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This is a HeadGum Podcast. What's

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up, shitheads? Welcome

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back to another episode of High

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and Mighty. It's me, your boy,

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the number one fuckboy, Johnny

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G, standing 6'2", 296 pounds

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from the

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south shore of Nassau County,

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Long Island. It's

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John Gabrus. All you

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gotta do is trust me. Jackson Maine from A

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Star is Born. What are you still doing

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here? Come up with a fresh joke. Abortion

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is healthcare. Thank you, Jackson. Also joining me

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in the High and Mighty studio is my

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nearly silent co-host, Arthur Gabrus. Arthur, give him

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a shout out. Arthur is in the other

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room. No need to give a shout out.

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Just got sad at the idea of what happens once

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my dog is dead. Do I leave this in the

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intro? I don't have time to

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analyze this. And I'm sorry that the

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intro just got low energy. Let's bring

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it back for our guest from,

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thank God you're here, it's all

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the way from down under. It's

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Amy Ruffola. Wow,

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that took a turn. I was hyped and then all

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of a sudden it was like death of a dog

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and I don't really know where to go from here.

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Sorry, that is on my mind. My dog is 14 and

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a half. And as I was saying that, I was like,

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what am I going to ... And then I was like,

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oh my God, why am I thinking that? Hey,

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depression, it's a hell of a drug. Sunset's

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at 4.45 in LA. Things

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are bad. Oh,

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it's not your fault. It's the season. It's

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the season for depression. It's seasonal depression. It's

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fucking real, dude. And

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I can say that because we've just come out

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of winter. So I've been in my six months

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of mourning and sadness and now I have to

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be happy because I can't blame the weather and

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it's really not working out. You have to be

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happy now. You have to engage with

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all the sharks and spiders and quokkas

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or whatever the fuck is running around,

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the truly wild world of Australia. Oh,

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and you know, I love engaging with the sharks

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and the quokkers. Honestly,

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it's so fun to me how people perceive

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Australia, like the animals obviously, but also everyone

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thinks people are hot like Chris Hemsworth and

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Margot Robbie. And I'm like, no, no, no,

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we send the hot ones to you. We

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keep the garbage monsters here. I know

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like, oh, the ones who broke through

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in Hollywood are attractive. Yeah. No

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shit. What a surprise. Yeah. My

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best friend here in LA is

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from Australia as well. And

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he is tiny, can't,

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he's learning to surf. He sucks at

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rugby. He's a bogan.

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His accent is awful. It's not sexy

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at all. Like it's like barely legible.

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And it's like, I'm like, you're the funniest

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Australia and you shatter every stereotype

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Americans have. He's like small and

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not muscular. And

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he's totally Aussie in all his

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energy and his vibes. But then it's just

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like, oh, I never surfed. I'm not a

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good swimmer. You're like, you're not? I thought

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everyone was. Honestly,

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I can't believe like the government let him

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out because our whole PR campaign is like,

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everyone's hot and animals are crazy. And so

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anytime someone comes through that. Let us

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come here because we have spiders the

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size of your fucking face out to

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get you. That

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just stretches me out. Do you like the

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area you live in? Is it like, is

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it urban or are you like out in the

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outback? Are you in, do you got bushwalks near

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you? No,

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no, no. I mean, yeah, I live in like a big city. So

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it is exactly the same. And finally, the

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only time I've ever been bitten by a spider

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was in Los Angeles, which I thought was like

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such a cruel twist of fate. I've been fired

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my whole life. I let down my guard. I

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mean, the safe like streets of LA and then

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a spider fell out of a tree onto my

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head. Oh my God, that's horrifying. I'm

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not even afraid of my wife has

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like a rachnophobia. I

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get like she is

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terrified of them. I'm not even scared

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of them, but when the aforementioned friend,

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Yummy, when he was back in Australia,

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he was sending me pictures of the

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shit. Like he's like, my mom found

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this in the shower. And I'm like,

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Jesus Christ, man, that's horrifying. That's just

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in your, your 70 year old mom

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just took care of that. That's horrifying.

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And maybe I'm a bad Australian, but I'm like,

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no, that is absolutely not okay in any way.

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I think like they're so horrible, but the worst

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is if you then can't see it, like

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they'll often like maybe be on the windscreen of a

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car and you're like, fuck, fuck, fuck. But then it

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disappears and you're like, well, now is it inside the

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car? Like that's where I'm not playing with it.

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Like my back of my neck started

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sweating, just imagining that. Oh,

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it's awful. This friend, his sister was visiting and

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she told me a story that she,

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they all kind of live in like rural areas.

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So she, there was a spider in

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their pool and I guess there's

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a person you call that's called

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like the spider man in their

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neighborhood. So she's like, I have to call

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the spider man to get

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the spider out of the pool. And her son

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who's like six or five is like, absolutely

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ecstatic at the idea of spider man. But she's

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like, but I don't know how to tell him

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that when spider man shows

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up, it's like a fucking toothless redneck, like

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Aussie guy who's like, oh my, this is

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a fucking spider. And like just goes in

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the pool and like pulls it out and

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like, if it's non venomous brings it, so

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whatever they do with it. But he, the

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son was so crestfallen. I'm like, I think,

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you know, trademark rules, we should call him

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something other than the spider. Well,

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honestly, like that man is setting himself up

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for like the worst interactions. Because you know

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what you're doing. If you call yourself the

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spider man, you're going to upset children of

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the community every single day. Like his life

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is so bad. Every situation he walks into,

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people are mad at him. People are let

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down by his appearance every single time.

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Why don't you have a mask on,

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sir? Yeah, that's terrible. That's

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really funny. Well, thankfully no

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spiders in any pools near me. But

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TBD, every day is a new day. It's an

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adventure out there. So have

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you ever been? Do you want to come to Australia? I want

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to come so bad. Here's what's funny. I've never

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been to Australia, even though my best friend is

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from there. But I've been to New Zealand twice,

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and he hates that. Twice!

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I know, because my wife ended up working

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there twice, so I got to tag along

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on a free hotel type situation. But

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he's like, I mean, that's like, I guess,

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the equivalent of coming all the

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way over here and just going to Canada twice or whatever.

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Well, it feels like you had to swing and miss to

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get to New Zealand twice, because it's like, we're

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so small, but New Zealand is even tinier. So

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it's like, how did you miss us and get

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there? I mean, it's better. New Zealand rules. I'll

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give it that. It fucking rules. Yeah.

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Also, I'm so ethnocentric. I was like,

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to my Aussie friends, I'm like, oh, I'm going to New

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Zealand. Do you have any air command? And he's like, I've

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never been. I'm like, what? You're

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like a world traveler. He's like, oh, am I, you

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know, I'm like, OK, fine. Basically,

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the thing about Australians is we never travel in

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our own country or to New Zealand. It's like

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the minute you can get on a plane, you

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go as far as possible. People at 17, 19

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are straight to Europe, but

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they won't respond to the next state over.

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If I may stereotype Aussies a little

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bit as a bit of a party

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animal and world traveler myself, if

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you go to a location that's

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famously cheap and famously a party

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vibe, you're going to find a

7:28

large contingent of Aussies, like Bali,

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chock full of Aussies, Fiji,

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chock full, fucking Oktoberfest

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in Munich. I could not, in Germany,

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I could not realize

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how many fucking Aussies I was going to run

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into there. It's the worst.

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You're like, I left the country for a reason.

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I want to be away from these people. And

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then you hear, like, probably like your friend's accent,

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that really bogus, like, oh, get I'm right out

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of here. And you're like, no. Los

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Angeles is bad enough. Like, I hated

7:59

being in Australia. in Los Angeles because it's

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more common than being from Los Angeles. Yeah.

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And if you go to like a

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ski mountain too, you're like apparently Whistler

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and whatever in Vancouver is fucking like Aussie

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bait. He's like, yeah, I have to do

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an Aussie meetup. There's like, you know, 200

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of us. I'm like, what the

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fuck are you guys doing? Because in my

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head, you're all like, I have shark tooth

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necklaces and go surfing, but I guess, you

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know, snow, you're just outdoorsy people in general.

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I feel like. I think like the concept of

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snow is so like sexy

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and mysterious because like we have a

8:33

few mountains, right? But like really nothing and

8:35

maybe you grew up surfing your whole life.

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The idea of like, yeah, skiing and that

8:40

like culture of hot chocolate by

8:42

the fire seems really cool. Oh, right.

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Yeah. That's totally. Yeah.

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That's why I guess I'm from the Northeast. So that's America. So

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that's like temperate, but it

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makes me hate the snow. Like I'm so happy to

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be a show cow like Beach Boy. I don't want

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to. I don't want to fuck about snow anymore. Like

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what is your relationship to beaches? Did

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you grow up being like a son

9:03

kid? Yeah, I grew up. My

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dad worked evenings three

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to 11 in New York City. And

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I grew up on Long Island, which is just outside of New

9:13

York City. And on the South Shore, it's

9:16

the Atlantic Ocean there. And we

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went to the beach every single day

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that it wasn't raining every summer from

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8 a.m. to 1 p.m. every single.

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And then I eventually would become

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a lifeguard at the beach and hang out

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at the beach on my own and take

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up surfing and stuff in high school and

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shit. But yeah, from like the age of like

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and our vacation every year was in

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the summer, we would go out to Montauk,

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which is like the furthest tip of Long

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Island for like an eight day beach vacation.

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And then in the winter, we would drive

9:46

to Florida to go to beaches and pools

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down there. My family is just a full

9:50

blown. We still go to

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Montauk every summer and just sit around in a circle

9:55

and drink like at the beach. Like

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we are a full blown beach family. My

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brain is broken in a way where it

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doesn't feel like vacation unless there's a beach

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there. And that's something I've

10:06

learned that now there's in my mind two

10:08

types of vacation, where you go to

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a city and do a bunch of cool shit and then the kind

10:12

where you sit by a beach and do nothing. Well,

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I think there's travel and there's vacation,

10:17

right? Travel is what I'm like. Ooh,

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I like that. Yeah, that's a distinction. Travel is like

10:21

we've got an itinerary, we're seeing all the sights and

10:23

we're going to learn and educate ourselves. And then vacation

10:26

is I'm lying down, I'm in the sun, I'm relaxed.

10:28

I'm sleeping in, I don't have to

10:30

wake up and walk to the La

10:32

Sagrada Familia at fucking 7am for my

10:34

reservation or whatever. That

10:37

makes travel versus vacation. I haven't heard that.

10:39

I like that. Yeah, I think

10:41

about it a lot. It's like, what do you want out

10:43

of your time off? And sometimes you do want to be

10:45

like, I want to fill my brain with a bunch of

10:47

new stuff and be going from like dawn to dusk. And

10:49

other times you're like, I need to rest. I'm so tired.

10:53

Yeah, that's a vacation. My two vacations are like, I

10:55

need to just lay around to do nothing or I

10:57

need to eat 4,000 calories

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and walk 12 miles every day. What

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I end up doing is eating 4,000 calories and

11:04

lying and doing nothing and you come home in

11:06

quite a way. The dream, yeah.

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And I'll say

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to my agent, like no auditions for

11:13

the first week or two while I

11:15

go in the sauna and dehydrate myself

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for some time. Let me get my

11:19

vegemite in the sauna. Let's talk saunas.

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I'm glad, powerful segue from Ms. Ruffel

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these days. Thank you so much.

