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What's up shitheads? Welcome back to

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another episode of High and Mighty. It's

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me, your boy, the number

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one fuck boy, Johnny

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G, standing six foot two, 297 pounds from

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the South Shore of Nassau County,

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Gabris. All you got to do

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is trust me. Jackson Maine from A

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figure out a new person to be in this? Aren't

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you super dated? Abortion is healthcare.

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Okay. I agree with you there. Thank

1:51

you very much. Also joining me in the High and

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Mighty Studios, my newly silent co-host, Arthur Gabris.

1:55

Arthur, give him a shout out. I'm actually

1:57

not even recording at home, so Arthur isn't.

1:59

here but also joining me in the High

2:02

and Mighty Studios first time guest

2:04

legends of the industry we got James

2:06

and Chelsea from Dead Meat.

2:08

Hey that

2:10

was pretty obnoxious nice man I told you

2:13

you hyped it up as an obnoxious intro

2:16

and yeah it was up there I'm glad my

2:18

prep work wasn't a lie yeah I

2:20

found that honesty upfront honesty works

2:23

best are

2:25

those stats true are those accurate stats those

2:28

are up to date stats I haven't weighed myself

2:30

in about a week but I did add three

2:32

pounds from the last time I weighed myself based on

2:34

my behavior. Oh yeah dude

2:37

high school

2:45

football when I played in again 20

2:48

plus years ago in the program you

2:50

put your size and there was no way

2:52

this many high school juniors and seniors

2:55

were six foot tall 220 pounds but

2:58

everybody like everybody's and you want

3:00

to sound intimidating to the other team so I

3:02

think I was like I mean I was way smaller back

3:05

then so I was probably like 220 but

3:07

I definitely had six to 250 listed

3:09

and I was probably like right six foot 220 well

3:12

it's all it's all PSYOPs man you got intimidate

3:14

the other the opponent yeah they're gonna be like

3:16

what really it's it where's

3:18

it all packed all right fuck you busted me

3:21

I'm actually only five five 110 pounds

3:23

but I did I mean that

3:25

just to like getting you get you guys

3:27

in your head so I can establish dominance early

3:29

in the conversation it worked

3:32

I'm intimidated so

3:35

listeners of the pod know that I talked to

3:38

the guests ahead of time to like nail down a subject

3:40

and you guys have such

3:42

like a wide swath of horror

3:45

movie and horror adjacent stuff that

3:47

you're interested in that you're talking about constantly

3:50

for a living it's your brand

3:52

as kids would say it's your vibe

3:54

it's our aesthetic yes

3:57

exactly it's yeah that's more

3:59

kids it's your It's your vibe. We're

4:01

giving horror Mother

4:06

and father of horror honestly 100%

4:09

we get that Well,

4:15

I am a horror movie fan

4:17

and you know and haunts and spooky

4:20

events and You know real life

4:22

ghost stories paranormal. I'm into all of that

4:24

shit But when we were talking we

4:26

landed on sort of best and worst horror

4:29

movie experiences and this

4:31

really intrigued me because I Haven't

4:34

seen it yet But a lot of the talk

4:37

the the buzz around Terrifier

4:39

too was that people were having like

4:41

visceral physical reactions to it

4:43

and that got me thinking about like

4:46

times and seeing Movies and shared

4:48

experiences and what that meant. So when you guys threw

4:50

that out there, I just wrote back like fuck Yes,

4:52

let's go. But nice shout

4:54

out to our assistant Fiona for coming up with that idea

4:58

Yeah, you emailed us and I was like she

5:00

was like they need an idea and I was like, honestly

5:02

Fiona My brain's just not working right now. So could you just

5:04

come up with something and she did? Yeah, like awesome

5:07

I was trying to book the the

5:09

people called dead meat in the late

5:11

October of Halloween season So

5:14

your brain should not be still working at this

5:16

point. Yes, but let's let's

5:19

get into it Because I like

5:21

you said best and worst and honestly,

5:24

I Think mine

5:26

might be the same. I mean, I've had

5:28

good and bad experiences But like oh

5:30

one like one encompasses

5:33

both of those things Yeah, because worst

5:35

I guess when you're talking about horror movies

5:38

that might be added benefit I

5:40

guess like it is in

5:42

the capacity I'm thinking of you know, I'll

5:44

just I'll just kick off interrupt me

5:46

whenever and Just while

5:49

you guys think about what yours experiences might be

5:52

I saw

5:54

Blair which project in the theater on

5:57

in 1999 at nice

5:59

at 16 or 17 years old with

6:02

my then girlfriend and Pre

6:06

media training pre understanding

6:08

you thought it was real I fully

6:11

thought I was seeing a documentary then that

6:13

like during it I was like maybe this isn't

6:15

but it didn't matter at that point. I was

6:18

so Fucking

6:20

scared and I was into horror movies, but

6:22

like they did scare me I do let myself get scared

6:25

now as an a 40 year old man I have to

6:27

use like some THC and

6:29

some you know some like Relaxation

6:32

techniques to fully get caught up and

6:34

maybe get scared in a movie but

6:36

when I saw it then I Remember

6:39

still and now this is God knows

6:41

how long ago at this point. This is 20 plus years ago 25

6:44

years ago. I Every

6:48

time it became daytime

6:50

in the movie I felt such

6:52

a palpable relief in

6:55

the crowd me and my girlfriend at the

6:57

time I would be like We would like

7:00

Huge exhale every time they like

7:02

survived the night and

7:05

I was so caught up in the movie and Again,

7:07

this is where we were hearing buzz that people were fainting

7:10

people were barfing It

7:12

is an early in the found footage world

7:15

So like there's that layer of like that's kind

7:17

of hard for some people motion sickness wise

7:20

and then also just The

7:22

visceral like this is real. This is real

7:25

and it was such an intense

7:28

experience. I Remember

7:30

when we went outside and it was still

7:32

daylight cuz like we had gone to like

7:35

a matinee I like teared

7:37

up because I was like thank fucking

7:39

God and I'm trying to be a little macho

7:42

my girlfriend My girlfriend's like a year

7:44

older than me and like cool Like

7:46

she smoked cigarettes and had a tongue ring and

7:49

her parents were divorced and she did kickboxing

7:51

and I was like a little surfer Nerd

7:54

and I was so I was

7:56

so relieved that it was daylight out. I

7:58

remember like up thinking like

8:00

I wouldn't have been able to handle the

8:03

nighttime. And then like hiding

8:05

this from her and not

8:07

fully being my authentic self and being like I was

8:09

scared shitless trying to have some layer of

8:11

lying to her and shit. And so

8:14

overall, and I've had and

8:17

we'll get into more other experiences, but that's just

8:19

the first one that came to mind. And it is

8:21

one of those things I feel like that young kids,

8:24

it's like a weird brag. Like it's like being at Woodstock.

8:27

I saw Blair

8:29

Witch in the theater opening day without

8:32

understanding it was a movie. Yeah,

8:35

that's awesome.

8:36

Yeah, I wasn't

8:38

old enough to see it in theaters, but

8:40

I was old enough to know what it was

8:43

and be aware of it. And I was like, Oh yeah,

8:45

that's real.

8:45

Yeah, I didn't see it in theaters, but I definitely

8:48

thought it was real. I think by the time I saw

8:50

it on home video, I probably knew it was not

8:52

real, but same.

8:53

I saw it for the first time

8:55

as just an adult and

8:58

I knew it wasn't real. I still, that's

9:00

one of the only movies where I've slept with a light

9:02

on.

9:02

I kept her up at night. I couldn't

9:04

just whoa. Yeah, for sure.

9:06

Because we had moved in. We had just moved

9:09

into an apartment together and we barely

9:11

had any furniture. And I remember we were

9:13

sleeping on a mattress on the floor in just

9:15

a room with nothing in it.

9:17

That's objectively spooky.

9:19

Just laying awake and thinking

9:22

about the last shot of that movie where he's

9:24

facing the wall and I just kept

9:26

staring at the corner of our

9:28

bedroom, just this blank wall. And

9:30

I was like, now I got to

9:33

sit up in the living room with the light

9:35

on. Chelsea, it's funny you bring up that

9:37

corner move. I went to

9:40

college and my freshman year was

9:42

in the year 2000, very close to, and one of the

9:45

biggest gags you could do would be like,

9:48

wait in your common area, wait facing

9:50

the corner knowing your roommate should come home and

9:53

flick the light on. And I used to do it fully

9:55

nude. That was like my moment. I

9:57

would stand fully naked in the corner of a room.

10:00

room facing in or facing out for extra

10:02

fear. And, uh, my roommates

10:04

would come on, like flick the lights and then like leap

10:06

in fear and like that you,

10:09

I like that slipped my mind while we were, I was just

10:11

talking about the movie that is absolutely iconic.

