0:00

I'd rather have a snowbo

0:03

then no bow. We

0:06

saw snowmance so you know what that means

0:30

Great to game, the street body,

0:32

hopes to blow off steam. Just to suck

0:34

or punch the odd life certificate. Great shot,

0:37

miss! This is Burdemic, how you standin' alive?

0:39

They call me when you're badass and he's

0:41

on the line. Crank the Navy,

0:43

make livers cause they cool as ice, cause

0:45

they're bad Jim Barney looking kinda nice. Paul

0:48

and Joe get in little, Jason is gettin' laid.

0:50

Jonas make a show out of monkey shots in

0:52

the pain. They're just a bunch of movies, why

0:54

they makin' the grade? Here's a real question for

0:57

you, how did this get paid? Hello

1:07

people of Earth, hello

1:09

people of Twin Cities, and

1:12

hello people from around the

1:14

world. Welcome to

1:16

How Did This Get Made, a virtual

1:19

live show. I am

1:21

tall John Shear and

1:23

we have a movie here for you

1:25

that really is an

1:28

interesting one. I didn't think that we would do

1:30

another movie about a snowman coming to life, but

1:32

here we are. Here we are

1:34

once again, reminiscent of Jack Frost, this one's a

1:36

little bit different. For 20

1:39

years, a girl

1:41

creates her perfect,

1:44

perfect man out of snow

1:46

for a handful of days, and

1:49

then longs for him

1:51

all year long until one year

1:53

it becomes true, but she doesn't know

1:55

that. Actually no one knows that, I have

1:57

a lot of questions about this whole fucking-

2:00

and snowman story. Anyway,

2:02

that is the premise, that is the plot of

2:04

snowman. You don't need to know more than that,

2:07

but you do need to know that there's another

2:09

man in the story. That man is her best

2:11

friend who is in love

2:13

with her and she doesn't know it. She doesn't know that

2:15

there's love right in front of her face and that's the

2:17

story. Really, love,

2:20

romance, what's better? Is

2:22

there a difference? This movie seems to posit

2:24

that there is. All right, well here to

2:26

discuss this film is

2:30

Jason Manczukas. Please welcome Jason Manczukas. Yes!

2:36

What's up jerks? Here we go! Oh, snowman.

2:38

Jason, I know that you love a rom-com.

2:41

Snowman is better than no man's, Paul. I

2:43

know. Well, that's what I was saying. I

2:45

brought it back to the beginning. I said

2:47

I'd rather have a snowbo than no bo,

2:49

but we are in our second snowman

2:54

who's come to life film and

2:56

there's so much to talk to. And

2:58

not only that, the third inanimate

3:01

object that comes to life Christmas movie

3:03

because the Nutcracker one from, wasn't that

3:05

last year or was that two years

3:07

ago? That was last year, yeah. Where

3:09

the Nutcracker comes to life. So we

3:11

are unbeknownst to me. We

3:13

exist in a world in

3:16

which there is a common

3:18

fantasy that an inanimate Christmas

3:20

object will come to life

3:23

and be your dream man? Is

3:25

that like, that's like a series.

3:28

It's a pattern. It's sad

3:31

to me to think that we

3:33

have come so far in humanity that we believe

3:35

an inanimate object will give us more joy than

3:37

a human being that we live. Does he have

3:40

a dick? That's what I want to know! I

3:42

still have a dick. Does he have a dick?

3:44

Well, let's get into it. I don't want to

3:46

go down any rabbit hole too far, but for

3:48

the rest of the show, I want you to

3:50

know that you can call me quaint Paul because

3:54

I am just like her dad. Quaint Paul's furniture. Saint

3:57

Paul, quaint Paul. And you know what? A person's

3:59

video is on the screen. been calling me quaint Paul for a

4:01

very long time. Please look at my other co-host

4:03

June Diane Rachel. Welcome June. Oh

4:06

my word. Oh my goodness gracious.

