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I hadn't

3:01

seen anybody that I felt comfortable saying

3:03

anything 2 Until

3:05

today. The stories

3:07

they tell are pretty fun. They're pretty

3:09

freaking gruesome.

3:11

I kept

3:11

all text messages, Facebook

3:14

messages, system

3:15

messages between me and Britney. I have all

3:17

of them.

3:19

I have everything. I

3:21

told myself to kill all of my motherfuckers,

3:24

and I was gonna have my people fucking

3:26

take care of it.

3:28

I'll just safer he's staying out of nowhere

3:30

just to see what somebody says. Is

3:33

this little child role here to be hard to

3:35

hide so many of that? Is it basically

3:37

everything So to

3:40

me, some things, I don't believe anything happened

3:42

to where I think this was.

3:45

This is tidency, season

3:48

three. I'm your host,

3:50

James Baysinger.

4:09

Hey, guys.

4:11

Last week, we opened up the case file.

4:14

You heard official reports regarding the witness

4:16

testimony of Sheldon Bowman,

4:19

Grandma, the elderly gentleman

4:21

John and the teen

4:23

home alone. We

4:26

also heard official dispatch times allowing

4:28

us to put together a more cohesive timeline.

4:32

Another memorable point in the case file

4:34

is what we learned regarding Britney's visit

4:36

to the home. The

4:39

teen who was home alone says, he

4:41

heard a knock at the front door, while

4:43

hearing footsteps at the back door.

4:47

Next, he sees a white female walking

4:49

from the backyard to the front yard.

4:51

When here's another knock at the front door.

4:55

After reading his testimony in the case file,

4:57

we decided to brief follow interview

5:00

was necessary to clarify a few things.

5:02

In interview, I learned

5:04

that Britney went to the window at the front of the

5:06

house and peered in. As

5:09

Sarah and I discussed this, we

5:11

agreed that this sounds like an action that has

5:13

intention behind it. If she

5:15

was looking for help and seize the

5:17

team. Why is she walking

5:19

away? Did

5:22

she realize he was scared and she wouldn't

5:24

get help there. Or

5:27

was she just as startled as he was when

5:29

they saw one another?

5:33

Very recently, I spoke with the

5:35

neighbor who drove to the teen's house to check

5:37

on him after this concerning encounter.

5:40

And for convenience, we're gonna refer to the

5:42

neighbor friend as Ben. Ben

5:46

tells me the young man calls mom,

5:48

and mom contacts him to go check on this

5:50

situation. The

5:52

initial phone call to nine eleven from John's

5:54

home comes in at eight

5:56

fifty one PM. The

5:58

second call where John ports

6:00

that Britney has walked away, and he no

6:02

longer sees her, comes in at

6:04

eight fifty six PM. We've

6:07

recapped Britney's likely next So

6:09

at this time, I'd like to share Ben's recollection

6:11

of events once

6:13

he arrives to the home of the young man.

6:18

Ben says he goes into the house.

6:21

He learns more about what's happened.

6:23

He takes a look around

6:26

both the house and the yard. He

6:29

gets back into his vehicle, at

6:31

which point he goes down Fond River Road

6:34

2 workman Road, and finds the abandoned

6:36

vehicle. Ben tells

6:38

me he looks into the car and it's a mess.

6:41

He recalls the glove box being open and

6:43

belongings pulled out of it. He

6:47

tells me the interior of the car was a mess.

6:50

Ben calls dispatch at nine twenty four

6:52

PM. He

6:54

leaves and makes his way down Silver Creek Road

6:56

looking for someone who may need help.

6:59

He follows it back to walk Road, which connects

7:01

back to Fonder River Road, where he

7:03

heads back to the car to wait for law enforcement.

7:06

For those who don't know the area, if

7:08

your picture at the letter p.

7:11

Workmen would be the leg of p.

7:14

Silver Creek would be the pop of

7:16

the p. While

7:18

road would be the belly and the

7:20

Fawn River would be the underbelly. The

7:23

last noteworthy item

7:25

to touch on has

7:27

that Ben did indeed inform law enforcement

7:30

that he had been called to the young man's home

7:32

for the report of strangers at the

7:34

door.

7:36

In today's episode, we'll

7:38

continue the same style as last episode.

7:41

There's a lot to get to.

7:43

So let's jump in. Alright.

7:46

So, Sarah, I want us to

7:48

we we kinda have a list of individuals who we

7:50

wanna work or at least look into.

7:53

And as I mentioned before, I really

7:55

want to kind of focus on the people

7:58

you know, who surrounded Britney, who

8:00

were close to Britney, friends, lovers,

8:03

and then, you know, with

8:05

the leads that we've looked at and what we've

8:07

chosen to pursue based on evidence.

8:10

There are individuals I wanna also look

8:12

at what they had said and what they had shared with law

8:14

enforcement. We have people who have claimed to have

8:16

taken polygraphs. We have people who have claimed to provide

8:18

their vehicles. And then we have an audio

8:20

recording of someone, you know,

8:22

sharing what they thought had

8:24

happened to Brittany that got, you know, turned over to

8:26

law enforcement.

8:28

We've prioritized

8:29

that lesson order

8:31

we're gonna go in and where

8:34

I would like to start with is Eric Glide

8:36

to kind of give a backstory real

8:38

quick for those who might be wondering, you

8:40

know, who Eric Glide again. I know

8:42

there's a lot of characters

8:44

involved in this case. Glide

8:47

was the male who was

8:49

recorded secretly

8:51

recorded when he was sharing

8:54

knowledge that he had heard or had known about

8:56

Brittany's disappearance, and it's Ashley

8:58

and JJ Fox who are

9:00

recording glide. We played that

9:02

earlier in this season, so

9:04

I want you to give us a summary

9:06

about what he had shared with law enforcement.

9:08

So

9:11

air

9:12

Eric Glide

9:15

gives his statement, and the

9:17

sergeant calls

9:18

Eric because

9:20

he received a tip from Jessica,

9:23

Britney's mother, that there was an audio

9:25

recording, and

9:27

that audio recording has turned over. To

9:29

the sergeant. And it mentions

9:32

information about Britney being killed.

9:34

Jessica

9:34

tells the sergeant that

9:37

recording is between John

9:39

Fox Jr. And Eric

9:41

Clyde. So the

9:43

detective makes contact with Eric slide

9:45

over the phone requesting that he come to

9:47

the sheriff's department for an interview.

9:49

Eric stated that he would, but then

9:51

he began to talk about how he did not know

9:53

Britney Shank. He states

9:55

that Britney's mom, Jessica, had

9:57

contacted him about the recordings

9:59

and

9:59

stated that he didn't know

10:01

any information about the disappearance

10:03

of Britney Shank.

10:05

He states that he had never been

10:06

to Don Hill's residence prior.

10:09

He stated that the conversation

10:12

in question was him and

10:14

another female,

10:15

and he names Ashley talking

10:18

and that JJ Fong was around

10:20

them at the time that he was

10:22

talking to her, but he was

10:24

not talking to JJ, and he makes the

10:26

point of saying that he wasn't talking to

10:28

JJ. He stated that everyone had been

10:30

talking about Britney, and he'd been

10:32

telling everybody to stop spreading

10:34

rumors. He goes on to say

10:36

that most of the names that have

10:38

been brought up in the investigation he

10:40

didn't know and that he does not

10:42

get along with JJ Fox.

10:45

Eric states that he not know Britney

10:47

Shank and has never had contact with

10:49

her and has no involvement in the

10:51

case.

10:52

He States. He does not have

10:54

any information. And if he

10:56

did, he says he would bring it to

10:58

police.

10:59

Eric goes on to say that

11:03

at

11:03

this present

11:04

time when he's speaking, there's

11:06

a lot of rumors going around that seem to

11:08

be unsubstantiated, and that that's

11:10

why he has told everybody he knows to

11:12

to stop talking about it. The detective

11:16

asks him if he comes into any

11:18

information or receives any more

11:20

information If he would contact them and

11:22

Eric agrees it says that he

11:24

would. And that's

11:25

the end of the statement. Nothing

11:29

new from what

11:30

he has shared with us. What

11:32

I

11:32

would say is Eric,

11:34

why did you know, Gladden. Why

11:36

didn't you share with law enforcement? You what you

11:38

were sharing with Ashley? Of course, they

11:40

already have it. You know,

11:42

they have the recording, which is why you're there

11:44

or you're on the phone with them. You

11:46

know, why not share what you had heard? I

11:48

it's something I I'm curious about

11:51

and something that I can follow-up with him.

11:53

But like he had said, he's also saying a

11:55

lot of a lot of his version, none of it's

11:58

unsubstantiated. And he

12:00

tells everyone to stop talking about it,

12:02

which can come off like

12:04

if someone trying to, you know, shut this

12:06

conversation down if people wanted to talk about

12:08

this. But when it's kinda being

12:10

targeted towards him in

12:12

my polygraph episode with Ashley.

12:14

She says she says she

12:16

knows, but she doesn't know, but she

12:18

knows. First name she throws out

12:20

is Eric Glied. I've

12:22

always kinda wondered, like, why is that

12:24

such a strong point for her? And she

12:26

talks about how and she's not

12:28

referring to this conversation. She's referring

12:30

to a a tech texting conversation

12:32

between the two of them, how Eric

12:34

Glied says if she's still

12:36

alive. Well, I I should mention. She

12:38

mentioned some sort a comment about that. And

12:40

how that's really her strong point, and as to why

12:42

Eric and I didn't have he's trying to he's

12:44

trying to pin it on these other individuals that

12:46

had been brought up into the rumors.

12:49

And so I get why he would wanna shut

12:51

it down. Yeah. I don't know how there's

12:53

not money at much takeaway. I don't I don't why

12:55

she feels so strongly about him specifically.

12:57

I really would like to know why. I mean, give me

13:00

what it is. I I would happily

13:02

corner and talk to 2, he still

13:04

contacts me. Like, he knows I'll ask him straight

13:06

up. You know, there's no bullshit about this.

13:08

Eric's always been straight up with me. So if you can

13:10

give me something that contradicts what he's

13:12

told me. I'll happily confront

13:14

him. I

13:14

think to your to

13:16

your first point

13:19

where you when you mentioned

13:21

that he didn't, Eric Glide

13:23

doesn't tell them what he told

13:25

Ashley. To be

13:27

fair, the sergeant doesn't even

13:29

ask. It seems we

13:30

don't know for sure whether that question

13:33

was asked or

13:33

not. From this statement, it

13:37

seems like that question wasn't

13:39

asked. And

13:43

so was

13:44

it swept under the rug? I don't know. Like you

13:46

said, they they have the recording. They

13:50

know what was said. So do they need

13:52

to ask? I don't know. I I think

13:54

there would have been some more follow-up

13:56

questions, but and and

13:58

it doesn't seem like there

13:59

is you know, the the sergeant

14:02

calls with the intention of having

14:03

Glide come down to the 2. And

14:05

he they have this brief what seems

14:07

like a brief conversation. And

14:10

I haven't seen in the case file, another

14:13

occasion when glide comes actually

14:16

comes to the station. So

14:18

you know, whether whether that's

14:21

because they aren't

14:23

taking this tip seriously or

14:25

if that's because you

14:27

know, maybe they know that this is

14:29

junk.

14:30

And, you know, I I guess I could

14:32

see that too. guess I one

14:35

question I do have is, I

14:37

always kind of found it a little interesting.