10:14

Yeah. Absolutely. It's

10:16

weirdly so neutered.

10:18

Like the idea

10:20

of like, what if you saw someone staring

10:22

in the corner? You're like, that doesn't sound

10:24

scary on paper. Then you see it and you're like, I'm

10:26

going to have fucking nightmares about this image.

10:29

It's great. Yep. Great filming. It's

10:32

set up ahead of time in the beginning where they're

10:34

like telling the story about, Oh yeah, that's how they

10:36

kill people is they put one in a corner while they kill

10:39

the other and that's it. They don't like bring it back

10:41

up. It's just that one reference. But

10:43

even if you forget about it, it's still a scary

10:45

visual in that frigging house. Oh, it's

10:48

so good. Oh man. When

10:51

you talked about leaving the theater and being glad it was

10:53

day, it did remind me of when we saw it follows

10:55

in theater. Yeah, I was just thinking of that too. We

10:57

left and that was like a probably like a close

10:59

to midnight screening, late screening. And

11:02

we left and it was, I mean, I

11:04

forget who was driving, but one of us took a wrong

11:06

turn

11:06

somewhere and we ended up in these kind of weird,

11:09

we were at the, uh, where was it? The Sherman Oaks

11:11

Galleria. We ended up in kind of the

11:13

weird little neighborhood behind it on accident.

11:16

And we just got a little bit lost. We

11:19

got fucking scared in a car in LA

11:23

just a little bit lost. 30s or

11:25

whatever that came out. That was, that was a 2014.

11:28

So we would still been little cherubs,

11:30

but, uh, we're still just

11:32

like that movie was unsettling and then

11:35

got a little lost and it was scary. That

11:37

movie is got that layer of what's

11:40

scary about that movie is the reveals

11:42

of the it following is just

11:45

a person standing there. It could be anyone.

11:47

Yeah. Right. And so that's something that even

11:49

in LA and in the Sherman Oaks Galleria,

11:52

you could look when you're going to find

11:54

your car, you could look down the parking lot lane and

11:56

see a person standing there. Yes. They might just

11:58

be walking to their car. But that is the

12:01

imagery from it like that's what those filmmakers

12:03

got so right is there is something

12:05

terrifying of just like a silhouette I'm

12:07

just like that's a person. Why are they

12:09

not moving? Why are they not moving or why are

12:11

they just so paranoid? You know while watching the movie

12:13

you're like it's that person in the background it like they're kind

12:15

of walking towards it It's so

12:17

weird that both the things that are

12:19

really scary from it follows and Blair which

12:21

are just a person standing where they're not Supposed

12:24

to well no it follows. They're always moving. That's

12:26

true. Yeah, they're always moving towards you

12:28

I guess cuz like you go through your day-to-day

12:30

life and there is an expected flow

12:32

of

12:33

where people are You

12:36

know where they're supposed to be walking

12:38

not directly towards you

12:41

Disruption of that is

12:43

what is like so

12:45

that key. Yeah. Well, I think the description disruption

12:48

of that too Is there is that like there's

12:50

no engagement? Yeah, so

12:52

like what normally if someone's walking if if

12:54

you and I I understand when

12:56

I speak to this I'm speaking with male privilege

12:58

and specifically 62 295 pound extra bit of privilege

13:05

Of walking alone somewhere and one

13:07

other person is walking there now

13:11

That if they don't engage if they

13:13

don't acknowledge that you're there It

13:16

feels extra terrifying Yeah,

13:19

especially if they're like like if they're

13:22

just kind of ignoring you that's one thing but with

13:24

it follows It's like they're coming at

13:26

you and like looking at you, but with a blank look

13:28

exactly Yeah And that's the the unnatural

13:31

part of it and there it's like a split

13:33

the difference kind of situation too because if they're paying Too

13:35

much attention to you as you walk up. That's

13:38

an extra layer of terrifying and

13:40

so you have to like Realize

13:43

of like I know you're there, but I am minding

13:45

my own business you do the same Yeah,

13:47

like a head nod or something Yeah, that

13:50

movie figured that out that it's like like

13:52

if if there's nothing scarier like

13:54

I mean Romero knew it too

13:57

like just a slow prodding slow

13:59

plotting person and you're going like, hello,

14:01

hello, and there's no reaction,

14:04

that's absolutely horrifying.

14:07

And that's just a fellow person walking at

14:09

you. And these movies sorted that out. And

14:12

now we're getting a sequel made to that. I know,

14:14

I'm super stoked. Yeah, I'm really fed about that. Oh, it

14:16

follows, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they follow. I

14:18

think that's so funny, that's amazing. It's

14:20

about non-binary entities.

14:23

Yes. Yeah. They

14:25

then follow us, yeah. For sure. There

14:30

was that they slash them movie that I never got the

14:33

same for the Kevin Bacon. Oh,

14:35

I never saw it, yeah. Yeah,

14:37

I think that was 2022 when it was

14:39

just like a glut of horror films the

14:41

whole year. Because they were sitting on all of them for so long. Yeah,

14:44

which I imagine will probably be the case again in 2025,

14:47

looks like next year will probably be low. A

14:51

Baron Halloween followed by a Bountiful

14:54

Halloween. Well, knowing

14:56

fucking Hollywood, they

14:58

dropped fucking horror movies in like January and

15:00

shit now too. It's like, I saw the- Well, yeah,

15:02

spread them out, there's so many. Because I think Scream 6

15:05

came out in January this year. Yeah. Megan

15:07

came out in January for sure. Yeah. I

15:10

saw Megan, here's

15:13

a great horror movie while we're talking just

15:15

on the topic we're discussing. I saw Megan

15:18

with a group of friends of mine who all happen,

15:21

I mean, I have a bunch of friends who are gay and

15:23

trans and non-binary, but this

15:26

group of friends is mostly that

15:28

and they invited me and my wife,

15:31

you know, like- Oh, what an honor. Classic couple of- Be

15:33

Megan with them. White's his head. And then it

15:35

turned out the whole theater, I

15:37

didn't understand that Megan was already

15:40

a gay icon like all three of us. Yeah, I know, I

15:42

know, I know, I know, I know, she is. Dude,

15:45

it was such a fucking experience.

15:47

The movie was so good already. Yeah.

15:50

And then on top of

15:51

it, a crowd can really,

15:53

more often than not, it can enhance your viewing

15:55

experience. Sometimes it can detract from it a

15:57

little bit, but the-

16:00

When she starts singing bulletproof

16:03

Theater

16:05

sang along in such a way like

16:08

from the jump that I was like, oh my

16:10

fucking god and it was and there's

16:13

just that moment in Megan where she

16:15

appears in the woods and like her little and Like

16:18

her little like pea coat and she's just standing

16:21

there. Oh my gosh You're out and that

16:23

is like a full-blown

16:25

laugh out loud But horror

16:28

movie jump scare at the same time and

16:30

like Megan just did this thing that

16:32

threaded that needle and I think horror movies do this

16:35

really well where they can be funny because

16:37

that Laugh and that scare

16:39

reaction are so close to each other in in

16:41

our biology. Yeah But

16:44

Megan did this thing with its tone where

16:46

it just read it up You never laughed

16:49

at the movie it like knew what it

16:51

was the whole time Sometimes horror

16:53

movies can get you to like you're laughing like

16:55

you're I'm at the nun to I'm enjoying

16:57

myself But I'm laughing at it a little

16:59

bit. Okay. Yeah, but Megan I'm

17:01

never laughing at I'm always like and

17:04

I'm like this is a fucking bullseye

17:07

of Same

17:10

writer for both. Kayla Cooper wrote

17:12

both of those. So I we haven't

17:14

seen the nun to yet But that

17:16

laugh may have been intentional and

17:18

knowing since it was the same Also

17:21

wrote

17:22

malignant which I think malignant

17:24

is a perfect

17:25

Yeah, I think it has the same

17:27

kind of knowing like what it is Yeah

17:29

element to it and I didn't know that going

17:32

into malignant. Yeah me neither the first time I watched

17:34

I was like What is this a bad

17:36

movie and by the end? I was like kinda

17:39

but in in a good way if like it knows

17:41

what it is the first big

17:43

like clue that something is when

17:45

she parks at like the Asylum

17:48

and it's yeah on a cliff and there's

17:50

lightning and there's just like this one Gothic

17:52

building and when that happened, I was like

17:54

what I said to my wife I was like it

17:56

was a bigger horror movie head than I am. I'm like, what

17:58

the fuck is going on?

