

32:14

you were

32:15

guilty of something arguing

32:18

that day would be something that you

32:21

would hide. Mhmm. And the fact that the nine

32:23

eleven call came in at eight fifty one

32:25

-- Mhmm. -- Sheldon's

32:27

requesting a ride at nine

32:29

forty two. Yes. that

32:31

just, I mean, is more

32:34

concrete information that improved by a

32:36

phone call that law enforcement saw with their

32:38

own eyes, Sheldon was home

32:40

at the timing of this incident taking

32:42

place. And and

32:44

not only is that confirmation by

32:46

law enforcement about Sheldon being home,

32:49

but we have confirmation from law

32:51

enforcement that the actual time

32:53

of the call is nine forty two

32:55

because Bowman gives his phone to the

32:57

officer and the officer sees

32:59

the times stamp.

33:04

Now

33:05

that we have Sheldon, Eric

33:08

Bowman, and Thor's testimony,

33:10

everything seems to be lining up.

33:12

It wasn't until we got this case file that I actually

33:15

found out about this next

33:17

section and this next interview.

33:19

And that is conversation

33:21

between Britney

33:23

and

33:24

Zachary B.

33:28

He was the guy that she was

33:30

talking to while he was inside.

33:32

He was serving some time.

33:35

She actually has three calls with

33:37

him on the thirtieth,

33:40

all

33:40

recorded obviously.

33:44

Talk to us about

33:45

those calls. So

33:48

the

33:51

statement starts off with

33:53

an interview. And

33:57

the

33:58

first call was

33:59

on eleven thirty at

34:02

sixty

34:02

and forty four hours. So that's

34:04

four forty four. and

34:06

it goes on to say you can hear Britney speaking and it

34:09

sounded like she was walking

34:12

outside. You can hear a

34:14

male's voice in kids in the

34:16

background. She started

34:17

talking about

34:20

how she dyed her hair black

34:22

and she had gotten up at approximately on

34:25

this date.

34:28

She stated that she was waiting for a lady

34:30

to call out a job was

34:32

getting a place. However,

34:34

she did not say where the place

34:37

was. In the

34:39

conversation, Britney talked about subject

34:41

by the name of pocket going to jail last night, which

34:43

I knew from information and when

34:45

I say I knew,

34:48

This is the the writing the statement, which

34:50

I knew from information prior

34:53

that the subject was

34:56

poly. Who

34:58

was Ashley's boyfriend at

35:00

the time? She talked about pockets,

35:02

old lady, and Eric, which I

35:05

believe to be Eric s. She

35:07

stated she

35:08

didn't need anything

35:12

and

35:12

said something about him doing some

35:16

revengeful bullshit.

35:16

I believe she was referring to

35:18

Eric S doing some revengeful bullshit

35:21

in that conversation. On

35:24

the same day, eleven thirty

35:28

eighteen, at seventeen twenty

35:30

six hours, Five

35:33

twenty six. A

35:35

second call was made to Britney, which

35:37

she stated I do everything

35:39

for you, Zach. I told you what

35:41

I'm that conversation, you could hear

35:44

music in the background and it sounded like

35:46

someone was in

35:47

a car driving. She

35:49

stated she had to go do laundry and

35:52

she had gotten into a fight with

35:54

Sheldon. She then started

35:56

speaking about a four year old and

35:58

talking about him not going back to work, which I believe

35:59

was speaking in reference

36:02

to Sheldon.

36:05

She went on to talk about

36:08

Sheldon's rent and the landlord. She then

36:10

made the comment to Zach that she

36:12

had to have him on

36:14

speaker phone. While she was driving, she had to be

36:16

careful because she had a paper played on the

36:18

car and stated that she

36:20

had his car, meaning

36:22

Sheldon's

36:22

Mercury. She

36:24

stated she did not know what kind of mercury it was and talked about

36:27

how Sheldon was off and on off

36:29

on that

36:30

date. I

36:32

assume that means work off on that date and that he did

36:35

not work on Fridays. She stated

36:37

to Zach that she was still

36:39

going to help him and

36:41

then started to describe how foggy it

36:43

was outside. She made

36:46

the comment ever since

36:48

this happened. It was unclear what

36:50

she

36:50

was speaking about. She then started

36:52

talking about how she did not have

36:55

a schedule for work and

36:57

she started speaking about work in them cutting her

36:59

hours. She was telling Zach that she was

37:01

going to call her boss

37:03

about the hours after

37:06

she gets off the phone with

37:08

him. She then made a comment that she wasn't

37:10

fucking around

37:12

like

37:12

Dane, unknown who that is.

37:13

It says it says Dane, but I'm wondering if that

37:15

was earth in reference to

37:17

Daniel. Yes. Agree. She

37:20

then started

37:20

talking about how she'd probably start a job

37:23

in Indiana on Monday. The

37:26

third on eleven

37:28

thirty eighteen at seventeen

37:30

forty two hours. Five

37:34

forty two? stated she was almost to

37:36

grandma's. And Zach said to

37:38

be careful and then he stated he

37:40

would call her after

37:42

his shower and that was

37:44

the last phone call Zach

37:46

had with her. I'm

37:48

curious

37:48

if and I don't think it says it in there,

37:50

but I doesn't mention a fourth

37:52

attempt to make the call after that phone that shower? No. In

37:54

this statement, it does not.

37:57

No. I wonder if

37:59

call

37:59

attempts because if he calls him on the

38:02

center phones off, I wonder if it was show I would imagine did the

38:04

jail call records, it would

38:07

show an attempt Okay.

38:09

Let's break that down,

38:10

those phone calls. First one is

38:13

the four forty four

38:16

PM. That phone

38:16

call at four forty four PM

38:19

They mentioned her

38:22

talking about pocket?

