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for the intro, you do it every

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week, you are a master

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improviser. Maybe

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just come up and I'm like, for sure. We definitely

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have to. And then the second I sit down, I'm

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like, I didn't think anything. Okay,

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let's just let it rip. And then like Jackson Maine

2:15

has now been here like since a

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month after the movie came out, I

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really, I need to, which you could tell me

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came out a year ago or in 2016 and

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it feels like both, bro. My timeline is

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fucking broken. Honestly. And I thought this was

2:29

just, you're, you're a young gent. This is,

2:31

I thought was just being old man, but

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I can't tell when something happened. Except

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if it was before I moved to LA, which

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is 11 years ago, because like, I could just

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be like, Oh, that happened in New York. So

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that was over 11 years ago. And I'm constantly

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saying like, yeah, I met her and it

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was in LA. Uh, so it must've been in the last 11

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years. It'd be like, I don't know if

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it was, I don't know if it was two or

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seven or nine. I have no fucking clue. You're like

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a person who woke up from a coma. You're like,

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well, I met her. So it had to have been

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12 years ago. She's,

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she should remember me. I've been following

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her on Instagram. Oh, she has no

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idea who I am. Oh yeah. That has been

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a long time. Oh, I should unfollow. That's what

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the funny is. That's one of the funniest things

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about comedy is you'll be like, Oh, that person's

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my friend person I met for four hours at

3:18

a comedy festival six years ago. And

3:20

we riffed about chili. Yeah.

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The amount of times I downgrade live in

3:25

conversation to someone I'd be like, Oh yeah,

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my friend Kyle Anderson. Well, a guy I

3:29

know pretty well. And we kind of communicate.

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Well, you know, we're in the same colleague,

3:34

uh, you know, spiral of like, look, don't

3:38

ask him if we're friends. Don't

3:41

bring him up to me. Don't bring me up to him.

3:45

Him up to me. Yeah. Let's not ever

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bring up anything again, bro. Drop it off. How

3:52

you been, man? Dude, I've been,

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uh, I've been really good. I've been working on

3:56

some, uh, some, some like film projects. I'm trying

3:59

to, trying to. you and been hitting

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the fitness and diving into

4:03

work and health.

4:05

Yeah. It is

4:08

weirdly. Everyone's like, yeah,

4:10

man, just helps with your mental

4:12

health. You're like, sure, dude. Then you start

4:14

doing it. You're like, Oh shit. Okay. Yeah.

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That's what everyone in my life is really

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sucks. How much, how much better you feel?

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Cause when you're fat, you're like, nah, you're

4:23

like eating cornbread at three in the morning,

4:25

you're like, this is pretty much the best

4:27

is the feeling you get for having a

4:29

body. Yeah. I can't

4:31

imagine something better than this. And someone's

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like, I'm at a five day this

4:35

weekend. I feel yeah, dude. And I'm

4:39

now on like, I've been a yo-yo guy my whole

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life, uh, on, uh, run hot and cold, but for

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like a, about

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four or five months, maybe like six plus

4:49

months, I was really cooking with health and

4:51

fitness and I was truly feeling better mentally.

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I was like, this is crazy. This is

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awesome. Then I had some fucking personal shit

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I had to deal with. And, and that,

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that got a little difficult and then my

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health stuff fell off due to like,

5:05

you know, mental and or just fit.

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And then next thing I know, it's

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like compounding interest. I'm feeling fucking. And

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just this week, I finally was like, fuck, I got to

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get back to start doing some of my healthy behaviors. I

5:17

start doing it this week. I'm already feeling

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and I'm like, Oh fuck, I can't, it's

5:22

instant how quick I forget. I'm like, no food and

5:24

drugs make me feel better. And then you do it

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for like a month. You're like, I have, this is

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the worst I felt since I was 28 or whatever.

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Like, I gotta get my life. Well,

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it's brutal because you start to realize like,

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Oh fuck man. If you do actually do

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it every day, you just feel better every

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day and it doesn't affect you. And when

5:43

you stop trying to start again after stopping

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feels so fucking hard. And so even if

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like, I try to go and I like reckon

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with myself, I'm like, all right, we'll go, we'll

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do 30 minutes of cardio. It's better than I

5:53

will. I'll go and I'll do like a small

5:55

lifting set. It's better than I do. Drink it

5:57

all down. Yeah. Yeah. At least you get there.

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And then once you're there you're like, I'll do 15 more

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minutes who cares dude. That's the sauna for me I if I

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if I can't do anything else I love the sauna so much

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I'm like just go to the gym and do the sauna and

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then you get to the gym and you're like I

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could fucking probably do a

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little dumbbell shit before I jump in the sauna or

6:14

something like that like that that's the what gets me

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go and Bro, if

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you just did if we

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did if I did 20 minutes on the elliptical every day

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of my life for my whole life Yes, there's probably stuff

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I could like I could add to it or do better

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But that would be so much more than I've done.

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You know what I mean? Like yeah, you're like, I'm

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not gonna go all the way to the gym for

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just a little workout It's like so you're choosing none

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instead. You're like, oh, yeah, I guess

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I am I'm swinging in the other direction Yeah,

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well, it's like I actually

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the whole reason I got into this fitness

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journey Was kind

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of I've never really talked about this with

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with like a podcast or anything yet But

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I went to Universal Studios and

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I got kicked off of the Harry Potter

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ride for being too big, bro

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The one where your feet hang. Yeah Last

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year during Hollywood Horror Nights me and some friends went

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to go on that and They couldn't

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and it's brutal because it's like a

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time crunch. So when the guys kicking

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you off He's like you gotta go

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baby. You're like wheeling away. Cuz the

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ride like barely stopped dude I was

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I might my wife or a fire.

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Yeah, my wife. I want to get off the way

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It's like also it sucks to be

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told you're too fat to be an adult Harry

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Potter fan. Like that's brutal I know and here's

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the thing. I don't even really

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like Harry Potter I don't even really like I

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like rides But I was like and I'll

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go with everyone cuz we have the line front of line pass Let's

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just hit it and then they and then like

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my wife's like I'll get off I'll get off too and

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I'm like no now I don't want anyone. I don't want

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people right I Rather

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drive home by myself right now.

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Someone else go. Oh, I'll sit within the fat

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corner with you that

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ride for a little bit because I

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know you in person, I've seen you. We

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are fat guys, but it wasn't our

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fat that limited it. It's not our

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fat. No. It's not

8:11

our fat. It's our chest. It's our shoulders. It's

8:13

great because that ride is built like my gut

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fit, but the thing didn't go down over

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my shoulders and chest and like that. So

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I don't think there's enough elliptical

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and swimming in the world to

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get me to go on that ride. I

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have had and that experience

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is fucking brutal. That

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is eye opening. Yeah. It's

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brutal. I broke two chairs

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on one day on a

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job where I was hosting a game show.

8:41

Oh my God. That

8:43

fucking humble. That's so brutal. That absolutely, I

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fucking broke my best friend Ben Rogers couch

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at his house. I had to buy him

8:50

a new couch. I sat on it and

8:52

just broke the fucking like support beams and

8:54

some cheap ass couch. That

8:57

shit has got me so in my head that if

8:59

like there's like a vintage chair of any kind, I

9:01

like press down on it with my hand before I

9:03

sit on it, man. Dude, I used to have a

9:06

bit about sizing up a chair. Like

9:10

you're going to fight it if you're a fat guy before you

9:12

sit in it or you're like, you got to fucking like, what

9:15

are you trying to do, bro? What are you

9:17

trying to do? Because dude, I was shooting a-

9:19

I need like a prescription chair. Yeah.

9:24

I need an extra strength chair. I

9:30

need a chair that would last a normal person 36 hours. Good

9:35

to solve in my system in six. I

9:37

did, I was shooting this wedding one time in

9:39

college and I sat on this little ottoman

9:42

and it was like, it just

9:44

disintegrated under me like a fancy little

9:46

ottoman like meant for like rich people

9:48

feet that are tiny. Oh man.

9:51

Awful. Tiny unworked feet.

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This is like wildly relatable. I

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mean, surprise, surprise. The two

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of us would having a call. I'll say your weigh

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in. We're at the same weight right now. I

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was literally, I weigh myself and I'm

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at 299. It's so fun,

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man. I was over 300 for so long. It's

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nice to be right in that zone again. Yeah, I

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was. My buddy

10:18

Ryan posited it as, yeah,

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you know what? Even if you're still struggling, struggling to

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stay under 300 is better than struggling

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to stay under 320. And I was

10:27

like, you're a hundred percent. Because I had done

10:29

that thing where I've talked about this before,

10:31

but it's topical now that we're talking. I

10:34

had done that thing where I'm like, yeah, I weigh 300 pounds. Yeah,

10:36

I weigh 300 pounds. And like for a

10:38

couple of years, I wasn't weighing myself. And my

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wife goes like, do you think

10:43

you really weigh 300 pounds still? I'm like, well, yeah, I

10:45

didn't lose any weight. She's like, no, no, no, no. I

10:47

mean, like, you may like you are,

10:49

you've been saying you're 300 pounds for a couple of years, you've

10:51

clearly put on some weight. I got on the scale and it's

10:53

325. And I was like, okay.

10:55

I think the scale needs to come back into my

10:57

life a little bit and I

10:59

need to get this under 300 and then it's been like

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a two year journey now. Finally. And

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I, at 300 pounds, I ran fucking

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two half marathons. Like I think I'm supposed

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to be kind of heavy, but I also

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think that's a lie. I tell myself every,

11:12

well, yeah, I'm a, I'm a, you know,

11:14

I'm a, I'm a Nordic. Uh,

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I'm, I'm, I'm part Nordic. I'm part Jewish.

11:19

And so, yeah, hardy people, anyone

11:21

who has like a heavy, heavy

11:24

sausage. Yeah.

11:27

Yeah. My mom, my mom is native American and

11:29

Jewish. I'm like, she's going to live to be

11:31

400 years old. Like you can, oppression

11:35

presses you in from a coal into

11:38

a diamond. That's one of the most

11:40

oppressed people in the world. Yeah. I'm

11:44

like injecting her with, uh, with the insulin

11:46

from flower moon. We just got to slow

11:48

her down. I

11:52

just got to make my mom stop going to DC. That's

11:59

that's fuck. I mean. And I'm proud of you, man.

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I've been following you on social media. You know, you're

12:03

fucking hitting the night swimming. We'll

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get into our topic at hand, but this is,

12:08

I think, important for listeners. You

12:11

live a weird life. You

12:13

know, timing, like, not weird, but not

12:15

traditional timeline for most people. But

12:18

you found something that works for you. And

12:21

that, I think, like, and even

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you like, like, we both like to swim. We're

12:25

both swimmers. The fact that

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you found a pool that's open, like, all night

12:29

that you can go swimming, like, that's

12:32

the shit that you kinda, as you get older,

12:34

you realize you have to do. You're like, well,

12:36

if I wanna stick, like, if you were like, I'm gonna

12:38

go to the 1030 a.m. yoga

12:40

class every week and you don't really like

12:42

yoga and you don't really like waking up

12:44

early, you're setting yourself up for failure. Right,

12:46

dude, that's the thing. Okay, so

12:48

like, a couple years ago, two or three years ago, I

12:50

was like, I wanna fucking surf.

12:52

I've wanted to surf my whole fucking life.

12:55

I wanna fucking surf. And

12:57

my buddy's like, cool, you have to get up

13:00

at like, five a.m. and it's cold

13:02

and also I went to a surf

13:04

shop and the guy was like, you're gonna need like,

13:07

a 21 foot surfboard, buddy. You're gonna-

13:09

Make it for me, a surfer who is 299 pounds. You

13:12

need to use like, a fucking kayak. He tried

13:14

to sell me like, a wall of a building.

13:17

Yeah, it's like, truly like, stand up

13:19

paddle boards. Like, people are like, those

13:21

huge unwieldy things. It's like, I can

13:23

only stand up on like, a 10

13:25

foot foam top BZ. Anything else I

13:27

could fucking shatter. And so like, I

13:29

went out and I fucking tried. I

13:31

tried my fucking little ass off. Cause I'm

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a swimmer. I was like, I can paddle

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out there. Dude, I fucking could not. Different

13:37

muscles, dude. I'm telling you, it's brutal. I'm

13:39

a very good swimmer, very bad paddler. And

13:42

so, I, like, you

13:45

know, that was a thing for me. I think

13:47

like, trying to find like, really something

13:49

that works for you and works for

13:51

your lifestyle. Like, surfing was never

13:53

gonna work for my lifestyle. I was never gonna

13:55

get up at 5 a.m. and drive to the

13:58

West side and like, get in the way. water

14:00

before six in the morning like that's

14:02

not me at all. No, no, that

14:04

sounds fucking awful. And it's like when

14:07

you take like, cause you know, you get the

14:09

advice from everybody when you do this, you gotta

14:11

do this, you should do this. And you're like,

14:13

and all sounds good or makes sense or works

14:15

for other people. But all that matters is

14:17

if you do it, like, you know, we, I'm sure you

14:19

have a few of these friends. I have a

14:21

few like weird comedy friends who are older

14:24

guys now who are like no background

14:26

in fitness, but I'll like see

14:29

them post on Instagram, another 12 mile

14:32

walking day. It's like, oh,

14:34

they're just weird. Like I'm a weirdo who likes to

14:36

walk and listen to audio books. And

14:38

so I get my fucking thousands of steps

14:40

in and I'm like, it's whatever

14:43

it fucking takes at this point. You know,

14:45

that's the other thing was I started being like,

14:47

you know what, I'm just going to start walking

14:50

and try to hit the fucking, you know,

14:52

the arbitrary 10,000 steps a day, like,

14:55

cause it just sounds good. It feels like a

14:57

good round number. You know what I mean? Like,

15:00

and it does feel good to walk, dude. Holy

15:02

shit. It does. I like discover, you know, I

15:04

lived in New York City for so long. So

15:06

walking was like passive activity. I didn't realize I

15:08

was doing it. And then after

15:10

living here for like eight years, the

15:12

pandemic hit and my wife was working from home

15:15

on zoom meetings all day. And I was like,

15:17

well, I need to get out of house for

15:19

a couple of hours. No public place feels safe.