17:59

in this movie and then for the rest of the movie we were

18:02

like this fucking rules

18:04

I think for me watching the lignite the

18:06

moment where I was like what is this is when

18:09

she tells her sister she's like

18:11

I'm adopted and it's like this like traumatic

18:14

push-in on her sister wall the pixie

18:16

song cover starts playing it's

18:19

just like this huge moment I thought that

18:21

was fucking hilarious

18:21

That's a giant fight in the women's prison

18:24

like yeah so good I was Gabriel

18:26

for Halloween that year too

18:28

Yeah, she's running around backwards

18:30

with a face from... I had like a leg with a face, I

18:32

had a friend make me a face to go on the back

18:34

of my head and it was I wore like a backwards

18:36

coat

18:36

and had like a gold knife and

18:38

everything Oh that's awesome yeah

18:41

And I was that year I was Dwayne from Basket

18:43

Case because that's what that movie is and

18:46

that movie is yeah and that movie is

18:48

just... They're very similar I feel like if you don't know

18:50

Frank Hennenlotter and his types of movies

18:53

it might malignant might be a more difficult

18:55

movie to understand That's what

18:57

James Wan is doing he's making those movies

19:00

with kind of a little bit of jello spicing

19:02

in there It's

19:03

the type of movie you just

19:05

pick at random from the video

19:06

store and you're like what is that? Yeah,

19:09

it's super rich Where the phone

19:12

is just so specific and like what? And those

19:14

are some of the best times we've had with movies

19:16

like stuff like Blood Rage and

19:18

Bloody Birthday in particular I'm thinking

19:21

of where movies where sometimes

19:23

I would start it because I watch

19:26

more horror movies than Chelsea because like

19:28

I'll just constantly put

19:30

on a random horror movie while I'm doing stuff So I

19:33

think those movies were ones Yeah,

19:34

James has more patience for

19:36

ones where even if halfway

19:39

through he's like Oh I feel like this is maybe a

19:41

waste of my

19:41

time I commit He'll still finish it Yeah,

19:43

James yeah we are brothers from different

19:46

mothers Yeah, I cannot not

19:48

finish garbage I gotta see where it

19:50

goes My version of that is like legal courtroom

19:53

and journalism thrillers like any mystery

19:55

kind of thriller are my favorite types of movies I

19:57

just have that like playing on 2v all day

20:00

long. I'm

20:02

like, okay, I guess I'm finishing No

20:04

Way Out with Kevin Costner. I love

20:07

that genre

20:10

of movie. I

20:12

just wrote down Bloody B-Day and Blood

20:15

Rage. What made you use those as an example

20:17

again? I forgot. They are like

20:19

amazingly sloppy. The tone

20:21

of those movies is perfect. Especially

20:24

Blood Rage has a ton of gore, like great practical

20:26

effects blood. Bloody birthday has

20:28

killer kids, but

20:29

they're both just so out there and they're both

20:32

like, at least one of them was one where I started

20:34

watching in five minutes and I stopped. I was

20:36

like Chelsea, come on. I

20:38

guess I let you screen. Yeah.

20:40

You find the ones are like, no, no, no, this is actually

20:43

like a truly where you're watching and

20:45

you're like, how did

20:46

this

20:47

get me? How did so many people get together

20:50

and make this? What is like,

20:52

how are like five people acting

20:54

in this? And to every single person, it

20:56

seems like it's maybe a different movie and

20:58

like some stuff like that where it's just just the

21:01

perfect little, I don't know, just

21:03

the perfect little accident.

21:05

Yeah. They're not trying to be so bad.

21:07

No, they just are. And it's

21:09

great. And oh, that's the best

21:11

on action. Yeah. On action boys. We watch a lot

21:14

of my movie podcasts. We watch a lot

21:16

of like schlocky action movies and we'll say

21:19

just a reminder, making movies is

21:21

very hard. And like, you always

21:23

say that. Yeah. It's so hard to make a movie

21:26

because like, and these people fucking committed

21:28

to it, even though they clearly didn't know what they

21:30

were doing.

21:30

You might, I don't know if you've seen this before,

21:33

but you might enjoy it just as someone

21:35

who understands how hard it is to

21:37

make a movie. Have you seen spookies?

21:39

Oh my goodness. Spookies.

21:42

No, wait, maybe. I don't think so.

21:44

The name of the show is vague enough that I'm not very,

21:46

yeah, that's it's like a group of friends go

21:48

to a, it's not a big, it's a

21:50

big like, like manner. It's like a castle

21:53

and they end up, they find like a board game in

21:55

there, right? I think for you. Honestly,

21:57

I think, but with spookies and

21:59

that's why. We're having such a hard time remembering what the

22:01

fuck it's even about because it is

22:04

technically like three different

22:07

movies

22:08

Crammed together together they shot

22:10

one movie to

22:11

make it one Movie

22:13

so there are plots happening where it is

22:16

like these characters never interact

22:18

with each other

22:19

Yeah, they shot a movie and I think like the financier

22:22

or something was like now this isn't working for

22:24

me Let's shoot another thing. Yeah, and so they

22:26

shot all this other like the villain

22:28

The villain reacting to

22:30

stuff that is happening in the other

22:33

room.

22:33

She's like looking through a window at them Really

22:37

special like highly

22:39

recommend there are shit monsters

22:41

like dog Like poop

22:44

monsters to attack them. There's like a

22:46

big skeleton like it's so

22:48

good Yeah, I think they they he blew

22:50

up an actual like

22:53

they used an M80 or something to make a giant

22:55

explosion and almost like killed

22:58

the crew because This

23:00

amateur filmmaking. Yeah. Yeah

23:02

Just for a truly

23:04

like oh my god I can't believe this became

23:07

a finished product that is

23:09

up there for like it's truly a miracle

23:12

that it It's so

23:14

well, it's funny because horror movies

23:16

fall into this category a lot now There's

23:19

something about the horror movie fan

23:22

and I'm not gonna say they are less discerning

23:25

but they are more all

23:28

Consuming there.

23:29

Yeah, like I

23:31

just know people who will see every

23:33

single horror movie that comes out and will chase

23:36

down Every single horror movie and

23:38

be like it's bad. I hated it, but

23:41

I needed to see it or exactly. Yeah, that's

23:43

basically me Yeah Yeah, and what

23:45

do you think it is about because I do think there

23:48

there's overlap between that and people who really

23:50

like action movies where you're

23:52

like I Can find like

23:55

I could watch like a B Scott Adkins

23:58

martial arts movie and be like this is so

24:00

poorly acted, I don't think any of these people

24:02

are in the same room on this scene. But

24:05

there's this one cool fight or this

24:07

one cool stunt or this in case of horror movies,

24:10

this one cool scare or like the

24:12

shit monsters and spookies is worth

24:14

the ride alone. It's worth the price of the ticket

24:16

alone.

24:16

Yeah, I think it's like subconsciously

24:19

even maybe horror fans understand

24:22

that horror especially has

24:24

to be made by at least one person

24:27

who's extremely passionate about

24:29

whatever it is that they're making. Whether

24:31

it is passion for the thing itself, passion

24:34

for money that

24:36

they think they might make from this thing

24:38

because that can end up making some fun movies

24:41

too where it is just purely like profit

24:43

driven and terrible. Passion

24:44

for getting the actresses

24:47

naked is in the case with Friday Five

24:49

and Pieces.

24:50

And it's also, you know, and

24:52

obviously every movie that's

24:55

kind of the case, but horror, there's

24:57

also it's the passion combined with

25:00

not a care about

25:02

any prestige that is going to

25:04

come from making this thing. Yeah, it's

25:07

kind of

25:07

other genres. There's maybe like I'm going to be a

25:09

filmmaker and make a movie, but horror,

25:12

no one is going to

25:14

make a horror movie thinking like this

25:16

is what's really going to put

25:18

me on the map

25:19

artistically. Yeah, even

25:21

if they're making an artistic and good horror movie,

25:24

they know that those doors are still going

25:26

to be closed to them because it's genre. I think that's

25:28

a combination of those two factors.

25:31

That is why like I

25:34

totally get just wanting to see every

25:36

horror movie because those things are

25:38

present in

25:39

every horror movie. Yeah, they're being, they're not, no one's

25:41

making a horror movie to get an Oscar.

25:44

They don't, like they don't expect that. That's an accident

25:46

when that happens. Yeah, you have major accidents.

25:49

They're going into it going like I'm making a horror.