14:39

Why Ashley chose to provide it

14:42

to Jessica first instead of just

14:44

taking his law enforcement. Like, I don't I don't

14:46

understand that. Like, why did you I

14:49

mean, she's not even She has

14:51

it because thought her mother

14:53

deserved to know first. Why

14:55

don't you think her mom deserves to have

14:57

her passwords?

15:00

Like, I like, that's something Her

15:02

group in this moment where you have

15:04

her passwords and you say, well,

15:06

I think her mom deserved to hear this

15:08

recording first. I'm not buying

15:10

that. Yeah. Yeah.

15:12

That's all we got for Eric Glide.

15:14

Right? That's

15:15

it. Okay.

15:17

Bring

15:17

on Chuck Outland.

15:25

Alright. So, Sarah, let's let's talk

15:27

about Chuck Allen real quick and for

15:29

listeners just trying to, you know,

15:31

refresh people's memory as we go through

15:33

this Chuck was the guy who was

15:35

at the Gastech video with the Ring

15:37

camera we played and you

15:39

see him walking back behind the camera

15:42

where you can see him, you know, he's no longer in

15:44

the in the frame. He comes

15:46

back and he opens the

15:48

door and we

15:50

hear someone

15:51

screaming. Mhmm.

15:56

There were many rumors about how

15:58

that was Britney, that was on

15:59

that ring camera screaming, that

16:03

there was some sort of connection to Britney's

16:05

case through this gas theft.

16:07

Let's talk about his testimony and

16:09

what he shares with law enforcement.

16:12

So

16:12

Chuck gives a statement. And in

16:15

that statement, he says, that

16:17

he was at that location,

16:19

that farm because

16:21

he was just quickly trying to take a piss,

16:24

but he wasn't trying to

16:26

tease to steal anything. He

16:30

says that there was a guy with

16:32

him by the name of Cody.

16:33

Cody for those that don't know

16:36

is who Chuck

16:38

has maintained was

16:40

with him since the

16:42

beginning. And, unfortunately,

16:44

he sends this this time

16:46

Cody has passed. So

16:50

before he did before he passed, though

16:52

he did. Give a statement to police which we'll get

16:54

to in a second. Chuck

16:56

says Cody was in the back seat

16:59

and he freaked out when he walked

17:01

back to the car. And

17:03

he screamed and Chuck

17:06

says he was, you know, basically

17:08

fooling around, you know, trying

17:10

to to scare him a bird on

17:12

my yeah. He thought it was funny. Trying

17:14

to startling. Chuck

17:15

says he

17:16

leaves the farm location, and

17:18

he heads back down Fawn

17:20

River to 2, and

17:22

he drops Cody Off.

17:25

And that's about the gist of

17:27

it. And for Cody, he does provide a

17:29

testimony and he does share with law enforcement

17:31

and confirms what

17:33

Chuck has

17:34

stated already in

17:36

that He was with Chuck. He members falling

17:38

asleep in the car. And

17:40

then Cody provides information

17:43

to law enforcement about how he still he deals with night

17:45

terrors apparently. And that's what

17:47

was happening and taking place in the

17:50

video. He doesn't remember it,

17:52

but he talks about this being something that

17:54

he deals with. He does confirm that

17:56

he's known Chuck since he was fifteen, sixteen years

17:58

old. He does mention though that he

18:00

does recall meeting Britney once.

18:03

It was through a girl that he was dating, but

18:05

he had met her when he was

18:07

seventeen. It wasn't any time recent to and

18:09

he never met her or ran into her again

18:11

after that. Like Chuck says,

18:14

Cody remembers waking up. Than being at his

18:16

residence and then going inside. But

18:18

that was Cody testimony, which

18:20

again confirms in in a lot of the

18:22

things that Chuck said, but it it does add a

18:24

little to side where it kinda makes sense

18:26

why he's freaking out the way he is in

18:28

that type of situation. Yeah.

18:31

Yeah. Unfortunately, he's not here with us today, but, you

18:33

know, their stories are matching up thus far.

18:36

Yeah. It seems like the stories are are very

18:38

similar. Law enforcement doesn't stop

18:40

there Of course, because of all these stories

18:42

that have been thrown out there, along with the

18:44

white Cadillac not matching, so we can address that

18:46

now. The white Cadillac has been has been

18:48

said that the Cadillac law

18:50

enforcement Konzcator

18:52

took 2 test was the

18:54

wrong cadillac. That was something that

18:56

was consistently told, and there were three

18:58

others out we had to look Chuck is driving

19:01

with two other individuals and he

19:03

actually gets pulled over in his

19:05

car or he has warrant for his arrest. So, of

19:07

course, law enforcement apprahens

19:09

him. There's another individual in the car who

19:11

gets apprehended because he has a warrant. Now

19:13

there's a third individual in the car who's a

19:16

female, shiggy. Tags along with him down at sheriff's

19:18

office, which she gets questioned, but they end up letting

19:20

her go. She didn't have any warrants or anything. They

19:22

just wanted to ask some additional follow-up questions.

19:24

But we have his car, him

19:27

in the are leaving the scene registration VIN number so

19:29

we can put that doll to end.

19:31

Now, we've heard the

19:33

interview, but Law

19:36

enforcement wants to see if Chuck's willing

19:38

to give

19:40

permission for law enforcement to search his vehicle

19:44

and I'd like to add,

19:46

they got started on this right away. I think they

19:48

seemed excited about this. They started at

19:50

three thirty in the morning. Like

19:52

you

19:52

said, they're they're excited to get this done. It seems

19:54

like they're very motivated to get this done. They

19:56

start processing the car immediately.

19:59

And so they take the

20:02

car, and the phone,

20:04

Chuck's phone, and

20:07

he he signs over permission

20:09

for both. There's no, you

20:11

know, argument, there's no putting up a

20:13

a fight. They're processing. They're getting

20:15

to work three thirty in the morning, and they

20:17

They discover this

20:19

triplet of blood that they that they think.

20:22

By morning, Chuck's being interviewed again.

20:24

They're saying, hey, you wanna tell us

20:26

more about what you may know because

20:29

we just found this. They're

20:32

telling them, hey, we're gonna hold your car longer. We're

20:34

gonna test this. Like, it'd be better you tell us

20:36

now before we discover this. Find out

20:38

that this is Britney's blood.

20:40

He's like,

20:41

the right go

20:43

for

20:43

it. I'm not worried.

20:45

worried What's

20:47

he most concerned about getting his

20:49

car back? He he is more concerned about

20:51

getting the car back than

20:53

the potential of, you

20:56

know, something in the car

20:58

incriminating him. So

21:01

they they process the car. There's

21:03

nothing in the car that pertains

21:05

to Brittany. And they process his

21:07

phone. And again, there's

21:09

nothing that pertains to Britney on

21:11

his phone. And you

21:13

know,

21:13

again, he he

21:16

could have made

21:17

this much more difficult. Mhmm.

21:20

He could have made them get

21:22

a warrant and do

21:24

it that way. But instead, he

21:26

says, sure. Go ahead.

21:29

Whatever you

21:29

need to do so I can clear my name and

21:31

get my car back. And

21:33

and there's nothing.

21:35

There's Yeah.

21:37

There's nothing. Obviously, results come

21:40

back negative. It's not Britney's

21:42

DNA.

21:42

Correct? Correct. If you

21:45

recall,

21:45

there's a point in time while

21:48

Chuck's in jail, he

21:50

is starting to hear these rumors.

21:53

He's in jail when he when he gets booked. This is in

21:56

January. It's actually January twenty

21:58

fourth twenty nineteen. It's

22:00

not until months

22:03

later in October after

22:05

he's heard all of these rumors and it's

22:07

getting back to him while he's in

22:09

jail, he contacts law enforcement or the detective

22:11

on the case, and he tells them, hey, I want

22:13

a polygraph because I want

22:15

my name off of this.

22:18

Yeah. Let's start with the dates on when

22:20

he requests for the polygraph.

22:22

So

22:24

Chuck takes two polygraphs.

22:27

The first polygraph he requests

22:29

to take is on

22:31

nine eighteen of twenty

22:33

nineteen. And the result

22:35

for this comes back inconclusive.

22:40

And the second one

22:42

he to take is a month later

22:45

on October seventeenth, and

22:47

this one comes back with

22:49

a pass. Obviously, when

22:50

I saw this that it was inconclusive,

22:54

I thought, what's

22:56

going on? You know? Yeah.

22:58

Yeah. This is the first wet flag where you're like,

23:00

whoa. But then he, you know, says,

23:02

run it back. Let's do it next month. If I don't

23:04

know if there's any stipulation or if there's any kind of

23:06

like rule that wait for x amount

23:08

of time to be able to ask questions again. I

23:11

don't know. But, you know,

23:13

he says put me in the again,

23:15

strap me up. Comes back

23:17

and pass. Chuck's done

23:20

just about everything that

23:23

you can expect someone. And

23:25

and and to be honest, like, if

23:27

you're gonna try to pin something on

23:29

me, you better come with some

23:31

facts. You know, you better Prepared. Yeah.

23:33

Yeah. You know, they they hit him with the

23:35

the drop of blood. You know, they allowed

23:37

him to take two polygraph tests. They take his phone.

23:39

He's giving them everything to

23:41

be able to find whatever they need

23:43

to, including the vehicle that it's been said she

23:46

was trans them. Without

23:48

without really putting out much

23:51

of any kind of fight, to

23:53

me somebody who takes

23:56

a polygraph and it

23:58

comes back inconclusive, I

23:59

would not expect that

24:01

they're gonna say, hey,

24:04

let's do it again. Yeah. Yeah.

24:06

I

24:06

would not expect that at all.

24:08

But he says, hey, let's do it again. Let's do it

24:10

a month later. I'm ready.

24:13

Let's go. Yeah. Another

24:14

point to

24:16

what, you know, Chuck's behavior. What

24:18

did he tell Ashley when she's at

24:20

his house? Well, go take a polygraph. That's

24:22

what I did? Yeah. Yeah. Like, it's

24:24

it's again a confirmation of

24:26

his mentality and approach and,

24:28

you know, I I took 2. Go

24:31

take one and tell tell you you can clear a

24:33

name.

24:34

Yeah.

24:34

The next individual I

24:37

2 talk about is someone that

24:39

we had talked about earlier

24:41

and the episode's his name is

24:43

Zach Keener, AKA

24:46

the Pablo Escobar of

24:48

Sturgis.

24:50

So, Zach gives

24:53

his statement and

24:56

he says, that the first time he

24:58

heard about Britney missing

25:00

was in the early part of December

25:02

between the seventh and the tenth.

25:05

He states on eleven thirty. He was with

25:07

a friend by the name of Chris Gins,

25:10

the majority of the day. And

25:13

then he went

25:15

home at approximately one

25:17

AM. He states that he and

25:19

Chris were hanging out with

25:22

another friend. And another two friends,

25:24

both females. He stated

25:27

that they hung out at Chris' dad's

25:29

house all day on

25:30

the thirtieth. So we

25:33

move on to later

25:35

in the day, the early evening of the thirtieth,

25:37

and he said that he

25:39

was at the Mechanic Street

25:41

house than he was staying out with James Shoffner,

25:45

who Zach mentioned in his

25:47

interview with you.