4:08

Oh me oh my. Now

4:10

listen Paul Jason, I'm so happy to

4:12

see you both. Sometimes I come to

4:14

this podcast, begrudgingly,

4:18

you know, I've had to watch this

4:20

whole movie. So much has upset me. Tonight

4:24

for this live show, I couldn't

4:26

be happier. Oh, so

4:28

happy to hear that. I couldn't

4:30

be more ready to

4:33

get into this. I loved every second

4:35

of it. I have notes. This

4:37

is maybe the most notes I've ever taken on a

4:39

movie. Me too. Same. I

4:42

took so many notes Paul. I took so

4:44

many notes that I was worried about the

4:46

audio in terms of having to

4:48

like flip pages. So I have them

4:50

all laid out in like all these

4:53

legal pages over the desk because

4:55

there's, there are just, there's so

4:57

much to say. All right, well,

5:00

let's get into it. This movie opens up

5:02

with an image that I think is

5:04

very disturbing, which is a young

5:07

girl makes a snowman and is

5:09

about to like start making out

5:11

with it. What's disturbing? She,

5:16

you didn't go. You're saying you didn't practice

5:18

making out with like objects

5:20

that you would create in the wild outside in

5:22

the world. A cold,

5:25

like the ball of snow, like to

5:27

put her tongue into, cause

5:29

she looked like she was going to give a tongue kiss to it. She

5:32

was really going in. Here's what I'm going to say. Yeah.

5:35

Here's what I'm going to say. Controversial statement.

5:37

I'm coming in hot. That is

5:39

the most romantic kiss of the movie.

5:43

Well, I said to Paul at one point.

5:45

The most chemistry between any couple is between

5:47

that little girl and that you know what,

5:49

you know what? You might be right because I

5:51

said to Paul at one point, I'm

5:54

like, have, have these two Sarah

5:57

and like current snow snowman.

6:00

Have they fucked? Like, has anything,

6:02

have they kissed? Has anything happened

6:04

between these two people? Well,

6:09

once again, these movies reveal

6:11

themselves to be so

6:13

chaste and so de-sexualized

6:16

as to live

6:19

the world in which... And yet also perverted. Oh,

6:22

hugely perverted. Deeply perverted. And

6:25

deeply, like, here's the thing.

6:28

I would understand. I

6:30

would understand it if this movie, if

6:32

the people in this movie, Sarah, Nick,

6:34

I guess Cole, but Sarah and Nick

6:36

primarily, were like in their early 20s.

6:38

No, it's way

6:40

fatter. And

6:42

they are acting like children. These

6:45

are adults. I mean,

6:47

I just... I

6:49

want to get into, like, the mythology of the

6:51

snowman, but I do, just for the audience here,

6:53

just showing this opening... Just a tea report. Just

6:56

a tea report. Just a tea report. Oh, oh,

6:58

look at that. A Moroccan mint, guys. A Moroccan

7:00

mint. I'll take a sip of... talk about adults.

7:02

I'll take a sip of an adult drink. Thank

7:05

you. I have

7:07

my Santa mug, and I am

7:09

drinking some bourbon. Oh, nice. Some

7:12

bullet bourbon. There you go. Okay,

7:15

let's take a look at this first clip of Just

7:17

a Kiss, because I wanted to see... This basically

7:19

is the premise of the whole movie. It was love

7:21

at first sight. Anyone

7:23

could see that. And it was

7:26

obvious that this would be nothing short

7:28

on a whirlwind romance. Nothing

7:30

was going to give us a pet. Team

7:36

Papadopoulos, I love you. And

7:39

I think you feel the same way about me, don't you?

7:45

What are you doing? I

7:47

don't know if she's attracted to a snowman or

7:49

she's using it as a sexual toy, but this

7:52

is where the movie... I don't think she's using

7:54

it as a... Hold on, I'm gonna... I

7:56

don't think she's using it as a sexual

7:59

toy. be very clear. Well, I

8:01

don't know that she's not actually. I

8:04

think this is going to escalate. Well,

8:07

no, here's my. I

8:09

don't know the carrot. There are all sorts of things

8:11

that could happen. Okay. Okay. I

8:14

didn't know. I didn't know what was happening. None

8:17

of us know. You know, but

8:19

to Paul's point, Jason, and to

8:21

yours earlier, like the Nutcracker was

8:24

at least like shaped like a

8:26

man, like a figure. It

8:28

was a girative. Agree. It

8:31

was. Yes.

8:33

Yes. This blob. Look at

8:35

this. Look at. She is going

8:37

in for it. She was going in and a

8:39

nice romantic. Here's what I'll say. What

8:41

is a sex toy? A sex toy is something

8:43

that you would. This is something I'm

8:46

glad you're defining because I've long wondered.