25:51

So I'm eschewing

25:52

because of the stigma around horror. I'm

25:55

eschewing the idea that I'm a top

25:58

tier filmmaker. Like I'm making a horror. movie

26:00

and it's for and so that why I think

26:02

that's where this begins this kind

26:05

of like symbiotic relationship where it's like horror

26:07

movies are made for ostensibly

26:09

everyone but really for horror

26:12

movie fans and yeah

26:14

frequently made by people who are fans

26:17

of horror movies as well so you get into that

26:19

sort of made by

26:21

fans for fans and

26:23

then that starts to feel like a two-way

26:25

street where you're like we got and

26:28

and truly we've seen it

26:31

and like there are a lot of like economics that go into

26:33

making a horror movie like they're they

26:35

can be low budget and still be scary

26:37

whereas like yeah sometimes a low budget

26:40

action movie won't actually demonstrate

26:42

good action because you need some money for that

26:44

but like that yeah with some like down and dirty

26:47

skill sets you can make a horror movie

26:49

on the lower yeah yeah

26:52

like I think paranormal activity part

26:54

of what makes that movie so scary it's

26:57

so good it's like and it's a similar thing where

26:59

it's daytime in that movie and you're like oh okay

27:01

I

27:01

can breathe a little bit yeah every morning

27:03

but I think it's like that movie

27:05

relies so much on I think

27:08

the lower the budget if you want to make something truly

27:10

scary you have to really dig deep

27:13

and think like what is psychologically

27:15

really scary to humans and it's often such

27:17

simple things

27:18

it's the dark it's sudden noises

27:20

it is like it's someone in your

27:22

space unbeknownst to you yeah that's

27:25

like yeah like a door shuts

27:28

in paranormal activity and everyone you

27:30

know it's it's a jump I know

27:32

related to everything we've talked about the low budget

27:35

the found footage the uh the

27:37

experience while watching worst and best

27:39

experience uh I have a similar one to

27:41

you where it kind of encompasses both worst

27:44

and best um I watched

27:46

creep have you ever seen creep

27:48

oh yeah the do plus

27:50

one with yeah exactly patrick price

27:52

something time yeah he's got he's got like uh

27:55

peaches peach fuzz that's right

27:57

so uh let me think if peaches wasn't it

28:00

Yeah, right. So

28:02

this was before Dead Meat. This was – I

28:05

mean, I've loved horror movies my entire life. But

28:07

this was before it was my job

28:10

and like primary interest and focus

28:12

in life. So Chelsea leaves town one

28:14

weekend for whatever, visit home or whatever.

28:17

So I'm at home by myself. I'm like,

28:19

let's put – I'm going to watch a horror movie. It sounds like

28:21

a good thing to watch.

28:23

And this was like probably 10 years ago

28:25

or close to it now, but I

28:28

got so high

28:29

and was like, I'm going to watch Creep. I don't

28:31

know what this is, but I like watching movies where I know nothing about

28:33

them. Such a bad movie to watch high.

28:36

I put on Creep, man. I

28:38

did not finish it. I got

28:40

so scared because it was like 2 in the morning. I'm

28:42

high out of my mind. And he's like – he

28:45

puts on that fucking wolf mask and he's

28:47

like, grrr. And I'm just like,

28:49

this – I'm – no. I can't do this. And

28:52

I stopped it and I was like, it's

28:54

because I'm tired. I'm just too tired. And

28:56

then I woke up the next day. I was like, I was too fucking

28:58

scared to finish that movie. I watched that movie

29:00

with you later and it was fun to confirm

29:02

like, no, no, no. This is fucking terrifying. Yeah.

29:05

I was like, goodbye. Was I too high? This movie

29:07

feels like absolutely rancid to

29:09

sit through in a good way. It's like very

29:11

effective. Well, it's funny because if

29:13

you tried to explain to someone

29:16

the movie and why it's so scary,

29:18

it's kind of hard to articulate. Because it is –

29:21

for the first half of the movie, it's like just about

29:23

an annoying weirdo. Yeah, exactly.

29:25

This is a guy. But you mentioned the

29:27

way that shot.

29:29

And that's such a realistic thing, especially in

29:31

modern times with like Airbnb's

29:34

and like sublets and like

29:36

self-check-ins at hotels and stuff.

29:39

You're just like in this situation where you're like, oh, God,

29:41

okay. Well, I better just be normal around

29:44

this person and not be rude. And

29:47

then all of a sudden you're like, hey, what's up with this person?

29:49

They're a little weirder than I thought they were. And then all

29:51

of a sudden you're in this fucking – you're in a full-blown horror

29:53

movie. And I

29:55

loved Creep. And I think there's

29:57

a Creep too where it's a completely different premise.

30:00

There is. I haven't seen it, but I remember

30:02

things. I remember really enjoying it. Yeah, I

30:04

don't remember exactly what happened But I

30:06

remember being like that. That's that's

30:08

a fun man watching a horror movie

30:11

alone as a grown-up

30:13

It's funny to like scare

30:15

yourself.

30:16

You know what I mean? Like it is. I'm always chasing

30:18

that I'm always looking to be scared and

30:21

that's why I appreciate it when we saw Hereditary

30:23

in theaters. Yeah, and it just I

30:26

was scared the whole time Very

30:28

scared we could tell everyone around us.

30:30

You could hear a pin drop. Everyone was like

30:33

genuinely really terrified Yeah,

30:35

or the end of annihilation. I always think

30:37

back Yeah, like just chills down

30:40

my back for the last 20 minutes annihilation

30:42

is one of my favorite movie theater experiences

30:45

I've never had

30:45

I don't I went into that

30:48

just I didn't know what to expect I hadn't

30:50

read the book

30:50

it was we often try to go to be completely

30:52

blind I do I try to avoid the trailer

30:55

unless I've seen it exactly for another

30:57

movie that I went I didn't even know Justin Long was in

31:00

barbarian when we saw it. No, I didn't know up

31:02

and I was like what the fuck happened He

31:04

has a crazy introduction to

31:06

yeah. I have no idea. He was in them I had no

31:09

idea anything about my wife has

31:11

ADHD and if she's in a movie that

31:14

she's doesn't know anything about it could like

31:16

stress her out in like a way so

31:18

sometimes she like needs to know the trailer or

31:20

else she's too

31:22

Curious about what's going like, you know, she's so

31:24

like am I supposed to be focusing on that? Me

31:26

on the other hand. I like going in just let the

31:28

movie wash over. But yeah,

31:31

take me where you want to movie I'm along for

31:33

the ride

31:33

totally empathizes I also

31:35

have ADHD and if I go into a movie

31:38

not knowing it's usually specifically

31:40

not knowing who is in it Yeah, I

31:42

sometimes will start getting hung up. I'm like, why

31:44

do I know that person? I recognize them

31:46

and then I realize oh my god, I haven't been paying attention

31:49

for the last That's

31:49

bad when we're watching movies at home where it's like

31:52

well, let me just look and then like yeah You're

31:54

on your own like a piece scrolling their credits and then

31:56

it's like oh, I think they were in this and

31:58

then like five minutes I've gone by I'm like,

32:00

wait, can we rewind?

32:02

This is exactly the first 10 minutes

32:05

of any movie we watch at home.

32:07

Is this based on a true story? Is this based

32:09

on anything? Wait, where do I know that person

32:11

from? Where do I know it? I'm like, let's just, all

32:13

right, let's pause it. You look up everything

32:15

you need to look up and then let's get back

32:17

in.

32:18

It is why I do love seeing a movie

32:20

in a theater though, because it is

32:23

like as an ADHD

32:25

haver, I have to, I am

32:27

stuck in a dark theater and I don't,

32:30

I'm just there to sit and watch the movie.

32:32

I'm not strong enough to leave

32:34

my phone into the drawer

32:37

at home. Like I actually, I keep finding

32:39

myself constantly being like, well, I gotta jump back 30 seconds

32:41

because I just looked at my phone for too long. But that's

32:44

why I like the theater too. It's like, strap

32:46

me in. I'm here to

32:48

see this movie. I'm committed. My

32:50

phone is off. It couldn't command my whole field of vision.

32:52

Yeah, the sound is going to sound just

32:54

how they want it to sound. I don't have to keep turning it down

32:57

out of fear for like a neighbor or anything

32:59

and turning it off because I can't hear them talking anymore.

33:02

I just,

33:02

I was thinking about

33:04

your experience leaving a

33:07

movie during the day. And you were like, oh,

33:09

thank God. I did just think of

33:11

the first time I ever saw Mulholland

33:13

Drive, I was in college.

33:15

Oh shit, yeah.

33:16

Yes, and it was one where I was with a bunch

33:18

of friends and we were like, well, we gotta see this. It's

33:21

a classic. None of, somehow none of us have

33:23

seen it. We're watching it. And

33:25

I mean, the dumpster

33:28

seat, the diner with the dumpster and

33:30

then we all had to walk home at night.