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Holy shit, the sauna is

11:28

– I've always dug saunas in

11:30

steam rooms since I was in my like late

11:33

teens, early 20s because my pop-pop, my

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grandpa was a big like

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go for a swim in a schwitz even though he wasn't

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Jewish. That's what he would call it. He was Italian and

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he would say like go down to the rec center, you

11:45

get a swim in and then all the men, we all

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go in the steam room. And I always thought that was

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so cool. And then as I got older, I got

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really into the vibes of saunas

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and then in the last like

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five years, in the last eight years, I've

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gotten more into it. But in the last five years, I feel like

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the world has gotten really into

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them. They've burst into popularity. That's what I'm going

12:05

to say. They've gotten cool now. Yeah. Again,

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it's because of this functional fitness

12:11

kind of like, you know, Huberman,

12:15

Rogan, that world of people.

12:17

I'm lumping people together. Their

12:19

beliefs are all over the

12:21

place. But I just mean

12:23

there's this push towards the

12:25

cold plunge, kettlebell, sauna, zone

12:27

two, cardio, and HIIT

12:30

train, all this stuff that's like, it used

12:32

to just be like cardio and weights was

12:34

weird, or like for just for bodybuilders or

12:36

just for toning. Now there's so

12:38

much. And then all the evidence

12:41

about saunas points to like wild

12:44

amount of like benefits.

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Well, that my question for you is like,

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how much of that do you know? Because

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I always feel like I have peripheral knowledge

12:54

of a few studies that seem to indicate

12:56

it's really good for your health. But I

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just love doing it. But then I have

13:00

that as like a backup, if anyone ever

13:02

said, also, it's because it's become my hobby.

13:04

And I feel maybe ashamed a

13:06

little bit as an adult to not really have any

13:08

hobbies. Or if I do have a hobby, it's like

13:10

reading my book in the sauna. But at least I

13:12

can back it up with these like few bits of

13:14

evidence that I've heard one time about how it's

13:16

really good for you. Yeah, well, here's the

13:18

thing. I for the longest time, just

13:21

liked the sauna how I felt after

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it how I felt during it. And

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I've noticed some things like, you know, I've been doing it

13:29

a lot for over the last few

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years. And I think like last

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month, I tried to I signed up for unlimited at

13:35

the local sauna place to just see and I did

13:38

like 28 out of 31

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days. I did 45 minutes

13:42

in infrared followed

13:44

by like a couple of minutes in the cold

13:47

plunge. I did it every day for like four

13:49

straight weeks. I never felt better in my life.

13:52

Oh my god, that is a dream run. Okay, wait,

13:54

so talk to me about the you in a private

13:56

sauna or are you with other people? Okay, yeah.

13:58

So over the years. I've been at a

14:01

few different gym memberships. My old gym

14:03

was the Hollywood Boulders, the rock climbing

14:05

gym here, and they had weights, but

14:08

also they had a dry sauna in the locker

14:10

room. And so that was a group sauna, and

14:12

I liked that because there was cold showers right

14:14

out, so you can blast yourself with a cold

14:16

shower and get back in. It

14:18

was a little frustrating, because there's always

14:20

two lunatics in those kind of situations.

14:25

And then the new gym I belong to is installing

14:30

a sauna, so in the meantime, I joined a

14:32

little sauna and cold plunge

14:34

place, which are popping up everywhere. There's

14:37

a high-end studio called

14:39

PAWS, P-A-U-S-E, which

14:42

is floating tanks, saunas,

14:44

cold plunges, all that kind of

14:46

shit. And there

14:48

are also a bunch of, and this

14:51

is one of the major benefits of living in

14:53

Los Angeles. If a weird

14:55

subculture pops up, you can

14:57

find a way to do it here. It's

15:00

such a major metropolitan area in

15:03

addition to caterers to weirdos. So

15:05

like- But it also cates to people that have

15:07

money, and they know that that's

15:09

the way of, and people that are interested

15:11

in health particularly. I think niche health fads

15:14

go absolutely nuts in LA, and most places

15:16

will not have even heard of them. Right,

15:18

that's a great point. There's a big

15:20

whirlwind of shit going on here with

15:22

money. The market is here. There

15:24

are tons of people with lots of, tons of

15:26

rich people with lots of free time. I

15:29

feel like that's what I'm learning in Los Angeles, is

15:31

that just a lot of kept

15:33

people. You know? I mean- I

15:35

could never get over at the gym. The busiest time of

15:37

day was between 11 and three, and

15:39

it's like in Australia, if I go to the gym

15:41

at that time, there is not a soul there. Maybe

15:44

one blue collar guy

15:47

coming in on his lunch break and powering

15:49

through a workout. But here, if you go

15:51

in the morning, it's empty. If

15:53

you go after work, it's dead. It's so weird. But

15:55

on Long Island, when I first start going to the

15:58

gym, it'd be like, we have to get there. and

16:00

get out before 5 p.m. or else

16:02

every dude from fucking finance is gonna

16:04

start rolling in. 100%. But

16:07

the sauna is like, I dream of

16:10

having one in my home. That's like a goal

16:12

forever. Sauna in an outdoor shower are

16:14

my two, I want, I don't even have

16:16

a yard or a dishwasher or anything right

16:18

now. I live in a tiny ass apartment.

16:20

But sauna in an

16:23

outdoor shower are my peak. A

16:26

mutual friend of ours and Ryan

16:28

Stanger, he got a fucking

16:30

like wood barrel sauna in his backyard.

16:33

I've never been more envious of a

16:35

person. Especially because he had that

16:37

through COVID, right? And I was so furious because

16:39

I couldn't go to a public one. And that

16:41

was the thing that I missed more than anything.

16:43

And imagining that like waking up and being able

16:46

to turn it on. Especially during COVID when you're

16:48

like trapped at home, it's like, yeah, I'll do a

16:50

double dip today. I'll do a, you know, ah,

16:53

it's, it's so fucking

16:55

good. And so

16:57

things I've ended up realizing I liked about it.

16:59

I really like the

17:01

kind of, it motivates me to get to the

17:03

gym. Like if I'm not feeling like going to

17:05

the gym, I'm like, well, you'll get to

17:07

do the sauna. And it's like, fine, just go

17:10

and do just the sauna. And then you show

17:12

up there and you're like, I could do fucking

17:14

20 minutes of weights or 20 minutes on the

17:16

bike or whatever. But the sauna gets me there

17:18

because it's like my reward. And then

17:21

after the sauna and then a blast of cold,

17:23

whether it's a plunge or a cold shower, and

17:25

then you, there's just something

17:27

like I think my skin feels better.

17:29

And a few elements

17:31

at play here, you're drinking so much water because you

17:34

know you're supposed to, which I think is, you

17:36

know, probably generally a little helpful in

17:39

life to just add a couple of liters of

17:42

water to your day. I've heard people are saying

17:44

that. Yeah, rumor has it. I'm

17:46

not fully on board yet. I'm, we're

17:49

on the cutting edge of fitness, but I ain't

17:51

trying fucking water just yet, baby. I'll

17:55

give that one a little more time, get a bit

17:57

more research. Let me see what Dr. Rhonda Patrick

17:59

says. about water. She's

18:04

the big sauna proponent who like,

18:06

she's found my fitness on Instagram.

18:08

She's a very, she's a doctor

18:10

and very interesting and talks

18:12

about saunas a lot. And there she's the one

18:15

who I first heard the 20% reduction

18:17

in like all cause mortality that like

18:19

they did in that finished study. Oh

18:22

my god, that's the one I've latched on to too.

18:24

That's the one everyone, it's

18:26

got the phrase all cause

18:28

mortality reduction. Meaning- Yeah, you even

18:31

sound smart saying death that way. Like

18:33

everything about it makes you seem like

18:36

a really intelligent person. But

18:38

literally she says, the studies have

18:40

shown that it just reduces your chance

18:42

of death in general. Like that's fucking

18:45

crazy. And I like

18:47

it so much. And it's like the first thing that

18:49

everyone has said, it like is also,

18:52

and we've always known this, but

18:54

it's becoming more and more popular. Sleeping well

18:56

is also like a big new health thing.

18:58

And sleeping well and the sauna are two

19:01

things I love to do. So it's like,

19:03

you tell me these are super healthy? All

19:05

right, I'm going to really focus on. And

19:08

I find I sleep great if I did the

19:10

sauna that day. It knocks you out in a

19:13

like in a way. It's hard

19:15

to like exercise after you sauna. Like even if you

19:17

sauna in the morning- I can't do that. That's

19:19

crazy. You have to like end in

19:21

the sauna. Otherwise like I'm soaking wet.

19:23

And I feel like that's absolutely like

19:25

the way I'm wrapping up the

19:28

workout. Yeah. And there's been some studies,

19:30

and again, I think I'm quoting

19:32

Dr. Rhonda Patrick here, that

19:34

going into the sauna post cardio

19:36

or post exercise can

19:38

trick your body into a little bit of

19:41

like you're still going. So

19:43

you can add some benefits to

19:45

your cardiovascular or whatever

19:47

exercise, your calorie burning, whatever your focus is.

19:49

I think because the body assumes it's like

19:52

because it's still working and fighting with the

19:54

heat shock proteins and shit. Oh,

19:57

that's great. I just find I think it helps

19:59

me recover. Like if

20:01

I do a big run and then don't

20:03

do that versus going in the sauna afterwards,

20:05

the next day I'm not a sauna and

20:08

I'm able to still maybe exercise again if

20:10

I do. Yeah, because it improves your

20:12

circulation, it winds you down

20:14

after. Also again,

20:16

just like accidental side

20:18

effects, can't really bring

20:20

your phone in there. And so then

20:23

it's like, it's at least 15 to 20

20:25

minutes where you're not looking at your phone

20:27

or like watching TV or something. You're just

20:29

like, oh, I'm borderline

20:31

meditating like kind of by

20:34

accident, just forceful, not forceful meditation. No,

20:36

but it is. Well,

20:38

it's like, it helps me do that because I

20:41

know that meditation is something that I absolutely should

20:43

be adding into my day and I just cannot

20:45

get on board with it. But

20:47

in the sauna, it's like that quiet

20:49

time. But what I've started doing and

20:51

maybe is bad, but I find it

20:54

really like peaceful. I take

20:56

my book in. No, that's great. I

20:59

never used to have time to read. I love

21:01

reading. And now I've read, I think I'm on

21:03

like my 23rd book for the year. It absolutely

21:05

rocks because I don't think about the times. I

21:07

don't notice like how hot and sweaty I'm getting.

21:10

And maybe it's not like being at it. Real

21:14

quick cutaway here. Get back to the book in a

21:16

second. You have to play because if you just

21:18

think about how hot you are, you're going to bug out and

21:20

get out of there in two minutes. I

21:22

have like a routine that I do that is

21:25

like a few different stretches and ankle rolls

21:27

and wrist rolls and shoulder and neck stuff.

21:30

All this stuff that I can do kind

21:32

of from a seated position that I have

21:34

built in because the second I start

21:37

to like I try to sit there and just

21:39

relax for the second I start getting real hot

21:41

and antsy is like, okay, I have like this

21:43

five minute routine I could do which will carry

21:45

me through because even though it's making me a

21:48

little warmer, it's distracting me. The book is totally.

21:50

Do you have to buy like do

21:52

your paperbacks get destroyed? Like not

21:55

at all. And this is like every single person and

21:58

we'll get on to like the kind of behavior. you

22:00

see it a sauna in a second because I

22:02

have to talk about the most insane situations that

22:04

I found myself in. But most people like they'll

22:06

see you reading a book and immediately want to

22:08

engage. And I'm like, my man, the book was

22:10

a block. The book is just stopping you talking

22:12

to me. I'm clearly doing something. But they always

22:14

like, oh, it doesn't destroy the book, which again,

22:17

I'm like, you can see the book

22:19

is fine. But

22:21

you take a little talent. And

22:23

it's like, it's never been a problem.