38:24

yeah Yes.

38:25

Ashley's guy, and then

38:28

also Eric. Yes.

38:29

yeah

38:32

Eric makes

38:32

a comment

38:33

about doing some some

38:35

sort of revengeful bullshit or a

38:38

revengeful shit to her?

38:39

Yes.

38:43

That's obviously again, another thing that sticks

38:45

out on the day of her

38:48

disappearance. She's

38:48

acknowledging that there's some friction

38:52

between her and Eric

38:53

s. Yeah. It does sound like that. And again,

38:55

she's confirming because

38:56

Ashley was the one who was trying to

38:58

kind of say pocket got picked up and

39:02

rest or she was questioning herself thinking it was on the

39:04

twenty eighth. Here is Britney saying

39:06

the night before, pocket got picked up,

39:09

on the thirtieth refer

39:10

referring to the twenty ninth. I

39:12

wonder what that revenge full

39:14

shit Eric's talking about. Her

39:18

wanting to get a divorce, Or

39:20

do you think

39:20

this could have been more about the

39:23

October

39:23

comment she makes to Sheldon where she

39:25

says something about how it was Eric the

39:27

entire time and and Sheldon's

39:30

like, what do you mean it

39:30

was him about the I think we we thought it

39:33

was about this the the

39:35

raid. What's

39:36

what are you trying to seek revenge for?

39:39

Britney

39:39

is saying it

39:42

herself, this isn't of an

39:44

opinion. This isn't us giving her

39:46

opinion on the relationship or

39:48

reaching again. While, unfortunately, listen

39:50

to the call.

39:51

This comment about doing some

39:54

revengeful bullshit, I think

39:56

that could be about either of those of

39:58

those things, you know, something happening

39:59

in October or, you

40:02

know, the the rate or

40:04

or the divorce

40:08

paperwork. I think it could easily

40:10

apply to any of

40:12

those things. And then

40:13

we have the comment where Sheldon is talking

40:15

to Eric, and Eric says last time

40:17

I heard from or he reached out

40:19

to her about that shit she had for him or something like

40:21

that? Yeah. Yes. Hey, we can clear

40:24

this up if we can

40:26

have a com station.

40:29

Let's move on

40:32

to five twenty six

40:34

PM. She's

40:36

now in the car. Yes.

40:37

Background music sounds

40:38

like she's driving.

40:40

She tells Zach

40:42

she's

40:43

going to her grandma's do

40:45

laundry and that she also got in a

40:47

fight with Sheldon, which we

40:48

know that that argument between her

40:50

and Sheldon, we kinda

40:52

know the context of that. Let's

40:53

talk about that last call

40:56

at five forty two

40:58

PM. She tells

40:58

Zach that she's almost a

41:01

grandma's. He does tell

41:02

her he'll call her back later on that evening

41:04

after he gets out of

41:05

the shower. Yes. I wonder

41:08

if

41:08

there's ever if if law enforcement,

41:10

if they were able to see if there was an attempt to

41:12

make that final call just to see if it

41:14

it did it ring? Did it not ring? What time

41:16

did it did did he attempt to make

41:18

that call? I'd be curious to just to

41:21

know the details, but she tells them

41:23

she's almost there. Now if she's

41:25

telling Zach, hey, I tell you everything I

41:27

do. Like, I'm going from

41:29

here to Grammas. If

41:32

she was

41:32

actually going somewhere else and didn't want

41:34

Zach Zachary to know at that moment, she

41:36

would tell him I'm almost to Grammas, but maybe

41:39

she's really going somewhere else. I mean, that's a

41:41

possibility is that you're explaining what you're

41:43

doing, but you're not you're taking kind of a

41:45

detour before you go.

41:48

and it only makes sense for him to say for her to say, hey, I'm almost there.

41:50

I gotta go because she's actually really arriving

41:52

almost to somewhere else. Mhmm.

41:55

Okay. So five

41:56

forty two, that's the last call. And

41:58

again, we don't have any time we

42:00

don't have any duration to show

42:02

if this was a fifteen minute call,

42:04

twenty minute call, you pointed to me that

42:06

certain facilities have different

42:08

restrictions. And then, you know, so we don't know

42:10

if this was a fifteen twenty or ten minute

42:12

call, but Right.

42:14

At five forty two, she has that call and

42:16

tells Zach Go Integramas. Okay.

42:18

I think also something else

42:20

that was important there is the weather has always

42:23

been, you know, a a bone of

42:25

contention. Some people say it's

42:28

It's foggy. Some people say it wasn't foggy, it was clear. Well, he

42:30

or she is here, right here, stating

42:33

it was very

42:36

foggy. In her own words. Yeah. In her own words, and there we it.

42:38

Right. So that's basically the

42:40

where it

42:41

ends. Is there's these

42:44

calls again, we didn't have these before. So being able to see the time

42:46

stamp, we can kinda say, okay. We know that she

42:48

was talking to him while she was at Sheldon's.

42:51

she talks when she leaves, and then she's talking

42:54

before she leaves or arrives to your

42:56

grandma's, like she does say,

42:57

or somewhere

43:00

else. we

43:01

know that she's obviously trying to get some more drugs we have Dutchy

43:03

telling us, yeah, she called me and told

43:05

her I couldn't do it. you

43:08

don't see Britney telling that to Zachary b,

43:10

of course. Right. Right. Okay.

43:13

Since

43:13

that's

43:14

where ends with Zach,

43:17

I wanna move

43:18

on to grandma's house and the

43:20

testimony as we gather from there.