33:32

Ooh, no thank you. So we're like in

33:34

basically empty neighborhood. I honestly,

33:37

that was like the most scared

33:38

I think I've been after a movie. I just

33:40

started thinking about it. Was that in Ann Arbor or was that in Ann

33:42

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Okay. So now going back a little,

37:36

let's just jump to hereditary for a second. I had a

37:38

fucking blast in that movie. I

37:40

was legit scared. I

37:42

was never really scared in mid SOMAR, but

37:44

I loved mid SOMAR as well. It

37:46

was more like a, I don't know, a little

37:49

skeeved out. And, and I mean, that beginning

37:51

was really heavy, but yeah, it wasn't like

37:53

the, the terror of her. But

37:55

I still really enjoyed it. And, uh,

37:58

uh,

37:59

but, uh,

38:00

Hereditary, fucking great time. I mean

38:02

I loved Beau is afraid too. We

38:05

still haven't seen it. Yeah. We still haven't watched

38:07

it. Yeah. We still haven't seen it.

38:09

Yeah. Holy shit. And

38:11

it is. It is. It is so funny.

38:14

So weird. So intense. It's great. Like Ariaustra

38:16

is just doing strange ass shit over there. Yeah.

38:19

But you saying Mulholland Drive, I almost accidentally

38:22

said Mulholland Falls there. Another movie not

38:24

nearly as interesting as Mulholland Drive. Oh,

38:27

that's the Mulholland Falls.

38:28

Yeah. It's like a weird like 90s

38:31

like you know just like drama

38:33

that has nothing to do with anything of the local.

38:36

Okay. It's really and if you accidentally

38:38

the only way I know about it is I accidentally put it

38:40

on trying to watch Mulholland Drive. I was going to say

38:42

that sounds like the Asylum

38:44

version. Yeah. The

38:46

GoBots version of it. But

38:50

you made me think of like movies

38:53

from my childhood that I'm

38:55

trying to think of two times I was really scared.

38:57

So the first movie that really fucked

38:59

me up was Stephen King's

39:02

Cat's Eye. Oh wow. It's

39:05

a movie that's made up of like three or four Stephen

39:07

King stories. Drew Barrymore's in one of them,

39:09

right? That's the one that fucked me up. Yes. Oh,

39:12

okay. We were literally just being told we needed to watch

39:14

that. Yeah. We haven't seen that. Who's saying that? Joe

39:16

Lynch. Joe Lynch, of course. Oh

39:18

yeah. You got it's really it's a really enjoyable

39:20

one. There's like a few interesting short stories that

39:22

are kind of scary. But the Drew Barrymore one

39:25

is about a troll that comes at night

39:27

while she's sleeping and holds her nose shut

39:30

and steals her breath. No. No

39:33

way. And that fucked me up so much

39:35

when I was a kid that I think I still have like repercussions

39:38

from it where if I'm like my

39:40

face is at all covered when I'm sleeping like I

39:43

have claustrophobia and I think it's partially from

39:45

that movie and partially from being my size.

39:48

Oh, I was going to say partially from the Descent. Dude.

39:51

All right.

39:52

Jumping around, The Descent is

39:54

such a fucking good movie.

39:57

That's like the masterpiece. And that's one I saw when

39:59

I was like a little. older and I had heard like

40:01

I heard the descent is like and I

40:03

was with dating my now wife

40:05

back then and she's like a Horror movie buff and I'm like I

40:08

hear this is like an all I probably said

40:10

chicks

40:11

all chicks action Horror

40:13

movie and she's like we got to watch it We put that shit

40:15

on and it scared the fuck out

40:17

of me Yeah, I tried to I tried to rewatch

40:20

it a couple years ago being like well now I won't

40:22

be scared of it And I was fucking scared

40:24

again

40:24

the night vision where you see

40:27

that thing standing behind

40:28

her I Thought

40:32

I saw descent was I I forget which

40:34

movie was first But it was a double feature with that

40:36

and wreck and I was like wow

40:38

two of these various movies I have ever seen

40:41

back to back

40:41

I saw the descent at a Sleepover

40:44

and this is when I was in high school and finally,

40:46

you know When I was younger I wasn't allowed to watch

40:48

like really violent movies and that tended to encompass

40:50

like most horror movies and I was terrified of

40:52

everything And in high school, it was like no No, I'm

40:55

finally gonna go see some classics and we

40:57

would go you know, we would start watching, you

40:59

know Stuff that was coming out around the time So I saw

41:01

the descent around when it came out as we

41:03

voted it was right before we all went to bed It's like

41:06

I I like I very vividly

41:08

remember watching that movie

41:09

in my friend's basement That's

41:14

You just made me think sleepover

41:16

scary,

41:18

so

41:19

When you're like a 12 year old boy, you have

41:21

sleepovers at friends houses

41:23

Maybe someone's doing it for their birthday and

41:25

you put on a horror movie

41:27

and now only with hindsight Do you know that

41:29

all of your friends are scared the whole time but no

41:32

one can cop to it? Yeah, so everyone's

41:34

trying to out alpha each other and

41:36

this movie that fucked us all up when we were

41:38

kids was

41:39

classic

41:40

the omen

41:42

Shit Holy

41:45

shit. Does that movie fucking irk? I'm

41:47

getting chills just talking about it and I've seen it a hundred

41:49

times and it's not and like now

41:52

as a grown-up like movies about scary

41:54

kids aren't scary, but they're the

41:57

The like vibes of that first half

41:59

of that movie are so like methodical

42:02

and

42:02

you know now I can have like

42:05

taste and the words and the vocab

42:07

to explain why the omen

42:09

was so interesting and scary but then

42:12

I was just like it's

42:13

in the words I would use now are like haunting

42:16

and it's just like the vibe is so

42:18

slow and plotting and haunting in the beginning

42:20

where you're like what the fuck

42:23

and the music is like bananas good

42:25

and like that's just me in like seven

42:27

fucking Long Island Jewish and Italian

42:30

like little gleeos all just

42:32

then pretending to not be afraid for

42:34

the rest of the night but everyone being like

42:36

Gabriel you're still awake it's like yeah

42:38

you yeah yeah I can't fall asleep

42:41

like you know we're all like yeah

42:43

I can never fall asleep yeah I'm just like

42:46

a late night I'm a late night owl

42:49

I'm 13 but I always stay

42:51

up till four in the morning like

42:54

go home the next day and you're like dad is the devil

42:57

real oh man yeah

42:59

and there's

43:01

something

43:03

about like a 70s horror movie to

43:06

that for some reason that

43:08

or was that with 70s right

43:10

I believe I have me six maybe six yeah

43:12

even if it's early 80s it's from the school

43:15

of the 70s movie of 1980 1981 even they're

43:18

basically 70s yeah they got a lot of

43:20

the hallmarks and when you're a kid

43:23

especially a kid in the 90s like I was and

43:25

you're not like you know there's no streaming

43:27

or anything when you like watch these old movies there's

43:30

just a layer of scariness that it

43:32

feels weird that you're watching like

43:35

you're like oh this is not as fast or

43:37

as colorful or as loud as I'm used

43:40

to from all the dumb shit I watch as a 13 year

43:42

old boy you're like so it lulls

43:44

you in or it gets you in a different comfort

43:47

zone these movies because you're not

43:49

you're not prepared for like the

43:50

language of this type of film so

43:52

you're already sort of like off put

43:55

by like that's why I find some of those

43:57

foreign horrors to be extra scary

43:59

too Yeah, we were just talking about how sometimes

44:02

foreign movies feel extra scary just because the

44:04

unfamiliarity of the culture and not

44:06

even sure What is

44:08

a norm and what isn't because

44:11

something that could even be? more

44:13

just standard for them still feels just

44:16

unusual to you and and That

44:19

adds to the layers and it's harder to pick up

44:21

on nuance when you're like reading subtitles

44:23

and listening to a language You don't speak because

44:26

like in in in an English

44:28

language movie you'd be like, okay This chick

44:30

is the bad guy like like like

44:32

you could just like tell by her act They're acting or

44:34

what they're saying that you're like, oh, this is the evil doer

44:37

but when you're watching a foreign movie you're like, I

44:40

Don't know. Is that a normal French tone? I got

44:43

yeah, and yeah with the older

44:45

movies, too It's I've never really vocalized

44:48

this or had this thought exactly

44:50

but uh, I guess you

44:52

know We're a little bit younger than you but

44:55

I the scream got me into horror movies And

44:57

so all those movies that came out around scream

45:00

They were targeted towards teens

45:03

and I suppose when I guess like probably

45:05

fry the 13th and those kind of slashers

45:07

from those Are trying to get those are teen oriented

45:10

I feel

45:10

like that was the whole market where the point

45:12

was like we're getting teens to bring

45:14

their date, you

45:15

know Yeah to get scared and and yeah

45:19

Exactly, but but when you want when you're

45:21

talking about something like the omen or maybe

45:23

more mature older horror movies You're

45:25

like your rosemary baby something like that.