25:48

And he stated he may have left to go

25:51

to the stored back. He stated that

25:54

Chris Giddens had been hanging out with

25:56

some bad people, he

25:58

says. And he named

25:59

six six or seven

26:02

people, and one of

26:04

them is Eric s.

26:06

He states he

26:08

and his two other female

26:11

friends had contacted each

26:13

other that day and decided to get

26:15

together and hang out He

26:17

stated he left Schoffner's house

26:19

to go to Chris's and stated

26:21

that he believed that his friend

26:23

may have him up between

26:25

four and five PM on the

26:28

thirtieth. He

26:29

goes

26:30

on to say that he went to to Chris'

26:33

and stated that he left to get food a

26:35

couple times, didn't

26:37

remember

26:37

where, stated that

26:40

he'd left one

26:42

or two times.

26:44

And he says that ultimately he ends

26:47

up walking home at

26:49

approximately one

26:51

AM on twelve one.

26:53

He

26:54

goes on to or

26:56

show the His Google

26:58

Maps for the day and according to the Google

27:01

Maps that he was showing,

27:04

he didn't

27:04

appear to leave the city of Sturgis

27:06

for the entire day. He

27:09

gave his Google account, actually,

27:11

two Google accounts

27:13

and stated that he knows

27:16

a subject by the name of

27:18

Ashley. He stated that they

27:19

used to work together and he had

27:22

stayed with her for

27:24

a period of

27:24

time about a week in

27:27

June after his mom

27:29

had passed away. He

27:31

says that Ashley may have a grudge against him

27:34

because he

27:34

had told her off at at

27:36

one point because he was stressed out.

27:39

About losing his mother. Zach

27:42

goes on to say that he

27:44

leaves

27:45

Ashley as sometime

27:48

in the second week of June, and

27:50

he moves to Indiana and then

27:52

eventually moves back to

27:54

Michigan. Zach says that his

27:56

friend, Chris Gins, is is not a violent

27:59

person.

27:59

He says that Britney and

28:02

JJ Real had come to

28:05

Schoffner's home He stated it was

28:07

in the middle of the night, and they were

28:09

talking about a knife with

28:11

Schofner. He says that they

28:13

were they were all in the awge

28:15

and he was watching from the

28:17

house. He says that he wasn't

28:19

involved in the conversation and

28:21

says that the only reason he

28:23

knew that that was Britney was

28:25

because Schoffner later tells him that

28:27

that was

28:27

Britney with JJ. Zach

28:30

states that he wouldn't have known

28:32

that it was Britney

28:33

if Schoffner didn't

28:35

tell him.

28:35

And that wraps

28:38

up the statement from Zach.

28:40

It's pretty much all he says.

28:42

A lot

28:43

of stuff. Okay.

28:45

So let's let's break that

28:47

down for a second. So first off,

28:50

he confirms that he was with four friends

28:52

on the thirtieth. Him

28:54

and Chris, along with two females,

28:57

they

28:57

go to

28:58

Chris's dad's house, which is what he told me.

29:00

And confirm

29:01

what time did he say that they went?

29:03

He was picked up between he thinks

29:06

between four and five.

29:08

though So

29:09

they're there. And

29:11

is this one you were explaining how they

29:13

were that they may have gone

29:15

out

29:15

to get food and came back? Yeah. They go out

29:18

to get food. He thinks a couple

29:20

couple times. But

29:21

does Kayner's does this mention

29:23

Kayner's phone staying

29:26

standstill? Or is it moving around like

29:28

he says? It it

29:30

doesn't say specifically

29:32

to those to those incidents of going out

29:34

to your food. Okay. What the

29:36

detective says is that it just shows him on

29:38

Google Maps for the day and that he

29:41

doesn't leave sturges. Which

29:43

I would think if you war

29:45

two leaves 2 and you look at sturges on a

29:47

map and you look at where grandma's house is,

29:49

I would think that would be considered

29:52

leaving sturges. And not

29:54

being in the city. You know what I'm

29:56

saying? Plus, if they're looking at his location and seeing

29:58

if there's any relevance to grandmas

30:00

or in that area, they would have

30:02

said yes. And question him on it. Mhmm. So

30:05

he stays in town with those four

30:07

individuals. Right. You mentioned

30:09

some other stuff about how Zach

30:12

mentions Chris, though, hanging

30:14

around some a rough crowd of people

30:16

-- Yep. -- and includes Eric.

30:19

Yeah.

30:19

He he says some

30:21

bad people in e names, six or

30:24

seven

30:24

people, and one of them is

30:26

is Erica s. Why does I'm just curious

30:28

why do we know why he or

30:30

even brings that up? No. He he just

30:32

says that

30:34

Chris had been hanging around

30:36

with them and he

30:38

doesn't really go into a reason why he brings that up

30:40

or why he thinks they're bad people.

30:43

But then we have him

30:44

also acknowledging that he has a relationship or

30:46

a friendship with Ashley. But

30:48

thinks Ashley could

30:49

be having a crush because he had told her off or

30:51

something. Yeah. I think I think it was

30:53

a former friendship by

30:55

the sounds

30:56

of this. At

30:58

this point in time of his interview. Yeah.

31:01

Yeah. What he had told

31:03

me is that The

31:06

way I received it

31:07

was he

31:09

didn't know one hundred percent if that was Britney

31:11

who had came to Canaccord

31:13

Street where they he was he was renting, I

31:15

think, out one of the rooms from James.

31:18

And as I understood that he didn't know

31:20

one hundred percent as to who it was,

31:23

And he wasn't really clear, but I from my

31:25

recollection is that he thought

31:27

he remembered it being Britney after seeing a picture

31:29

of her because he didn't know her.

31:32

Schoffner is the one who confirms that it was

31:34

Britney, which is important

31:36

because who's J. J. Ryle

31:38

and what's his relationship with

31:40

Britney? That's something we definitely wanna look

31:42

further into, because if that is

31:45

her,

31:45

we wanna talk to all

31:47

the people that she was close with,

31:50

of course. Chris

31:51

Giddens goes to the

31:54

sheriff's department to give a 2, and

31:57

he starts off by telling them he

31:59

has never met Britney. He

32:02

didn't know anything about anybody

32:04

missing until he saw a post

32:06

on Facebook, he says

32:07

in the past twenty four hours he'd been

32:09

getting some horrible messages

32:12

on his phone about Britney

32:14

missing. Do we have a date

32:16

of this? The the interview

32:18

is interview yeah. The interviewee. So if he

32:20

say in the past twenty four hours?

32:22

Right. The interview

32:25

was conducted on

32:28

twelve twenty

32:28

nine eighteen. He says

32:30

he's been getting these

32:32

horrible messages on his phone for

32:34

the past twenty four hours. And

32:36

he goes on to say that the the

32:38

messages are, you know, mostly pertaining to

32:41

rumors about Britain's

32:43

disappearance. He says someone

32:45

told him that Britney had family that

32:47

lives out on Foner River

32:49

Road but but he doesn't doesn't know

32:51

for certain. The

32:52

officer asks about his car

32:54

and asks if he can

32:57

confirm that make and model

32:59

and Chris does. The the

33:01

officer asks if he can see

33:02

his phone, and Chris hands

33:05

over his phone. Willingly. He

33:07

says that he recently gave his

33:09

ten year old, his old phone

33:12

because he

33:14

has the same phone number, but it's a

33:16

a different phone. It's

33:17

a new device. To clear

33:19

yeah. New device. Yeah. He wants to

33:21

clarify that with the officer.

33:23

Chris mentions the the ticket

33:26

that we've all heard about with blood on

33:28

it, and he acknowledges that,

33:30

yes, he did get a ticket. And

33:32

yes, it does have blood on

33:34

it. He says that he works as a

33:36

machinist, and he busted his knuckle

33:38

at work. The officer checks his

33:40

knuckle and does

33:42

confirm that there is a healing wound.

33:44

The

33:44

officer asks again about

33:49

Britney, and if he knew her, and

33:51

he says he is one hundred percent

33:54

sure, he is never mad

33:56

Britney. The

33:56

officer in Cresco to the parking lot of

33:58

the sheriff's department

33:59

where the officer requests

34:02

permission to search

34:03

Chris's car, and Chris gives

34:05

it. The officer searches the

34:08

car, the interior both

34:10

the interior of the car and the trunk.

34:13

And he finds nothing of evidentiary

34:16

value. He notes that the seats are

34:18

vacuumed, but there, you know, there's no

34:20

evidence of

34:22

staining or anything like that. And he also notes that the car

34:24

has not recently been

34:26

cleaned. He says the trunk

34:28

is

34:28

still, you know, very

34:30

dirty. There's dirt. There's, you know, tools in there or whatever. And

34:34

that's about the extent

34:36

of his statement.

34:40

The officer

34:40

ended up taking that ticket with him? Yes. They

34:43

do process it for DNA testing just to

34:45

make sure that that's not Britney's blood 2 it

34:47

comes back negative and it confirms

34:49

that is Chris' blood. That was

34:52

definitely something that was talked

34:54

about often about, you know,

34:56

something early

34:58

on there's this blood on this ticket and this blood on this ticket and just how

35:00

that's one of the wild rumors that I got out

35:02

of control. But here we can confirm

35:05

has nothing to do with that. Yeah, they

35:07

confirm that that Britney is

35:10

neither a major contributor or a

35:11

minor contributor to that

35:13

DNA profile. So it is

35:15

it is not hit. It is not

35:18

hers. Something else

35:18

that has been I I wanna

35:20

say was episode two, but we

35:22

had talked to Brittany's father, Greg, and he had mentioned

35:24

that there were some names of individuals who had

35:27

he had asked law enforcement about

35:29

who had taken

35:32

a polygraph. These are the other two individuals who end up taking all graphs

35:34

as one of them, Zach, and the other

35:37

one's Chris. Correct.

35:39

right The

35:40

same day, March first twenty nineteen,

35:42

both Zach and

35:46

Chris pass.

35:47

that

35:48

Sarah, this next individual

35:50

that I wanna talk about is somebody that we actually

35:52

haven't heard from you in

35:56

the show. Right? But he was

35:58

somebody that was also around Ashley's -- Mhmm. --

35:59

during the time of Britney

36:01

were missing. And This

36:04

individual's also been mistaken. I think some people thought when

36:07

he was referred to as

36:09

one of ashes like brothers, people

36:13

thought maybe that was her biological. It's

36:15

not. This guy's name

36:17

is Larry. And

36:19

in There

36:21

was a

36:21

point in time in the season where I actually called him

36:24

out by his name that he goes

36:26

by. His name

36:28

is Raven. Or he

36:30

goes by

36:32

Raven. So on

36:35

February

36:35

twenty second

36:37

of twenty nineteen, Larry

36:40

is

36:40

interviewed after

36:42

just being released from the county jail,

36:45

and The

36:48

detective says that he received

36:50

information from an interview

36:54

with Ashley. He says when

36:56

I inquired

36:56

as to anyone that she

36:58

knew with the bleached hair,

37:02

She stated the only

37:03

person she could think of

37:06

would maybe

37:08

be Larry.

37:09

The detective says

37:10

that he interviews Larry and

37:12

asks him if he knew Britney Shank.

37:16

And

37:16

he says that he'd met Britney at

37:18

a bar He says that

37:20

his last contact with

37:22

her was in

37:23

August of twenty eighteen. He

37:25

says

37:26

that Britney was

37:28

with subject by the name of Daniel and

37:30

we can surmise that

37:33

this is likely Kate. He

37:36

goes on to say

37:38

that they were at

37:40

the the nights in in sturges.