15:21

I will smoke this doob

15:23

and walk for three hours. I

15:27

would do the shit where I would just be like, all right,

15:29

I have to mail this envelope. I'm going to walk to this

15:31

post office in Beverly Hill. I like

15:34

give you some side quests. I give my, truly, I

15:36

give myself errands that were huge side quests. I'd be

15:38

like, oh, I got to pick up a prescription

15:40

at CVS. Okay. That's

15:42

1.6 miles away. I'm not going to

15:44

drive. Also,

15:50

side thing, walking in

15:53

LA, especially, there's so many businesses that you

15:55

drive by, like so many blocks you drive

15:57

by or houses you drive by where you

15:59

just The details all blur together. And

16:01

then when you're not, when you're walking and

16:03

you're at that speed, you're like, what

16:06

is this store, a vacuum repair

16:08

shop in the most expensive zip

16:10

code in Los Angeles? How is

16:13

this in between two huge fucking

16:15

Apple store dispensaries is like a,

16:18

like a old Ukrainian woman fitted

16:20

vacuum. It's like a dream. This

16:22

is a store that just sells

16:24

paint for Armenian figurines. Exactly. And

16:28

I'm like, do they mean army figures? No, they

16:30

mean Armenian. Like, okay, fuck. And

16:33

it's somehow like taking like the old

16:35

Din Tai Fung and like the gallery, like

16:37

it's got such a huge space. Right,

16:39

right, right, dude. That's,

16:42

there's like, there's this store on

16:44

Fairfax and Melrose that's been, it's

16:46

called like, it's a huge

16:49

green building and it's something, something

16:51

hydroponics. I moved here 11 years ago. It

16:54

has never been open. It's

16:56

gotta be like $7 million worth

17:00

of real estate. I have no fucking,

17:02

at Fairfax and Melrose, like that

17:04

is peak. There's like, there's a little bar.

17:06

It used to be like a Cabo Cantina

17:08

or something, like right by the comedy store.

17:10

It just got turned into like a Five

17:13

Nights at Freddy's, like pop-up thing, but it's

17:16

right on sunset. But it

17:18

like for months, for probably like almost two

17:21

years, it was just like totally

17:23

shut down and like, it

17:25

looked like it was in a ghost town, like full

17:27

of garbage and stuff. And I'm like, how can this

17:29

afford to not be a bar? Like, how could you

17:31

afford this? This is where it

17:33

gets weird into like the producers level territory

17:35

with these like real estate where it's like,

17:38

actually, if we open a business, it starts

17:40

like, could start losing money.

17:42

But as real estate, it just

17:44

constantly adds value in Los

17:46

Angeles because everything goes up in price. So

17:49

they're weirdly, these assets are not depreciating

17:51

at all despite it being like an

17:54

empty lot. And it's

17:56

like, wait. So it's incentivized

17:58

to not try to open. Like,

18:00

you know, it starts to get weird where it's

18:02

like, it's actually better if nothing opens

18:05

there. It's like, well, not for the

18:07

people who live in the neighborhood. Yes,

18:10

for the landowner. But no one gives a

18:12

fuck about that. I live

18:14

off of Melrose in the WeHo area, and there

18:17

is, like, we have, like, seven

18:19

high-end rug stores that are the size

18:21

of department stores. And it's like, God

18:23

forbid one of these was, like, a cafe

18:26

or, like, a former, like,

18:28

an organic market or something like that.

18:30

Right, right. Or like a co-op to

18:32

help, like, unhoused people or something. Yeah,

18:34

or even better. Yeah, exactly. Like, anything

18:36

in the world. Yeah, I'm being selfish.

18:38

There's tears below. There's tears, awful time-ons

18:41

in these that are even more important.

18:43

Yeah. I used to work

18:45

at this office for this, like, awful ad

18:47

agency in CINO, and I

18:50

would drive home and there were

18:52

three competing chandelier stores on

18:55

the same, like, block. And I'm like, you

18:57

couldn't open a chandelier store anywhere

18:59

other than this one block of Encino?

19:01

And there's got to be some shit

19:03

like, well, you know, the chandelier district

19:06

has been just in South Encino, and

19:08

you're like, no, that doesn't seem like

19:10

a thing that needs a whole district. We can tap

19:12

into the main line of Encino's power grid here. Yeah,

19:15

oh, yeah. We got all the power we need.

19:17

You try to open one of these bad boys

19:19

in, like, Northeast L.A., you'll fucking drain it. You're

19:22

like, okay, man, whatever. But

19:26

something we talked about, oh, first

19:28

of all, the funny, like, I talk about this on the

19:30

pod all the time, but, like, going back and forth with

19:32

the potential guests, like, oh, what are we going to talk

19:34

about? You were like, we could talk about being

19:36

heavy lifeguarding. Like, it was just like seven

19:38

things that I was like, yeah, these are,

19:41

like, the core tenets of my personality. So,

19:43

yeah. I was like, I

19:45

did, I only lifeguarded ever. You would love

19:47

this because you were like a beach lifeguard,

19:49

right? Yeah, but I did. You were a

19:51

real lifeguard. I lifeguarded

19:54

at the Hofstra Swim Center and pools

19:56

and apartment pools, too. Like, I did

19:58

it, like, all the time. I

20:00

life guarded at a pool that was

20:02

four feet deep the entire pool. It

20:05

was like the dumbest rec center pool ever

20:07

built. The deepest was only four feet. So

20:10

when I tell people I was a lifeguard,

20:12

I feel like it's like I have to

20:14

be like, you know, when somebody's like, I'm

20:16

a doctor, but they're like a dentist, you

20:19

know, and you're like, all right, come down.

20:22

Yeah, it's kind of true there.

20:26

But the topic that you threw out

20:28

that I latched onto was because recently

20:30

I had been talking about being

20:32

a comedy nerd before being

20:35

a comedian and how

20:37

that affects your path or what that brings,

20:39

how that brings your energy into it. And

20:41

I think that's true for a large amount

20:43

of people, but I don't know how many

20:46

people would admit to being a comedy nerd

20:48

because now once you're a comedian, you're like

20:50

comedy nerds are fucking lame, dude. You're like,

20:52

yeah, it's kind of like wrestling or whatever.

20:55

They're not supposed to be like big

20:57

fans of wrestling, but they all kind

20:59

of secretly were. Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

21:02

exactly. So there's that vibe

21:04

and you but also

21:06

you run into people who are like pretty

21:09

fucking good or I

21:12

was going to say successful, but I'll remove successful, just

21:14

a pretty fucking good comedians that I'm like, yeah,

21:16

man, I was addicted to The Simpsons. They're like, I

21:18

never could get into that. Yeah, yeah.

21:21

What? Or

21:23

it's like some people that are like like like

21:26

the quote unquote, like cool guy comics

21:28

that are just like get into comedy

21:30

and just like like skate on success,

21:33

like very easily. And you're like, who are your favorite

21:35

comics? And they're like looking at a name written on

21:37

there and they're like Bill Hicks and

21:39

George Carlin and Richard Pryor.

21:41

It's like, wow, you really dove

21:44

deep into the great stuff. Yeah. Those

21:47

are like if you ask a majority

21:49

of like people. Mitch Hadberg, who their

21:51

favorite fan of ours. They'll get these

21:53

names. You'll still get these names. It's

21:55

so hard to like pierce through on

21:57

to non like comedy fans.

22:00

I feel like you know what I mean like the

22:02

big like I mean I guess you get like my

22:04

mom knows who Sebastian Maniscalco is

22:07

you know what I mean like and like

22:09

that's like a let my dad would know

22:11

his face, right? I

22:13

don't think my mom would know Dave Chappelle,

22:16

which is weird

22:18

like he's arguably more famous than

22:20

Maniscalco, but No one's

22:22

gonna invite my mom to a Chappelle show But everyone

22:24

would just be really funny if your mom was like

22:26

I just don't know about these bathroom I

22:30

side with I agree with him too much to enjoy

22:32

his comment Of

22:37

course my Ginzo Italian-american mother someone's like

22:39

you know you don't know who Sebastian

22:41

Maniscalco my brother my brother my brothers are

22:44

big Sebastian heads and they took my mom

22:46

and my mom is like Constantly

22:49

and now one of my mom's favorite thing and she

22:51

does this about everything but recently on the phone. She's

22:53

like, I Yeah, I'm actually going

22:55

to the Borgata next weekend. I'm like, oh what for?

22:58

The Borgata I'm going to see gonna

23:01

see Sebastian Maniscalco, you know who that is.

23:03

He's like the Italian stand-up I'm like, fuck

23:06

you Joanne and it's like also

23:08

your son is a comedian like I

23:11

know who The

23:16

way my mom talks about him is like finally

23:18

found a comic I like This

23:21

little indie guy you may not have heard of

23:23

he likes his own mother pretty good Sebastian

23:26

Maniscalco, I love when

23:29

they mess the name up through they're like,

23:31

I'm a big fan of Sebastian Maniscalkey Yeah,

23:33

I mean like that is like such parent

23:35

shit. It's so Today

23:39

I was at the liquor store buying

23:41

some supplies for the power hour and

23:44

this guy next to me We're looking at the

23:46

big rack of little mini bottles and there's

23:48

like an older man next to me and I'm like

23:50

There's two huge like spinning trees. I'm like, what are

23:52

you looking for? I'll keep an eye out over here

23:54

and you do the same for me. He's like, I'm

23:57

looking for Harry's Cream

24:00

liquor and I was like, okay,

24:02

if they don't have that off to get Kahlua. I'm

24:04

like, okay I'll keep my eyes out. I'm like, I'm

24:06

looking for Jagermeister. He's like, okay great. We

24:08

start looking through and I'm like What

24:11

I'm sorry. I'm An

24:13

ex-alcoholic. What is the name of this liquor?

24:17

And he's like it's like I think

24:19

he says it again. Maybe it's Henry's he's

24:21

like Henry's liquor cream liquor I'm like cream

24:24

liquor. He said yeah, you like put

24:26

in coffee and stuff like that and I'm like Oh,

24:28

do you mean Bailey's? He's like Bailey's.

24:31

Yes And I'm like and I look

24:33

and I'm like right you are some

24:35

guy's dad. You are somebody's uncle You're

24:37

coming home going brought home to Henry's

24:39

cream. You said you like, you know,

24:41

like Harry's

24:43

razor cream Yeah,

24:47

and I when he was

24:49

like if they don't have Harry's I'll take

24:51

and I was like what the fuck is

24:53

this guy talking? But you just saying that

24:55

reminded me of like just old old people

24:57

just like lean into like you correct them

24:59

in the Conversation multiple do it my wife.

25:01

My wife is Italian and her

25:03

her mom loves Mark Ruffalo But

25:06

we'll we'll always call him Mark Ruffalo

25:08

You know and like

25:10

just make my hutch more Italian in her

25:12

mind. That's awesome. His agent probably made him

25:15

change his name It's

25:17

not his agent if that's what happened that fellas He's

25:23

rep by Ellis Island Yeah,

25:26

I mean not for long. He's a little

25:28

too pro-palestinian to maintain his representation

25:33

There is such a good sketch I saw

25:35

on Instagram That was a it was like

25:37

an actor calling his friends being like which

25:39

hey, um, which side are you leaning on?

25:41

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29:17

you nerding out on comedy wise? Like what was

29:19

your, what got you into

29:21

comedy? What forced your path into comedy

29:23

fandom at least before? So this is,

29:25

so this is kind of interesting. Like,

29:27

I think the biggest difference is that

29:30

like, I had the

29:32

internet when my sense of humor was

29:34

like first developing. I,

29:36

right. You know what I mean? Like,

29:38

so I was, I didn't have good

29:40

internet till college. Right. Exactly. So it's

29:43

like in college you could use the

29:45

internet and like, and like find funny

29:47

stuff. But like my sense of humor

29:49

was being shaped by like weird internet.

29:51

Yeah. It was on, it was on

29:53

path with the internet. Like I, yeah.