45:27

Yeah, there can be an element if you're

45:30

young and you can get past These

45:32

slower pace and what might seem a little

45:34

more boring because it's not as flashy I

45:37

think it can be effective in being scary because it's

45:40

not made for you like it's not trying

45:42

to be accessible to you

45:45

as a young person and

45:47

if you can, you know power through that

45:50

something that's not Targeted

45:52

towards you it can feel like be rewarding

45:54

and how scary that is. Yeah I think there's

45:57

like a layer of that with the exorcist what

45:59

yeah of like an

46:01

OG, you know,

46:03

if you were like a kid in the 90s or in the 80s

46:05

you would be like, I like scary

46:07

movies and someone in your family would go,

46:09

have you ever seen The Exorcist? Yep.

46:12

It's

46:12

interesting because The Exorcist, I remember,

46:15

was re-released, I think, in theaters

46:18

and it was a, I think it was a version

46:20

where they added scenes that originally weren't

46:22

in the theatrical release when it came out

46:24

and it was, I think, during the late,

46:27

mid-late 90s when they re-released in theaters

46:29

so it was kind of like in the

46:32

air again. I remember as a kid being terrified

46:35

of The Exorcist and never having even

46:37

seen it but just knowing what

46:40

she looked like and

46:42

the idea of like knowing that

46:44

there's a movie where a girl about

46:46

my age, her head is spinning around

46:48

or she's like crawling downstairs

46:51

backwards. I think that was an added scene for

46:52

that reason. Oh yeah, you're right, the spider walk,

46:55

I don't think. Oh yeah, that's

46:55

why that was kind of in

46:57

the convert, you know, kids talking about

46:59

it at school and whatnot. That was like one of the scariest

47:02

things I've ever seen is that spider walk down

47:04

the stairs. It's funny about movies like that

47:06

too because I was of the age where I

47:08

was young enough that I was like, Freddie

47:10

and Jason are fake. Okay.

47:13

But being possessed by the devil is

47:15

something that could really happen. Sure. You know

47:17

what I mean? You grew up Catholic. I grew up Catholic.

47:19

I didn't actually really learn

47:21

about that stuff but it just, the way

47:24

The Exorcist plays is that

47:26

obviously it's a movie but it's playing

47:28

like it's real. So to me, it was real and

47:32

I would have these things where it's like well

47:35

Jason and Freddie are fake obviously,

47:37

Michael Myers is fake obviously

47:39

but this can really happen.

47:42

I know many people are like that.

47:43

Yep, I would like, I

47:45

think slashers wouldn't have really

47:48

scared me too much even

47:50

as a kid. I think it was just, it's more like

47:53

something maybe popping out at me would scare

47:55

me but the idea of ghosts

47:58

and stuff and possessions even. up to

48:00

like I was

48:01

way too old. Our housemates still won't watch Paranormal

48:03

Activity because she's like, I

48:06

don't know, that could maybe happen. You know, like

48:08

all this stuff, like whatever, but yeah.

48:12

Oh man, that's Paranormal Activity. We

48:14

mentioned it earlier, I wanted to throw this out. I forget if it's in

48:16

one or two, but one of the best

48:18

shots ever in a horror

48:21

movie is they put a camera

48:23

on an oscillating fan. That's

48:25

actually part three. In the 80s,

48:28

yeah, because they have like a VHS

48:30

recording camera and they put that on an oscillating

48:33

fan and it's just to flow back

48:35

and forth. You're right,

48:37

it is one of the best shots in horror movies. It

48:40

just pans away and then by the time it gets

48:42

back, things have changed and there's something there

48:44

and you're just like, oh my fuck. I

48:46

think my buddy Chris Smith is the lead in

48:48

part three. He's in one of the Paranormal

48:50

Activities. Yeah, I forget which one. Do you want the parents,

48:53

one of the dads? Yeah, I think he's a dad. If

48:56

he is in three, that might be like

48:58

the only Paranormal Activity

49:00

dad slash boyfriend who's not a piece of shit.

49:03

Because those movies have a runner where like

49:05

just the boyfriend is always like, they don't believe

49:08

it, but at the same time they're antagonizing

49:10

things. But I think if I remember correctly, three

49:13

has like a good guy. Yeah,

49:16

one is maybe the worst horror movie boyfriend

49:18

of all time. Oh yeah. Where

49:21

he

49:21

has, God, what is his shirt? He has

49:23

like an online poker website

49:25

shirt too. They paint such a funny picture.

49:29

That's so perfect. This guy is just the biggest douchebag

49:32

ever and I love it so much. Yeah,

49:34

that is fucking perfect.

49:36

Wait, we

49:38

were talking a moment ago about the

49:40

quote unquote reality in horror

49:43

movies and one of the movies

49:45

I saw when I was older that

49:47

really fucking scared me was I

49:50

think it's called The Strangers.

49:53

Is that the one where they wear burlap sacks

49:56

and they're outside the house? The home invasion

49:58

movie. scared

50:00

the fuck out of me because yeah that movie rules

50:03

that came out uh

50:04

Around the time i think yeah around

50:07

the time that true crime was kind of starting to

50:09

pop off too in a way So

50:11

like you're like

50:12

this could happen to you. You know what I mean?

50:14

And it's like there is Probably

50:17

at least one instance in reality

50:19

of three people in masks Invading

50:21

someone's home and doing something fucked up to them. I mean

50:24

it's summarized by the end when they're like, why why did

50:26

you do this? Because you were home. Yeah,

50:28

like that there's no motive and I mean that

50:31

it's taking a page out of funny games,

50:33

too Horrific

50:36

life that's so scary Torture there's

50:39

no reasoning

50:39

your way. There's no rules

50:41

like even with a possession movie You've

50:44

got you know depending on what kind of

50:47

Ghost or creature you're working with you can

50:49

call an exorcist you can there's

50:52

maybe a way to break The curse

50:54

or whatever

50:55

and like don't antagonize it and you should

50:57

be okay

50:57

You let or not even

51:00

let in the case of the strangers I mean that is what

51:02

makes funny games scary as they let these guys

51:04

into their home But yeah,

51:06

just just not just no rules.

51:08

No reasoning with well, it's funny you

51:10

choose because then you can't

51:12

sometimes you can like

51:14

watch a horror movie and handle it by

51:17

Blaming by like victim blaming

51:19

more. Yeah stuff like I wouldn't do that.

51:21

So this couldn't happen to me Yeah, it's like what the fuck are you

51:23

doing? Why would you go in the attic? Like why would you

51:25

let your kid do that? Why would you let this and

51:28

but then these movies where it's like they don't like

51:31

you're just like fucked Imagine being

51:33

in it like I would never this would never happen to me I would

51:35

never spend the night in a haunted house for

51:37

a documentary and it's like yeah But I might just

51:39

be home with my wife one night when three freaks

51:42

come to kill me, you know You know what movie

51:44

is one side out is one of the best movies

51:47

at

51:48

Uh making you not think creating

51:50

an impossible situation for its character

51:52

and where you're never thinking like why would they do this

51:55

instead of this? You can't backseat drive at all.

51:57

Yeah the green room. Oh

51:58

Yeah

51:59

I fucking love that

52:02

movie. Now granted that's not the same thing

52:04

as like I could just be at home and these people

52:06

could show up because they are a Punk

52:08

band.

52:08

I would simply never be in a punk

52:10

band.

52:10

Yeah, you could say that but once

52:13

they're in that situation because

52:15

it's about a punk band who plays a show and

52:18

like a Place that ends up being like

52:20

for a small little place that where

52:22

Nazis hang out and then they witness a

52:24

murder and the Nazis know

52:26

that they saw the murder and they're in the green room

52:29

and the Nazis don't want to let them leave and it's just

52:31

Like that's that's the premise. That's

52:33

the setup and Well,

52:36

and there's so many things I really like about

52:38

that movie first of all It's gruesome and hard

52:40

to watch in a in a way that works

52:43

for a horror a jacob very graphic

52:45

Yeah, you might not even really call it

52:47

a horror movie. Like you could argue that it's like

52:49

an action thriller There's like Ellen because

52:52

if there's no real

52:53

Like paranormal it's all like realistic

52:57

But

52:57

the other thing I love about it is the

53:00

Nazis are bad guys like that's not a thing

53:02

anymore It's like we're like, right?