22:25

Also, if it means I read the book, and it's

22:27

like a little bit like water damaged at the end,

22:29

who gives a shit, it was like sitting on my

22:31

shelf collecting dust, it's still a better alternative.

22:35

And I stay in the sauna for literally double the

22:37

time. Right. And that's important too,

22:39

is I get in that full fucking rinse

22:41

in the full 20 minutes, half hour, whatever you're aiming

22:44

to do. Yeah, yeah,

22:46

dude, people's behavior in

22:48

the sauna is fucking wild.

22:50

Wild. It's not it's kind

22:53

of like airport rules, where people feel like

22:55

they can just do things that you would

22:57

not do anywhere else. Right. And

22:59

I think part of it is because

23:01

you are so hot, it is stressful.

23:04

So you're like looking for any port in the storm.

23:06

So that's why someone just turns and it's like, what

23:09

do you do for a living? And you're like,

23:11

I'm fucking in a zone here, man.

23:13

I do not want to engage with you. It's

23:16

like there's no energy left to have

23:18

like, social norms. So people will just

23:20

like say the weirdest shit or like,

23:22

people shave their legs, they click their

23:24

toenails, like, that kind of stuff. I'm

23:26

like, you are in a public place.

23:28

We are breathing the same air. How

23:31

did you think this was a good choice?

23:33

Yeah, absolutely. There was a dude who would

23:36

drink topo chico

23:38

like really loudly and then go

23:40

like, and like burp. I'm like,

23:43

I think you need flat water

23:45

for while you're in the sauna

23:47

mate. Because it was this fucking

23:50

disgusting. And this guy had a

23:52

YouTube tattoo. Oh,

23:54

no. Oh, I just outed who it

23:56

is. Maybe I should. No,

23:58

fuck it. He was nasty. But

24:01

also, they're fully burped. We know

24:03

what you're doing. Don't try and like, hop

24:05

hold it in. That's somehow even more upsetting.

24:07

I know. And even people who

24:09

wear headphones, I'm like, think about

24:12

the volume. We're in like a

24:14

12-square-foot room. We

24:18

don't need you blasting fucking

24:20

Joe Rogan most fre- Dude,

24:23

just watch YouTube videos on their phone

24:25

in the sauna. I'm like, this is

24:27

driving me fucking crazy. That

24:30

is bananas. How's your

24:32

technology not getting too hot? People

24:35

have loopholes. Well, so now we

24:37

can get into a little bit. There

24:39

is the hot, dry sauna, classic traditional

24:41

sauna, where they heat the air. And

24:44

then there's infrared, which is like

24:46

a new kind of technology that's cheaper and easier and

24:48

you find more and more saunas are like that. People

24:52

will tell you that, oh yeah, it's still good, but a lot of

24:54

people will tell you it's not the same. Isn't

24:56

it supposed to heat you more internally? That's

24:59

their whole claim to fame in the room?

25:01

Yeah, because it doesn't heat the air. It

25:03

microwaves you or whatever. And so your phone

25:05

doesn't get, yeah, I know it doesn't sound

25:07

good. Your phone doesn't get as

25:09

hot. But I've seen

25:11

people do cold washcloths

25:14

with their phone in it. I've

25:16

seen people do things to protect their phone so

25:18

that they could be, that's how addicted we as

25:20

a people are to our phone. Is that like,

25:23

all right, yeah, I'm going to figure out a

25:25

way to bring it into the 170-degree room

25:28

that I'm going in. Right, like if you can't

25:30

be away from it for like eight minutes, you really

25:32

need to have a look at what's your relationship

25:34

to it. I know. And I

25:37

am one of those people that needs to look into

25:39

what my, I have to like, I have to adjust.

25:41

Yeah. Oh, we're all fucked.

25:43

We're like, it's so like, even

25:45

doing this, it's like, this is probably the

25:47

longest all day that I've not checked my

25:49

notifications. And you start to be like, oh,

25:52

I wonder if something's come. It's so prolific.

25:54

Our brains are just so, so overwhelmed by

25:56

it now. It's disgusting. Like, I go to the beach

25:58

and I'm like, I'm going to I bring a

26:00

book, a joint, a this, and I'm going to stare

26:02

at the ocean. It's so peaceful. And

26:05

then I end up in my beach chair

26:07

just looking at Instagram for an

26:09

hour and I'm like, what the fuck am I

26:11

doing? I could be doing this at home.

26:13

I'm at the beach. There's an ocean. There's

26:15

people surfing. Look. And it's

26:18

like, yeah, but what if there

26:20

are girls with bikinis

26:22

deadlifting or whatever? I'm

26:25

not even looking at anything in particular. It's

26:27

like reflexive. Honestly,

26:30

that's worth it's a habit. Like you don't even you

26:32

it's in your hand and you're looking at it before

26:34

you've realized you've done it. Just talking about

26:36

it right now. I'm feeling this

26:39

is insane. I'm feeling like a

26:41

psychosomatic kind of pain

26:43

in my hand from the way

26:46

my hand has to hold the phone. I'm

26:48

feeling it in my thumb and pinky, which is like

26:50

something I get from holding my phone too much. I

26:53

have to figure something out. I have to break

26:55

it. Yeah. But my question, because

26:57

I think about it a lot too, but

26:59

I don't know what the answer is because

27:01

it's like you and I so much of

27:04

our job unfortunately requires that. It's either like

27:06

the online promotion side of it or you

27:08

have to have like be getting emails for

27:10

auditions and take like I don't know how

27:12

you could live without it, but I don't

27:14

know how to have a healthy relationship half

27:16

with it. Okay, I think I

27:18

think that's where I'm struggling to like and

27:21

I do feel like I'm not putting this on you.

27:23

I'm going to put it on myself. I do feel

27:25

like there's a little bit of like excuses I'm

27:27

throwing around like, well, no, I need to know

27:29

what's going on on Instagram and Twitter at all

27:31

times. And it's like, I probably

27:33

don't actually, I could probably

27:36

design a healthy relationship with

27:38

my phone. Like if I'm

27:40

like, even if I

27:42

said, imagine you said, imagine you said 90

27:44

minutes a day, you get two 45 minute

27:47

chunks to do whatever the fuck you want on your phone.

27:50

If you told me that when I was younger, I'd be like, what am

27:52

I gonna do for that? Now that would be a huge

27:54

cutback. Yeah, crazy. That's

27:57

bad. I think my problem is

27:59

I know that. But in every

28:01

other facet of my life, I don't

28:03

tend to do things half, right? I'm either like all

28:05

in or all out. And that goes for like exercise,

28:07

food, all of those kind of things. So I think

28:10

deep down, I'm like, yeah, I know I can't have

28:12

a healthy relationship. So I do need to get rid

28:14

of it completely, but we can't because I don't think

28:16

that I can survive without it 100%. So

28:19

it is like testing all of those things where normally you just

28:21

be like, right, that's it. That's not

28:23

in my life. I'm like, fuck. It is in my life

28:25

and it's destroying it. Dude, I hear

28:27

you. I hear you so much. And that's why finding

28:30

these activities that eliminate the phone for

28:33

me, excuse me, I'm having

28:35

topo Chico. Things

28:40

that finding things that I don't know who he

28:42

was. He

28:46

just had a use. He had the tattoo of like the

28:49

3d glasses on his arm. I do not know who

28:51

he is. Yeah. But

28:53

I would just evil, right? That's a no, I

28:55

know. I know Eric Appel has that

28:57

tattoo and it wasn't him. Appel

29:01

is my friend. I would recognize him and also tell

29:03

him to stop burping in the song. Dude,

29:06

the worst one I've ever had. It was in

29:08

the Bronx in New York City in a sauna

29:10

in a steam room. Sorry. So

29:13

remember like moisture in the air. Yeah. The

29:15

room for people who are confused. The steam room is

29:18

like the tile one that has is humid

29:20

with like vapor and you

29:22

know, sometimes it's got eucalyptus oil in the

29:24

air or whatever. And then saunas

29:26

like the dry wood one. Yeah. Yeah.

29:30

And you wished as eucalyptus in the air. I'm telling you the ones that

29:32

I was going to and I was in America, feet like hot

29:34

feet, right? Like microwaved feet.

29:36

It's disgusting sometimes. Yeah. If

29:39

a feet had a butt, that is what it smells like.

29:41

It's like the fart of a pinky

29:43

toe. Yeah. Whatever

29:45

that man when he goes like that is

29:48

the smell of the steam room. But

29:51

a lady walked in with a full burrito

29:53

and then unwrapped it and proceeded to eat

29:55

it in the steam room. And I'm like,

29:57

okay, in the sauna, it would have been

29:59

insane enough. But there's something about like

30:01

the wet droplets of the air. You're

30:03

not even enjoying that. You're not only

30:05

ruining everyone else's experience, you're ruining your

30:08

own experience of eating the burrito. When

30:10

it gets that hot, I don't feel like I

30:12

don't want to eat a burrito when I'm sweating.

30:14

If you're sweating and wet and then like the

30:16

paper is disintegrating and it's just like meat juices

30:18

into the air, it was so wild. It's

30:22

so gross because like when you order

30:24

like delivery or something and the bag

30:26

gets a little steamy and everything gets

30:28

a little like damp and moisture, you're

30:30

like, ew, gross. And now you're just

30:33

like bringing it into the fucking swamp

30:35

that is a Bronx steam

30:37

room. Jesus Christ. The Bronx steam room, by

30:39

the way, sounds like one of those like

30:41

weird sex moves that's like only

30:43

like a nasty joke for like high school

30:45

kids. Ew, dude, I want to give

30:47

her a Bronx steam room. And

30:51

both of those things smell the exact same. But

30:55

I'm like, what is the progression that got her

30:58

to, because you don't start eating a burrito in

31:00

the steam room, right? Like that kind of

31:02

been first thought. It's like a little incremental

31:04

thing. She's been having yogurt in there every day.

31:07

Ew. I don't know why yogurt I think is

31:09

the grossest thing you could eat in a sauna. Yogurt

31:11

is so much better. Like I'll accept

31:13

fruit. You know,

31:15

people, I'll see them eating like oranges, apples, and I'm

31:17

like, we're in a world

31:20

where that's acceptable. Yogurt even somehow I'm

31:22

like, okay. I'll be on board for

31:24

this. But it's like the meat element

31:26

is so hot. Yeah, there's something nasty about like

31:28

a meal. Like I understand people like you might

31:30

need to jam down some snacks or something, but

31:32

the idea of a meal in the sauna is

31:34

like, you're, it's like, no, babe,

31:37

you don't need to do this multitasking. You

31:39

could wait 10 minutes and eat that burrito

31:41

or wait 10 minutes and hit the steam

31:43

room. Just do one at a time.

31:46

Yeah, it's going to be 10 to 12

31:48

minutes of your day. If you can't get

31:50

through that without needing a burrito, I don't

31:52

know what to tell you. Right. It's

31:55

like, I don't think you really want to be in the steam room

31:57

if you've got to bring a fucking burrito in with you.

31:59

I don't think you're built for this, as

32:02

the kids say. So

32:04

you were saying before about, I guess, that

32:07

and cold plunges and the broader health

32:10

trends that are around now. So

32:12

are you into all of that? Has that

32:15

become, are you cold plunging as well? I'm

32:17

trying to cold plunge as well. The place

32:19

I joined is

32:22

a sauna and cold plunge place. So

32:24

you book a 45-minute sauna and you

32:26

get a 15-minute cold plunge after. You

32:29

have to book both. You have to pay for both. It's like

32:31

you get like four a month or six a month or

32:33

eight a month depending on what you're

32:36

paying, classic punch card type

32:38

of situation. I've

32:42

also done that high-end place pause.