8:48

So please Paul, I'm

8:50

just saying that like she is clearly in the beginning. She

8:55

believes that that is not the boy that

8:57

she wants. She's creating an image of him

8:59

and then and

9:01

connecting with it in an intimate way. That

9:03

to me would be a sex toy is

9:05

an object that she's treating as human for

9:07

pleasure. All right.

9:10

Well, now I'm back on Jason's side. I want

9:12

to get off this. Holy

9:14

cow. That is

9:17

I mean, I could we could spend

9:19

the rest of the night hacking what you

9:21

just said because Paul, she

9:23

is she's playing house and she's

9:25

right. Exactly. She's not acting. She

9:28

stole a boy's hat. She

9:30

stole his hat and she

9:32

got his. Well, we don't

9:34

know. We don't know that she stole

9:36

it. Well, where did she come

9:38

with it? She just happens to be in possession of it.

9:40

Yeah. OK, we're giving

9:42

this girl way too much leeway. She

9:45

stole the hat. She's she's kind of

9:47

creating some sort of ceremony here. So

9:49

the snowman smells as young boy. She's

9:51

like a witch that

9:53

she got the boy's hat. She created a

9:56

this. So you think this is like a

9:58

magic movie in which a young. Well

12:00

later but foundationally just a regular

12:03

snowman and putting different and

12:05

I mean like not that different actually

12:08

Items on him. Yeah with

12:10

the one exception Which is

12:12

that at the end of every montage

12:14

at the end of every? There's a

12:16

montage that kind of time elapses us

12:18

from whenever they are at 12 or

12:20

13 all the way through to

12:22

adulthood So that gives you the sense of time

12:26

Of time passing she always

12:28

takes Nick's hat off his head

12:30

and puts it on the snowman

12:32

So every time it's her best

12:34

friend So the first hat is

12:36

the hat that is Dean Greek

12:38

last name Yeah, yeah,

12:40

yeah, Dean and Papa D'Opolis Stoop

12:46

by the way Dean Papa D'Opolis comes in with

12:48

very little information just that his hats on a

12:51

snowman He's like hey, is that me? Are you

12:53

trying to make out with me and then and

12:55

then destroys him? He's not wrong. He's

12:57

not wrong. He's

12:59

a very good for a young

13:01

boy and then destroys the effort

13:03

Like he destroyed him destroying himself

13:06

is very interesting because in the

13:08

reality of this movie that is

13:10

Cole Yeah, or is Cole

13:12

the next one? Cole is the

13:14

one that they made in the last one

13:16

is the last one. No Cole Cole

13:19

says I always loved looking at

13:21

this house. He was always there

13:24

Cole was in there from the

13:26

beginning Every man

13:28

is Cole. Yeah, every so

13:30

many of cole. Okay, cuz he also does call

13:32

it and know all the other snowman in town

13:36

Okay, so it's been worked on this

13:38

this is what's troubling so so I

13:40

don't know you're absolutely right They

13:43

have been working on building Cole Their

13:46

entire lives and say we're six years old

13:48

now the thing that's so strange in the movie

13:50

though And then I want to still get to

13:52

the magical piece and the mom scarf that comes

13:55

into play and when those eyes That's whether

13:57

Cole is good or evil Yeah

14:00

Well, okay, so what I was going to say

14:02

about Cole is he and

14:04

Nick have such an

14:07

antagonistic relationship, but Nick

14:09

has really made Cole. Like

14:12

Nick is Cole's maker. Sure.

14:15

You know, he's his god. No,

14:18

no, no, no, no. Cole seems

14:21

to exist as the human embodiment

14:23

of the wishes. Sarah

14:26

continues to wish what she wants

14:28

from the perfect man, a sense

14:31

of adventure. So Cole is an

14:33

adventure travel guy. Sweep

14:35

her off. Adventure tourism. He comes in

14:37

and does that. Adventure tourism, rather. Like

14:39

she has this list of what

14:42

she wants from the perfect man

14:44

and Cole represents the personification of

14:46

that list. It

14:50

seems to me that while Cole

14:52

has been the same for 20 some odd years,

14:54

by the way, she's By

14:57

the way, in the movie or in the movie? In

15:00

the movie. So,

15:02

okay, still too old to be. So

15:05

Cole is not

15:08

the amalgamation of all the ones because we

15:10

saw a punk rocker. We saw go to

15:12

wearing one. We saw some very different personalities.

15:14

I mean, they listed they like they stood

15:16

in that one moment of them by playing

15:18

air guitar for way too long. But

15:21

he is the personification of the

15:24

most recent Cole, right? So like every

15:26

year changes based on what she wants.