53:05

They are just like they

53:06

it's like they are

53:08

you see Nazis You know, that's a bad guy

53:10

and it's like such a perfect addition to

53:12

this movie to be like

53:14

Well, fuck like fuck them like

53:16

they're not yeah Like and their white supremacist

53:19

fuck them like and it's so easy to like

53:21

just be on their side and you're never like

53:23

what? Are you idiots doing cuz you're just like fuck

53:25

not you suck. They're evil like get out

53:27

of there Oh, yeah, and to

53:30

that point, it's like Patrick Stewart shows

53:32

up and you're like, I love Patrick Stewart Oh,

53:35

fuck you Patrick Stewart. Oh, yeah, Patrick

53:37

Stewart's amazing and everything. Oh, but he is a bald

53:39

white actor He's

53:43

a Nazi Talking

53:46

about real realistic movies

53:48

that you can't backseat drive that

53:50

at

53:51

the the movie the invitation

53:54

What you? Yeah, the carrot

53:56

the Karen Fusama movie. I think that's oh, yeah Yeah,

53:59

who's on the

53:59

Yeah, um have you guys

54:02

you guys seen this we've seen it. Yeah, that's

54:04

the one where like it's like a dinner

54:07

It's like a dinner. Yeah, and it ends up

54:09

being like a whole cult kind of and

54:11

the real I remember we've only

54:13

seen it once and it was a while ago We've watched a lot

54:15

of movies, but I do remember it I

54:17

loved it and I remember it being like pretty

54:20

slow and and even for

54:23

part of it You're like is is

54:25

it just paranoia is there something like actually

54:27

going on here, and then it gets crazy

54:30

I first saw it when I lived in Brooklyn in

54:32

my like late 20s, and I was like this movie

54:35

is really good This is weird

54:37

though This weird dinner party and everyone's

54:39

into like weird shit and like and

54:41

then you're like it does have paranoia for the first I'm

54:44

not gonna do any real spoilers here, but it has like one

54:46

of the strongest endings. I've ever seen

54:48

in our movie And I

54:50

will remind you guys of that after we're done recording But I

54:52

want listeners to be able to enjoy that just in case and

54:55

who's the the actor is it Matthew Logan

54:57

Green? He's the guy who looks like Tom Hardy and also

54:59

an upgrade. He's fantastic so

55:02

good in it. Yes I forget his name, but he I

55:04

called him like Tom Hardy light for a while exactly

55:06

Yeah, but he's so good in upgrade to yeah

55:09

upgrade for which I think is a great way of telling a

55:11

superhero story like yeah, but

55:14

in invitation You're

55:17

it's like this weird dinner party, and you're

55:19

watching this in Brooklyn thinking. This is amazing Then

55:21

I moved to Los Angeles and

55:23

go to a few dinner parties And

55:26

meet people who are like yes, I'm doing ketamine

55:29

therapy. Yes. I have a ayahuasca Yes,

55:31

I'm and then everything and you're like

55:33

holy shit That movie is just that

55:36

much richer when you realize because

55:38

it's like a silver like dinner party that

55:40

they're at yeah And it's like oh you

55:43

that's why they let it go on

55:45

for so long That's what I realized when I watched

55:47

it in Brooklyn I was backseat driving and I was going

55:50

like

55:50

I tell this fucking freak to shut up

55:53

I would tell this weirdo what the fuck you and then when

55:55

you move to LA you're like Oh, yeah, a lot

55:57

of times you don't tell freaks to shut up because you're

55:59

just like

55:59

probably never gonna see this guy again. So

56:02

I'll let him keep talking about this

56:04

wind surfing religion he's part of

56:06

or whatever. But holy

56:08

shit, that's a fucking good one that you, it's hard

56:10

to backseat drive. Once you've lived in LA

56:12

and go like, nope, there are dinner parties

56:14

like this happening all across

56:16

the county. Right.

56:18

Yeah. And it's also just,

56:20

I don't know, I think movies

56:23

like that, it's just the total realism

56:25

of like, like you wouldn't, yeah, like you

56:27

said, you wouldn't actually be like, oh man, shut the fuck

56:30

up. Like most, I would

56:31

say like most people,

56:33

we all have a kind of

56:36

like self-awareness where we want to be

56:38

polite, even though we are going insane

56:40

on the inside, or we're just afraid

56:43

of making a fuss.

56:44

What was that Dutch movie? I literally

56:46

was gonna bring it up. I can't remember what that's called. Do you

56:48

know Evil or is that the Kane one? That's the Kane

56:50

movie. It was something similar to

56:53

that though. It's

56:54

the Dutch couple that stays with

56:56

the, I think like Finnish couple

56:58

and they're super weird and the whole

57:00

movie is about just

57:02

like movies that like prey

57:05

on the fact that you know you in that, like

57:07

the people are just like, why don't want to be an asshole? Yeah.

57:09

Like I don't want conflict. So I'm just gonna

57:12

politely go along with that is the entire

57:14

statement of that movie. And I can't remember

57:16

what it's like.

57:17

You know, it's like, it's a title like

57:19

that. I feel like one of the problems

57:22

now is that so many titles are

57:24

taken that was it Speak No

57:26

Evil?

57:28

Was it? Yes, it was. It was Speak No

57:29

Evil. Speak No Evil. Yeah. I

57:31

feel like at this point, it's really hard

57:33

to- Have you seen Speak No Evil? I don't

57:35

think so. I'm writing a few of these down. If

57:38

you

57:38

want just like, yeah,

57:40

it is a similar thing where it's like, oh

57:42

God, realistically, if I was in this situation,

57:45

would I say

57:47

anything?

57:47

Us, we're super

57:50

nice, non-confrontational people. We would

57:52

probably just fucking go along. It's

57:53

a movie about the horrors of being a polite

57:57

person. Right. It's so real, especially

57:59

in like-

57:59

in couples too where you're like

58:02

one couple is like let's get the fuck out of here You're like we shouldn't

58:04

be that mean to these you know like exactly

58:06

and I just like you've like watching a movie

58:08

like that You like flashback to all your partner conversations

58:11

where you're like what's up with your friend? And she's

58:13

like just deal with him for one. You know

58:15

that movies two couples. Yeah, definitely

58:18

exactly It's very very dark

58:20

and very good That's

58:23

odd. Yeah, I feel like Now

58:25

so many horror titles are taken that we're

58:27

getting a lot of titles of great movies,

58:29

but like the titles are difficult

58:32

to remember And and

58:35

we can this will tie into

58:37

another great experience that we

58:39

just had watching a movie when evil lurks So

58:42

the title is kind of difficult for

58:44

me to remember now and now I think I've got it when

58:46

evil lurks It's this Argentinian movie that just

58:48

came out and It's

58:50

brand new. It's on shutter

58:52

Watching that I don't remember the

58:54

last time a movie made us Jump

58:57

off the couch look at each other being like

58:59

what the fuck and not just

59:02

once they did it a couple of times in this Okay,

59:04

wait is that the poster where someone's like it's

59:06

a silhouette of someone with an axe. Yes. Yeah,

59:08

absolutely Okay, I've seen

59:11

some people Reco that and so

59:13

yeah I'm gonna that's gonna be my next

59:15

viewing especially if it's a Spanish language film

59:17

because it is yep It's

59:19

great. Why do you speak Spanish? No,

59:22

I'm learning so I do like I do

59:24

lightly speak it This movie's not gonna help you

59:29

Because I can do I can speak a little bit of Spanish

59:31

but these two brothers I don't know if it's like an Argentinian

59:34

accent or something I think it might be I mean

59:37

it's an Argentinian movie, but I think maybe they also

59:39

have a very rural accent Possibly.

59:41

Yeah, cuz they're like they're like dropping

59:43

lots of consonants. Yeah, cuz I'm listening

59:46

I'm like, I know the words you're saying but it doesn't

59:48

sound like you're saying them. So But

59:51

you can you can it'll expose you

59:54

to all the wonderful dialects of that language.

59:56

Oh, that's awesome I will fucking check that out

1:00:00

Dude,

1:00:01

I appreciate you guys coming on High and Mighty

1:00:03

so much. This has been such a blast

1:00:05

having this conversation. And for me, getting

1:00:08

like recommendations. I see

1:00:10

you're right, I should doubt you. I've never heard

1:00:12

of. Like, I have Bloody Birthday,

1:00:15

Blood Rage, Spookies, Wreck,

1:00:18

you said. Is that RDC? I think I've never

1:00:20

seen that movie. Yeah, oh yeah, that's a Spanish movie as

1:00:22

well. It's found footage Spanish,

1:00:24

like possibly the best found footage

1:00:26

film ever made. I

1:00:29

feel like I remember saying to someone, and

1:00:32

I think this might be true too, overall, horror

1:00:34

movies and comedies too.