43:22

So

43:34

The statement

43:35

statement we

43:36

have from grandma is pretty

43:40

limited. And

43:42

that's not because of redaction. That's

43:44

just because her statement

43:46

is is pretty limited.

43:49

And what we hear from her is

43:51

that she confirms that me

43:54

did come

43:54

over to do laundry. And

43:58

she says it was earlier in the

43:59

afternoon or

44:00

evening, possibly around

44:03

eighteen hundred hours. So

44:05

that's you know, around six o'clock on the

44:08

thirtieth. She says she was there

44:09

doing laundry, and she says Britney

44:11

was accompanied by a

44:14

white male that she had never met or seen

44:16

before. She described the white male

44:18

as being

44:18

five six to 58A

44:23

thin build, short blonde hair, and

44:25

rather bushy mutton chop

44:28

style side

44:32

And that's really about

44:34

all we have from grandma.

44:38

Okay. So I wanna

44:39

talk about just his build for a second.

44:41

This is how many

44:44

days after the

44:46

thirtieth. Just just eight days

44:48

later. Eight days, this is

44:49

the freshest her memory is gonna be

44:51

from what she recalls from

44:54

her members. thin build, one shot

44:58

sideburns.

44:58

I would say that would exclude

45:00

Sheldon in

45:02

in back for way. It just doesn't fit

45:04

his statue. It doesn't fit his stature. It doesn't it doesn't

45:06

fit Chuck's stature

45:08

the stature either either. Okay. So

45:10

and then around the time is six PM is when she

45:12

says she's arriving, which if you

45:15

look at the jail call, and

45:17

you look at the time that she, you know, we know that

45:19

she's leaving around five, this would

45:22

make sense. But again, I think you

45:24

have to

45:24

give that room a grace of some

45:26

twenty,

45:26

thirty minute window because time frames are are unique

45:29

to everybody. Ten minutes from me and, you

45:31

know, I think back about

45:34

it. I just think with it being around six, there's flexibility. That's all I'm

45:36

trying to say. And we

45:38

don't have any other testimonies from

45:42

Grammy's. This

45:43

is about it. It it her testimony is is very limited. And

45:45

again, like I said, it's not because

45:47

of redaction. It's just limited.

45:51

Yeah. It's it's limited. Okay.

45:54

Okay. We don't

45:54

have any other testimony

45:56

from anybody else in the

45:57

household

45:59

at that

46:00

time. But law enforcement, they are made aware

46:02

of who is present in the

46:04

household, though, eventually. Right? Eventually,

46:09

Okay. So let's

46:12

move on to after

46:14

Britney

46:14

leaves grandma's house. We

46:17

know that she heads Northeast

46:19

and

46:20

eventually makes her

46:22

way down to Orkman Road.

46:24

We

46:24

have the crash. Mhmm.

46:27

Let's go

46:28

to John Cassard's

46:30

testimony.

46:36

We have a

46:36

we have testimony from the

46:40

elderly gentleman first

46:42

home that Britney goes to. And

46:44

he says that

46:49

Britney shows up at his

46:52

at

46:52

his house and gives

46:56

her a

46:58

sweatshirt. because she has short sleeves on and

47:00

she's there because she

47:02

says that she

47:03

had a crash,

47:05

car crash,

47:06

and

47:08

he says that she refers to somebody with

47:10

her as his as her

47:14

boyfriend. He says

47:16

that

47:16

she had

47:18

called nine eleven and then handed the phone to

47:20

him to give dispatch the

47:22

directions or address to his

47:25

house. he says that he doesn't remember if he

47:27

talked to a man or woman,

47:30

and he he

47:32

says that He

47:34

wasn't sure if she actually

47:36

called nine eleven or just said

47:38

she had. And so I wonder if

47:40

that part is referring to

47:44

when she uses

47:46

his Because

47:46

she uses the cell phone. Yeah.

47:49

The cell phone. The officer says that he checked

47:51

the call log and found that there were

47:54

actually three calls recorded to nine

47:56

eleven on

47:58

that night. from from John's. One at

47:59

twenty fifty, so eight fifty

48:02

PM. One at twenty

48:06

fifty six. that would be

48:08

eight fifty six PM, and one at twenty one twenty two,

48:10

which is nine twenty two.

48:14

We know that he

48:15

that John mentions she

48:18

has scratches, abrasions

48:20

on her feet, and her

48:23

arms. John, in this statement, John goes

48:25

on to give consent

48:27

to the officer to

48:30

search his home. And the officer says it

48:33

was very clean, not cluttered at all.

48:35

He did not locate anything

48:38

unusual, suspicious or anything

48:40

that could possibly be related. He

48:42

says it's to be noted that

48:44

John is an elderly man

48:46

who walks with a cane and is currently on

48:48

dialysis, he is not able to make it upstairs or

48:50

to the basement of the residence.

48:54

and the officer closes his statement by saying he checked all

48:56

areas of the home.

48:59

So we know

49:00

phone calls are now around fifty,

49:03

fifty one. There's

49:05

that call. She

49:06

ends up leaving abruptly middle

49:08

of the phone call as he

49:10

trying to give directions and takes

49:13

off. Okay. Obviously, he doesn't mention anything

49:15

about seeing another individual

49:18

around there were discussions about

49:19

how Britney attempted to use his cell phone

49:21

first. And he had old school

49:24

flip phone as

49:26

what Christina how she

49:28

described it. She could see that

49:30

Britney attempts to call drama and

49:32

then attempts to call 911 and

49:34

those aren't going through so he eventually

49:36

changes the device to

49:39

the landline. She takes

49:41

off

49:41

mid phone call and

49:43

we head over to the

49:45

neighbor's house, the young kid's house. I've

49:47

walked that distance from

49:48

John's to the young boy's house. I

49:49

mean, you're there in a matter of you can be

49:51

there in a

49:54

minute. you can be there very quickly.