32:45

That's cool because the room you rent, and

32:47

that's very expensive, but the room you rent

32:50

has the sauna and the cold plunge in

32:52

the room and you get it for an

32:54

hour. So you can go back and forth,

32:56

which is the real. Contrast

33:00

therapy, as they call it, is

33:04

really good for your blood pressure and shit

33:06

like that. Just like going

33:08

super cold to super hot,

33:11

not like directly in and

33:13

out of each one because that could be a little

33:16

system shock. But it's

33:18

so fucking enjoyable. I

33:21

truly believe if I had a sauna and a cold

33:23

shower, a sauna and a cold plunge in my house,

33:25

I would be the healthiest. I could live to be

33:27

100 or something like that. Oh,

33:29

100 percent. We'd be kings. But have

33:32

you found that the cold plunge, have

33:34

you felt a health difference? Looking

33:36

at just through the camera, you look really

33:38

well at the moment. Oh, thank you. Yeah,

33:41

I think I've gotten like, I think it

33:43

helps my skin. I think it does make

33:45

me feel, it makes

33:47

me feel better. You

33:50

feel really good after you do it. You get like

33:52

that weird tingle for the day. I see

33:54

that I've improved at it. Like I've gotten like,

33:56

I can hold in, I can stay in longer.

34:00

than I could previously, which I don't know if that

34:02

means any actual health benefits,

34:04

but I can at least see improvement. And

34:07

then I feel

34:09

like it was doing something. I do hear

34:12

some people in reference

34:14

to hypertrophy, like to building muscle,

34:17

that some people would say that the

34:19

cold plunge could, because

34:22

your muscle is supposed to like repair

34:24

itself to rebuild, to be bigger and

34:26

stronger, the cold plunge could work against

34:28

that antagonistically with that at times, but

34:31

I'm not trying to be a bodybuilder. I'm

34:33

just trying to live a little longer and

34:36

undo years of bad behavior. So

34:38

I think it's doing something, and that's the thing

34:41

about all this. And I will say for the

34:43

last few weeks, I haven't been

34:45

sauna and cold plunging, and I do feel

34:48

worse and I am having a harder time going

34:50

to sleep at night and a harder time waking

34:52

up in the morning and stuff. I

34:56

do now without it realize I

34:59

don't know if I need it, but I certainly

35:02

miss it without it now. Like pulling

35:04

it out of my routine, I do feel

35:06

worse. Okay. I mean,

35:08

like that's just interesting to know. Like that's

35:10

good intelligence for you to have of like, oh,

35:12

I actually can feel a tangible difference in

35:14

my day. And I don't know if I could like,

35:16

if there was a metric to

35:18

show. And at this point in

35:21

my life, like if something is allegedly

35:23

healthy, but more importantly, I feel good

35:25

doing it, that's like enough for me.

35:27

You know what I mean? Like, it's

35:29

more than enough. And the main thing is it's stopping

35:31

me from doing something that is bad for me, which

35:33

my whole day is just like, how can I get

35:35

through the day without fucking up my whole life? And

35:38

so I get distressed myself with these like

35:40

good activities. It's like, well, that's an hour

35:43

done that I don't have to worry about.

35:45

Only got 23 hours left. Whatever.

35:48

Yeah. Only got 23 hours left. Hopefully

35:50

no mess. But let's hit the cold

35:53

plunging again. Kill a little time here.

35:55

Yeah. And I

35:58

found that it really. I

36:01

did feel I do feel really especially

36:03

right after right after a sauna and

36:05

then you take like a cold rinse

36:07

or something like That the way you

36:09

feel and I'm drinking tons of

36:11

water during this so I'm not really losing

36:14

the water weight that everyone talks about Mm-hmm.

36:17

Also I've been fucking

36:19

experimenting a little bit with drinking

36:21

salts with electrolytes In

36:24

the sauna and that's been and that's

36:26

been really really rich for me I've

36:29

been drinking salt because that just makes

36:31

me think of like when people were eating bath salts

36:33

and I

36:36

like cuta guys face off in the sauna

36:38

because he was burping man, and

36:41

I thought the burrito was weird Don't

36:44

eat a burrito eat your fucking fellow man's

36:46

face No

36:48

drinking salts are like Electro

36:51

light beverages, you know, like like

36:53

but without the sweetener So

36:56

there's no sweetness to it. So it does just

36:58

taste like salty watermelon water or salty you

37:01

know raspberry water or whatever you're doing and

37:05

and it's supposed to be really good for hydrant and

37:07

I do feel really good and I don't feel like

37:09

as sapped after

37:11

as tapped sapped and tapped Again,

37:14

that sounds gross. I got to give her

37:17

a bronch steamer, but first she wants to

37:19

sappin Yeah, so I know that's become like

37:21

a Habit

37:28

of mine post gym is like jumping

37:30

the sauna with my electrolytes drink that

37:33

down cold plon shower and start the

37:35

day But I will say I Like

37:38

the sauna so much. I do think

37:40

my actual gym going and my actual

37:42

fitness is Suffering a little

37:45

bit because I'll be like oh shit

37:47

I only have two hours left and it's like oh

37:49

I got oh shit if I don't get to the

37:51

like I'll make a sauna appointment at my place and

37:53

be like, alright sauna appointments at 1230 That

37:56

means if I get to the gym at 11, I could work

37:58

out to like 11 20 and then run over to

38:00

the sauna place. And then you get to the gym

38:02

instead at like 10.40 and you're like,

38:04

well, I still really want to go to the sauna, so

38:06

I guess I'll just do 20 minutes of working out and

38:08

then hit the sauna. So that was happening to

38:10

me quite a bit last month. So I have to

38:12

like get a little bit

38:15

better at, surprise, surprise, I have to get

38:17

a little bit better at time management. The

38:19

guy who can't get off his fucking phone,

38:21

the guy's 41 and never had a real

38:23

job, 9 to 5. Yeah, no shit, I'm

38:25

not good with time management. Nah, man,

38:27

it's overrated. But I'm the same, like

38:30

I will prioritize the sauna well over

38:32

like a workout or like, I

38:34

don't know, probably a fun thing.

38:36

I'd rather like even social commitments I'll push because

38:39

I'm like, no, I want to get this in.

38:41

Like I want to kick it off for the

38:43

day. Like it genuinely sets me, I think I'm

38:45

probably like borderline obsessed with it. Whereas like, if

38:47

I don't do it, I start to feel uncomfortable

38:49

about it. Bro, picture choir. That's how I

38:51

feel. Like this last month has been hard. I

38:54

like miss the sauna, which is

38:56

like a weird thing to say, but I

38:58

miss the fucking test. No, it's true. Like,

39:00

oh, if the thing is like a half an hour

39:02

more sleep or getting to the sauna, I'm like, I'll

39:04

just set my alarm earlier because I want to know

39:06

that at least like, I've kicked that off and then

39:08

whatever happens in the day, you know, will be up

39:11

to future Amy and her choice. That's why I

39:13

want one in my house so

39:15

fucking bad. They're not actually that

39:17

expensive though. Have you actually looked up like the

39:19

prices? They are not that

39:23

expensive, but they are not like,

39:26

they are manageable. Like it's not like you're buying

39:28

a car. You're buying, it's like you're buying a

39:31

very nice electronics or something like that. It

39:33

is the issue because it is expensive, but

39:36

it's not so expensive that it's not

39:38

within the realm of like possibility. And that is

39:40

the worst price bracket because it's like, I could

39:42

do this, it would be a bad choice for

39:44

like paying a mortgage. But it is like, I

39:46

wish it was like $40,000 and just like, I

39:50

would know I never can buy it. Yeah. Every

39:53

week I'll be like, well, maybe there's like a sale and I'm

39:55

like, no, no, no. He's like, you have to pay your rent

39:57

and you're an actor. Like stop doing this. up

40:00

how much my sauna place costs

40:02

per month and I'm like, whoa,

40:04

in like four years of doing

40:06

this, I could just buy a sauna. And then

40:08

it's like, but I also don't have

40:11

the space for one. And that's where you get

40:13

into the real issues. If it

40:15

was $40,000, I could just not think about it. But

40:17

the fact that it's like five,

40:19

I could maybe save up

40:21

and get one, but I also just do not

40:23

have a place for it. Yeah.

40:25

I mean, see, that's good that you have a physical

40:28

barrier too. The place I've moved into

40:30

this year has like a pretty decent patio

40:32

and I'm like out on the patio, like

40:35

looking out at the sunrise, I would genuinely.

40:37

If you did a GoFundMe for a sauna,

40:39

I mean, it would be weirdly tacky, but

40:42

I would donate. That's right. You're

40:44

like, maybe OnlyFans is fine, right? And I could

40:46

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40:49

my niche and it would get me my sauna.

40:52

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40:54

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40:56

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40:58

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41:05

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41:07

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41:10

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41:12

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41:14

want one so bad. I

41:17

want Stanger just to like have me over

41:19

every day. I'm like, please. Yeah,

41:23

he should be like doing a low-case side business

41:25

where if he rented that out for like a

41:27

half of the price of your pause or whatever

41:29

these like bougie places are, that dude could

41:31

be making a killing. It'd be

41:33

really funny because that'd be a fun, like that's

41:36

a very smart business model except you constantly have

41:38

like sweaty naked people in your yard or whatever.

41:40

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41:42

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41:45

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41:47

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there are cultures that are very into

46:37

saunas and like it's very it's a

46:39

very much a Scandinavian thing if you

46:41

will like and when

46:44

there's a I'll send it to you

46:47

when we when we get off but there's like

46:49

a great map of like all

46:51

the saunas in Finland and

46:53

it's like my god it's like that it's

46:55

like if you map the CVS is in

46:57

America or something like that there's it's like

47:00

so inundated with dots and you're like oh

47:03

my god they have people have them

47:05

in so many people have that it's like it's

47:07

a part of their culture over there so

47:09

that rules like our map would be like the

47:11

amount of spiders in Australia like they get like

47:13

things that will murder

47:15

you if you're not care we get guns in

47:19

America yeah I think I'd rather

47:21

a fucking spiders it's

47:24

also um it's also like a very male

47:26

dominated thing like I most saunas that I

47:28

find myself in I will be

47:31

the only female there might be another one but

47:33

there are co-ed saunas oh

47:35

yeah like it's they'll just be one for whatever facilities

47:38

like I go to one at a swimming pool and

47:40

so it's just like the pool and then a sauna

47:42

in a steam room co-ed everyone's

47:44

obviously like cowed are in babies but it's

47:47

always men like I can't figure out why why

47:49

the ladies aren't doing it yeah

47:51

I wonder I wonder what that is I feel like

47:53

I think it's like

47:56

an aversion to sweating or like could you do

47:58

get pretty grossed in there right and so So

48:00

probably, you know, you can't like,

48:02

you can't like, you can't make makeup last through the

48:08

sauna. Like, you know, like, you can't be like,

48:10

you can make, maybe make makeup last through a

48:12

little bit of time on the elliptical or at

48:14

the gym, you can still like, go out for

48:16

the day with your face on. But if you

48:18

choose to do the sauna, you're like committing to,

48:20

and you're right, it is

48:22

a very, man,

48:24

like a lot of men do it. And I

48:27

wonder, I wonder what

48:29

that is. I mean,

48:31

I think you're

48:33

right, it's like an aversion to sweating, but there's

48:35

also something like the

48:37

priorities of what, of

48:41

what society says women need to do fitness

48:43

wise or whatever, you know what I mean?