1:00:37

They kind of suffer in the third act.

1:00:39

Like a horror movie, like the tension

1:00:42

is so good in the first act. And

1:00:45

then in the second act, you're like blowing the

1:00:47

tension or whatever you want to call it. And then

1:00:49

the third act is always just like, well, I don't even care

1:00:51

what happens to these people. And I

1:00:53

heard from, I remember I was shitting on third act to someone.

1:00:56

I was like, have you ever seen wreck? I

1:00:59

was like, it's funny you mentioned that because wreck

1:01:01

the third act of that movie. I saw that movie

1:01:03

when it came out.

1:01:05

I was traumatized. I was so fucking

1:01:07

scared. Yeah, that's what people told me is

1:01:09

that like, oh, if you think horror movies don't have good

1:01:12

third acts, you have to watch wreck because

1:01:14

now so I that's like been a double wreck

1:01:17

recommendation. And so now and

1:01:19

then speak no evil and when evil lurks. That's

1:01:22

my great fucking list for very different

1:01:24

reasons. And

1:01:26

I pitch I pitch you guys to rewatch

1:01:29

The Invitation and to watch Cat's

1:01:31

Eye. Okay, now that movie wreck for us, though.

1:01:35

That movie fucked me up. I couldn't sleep

1:01:38

at all. Like

1:01:40

it ruined me.

1:01:41

But tell my listeners who are,

1:01:44

you know, frequently horror movie heads, where can

1:01:46

they find you and learn more and

1:01:48

see more and listen to more of what you're doing over

1:01:51

there.

1:01:51

So we're from Dead Meat and it's

1:01:54

a YouTube channel with a the flagship

1:01:56

show is the kill count but it's not just counting

1:01:58

kills that it talks about. all the production

1:02:00

and cultural context of the movies. It's

1:02:03

basically mini documentaries on them. We

1:02:05

even get, depending on what

1:02:07

kind of movie it is, sometimes we'll even be

1:02:09

in contact

1:02:10

with the creators themselves. And so we get cool

1:02:12

behind the scenes stuff that like no one else has seen.

1:02:14

Or cameos for host. We

1:02:16

had the ladies from host

1:02:19

zoom in to be a part of it.

1:02:21

I had the guy who played, yeah, the host. I've recommended

1:02:24

it. I've recommended that to so many people. And

1:02:27

I rarely ever tell people how to watch something. But

1:02:30

I've said this on previous episodes this

1:02:32

year. But if you are planning

1:02:35

on watching host,

1:02:36

watch it on your laptop with headphones. In the dark, yep.

1:02:38

Yeah, for sure. So fucking scary. Yeah,

1:02:41

we had Dane who plays the predator

1:02:44

in Prey on the show. Oh, awesome.

1:02:47

Leslie Vernon himself from Behind

1:02:49

the Mask, the rise of Leslie

1:02:52

Vernon. Cool. He

1:02:54

came to the studios. The Kill Count is like the

1:02:56

flagship show on YouTube.

1:02:58

And then we also have Chelsea's The Dead Meat

1:03:00

podcast. Yeah,

1:03:00

we have the podcast that we get

1:03:03

a lot more into. We'll do like film history,

1:03:06

kind of a cultural context of horror

1:03:08

movies. But we also play silly games.

1:03:11

And it's kind of a grab bag of honestly

1:03:13

whatever I feel like doing that. Yeah,

1:03:15

and that's also on the YouTube channel. But

1:03:18

also audio only where anywhere

1:03:20

podcasts are. But we have the video element on

1:03:22

the YouTube channel. And then we just have a bunch of

1:03:25

other stuff on the channel. Lots

1:03:27

of interviews with people. I was going to say, we've done some

1:03:29

cool interviews. Yeah, John Carpenter. I mean,

1:03:31

we've done John Carpenter. My fucking hero.

1:03:34

He's my favorite. One of my favorite.

1:03:36

We talked about Sonic the Hedgehog.

1:03:37

Yeah, and did Crash Bandicoot.

1:03:40

Yeah, he's so cool. He loves games.

1:03:42

He loves weed. Yeah, he does. And he likes

1:03:44

synth music and three things we have in common.

1:03:47

And Big Trouble Little China is my

1:03:49

favorite movie of all time. Hell yeah.

1:03:51

Nice. Yeah, that was a good one. Bing is my favorite

1:03:54

horror movie of all time, alongside Scream.

1:03:57

Man, The Thing is such a fucking great movie.

1:03:59

I love it.

1:03:59

Kurt Russell in so many ways, it's complex.

1:04:03

I told in the interview, I can't remember

1:04:05

if it made the interview or not, I think it did. I

1:04:08

told John Carpenter my favorite movie of his was Starman

1:04:10

and he went, oh yeah, that's a chick movie.

1:04:13

That's

1:04:13

really funny. I was like, yes

1:04:15

sir, thank you sir.

1:04:18

I've seen him a few times perform his

1:04:21

album. I've seen him on Halloween,

1:04:24

three times actually, do a music

1:04:26

set and every time he did the same joke, he's

1:04:28

like, now this is

1:04:30

a song from one of my movies

1:04:32

that's considered a romantic comedy,

1:04:35

Starman.

1:04:36

He

1:04:37

still has

1:04:39

that chick flick energy of that movie. That's

1:04:41

a funny thing to be like a 70 year old man and

1:04:44

be like, yeah, I made a chick movie once.

1:04:46

But it's crazy because

1:04:48

it's like one of the most beautiful

1:04:50

heartfelt movies I've ever, I saw for

1:04:52

the first time and was weeping. It's

1:04:55

like this, I don't know, there's so much genuine

1:04:57

love put into that and it's so funny how

1:04:59

much of an old guy he is about it. Because

1:05:02

it's very heartfelt. That's

1:05:05

awesome.

1:05:05

The Dead Meat

1:05:08

YouTube channel, Dead Meat podcast, Kill

1:05:11

Count, check all that stuff out listeners.

1:05:14

I know you horror movie freaks are lurking

1:05:16

and listening to High and Mighty. So get

1:05:18

out there and chase your fellow

1:05:21

freaks down. As for me,

1:05:23

I have Action Boys podcast

1:05:25

and also next week

1:05:27

I'm doing a live High and Mighty

1:05:30

Power Hour, the 9th annual at Dynasty

1:05:32

Typewriter. And it'll also be live streamed

1:05:34

for all my non-LA listeners. And

1:05:37

that also, if you want to save money, spoiler

1:05:40

alert, will be next week's podcast

1:05:42

episode will be the audio version. But

1:05:44

if you want to watch the live stream, please

1:05:46

support me. And if you want to come get tickets, come

1:05:49

on out and see it live. Thank you

1:05:51

very much. As always, what's

1:05:53

the date of that? That would be Wednesday,

1:05:55

Thanksgiving Eve, whatever that is, November 22nd, I believe?

1:05:59

at Dynasty and the livestream will be up

1:06:02

for a week after so watch with your parents

1:06:04

on Thanksgiving Day. It should

1:06:07

be absolutely disgusting got a great cast lined

1:06:10

up I'll be revealing that on Instagram

1:06:12

tomorrow or if you're listening to this on

1:06:14

Thursday you'll have it been revealed yesterday.

1:06:17

Time is a flat circle.

1:06:19

Bye shitheads!

1:06:30

Holy

1:06:31

shit guys I'm

1:06:34

so pumped! I definitely

1:06:39

have not watched this since

1:06:42

I've rendered

1:06:47

it on VHS in 92. Rangers

1:06:49

united by the threat of death. We got all

1:06:51

the fucking major players. Seagal.

1:06:54

Vladimir Putin is a good man. Arnold

1:06:56

come give it to me I need you to cream pie

1:06:58

me now. Stallone. I'm full of love in

1:07:00

this movie. It's got a lot of heart. You

1:07:02

mess with your regular. Now.

1:07:06

Somewhere. Somehow. I

1:07:11

would fucking love for my wife to like

1:07:13

see me rip a guy's throat out. This

1:07:16

movie is fucking

1:07:19

insane. It's how you know it's a good movie you have to

1:07:21

do almost all the work yourself to figure

1:07:23

it out. There's a fantasy component there's some sword fighting

1:07:26

there's some lightning. You

1:07:30

wake

1:07:32

up after a few years

1:07:35

and you don't even know you are

1:07:37

anymore. We're gonna be making terminators. We're

1:07:39

gonna make a really great deal with the jittermuffs.

1:07:42

I don't hate them but I'll be the real man. Yes

1:07:44

I understand. This is now the 20th ending

1:07:47

of the movie. I am your dad. That's

1:07:51

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