37:43

Larry states that he was with

37:45

Ashley at the time and he

37:47

states that he added Britney

37:49

to his Facebook friends when

37:51

he heard that she would missing. He says

37:53

his Facebook name is

37:56

Raven and

37:57

the last name.

38:00

He stayed

38:00

prior to the night's end meeting, he

38:02

had met her a couple times at a

38:05

bar in sturges. He

38:06

says that he didn't have much interaction

38:08

with her. And says that he's

38:11

never had bleached blonde hair. He

38:13

says he colors his

38:15

hair red, which The detective makes note that it is

38:17

a rusty red color.

38:20

He asks him if he's

38:22

ever been to 2 grandmother's house

38:25

and Larry says to know he has

38:27

not ever been to Brittany's

38:29

grandmother's house. The detective shows

38:31

him a photograph of

38:33

a composite sketch by Michigan State

38:35

Police, and he asks Larry, who he thinks

38:38

that the subject

38:40

looks like. And

38:41

Larry says he thinks the

38:43

subject looks like Eric s,

38:46

but he has

38:48

never known Eric to bleach his hair.

38:50

Larry says that he doesn't

38:51

have any other information about

38:53

the Britney Shank

38:55

case and says

38:57

that if he gets any

38:59

relevant information he will contact the detective. This is on

39:01

February twenty second twenty

39:02

nineteen who has just been released

39:05

from Saint Joe Kennedy jail.

39:08

So my question is, well, when did he go to

39:10

jail? Do we know that yet? No.

39:12

We don't. We

39:13

don't know

39:16

that yet. That's something we wanna

39:18

follow-up on. Now, what initiates them wanting

39:20

to speak to Larry

39:22

is from a conversation that

39:24

they are an interview they have with Ashley, which

39:26

we'll get 2. Yes. But Larry,

39:29

you know, he doesn't deny ever not meeting

39:31

her. He says he met her back

39:33

in August when she was still with Daniel at,

39:35

I believe it was the

39:37

night's end. Larry was

39:39

there with Ashley. He

39:42

was asked if he's ever been to Brittany's grandmother's house.

39:46

And

39:47

Larry says no.

39:48

is now

39:50

Something else

39:51

to remember.

39:53

They show

39:54

a composite sketch, which

39:56

is something that we were looking very

39:59

hard

39:59

for it and we couldn't get our hands on this.

40:02

So we do have

40:04

that composite sketch and Larry

40:07

says that when they show that that sketched

40:09

in, Larry says he thinks that looks like

40:11

Eric Yes. But he doesn't recall

40:14

Eric ever bleaching his hair. I

40:16

don't wanna go into the reason why it

40:18

hasn't been shared or why we won't share it.

40:20

It's for the investigation. There's a purpose

40:23

and there's there's a reason for

40:25

it. So I know that might be confusing. Wondering, well, then why we do

40:27

it in the first place. But like I said, without

40:29

I don't wanna give information that's

40:32

that could, you know, hurt the

40:34

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41:36

I

41:42

want us

41:42

to take a look at one

41:45

of her ex levers and I want us

41:47

to go to Daniel

41:50

AKA cages

41:52

testimony. What's cage have to say? So

41:54

law enforcement reaches

41:55

out to cage pretty early on just

41:57

two days after Britney

42:00

is reported missing on December

42:02

tenth, and they leave him a

42:04

voicemail. A couple

42:06

days later, on December

42:08

twelfth, cage speaks with law

42:10

enforcement over the phone, and he

42:13

tells the detective that he is

42:15

on his way back

42:16

from Florida. He says he's

42:18

approximately fifteen hours away,

42:20

and he tells the detective

42:22

that he is coming back for

42:25

the purpose of looking for Britney. On December

42:28

twenty

42:28

third, cage gets

42:31

pulled over.

42:32

And he

42:34

says that he returned to Michigan

42:36

on December nineteenth. Now keep

42:38

in mind,

42:39

cage has pretty consistently

42:41

said that he was

42:43

in Florida during the time when

42:45

Britney disappears.

42:48

the

42:49

So cage shares with law enforcement

42:52

that

42:53

he was told that

42:55

there were three

42:57

pings three paying

43:00

locations for for Britney's

43:02

phone. He says that

43:04

a

43:04

female told him

43:06

this and we later confirmed

43:08

through the case file that the person

43:10

who tells him this information

43:14

is Ashley. Now when you say ping,

43:15

that's like cell phone, tower pinging of

43:17

the self like -- Right. -- can you

43:19

ping a phone when

43:22

it's not active.

43:24

I I know.

43:25

No. So I think the phone

43:27

has

43:27

to be has to be active.

43:30

Right? Turned

43:32

on. The only way that you can justify this type of argument in my

43:34

opinion would be is that you had access to that

43:36

phone account 2 you could see

43:38

its whereabouts at its last moments.

43:41

On the thirtieth by accessing

43:43

the online account,

43:44

but -- Right. -- I

43:46

don't know if that's possible. Like, I I would have

43:48

to we would have to look into that. Can't

43:51

is that possible for someone to look at the last pings

43:53

of a phone? Daniel Sain, there's a girl

43:55

who's telling them where these and we

43:57

know where her phone was

43:59

at. And it's interesting. They

44:02

request that cage come into

44:04

the sheriff's

44:05

office. So on one

44:08

thirty one, He

44:09

does just that. He goes

44:11

into the sheriff's office and he gives

44:13

a statement. And

44:14

he tells them that he used to date

44:16

Britney. And he came back to Michigan for the reason of helping

44:18

to to find her.

44:20

He tells them that

44:22

the last time he saw

44:24

Britney was on ten fourteen, so

44:26

we're talking a couple months before.

44:30

Three

44:30

months before the which one thirty

44:32

one. He does say though

44:34

that he talks to her on the phone

44:36

on November sixteenth twenty

44:39

eighteen. So, you know, fifteen

44:41

ish days before she

44:44

disappears. He

44:44

says that he

44:47

leaves for Florida on either the

44:48

twenty seventh or twenty eighth

44:51

of October and he moves to

44:53

Gainesville, Florida. They

44:54

question law enforcement questions cages

44:56

involvement with Britney's Facebook

44:59

that goes active in July

45:02

of twenty nineteen.

45:04

He tells them that he and Britney shared

45:06

a Facebook account which we've

45:08

talked about. But denies making

45:10

in the attempts to access

45:12

it in July of twenty nineteen.

45:15

So we won't

45:18

confuse that account with

45:20

Britney's account that

45:21

we have the data download for,

45:23

which is BBGod's plan.

45:26

So this is a different account. The account she shared

45:28

with

45:28

Kaye is the Britney Keltner account. So

45:31

two different accounts there.

45:34

He

45:34

goes on to say that the last time he believes he saw

45:36

Britney again was ten fourteen, tells them

45:39

again that shortly

45:40

after that he relocates

45:44

to Florida. Prior to his relocation that they had been hanging out

45:46

at a local bar called Nikki

45:48

is he rehashes that

45:50

again

45:50

the reason he is

45:52

back is

45:53

to look for

45:55

Britney.

45:55

Cage provides his

45:58

cell phone to

45:59

law enforcement. So law enforcement talks to him about

46:02

logging into Britney's 2, and

46:04

the reason they're asking

46:06

him about logging into

46:10

her Facebook is

46:10

because his

46:11

number, phone number was

46:14

connected to Britney's

46:16

Facebook account.

46:16

And cage shares

46:19

with law enforcement again

46:21

that that he

46:22

did

46:24

not attempt

46:24

to log in to her account.

46:26

He does admit that he attempts to log in to Britney's account

46:29

back in December of twenty

46:31

eighteen, so shortly after

46:34

she disappears. But he

46:36

says he his his attempts to get

46:38

in at that time were

46:40

unsuccessful. He said that

46:41

when he did that he was trying

46:43

to help find

46:43

out what happened to Britney.

46:46

And he says that he has

46:48

not attempted to log in to Britney's

46:50

Facebook account and that

46:52

his phone was

46:54

collected

46:54

on January thirtieth twenty

46:56

nineteen, and they could look

46:58

in his phone. When when he goes into

47:00

the station, it's also January thirtieth.

47:03

So It's during that time he turns the phone over.

47:05

So he tells him, you guys already have

47:07

my

47:07

phone. Right. But he does admit to attempting

47:09

to log in in December, but has

47:12

been successful. Correct. Okay.

47:14

And if they have his phone, you know, they, of

47:16

course, they can certainly look

47:18

and and see the history. His timeline

47:20

is just all over the place. Yes. Her

47:23

leaving in June or July. He thought

47:25

it was near her birthday, so then he

47:27

told us it was July. That

47:29

she left, but it's really June. Right. I'm not really I'm I

47:31

don't want to put too much stock into

47:33

those inaccuracies, to be honest. And

47:35

here's why is him

47:37

not being here in November thirtieth is the key

47:40

thing for me. He provided

47:42

his cell phone to law enforcement. It showed him

47:44

on his account being out and

47:46

about on the thirtieth, and he's jumping from

47:48

basically bar hopping. In

47:50

Florida?

47:50

in florida

47:52

In Florida.

47:53

He returns on the

47:54

nineteenth, but he tells the

47:57

detective on December twelfth that

47:59

he's

47:59

Yeah. He returns on his

48:02

hours. Yeah. Whether he arrives on the

48:03

fifteenth, sixteenth, seventeenth, last time he saw

48:05

it was in

48:08

October, August,

48:08

if he's

48:09

not here in November and he's

48:12

in in this confirmation, we have proof of

48:14

that. I think the inaccuracy

48:16

of his timeline doesn't carry

48:18

much weight to me. It wasn't

48:20

near. So you think

48:20

it's it's just, you know, poor

48:23

memory? I my

48:24

opinion I mean, I've talked to cage

48:26

multiple times. I think it was this. Right? You know, I'm pretty

48:28

sure it was that or it was it around that day.

48:31

You know, it's there are certain things that sticks

48:33

out to him that he is you know, he can

48:35

recall and he's like, yeah, like on the thirtieth when they had that post on Facebook talking about how I

48:37

was supposed to fly back here and I was asking someone

48:39

to pick me up. Mhmm. I'm looking

48:41

at my Google. His I'm looking

48:43

at my account stuff and seeing where I was at on the thirtieth. I'm at a

48:45

bar. Like, I'm out hopping around. Like, that anchors in his memory

48:47

obviously because it's the

48:50

day of he recalls going to check that history.

48:52

He's fifteen hours out. You know, we I'd ask you

48:54

that question. Do you think he drove the

48:56

straight, you know, drove straight fifteen hours. Do you think

48:58

he took two or

49:00

three days to to complete that

49:02

drive? Right. I mean, it's

49:03

kind of neither here nor there, like you

49:05

said, if if his Google if his

49:07

Google history is

49:10

location history is showing him, you know,

49:12

bopping around

49:13

from here to there 2.

49:15

In in Florida, and

49:18

and law enforcement confirms that

49:20

when they have his phone then,

49:22

you know. What I find

49:24

interesting

49:24

is that in July,

49:26

in july We know

49:28

that law enforcement issues a subpoena for Britney's Facebook

49:31

account because everybody is now contacting

49:33

law enforcement letting them know,

49:36

someone is active on Britain's Facebook. Right.