29:56

So, which I think is cool. Cause

29:59

it opens you up. some more shit than what is

30:01

playing on Fox. But it also, and

30:04

kind of kills monoculture in a good way.

30:08

But it does feel like,

30:10

I feel some sort of pride

30:15

in having had to have watched I Dream

30:17

of Genie for some reason. Like, and that's

30:19

just me being old man Gabriel. And also

30:21

I grew up poor, so

30:23

we didn't have cable when

30:26

I was growing up. So I weirdly was like,

30:29

really my first comedy stuff was I

30:31

was obsessed with like Jay Leno and

30:33

Conan, because they would do their monologues.

30:36

Yeah, and also when

30:38

you're young, like that time, like

30:40

if you're not watching in a clip, if

30:42

you're watching it at night, that's when you

30:44

feel like you're like, I'm in grown up

30:47

territory here. Yeah, and you feel a little

30:49

more adult and you want to

30:51

be a good, you want to laugh. You want to go

30:53

like, I get it. You want to know why they're laughing,

30:55

yes. And like, that's been like

30:57

my journey my whole life from a little kid. I

31:00

think that's why I got into like grown up shit

31:02

when I was a kid, because I'd be like, oh,

31:04

I think I understand this joke. And then I'd like

31:06

bring that premise or energy. Or the same thing with

31:08

like a movie when your parents watch it and go

31:10

like, wow, that's fucked up. And you're like, why was that?

31:13

Yeah. Duh, I don't even. Or

31:16

your dad is like laughing at something and you're

31:19

like, what is this? He's like, oh, it's Bill

31:21

Cosby's album. And you're like, the guy from the

31:23

Cosby show? I kind of think that's funny. He's

31:25

like, oh, no, that's not exactly the guy from

31:27

the Cosby show. And you're like, and like,

31:29

you get that like let, you feel

31:32

like you're let into something. And arguably,

31:35

the internet sort of manifest

31:38

that in a way because you're self-discovery.

31:41

You're like, almost everything feels like maybe

31:43

you're not sure if you're supposed to.

31:45

Well, and you can take stuff to

31:47

your group of friends and present it

31:49

as this like, I uncovered this. You're

31:52

all in the desert and you're like at a dig site.

31:55

You're like uncovering and it's like Charlie the unicorn.

31:57

And you get to show your other 12 year

31:59

old friends like look at, see. Hey man, I

32:02

got salad fingers over here. Yeah,

32:04

exactly, dude, exactly. But

32:07

Jay Leno, I remember I was

32:10

obsessed with him during the Monica

32:12

Lewinsky years because my parents

32:14

would talk about how they would have their

32:16

friends over and I would have just watched

32:19

the Jay Leno episode the night before and

32:21

I would have memorized a bunch of

32:23

the jokes. And so then

32:25

I'm like this seven-year-old, like this brassy seven-year-old

32:27

with my arm up on the table like,

32:29

you hear about this, my uncle Lewinsky, see

32:31

this? You hear about this from Newbinks? Making

32:33

your mom play like a bass on the

32:35

floor. Yeah, yeah. Oh, oh, Kyle, oh, Kyle.

32:39

I love my mom being a

32:41

red-headed Jewish Kevin Newbank. Miss

32:47

Frizzle Newbanks. That's really

32:49

funny because that's the same shit

32:51

I do. And then you hear tons of

32:53

stories like that of people like,

32:56

you know, I recorded the audio of

32:58

SNL and listened to it before, you know, listened to

33:00

it in the morning and stuff like that

33:03

shit is so real. And like, there's

33:07

something's got to latch you into it. And like, if

33:09

some, for me it was, and I think I'm feeling

33:11

this from you too, like feeling like

33:14

comedy, like is sort of like

33:16

a fart would make your dad

33:18

laugh. Like your dad might not

33:20

like really, you can really engage with him about

33:22

something, but a fart would make him laugh. Or

33:25

like a simp, you could watch a Simpsons using

33:27

an example of Rob earlier. This is a little

33:29

older for me, but watching the Simpsons and you

33:31

laugh at something and he laughs at something you

33:33

don't. And then you're like, what is that?

33:35

Do you remember your first big like family

33:38

laugh? Like your first big, like a bit

33:40

from like when you were really young or

33:42

something that actually hit? Dude, I

33:44

have a good one. Yeah, I do. And it might

33:46

be, it might be a sort

33:49

of forced memory because it is on

33:51

camera the day my dad got a

33:53

video camera. Oh, 1993 or 1994, like a big beast of a cat. And

33:59

my dad. was a stagehand, a grip.

34:01

So he was like aware, like

34:03

he was on the forefront of getting the

34:05

camera. And he got like just like the

34:08

first one that came out for like home use and

34:10

it was a beast or whatever. And

34:13

where we also,

34:15

it was Christmas, we also got these Yankee

34:18

and we're New York Italians. So

34:20

we got these Yankees nightlights. And

34:24

it was, we got them on Christmas Eve

34:26

and we had- Santa can know to leave

34:28

a meatball by your bed. Hey, melt the

34:30

muds on top, baby. Mike

34:33

Falzone, Mike Falzone is almost what I call him. Mike

34:35

Falzone has a really funny bit about

34:38

being Italian with an X. That's

34:44

really funny. We, and

34:46

on video, it's my

34:49

dad's like, so what'd you guys get for Christmas?

34:51

And it's me and my little brother who's like,

34:53

we're three years different. And we got to be

34:55

like nine and six,

34:58

eight and five, something in there. And

35:00

my little brother is, he's

35:03

a principal, but he's very funny as well. And so

35:05

is my other brother, like my whole family is very

35:07

funny. And we're holding up these

35:09

nightlights and we're like, we got these nightlights

35:11

from pop-pop. He's like, so

35:14

what do you think about them? And then we like look at

35:16

each other and I just look back and go, they

35:19

suck. Way

35:21

too young. And like my dad laughs and

35:23

then like he, of

35:25

course, he's like, come, come, come, tell

35:27

your mom about the nightlight. Like, you

35:29

know, it's like they're getting paraded around

35:32

and like, and with getting a good

35:34

reaction everywhere and you, I'm getting, I

35:36

have literal goosebumps, maybe, you know, dead

35:38

dad memories, but also the memories of

35:40

getting of, of, of killing. Yeah. Killing,

35:44

killing and not knowing that it's

35:46

a thing you could ever reproduce

35:48

again is such a like goose

35:50

bumpy feeling. Yeah. It's a

35:52

dragon that you chase for. Yeah. I think, wait,

35:54

I can make my own heroine. Right.

35:57

Right. I remember.

36:00

My sister, my older sister was in like

36:02

a youth law program. Like they were like

36:04

helping you like maybe become a lawyer one

36:06

day when you're in like high school or

36:08

something. And it was like

36:11

this big award ceremony and there was this like

36:13

important judge. He was like the big deal that

36:15

he was there to like present this, you know,

36:17

accept this like lifetime achievement award or something. And

36:20

so it's all these like lawyers and stuff

36:22

at this like fancy gala. But

36:25

this, this judge had

36:28

this very like, he had this

36:30

like Pixar character walk where

36:32

he was just like really like, like throwing

36:34

his hips around and like walking with like

36:36

his pants super high up. And

36:38

as a little kid, I just thought he had such

36:41

like a cartoon, I would do this as a kid.

36:43

I would like mimic how like different cartoons walked and

36:45

stuff, you know what I mean? Like be like, I

36:47

would walk around like goofy or whatever. And

36:50

so I started walking around. It was like a buffet

36:52

style thing. So you could like get up and get

36:54

food. And so I started

36:56

like walking around like kind of behind him

36:58

doing like the same motions. And

37:01

I was like killing at these tables

37:03

of like random lawyer adults. So

37:05

like all very like serious adults were

37:07

like noticing this kid making fun of

37:09

this judge that they all, I learned

37:11

now like they all hated. Right.

37:14

A hard ass judge. At minimum, they

37:16

all recognized how he walked. Yeah. They

37:19

liked him. They were like, it does walk like

37:21

that. And so to see

37:23

this little kid like roasting this, this

37:26

guy with physical comedy was murdering.

37:29

And my sister was so mad

37:31

at me. Like my sister was

37:33

furious, but even I knew I

37:35

was okay because my parents were

37:37

laughing. Yes, yes. And

37:39

when you have that approval, like in high

37:41

school, I got in trouble. We

37:43

had this, he like worked at

37:45

the school, but he had gone to the school a

37:47

couple of years before and

37:49

his name, and I won't say his name,

37:51

I guess, but he was like very cute.

37:54

And he was like very cutesy. We found out he was

37:56

like trying to be like a male model and

37:59

he was like a, real jerk to all of us students

38:01

though. So like we all kind of like, when we found

38:03

out he was a male model, we found his like model

38:05

mayhem page. And

38:08

as a joke, I had made like

38:10

a t-shirt that said all

38:12

I want for Christmas is, uh,

38:14

you know, and then his name and I had

38:16

one of his like modeling like Christmas pictures on it

38:19

and I was like, should I make these and hand

38:21

them out to the whole, like

38:23

the whole senior class. And

38:26

I got, I got brought in and I got in

38:28

so much trouble. And, uh,

38:31

my, my parents, uh,

38:34

were laughing though, the whole time I was in, like,

38:37

we were in the room with the principal and I

38:39

was like, okay, I think I'm good because my

38:42

parents think that this is ridiculous.

38:44

Yeah. And it's objectively funny. It's

38:46

probably just rude. If not, at

38:49

most it's rude. It's

38:52

a rude thing. A 17 year old did. At

38:56

best it's like, this is an absolute waste of my

38:58

fucking time. That's how we got like Saturday

39:01

detention for fucking, uh,

39:03

playing like blowing

39:05

saltines all over each other at like at

39:08

a lunch table. And I remember

39:10

just weekend detention and my dad was like,

39:12

what the fuck? Did you get in trouble

39:14

for it? It was like, yeah.

39:16

And he's like, ah, and like, he never even, he

39:19

would never, the rare time, like your parents

39:21

side with you over the school, like, you know,

39:23

you can get all these things now, like my

39:25

son is actually this. It's like my parent, my

39:27

teacher would be like, your son is fucking garbage.

39:29

And my parents were like, we told him that

39:31

already. Fucking

39:34

fight alongside me for a little bit. That would be

39:36

nice. Yeah. It was, I also

39:38

remember though, like my grandpa, uh, introduced

39:41

me to a lot of older comedy

39:43

stuff that I would have never found.

39:45

So like my grandpa got me into

39:48

like Charlie Chaplin weirdly when I was

39:50

a little kid. So I

39:52

was like six and like really into like

39:55

Charlie Chaplin VHS collection

39:57

sets. like

40:00

really buckle it down. It is like Looney

40:02

Tunes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's funny

40:05

like, cause it, cause now I could imagine

40:07

trying to put that on for like my

40:09

nephews and then have like, you know, my

40:11

nephews who have like virtual reality,

40:13

Iron Man masks that like, you know, and

40:15

I'm like, hold on. No, you got to,

40:17

like, they couldn't even watch an episode of

40:19

my TV show. Like me being in it

40:22

wasn't enough to hold them for like 20

40:24

minutes. Right. Right. And it's like, that's your

40:26

uncle. That's uncle Nani. The guy who's sitting

40:28

next to you is on the screen. That

40:30

doesn't even fuck. Also, that's

40:32

another thing I've note. This is on the

40:34

side, but I think being

40:36

seen seeing videos of yourself used

40:38

to be very novel. Right.

40:41

Like it used to be like, holy

40:43

shit. Someone says on

40:45

TV, like you would be so excited when someone you

40:47

knew was on the news. Now, it

40:49

was such a big deal. It was such a big

40:51

deal. And now because of video phones, it's like, you're

40:53

just always, you can always look at a video and

40:56

people would like bug out when like, wait, rewind that.

40:58

That's me. That's what I look like. I remember

41:01

working a job really early on in

41:03

the business, being in a writer's room

41:05

with, as a matter of fact, I'll

41:07

just name people. I was in a writer's room for like

41:09

the Spike TV video game wars in like 07 or 08.

41:11

Kurt Metzger, pretty

41:15

successful and now weirdly

41:17

intense standup comic. I

41:19

had shot a bunch of sketches being a UCB

41:22

kid, but being standup, he hadn't like shot anything

41:24

yet. He was on stage every single night, but

41:26

the second we filmed the sketch, he's like, whoa,

41:28

whoa, hold on, go back. And then he's like,

41:31

I guess I watched him like experience

41:33

how it could be cinematic. And it

41:35

like blew his mind. I'm like, Oh,

41:38

this is so run of the mill for me

41:40

because I've been doing like, we're

41:42

shooting fucking stupid, dumb sketches and

41:44

intro bits for improv wrestling or

41:46

whatever. And this

41:48

guy's, and I'm like, Oh fuck, that's why. And so now

41:51

when I see like my nephew, I'm like, look at this.