49:56

Let's see

49:58

what he has to

50:00

he would yes to say

50:02

say. Oh,

50:05

the young man at that

50:08

second home has interviewed and he

50:10

states on the night of the

50:12

incident he was home

50:13

alone. He relays

50:16

to

50:17

the officer that

50:19

he sees a

50:22

female now in the backyard.

50:29

While he sees a female

50:31

in the backyard. He says that someone

50:34

else is knocking

50:36

on the front door. He

50:40

witnesses the female walking

50:42

around to the front of the

50:44

house, looking in the

50:46

windows while the other person was knocking

50:48

on the door. He doesn't

50:50

make any contact with

50:53

the female, and he says

50:55

that she's wearing a coat

50:58

and he

51:00

is scared. He's home alone.

51:04

So he goes into

51:06

another room of the house

51:08

and kind of hides

51:12

while he makes a phone

51:14

call to his

51:16

mother. That

51:18

changes things. So one

51:20

thing he says is that he's in

51:23

the kitchen and here's a

51:25

knock on the door. Keep

51:28

in mind, the back sliding door is it's a

51:30

glass door. Mhmm. he hears a but

51:32

then he hears footsteps on the

51:35

back. Okay. So

51:37

they're both there.

51:39

And he also observes her making her way around to the

51:41

front of the house. He then gets frightened because

51:43

of the situation like he's easy

51:45

young kid. And again,

51:48

you kinda a knock on the front door hear on front hear these

51:50

and see a female, and you're I would be,

51:52

obviously, like, what the hell is going

51:54

on? He makes a phone call, and

51:56

mom mom

51:58

tells him, because we've talked to mom before she

51:59

tells him, hey, look outside. Mhmm.

52:02

See if there's a

52:03

car there. Mhmm. Brittany's

52:05

made her

52:06

way around to the front of the house.

52:11

He goes on to describe the female

52:13

as having dark hair wearing

52:15

a big green coat, he

52:17

calls

52:17

it, and acting

52:19

strange. And when

52:22

he looks outside at mom's

52:24

insistence. He says there's

52:26

no there's no car in the driveway.

52:28

He he does say here

52:30

though that there was a light on

52:32

inside the house and he makes eye

52:35

contact with the

52:38

girl, the

52:38

woman, and the yard. and

52:42

he was still scared.

52:44

So he stays where he

52:46

is. And Mom phones the

52:47

neighbor friend to come up

52:50

Correct. Correct. Okay. And

52:52

he's waiting for the guy to come for the neighbor

52:54

friend. Okay.

52:55

Yeah.

52:58

Pause.

53:21

What does that mean

53:23

though? Like, what

53:24

does that tell us?

53:27

If if Britney is there at

53:29

the young kids house, and she's on the

53:31

backside. This is the second time

53:34

I wanna repeat the second time she's gone

53:36

to the back of the house and not

53:38

the front. and

53:40

and knowing that there's a knock on the front of the

53:42

house, is she going to the back because

53:44

she's trying to stay out of law

53:46

enforcement or anybody else's Like, I I'm

53:49

trying to understand why I go to the back of the house like you did with John's. because if she's fearful

53:51

of the guy okay. Well, that makes sense.

53:53

But why if he's

53:55

knocking on front, and she makes her way to the

53:57

front. I think going to to John's when

53:59

she went to John's and she goes to the back,

54:02

that tells me that she's trying to stay

54:04

out of out of

54:06

you of of the main road. That makes

54:08

me think she's scared of

54:10

somebody because at that point, she hasn't called law

54:12

enforcement yet. So that

54:14

makes me think she is scared and trying to stand

54:16

a view of somebody. But then we

54:18

go go across the

54:20

street and We

54:22

know now that law enforcement has been

54:24

called. So her

54:26

going to the back

54:29

seems strange to me

54:31

because when you walk across the street,

54:33

you're approaching the front

54:35

of the house. So

54:38

to me, the only reason I

54:40

can think that you're going to go around

54:42

to the back is again to stay

54:44

out of

54:45

view of somebody, whether

54:47

that's law enforcement or whomever

54:50

is is with her,

54:52

I don't I don't know. But it

54:54

doesn't I I don't

54:57

think it If there is this

54:59

second person knocking

55:02

or just in

55:04

in the area of the house, in the vicinity

55:06

of

55:06

the house, it doesn't

55:08

seem like she wouldn't know

55:10

that because that that's a

55:13

pretty close proximity

55:14

to be.

55:16

And Is she going

55:17

to hear this person, this other

55:20

person, knock on that

55:22

door? I mean,

55:24

you're out in

55:24

the middle of nowhere or not? Yes. city,

55:26

you're at the middle of nowhere. I mean, it's country.

55:28

Right. And you hear not. There's no environmental sounds. So

55:32

she makes her way

55:33

to the front.

55:35

I've I've I've I've

55:38

been trying wrestling with

55:40

that thought. Is this premeditated or is

55:42

this a a heat of

55:43

the moment? situation

55:45

that unfolded.

55:50

The fact that he's at the front of the house

55:52

and that The young kid says he hears the knock and also hears fur you

55:54

know, footsteps on the back patio

55:56

porch and he sees her move her way

55:58

around to the front of

55:59

the house. I

56:02

wanted like, I wanna bank on the fact that

56:04

he would know the difference between a

56:06

front door, you know, a wooden door, a knock.

56:09

and then

56:10

a glass window for a

56:12

back sliding door

56:14

knock. You know, as the

56:16

house

56:16

designed to set up, like, it's not

56:18

like this his different

56:20

multi floor level house. It's right there.