48:46

It's like cardio, butts, you know,

48:48

like don't have bat wings, you

48:52

know, muscular, like, whatever

48:54

the stupid fucking body composition shit

48:56

that society is pushing on women.

49:00

saunas doesn't necessarily seem like the

49:02

quote unquote fix. Like, you

49:05

know, basically like a tabloid magazine in the 2000s did

49:07

not sell me on that I need to go in

49:09

the sauna, whereas it did tell me that I have

49:11

to like run on a treadmill for the rest of

49:13

my life and have a huge butt

49:16

but also be underweight, like all

49:18

the complicated weird. And

49:20

then for men, it's like, be buff or have

49:22

a dead body even in like men get just

49:24

to be like, whatever just works, you know, because

49:26

women aren't because the people

49:29

attracted to men are straight women

49:31

and gay men who are both

49:34

very open minded. And

49:36

then like the flip of that is like, straight

49:38

men are like, even the ugliest,

49:41

dumpiest fucking cis hetero dude in

49:43

the world is like, she's too

49:45

fat for me. It's like, what,

49:47

dude, aren't you a virgin with

49:49

fucking like, whiteheads on your

49:52

quads and you think you like, it's

49:54

like, no, I, I'm holding out for

49:56

more of like a Margot Robbie type

49:58

and you're like, okay. They

50:00

never even walked past a woman. They find

50:02

a way to vaporize when you're in the

50:04

same room. The false confidence in men

50:06

is bananas. I feel like if there's

50:08

probably been a study, but if a

50:11

study of men rate

50:13

themselves on one to 10 and rate

50:15

the women that they believe they should

50:18

want to be with on a scale one

50:21

to 10, and then have those women secretly

50:23

also rate those guys, I think would be

50:25

soul crushing. I think so many guys

50:27

are like, the

50:29

amount of people who just messaged me and be like,

50:32

we look a lot alike, man. I'm like,

50:35

no, we don't. Yes, I am. What

50:39

are you seeing? I am big

50:41

and I do have a beard. So yes, we

50:43

have that in common. But

50:46

from there, we kind of go a little

50:48

differently. Things do deviate a little bit. I

50:51

think though, for women, I think it's less about

50:56

men's opinion of them, but it's more

50:58

like we care more about what other

51:00

women think, or are so brainwashed by

51:03

media and that kind of culture of

51:05

what women ... This is so unrelated,

51:07

but I've been watching Selling Sunset. Oh,

51:10

you've got to. You've got

51:12

to. The property's amazing. That's my Oppenheimer.

51:15

Forget Chris Nolan. Oppenheimer Group is

51:17

my Oppenheimer. And forget Barbie,

51:20

this is feminism to me, Selling Sunset.

51:23

They don't even sell houses anymore on the show. It's

51:26

so funny. But you

51:28

watch that show and every episode I'm

51:30

like, am I a woman? I get

51:32

so confused about what I'm supposed to

51:34

look like, because I'm not saying that

51:36

any of them are doing anything wrong

51:38

or different. It's just very specific choices

51:40

have been made and the casting of

51:42

it is only representative of a

51:44

certain type of woman, right? Oh, yeah.

51:46

It's a narrow ... It's a

51:48

narrow beam that they're focusing on

51:50

people, but it is unusual ... I

51:52

mean, LA is unusual with

51:54

that of like ... But

51:57

these are the shows that are getting broadcast

51:59

everywhere, right? And you go, well, maybe

52:01

like that's that's the goal I'm supposed

52:03

to be like working towards because these are what like

52:06

We're telling everybody that like women should look

52:08

like and so it gets so good You're comparing

52:10

yourself to that not even like sorry the

52:12

guys don't even count I'm just like trying to

52:15

look like the woman on selling something right

52:17

right exactly like that's my goal. I want to

52:19

look like her Yeah, yeah, and I'm

52:21

31 and I'm very comfortable in myself and

52:23

it's still like fucks with my head So

52:26

I'm like what are teenagers that are look

52:28

cuz when I was a teenager people

52:30

still looked like Like

52:32

a bit more varied I guess on television in

52:34

that sense Yeah, now it's like it's

52:36

getting more and more the filter ization

52:38

of it all, you know We started there's my

52:40

faces on photo apps and now that's just what

52:42

you're supposed to do in real life And

52:45

now you can get surgery and like if you're in LA

52:47

you can get surgery or you know If

52:49

you think there's a lot of sauna and

52:51

cold plunge places There's a ton of Botox

52:53

and cryo and all that shit kind of

52:55

places out there too in LA and yeah

52:58

I mean, I think for men too,

53:01

especially in Los Angeles, it feels like

53:03

and especially for like certain

53:06

like looks of people that

53:08

they really people really it's starting to

53:10

get a little ubiquitous of how people

53:13

look homogenized like Like

53:15

the Kardashians kind of like broke Through

53:18

as to like what a type of woman could

53:20

look like and they all kind of look very

53:22

similar And then there

53:25

are countless women and you see

53:27

them in groups all that look

53:29

very similar It's a my

53:31

friend groups are all 40 something like comedians

53:33

and artists and TV people So they're a

53:35

little more varied, but you'll see like and

53:37

dudes too. You'll see groups of dudes Especially

53:41

young men like 20 something guys you'll

53:44

just like be at a pool and 720

53:47

something-year-old guys will walk in all with like

53:49

their hats backwards in the same

53:51

exact way the same shoes and like

53:54

various slight variations on bathing suits and you'd

53:57

be like what the fuck I

54:00

We know, me and my friends

54:02

dressed alike, but you also made a conscious effort

54:04

to be like, oh, are you wearing your blanks?

54:06

Well, I'm not going to wear my, you wear

54:09

your air walks? Fine, I'll wear my pumas or

54:11

whatever, going back to 1995 there. But

54:14

going back to when you were zero. Oh, but you're humiliating turning

54:16

up wearing the same clothing as someone else,

54:18

right? Whereas now it feels

54:21

like everyone has blended and become a

54:23

very similar version of-

54:25

Yeah, and I feel like it's

54:27

especially, in New York, the

54:29

joke is always because everyone just wears black

54:32

jackets. And so you're just

54:34

like, oh, everyone is got, there's

54:36

enough variation in style, I think,

54:40

in LA because of its car culture

54:42

and no public transit. You

54:44

can dress however the fuck you want. You don't

54:46

even have to dress for walking around. You could

54:48

be in an outfit that makes no

54:50

sense to participate in society. You

54:54

see people in fuzzy

54:56

slippers, super short shorts, and

54:58

a tank top with no

55:00

bra underneath, get out to buy a

55:02

coffee. And then also there'll be a

55:04

person in line behind them with six-inch

55:06

stilettos, a cocktail dress, and he'll be like, it's

55:09

like 10 AM. What the

55:11

fuck is everyone doing? There'll be a dude in full

55:14

workout gear with noise canceling headphones,

55:16

sunglasses, dressed like a fucking road

55:18

cyclist. And then behind him will

55:20

be a guy in fully dripped

55:22

out car heart, and then there'll

55:25

be another guy behind him in

55:27

a fucking ripped t-shirt and underwear.

55:30

It's like- It's like being at a casino. Casinos

55:33

are one of the other places where you get

55:35

people that you're just like, how are you all

55:37

in the same place? No one looks like they

55:39

belong to a single thing here. Right,

55:41

and I think this is part of why the

55:44

economic status of people on a casino,

55:46

it's like the $5 table is not

55:48

that far from the $100 table. And

55:52

both people want to gamble. So the $100 table

55:54

might have a certain type of, if

55:56

you want to profile the people there, $5

55:58

table you might want to- You can- You know, you go

56:00

to Vegas and you see a guy in a tank top

56:02

in a wet bathing suit and you're like, I don't think

56:04

this guy's hitting the $100 table today. He's

56:06

not in the mahogany room tonight.

56:08

No, exactly, exactly. And so I

56:10

think LA has that in droves

56:12

because it is a very, it's,

56:15

you know, I live in West Hollywood and it

56:18

is very disparate from like block

56:20

to block. It is not like, it's not

56:22

like a diverse, interesting

56:25

cultural neighborhood in any way, but economically,

56:28

it's very diverse. There's like

56:30

a $3 million mansion next to

56:33

like a 22 unit shithole like

56:35

slumlord apartment place. And

56:37

so I think that mix of people is like, is

56:39

what gives you like that casino energy of like the

56:41

coffee shop by me has $8

56:44

cold brews, but I, a bum

56:46

in cut off sweatpants, will go

56:48

there along with five women

56:50

who just got out of like a white

56:52

Range Rover or white G6 or whatever. Yeah,

56:55

you're so right. The disparity is

56:58

unlike anything else geographically, because I feel

57:00

like where I'm like here in Melbourne,

57:02

like basically your downtown, we call it

57:04

CBD, but downtown, and then

57:07

you'll have like quite wealthy suburbs for

57:09

like the next, I guess, like four

57:11

to five out. And then as you

57:13

keep going out further and further away,

57:15

socioeconomic status tends to get lower and

57:17

lower because things are cheaper and cheaper

57:19

the further out, like, right? So you

57:21

don't really have that polarizing disparity.

57:24

Whereas in LA, it is literally like

57:26

one street is so wealthy, and then

57:28

the next street is completely different. It's

57:30

unlike anything else. Yeah, and it's so and

57:32

it's because everything's so siloed to like the rich people

57:35

all go to a private school, they don't even know

57:37

their neighbors, like half the fucking $3

57:40

million homes are owned by people who aren't even in

57:42

them and shit like that. Like, there's

57:44

all that weird stuff going on in LA. And

57:46

they're all in saunas, man. I

57:49

was gonna say also a $3 million home

57:51

at this point in time is like, not

57:53

even a crazy home like here is

57:56

a million. A one

57:58

bedroom, one bath. house around the

58:01

block for me, so small, no

58:03

yard, no property. It

58:05

sold like six years

58:07

ago for $1.3 million. It was

58:11

smaller than my apartment,

58:13

smaller than my too tiny to live

58:16

in apartment. I was

58:19

like this broke all these

58:21

stupid mansions, these McMansions, these giant

58:23

boxes that they build that they're

58:25

dumb. I don't understand why anyone would want

58:27

to live in them, but they at least

58:29

feel like you're getting some space for a

58:31

couple of mill. Some of these houses are

58:33

just like, I'm like, what

58:36

is this person just going to buy this, sit

58:38

on it and sell it in two years for

58:40

like a couple hundred grand profit probably? Because it's

58:42

not like, it's hard to like

58:45

wrap your head around who would live

58:47

in those houses. Like who would buy

58:49

a $1.2 million tiny home? Well,

58:52

that's the thing. It's an investment property, right? Like they're

58:54

not going to live in it. It's just for the

58:56

land. It's just for the land to

58:58

Airbnb until the value goes up more. I

59:00

mean, I don't want to get into it,

59:03

but a lot of private equity and home

59:05

ownership these days where like BlackRock

59:07

owns like 40% of empty

59:09

vacant homes or whatever. That's

59:11

just on someone's pro. They just have that

59:14

because houses are going up

59:16

in value like crazy because some people

59:18

are lording over them. You

59:22

could just sit on 10 houses in West

59:24

Hollywood and every year, if you

59:26

own 10 homes, every year you get

59:28

40 grand in value,

59:30

600 grand. Like it could be any

59:33

amount. Like every house is going up like five

59:35

figures a year. It's like you're printing money

59:38

at that point and people are fucked up.

59:40

Yeah, we fucked up this system so far. But

59:42

right next to that is like

59:44

unhoused people living, like building, fucking

59:46

like, you know, and that

59:50

disparity is disgusting. It's

59:52

intense. And this

59:54

is all to say that saunas have a wide variety

59:56

of people inside of them. Perfect.