49:38

So when they issue a subpoena,

49:40

they get a return and

49:42

it shows three phone

49:44

numbers. We know first one was confirmed to

49:46

be 2. Yes. Second one was Daniels,

49:49

and then there's there's a third

49:52

person they take that phone number and issue a subpoena to AT and

49:54

T. They get a return from

49:56

AT and T, but there's no customer info

49:58

other than the longevity of the

50:02

account, which it was originally created back in twenty fourteen. Why

50:04

don't we have

50:04

any customer info? I don't understand

50:06

that. Like, I've didn't provide the

50:09

customer's information just the fact it

50:11

was an account with AT and T and how long it had been made

50:13

for. Like, how long it was when it was originally

50:15

created? Like, I just don't understand

50:18

The only place my mind goes is, is this active

50:20

at the time they submit a subpoena?

50:23

If it's

50:25

not active, perhaps a customer

50:27

name or customer information doesn't come

50:29

back, perhaps. But

50:32

I but i venture

50:35

to guess that perhaps that number is

50:36

still active? More than likely

50:39

because law enforcement

50:39

says they

50:42

used that phone number to gain access

50:44

to Britney's Facebook account. Right. And so when

50:45

they pull the Facebook information,

50:48

when that's returned to

50:49

law enforcement, they look the

50:51

IP address that's using the Facebook account. It's

50:53

to 2 AT and T phone number.

50:56

Yes.

50:56

well Well, we

50:58

know that Rockford has a conversation,

51:00

the private investigator with

51:02

Ashley, where Ashley tells him that's me

51:04

and Brit's account. Now we're gonna do things

51:06

my way. He contacts law enforcement and

51:09

lets the detective know, hey, just so

51:11

you know, that's her in

51:13

the account. Mhmm. Rockford tells law enforcement that

51:15

on it's fair to say July

51:18

tenth because that's when

51:20

he discovers that

51:21

that was Ashley in

51:24

there. In Britain's account.

51:25

Okay. So the last interview for today I

51:27

wanna go over is

51:32

Ashley Morees. Before we jump into that interview,

51:34

we kind of have to explain how

51:36

the interview

51:38

is initiated. You

51:40

guys might remember Ashley, I

51:41

believe it's the ninth, has a

51:44

conversation with Eric after Eric has just

51:46

recently spoken

51:48

with grandma. Got a

51:50

description of the mail that was with Britney the night

51:52

that they were at. Grand was on the thirtieth.

51:54

And if you recall, as she says, she

51:56

closes her eyes, and she listens

51:58

to the description and she says, shit, that's

51:59

Jeffrey that's Keesling.

52:03

She then to send a picture of

52:05

Jeffrey to 2 Bulk,

52:08

who then forwards that picture

52:11

to one of his sergeants to

52:13

take out to Gramma and show Gramma to

52:15

see if that mail is the mail

52:17

that was with Britney the night

52:19

she went missing. So eventually,

52:20

there's they attempt to make contact with and he's

52:23

unavailable. So they eventually

52:25

go back to where the tip came

52:27

from in the first place and

52:29

they make contact with Ashley.

52:32

Tell me what Ashley said. And

52:34

for context, tell

52:36

me exactly what

52:37

the case file says. What

52:39

she said.

52:41

I asked Ashley

52:43

if she would be able

52:45

to recognize her sister's voice with only a

52:47

few seconds of contact by phone, and

52:49

she said she could. I

52:50

advised her of the phone call I made

52:53

to

52:53

2 phone

52:56

number, and asked if she could call it to see if the female

52:58

answering the phone is her sister.

53:02

She's she

53:04

would, and she would then call into

53:06

dispatch and ask for

53:08

me. She called me back

53:09

at approximately sixty and thirty

53:11

seven hours and advised

53:13

the number went directly to voice

53:14

mail when she called it. She will

53:17

continue

53:17

to call 2, and if she

53:19

gets any information, She

53:21

will pass it along to

53:24

deputies. She mentions

53:25

the x, which is cage

53:27

acting very suspicious lately. She

53:29

tells us that's law

53:30

enforcement. Like,

53:32

how do you know he's acting suspicious? Like, what

53:34

is he doing? What communication have you had with

53:36

him two days after Brittany's been reported missing?

53:38

2 he's still in Florida, like, what

53:40

are you sending him down that path forward?

53:43

Like, what is he doing? Yeah. What

53:45

are the suspicious acts? She

53:48

continues on with

53:50

Ashley sharing with the officer that

53:52

she's speaking with that the description

53:55

that grammar gave also is sounding like

53:57

an old coworker. Now we don't know if

53:59

the coworker is one of her fellow

54:01

colleagues or I'm

54:04

guessing she's referring to something that maybe Britney used

54:06

to work with. So you

54:08

sent a picture of Jeffrey then

54:11

you're saying Daniel's acted very suspicious

54:14

lately. And then you're saying, hey, look at this old

54:16

coworker too. So that's three names off on the

54:18

table that we're dealing with throughout the bat. Right.

54:21

You you made a point

54:22

in this where you said, hey, the fact that

54:24

they gave her that phone number? That

54:27

was pretty

54:27

surprising to me. I

54:29

think probably, you

54:31

know, so far, I think it's

54:34

probably one of the more surprising things

54:36

that I I've read. It's

54:38

it's certainly strange.

54:40

And, you know, what

54:42

I would expect if they wanted

54:45

Ashley to hear this this

54:47

voice you know, a deputy would

54:49

either go to Ashley or Ashley would

54:51

go to the sheriff's

54:54

department and she would sit with them

54:56

while the deputy dials the number and she can sit there and hear it and, you know,

54:58

give it a positive or negative.

55:02

But to give

55:03

her the number while there's

55:05

an open investigation happening

55:08

is surprising and

55:10

certainly not normal procedure. Let's

55:12

address the elephant in

55:13

the room. Soon as

55:15

I read this, What the

55:17

fuck does that mean? What do you

55:20

mean? That's her

55:21

sister. Why would you allow law enforcement? Like who

55:24

plants that seed? Yeah. They're

55:26

saying,

55:26

and again, would you recognize your sister's voice?

55:28

Like, this isn't like she was like a sister

55:30

to me? Like, that's not the kind of wording

55:32

that you're gonna put into an investigative file. This

55:34

is her claiming to be Britney's sister. Yeah. Odd.

55:36

And and one other thing I

55:38

wanna point out is that she makes the comment

55:42

about Britney supposedly was

55:44

supposed to move in with her. Right? When Britney

55:46

announces that on Facebook on

55:48

November twenty third or twenty fourth, that she's

55:50

gonna be a Sheldon and that they're Facebook

55:52

official and she's stating over

55:54

there. Ashley knew Britney wasn't gonna

55:56

move move in with her

55:58

anymore. Why are you saying she's gonna move in with

55:59

you? You know she's not going to? mean,

56:01

certainly by this time, you know, this

56:04

is long after she

56:06

she knew. Britney was not

56:09

moving in. So this is

56:12

on December tenth.

56:14

Let's jump

56:15

to her next interview.

56:17

This next interview

56:19

is taking place on

56:21

January second twenty eighteen, and

56:23

the time is around eleven

56:25

forty five at night. And

56:28

dispatch has been sent to 2 Manor

56:30

Apartments, specifically to Ashley's

56:33

apartment.

56:33

She's

56:34

requesting because has something to show that she

56:36

wants to share with him.

56:38

Tell

56:38

me

56:39

what Ashley says. Upon

56:43

ringing the doorbell at

56:45

the apartment I made contact with Ashley

56:48

who was obviously

56:50

upset and crying.

56:52

She stated she had recently

56:54

located pictures on the phone of

56:56

Eric s of Britney. She

57:00

she believed 2 pictures were

57:02

recent and requested

57:03

I look at them. She

57:05

then

57:05

provided me with the cell phone

57:07

and three pictures we're concerning.

57:10

And the deputy goes on to

57:12

say he asked her

57:14

whose

57:15

phone this swipes, at which time she

57:17

stated it was Eric S' phone,

57:19

Britney's husband. I asked her

57:22

why she had it and

57:24

she stated that the phone belongs

57:26

to her. However, she's

57:29

been letting Eric use

57:31

the phone. She stated she

57:33

pays for the plan, SIM card

57:35

and the phone. I asked

57:38

her how she had it

57:40

tonight. She said that

57:42

Eric had asked if he could leave the phone at

57:44

her house, plugged in while he

57:46

went to his mother's house. She

57:49

stated she found this

57:52

suspicion so she began going through his phone.

57:54

She stated that when she went

57:56

through it, she found some concerning

57:59

pictures and immediately called

58:02

us. Ashley stated she'd

58:04

been friends with Britney

58:07

for a long time. I

58:10

asked her if Eric has been saying

58:12

anything lately about Courtney being

58:14

missing, and she stated

58:16

that he has not said anything.

58:19

And that she also found that suspicious. She

58:21

stated that he does

58:24

not

58:24

bring it up. It just sits on the

58:26

couch

58:27

when he's at

58:29

her house. I informed her that I cannot look

58:31

through the phone without a search warrant

58:33

at the time. She

58:36

began going through the phone again. She

58:39

later found that the

58:42

photographs were

58:44

possibly from January of twenty eighteen,

58:46

so many months before. She

58:48

stated that I could take the phone with

58:50

me and do what I needed to do

58:54

with it.

58:54

Seeing that it belonged to her. I informed her that

58:56

before we went through the

58:57

phone, we would obtain a search warrant

58:59

if needed. She

59:02

stated she was coming in later to have an interview with

59:04

2 bulk and she would obtain

59:06

the phone later if we were done

59:09

with it. Ash provided me

59:12

with a yellow phone

59:14

active. She also provided me

59:16

with the password of the phone. I

59:20

asked Ashley if she had any

59:22

information on where Britney might

59:25

be, and she stated she didn't. All she knows is that

59:27

Britney was with Sheldon the night before she went

59:30

missing. She stated

59:32

she was acting weird when she

59:34

was at

59:35

Walmart stating she needed to hurry,

59:37

she stated that she

59:38

was at Walmart buying light bulbs at

59:40

which time Britney stated she

59:43

should come over to Sheldon's house to change

59:46

them. She stated she did

59:47

not feel comfortable doing so, so she did

59:49

not go to Sheldon's 2, and

59:52

that concludes the interview.

59:54

I wanna

59:55

address the pictures real quick

59:58

that Ashley requested law enforcement over

59:59

to or house her

1:00:02

house for We've seen

1:00:03

these pictures. As

1:00:06

Ashley

1:00:07

mentions, she discovered that the

1:00:09

pictures were over a year prior

1:00:12

to early January twenty

1:00:14

eighteen. I know that the pictures have been

1:00:16

passed around from to

1:00:18

certain individuals and I would ask anybody who does have these pictures not share

1:00:20

them. They were pictures taken

1:00:22

privately. They were not intended

1:00:24

for people

1:00:25

to see. I

1:00:26

ask anybody who does have him to

1:00:28

respect that. Eric tells her that he wants

1:00:31

to

1:00:31

leave his phone plugged 2,

1:00:33

in the charger. And

1:00:35

he's

1:00:35

gonna walk to his mom's house. I just

1:00:38

kinda find that strange. I don't know I don't know how many

1:00:40

people who say, hey, I'm gonna leave my phone here charged

1:00:42

and

1:00:43

I'm gonna go

1:00:44

to my mom's. I just find that a little odd,

1:00:46

but Ashley takes it upon herself to look

1:00:48

through the phone. I don't know, sir. I

1:00:50

just it just doesn't sit with me, see

1:00:53

something just seems off about that. I can't

1:00:55

remember anybody in my life ever saying, hey, I'm a leave

1:00:57

my phone charged him while I go home. Is it cool that

1:00:59

I leave it here? Like, why would you just take your phone

1:01:02

with you? I

1:01:02

can only think of one reason I wouldn't take my

1:01:04

phone with me, and that's

1:01:08

because I don't want my

1:01:10

location being dragged.