56:22

So I wanna say he's pretty accurate with his

56:25

his him hearing the knock on the front, we're

56:27

then hearing the steps in the back, and In

56:30

that

56:31

moment, you know, to play

56:33

devil's advocate, I think in

56:36

that moment, he's

56:36

scared. And

56:38

your fear takes over, you

56:40

know, your maybe your

56:44

best sense

56:46

you know. And so is it

56:48

really the back door he's

56:50

hearing? Is

56:51

it the front? Is

56:53

it, you know, you're

56:54

concentrating on your fear and staying safe,

56:57

so I can

56:59

see either scenario.

57:03

we're going to go with with the

57:06

the scenario that he puts forth

57:08

here and somebody does knock

57:10

on the back. This

57:12

is confirmation that

57:14

there is a

57:15

second person either

57:18

following along or following

57:20

her.

57:21

Let's say, let's

57:23

play that scenario.

57:26

Mystery man and Britney,

57:28

they get into the accident. and

57:30

they flee.

57:31

I've always felt like man, that

57:33

was a complete idiotic move for you to

57:35

go to Grammas if this was

57:37

a premeditated situation. never

57:40

made sense to me. Let's say they

57:42

leave, and there there's two two different

57:44

ways that they can leave. They both scurry

57:47

out the car freaking up because there's an accident and

57:49

they possibly have drugs on them and they're trying to get

57:51

away from the scene and they go

57:54

either in the opposite

57:56

direction together or they

57:58

go the same direction together.

58:00

I'm still wondering why her shoes

58:02

are off and why she's got bloody arms and or

58:04

blood around her arms and her feet. you know,

58:06

we already know that she's probably scurrying across that Orchard or that

58:09

that crop field. And as she's going across,

58:11

it's all been cut. So

58:14

if she's running and she falls and she, you know,

58:16

that could be all self inflicted.

58:18

Sure. She can go through

58:20

that little forest area across from

58:23

the elderly man's house and making her way through there. There's the arms.

58:25

There's that makes sense to me. I've

58:27

been out there. My hands are bleeding, walking through

58:29

that stuff as well. If

58:32

she goes to John's house and she's making that

58:34

phone call, why isn't

58:36

the guy present?

58:39

I asked you that question. I said, as a female, I mean,

58:41

we don't know that they don't know that John's announcement,

58:43

man. Maybe they do. But

58:46

having any show up without shoes on,

58:48

cuts on her arms and

58:49

feet, her presenting herself by herself

58:52

seems that that that comes off

58:54

differently in my

58:56

opinion for girl versus having a guy next to her. Yeah. I

58:58

think it comes off much less threatening to

59:00

the person you're

59:02

approaching. And and

59:05

for the, you know, for the the female approaching, you think

59:07

you're thinking there's, you know,

59:10

maybe a better chance

59:12

of me getting.

59:14

What

59:14

would you do? What would you do? You this

59:16

isn't you're not in the city. Remember, keep in mind, you're

59:18

out in the middle of like, it's -- Yeah. --

59:20

there's very little around. Guy comes up to your girl, comes up to your

59:22

door with, you know, some some cuts

59:25

and and it's almost nine o'clock at

59:27

night. It's freezing. She's got nothing

59:30

on. besides I mean, shoes no shoes or or a jacket on,

59:32

no socks. And there's a guy next to

59:34

her, are you gonna open that door? No.

59:37

now

59:38

No. When I went back to

59:39

John's house and his grandson was watching the house

59:42

as they were in the process because John had

59:44

passed away, The kids

59:46

got

59:46

a doorbell camera secured

59:48

camera right there and thinking man.

59:50

If at the young kid's house

59:52

or at John's house, if if

59:55

There's a ring doorbell or a nest or

59:57

whatever -- Yeah. --

1:00:00

man.

1:00:02

Yeah. So

1:00:04

if they do go in

1:00:06

the opposite direction. Maybe it is Britney by herself and

1:00:08

she makes her way to the back of the house and he goes

1:00:10

the opposite direction, maybe down the back side

1:00:12

of that dirt road of workman. Maybe he just

1:00:14

naturally makes his way back down towards

1:00:17

Fawn River because That's where he's gonna

1:00:19

need to get picked up if he is calling anybody for

1:00:22

help. So

1:00:26

they end up eventually coming to the young kid's

1:00:29

house regardless.

1:00:30

And the young kid's saying here's

1:00:32

the door the knock on the front and her

1:00:35

on the back, Does she realize he's now made it

1:00:38

there? Does Britney know that he's there?

1:00:40

Does Britney hear the knock and then, like, makes her

1:00:42

way to front. Like,

1:00:44

I think you hear the knock. And

1:00:46

so she makes her way to the front. And

1:00:48

then as

1:00:49

they're leaving,

1:00:52

she glances inside, and and they make eye contact her

1:00:54

and

1:00:54

the kid. And she he says

1:00:56

she proceeds the head back to

1:00:59

towards the road. on Frank you

1:01:01

know, Found River. In my

1:01:02

opinion, they don't head back towards the crash site. They

1:01:04

don't head back to John's, obviously. They have to

1:01:07

get off the road quick enough

1:01:10

from the neighbor friend to be sent down and which isn't hard.