41:53

It's a video of me. And he's like, yeah, I have

41:55

a video of me on my, I have 2000 videos

41:57

of me on my mom's phone. You're like, Oh, right. Yeah,

42:00

yeah, because I tried I tried to make so many

42:02

like YouTube videos and stuff when I was like

42:04

younger when I was like You know 12 or

42:07

so cuz I was like when that whole thing was first

42:09

I could only imagine I could only imagine

42:12

if that shit was I would have like

42:14

I would not be ever working again I'd have

42:16

changed name and being like Europe because I'd put

42:18

out the most I We

42:21

had a public access show We did a public access

42:23

sketch show on Long Island called the hammerheads and then

42:25

me and my friends did another one called studio 5353

42:28

like we tried to fuck we were and

42:30

we edited everything in camera like where you'd

42:32

be like record and then say the line

42:35

I'd pop stop and go right now record

42:37

say your line Okay, stop now record say

42:39

and we just did everything like that. It

42:41

was so fucking jarring, but if we had

42:43

the fuck like Do

42:46

you have any of those YouTube's like are

42:48

they humbling or do you see like

42:50

oh, they're like, oh, they're so humbling

42:52

I mean, they're they're they're brutal There's

42:55

occasionally like a small thing that in

42:57

there that I'm like, I don't hate

42:59

that that's not awful I'd

43:01

be like man if a fucking 12 year

43:04

old kid brought this by me, I'd go

43:06

you actually that is a little something Okay,

43:08

yeah, you're on something. You know, I you

43:10

know and So

43:12

making those sketches and stuff like that was definitely

43:15

something I was always trying to get like a

43:17

sketch group together when I was right it like

43:19

I was always trying to get like four or

43:21

five of my friends to like really want to

43:23

make a web series or something like Cuz

43:26

I love like angry video game nerd and those guys

43:28

who were able to like make Like

43:30

internet videos but a little more cinematic and a little

43:32

more interesting and that's eventually why I went to like

43:34

film school And stuff cuz I was like I want

43:36

to be able to make sketches not look like shit

43:39

Like sound off no funny. I wonder in

43:42

the younger generations how many people were

43:44

inspired to like study film

43:48

Do so many people so many people in

43:50

my film program were like had YouTube channels

43:52

or right makes total You know did did

43:55

stuff, you know, it's like kind of the

43:57

de facto Youtuber job

43:59

is like I want to go to film school

44:01

and direct I get I went to

44:03

college I went my freshman year of college was in the year 2000

44:06

and the teachers taught reel-to-reel

44:08

editing in the production classes and

44:10

I Learned avid

44:12

from a dude in my

44:14

sketch group because we started making digital Not

44:18

digit, but I had I got a

44:20

Sony digital camera for Christmas and we

44:22

I used that You know, I'm

44:24

Italian because like anything good I've ever had in my

44:26

life. I got on Christmas That's

44:30

good will power for like

44:32

treating myself because everything is like gotta

44:34

wait till Christmas It's like always like

44:36

well you can ask Santa for that

44:38

and my parents would be more generous

44:41

than I could ever imagine Every

44:43

Christmas, but we had to hold out

44:45

for it for some weird reason I think

44:47

so funny. I think like my dad's overtime

44:50

at the fucking at Fox five I might

44:52

think my thing was I could always Convent

44:54

I could get my parents to figure it

44:56

out They could maybe my grandparents and parents

44:58

to go in together on it or something

45:01

if I could sell it as educational Yeah

45:04

as having that edge that that like I

45:06

got them to buy me a camera by

45:08

being like I'm teaching myself Photography

45:10

like it's edge, you know what I mean? Right

45:16

Fucking smart that's a savvy young kid right

45:18

there that that

45:21

is jumping back to

45:23

get I got into sketch

45:25

comedy and then would eventually do live

45:27

sketch comedy first before I even did

45:29

videos because That's just the technology timeline

45:31

for me. Wow. Yeah, totally opposite I

45:33

was probably doing sketch comedy when I

45:35

was 12 But but

45:38

playing all the characters or getting one of my

45:40

friends to do it with me, right? Right, and

45:42

I don't know if I've still I've maybe done

45:45

a sketch or two live But I've like live

45:47

sketch is not something I've never really ever

45:50

really done. Oh, it's just yeah And so

45:52

I I got into

45:54

sketch from you brought up angry video game

45:57

nerd and that I wanted Meet for

45:59

me. It was like SNL

46:01

obviously, but then like the

46:03

state and kids in the

46:05

hall, like those were like

46:07

so paramount, and they would just run

46:09

those on, well the state, I was

46:12

like I'm old enough to have

46:14

watched it on MTV, but like there was a period

46:16

of time, and this was when

46:18

I was a little older and like in high school,

46:20

but this was like my master's course in comedy. Comedy

46:23

Central was air, either the truncated

46:27

SNLs, Conan, kids

46:30

in the hall, or some

46:32

new original they were launching, and then

46:34

like eventually went to movies. But

46:37

second, watching old Conans all the

46:39

time was like so good for me,

46:42

like emotionally, like that shit was so

46:44

inspiring and so funny, and I think

46:46

there's probably like around people my age,

46:48

like hundreds of us who like watched

46:51

The Simpsons as kids, got into comedy,

46:53

and then landed at this like when

46:55

Comedy Central was also like fully like

46:58

before they were into like fully

47:00

original content, they were just. Well and

47:02

then you get older and you start

47:04

to piece things together and you're like

47:06

oh okay, so three of my favorite

47:09

episodes of The Simpsons were also written

47:11

by Conan or like his little group

47:13

of friends, like guys. When I found

47:15

out, dude what you're doing. Monorail. This

47:19

must have been like when Martin Luther came up with

47:21

like the 95 pieces, because when I

47:24

was showing to Conan, when I found out he,

47:26

I didn't even care what episodes, but

47:28

when I found out he used to work at The

47:30

Simpsons, that blew my fucking mind, I'm like

47:32

but these are two of the funniest things I've ever been

47:34

part of, I'm like he's the common

47:36

denominator. Yeah, I know, I have a little bit more

47:38

about how the industry works, but at the time I

47:41

was like this guy's a fucking god, he's had two

47:43

of the best jobs I've ever, two of

47:45

the best shows I've ever watched in my 18

47:47

years on this earth. Have you seen that, there's

47:50

like a Conan Simpson's like round

47:52

table, like writer's round table? No.

47:56

Okay, you have to look this up, you'd love this.

47:58

So it's Conan and a bunch of the. like season

48:00

one through probably five, like

48:02

Simpson's writers, like the OGs.

48:06

And what's amazing is they

48:08

treat Conan like he's like

48:10

an open miker still.

48:12

Like he's like the baby writer in the room.

48:15

Cause that dynamic weirdly doesn't change as someone who's

48:17

now been doing comedy around some of the same

48:19

people for 20 years. Like

48:21

I'm always just like, yeah, that guy fucking drives me

48:23

crazy. And then I'm like, actually to be

48:26

fair, I think I'm judging him on his 23 year

48:28

old self and he is a father of four now.

48:31

He might have a different vibe. It's a

48:33

funny video because they like talk about how

48:36

like they thought his name sounded so dumb on

48:38

his like writing sample. Yeah, of course. They were

48:40

like, we called him to make fun of his

48:42

name. Like we didn't even call him to offer

48:45

him a job. We called him to be like,

48:47

so what are you? Like an Irish, like,

48:50

like, barbarian? Yeah. That's

48:54

fucking, oh man, I gotta check that out. Link

48:56

me that shit after dog. I will. But

48:59

no, like I think like, so I remember

49:02

my grandpa. Just real quick before

49:04

you get grandpa, what tweaks it from,

49:06

cause what we're describing is like, what

49:08

tweaks it from fandom to nerd them. You know

49:10

what I mean? There's like, there is some sort

49:12

of, what is that metric that we're measuring there?

49:15

Cause like you start to think like,

49:17

I think thinking about it like

49:20

Conan wrote for the Simpsons and

49:22

that show. Oh, and like putting

49:24

and like going deeper

49:26

and saying like, why do I think this is

49:28

funny? Why did I like this? How

49:31

would this repeat? Well, and that's why podcasts

49:33

I think are cool for people to nerd

49:35

out into because you can see like, and

49:37

pick up on dynamics to be like, oh,

49:39

these guys from this show and these guys

49:41

from this show are actually, they're friends that

49:43

have been for many years. You know what I mean?

49:45

Like, oh, that's so cool. You know,

49:47

like, and you can sort of like nerd out

49:50

in the, almost like how you nerd out in

49:52

like how all the Marvel heroes connect. Right.

49:55

Like, oh, this guy's in this dude's run for

49:57

four issues. So I can go listen to, I

49:59

go. Listen to him talk about why Iron

50:01

Giant is great. These

50:04

two guys that did comedy together for like

50:06

10 years have two separate podcasts, but I

50:08

like both of them. So I bet you

50:10

I would have liked the comedy they were,

50:12

you know, like all that shit. Yeah, yeah.

50:14

That's fun. So

50:16

I remember like, someone with my grandpa, it's

50:18

funny you mentioned the state. I'm

50:21

obsessed with like mockumentary. Like it's like

50:23

my favorite, like I love documentary now.

50:25

I, you know, obsessed with all that

50:27

stuff. Documentary now is so,

50:30

I love parody. That episode they did, I

50:32

don't know if you saw it, the Duchour

50:34

Mountains, where it's like, okay. Is

50:37

that the newest season? It's a newer season.

50:39

You have to watch it. It's a two

50:41

part one. It's, they're doing, what's his name?

50:44

Please follow. Oh, you know, he talks

50:47

like this. It just. Werner Herzog. Yeah,

50:49

Werner Herzog. They're doing a Werner Herzog

50:51

where he's, it's like a parody of

50:53

that where he's this director who is

50:56

shooting like an intense documentary about like

50:58

the trials of the Duchour people who

51:00

live in the harshest of all basins

51:02

in the world. And

51:05

he's also filming a sitcom

51:07

pilot, the bachelor nanny for

51:09

CBS, like simultaneously.

51:13

And it is the funniest fucking thing. Oh,

51:15

that's awesome. It's so good. I mean, they

51:17

do such, I mean, there's such

51:19

funny people. They go in so deep, but visually.

51:21

Yes, they like, I love, because

51:25

parody is what first taught me to

51:27

understand comedy, like even like trying to

51:29

learn like the UCB idea of game

51:31

when I was in my twenties. The

51:33

one that locked it in for me was when I

51:36

took like a movie improv class. And it's like, you

51:38

just like, oh, I get why this is funny in

51:40

hot shots because they're matching this thing that reminds you

51:42

like, oh, that would be funny. If like, imagine in

51:44

top kind of blank, if they did this instead, you're

51:46

like, oh. And then you get to see it in

51:49

the movie. You're like, oh,

51:51

I see now. And

51:54

that's the

51:56

douchecore mountain. Sorry, I'm on a full side. Jump

51:58

back to the- No, I- I think that's one

52:00

of the things that makes me so excited about that

52:03

style too is the filmmaker

52:06

side of me loves how

52:08

they pay attention to the filmmaking

52:10

of all these different documentaries. Whether

52:12

they're doing the documentary about the

52:14

octopus. My octopus feature. Yeah,

52:17

they did a parody of that one

52:19

and they filmed it just like it.

52:22

They always crush it. They make the Grey

52:24

Gardens one look like Grey Gardens. The Grey

52:26

Gardens one is so good. When it cuts

52:28

to Fred Armisen, he just has a bowl

52:30

with ice cubes in the bed. That

52:33

shit dog. Because in film school

52:35

they made us watch Grey Gardens. You know what

52:38

I mean? In documentary class they made you

52:40

watch Grey Gardens. So it's like when that

52:42

stuff comes full circle. But I remember like

52:44

specifically when I was a kid going

52:47

with my parents when I had a town and I was they

52:50

took my grandma and so I was just with my

52:52

grandpa and we went

52:54

and saw and he's an

52:56

older Jewish man, New York,

52:59

born and raised Brooklyn and

53:02

we went and saw Borat. And

53:07

he was dying. My

53:09

grandpa had a hilarious sense of humor. He

53:12

would prank people. He

53:14

renewed his vows with my grandma in the

53:16

Bahamas, 50 years of being married. They

53:20

ask her, do you take him to continue

53:22

to be your lawfully wed husband? I do. They

53:25

have people playing violins, the whole thing. And they

53:27

get to him and they're like, do you still

53:29

take Ruth to continue to be here? And he

53:31

goes. And

53:34

they're like, sir, he's like, I'm

53:36

thinking. Like

53:39

classic. That's great grandpa

53:41

work. Yeah, yeah. Classic grandpa right

53:43

there. He went to UCB for

53:45

grandpa work. Yeah. Well, look,

53:47

I'm teaching level two grandpa. I mean, that's

53:49

half of what UCB is teaching now anyway.

53:52

And I'm doing private grandpa work. It's eight

53:54

hundred dollars. Yeah. Look,

53:56

we're outside the school system. I rented a silver

53:58

studio in Silver Lake. be

54:00

fucking Gucci. But

54:02

we went to a poor ad. I just

54:05

remember him dying, laughing, and that

54:08

movie being so

54:10

formative because it felt like something that

54:14

maybe my parents wouldn't even be okay with

54:16

me watching. Right. But I

54:18

got an adult to let

54:20

me into this adult thing.