1:00:00

Wait, I do want to ask you a quick question though about my

1:00:03

LA real estate knowledge. And I did live there for

1:00:05

six years, so I do have like a

1:00:08

bit of an understanding. But in terms of

1:00:10

the selling sunset side of it, I've got no

1:00:12

idea because most of those houses are slightly different

1:00:14

to the version that I was living in. But

1:00:16

it'll be like, you know, an eight bedroom house,

1:00:19

12 baths. Why are

1:00:21

there 12 baths when there's only eight rooms? I do

1:00:23

not understand. Bro, I want to talk about

1:00:25

this. I think about this all

1:00:27

the time. The bigger the house

1:00:29

is, the weirder the ratio of bathrooms

1:00:31

to bedrooms. Yes. Right?

1:00:34

There's so many bathrooms. Because they're not

1:00:37

all connected to the bedrooms because there's

1:00:39

more than enough. Like it's like, it's

1:00:41

always like six bedroom, eight bath. And

1:00:43

you're like, what? What do you mean

1:00:45

eight toilet? How is it not one for one?

1:00:47

Yes. How is it not one for

1:00:49

one? God forbid, two rooms share a bath. Like,

1:00:52

you know, like heaven. No. Me

1:00:54

and my two brothers shared a bathroom for fucking 10 years.

1:00:57

Exactly. Absolutely terror. I mean,

1:01:00

before that, I only, my mom, my

1:01:02

dad and my three brothers all shared a bathroom.

1:01:05

And that was a fucking nightmare before we moved.

1:01:09

I find that crazy. And

1:01:11

yes, selling sunset will be

1:01:13

like $5 million, 10 bedrooms, 14 baths. And

1:01:17

you're like, people have bathrooms that they

1:01:19

don't even go in. That could be a fucking

1:01:21

sauna. It could be a sauna.

1:01:24

But what I, like, I think they're cowards because

1:01:26

they don't show you the floor plan. Like I

1:01:28

want to see exactly how this place is laid

1:01:30

out because I guarantee you it's batshit crazy. Dude,

1:01:33

that's why they won't show you because it'll be

1:01:35

like, you'll just go like, oh, that's tacky and

1:01:37

disgusting and stupid. I don't want to do that.

1:01:39

Like, I don't want to live there. And people

1:01:41

will be like, fair enough. Like these, the layouts

1:01:43

of these houses have to be, you just go

1:01:45

down a hallway and there's probably four bathrooms down

1:01:47

at the end of the hallway so that they

1:01:49

can just write that. Because that's part of the

1:01:51

problem too. Now that everything is kind of like

1:01:53

on paper, you know what I mean? Like

1:01:56

all the housing and the value is all on paper. You

1:01:58

can kind of see it in my. in the neighborhood of

1:02:00

West Hollywood. They'll tear down

1:02:03

a cute bungalow with the tile, Spanish

1:02:05

tile roofs, and put up a

1:02:08

fucking brutalist gray block.

1:02:11

And it'll be a fucking four

1:02:13

bedroom huge house, and

1:02:16

this is how you know it's not for someone to

1:02:18

live in. It'll have no yard.

1:02:21

It'll have absolutely no yard because

1:02:24

they've maximized the square footage. So on

1:02:26

paper, this house is a 5,000 square

1:02:29

foot house, holy shit, enormous. But

1:02:31

if you wanted to move there and you'd be

1:02:33

like, ah, weird, I'm paying $3 million and I

1:02:35

don't have any backyard. Yeah, and

1:02:37

the walls are up to the fence

1:02:39

so you're basically on your neighbor's property.

1:02:41

Yes, yes, exactly. And

1:02:43

that's just to maximize, and then you go

1:02:46

up two floors or a floor, and there's

1:02:48

this giant block that looks into the yard

1:02:50

of your neighbors and you're right

1:02:53

up against that. And it's all to maximize,

1:02:55

because that wouldn't make sense. If

1:02:57

you lived there, you'd want some space.

1:02:59

Or if you were choosing your dream

1:03:01

home, you wouldn't just maximize square footage.

1:03:03

You might have some taste or some

1:03:06

design. And that's why I think a

1:03:08

lot of those 10 bathrooms, it doesn't

1:03:10

matter about the design. They just want

1:03:12

it to, well, yeah, if you have

1:03:15

every bathroom you add, puts another 40 grand

1:03:17

in value on that. You know what I mean? There's

1:03:19

probably some algorithm that they know of, that

1:03:22

just makes it worth this much more.

1:03:24

Oh, dude, you gotta have an ADU because

1:03:26

that makes the value, anything that raises the

1:03:28

value people are gonna do, even if it

1:03:31

makes, even if you living there would be

1:03:33

like, I don't want this. But

1:03:35

like- But it's because we keep prioritizing, I

1:03:37

guess, functionality and efficiency

1:03:40

over architecture. And there's some

1:03:42

amazing threads on X, which

1:03:45

is where I get most of my good information.

1:03:47

But I remember reading it and it was like,

1:03:49

a light post in London in the 1600s, it

1:03:52

was like this ornate, gorgeous thing. And then

1:03:54

now all of our light posts are just

1:03:56

concrete, and then the light and even like

1:03:58

a mailbox or a- They

1:04:00

used to have personality or

1:04:03

style. The homes

1:04:05

that we're leaving for the next generation, which jokes on,

1:04:07

you know, the planet will be on fire, who cares?

1:04:10

But the houses are so ugly. We're

1:04:12

not leaving a beautiful architecture legacy. Even

1:04:15

the stubborn houses, they call it

1:04:17

that millennial gray, where it's just

1:04:19

like huge white houses with all

1:04:21

gray interiors, no taste, no, and

1:04:23

then a yellow door. And it's

1:04:25

just like, there you go. And

1:04:27

it's like, yeah. Because

1:04:30

architecture and design isn't valued in the way that it

1:04:32

was. It's now like, how can we make this as

1:04:34

quick as possible for as little as money and as

1:04:36

most profit? Yeah, most profit, exactly.

1:04:39

And it's because we've just like, and

1:04:43

honestly, part of it is like society

1:04:45

doesn't let us enjoy beautiful

1:04:47

things because there really isn't time. Like

1:04:50

you have to just like, no, you have to work.

1:04:53

So the value has to, it has to be worth

1:04:55

my time because I only have this much money. And

1:04:57

it's like, oh, I can move it. I need, doesn't

1:04:59

matter what it looks like. I need a home because

1:05:01

I'm drowning in renters, blah, blah, blah. And it's like,

1:05:04

the system is rigged in a way from the

1:05:06

jump to like, get us to do this shit.

1:05:08

And that's, now I'm going to

1:05:10

get on my fucking socialist high horse over here. Well,

1:05:13

just like we've strayed so far from

1:05:15

like what actually makes a good life.

1:05:18

That now it's all about like,

1:05:20

being busy is good, busy is

1:05:22

important and successful and success is

1:05:24

equated to money and status. Whereas

1:05:26

it's like, maybe having time is

1:05:28

actually good and maybe being

1:05:30

with your family or having like a rich

1:05:33

friendship group is successful. But it's crazy because

1:05:36

I'm from the generation of like absentee

1:05:38

dads of and working, both parents working

1:05:40

and being gone all the time. And

1:05:42

I feel like I learned from that, that wasn't

1:05:45

great. And I feel like we're

1:05:48

just doing it again. We're just

1:05:50

like nannies, everyone works because it's

1:05:52

like money, power, titles, like all

1:05:54

this shit matters. And because

1:05:56

in our country, in

1:05:58

this country and arguably the world I just

1:06:00

know less about the world so I only feel comfortable speaking.

1:06:03

I just weird to say in this country too when you're

1:06:05

talking to someone who's a whole day ahead of you in

1:06:07

another country. Yeah,

1:06:10

money, we've got rid of it. We don't even do money

1:06:12

anymore over here. It's all boomerangs. You guys are

1:06:14

so fucking cute. I love it. Oh,

1:06:16

you're going to be so bummed

1:06:18

out when you come here. I've

1:06:20

never even probably seen a boomerang.

1:06:23

I know. It's not at all like Crocobale

1:06:25

Dundee, you say. I guess I have to believe

1:06:28

you. We don't even have any blooming

1:06:30

onions or whatever that dish is at Outback.

1:06:32

Oh, that's so funny. I love the history

1:06:34

of Outback where the guy who invented it

1:06:36

is like, oh yeah, I went to Australia once. I

1:06:39

don't have any connection to it whatsoever. In

1:06:42

America, we were obsessed with Australia for the

1:06:45

80s and 90s because it was just like,

1:06:47

it's interesting, mate. We got like

1:06:49

Paul Hogan and Yahoo! Sirius to just

1:06:51

blow up for us. I'd

1:06:53

probably blame the Murdochs a little

1:06:55

low-key. We can

1:06:57

blame the Murdochs for a few things actually.

1:07:00

Yeah. Just to jump back to wrap up

1:07:02

what I was saying earlier. Just

1:07:04

because in this country, being poor is

1:07:07

a death sentence. We

1:07:10

all work like crazy hours because we

1:07:13

know it's not great if you're –

1:07:15

there's not a safety net. We're talking

1:07:18

about – we see people on the

1:07:20

street all the time in LA. It's

1:07:22

– you know that like,

1:07:25

well, I can't – I have – and then

1:07:27

that's what makes people less generous,

1:07:29

less charitable because they're like, I need mine.

1:07:32

No, fuck my neighbor. I'm not helping them.

1:07:34

I'm not helping them. Well, that's their problem.

1:07:36

I need all my money because my kids

1:07:38

blah, blah, blah because anything can go ass

1:07:41

up in a given moment because society is

1:07:43

so fucking tenuous. That's

1:07:45

not a great place for any of us to

1:07:48

be in is like gathering resources

1:07:50

at like a rate that doesn't –

1:07:52

like it doesn't matter. There's no cap.

1:07:54

There's no like – I've

1:07:57

said this before and it's not a novel thought.

1:08:00

Like once you get 999 million dollars, every

1:08:04

time you get another dollar, it

1:08:06

should just be like, dude, spend this, or the government's taking

1:08:09

it. Like you have to just like, you can't have more

1:08:11

than a billion. Like there's just no need. Once you have

1:08:13

999 million, you're

1:08:15

probably good for a little while. You

1:08:18

don't need four billion. I say spend

1:08:20

it, donate it, build shit. Fucking

1:08:23

rich people used to like be like, I'm building

1:08:25

a beautiful piece of art. I hired, like there

1:08:27

used to be patrons of the arts. Now people

1:08:29

are like, I'm just investing

1:08:32

my money more. Not

1:08:34

in like things that improve people's

1:08:36

lives, but in ways for me to make

1:08:38

more money off of other people. Yeah,

1:08:40

I'm gonna send myself to space. I'm gonna put

1:08:42

like someone else's blood in my body or like

1:08:44

whatever crazy lunatic scheme they're on. Just like it

1:08:46

should be at a point, it goes back into

1:08:48

a kitty for other people that need it more

1:08:50

to use. Because you're right, like

1:08:52

society then, everyone is, if

1:08:55

you get it, that means I can't get it. And

1:08:57

it becomes like very dog eat dog, rather

1:08:59

than you wanting to help your neighbor. You're like,

1:09:01

oh, well, I can't help my neighbor because

1:09:04

I can barely help myself at this point. Right, and because

1:09:06

I don't know what my future holds because everything

1:09:08

is so stressful and dangerous and

1:09:10

money is so paramount that the only way I

1:09:12

can feel safe for my generations

1:09:14

to come is to have this much money.