1:01:12

There's a field literally that there's another

1:01:14

field right across the the road from, you

1:01:16

know, surrounding these houses. So they

1:01:18

could have not have gotten off the main road

1:01:20

at a site because they now

1:01:22

know cops run their way. That

1:01:24

that bags

1:01:25

the question, if this

1:01:28

was not premeditated, if this

1:01:30

is not a crime,

1:01:34

why Why is she seeking help

1:01:36

via nine eleven? Why

1:01:38

are you not calling

1:01:42

a friend? uncle, you

1:01:45

know, uncle, Sheldon,

1:01:48

somebody

1:01:52

else, why Is

1:01:52

it possible she just doesn't remember the number? Let me she remembers the

1:01:54

grandma's. Sure. I mean, she

1:01:56

remembers grandma's. And if

1:01:58

this this

1:02:00

other

1:02:00

person, this guy is with you.

1:02:03

Does he not have a

1:02:04

phone? Does he not remember any numbers? I

1:02:06

mean, she calls nine eleven.

1:02:08

But the only place that they

1:02:10

have is choice to make a selection of them,

1:02:12

you know, where they could choose what number they're calling.

1:02:16

is from John's cell

1:02:18

phone, which she's supposed to be by

1:02:20

herself, and she calls the

1:02:22

one number

1:02:24

she remembers. So is it better

1:02:25

to call nine eleven?

1:02:27

What

1:02:29

do you do? there's

1:02:31

this car sitting there. What are you

1:02:33

gonna

1:02:34

do? If it's me

1:02:35

and I'm

1:02:37

hiding or I maybe

1:02:42

not hiding, but doing this

1:02:44

behind my boyfriend's back.

1:02:46

And I have his car, but I also

1:02:48

have a warrant

1:02:49

I'm sorry. I'm

1:02:51

gonna take I'm

1:02:53

gonna

1:02:53

take the the leap and

1:02:55

I'm gonna call my boyfriend

1:02:58

and, you know, Take

1:03:02

whatever happens after rather

1:03:04

than calling nine eleven, If I

1:03:06

wasn't fear for

1:03:07

my life, I'm calling nine eleven whether I

1:03:09

have a warrant or

1:03:12

not. It

1:03:12

puts a spin on

1:03:14

what we've thought

1:03:16

and and formulated theories on

1:03:19

up to this point. If

1:03:22

he is with

1:03:22

her and they are leaving, Right?

1:03:25

And they're they're exiting the situation and they're trying to

1:03:27

get out of the

1:03:29

Where do they

1:03:31

get picked up? and where did

1:03:33

they go? I imagine they're returning to where

1:03:35

they possibly where she obviously picked them

1:03:37

up from, but where they

1:03:40

came from. and who was there to assist

1:03:42

them with picking them

1:03:44

up. I just I have a

1:03:45

really strong feeling that

1:03:47

the get picked up on Watt Road. I

1:03:50

believe he

1:03:50

probably has a cell phone.

1:03:52

So she

1:03:53

doesn't have her cell

1:03:55

phone on her. I mean, there's a possibility that

1:03:57

he the two

1:04:00

of them

1:04:01

linked back up and it's at

1:04:03

it's in front of the kids' house he's

1:04:06

telling her, like, let's go. Like,

1:04:08

I they already called, like, let's go and they they

1:04:10

may take off and they had

1:04:12

towards what road, back on front

1:04:14

of her, back to what road, down

1:04:16

to what road, you know, get out of

1:04:18

sight, get

1:04:20

away from the

1:04:20

situation, comps are coming. Do

1:04:23

you think

1:04:23

then

1:04:25

if that's

1:04:26

the case and that's the

1:04:28

plan after, you know, they they head

1:04:31

out, why

1:04:32

why was there a call to nine eleven?

1:04:34

If you're not gonna

1:04:36

stick around. And

1:04:38

if you're you are gonna take off and

1:04:40

go, you know, down wherever. You

1:04:43

know, for her

1:04:45

to say my boyfriend the car. We already know. Let's

1:04:47

not let's not Sheldon. Yeah. No. Or if that's what we're

1:04:49

gonna, you know, for what we're working with,

1:04:51

if it's not Sheldon, I

1:04:53

think that she's trying to get the car back

1:04:55

to Shell. That's the best

1:04:57

way she knows how to do it. Why not call

1:04:59

him though? Maybe she just doesn't have his number.

1:05:01

She doesn't remember it. to her

1:05:03

phone, her phone's in the car, or he has

1:05:05

her phone. And

1:05:06

the fact that the law the

1:05:08

other officer said that her purse was

1:05:11

looked upside down and the car was a mess. I that

1:05:13

tells me that they were looking for

1:05:15

something. Law enforcement looked

1:05:16

into the glove box, looked at the red

1:05:18

tracing and everything. Law enforcement going through, dumping your purse upside down, going

1:05:20

through stuff. I don't think law enforcement's gonna

1:05:22

do that. No. A great was

1:05:26

just gonna say. I think they would have opened

1:05:28

the glove box gun, the registration, but I don't think

1:05:30

they would have pulled stuff out and rifle

1:05:32

through it.

1:05:34

And again, there's no screaming. No

1:05:36

one's saying that they heard anything.

1:05:37

No one's saying that they and the

1:05:39

young guy I mean, the neighbor friend comes

1:05:41

down the road he gets out,

1:05:43

he goes inside the house with the kid, checks on

1:05:46

him, walks outside with him, looks in three, you know,

1:05:48

with the flashlight because they kind of peered through the

1:05:50

woods a little bit next to their

1:05:52

house, and he, you know, exits

1:05:54

heads down to workman sees the crash scene, approaches

1:05:56

it, sits there till law enforcement arrives.

1:05:58

And never and never sees

1:06:00

and

1:06:02

anybody walking on the road when

1:06:04

he comes to the

1:06:06

the young man's house or when he

1:06:08

leaves,

1:06:08

he never sees anybody.