54:22

Yeah, mom

54:25

would let me like... You're

54:27

still to do that shit with... My grandma and grandpa

54:29

would babysit us a lot. And my grandma would be

54:31

like, you're allowed to have candy

54:33

before dinner? Be like, yeah, sometimes.

54:36

Or my pop-up, the

54:39

widowed Italian grandpa, he couldn't give a

54:41

fuck. He just was like, I have

54:43

to just be here. He's like, whatever

54:45

makes you guys happy. He would just

54:48

take us to Nathan's and peel off

54:50

like $5 each and just like shit

54:52

like this at the arcade. We

54:55

ran around. He could just do these

54:58

things in hindsight that is just like,

55:00

yeah. And then we would be like,

55:02

pop-up gave us $5. That's 20 quarters.

55:04

We couldn't wrap our fucking heads around how much

55:07

money that was. I also

55:09

remember Borat was huge.

55:12

And then definitely in that same

55:14

vein, I remember flipping through the

55:16

channels one day, probably with my

55:19

grandpa, I think. And

55:21

we got to, you mentioned the state, we

55:24

got to Reno 911. And without knowing what

55:26

it was at all, thinking it

55:28

was just cops, right? Which is the

55:30

most magical you could ever find that show.

55:34

It's the episode, it's like the bit

55:36

where they just like rescued this cat

55:39

off of this roof. And it's like

55:41

the cops talking to all these kids about how good

55:43

the police actually are. Like there's no reason to be

55:45

afraid of the police. They actually help you. And

55:48

he's got like this cat, the other one's got this

55:50

cat and he's on the roof and he's like, don't

55:52

worry, I saved it. And he holds it up and

55:54

then he slips and he drops it.

55:56

And there's an AC unit like right there. And

55:58

it goes right in it. and then

56:00

just red splatter on the house. And

56:03

it's such a quick bit and then right

56:05

to credits. And I was like, what is

56:08

this? And you think you're

56:10

watching cops, right? Yeah. Like,

56:12

what is this? And that's the power of parody,

56:14

right? There's an element in there of making such

56:17

a good parody of cops and having that base

56:19

of knowledge. You're like, there are things you expect,

56:21

so when it defies expectation, it hits in a

56:23

certain way. It's like, aw, man. Talk

56:27

about discoveries. Fifth

56:31

grade, maybe it is. Fifth

56:34

grade, sixth grade. Fifth grade,

56:37

I'm hearing about a show called

56:40

Beavis and Butt-Head. And

56:42

it's apparently, it's animated and kids at

56:44

school's parents won't let them watch it,

56:46

but it's funny. They

56:49

hit a frog with a baseball bat and

56:51

you're like, what? And then there's like weird

56:53

music. And you're like hearing all these secondhand

56:55

stories, like, I have to watch this show,

56:57

Beavis and Butt-Head. And then there was

56:59

this summer that we were living with my grandpa

57:02

due to some housing issues, you know, similar, raised

57:04

poor. Now, my poor widow and

57:06

pop-up has a family of five and a dog

57:08

moving in with him. So

57:11

we fucking move in there. And

57:14

it's the summer. I know that

57:16

this show is on MTV. That's

57:19

all I know about Beavis and Butt-Head. And

57:21

we have one TV on in the basement

57:23

that has cable on

57:25

MTV and we run down

57:28

every 30 minutes that

57:30

we're awake to see. Anytime it's like, yeah,

57:32

it's like at five, at five thirty, at

57:34

six, at six thirty, or if it was

57:36

like, seems like it's music video. It's probably

57:38

a music video. Because there's no way of

57:40

knowing. There was no way at all. And

57:42

then one time I ran downstairs and

57:45

I'm like, my brother, I'm going to say his name, my

57:47

brother, get down here, down here. He comes

57:49

sprinting down the stairs. It's actually really funny

57:51

that you're like, my brother, my brother,

57:54

you must be right now. You

57:56

must be. He's like Robin of Larkland. We've got your eyes

57:58

upon the Beavis, brother. And

58:00

we and we sat down to watch it and

58:03

like you're talking about The

58:05

cat dropping into that fan is such a specific

58:07

visual this visual was they had to like

58:11

Hey, if I might even not be

58:13

remembering right they had to paint they they

58:15

got ice cream and paint and

58:18

somehow Confused the two and

58:20

like we're eating ice cream eating paint

58:22

out of ice cream cones and then trying to paint

58:24

their walls with ice cream My

58:27

brother could not wrap our heads around what was going on

58:29

and there was a lot of that like shut up Beavis,

58:32

you know and we were like just felt

58:34

like I we fit landed in like

58:36

a magical fucking world Where we're

58:38

like what because Beavis and butt-head was

58:41

like felt like something you'd never seen

58:43

Animated before no. Yeah exactly. It didn't

58:45

look good like you know what

58:47

I mean? You're like, oh everything always looks good This

58:49

doesn't even look that good That's funny and then it's

58:52

like then it cuts to like a music video about

58:54

a something like for a song called detachable penis And

58:56

you're like what the fuck? 11

59:00

or 12 and like this fucking rule Well,

59:04

and that's one of those things to have like

59:06

Beavis and butt-head for me when I was younger

59:09

felt like Like an older

59:11

kid show, you know what I

59:13

mean? Yeah Yeah, and being able to

59:15

get your hands on like older kids

59:17

stuff always felt like so special. Oh,

59:19

yeah We had luck we

59:21

luckily luckily is funny we were major

59:23

latchkey kids because like both of my

59:25

parents just worked and had Jobs

59:28

where you had to work weekends and and not

59:30

nine to fives So my parents

59:32

were they like they gave

59:34

over TV rules like immediately because they

59:36

were like mm-hmm It's the only thing

59:38

that's gonna keep these fucking kids alive

59:42

So they would like we would have we had

59:44

cable and we we always got the

59:46

new video game system and like and in

59:49

hindsight It was just like buying babysitters, right?

59:51

I would be like come on from

59:53

school and you can watch TV until I get home at

59:55

five You know, you know, you can get off

59:57

the bus at three you're ten and and watch

59:59

your Seven-year-old brother until I get home

1:00:01

from work. You're like, okay, but we can

1:00:04

just watch whatever you want so I never

1:00:06

had that but there would be I would

1:00:08

not get some stuff and I

1:00:11

would it would kill me and that's something that

1:00:13

I still holds here in my heart Like I

1:00:15

have issues. I have to like stop

1:00:17

going on social media because I'll go on Twitter

1:00:19

and I'll be like shit I don't

1:00:21

know what this is in reference to and I'm like and

1:00:24

I have Your girl you're scrolling

1:00:26

down eight tweets trying to get context.

1:00:28

Yeah, you know You

1:00:30

find out it's like oh a streamer was rude

1:00:32

to another streamer. Yeah, we're years ago Wait

1:00:37

streaming what and then like my brain just is

1:00:39

broken that I like have to know everything and

1:00:41

then when I was a kid It felt

1:00:44

like I was like there's this world

1:00:46

of knowledge. I don't understand I could

1:00:48

tell that that's supposed to be a joke.

1:00:50

But why why why don't I think

1:00:52

it's funny? What am I what don't I have that

1:00:54

I'm missing here? And sometimes it would just be like,

1:00:56

oh, that's not funny Or sometimes it'd be like yeah,

1:00:59

you don't have a lot of context for like if

1:01:01

someone's making riffs on like Bruce

1:01:04

Springsteen in the Bible you have zero context for

1:01:06

like either of those and I'm like the

1:01:08

more I know the more I can Enjoy comedy and then

1:01:10

that yeah, I specter brain down

1:01:12

this like lifelong quest to

1:01:15

learn everything totally well, and also

1:01:17

you feel like like,

1:01:20

you know, the more Jokes

1:01:22

you understand the more

1:01:24

you could lean over to someone to be like, you know,

1:01:27

I actually this is funny You know

1:01:29

what? I mean? Like well once you

1:01:31

can talk about understanding jokes memorizing jokes

1:01:33

or memorizing Simpsons lines or Movie

1:01:35

lines that was like that's

1:01:37

dialogue. Yeah. Yeah that was like

1:01:40

I was in the Simpsons fan club in

1:01:42

seventh grade Which was like another kid just

1:01:44

made a 250 question quiz about

1:01:46

the Simpsons Yeah, we would do like the

1:01:48

people would just and because I have like

1:01:51

that stupid spectrum brain where I would be

1:01:53

standing there And they'd be like, sorry

1:01:55

not stupid spectra read that my

1:01:57

brain works in such a specific wall I

1:02:01

memorize things and then whole important

1:02:03

things cannot stick. But I'll

1:02:06

be sitting there and I'll be rattling

1:02:08

off the lines from a hook and my

1:02:10

friends will be fucking cackling or I'll be

1:02:12

like, purple monkey dishwash. I can just rattling

1:02:14

off Simpsons references and my friends just roll

1:02:17

and I'm like, man, this is

1:02:19

crazy. But I feel bad that I'm cheating

1:02:21

by making my friends laugh with the Simpsons.

1:02:23

I'm like, wait, I

1:02:25

got to come up with my own. That's

1:02:27

when you learn that you're creating your

1:02:30

own comedy. A YouTube video or something

1:02:32

too. Like those as kids

1:02:34

were so quotable and you just

1:02:36

replay the video and your friends

1:02:38

all quote them to each other

1:02:40

at school. You

1:02:42

could get immediate context too, which was kind of

1:02:45

lost in my generation. That was kind

1:02:47

of one of the things I always like, and

1:02:49

I would do sometimes, and you would probably do

1:02:51

this too, of like if I didn't understand a

1:02:53

Simpsons joke, I would almost like

1:02:55

invent context in my head to be like,

1:02:58

this is probably what that means. I

1:03:01

don't know who that guy, I don't know

1:03:03

really who this guy is that they're referencing

1:03:05

right now, but I'm imagining that he's some

1:03:07

kind of a mean musician

1:03:09

or something. I don't know. Yeah, all

1:03:11

right. Dude, that's funny. Simpsons was like

1:03:13

one of the, one of, was

1:03:16

a co-viewing show. So

1:03:18

my dad would watch that with us if he was a

1:03:20

home from work. And so that for

1:03:22

me, he was like my, I'm like, what's

1:03:25

Bart's costume? He's like, that's from a

1:03:27

movie called Clockwork Orange. I'm like, is that funny?

1:03:29

And he's like, no, what's funny

1:03:31

is that a kid is dressed as that. I'm

1:03:33

like, why? He's like, the movie's really, really

1:03:35

intense. And I'm like, okay. And I'm like, in

1:03:38

my head, I'm like, Clockwork Orange, Clockwork Orange, you

1:03:40

have to see Clockwork Orange, you have to see

1:03:42

Clockwork Orange. And it's like that burned in

1:03:44

my head. I will see that movie someday. And then like later

1:03:46

on, you're like, wait, why is that funny? And he's like, I

1:03:49

think that's just a weird word. And I'm

1:03:51

like, okay. Yeah, it's kind of

1:03:53

great when your dad doesn't know either. Yeah. And

1:03:55

you'll ask and it'll be like, I don't know,

1:03:57

some political or something. I have no idea. My

1:04:00

dad is like delightfully normal, like normie

1:04:02

core. Like

1:04:08

my dad will call me about like

1:04:10

a new, like he'll call

1:04:13

me about what happened in the act three

1:04:15

of a young Sheldon episode. That's

1:04:18

so awesome. He rules. And that's why like, I

1:04:20

know I could take an idea to him and

1:04:22

I'm like, okay, if it can make my like

1:04:24

comedy nerd friends laugh and

1:04:27

it can make my dad laugh, then

1:04:29

like it's a pretty crossover idea. But

1:04:31

I could tell when my dad, when something's

1:04:34

too weird for my dad comedy wise, he'll

1:04:36

just go, that was different. Like

1:04:39

I thought my dad would really like bullet train just

1:04:43

cause he really likes John Wick and stuff. And I

1:04:45

thought he'd dig bullet train and we saw bullet train

1:04:48

and we were leaving the theater. He just goes, yeah,

1:04:51

just nobody died normal in that movie, huh?

1:04:54

It did kind of suck. It was kind of

1:04:56

like bullet train did kind of suck a little.

1:04:58

I'm with your dad. It was colorful. Yeah,

1:05:01

it was very colorful. I liked the water bottle part.

1:05:04

I did too, it extended like

1:05:06

aquafina. Yeah, yeah. It

1:05:08

was like. It was extended. And

1:05:11

then there's also a weird Audi commercial at

1:05:14

the end. Like, hey, nice car. And

1:05:16

then like a telephone pole falls on it and doesn't

1:05:18

break it at all. They're like, whoa. Brad

1:05:22

Pitt like pulls off and then it just turns

1:05:24

into an Audi app. Yeah, for

1:05:26

sure. Well,

1:05:29

I love a fucking normie dad.