1:01:12

You know, if you're going home,

1:01:14

you know, our our

1:01:16

parents can sometimes be nosy. So

1:01:18

maybe you don't want your your phone

1:01:21

at home. You

1:01:23

know, at this point, he's

1:01:25

a a grown adult. Yeah. So --

1:01:28

Yeah. -- I I would say if

1:01:30

it were me, it's because I don't want my

1:01:32

location being tracked. So we have

1:01:33

the officer following up with some questions

1:01:36

to Ashley about Eric's

1:01:38

behavior. Ashley

1:01:39

tells the the

1:01:41

the officer that All he

1:01:44

does is come over to her house and

1:01:46

sits there and hasn't been saying much

1:01:48

about anything lately, and that she finds

1:01:50

it suspicious. What I

1:01:52

find odd about this whole scenario in this

1:01:55

situation is, why did you

1:01:57

call them over here? Because if

1:01:59

You recall, you said he was with you that

1:02:01

night Brittany went missing.

1:02:04

Like, you

1:02:06

don't call a law enforcement over if

1:02:08

the night she was missing. He was with you. Like, you don't even if I would have

1:02:10

found those pictures, I'd have been like, what the heck is

1:02:12

this about, which I would understand why she would

1:02:14

feel feel the way that she did, but

1:02:17

was you. Like, that completely

1:02:20

eliminates any initial thought

1:02:22

of him being involved. She

1:02:25

takes it even further in context law enforcement.

1:02:27

To me, this something just doesn't make

1:02:29

sense here.

1:02:30

Yeah. I mean, if

1:02:32

if Eric is with you that night,

1:02:34

you're together, then you know that he

1:02:36

didn't have anything

1:02:38

to do with her

1:02:40

disappearance. So

1:02:42

calling law enforcement seems strange.

1:02:46

That seems strange if Eric is

1:02:48

with you. Then

1:02:50

you know where you were and

1:02:52

you were at home supposedly on

1:02:54

the couch with Eric. And then there's

1:02:57

no reason to call law enforcement for for these photos. For thought

1:02:59

process was,

1:03:00

well, these images could be

1:03:03

what's happening now. And he's getting these images

1:03:05

now, and this is what's happening to Brit. She quickly

1:03:08

found out, those were originally come

1:03:10

those were back in, like, January of twenty

1:03:12

eighteen.

1:03:14

Right. Many months. And

1:03:15

then we have her finally talking

1:03:17

about how Brit was acting

1:03:20

when

1:03:21

she talks about acting oddly at Walmart and her going

1:03:23

by the light bulb and then Britney asking her

1:03:25

to come over so that she could help assist with

1:03:27

changing the light bulb because

1:03:29

Sheldon was there. Know, she's telling law enforcement, she didn't

1:03:31

feel comfortable about doing that going over Sheldon's, which is similar

1:03:34

to what she's told us, but we don't have a date of

1:03:36

this incident. Why

1:03:38

it's so confusing for me is because I've seen the twenty third, I've seen the twenty

1:03:40

fourth, I've seen twenty seventh, I've

1:03:43

seen twenty eighth, like,

1:03:45

what is it?

1:03:47

I see there is no

1:03:48

there is no mention of a date

1:03:50

here. She's

1:03:51

turning 2 the phone

1:03:53

that we know Josh's

1:03:54

pockets, Eric's. We know that she also had

1:03:57

a guy with Larry who

1:03:59

used

1:03:59

this phone. So

1:04:02

essentially, she's turning in a phone that has further accounts on it. At least,

1:04:05

I mean, those are just

1:04:06

the ones we know about. The officer does

1:04:09

end up leaving with this

1:04:11

phone, the Ashley's adamant that he

1:04:13

takes. And -- Yeah. -- we

1:04:15

see it entered in at five

1:04:17

forty six AM.

1:04:19

I guess my

1:04:19

last question about this interview

1:04:22

is, Eric, did you know

1:04:23

that she took

1:04:25

those pictures down? To

1:04:28

law

1:04:28

enforcement.

1:04:31

And she got

1:04:34

into your phone

1:04:36

after you'd asked her

1:04:38

to leave it charged.

1:04:40

Did you know that

1:04:41

she did that?

1:04:42

you know that she didn't

1:04:47

This next interview

1:04:52

is

1:04:52

on January twenty

1:04:54

nineteen.

1:04:55

Ashley heads down to

1:04:57

the sheriff's office for this

1:04:59

interview, and there's a lot

1:05:01

in this interview. A lot of

1:05:03

details that are that are shared, individual's names that

1:05:05

are thrown out there.

1:05:08

I don't want us to go over

1:05:09

all the details in

1:05:12

this one. I have multiple reasons

1:05:13

why, but one of the major ones is, you

1:05:16

know, we wanna go again where we

1:05:18

can find

1:05:20

facts, going all these

1:05:22

tips and rumors and rabbit trails,

1:05:25

but, you know, there are a couple things that

1:05:27

we wanna take away and

1:05:29

talk about. One thing

1:05:34

that's been discussed

1:05:37

commonly and even something I thought about early on,

1:05:39

there was a question of whether or not

1:05:41

Britney and this mystery man were

1:05:43

actually looking at breaking and entering to

1:05:45

residents thought maybe going to Johns or the

1:05:48

young kids house, like, were they trying to find a

1:05:50

house that they could break an entering into?

1:05:52

Obviously, that doesn't make sense we

1:05:54

think about it and we process, okay, why would you

1:05:56

record car if you're gonna break and enter 2? Why

1:05:58

would you call 911 Why

1:05:59

would you break and

1:06:00

enter him with your, you know, her

1:06:03

feet are bleeding, her arms are cut up,

1:06:05

you know,

1:06:05

you're providing her DNA all over the

1:06:08

house. You know, why you get on the phone with that one

1:06:10

one? That didn't really make sense, but they ask do think

1:06:12

that's what they could have been doing? This

1:06:14

interview takes place

1:06:14

on one eight, twenty nineteen.

1:06:17

And one of the

1:06:19

first things that Ashley

1:06:22

says is that somebody, the name

1:06:24

is

1:06:26

redacted, has freaked out about Britney having

1:06:28

a big mouth. That's something

1:06:30

that caught my attention right away.

1:06:33

We don't know

1:06:33

who said this or who who

1:06:36

Ashley is saying. Said this

1:06:38

because of course she's the one reporting

1:06:40

this.

1:06:40

So that's something that caught

1:06:42

my attention pretty quickly.

1:06:44

You know, to tag onto your

1:06:46

point about breaking and entering,

1:06:48

there there is a statement

1:06:52

in here from Ashley, where

1:06:55

the

1:06:57

deputy asks Ashley

1:06:58

if

1:07:01

she has any idea why Britney and this mystery man

1:07:03

would have been out in that area

1:07:05

at that time of

1:07:08

night. And he

1:07:09

asks if she thinks

1:07:11

they could have been trying to to

1:07:13

locate houses 2 break

1:07:17

into. And Ashley's response is,

1:07:20

yeah, that that wouldn't

1:07:24

surprise me. And she

1:07:26

follows that up with a

1:07:27

statement about

1:07:30

who we think she's

1:07:34

saying is Britney having stolen

1:07:36

an iPod from her.

1:07:41

Sometime the previous October,

1:07:44

she goes on to say that

1:07:46

that whole crew was

1:07:48

into breaking and entering. So

1:07:51

that was another point that that

1:07:53

kind of grabbed our attention.

1:07:55

Alright. So I wanna move on to the

1:07:57

next interview and that takes

1:07:59

place on January thirty

1:08:02

first twenty nineteen.

1:08:04

And,

1:08:06

sir, can we

1:08:08

also

1:08:09

stick to as much as to the script. I I 2 like us to

1:08:11

read this straight from

1:08:13

the case file.

1:08:17

On one

1:08:19

thirty one,

1:08:23

detective Interviewed Ashley

1:08:26

at the Surgeons Police Department.

1:08:32

Ashley stated she knows

1:08:34

Britney Shank and stated she has not known her long.

1:08:40

She stated she has known

1:08:42

her since July of twenty eighteen. She stated that Britney's husband

1:08:45

was running drugs

1:08:48

for Ashley. She stated

1:08:50

his name was David Kelner.

1:08:56

She stated that Kelner was

1:08:58

buying drugs from Ashley's husband who is known as pocket, also

1:09:01

rocket known as

1:09:04

Curtis Polly. Ashley

1:09:06

stated she met Britney at the Country hearth

1:09:07

Inn in Sturgis. She

1:09:14

stated in September or October

1:09:17

of twenty eighteen, they became

1:09:19

closer. She stated she had

1:09:22

last seen Britney on

1:09:24

eleven twenty three

1:09:27

eighteen at Walmart. With

1:09:29

Curtis Polly. She stated

1:09:31

that Britney stopped by

1:09:33

to

1:09:36

buy drugs. She stated

1:09:38

that Eric s stopped by Ashley's house and told

1:09:40

her not to

1:09:42

say that he was

1:09:44

there. Ashley thought Eric and Britney

1:09:46

were trying to work things out between the two of them.

1:09:48

She stated that

1:09:51

Britney had messaged Ashley She

1:09:54

stated that she had met Britney at

1:09:57

Walmart at approximately

1:09:59

eight

1:09:59

thirty PM. She

1:10:01

stated Britney had told her that she had only about a half hour because Sheldon wanted

1:10:04

her back.

1:10:08

She stated Britney had asked for

1:10:10

a half gram and then left. She stated this

1:10:13

occurred at her

1:10:16

residence on

1:10:16

on

1:10:17

She stated that Eric and Curtis

1:10:20

Polly

1:10:21

were at

1:10:24

the house she

1:10:26

stated her last the of eleven contact

1:10:32

thirty eighteen. When

1:10:35

Britney texted her, how are

1:10:37

you doing? Because Ashley's boyfriend

1:10:39

Curtis had been arrested.

1:10:41

Ashley stated that Britney had asked what happened to pocket because she

1:10:44

had seen Curtis had

1:10:46

been arrested on mobile patrol.

1:10:50

She thought that was odd because

1:10:53

she stated Curtis was not on

1:10:55

mobile patrol at the time.

1:10:57

Ashley stated she asked Britney if she had

1:11:00

wheels, and Britney

1:11:02

stated no in messaging. Ashley

1:11:08

talked about a recording of

1:11:10

Eric. She stated Eric the day

1:11:13

before the thirtieth, Said he

1:11:15

would have enough evidence to take his

1:11:17

sheriff's, where the car was, that

1:11:19

Britney was in. She

1:11:22

stated Eric knew who did

1:11:25

it, and she recorded

1:11:27

the conversation. Ashley stated that

1:11:29

Britney would purchase most of her

1:11:31

drugs through her. If she could

1:11:33

not purchase through Ashley, she would get them from Eric s

1:11:36

or Josh

1:11:40

bandervice who we know as Duchy.