1:06:11

Okay. So now that

1:06:12

we know how the whole situation unfolds at

1:06:14

the young kids' house, what

1:06:16

time does law enforcement arrive? I

1:06:18

wanna know more about the dispatch log.

1:06:21

Okay.

1:06:21

So the detective working on the

1:06:24

case requested the the

1:06:26

actual call times from

1:06:28

central dispatch. and we have recorded

1:06:30

here that the first call

1:06:32

from

1:06:32

John's comes

1:06:34

in at

1:06:36

twenty fifty one. So eight fifty one PM is the

1:06:39

official recorded time. Okay. At

1:06:41

twenty one twenty

1:06:44

four, nine twenty four. A call comes in saying

1:06:46

that the the car has

1:06:48

been located on Fawn River

1:06:51

and Workman. So

1:06:53

though This

1:06:54

is the call of

1:06:56

the young

1:06:57

man's

1:06:58

mother's friend who

1:07:00

came to check on him.

1:07:03

and

1:07:03

make sure. Yeah. Has everything been

1:07:05

there? Yeah. Yeah. That has been there.

1:07:07

At nine

1:07:10

twenty four. at

1:07:10

nine forty three PM.

1:07:13

The note here states

1:07:16

that

1:07:16

the female was

1:07:18

last scene walking southwest

1:07:22

of the

1:07:23

first collars home. So

1:07:25

that would be

1:07:28

John's home. At ten o three,

1:07:30

we have

1:07:31

Sturges police being

1:07:32

sent to the residents of

1:07:35

the first call. So

1:07:37

that's ten o three PM that they're

1:07:40

eventually dispatched out

1:07:42

to

1:07:42

the johns

1:07:44

jobs. At

1:07:46

ten o three, are they

1:07:48

arriving at ten o three? They're being sent

1:07:51

I just wanna be clear. Nope. The

1:07:53

officers are being in

1:07:56

reference to that to that call where she makes

1:08:00

contact. Now rewind even

1:08:01

further. At nine twenty four,

1:08:03

that call is being

1:08:05

made by the friend, the husband

1:08:08

friend, whatever, down the road. That comes and checks on

1:08:10

the boy. So by the time he

1:08:12

gets there, So the nine

1:08:14

eleven calls at eight fifty one. And then

1:08:16

by the time before

1:08:17

nine, she's at the young

1:08:19

kids house

1:08:19

and then

1:08:22

mother calls neighbor nine forty three. That

1:08:24

phone calls made

1:08:26

by

1:08:26

Nine forty three. says

1:08:32

that the

1:08:33

female was last

1:08:35

seen walking southwest

1:08:39

of the the address of the first first caller. It does

1:08:41

not say who made this

1:08:44

phone call or where

1:08:46

this phone call is coming

1:08:48

from. This

1:08:49

may be officers

1:08:52

speaking

1:08:52

speaking

1:08:54

between between between themselves.

1:08:57

So if it's ten o three, it's reported that they're being sent out to

1:08:59

the residence, John's

1:09:04

they

1:09:04

get there. We still don't have a time

1:09:06

of arrival yet on when they arrive to John's? No.

1:09:12

how long? How much time do we

1:09:14

give them? It's foggy out. It's bad weather. You

1:09:18

know, weather conditions Okay.

1:09:20

Fifteen. Now once they

1:09:22

arrive on-site, we know

1:09:24

the law enforcement

1:09:27

goes through the vehicle. They find an

1:09:29

address. They figure out who's the owner of the vehicle. Sheldon's

1:09:31

buying it from an uncle. Then they

1:09:33

send someone to

1:09:36

his residence. we've already talked about their

1:09:38

testimonies. They were all present. Well, at least Sheldon and Thor along with

1:09:42

Sheldon's daughter were present. Eric Bowman shows up in law enforcement's already

1:09:44

there. I wanna go through the

1:09:46

timeline to make sure to

1:09:49

see if Sheldon's

1:09:52

time of that he's allowed to

1:09:54

be able to make that commute between all three destinations and back makes

1:09:56

sense. and

1:09:59

and and fits in the timeline.

1:09:59

Okay. So Right.

1:10:02

Yeah. I gotcha. Let's do

1:10:04

this.

1:10:04

today

1:10:07

We we established earlier

1:10:08

that when he calls Eric

1:10:10

Bowman for the ride, the time

1:10:12

was nine forty two and that was

1:10:14

proven by a phone call made on Eric's

1:10:17

are receiving phone call from Eric's cell phone that law

1:10:19

enforcement saw. Got it. By the time he arrives

1:10:21

to Sheldon's, we gave it we

1:10:23

started ten PM if

1:10:26

from Sheldon's to Ashley's apartment complex or apartments in Village

1:10:27

Manor, I've driven

1:10:30

that I mean,

1:10:32

it's right across.

1:10:34

I'm thinking three to five minutes. Yeah. Alright.

1:10:37

So

1:10:39

ten o five. They said

1:10:41

they didn't they didn't go inside. They didn't go

1:10:42

to the door. They didn't go knock. They were just there. They drove by. They're

1:10:45

gonna leave and go back out

1:10:47

to Grammis from Village Manor. to

1:10:51

grandmas, that's approximately

1:10:53

fifteen minutes. So now we're

1:10:55

at ten twenty. Now we

1:10:57

need to add another five

1:10:59

to ten minutes because remember there was overheating going on in the vehicle. I

1:11:02

don't know where those stops were made or when

1:11:04

they chose to

1:11:06

let the car sit for a second, but five

1:11:08

to ten minutes, we're looking at

1:11:10

ten, twenty five, ten thirty. And

1:11:12

and also taking into

1:11:14

account that it's very foggy.