1:05:31

That's, when did you make

1:05:33

the jump from wanting to be a, being

1:05:38

a nerd for it and then

1:05:40

wanting to do it specifically? I'll

1:05:43

kick it off real quick. I never thought it

1:05:45

was like a, I never, it was

1:05:47

never like considered as a choice when I was

1:05:49

young. If I had seen young

1:05:51

kids being funny on YouTube, I would have

1:05:53

fucking 100% leaned in, but

1:05:56

I just didn't seem like something that was, and

1:05:58

my parents were never like. like, hey,

1:06:01

you're a 17-year-old kid who

1:06:03

goes to Blockbuster and rents movies. You could work in

1:06:05

film. My parents are always like, you want to be

1:06:07

a lawyer, a cop, a doctor, a fireman? You

1:06:10

can only have Lego jobs in this

1:06:12

family. And

1:06:16

so I

1:06:19

never thought about it until I went to

1:06:21

school as a biology major. And

1:06:23

then my freshman year, someone was like, I was

1:06:25

just being funny at the

1:06:27

activities board. Someone was like,

1:06:30

put an eye and I signed up for

1:06:32

like, oh yeah, I'm interested in theater. Here's

1:06:34

my, you know, John. By the way, imagine

1:06:36

you being like a marine biologist and like

1:06:38

cracking tall boys on the boat. What

1:06:41

were you thinking? I'm just saying, my initial

1:06:43

major was fire science. I

1:06:48

was like, I'm going to be like a firefighter,

1:06:50

but like an investigator. Also

1:06:54

take it from me. So I'm going to hit

1:06:57

a certain age where twice a day you go like, how

1:07:00

much better of my life could be? Oh

1:07:02

dude, every month and a half my mom's

1:07:04

like, you're big and strong. You should have

1:07:06

been a chiropractor. And

1:07:11

at some point when you're like 56

1:07:14

and renting and don't have a dishwasher, you're going to be

1:07:16

like, if I was a chiropractor,

1:07:18

I'd be retired with a house in

1:07:20

fucking Maui. I could

1:07:22

live in any city where a house isn't $3

1:07:25

million. A

1:07:29

person, I was like, oh yeah, theater. That sounds

1:07:31

fun. I'll sign up. I was just like

1:07:33

putting my name on all these lists and they were like, put an H next to

1:07:35

your name. I'm like, why? And

1:07:37

they're like, well, we have like a comedy group here at

1:07:39

school and you know, you're, it

1:07:42

seems like you might, I was like, oh sure. Yeah.

1:07:45

Corny. Then I like auditioned for it, got it.

1:07:47

And then over the course of that semester, I switched

1:07:49

my major like film production. I was like, I am.

1:07:53

And my dad was an IOTC fucking stagehand. He's

1:07:55

like, look, if you ever want to work in

1:07:57

television, don't go to college. I can

1:07:59

get you a job. It'd be making 80 grand in

1:08:01

like three years and I was like, yeah, no

1:08:03

dad not for me Biology major

1:08:05

gonna join the FBI. That was my

1:08:08

plan. I was gonna be be a scientist

1:08:10

a lego job Good

1:08:15

all right great. I'm like, yeah, no stagehand shit

1:08:18

for me and then like, you

1:08:20

know four years later I'm graduating college

1:08:22

a hundred thousand dollars in debt and I'm

1:08:24

making a hundred and ten dollars a day

1:08:26

as a PA And he's one. Yeah, yeah,

1:08:29

I chose poorly Dude

1:08:32

that is like, okay So going back to

1:08:34

like the things that made me realize I

1:08:37

could do it was I had

1:08:39

only ever seen Stand-up

1:08:41

done like on the Tonight Show

1:08:43

or in specials Or

1:08:45

you know what? I mean stuff like that the

1:08:48

thing that that really made me Feel

1:08:52

like I could do it one of my friends Started

1:08:54

doing stand-up when I was about 17. He was

1:08:56

probably like 20 and But

1:09:01

but the thing that made me realize that like

1:09:03

maybe I could do this That's

1:09:06

funny because you were actually a part of it College

1:09:09

humor used to do these like

1:09:11

black box shows. Yeah,

1:09:13

maybe they're at UCB, New York,

1:09:16

I believe h live Yeah, yeah,

1:09:18

ch live those ch

1:09:20

lives Like

1:09:22

changed my CH life Yeah,

1:09:27

they were so Like

1:09:29

formative to me to be like,

1:09:31

oh shit stand-up can be done

1:09:34

at like a at this scale

1:09:37

Where like I could see doing this

1:09:40

and these guys are funny or funnier

1:09:42

than like the people I've seen with

1:09:44

specials Like I've never heard

1:09:46

of I like this more than bells are you

1:09:49

know? Yeah, yeah exactly Totally.

1:09:51

I'm like, this is cool. Yeah,

1:09:53

and and discovering that through, you

1:09:55

know, like I found college humor

1:09:57

sketches first and then like

1:10:00

deep on their website, the CH Live stuff

1:10:03

was on there. And then I just like,

1:10:05

I would like devour those as soon as

1:10:07

they were posted. I discovered so many like

1:10:09

people through like, like I think that was

1:10:11

the first time I saw like Pete Holmes

1:10:14

probably, you know what I mean? Like- Well,

1:10:16

Laney maybe like he was- Yeah, DC

1:10:18

Pearson was like- Hell

1:10:21

yeah. I discovered like Derek Comedy through

1:10:23

that. You know what I mean?

1:10:25

It was just very backwards. That's so funny. A lot

1:10:27

of people found Derek Comedy. That

1:10:29

is cool though. Like, so

1:10:32

those were such a formative thing

1:10:34

and then being able to show

1:10:36

my friends like this funny

1:10:38

DC Pearson, like

1:10:41

Hagen-Dazs bit. You know what I

1:10:43

mean? Yeah, yeah. And have that be

1:10:45

referenced in our friend group more than Dane Cook's

1:10:47

jokes. You know what I mean? Right. And I

1:10:49

keep coming back to this, the idea that you

1:10:52

can get your friends up to

1:10:54

speed with what you're into

1:10:56

doesn't happen for me until college.

1:10:59

And even in college, it's still like,

1:11:02

come look at my computer, look at this funny thing

1:11:05

I found on eBounds World. We're

1:11:07

still not like messaging them to each other or emailing

1:11:09

them to each other yet or anything like that. But

1:11:13

when we were young, it would be like someone would be doing

1:11:15

a bit and it'd be like, I hope

1:11:17

in like the next two years, I finally

1:11:19

rent Police Academy 3. You know

1:11:21

what I mean? Like, and now, but like, but

1:11:23

by the time in college, one

1:11:26

of the biggest viral things

1:11:29

that broke my brain, I

1:11:31

found them senior year of college where those Fence-ler

1:11:34

films like G.I. Joe, those

1:11:38

re-edit, the redubs of the

1:11:40

G.I. Joe PSAs. I

1:11:43

was at like a bachelor party with

1:11:45

a bunch of foreigners and some

1:11:48

people older than me and I'm like, have

1:11:50

you guys ever watched the G? And they were like, what are you talking?

1:11:52

I'm like, can't believe I'm 41. I'm

1:11:55

here with people in ranges 35 to 50. I'm

1:12:00

going to play videos

1:12:02

on YouTube and we sat transfixed. We watched

1:12:04

like, there's a YouTube supercut of them. We watched

1:12:06

it for like 28 minutes, which

1:12:09

is like 40 sketches. Yeah, which

1:12:11

is also six hours of getting

1:12:13

random people's attention for a YouTube

1:12:15

video. Yeah. You know what I

1:12:17

mean? Like that means it was

1:12:19

crushing. Yeah, right. Exactly. Yeah. And

1:12:21

with the graded on the curve.

1:12:24

Is there any better feeling than

1:12:26

showing somebody a YouTube video and

1:12:28

them being genuinely so fucking into

1:12:30

it? Dude, it

1:12:34

feels so fucking good, man. Like it's

1:12:36

so fun. It's just below doing something

1:12:38

that someone really like. You know what

1:12:40

I mean? Yeah. Like

1:12:43

I love nothing more than to give a recommendation

1:12:45

to someone and for them to like really love

1:12:47

it. That feels so good. I'm like, oh, see

1:12:49

that movie meant a lot to me too. I'm

1:12:51

glad it enriched your life or whatever. And

1:12:54

like doing that for someone, someone's like, oh, you're, I

1:12:56

listen to your podcast when I'm down, it feels great.

1:12:58

You're like, oh, that feels so good. But just every

1:13:00

once in a while, just throwing something on and being

1:13:02

like, look at this guy get hit

1:13:04

in the nuts. This made me laugh. Someone watches it

1:13:06

and laughs. You're like, yeah, we're all fucking best

1:13:09

friends. Right? Like life is fun. And like,

1:13:11

yeah, instantly joins you in like a way.

1:13:13

You know, it's a weird. Laughing

1:13:17

together at something is super powerful.

1:13:19

It's super powerful. And it feels

1:13:21

very good when it's. Well, it

1:13:24

is that love and hate is what can drop.

1:13:26

I have a like, I have a theory that

1:13:28

like one of the quickest bonds you can make

1:13:30

with a human being is

1:13:33

either like a bit that

1:13:35

you are doing, like a quick riff that you're both

1:13:37

on the same page on or

1:13:39

after the same power is

1:13:42

learning that you and a coworker hate the same

1:13:44

boss. Those are two of

1:13:46

the strong and

1:13:49

especially in that in a power dynamic way where

1:13:51

it's not mean that you're like, yeah, we

1:13:53

both hate the male guy. Like that's like, yeah,

1:13:55

it doesn't have to be me. But nothing

1:13:58

is better than finding out. Like someone

1:14:00

who you think is like super sweet and

1:14:02

corny hates the same person Yeah, yeah, yeah

1:14:05

Like I always say like Stephanie from HR

1:14:07

has a dark side Yes, yes, they're like,

1:14:09

oh, I thought we would never get along

1:14:11

Now you and I are gonna be

1:14:13

friends forever It rules Learning

1:14:15

that you could talk shit about

1:14:18

a certain person with somebody is

1:14:20

so healing That's an instant fucking

1:14:22

bond That's an instant fucking bond

1:14:24

Also being stuck waiting

1:14:26

in the same place

1:14:30

As a weird bond where it's like, yeah, I

1:14:32

don't know where the fucking guy is Like all

1:14:34

of a sudden it's like just being like bone

1:14:36

like yeah Like just today

1:14:38

cops were arresting someone or investigating someone in

1:14:40

the building next to me And two cop

1:14:43

cars had blocked our

1:14:45

driveway, but they were unmarked cop cars

1:14:47

So they were just too rich and I'm like what

1:14:49

the fuck and like and then to another neighbor of

1:14:52

mine pulls up And then this is

1:14:54

especially true in like in neighborhoods Especially neighborhoods

1:14:56

with apartments because we're more likely to be

1:14:58

talking to you all Son

1:15:00

there's like seven people in the street going

1:15:02

these fucking cops will park wherever they

1:15:04

like All

1:15:06

people who aren't even being currently affected by it

1:15:08

We're all like are we pitching about something that

1:15:10

is like a higher power than us? So it's

1:15:13

okay to jump and ever are we all getting

1:15:15

together to punch up? Let's go and Suddenly

1:15:20

everybody's a cabin Like you know the police they

1:15:23

one time shut our lights off and then Everyone

1:15:28

starts having a little story. Yeah, and it's like rules.

1:15:30

Yeah, it's like or or like with neighborhood drama It's

1:15:35

like this specific apartment, you know in January

1:15:40

They had some issues with the police and you're like,

1:15:43

no, I didn't know old lady neighbor that I avoid

1:15:45

because your dog scares me Tell me more my neighborhood

1:15:47

drama is so heated right now And

1:15:51

it's just I lived

1:15:53

in my building in North Hollywood had like

1:15:55

200 units and almost no drama And this

1:15:58

building is so beautiful as

1:16:00

four units and so much drama. Dude, that's part

1:16:02

of it though. Because everyone knows each other. Exactly,

1:16:04

when you get to 200 units, you can like

1:16:07

blend into animinity. Dude, if I could say that

1:16:09

word to him. I would be

1:16:11

in my old building, I would just be

1:16:13

in the elevator with like Chechnyan dudes with

1:16:16

ankle monitors, like that's who was in there.

1:16:19

It was all like safe houses. Everybody

1:16:21

was like laying low. Everyone

1:16:26

did a heist like two weeks ago.

1:16:29

Strength that number a little bit, especially in

1:16:31

LA. People be

1:16:33

nosy here. I mean, probably because like 75%

1:16:35

of people came here to

1:16:37

work in entertainment and still do

1:16:39

or trickle down to something else,

1:16:42

but still have that energy. A

1:16:44

lot of ex-theater kids live in

1:16:46

here. And you

1:16:48

fucking get down below, you

1:16:50

said 200 units, you get down to

1:16:52

like, we have like 10 units and the

1:16:55

building across from us has 12 units and we share

1:16:57

a driveway. We are all

1:16:59

in each other's business. Everybody knows

1:17:02

everything about everyone. And

1:17:04

like, I am like a boundaries guy, even though I'm

1:17:06

like a fucking open book and I'll talk to anybody.

1:17:09

But your house is different. Your living space is different.