1:09:17

And like that's, it's

1:09:20

not sustainable. Like that is

1:09:22

like, we're seeing it, we're seeing it. We're

1:09:24

on, we're like red lining our fucking like

1:09:27

society. And we're just like flooring it. And

1:09:30

we're letting people down. Like all you

1:09:32

should wanna do is like, make sure everyone

1:09:34

is like safe and

1:09:37

comfortable and has access to like healthcare when they

1:09:39

need it. That should not be an argument. There should

1:09:41

be no argument against that. I'm

1:09:43

like, how are we failing the people around us so

1:09:45

bad that like one little like

1:09:47

left turn or like, this has been points in

1:09:50

my life where like things have gone wrong, but

1:09:52

I've had like an incredible support system that helped

1:09:54

me at that time or something like that, right?

1:09:56

But like, especially in America, if you get like

1:09:58

sick at an inopportune time. or something

1:10:00

happens at your workplace or anything

1:10:03

like that. I'm amazed more

1:10:05

people aren't unhoused because you can just

1:10:08

see how it is so easy for

1:10:10

that to happen because everything in the

1:10:12

country is working against you. I

1:10:14

say it all the time, but I

1:10:17

speak fluent English and computer

1:10:19

savvy, have money, have support

1:10:23

system and it's

1:10:25

still stressful to exist. When

1:10:30

Airbnb takes your money and you don't

1:10:33

get that, all these things

1:10:35

you're like, how are people

1:10:37

who are – I don't have kids either.

1:10:39

I have time. There are parents

1:10:42

working multiple jobs with numerous kids that

1:10:44

maybe English isn't their first language or

1:10:46

there's one computer in the house and

1:10:49

it's like, this shit is impossible. When

1:10:53

you start to realize – now I'm going

1:10:55

to sound like a crazy conspiracy guy –

1:10:57

but when you start to realize that it's

1:11:01

planned, it's part of the point to

1:11:03

make it so difficult to speak to

1:11:05

someone in your healthcare company to make

1:11:07

it impossible to get someone from the

1:11:09

bank on the line because if you

1:11:12

don't have the time to do it, they

1:11:14

just win. I've been fighting with Airbnb for

1:11:16

about $1,500 because they fucked me and all

1:11:19

this shit.

1:11:22

I've been fighting with them for a year. I've had

1:11:24

MX involved and I've eventually just had to

1:11:26

give up because I don't have the time because they just have

1:11:28

a team of people who are – and so

1:11:30

I just lose $1,500. Woe

1:11:35

is me. It's not going to kill me.

1:11:37

Unfuctilely. No, but it's the principle of it. It's

1:11:39

fucked that they can just hide behind like, ambling

1:11:41

you off to another department or just like never

1:11:44

being available and counting on the fact that everyone

1:11:46

is run so ragged that they're not going to

1:11:48

have time to keep fighting and following up. They'll

1:11:50

just give up because I have to move on.

1:11:53

It's been a year. God help you. You

1:11:55

have something that needs to fix in your car

1:11:57

or in your home or in your – Every

1:12:00

step of that way is like impossible.

1:12:02

Like my ice machine broke in my

1:12:04

fridge and it's been like four months

1:12:06

and the organization, like the company is

1:12:08

like dodging me. And I'm like, you know, if

1:12:10

this was like, like it's

1:12:13

a champagne problem that your ice machine

1:12:15

stops working, but it

1:12:17

helps you understand like if someone's fridge breaks

1:12:20

and it's impossible to get a new one,

1:12:22

like that could fuck up a family like

1:12:24

that. But also just because it's not

1:12:26

a life and death thing doesn't mean that

1:12:28

that company doesn't have a responsibility to be

1:12:31

available for that. Right, that's what they

1:12:33

say they're supposed to do. But instead now they have

1:12:35

my money and they're waiting on the part and it's

1:12:38

been three months and but they still, I still pay

1:12:40

for it already. Now, and like, I

1:12:42

just, I can't unsee some of this

1:12:44

stuff of like, oh, weirdly enough, this

1:12:46

fucked up system benefits you, the company

1:12:48

and extra fucks me

1:12:50

over. Like how much would it, like,

1:12:54

why is hotels check in for checkout

1:12:57

10 a.m. That's not a fucking,

1:12:59

that's fucking, sorry. That's like 17

1:13:01

hours, that is crazy. Yeah, who

1:13:03

decided that and why are we all going along with

1:13:05

it? Right, and it's like, oh, well, because the rooms

1:13:07

aren't ready yet. I'm like, I bet you the rooms

1:13:09

would get ready if you hired three more housekeepers for

1:13:11

your hotel. And it's like, well, that would

1:13:13

cost us, oh, okay. Now

1:13:16

I see one of those, yeah. So,

1:13:18

and everything, and this is

1:13:20

just me old manning now. And,

1:13:22

and Sana is like an old man activity. So

1:13:24

I feel like old man, old

1:13:27

person kvetching makes sense. You

1:13:29

tied it in perfectly. Thank fucking

1:13:31

God, thank fucking God. Although

1:13:34

now I- The fans would have been furious. I

1:13:37

tuned in for Sana talk. What the

1:13:39

fuck is happening here? But

1:13:42

the, and here's the thing I bet, I

1:13:44

think I just forgot what I was gonna say anyway, perfect. Weed

1:13:48

is a hell of a drug. It may actually

1:13:50

have some negative effects on your body. I

1:13:53

mean, that's, going back to like,

1:13:55

I guess the Australia of it

1:13:57

all. It's frustratingly like still so

1:13:59

inaccessible. here and I was watching

1:14:01

a clip just this morning. My dad

1:14:03

lives with Parkinson's and there is so

1:14:05

much evidence of how helpful it would

1:14:08

be for his living... Cannabis,

1:14:10

for his condition. Yeah. Yeah.

1:14:12

Yeah. And not just

1:14:15

that, again, we're so fine giving you an

1:14:17

alcohol here but absolutely, we'll not let cannabis

1:14:19

be a part of our day-to-day. No, you

1:14:21

can like... It makes me so

1:14:23

mad because his life would be so much better

1:14:25

and you see all this evidence of people who's

1:14:28

like, their tremors completely go away but because the

1:14:30

pharmaceutical companies and here we go, that's my

1:14:32

rant will be about how pharmaceutical companies control

1:14:34

everything. You

1:14:37

can have any... Diagnose you and fucking

1:14:39

prescribe, prescribe, prescribe, print money. Oh,

1:14:41

isn't that working? You need more.

1:14:44

Guess what? You need two pills. But

1:14:46

instead, what you really need is just the sauna. We

1:14:49

should have... I have to put a warning on this podcast. The

1:14:53

saunas do not cure cancer, as Gabris

1:14:55

mentions in the third act, that he's

1:14:57

out of pocket saying shit like that.

1:14:59

Do not trust him. But there's no evidence

1:15:01

that they don't. Hey, they don't

1:15:03

give you cancer, that's for sure. Well, we did

1:15:05

say microwaving internally before and I don't feel good

1:15:08

about that. Yeah, but I think that's actually good

1:15:10

for you. You

1:15:12

go to have a poo in the morning

1:15:14

and your whole inside comes out because it's

1:15:16

just been nuked in there. Hey, that's weight

1:15:18

loss. That's part of the effects too, yeah.

1:15:21

Yeah, hey, let's get it. I

1:15:23

got my appendix out that's like 500 grams

1:15:25

or whatever bullshit measurement system you guys

1:15:28

use. Yeah, 500 grams, excuse

1:15:30

me. That's about... It would be like

1:15:32

a pound, yeah. That's 1.1 pounds, yeah. I only know

1:15:34

all the...because I

1:15:36

played rugby and I

1:15:38

power lifted, I know that

1:15:40

a kilo is 2.2

1:15:43

pounds, so I could do that math fast in

1:15:45

my head. But don't get me started on centigrade.

1:15:47

I lose it at Celsius. Wow,

1:15:50

you think zero being the temperature for freezing

1:15:52

is not a good idea? Dude,

1:15:56

again, old man rants, we gotta

1:15:58

go metric. It's crazy. that America's

1:16:00

like, no, ours is dumber and

1:16:02

more complicated. Like it's so funny.

1:16:06

It's such a funny deal to die on. Yeah,

1:16:09

it makes no, and also you don't

1:16:11

sound cool if you're fighting for the metric system

1:16:13

either, you know what I mean? Like there's no

1:16:15

real win there. You're just like, you're

1:16:18

a fucking nerd, mate. Uh,

1:16:21

so irritating, like the world is complicated

1:16:23

and divided enough of like, why can't numbers

1:16:25

be the same? Right. Numbers

1:16:28

are a thing that we can, like math

1:16:30

is and music are like universal languages, but

1:16:32

instead we're like, well, not here in America,

1:16:34

it's 12 inches is a

1:16:36

foot, three feet is a yard. It's like,

1:16:38

okay, I'm out. Like, forget it. My brother

1:16:40

was telling me, cause he's an engineer and he said

1:16:42

there was a project. Look, I don't know any of

1:16:44

the facts. Do not fact check me on any of

1:16:47

this, but basically like a bridge fell down because one

1:16:49

team was working in metric and one was working in,

1:16:51

um, I can't even for the life of me remember

1:16:53

what he was just called. Me neither. I think

1:16:55

it's called like the King's math or whatever,

1:16:58

you know, some stupid British. But

1:17:01

it's like, shouldn't that have been enough to be like,

1:17:03

oh, okay, we should just all be on the same

1:17:05

page. Cause like if a whole bridge falls down and

1:17:07

people die, that's the time to change it. Also

1:17:10

the, uh, the metric system

1:17:12

is decimal. It's based

1:17:15

on tens. So like it's way

1:17:18

clearer. It's like 10 centimeter, you

1:17:20

know, like a hundred centimeters is

1:17:22

a meter. Like, and that just

1:17:24

makes sense. A thousand meters is

1:17:26

a kilometer. Like it just gets

1:17:28

so clear. And in like, in,

1:17:30

in America, it's like, and 5,280 feet is a

1:17:32

mile. Yeah.

1:17:35

That's easy to remember. You're like, wait, what?