1:11:16

very foggy

1:11:17

Gotta go back to village manager. From

1:11:19

grandma's. Yeah. Which we said

1:11:21

was fifteen. So we're

1:11:23

not ten be

1:11:26

five. I don't know any more

1:11:28

overheating experiences with the with the truck

1:11:30

that they that they dealt with, but

1:11:33

from village manner. You let maybe a two to three minutes

1:11:35

go by of driving around where you know. And again, they're not

1:11:37

driving in this apartment complex

1:11:39

where there's multiple obviously

1:11:43

multiple apartments, but they're not driving around the entire parking lot.

1:11:45

Sheldon knows where to go. To be fair,

1:11:47

we'll even give them, you

1:11:49

know,

1:11:49

five minutes. So it's

1:11:52

ten fifty. head back

1:11:53

to Sheldon's, it's ten fifty five. So it would

1:11:55

be fair to say,

1:11:56

so it will be fair to say

1:11:59

sounds home Sheldon's home between the

1:12:00

time of probably ten fifty and eleven ten. Depending

1:12:02

on how many times they had to sit and park

1:12:06

or wait and conditions of the road. Oh,

1:12:08

yeah. I

1:12:09

think that's very fair.

1:12:11

And this reversed

1:12:12

to with law enforcement says

1:12:15

at

1:12:15

ten o three, they're sending

1:12:17

somebody out to John's house. So he count for twenty minutes there, ten

1:12:19

twenty three. They're

1:12:20

there, and they get to

1:12:22

the scene, they see the car,

1:12:26

car Then they

1:12:28

have to figure out whose card is, there's

1:12:30

the phone

1:12:30

calls being made. So let's say

1:12:33

another ten minutes pass it by. Ten

1:12:35

thirty

1:12:35

three. They

1:12:37

eventually say, okay. Well,

1:12:39

this is Sheldon. They

1:12:42

try to make contact. they

1:12:44

we know that they have Sheldon's phone. Right?

1:12:46

Because Sheldon tells us he provides it to them. So

1:12:49

they should have the phone call

1:12:51

that they made to Sheldon. at

1:12:54

that time. If they're at if they're

1:12:56

at Sheldon's car though and it's by ten

1:12:58

thirty, ten thirty five around there that they're

1:13:01

realizing the identity and the owner of

1:13:03

this vehicle and they've already tried placing a call to him. They're

1:13:05

trying to get over there. They eventually

1:13:07

send local PD to

1:13:10

his house. How

1:13:11

long that takes? Again, I'm just

1:13:13

given a

1:13:13

grace period of maybe ten minutes,

1:13:15

five minutes around there, like, depending on

1:13:17

where local PD is at, having the the resources they have.

1:13:19

So if it's ten forty five, they

1:13:22

get there. It's close enough

1:13:24

in my opinion where I'm like,

1:13:26

it seems to fit. I know

1:13:28

for Sheldon, we said

1:13:30

he would be there anywhere between ten fifty to eleven ten. Yeah. I mean, we're

1:13:32

a few minutes here and

1:13:34

there, and that was us adding

1:13:37

some decent amount of time to Sheldon's route

1:13:39

with the car having to stop. And the time takes Eric

1:13:42

Bowman to get to

1:13:45

Sheldens.

1:13:45

I mean, it seems to fit. But and and again Sheldon and Eric were

1:13:47

both saying, like, as soon as I got dropped off, like, it wasn't long. They

1:13:49

were there maybe five,

1:13:51

ten minutes. So they're

1:13:55

arriving while Sheldon has just gotten

1:13:57

back. And again, what's his con what

1:13:59

did the

1:13:59

clothes look like? What did the

1:14:02

clothes look like? Does he have

1:14:04

any scratches. Does he have there there

1:14:06

is knuckles red. Does he have any scratches on his face? because we can damn sure believe we

1:14:08

can put up

1:14:11

a fucking fight. So I

1:14:13

would think that there would be

1:14:15

some

1:14:16

sort of markings on him. But again Thor's

1:14:18

there, his daughter's there, Sheldon's there, Eric comes

1:14:20

back phones

1:14:22

in his hand. They have the

1:14:24

call history showing

1:14:25

Eric, you know, Sheldon requesting the ride, saying everything

1:14:27

seems to

1:14:27

fit so far.

1:14:31

Next time next

1:14:33

time on

1:14:35

hide

1:14:36

and seek. Okay.

1:14:46

So

1:14:46

now that we've wrapped up the thirtieth,

1:14:48

I don't feel like there's any

1:14:50

red flags coming from any of

1:14:52

the individuals who we've had testimonies from

1:14:54

that we that we've received testimonies from. When

1:14:57

we compare

1:14:59

who's looked at,

1:15:00

compare who looked at

1:15:02

what their interview what they

1:15:03

told me in their interview,

1:15:06

what they told law

1:15:08

enforcement. I wanna

1:15:09

go now not just into I don't wanna go into

1:15:12

the timeline anymore.

1:15:14

I I

1:15:15

wanna actually see Those

1:15:19

who were closest to Bernie, I wanna know what they said.

1:15:23

He sends locals

1:15:26

out a local media a a detective out there go

1:15:28

show that. And we

1:15:30

actually get a response

1:15:33

from a grandma

1:15:35

that changes things quickly.

1:15:38

I think

1:15:38

one of the

1:15:42

first statements officers

1:15:46

ask her to recap the

1:15:49

last time she has

1:15:51

seen Britney. She begins

1:15:54

by by telling them that

1:15:56

I wanna see

1:15:59

Daniels. I

1:15:59

wanna see

1:16:02

Ashley's Eric's glides.

1:16:04

I wanna see all their

1:16:06

interviews. Let's go over those next.

1:16:10

I wanna see what they said.

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