1:17:11

Exactly, I wanna be able to get, if I wanna

1:17:13

leave, like, and my wife and I fight about this

1:17:15

all the time, I'm like, if I wanna leave my

1:17:17

house and get in my car, I don't wanna, like

1:17:20

you're like, shit, I can't go outside right now.

1:17:22

I don't wanna get stuck talking to so and

1:17:24

so. And I'm like, see, I never, I never

1:17:26

crossed that. And it's like, I feel really bad.

1:17:28

Someone so broke up with his girlfriend. I'm like,

1:17:30

I don't know who he is, no less who

1:17:32

his girlfriend is. I'm gone. You

1:17:34

mustn't get invested in any of that.

1:17:36

Exactly. You have to dawn draper through

1:17:39

this part. Right, right. Wait,

1:17:42

so you're in a four unit building

1:17:44

now? So we have this one lady

1:17:46

next door. She's all the drama comes

1:17:48

from her. And she's

1:17:50

like uber religious, like

1:17:53

to the point where like you can hear

1:17:55

her like doing like, like tongues in her

1:17:57

house, like in her unit or like blaring.

1:18:00

like Christian music at like seven in

1:18:02

the morning. And her son,

1:18:04

I think produces Christian music like in her

1:18:06

apartment sometimes, it's a nightmare. And

1:18:10

so one time she has an above

1:18:12

the top floor unit. And so

1:18:14

the people below her who are my friends, they

1:18:16

were fucking as you do, making

1:18:21

the sweet love making. And

1:18:24

she- Producing a non-Christian album is what

1:18:26

we do. Very good. Very

1:18:28

good, John. And

1:18:33

so she, I guess they

1:18:36

had each other's numbers. So she texts them and

1:18:38

is like, hey, could you keep it down? Could

1:18:42

you keep down your non-Christian album? And

1:18:49

this escalated because they were

1:18:51

basically like, no, it's like a

1:18:54

huge invasion of our

1:18:56

privacy. Yeah, you're not, that's a- I'm like, do

1:18:58

this. That's kind of

1:19:00

part of apartment living is you gotta hear people

1:19:02

fuck. Brief aside, I

1:19:05

talked about this recently. We

1:19:07

all know for the ground floor apartment

1:19:09

people in these, you can see into

1:19:11

our apartment, but do not, you

1:19:14

do not, we pretend you can't.

1:19:17

You do not say, ever talk through the window

1:19:19

to me. No. Because no,

1:19:21

because you do not see me. Because I have no way- This

1:19:23

isn't a wedding drive-through. I have to

1:19:26

believe, we have to keep up the suspension of this

1:19:28

belief that you cannot see me for when I need

1:19:31

to get a fucking baby wipe while I'm

1:19:33

fully naked or whatever, okay? And

1:19:37

apartment people, that's the apartment

1:19:39

rules. If you hear someone fucking super loud

1:19:43

for like a month in a row and you cannot sleep,

1:19:46

you fucking can casually say, you

1:19:48

cannot say. Also, hear

1:19:51

your neighbors fuck rules. That's like a positive of

1:19:53

living in a park. You

1:19:55

cannot do it. There's easy ways to like put

1:19:57

on your own Christian music and don't hear shit.

1:20:00

This couple is like a hot bro couple like it rule

1:20:02

like they kick out Ugly

1:20:07

people fucking sounds beautiful as well, but hot

1:20:09

people fucking helps with the imagine. Yeah, so

1:20:12

so It

1:20:15

got to the point where she went to their

1:20:17

bedroom window Oh They

1:20:19

have a their bedroom windows like in

1:20:22

an alley that we could like is

1:20:24

Super Christian lady going to the gay

1:20:26

couple whose fucking windows you were we're

1:20:28

getting to fucking like Alabama territory here

1:20:30

like get and and

1:20:32

and she she spray

1:20:35

paints across under On

1:20:38

the building Oh No,

1:20:42

and so now one of them has

1:20:44

painted like a on

1:20:46

a big canvas It's it's

1:20:48

just like the devil giving middle fingers and

1:20:51

it says fuck you and they like hung

1:20:53

that in the window Fucking

1:20:59

rolls that neighbor also has a

1:21:02

welcome mat that says come back with a warrant

1:21:04

and I'm like hell yeah Yeah,

1:21:08

I think you're building rules that that's all

1:21:10

I kick that All right

1:21:15

before we get out here one last parting question, do

1:21:17

you maintain your bona fides as a

1:21:20

comedy nerd now I Find

1:21:23

trouble with that because I'm still a

1:21:25

big consumer of comedy and it makes me fans

1:21:27

of a lot of stuff And

1:21:29

I always get mad at my friends who are like I

1:21:32

don't watch any comedy shows I'm like

1:21:34

what your comedy writer you write comedy

1:21:36

shows. It's like yeah, but I'll have it in me

1:21:39

But I do feel like I'm like I can't

1:21:42

I'm watching too much of this I should be

1:21:44

doing I'm consuming too much content I should be

1:21:46

making some in some capacity. Where where

1:21:48

do you fall on that going forward?

1:21:51

I definitely don't I don't really watch

1:21:53

stand-up anymore and I

1:21:55

try not to watch stand-up Mostly

1:21:58

because I don't want to lift things I

1:22:00

don't want to like yeah, you don't want some idea to be

1:22:02

like buried in your head and be like, yeah Oh

1:22:04

shit. Is that from blank? Yeah,

1:22:06

exactly like and so I

1:22:08

think like But

1:22:11

I do I do watch a lot of like Shows

1:22:14

still because I think that's like really

1:22:16

important and I watch a lot of

1:22:18

video essays on YouTube Oh

1:22:20

cool, like which is like that's also

1:22:23

kind of a meat like and we'll talk about

1:22:25

this in plugs more But that's kind of a

1:22:27

medium medium you do as well. Yeah. Yeah, and

1:22:29

it's What I like about is

1:22:31

it's I've watched her. Oh yours Well,

1:22:37

it's cool cuz it's to me it's a it's

1:22:39

a medium where you get to I love documentaries

1:22:42

I'm obsessed documentaries. I watch them all the fucking

1:22:44

time, bro I was about to make a great

1:22:46

host callback of just saying like well you started

1:22:48

with a love of documentaries now video essays are

1:22:51

sort Of like an in-between of

1:22:53

like of and that's what I love is you can

1:22:55

make them funny If you make

1:22:57

a documentary humorous and lean

1:22:59

into it being a little bit more entertaining than

1:23:02

informative Maybe right, you know what? I mean Like

1:23:04

that's always the split for me is like how

1:23:06

how straight do I want to take this and

1:23:08

just be informative? Or do I

1:23:10

want to try to like inject humor into it?

1:23:12

Which is risky because some people will be like

1:23:14

I just want you to have

1:23:16

the Wikipedia article set to cool music or

1:23:19

whatever Like yeah, but I like some topics

1:23:21

you're like, ooh, how do I do comedy?

1:23:23

Yeah That's

1:23:25

that's the other thing more and more every

1:23:27

fucking day in America And

1:23:30

it's you know, it's tough, but I think like

1:23:33

Yeah, I try to I try to watch

1:23:35

things that Excite me

1:23:37

and a big thing that I've let

1:23:39

myself do Only really

1:23:42

recently is tap out on

1:23:44

things that I don't like early and

1:23:46

just admit to myself I don't

1:23:48

like this thing. Whoa, I Mean

1:23:51

like for the first time there's like Marvel stuff

1:23:53

where I'm like, I'm a huge Marvel guy There's

1:23:55

like first time oh there's Marvel stuff. I'm like,

1:23:57

I think I'm good on this. Yeah, I think

1:23:59

for love and Thunder was like the last one

1:24:01

I saw on the theater.

1:24:03

Like, and I wasn't even, every

1:24:06

other one I saw opening night or like the night,

1:24:08

and now I just like, I have

1:24:10

like such fatigue for all that,

1:24:12

but I'm still going to movies on opening night.

1:24:14

But on that flip side, I tore through that

1:24:17

Gen V that needs the boys

1:24:19

stuff. And I was bored of the boys this last season.

1:24:21

I didn't like this last season. Oh really? I thought season

1:24:23

three was so good. I thought it was really good too,

1:24:25

but it got really repetitive and I also- It starts to

1:24:27

get to a point, it's like, okay, well are you going

1:24:29

to kill Homelander or are you not going to get, like

1:24:31

we got to do something here. Also, I

1:24:34

don't want to throw out spoilers for season three

1:24:36

of boys. So if you're listening and haven't watched

1:24:38

it, skip ahead like a

1:24:40

minute. But the fact that like they

1:24:43

didn't kill Maeve annoyed me and they

1:24:45

didn't have to kill her, but the

1:24:47

fucking, we need some stakes in

1:24:49

this show. It's like just keeps resetting all

1:24:52

the way to default. It's like, well, Homelander's

1:24:54

back completely in power and the seven have

1:24:56

to figure out what they're going to do

1:24:58

about them again. Totally, totally. It's boring, yeah,

1:25:00

yeah. But it surprised me, that

1:25:03

being said, that's what made me jump back when I was like,

1:25:05

oh, I'll give Gen V a chance. And

1:25:07

I fucking was like, this kind of rules. And

1:25:09

I just fucking felt like- And it felt like it had

1:25:11

really great stakes who's like, all these people, all these characters

1:25:13

could die, who gives a shit?

1:25:15

Right, I don't even know who's supposed to

1:25:17

be the leads. Right, right. Spoiler for Gen

1:25:20

V when fucking the Gurgon, I forget what

1:25:22

the actor's name is, voice of the guy

1:25:24

from SpongeBob, when he fucking dies early on,

1:25:26

you're like, oh shit, okay, they're killing the

1:25:29

fucking Dean. All right, I think there's gonna

1:25:31

be a main guy this whole time. And

1:25:33

that gives you good stakes because you don't know the

1:25:35

fucking show. Yeah, no,

1:25:38

I think that like, yeah, I

1:25:40

think like just trying to stay

1:25:43

with stuff that excites me because it's so easy-

1:25:47

Any comedy that excites you now that you watch?

1:25:51

Well, like I said, documentary now definitely

1:25:54

is, I've been diving

1:25:56

back into always

1:26:00

sunny just recently. I've been showing it to my

1:26:02

wife and who never watched

1:26:04

it. And it's like, it holds up so

1:26:06

much of it holds up so fucking good.

1:26:09

It's just so tightly written and performed. What's

1:26:12

crazy is like eight years ago, I watched

1:26:15

12 seasons and I was like, or you

1:26:17

know, watch some insane amount, maybe 10 seasons.

1:26:20

And I was like, okay, I'll

1:26:22

take a little break and switch to another show, but I'll come

1:26:24

back and just the

1:26:26

show still hasn't ended. Oh, shit. Okay. I

1:26:29

guess I got to watch like 10 more seasons.

1:26:32

Always studies like comedy one piece. You're like,

1:26:34

is there a thousand episodes of this? I'm

1:26:37

so high. I'm trying to explain it. So

1:26:39

I watched so much. I didn't even catch

1:26:41

up to contemporary then. And I'm like, okay,

1:26:43

I'll let this show run as course, then

1:26:45

I'll finish it. And I was like, that

1:26:48

was over. Like that was like a decade ago.

1:26:50

And I'm like, fuck, I'm still not done. These

1:26:52

guys are, these people are fucking crushing it. Yeah,

1:26:55

son. That's a good idea for I just had

1:26:57

an idea for rewatch, but I don't think it

1:26:59

was comedy. Oh, I want to rewatch the two

1:27:01

detectives. I just rewatched all Mindhunter. And

1:27:03

that was really enjoyable. But I want to

1:27:05

rewatch some comedies that I love. You

1:27:07

know, you know what my Oh, here, I'll

1:27:10

say that like, here's one more question for you. What's

1:27:12

your like most basic like

1:27:14

anti comedy nerd tastes?

1:27:17

Like for me, I would say one of

1:27:19

my things is I watched every single episode

1:27:21

of modern family. I

1:27:24

like every way, like not, I

1:27:27

binged it for like five seasons. And then

1:27:29

I watched it like every Thursday forever. Is

1:27:31

it is it in

1:27:33

the right vein to say elf? Is

1:27:36

elf basic? Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't

1:27:38

know. I would call it basic. And I

1:27:40

wouldn't even call modern family basic. But yeah,

1:27:43

I mean, they're anti like comedy nerd. If

1:27:45

you're trying to get they're not nerdy. Right.

1:27:47

If you're trying to get like

1:27:50

nerd kudos from someone you wouldn't be like, if

1:27:52

you're trying to ever see this elf. That

1:27:56

shit is a fucking bad. I mean, step

1:27:58

step brothers to like Like, Step

1:28:00

Brothers, I mean, all those- Step Brothers is the

1:28:02

best comedy I've ever seen in my entire- That

1:28:05

movie changed my life and it came out when

1:28:07

I was old. It is life changing. Yeah, it

1:28:09

is a life changing movie for sure. All those

1:28:11

movies are so fucking cool. Old school, like- I

1:28:14

loved all the Feral McKay collabs.