1:11:42

She stated those were the only three people Britney

1:11:46

would buy drugs from.

1:11:48

Ashley stated that her

1:11:51

Facebook page is under Ashley. We

1:11:55

asked her if she knew anyone

1:11:58

with bleached blonde hair. And she stated the only

1:11:59

person that would maybe

1:12:01

be close to that

1:12:03

would be Larry. would

1:12:05

you larry We asked her if

1:12:08

she could contact Larry so we

1:12:10

could speak with him, and she

1:12:12

advised that

1:12:14

she could. We then went back to the last contact

1:12:16

she had with Britney,

1:12:18

and she stated on

1:12:21

eleven twenty

1:12:24

eight eighteen.

1:12:24

At approximately four thirty

1:12:26

one PM. She had her last conversation with Britney, and

1:12:29

Britney messaged her

1:12:31

for drugs. She

1:12:35

stated that Britney asked if Ashley had

1:12:37

twenty referring to two 2, and

1:12:39

Britney stated she had

1:12:42

fifty referring to fifty dollars.

1:12:44

That was the last conversation

1:12:46

she had with Britney. On the twenty eighth is the last time

1:12:49

she had

1:12:52

seen Britney. And the thirtieth

1:12:54

is the last time she had any type of contact, and that was through Facebook

1:13:00

messaging. Ashley

1:13:01

appeared to be

1:13:04

confused on the

1:13:07

dates. She initially said the last time she had physical

1:13:09

contact with Britney, was the

1:13:11

twenty third, and

1:13:14

then changed to the

1:13:15

twenty eighth. We then spoke

1:13:17

about Larry, and she stated

1:13:19

that Larry knew

1:13:22

Britney. And stated that Larry had delivered drugs

1:13:24

to Britney for Ashley in the

1:13:26

past, but not on on the

1:13:28

thirtieth

1:13:30

the thirtieth. Ashley

1:13:32

stated she had stopped talking to

1:13:34

Larry in June. And then

1:13:36

at

1:13:37

the end of November,

1:13:39

she wasn't talking to Larry. She stated

1:13:41

the last time she

1:13:42

spoke to Larry was

1:13:45

on this date of one

1:13:47

thirty nineteen. Ashley stated she

1:13:50

did get into some

1:13:52

of Britney's

1:13:55

accounts. She stated that the following account she was

1:13:57

able to get into, she

1:13:59

had paperwork that

1:14:02

Jessica Britney's mom had and the following accounts what

1:14:04

she got into. And then

1:14:06

there's a list of five accounts.

1:14:11

We advised her that we did not want her getting into her account because

1:14:14

that would show in any investigation we

1:14:16

were doing and

1:14:18

could make the investigation

1:14:20

confusing. We asked

1:14:22

Ashley if she would be willing to have our phone forensic analyst download her

1:14:25

phone, and she advised

1:14:27

that she would. and she advised

1:14:30

that she would On two one

1:14:32

nineteen. Ashley came to

1:14:34

the Saint Joseph County

1:14:38

Sheriff department and signed a consent to search

1:14:40

electronic data storage media,

1:14:42

which was her Samsung

1:14:46

Galaxy s nine. The deputy extracted the information and

1:14:48

the phone was turned back over

1:14:50

to Ashley on two one nineteen.

1:14:52

2 of

1:14:55

the consent form in the release of property will

1:14:57

be attached. And speaking with

1:15:00

Ashley, Ashley stated that she

1:15:02

did not have any first ten knowledge of the disappearance

1:15:04

of Britney Schenge. She stated

1:15:06

she would hear things and

1:15:10

put things she heard together to come up

1:15:12

with a theory. We advised her that

1:15:14

if she did have any factual

1:15:17

information, do not interfere

1:15:19

with the investigation and she

1:15:22

stated that she understood that. The interview

1:15:25

was

1:15:26

ended with Ashley.

1:15:30

Well,

1:15:30

there's a lot to unpack there.

1:15:32

Like many of the listeners you guys might

1:15:34

have to go back and listen

1:15:37

again to some of those key points

1:15:39

in her interview. What we'll

1:15:41

do now

1:15:42

is break

1:15:43

it down. One of the

1:15:45

first things that Ashley says

1:15:47

to hasn't known bringing it that

1:15:49

long since July of twenty eighteen.

1:15:52

And that twenty eight clearly

1:15:55

kinda just contradicts everything up until this point. You know,

1:15:57

we have a situation where you're portraying to

1:15:59

be Britain's sister. You've

1:16:03

known Britney a long time is what you said

1:16:05

in a different interview. To the

1:16:07

rest of the

1:16:10

world, you have us believing to this day that you

1:16:12

guys are like best

1:16:13

friends. And then you come in

1:16:16

and say, you have a number that

1:16:18

long. I get people could be close, but they

1:16:20

haven't known each other along. I get

1:16:22

that. But just seems like you're a

1:16:25

drug supplier at this point. And then she

1:16:27

kinda really throws us for a

1:16:29

spin

1:16:29

when she says, Britt's

1:16:32

husband, David

1:16:34

Kelner, I imagine that she meant to say Daniel

1:16:36

and maybe they heard

1:16:38

it wrong, whatever. But

1:16:40

David Keltoner is not

1:16:42

her husband. And she knows that because she was

1:16:44

with her husband on the thirtieth. Yeah. I

1:16:46

actually was with Britney's husband on the

1:16:50

thirtieth. Yeah. So

1:16:51

why you're referring to her husband as David

1:16:53

Kelder in this? Like, you're

1:16:55

you're making things confusing?

1:16:58

Ashley says, oh, her husband

1:17:00

is she she refers to his pocket.

1:17:02

You guys aren't married.

1:17:03

Why are you why are

1:17:05

you saying these things? I I

1:17:07

to 2, that's where I'm like, you're confusing this for

1:17:09

a reason. It seems

1:17:12

like. I mean, it's a simple question. When's the last

1:17:14

time you saw your best friend that were missing?

1:17:16

Right? When's the last

1:17:18

time you saw him? She says last time she saw Brett was November

1:17:21

twenty third

1:17:24

twenty eighteen. Good.

1:17:26

We got the same day except now that the situation has changed again. You say, it's not just you at

1:17:28

Walmart. You now bring

1:17:30

pocket with you this time.

1:17:35

On the twenty third to get a light bulb. In the case filed,

1:17:37

they don't really reference going inside to purchase

1:17:39

the light bulb. They

1:17:41

don't reference Britney, when she's inside and

1:17:43

she's trying to hand all these light bulbs to Ashley

1:17:45

saying, is this one gonna work? Is this one gonna

1:17:47

work? And Ashley's like, I'm high, and I'm telling

1:17:49

her to chill out. She doesn't reference any of

1:17:52

that stuff. No. She doesn't reference. They don't

1:17:54

reference the light bulb at all, actually. Then the story takes a turn because then

1:17:56

she says that this

1:17:58

takes place

1:17:59

at

1:17:59

her house.

1:18:03

It's confusing with how it's worded, but Ashley

1:18:06

shares

1:18:06

that Brit was stopped

1:18:09

by to purchase drugs

1:18:11

And also, Eric stated when he had stopped

1:18:13

by Ashley's house not to

1:18:15

tell

1:18:15

Britney that he's

1:18:18

there. At Ashley's.

1:18:20

Now we've heard that story before. The other part

1:18:22

of it where

1:18:22

you say Britney said that when she

1:18:25

came to visit you earlier in

1:18:27

the day. And this is supposed to be on the third. Why didn't she

1:18:29

tell law enforcement that

1:18:30

Britney also said, don't tell

1:18:34

Eric I'm here. You're only putting it

1:18:36

out

1:18:36

that Eric said that. Going

1:18:38

back to the location, she

1:18:39

said she met Brit at Walmart

1:18:41

at eight thirty pm, but then again, the location changes

1:18:44

this drug transaction. But of

1:18:46

this November twenty third meeting

1:18:48

at Walmart, it

1:18:50

then changes on here to

1:18:52

lower court, which is where she

1:18:54

would live at Village Manor Apartments. She also mentions Eric and Pocket Bean at

1:18:57

eric and pocket been the

1:18:59

apartment or

1:18:59

the villager apartments where she stays when

1:19:01

Britney stops by. Right. In the

1:19:04

original

1:19:04

story,

1:19:06

or I I don't know if it's even

1:19:08

the original story anymore. But

1:19:10

in one of the stories, she

1:19:13

says

1:19:14

that Britney wants her to come over to Sheldon's and Sheldon has tools and can,

1:19:19

you know, how put the

1:19:21

light bulb in, and she says that she doesn't need to. She doesn't choose

1:19:23

her own tools. But, you know,

1:19:26

Eric and pocket her at

1:19:30

her apartment and, you know, they could help if

1:19:32

if needed. See, so go back to,

1:19:34

like, that whole comment that she made.

1:19:36

And that's where I feel like, you

1:19:39

you're slipping up on You had

1:19:40

said the reason why you didn't want

1:19:42

Britney to go to your house on the

1:19:44

evening of her around

1:19:45

at eight o'clock where she's

1:19:48

saying, hey, she wanted to stop

1:19:50

by and Britney's reason was because she wanted to see her house. That's literally what she says when Britney had

1:19:52

already been over there and

1:19:54

stayed over there multiple times apparently.

1:19:57

If

1:19:58

Britney was over there earlier

1:19:59

in the day to get drugs, why did she need

1:20:02

to meet with you again at night to get

1:20:04

drugs? Right? Because she says Britney comes

1:20:06

over earlier, she says, don't tell Eric, that I'm here. Well, she gets her drugs,

1:20:08

leaves, and then she needs to meet with her again

1:20:10

later on that evening to get more drugs. I'd 2.

1:20:14

And then the detective goes wants to circle

1:20:16

back to or when's the last time

1:20:18

she had had contact with Britney? And

1:20:20

she states that it was

1:20:22

on now November twenty eighth. We've

1:20:24

seen that conversation where Britney is looking to purchase more

1:20:27

drugs from Ashley, and it's the whole stance that

1:20:29

Ashley takes that. That's not that

1:20:31

wasn't Brit on there. That's

1:20:34

not Britney behind that Facebook messenger messaging me

1:20:36

saying she needs she has twenty five

1:20:38

and then she has fifty. She

1:20:41

tells them about that, but Ashley doesn't tell law

1:20:44

enforcement, that's not my friend.

1:20:46

Yeah. There's no mention of

1:20:47

her thinking that

1:20:50

that wasn't Britney contacting

1:20:52

her. And

1:20:52

they continue as they wrote on the 28th is

1:20:54

the last time she had seen Britney and the thirtieth is the

1:20:56

last time she had any type of

1:20:58

contact and that was through Facebook

1:21:04

messaging. You've

1:21:04

known this that you had contact

1:21:07

with her on the thirtieth.

1:21:09

You've known this the entire time. You've intentionally lied to me and told

1:21:11

me that the last time you had contact with

1:21:14

her was on the twenty

1:21:16

eighth, but you

1:21:18

didn't think that that was her, so

1:21:20

it was really this twenty third now. You have

1:21:22

her messaging you the day of her disappearance.