1:17:39

How many yards? Like America is still like

1:17:41

the country that everyone wants to like be

1:17:43

and live in it still like the dream

1:17:45

of the Western world. Right. So like how

1:17:48

your PR campaign is phenomenal. Cause there is

1:17:50

so much stuff as like, well, it's got,

1:17:53

it's gotten bad. I was just about to

1:17:55

say, I was about to say, Amy, I don't think

1:17:57

we have to worry. I think in the next 10

1:17:59

years, uh, America. is, I think

1:18:01

people are starting to be like, oh, America has

1:18:03

this, this, and this. And it's like, I'm hearing

1:18:05

from my foreign friends, like making jokes about getting

1:18:07

shot and shit like that. And I'm like, yeah,

1:18:09

no, hard to argue there. You're right, bud. That

1:18:12

is something that is uniquely American. We're

1:18:15

not in a war, and

1:18:17

yet there's a high risk of getting shot

1:18:19

all the time? That seems wrong. Yeah, you're

1:18:21

right. I would like, let

1:18:24

me preface it with like, when I moved in 2014, it

1:18:26

was like, you definitely get sold the

1:18:28

like movie version as someone that doesn't

1:18:30

live there, right? And then it's

1:18:33

got this like perfect facade. And then I

1:18:35

think living there and then 2016 and everything

1:18:37

looks like slowly the facade starts to fall

1:18:39

and you're like, well, hang on, like even

1:18:42

having to pay my rent with a check at

1:18:44

the bank was super annoying. Like I've been paying

1:18:46

that electronically in Australia for like 15 years. I'm

1:18:49

like, how are you guys not doing? Why are you still

1:18:51

doing checks? What's that about? To keep banks

1:18:54

open. And if, and because it's difficult, if you miss

1:18:56

it, they can charge you a late fee. They can

1:18:58

kick you out and put someone in there that would

1:19:00

pay more. Honestly, it's all designed

1:19:02

so you do fuck up and the

1:19:04

corporations benefit. Like I hate, I hate to

1:19:07

be this fucking like tin foil hat

1:19:09

guy, but once you see it, once

1:19:11

you see it, once you see everything

1:19:13

is designed to like, I hope you

1:19:15

do fuck up because we and

1:19:19

if you have money, you can make all these

1:19:21

fuckups and it's not a problem. Yeah. You

1:19:24

have the money. Like

1:19:27

I saw, I saw something that just like broke my

1:19:29

brain open on X. I believe

1:19:31

it was just like, if the

1:19:34

punishment for a crime is

1:19:36

a fine, it's only

1:19:38

a crime to four poor people. Cause

1:19:42

it's not a crime. Like if a speeding,

1:19:44

like rich people

1:19:46

could just pay speeding tickets. They could just pay parking

1:19:48

tickets. They could just pay, they can do whatever they

1:19:50

want. Cause fine. Yeah, there's

1:19:53

no consequences. Yeah. And that's

1:19:55

fucking stressful. Yeah. No,

1:19:58

I think we've got a perfect system. 10 out of

1:20:00

10, no notes. You said

1:20:02

there's a place with a pool and a sauna in

1:20:04

Australia? All right, I'll see you there. And

1:20:07

not even a single spider in that

1:20:10

pool. So unfortunately, Spiderman is unemployed, but

1:20:12

plenty of men who think they're Superman, that's

1:20:14

for sure. How

1:20:16

perfect. Amy, thank you so

1:20:18

much for coming on High and Mighty. This has

1:20:20

been a blast catching up, dude. Oh my God,

1:20:23

perfect afternoon for me. I know it's deep

1:20:25

into your evening, but I'm looking out at the

1:20:27

glorious sunshine having a good old time. I'm

1:20:29

8.30 here. I'm ready to be like, shit,

1:20:31

I should have ate dinner before we recorded, but I'll

1:20:33

survive. Believe

1:20:35

it or not, I think I'll be

1:20:38

okay. Wait, quick question. What's for dinner?

1:20:41

For dinner, I have previously

1:20:43

made some shredded chicken thighs

1:20:45

in a teriyaki and pineapple

1:20:47

kind of thing. Okay.

1:20:50

I'll probably just throw that over. I'm eating alone

1:20:53

tonight, so that's just protein and greens usually,

1:20:55

if I'm being healthy. When I'm doing it

1:20:57

right, it's protein and greens. When I'm not,

1:20:59

it's protein, melted cheese, and

1:21:01

some sort of carb. No,

1:21:04

it's protein and greens then followed

1:21:06

by a large pizza chaser. Yeah,

1:21:08

exactly. I mean, I do have two empanadas in the

1:21:11

fridge, which if I end

1:21:13

up getting into the grass this evening, I

1:21:15

might end up heating up as well. I'm

1:21:17

a bad boy, Amy. I got to get back to

1:21:20

my sauna. Yeah, well, do both. Take

1:21:22

the empanadas down there. You will fit right

1:21:24

in. Oh,

1:21:27

these are still a little frozen. Can you guys just

1:21:29

not touch them with your feet while I steam them

1:21:31

here? Maybe that

1:21:33

was the thing. She'd been warming it up that whole morning. Right.

1:21:36

It was a cold burrito, and she's like, I'm going to leave this in

1:21:38

the steam. Okay, I'm making myself nauseous. Amy,

1:21:41

what would you like to plug? Where can

1:21:43

people find you? I

1:21:46

mean, I mostly don't care. Yeah,

1:21:49

while I'm there. Please leave me alone. Maybe

1:21:53

your listeners will enjoy. I did a show called

1:21:55

Thank God You're Here, which is on Paramount Plus.

1:21:57

It's an Australian show, but it's like an. props

1:22:00

sketchy. I think I saw some clips

1:22:02

of this. Tell me it's like you

1:22:04

kind of like a person doesn't know

1:22:06

the scene they're entering or something like

1:22:08

that and everyone's in costume and props and

1:22:11

it's like they just have to be they

1:22:13

get like dropped into a fucking scene more or less.

1:22:16

Totally. So there's like a comedian on one side of

1:22:18

a door. He doesn't know what's going here. She doesn't

1:22:20

know what's going on. They don't know what's going on.

1:22:22

And then there's a room for people on the other

1:22:24

side. They're in costumes. It's like full on set. Have

1:22:27

like, you know, prompts and things that they

1:22:29

have to do in the scene, which is

1:22:31

what my job is. I'm one of like

1:22:33

the ensemble. Yeah, that person walks in. Oh,

1:22:35

it's the best. Like every episode I'm like,

1:22:37

you know, in three different costumes, different worlds.

1:22:39

It's so fun. And then, yeah, guest walks

1:22:42

in, you say, thank God you're here. You

1:22:44

know, the king of France is ready to

1:22:46

see you or whatever the scenario is. And then that person

1:22:48

just has to like bullshit their way through the next play

1:22:50

along. Yeah, yeah. It's so fun. It's like

1:22:53

a really heightened improv game of like,

1:22:56

of just like, we know what's going

1:22:58

on. And then this person doesn't. And then I

1:23:01

feel like Aussie comedy

1:23:03

is like, is popping

1:23:05

off in a way. I mean, in the last

1:23:07

like 20 years, especially, but I

1:23:09

feel like it's such a hotbed for comedy

1:23:12

now. I mean, we'll take

1:23:14

it. I'm

1:23:16

not sure I feel that way on the inside.

1:23:18

We have a very good standup scene.

1:23:20

Because like every year we have the

1:23:22

Melbourne International Comedy Festival, which is like

1:23:24

a world famous thing.

1:23:26

But I guess in terms of improv and sketch,

1:23:28

it's definitely a smaller market than like

1:23:31

what was in Los Angeles and stuff. But

1:23:33

it's coming along. And this show is good

1:23:35

for getting improv out to the masses. Yeah,

1:23:37

that's so if you lived if

1:23:39

you worked in entertainment in Australia, is

1:23:41

Melbourne the city or Sydney also a

1:23:43

viable option or Sydney, like a different

1:23:45

vibe or something like that? Or are they

1:23:47

like really close together and I'm being stupid and

1:23:50

naive. They're the same thing. No, I'm

1:23:52

kidding. No, they're both like Melbourne

1:23:54

and Sydney. But Melbourne is

1:23:56

definitely more of like your comedy hub.

1:23:58

Sydney, everyone's like more busy being

1:24:00

beautiful. So I like being in Melbourne

1:24:02

where like for six months you can wear a coat

1:24:05

and be like a disgusting person and just try and

1:24:07

distract people with laughter. But

1:24:10

yeah, they're both – it's kind of like I guess

1:24:12

like LA and New York. Right. That's

1:24:14

right. I was going to make that assumption. Well, that's –

1:24:17

thank God you're here on Paramount+. People

1:24:20

check it out. Check out Amy Ruffell. I think you

1:24:23

play a pregnant person or a nurse in one

1:24:25

sequence. I definitely do. I

1:24:27

– yeah. That's the one I saw

1:24:29

and that made me laugh. I

1:24:31

didn't know anyone in it except you and it was only

1:24:34

from your Instagram I think that I had seen it. And

1:24:36

that's exactly how we want people to watch

1:24:38

it. Just like tangentially through an Instagram account.

1:24:40

While they're at the beach, while they're high, while

1:24:43

they're eating a steamed burrito, just kind of half

1:24:45

look at it while you just thumb through and

1:24:47

be like, wow, cool. And just go look at

1:24:49

a picture of a kid and look at a

1:24:51

picture of like violence and then look

1:24:53

at a picture of another

1:24:55

person's plug. Honestly,

1:24:57

any of your views will get in my show

1:24:59

a second season so I don't care how you

1:25:01

view it. It doesn't affect me. Yeah, get

1:25:03

there. Get after it, people. Thank God you're

1:25:06

here. Thank God you were here, Amy. Wow,

1:25:09

beautiful stuff. Yes. We

1:25:12

will have to get you out to Australia. I

1:25:14

feel like you would have an absolute blast here and

1:25:16

go to like a football game, not like Rugby for

1:25:19

sure, but I want to take you to an AFL

1:25:21

game. I would love to go to an AFL game. I would

1:25:23

love to go to an AFL game. I would love to go to an

1:25:25

AFL game. I would love to go to an AFL game. I know that's

1:25:27

a little bit of a thing down there too. I

1:25:31

would love to. My

1:25:34

best friend, he's going to go

1:25:36

back and visit for an extended period

1:25:38

of time because a friend of his

1:25:40

are getting married and I might tie

1:25:42

into that trip and then do some

1:25:44

live dates too around the country. So

1:25:48

I could expense the whole thing more or less.

1:25:52

Oh yeah, that's right for sure. I'm

1:25:55

here for business baby. I get bit

1:25:57

by a spider on day one. That's

1:26:00

content, baby. Yeah, shoot it. It's

1:26:03

content. Sell it. Everything

1:26:05

monetize all your hobbies because the future

1:26:07

is bleak. You

1:26:09

can check out my action movie podcast at

1:26:12

actionboys.biz. We talk about classic action movies longer

1:26:14

than the runtime of the movies. I don't

1:26:16

know if that's a good thing for you

1:26:18

guys. And then, yeah,

1:26:20

that's the main plug. I have some live shows coming

1:26:23

up when this comes out. So peep

1:26:25

the calendar, but I got a couple of

1:26:27

December shows in New York and LA. Adam

1:26:30

Pally and I touring a live version of our

1:26:32

travel show. And

1:26:34

I don't know if it's been announced yet, but I

1:26:36

have another live show January in LA that

1:26:39

fans of the podcast may want

1:26:41

to check out. Amy

1:26:44

Ruffell, thank God

1:26:46

you're gone. Bye, shoot it.

1:26:50

See you in the sauna, boo. That

1:26:55

was a hit. It

1:27:01

apart from where there are

1:27:04

no. Holy

1:27:11

shit. Holy shit, guys. I'm

1:27:13

so fine. I definitely have not watched this

1:27:16

since I've rendered it on VHS in 92

1:27:18

Rangers United by the threat of death. We

1:27:20

got all the fucking major players. It's a

1:27:22

good man. Arnold,

1:27:25

come give it to me. I need you to

1:27:27

cream pie me now. Stallone. I'm full of love

1:27:29

in this movie. See, I see you. It's got

1:27:31

a lot of heart. You're mentally irregular. Now,

1:27:35

somewhere, somehow, someone's going to

1:27:37

pay. I

1:27:40

would fucking love for my wife to like

1:27:43

see me rip a guy's throat out. This

1:27:47

movie is fucking insane. It's

1:27:49

how you know it's a good movie. You have to do

1:27:51

almost all the work yourself to figure it out. There's a

1:27:53

fantasy component. There's some sword fighting. There's some lightning. Bam, bam,

1:27:55

bam, bam, bam. I'm

1:28:00

a man! There's a new game

1:28:02

to tell you. You wake up after a few

1:28:04

years and you don't even know you are anymore!

1:28:06

We're gonna be making Terminator. We're gonna

1:28:08

make a really great deal with the genome of it.

1:28:11

I don't hate him, but I've been in a room

1:28:13

here. Yes, I understand. This is now the 20th ending

1:28:15

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