1:28:17

That meant so much to me. Seeing Anchorman

1:28:19

in the movies, when they have the

1:28:21

big reporter fight, I laughed so hard I

1:28:23

had to squeeze my dick and piss still was

1:28:25

squirting out into my pants. It was- And

1:28:28

I was not- Anchorman was life changing. I was 18 when

1:28:30

that movie came out. I was not a kid. Yeah. Like,

1:28:33

the first- one of

1:28:35

the first parties I

1:28:37

ever met a girl and made

1:28:39

out with her that night was

1:28:42

I was wearing this Anchorman shirt and

1:28:44

she was like, that shit fucking rules.

1:28:46

That was the first thing she said to me

1:28:48

and I was just like- and I think I

1:28:50

quoted Anchorman at her eight times and it somehow

1:28:53

still worked. Oh wow. The

1:28:55

positive reinforcement on top is- Right. It's

1:28:57

a good help to help your- Anchorman

1:28:59

2 was a movie that I remember

1:29:01

being my friend saw because we loved

1:29:03

the first Anchorman so much and I

1:29:05

think that movie came out when I

1:29:07

was probably in college, Anchorman 2. And

1:29:11

I remember there was like- we

1:29:14

saw it I think a few weeks

1:29:16

after it was already out so there

1:29:18

was nobody in our showing and they

1:29:20

do the fight scene bit again but

1:29:22

they just keep- they keep it going

1:29:24

for a really, really long time. And

1:29:27

then weirdly the whole movie is like thrown away in

1:29:29

the third act and they're like we have to make

1:29:31

it to a recital. And I

1:29:33

remember when they did that I just

1:29:35

started laughing so fucking hard. And

1:29:39

when Step Brothers- that fucking broke my mind open

1:29:41

when I saw that in the theater. That fucking

1:29:43

killed me. I was like this is like- this

1:29:45

is what everything should be. This is just

1:29:47

what comedy should be. Yeah, I think maybe

1:29:49

that's one of my most like guilty pleasure

1:29:51

things is like Step Brothers where it's like-

1:29:54

or like- because I

1:29:56

feel like there's a kind of guy that like loves Step

1:29:58

Brothers, loves Rick and Morty. My

1:30:02

friend Richard lives with this dude Dan.

1:30:04

He's also a comic and

1:30:06

he's like he's just like a big like

1:30:08

ex-ASU lineman. He loves like Rick and Morty

1:30:10

and like all the you know what I mean?

1:30:13

Like all those at McKay fucking feral

1:30:15

stuff Like all

1:30:17

the shit that like you wouldn't want to be

1:30:20

quoting all the time, but like That's

1:30:23

why I kill at bachelor parties because

1:30:25

I go to your bachelor party and I

1:30:28

can make anyone laugh I'm funny, but also

1:30:30

your friend from home who likes comedy movies

1:30:32

like I got that. I'm that guy, too

1:30:34

Don't worry. I just tell my own material

1:30:36

on stage. So I have delivery skills now

1:30:38

I'm gonna add that to doing Eddie Murphy

1:30:41

jokes You got it right when you have

1:30:43

to be alone with a with a with

1:30:45

another adult man and you're like flipping through

1:30:47

your roll Decks you're like, okay, so let's

1:30:49

try out a sports joke. All right How

1:30:52

about a Steve Martin reference? Oh, we kind

1:30:54

of like that Yourself

1:30:57

profiling you're like, yeah, this guy

1:30:59

doesn't like sports. Wait,

1:31:02

why am I saying that am I racist? Kyle

1:31:07

thank you so much for talking to me man.

1:31:09

This is got to talk to the

1:31:11

night owl This is one of my later recordings, but

1:31:13

that's what happens when you get to talk to a

1:31:15

night owl Yeah, I said this is so fucking cool.

1:31:17

And this is such a This

1:31:20

is such a cool thing to do because like

1:31:22

I said, I just you know I love I

1:31:24

love John Gabris and I love high and mighty

1:31:26

and I'm thanks man long time first time. Yeah

1:31:31

Call in ever like My

1:31:33

whack packer we gotta go Well,

1:31:36

I we we met when you

1:31:38

asked me to do that kids in the yard show

1:31:41

Which was one of my favorite comedy experiences I had

1:31:43

I was like it was a little

1:31:45

while ago I was not that I

1:31:47

was still kind of new to LA still Pretty

1:31:50

new to stand up and you were like I'm a fan

1:31:52

you should come do like she didn't come headline this show

1:31:54

It's the vibes are right smoking weed. Everyone's hanging out and

1:31:56

I'm like Okay. Yeah. Thanks, man.

1:31:58

No one wants me to to be a headline and I

1:32:01

went there and I'm like, whoa, can you headline doing stand

1:32:03

up? Can you do that? And I'm like, got me kicking

1:32:05

in that direction. And then it was a fucking

1:32:07

wonderful show. So I just wanted to

1:32:09

repay the, like, compliments you back. That

1:32:11

was such a fucking good time, man.

1:32:14

And I felt like an old man in a way

1:32:16

that made me happy. I was like,

1:32:18

I saw so many funny people and now like, I'm,

1:32:21

Punky Johnson writes for SNL like all these

1:32:23

like super funny young people. And I'm like,

1:32:26

Oh, I feel like I got invited to

1:32:28

something cool for the first time. And also

1:32:30

like we had so many cool headliners like

1:32:32

Punky would come through Megan Stalter, you know,

1:32:34

we had like, so for people that don't

1:32:36

know, I ran this show for a few

1:32:38

years in LA and it was a backyard

1:32:40

comedy show called Kids in the Yard. And

1:32:42

we would have my co-producer Justin James. He's

1:32:45

like a great comedian, but he's also like

1:32:47

a, like a food

1:32:49

network chef. And so

1:32:51

he would make these like insane dishes and

1:32:54

we would bring up each comedian by like

1:32:56

chanting their name, like they were doing a

1:32:58

keg stand. And like

1:33:00

we encourage everyone to like drink and we would make

1:33:02

jungle juice that was like insanely strong and like $3

1:33:04

a cup. And

1:33:07

it would just be a rowdy night. Yeah. You

1:33:10

were like, you sold me on it. It was like,

1:33:12

it's party vibes. It was a yard party. It really

1:33:14

was that. And people were there to see comedy too.

1:33:16

It was awesome. Met Josh Sherrer that night, former guest

1:33:18

of the podcast too from Mythic Kitchen. Oh

1:33:21

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just

1:33:24

a wild fucking experience. But let's get enough

1:33:26

plugging shit that you're not doing anymore. Plugging

1:33:28

shit that you are doing now. Because I

1:33:30

can guess your head up too about your

1:33:32

video essays that, Kristalia essay was a, it

1:33:34

was some hard hit. Thank you. That was

1:33:36

good. Yeah. If you guys

1:33:38

haven't, haven't seen them, I have

1:33:40

a YouTube channel, Kyle Anderson Comedy.

1:33:42

I do these like insane deep

1:33:44

dive video essay documentaries

1:33:46

about weird topics. My

1:33:49

Kristalia one is well known in the comedy

1:33:51

community, but more recently I did one where

1:33:53

I went undercover working for the

1:33:55

Chinese government, making propaganda. You're

1:33:59

fucking not. I love it, dude. I love it.

1:34:01

When you get fucking black bag, you'll be the

1:34:03

first guest to hire my that's been black bagged.

1:34:05

Yeah Yeah, but you'll have me on for another

1:34:07

episode and I have to do it through like

1:34:09

blink Yes,

1:34:12

this is not Kyle Anderson I'm

1:34:16

like clearly an AI reproduction Somehow

1:34:22

I risk better though Bring

1:34:25

me bring the AI guy But

1:34:27

I did another one that was really fun that

1:34:30

I really like called about

1:34:32

this film series called Dow Which

1:34:34

was like a Russian a series of

1:34:36

Russian movies made by this this Russian

1:34:39

filmmaker that got this

1:34:42

Russian oligarch to give him like

1:34:44

a limitless budget and he

1:34:47

for seven years filmed people

1:34:49

that lived completely as like

1:34:51

character like a Method

1:34:53

acting and they method acted for seven

1:34:55

years and he filmed all of them because he

1:34:57

started just wanting to make a film about This

1:35:00

physicist, but he was like well to really make

1:35:02

this film and really make it authentic I

1:35:04

have to make the people who live in the cafeteria

1:35:06

where he works. I have to make the janitors I

1:35:08

have to make all these people so then they all

1:35:10

needed backstories. So then he was like, well those should

1:35:13

all be movies, too Yeah,

1:35:18

and it cuz it's sort of it's sort of

1:35:20

this interesting thing of like he said everything's real

1:35:23

In it where nothing is there's no scripts nothing

1:35:25

staged He's just simply

1:35:27

directing the cameras where to capture everything

1:35:29

but everything is happening of the people's

1:35:31

free will Right, like they're

1:35:33

all acting in this but there's also scenes where

1:35:35

like a woman gets sexually assaulted So

1:35:38

it's like okay. Well is that and then he's like well that was

1:35:40

fake and it's like, okay well, and

1:35:42

then there's there's a scene where they like do like

1:35:45

experiments like torture experiments on

1:35:47

babies and they used like

1:35:49

Ukrainian orphans Who are like probably

1:35:52

probably the people who you could do the most

1:35:54

fucked up shit to on the planet without repercussion

1:35:57

Unfortunately is a Ukrainian orphan And

1:36:00

they're like, don't worry, we trade the Ukrainian

1:36:02

orphans really, really good. And it's like, did

1:36:04

you? So

1:36:08

it's very opaque, like

1:36:10

weird, like performance art

1:36:13

thing that grew to this like avant-garde

1:36:17

media production. And it

1:36:19

happened for seven years and the films have

1:36:21

just started coming out since like 2021. And

1:36:25

like I said, it's like an MCU about

1:36:27

this like theoretical

1:36:30

Russian physicist. That's

1:36:32

interesting. I'll check that, I'll check out not the entire

1:36:35

series. I'll check out. Yeah.

1:36:39

But those are really cool. I also, I do a

1:36:41

podcast with my buddy's Richard Humphrey,

1:36:43

who I think you know. Oh yeah, I know

1:36:45

Humphrey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And

1:36:47

my buddy's Spike Kitrell. And

1:36:50

we do a podcast called Development

1:36:52

Hell where we deep dive into

1:36:55

the development hell behind different movies

1:36:57

or albums or TV shows. Oh

1:36:59

cool, behind the scenes, horror stories of it coming together. Behind

1:37:01

the scenes horror stories of all kinds of different stuff. Oh,

1:37:04

it's rad, it's fun to watch. If you like movie

1:37:07

stuff, which you probably do, if you're an action

1:37:09

boys listener or whatever, check out Development

1:37:11

Hell. We're one of seven

1:37:13

podcasts with that fucking name. So good

1:37:15

luck finding out. This

1:37:18

is all of them truly. Get out there. Yeah, really,

1:37:20

really poker out. There's one that- If you like one

1:37:23

of them more than ours, you're allowed to just keep

1:37:25

listening. When we started, we were the first one and

1:37:27

then within a month, like three others had

1:37:29

started with the same name. And

1:37:32

one of them is about like web developing. I'm

1:37:34

like, okay, whatever. That's

1:37:37

wack. I mean, that's a witty name, but come

1:37:39

on. Kyle

1:37:42

Anderson Comedy on YouTube. Check that

1:37:45

shit out. Check out the podcast,

1:37:47

Development Hell. Check out actionboys.biz or

1:37:50

101 places to party before you

1:37:52

die. Thank you so much

1:37:54

for coming on, Kai Kai. That's a

1:37:56

nickname I'm accidentally keep saying. Kai Kai

1:37:58

and John John. Ok

1:38:01

bye bye shithead Hey

1:38:07

matey Hi

1:38:11

matey I

1:38:16

appreciate what you're doing with me Hello

1:38:21

everyone, we are R2R2 Holy

1:38:24

shit, holy shit guys I'm so pumped I

1:38:27

definitely have not watched this since I've rendered it on

1:38:29

VHS in 92 Rangers united

1:38:31

by the threat of death We got all

1:38:33

the fucking major players, Seagal Vladimir Putin is

1:38:35

a good man Arnold, come give it to

1:38:37

me, I need you to cream pie me

1:38:39

now Stallone I'm full of love in this

1:38:41

movie Yeah I see, it's got a lot

1:38:43

of heart You're mentally

1:38:46

irregular Now,

1:38:48

somewhere, somehow He body blow, body

1:38:50

blow, body blow Someone's gonna pay

1:38:53

I would fucking love for my wife to like see

1:38:55

me rip a guy's throat out He's

1:38:58

come to us once and a half This movie's

1:39:00

fucking insane It's a good movie,

1:39:02

you have to do almost all the work yourself

1:39:04

to figure it out There's a fantasy component, there's

1:39:06

some sword fighting, there's some lightning You

1:39:15

wake up after a few years and you don't

1:39:18

even know who you are anymore We're gonna be

1:39:20

making Terminator's We're gonna make a really great deal

1:39:22

with his uni-mote I don't hate

1:39:24

him, but I'll be there real quick Yes

1:39:26

I understand This is now the 20th ending

1:39:28

of the movie I am darned you're bad

1:39:33

Action Boys Boys,

1:39:36

will be boys