1:21:25

Asking

1:21:26

you about pocket. And you chose to forget that information.

1:21:28

2

1:21:32

then remember when I'm up there

1:21:34

back in February, you recall now that she messaged you

1:21:37

on the day of

1:21:39

the thirtieth? Like, If you're if

1:21:42

you think that you're good at being an investigator in this and or that you think that you're doing a good job, you're

1:21:44

not. You

1:21:48

should not forget that information, especially when

1:21:50

you're inserting yourself and

1:21:50

you get your hand in this as much

1:21:54

as you do. Let's go back to that last comment the thirtieth

1:22:00

communication. When I'm

1:22:01

standing in front

1:22:04

of her, And we're talking

1:22:06

about your last the last time you communicated with Britney.

1:22:08

time you communicated with britney

1:22:12

I'm telling her, like, hey, I

1:22:14

don't see your communication. First of all, we don't see your conversation history with Britney.

1:22:16

But she makes

1:22:19

a point to say, that

1:22:22

wasn't on Facebook. That

1:22:25

wasn't text

1:22:26

message. There are

1:22:28

things that you

1:22:30

have that I have found to be different from your

1:22:32

own words, from, like,

1:22:34

last month. For example, when's the

1:22:36

last time you saw a brick? What

1:22:39

date? Twenty third. That's what we told

1:22:41

you. Bullshit. I don't really have it

1:22:43

on video. What time? You told me

1:22:45

today? When's the last time you actually

1:22:47

texted me to Rick? Was last time she

1:22:49

text messaging. We 2 even finish that conversation. When? What day? No. What day? I will

1:22:51

not answer this one if I can answer. It was a whole fucking

1:22:53

What I said? Told me she texted you early morning

1:22:56

of the 30th.

1:22:58

You said the last time you talked about tonight on the twenty seventh.

1:23:00

Right? Do you want the rest of

1:23:02

that? Why is it changing? Because

1:23:05

that's not Britney. Why does it

1:23:07

change?

1:23:08

It's not changing

1:23:09

if you listen to

1:23:11

the whole fucking thing.

1:23:15

Now, this is have to

1:23:16

listen to the whole

1:23:18

thing. It's not bringing

1:23:21

up this with my mom. That

1:23:23

was after Facebook. That was

1:23:26

text message from now.

1:23:28

And, no, the very last

1:23:30

message between Britney

1:23:31

and I is not Britney,

1:23:33

and I said that. I said that

1:23:35

to the cops. You said to me when she texted you you have something? She's

1:23:37

2 said no. She

1:23:39

didn't said I've done got

1:23:42

fifties, so I still got them. That

1:23:44

was not Britney, and I said that to the cops. Hold on.

1:23:46

That was grandma grandpa, Scott, to nephew, the cousins, they've

1:23:51

seen Britney face to face to, I mean, they have she's

1:23:55

alive. That is Britney.

1:23:56

worthy

1:23:58

No. Those last

1:23:59

messages were

1:24:00

not Britney. I didn't know

1:24:03

that. Because of what was

1:24:05

said. What was said? She

1:24:07

said I got fifty. Said, I got nothing but

1:24:09

bad luck. Yeah. If that were my friend, she would not have upped the ante. She would

1:24:11

have said talk to me. 2,

1:24:16

when I told Eric Baugh,

1:24:18

he got some weird messages

1:24:20

too that he said

1:24:22

we're not from Britain either. Why

1:24:25

are your messages

1:24:27

gone? They're not.

1:24:30

Why are they gone? 2

1:24:33

not gone. Every message

1:24:35

between her

1:24:37

and I is

1:24:40

still around because of

1:24:46

me. When

1:24:50

law

1:24:52

enforcement asked if she knew of

1:24:54

any male that had bleach blonde

1:24:56

hair, She

1:25:00

says Larry is the only

1:25:02

person that she can

1:25:03

think of. Here's the

1:25:05

interesting thing about Larry. Is

1:25:07

that Larry was, like I said, they

1:25:10

were close friends. We've heard Larry's interview.

1:25:12

And As

1:25:15

we break down Larry's interview here, Ashley in

1:25:17

her own words said Larry

1:25:19

Yu delivered for

1:25:23

her. And not only did you deliver for Ashley,

1:25:25

but you delivered directly

1:25:28

to Britney, 2 in

1:25:31

your interview with law enforcement,

1:25:34

you never told law

1:25:36

enforcement you delivered drugs to

1:25:38

Britney. Why didn't you tell

1:25:40

law

1:25:41

enforcement that Larry? Did

1:25:43

you know that

1:25:44

Ashley said this about

1:25:46

you? Where did you deliver those drugs to? Because

1:25:49

you said you'd never

1:25:51

been to

1:25:52

Grammas. Their

1:25:55

relationship about it gets really

1:25:57

confusing between Ashley and Larry

1:25:59

because when they ask about

1:26:02

their communication how what's the relationship look like today, I

1:26:04

guess. They stopped talking in June, but

1:26:06

we don't have a year specified. Also

1:26:08

says that they stopped talking

1:26:10

at the end of November. Followed

1:26:13

by last time that last time that they spoke was

1:26:15

on January thirtieth twenty nineteen, which is

1:26:17

a day before this

1:26:19

interview takes place.

1:26:21

What did

1:26:22

you need to talk to Larry about

1:26:24

the day before

1:26:25

this meeting? What was that conversation like?

1:26:26

Oh, when the

1:26:27

law enforcement asked did

1:26:29

she access any of Britney's accounts and

1:26:31

she list off four different accounts here? You

1:26:35

found it necessary contact law enforcement back

1:26:38

on what January second when you find those pictures on Eric's

1:26:40

phone. But yet, you knew that

1:26:42

that timing of that photo wasn't

1:26:46

gonna

1:26:46

line up. You felt

1:26:47

it was necessary to share the recording of

1:26:49

Eric Glide with Britney's mom, Jessica, because you

1:26:51

felt the mother needed to hear 2 and

1:26:54

she deserved to hear it first. have her account

1:26:56

information and you've logged into them, you you're

1:26:58

letting law enforcement, you successfully logged into

1:27:02

them. Why didn't you ever, like, say, hey, I

1:27:04

gained access. You guys need

1:27:06

to have this information. Seems

1:27:09

like you need to be in

1:27:11

control. Why wouldn't you, you

1:27:11

know, if you're if you have access,

1:27:14

like you said, why wouldn't you

1:27:16

immediately give it

1:27:18

to law enforcement? But

1:27:20

for somebody

1:27:21

who thought that Jessica

1:27:23

needed to have that recording

1:27:24

of Glide

1:27:26

before law enforcement did. Why

1:27:31

would you

1:27:31

not think that her mother

1:27:34

might like to have this?

1:27:36

She gained

1:27:37

access to bringing

1:27:39

his accounts because of the

1:27:42

documents that Jessica provided to her. Right.

1:27:44

You're not

1:27:46

telling the truth,

1:27:47

dude. Right. You

1:27:51

obviously gained all this information from

1:27:53

Sheldon because you guys wanted to have

1:27:55

those passwords. From Jessica,

1:27:57

we know that

1:27:59

Jessica took those

1:27:59

notebooks, the information, and she took

1:28:02

it directly to the sheriff's 2,

1:28:05

and we can corroborate that.

1:28:07

With the information that we have in the case file? She takes it

1:28:09

not only to law

1:28:10

enforcement as soon as she gets it

1:28:12

from Sheldon, but then she meets up

1:28:14

with Eric and Ashley. And they know

1:28:16

by the tenth, Jessica already took those

1:28:18

and turned them in. Why you're leading on

1:28:20

law enforcement to believe

1:28:23

that you gain access because

1:28:25

of what Jessica provided to you. It's

1:28:27

misleading. Law enforcement actually ends up giving her a day.

1:28:29

Instead of following her back to

1:28:31

her house to retrieve

1:28:34

her phone. Why'd

1:28:36

you go to the

1:28:37

sheriff's office to their phone?

1:28:39

Let me

1:28:40

me clarify that a

1:28:42

little bit. She says this is her

1:28:44

phone. You know, whether

1:28:46

this is

1:28:47

the the phone that

1:28:49

she actually is day to

1:28:52

day using Who knows? People have burner phones,

1:28:54

you know,

1:28:54

whatever? Well, you obviously have one that you've

1:28:57

lent out to

1:29:00

other people to use, you you let you

1:29:02

did turn that in. Let we're not gonna act ignorance the fact that what you're turning in

1:29:04

doesn't necessarily mean that

1:29:05

that's the phone you've

1:29:07

been using. Correct. Correct. She returns

1:29:09

the next day with this phone, turns it in, they take a scan from it, and then give her the

1:29:11

phone back. If you knew you're about to

1:29:14

turn it into device that had incriminating

1:29:16

2, and

1:29:19

I had a day. At

1:29:20

the end

1:29:21

of this interview, law enforcement

1:29:23

makes it very

1:29:26

clear want that they want two

1:29:28

things from her 2

1:29:30

that's to stay out of the accounts and not

1:29:33

to interfere in

1:29:36

their investigation.

1:29:38

That seems

1:29:38

to be two things. She

1:29:42

has directly

1:29:43

disobeyed. You know,

1:29:45

here we are in

1:29:47

twenty And it seems like

1:29:50

that those orders,

1:29:50

you know, when they're telling her

1:29:54

2 two things, she

1:29:56

seems not

1:29:57

to all of those directions. We

1:29:59

know that

1:29:59

that's actually

1:30:01

in Brady's

1:30:03

account in July of twenty nineteen. Yeah.

1:30:06

We

1:30:06

know that they questioned

1:30:08

Daniel AKA

1:30:12

cage about possibly being the person who got

1:30:14

into Brittany's account in during that summer in

1:30:15

July of twenty nineteen. But this is

1:30:18

the

1:30:18

last interview with Ashley.

1:30:21

They never even called her back in

1:30:23

to discuss why she was back in the account again and

1:30:27

what she discovered. They questioned Daniel,

1:30:29

but this is the last interview. She hasn't talked

1:30:31

to him

1:30:32

since January 2

1:30:35

first of twenty nineteen. We

1:30:38

haven't seen it anywhere in the case

1:30:40

file to show that she's had any more communication. Why didn't they question

1:30:42

her in July twenty nineteen? Howard Bauchner: You know, we have

1:30:46

evidence logs, and

1:30:48

we don't see anything coming

1:30:51

in

1:30:51

from from her

1:30:53

own evidence logs either.

1:30:55

There's a confidence that she

1:30:55

walks with because no one's holding

1:30:58

her accountable to

1:30:58

this. She's obviously interfering

1:31:00

with

1:31:01

an investigation. We don't

1:31:03

have Brits accounts, guys. 2

1:31:06

are very critical. All social media platforms that someone's using when they go missing

1:31:09

are a piece

1:31:12

of

1:31:12

evidence. Why

1:31:14

they're not questioning Ashley about her involvement in Britney's Facebook account and getting in there? And they have a private investigator.

1:31:19

Rockford tells them on

1:31:22

the ninth or tenth of July.

1:31:24

That's Ashley. Why wasn't she questioned? I

1:31:26

mean, not only does he tell them that,

1:31:28

but he

1:31:30

has the proof to to back that statement

1:31:32

up because, you know, she

1:31:34

comes in and and says, yeah, that

1:31:36

was me. Now we're gonna

1:31:38