15:29

So this year she wants the travel

15:31

writer and she is the architeer. He's

15:33

always been there and he's

15:36

always wanted this for her. What is

15:38

he referencing? He also says I've

15:40

always loved this house, which

15:43

means which means he's been there

15:45

every year. I think

15:47

I think there's some I think the movie. Let's

15:50

be clear. The movie has a clear

15:52

mythology, but I think some version of what the

15:54

mythology is is the spirit

15:57

of Sarah's perfect man

15:59

as persarcast. modified inside of

16:01

the snowman has existed throughout

16:03

all of the snowmen that

16:05

she and Nick build together.

16:07

Somehow, in this instance, it

16:09

comes to life. So

16:11

Cole has all these kind of memories

16:13

of, I always loved this house, dot,

16:15

dot, dot. So he seems

16:17

to be a representation of

16:20

her immature

16:23

desires or immature ideas of what

16:25

the perfect man is. Right?

16:27

So you're just basically saying, I mean, well, we should get into

16:29

the lesson in a second. I want to bring up something that

16:31

June brought up. And actually, I saw somebody in the chat bring

16:33

this up as well, but I have this written down. You

16:37

said, you know, that

16:39

Nick is Cole's maker. So

16:42

would that make Nick Cole's

16:44

father? Yes,

16:46

it would also make Sarah his mother. No,

16:50

that doesn't make any sense because Sarah,

16:52

they are building a perfect boyfriend. They're

16:55

not building a son. Okay.

16:57

So it'd be kind of nice. So well, so you're

17:00

saying that Sarah is not a painting. Nick

17:02

is participating in building his

17:05

own competition every year. I

17:07

don't think Nick is Cole's

17:09

God because Cole is

17:12

nagging Nick the entire movie, calling

17:14

him little, calling him little guy,

17:16

like treating him like he's in

17:18

a traditional rom com. You know,

17:21

like this would be Cole would

17:23

be like, have a sweet face

17:25

to Sarah and then snarky and

17:27

shitty to the competition to her

17:30

friend. Right. And he'll be

17:32

like, that's not really what happens here. No,

17:34

but it's a little bit like that. Cole is

17:36

a little bit of a dick to Nick. You

17:39

know, I have so many issues about it.

17:41

I always call him little guy and be like,

17:43

come on, little guy. You know,

17:45

I mean, listen, I, I thought Cole

17:47

was amazing. All knows I was taken

17:50

with Cole and June

17:52

jumped out of the bed when that

17:54

shirt came off. She

17:56

was, I was hollering. I

17:58

was like, yeah. You

18:01

feel like he was. I mean,

18:03

Gray. And I think this actor is wonderful

18:06

and in an untapped talent as as he

18:08

was hilarious. The scene in which and are

18:10

going to play up at the scene in

18:12

which he says sanding as a spell maps.

18:15

And a enough seats to receive

18:17

version his with is like said

18:19

eyes and Ccf the like force

18:21

him to engage with L A

18:24

or silk. So a my point

18:26

though Paul is that coal. Coal.

18:28

Is it call actually is a

18:31

grown man and I love that

18:33

that actor so is. To.

18:35

Be he's playing something that is for

18:37

till you know he's He's an object

18:39

that is a child's object. A

18:41

child's like a child's wish. Like

18:44

I was like to say his

18:46

name. Yes and he plays it.

18:48

He. Made the choice to play

18:50

like a grown man and I

18:52

thought it was such a great

18:55

choice. Cena myself that he was

18:57

an antagonistic. And. I said is

18:59

intact antagonistic before I. Felt like he

19:01

was treating next the way next

19:03

Deserve. To be treated. Oh

19:05

no no no no no of

19:08

he would I me I strongly

19:10

disagree or yes because here's the

19:12

thing sorry what we know about

19:14

coal is this and we all

19:16

agree I agree to that A

19:18

be funnier holders of fucking liar

19:21

cool does not work for it.

19:23

It's world Travel agency was my

19:25

buddy Yeah while I disagree I

19:27

do for work search for he's

19:29

using Auto Harris. Know. None of

19:32

that is real. Here's my here's my question.

19:34

Okay I'll just call have a phone. Survey

19:37

has been wary. How does that whole have

19:40

a phone? Some mean like let's go back

19:42

to the not of wrangling a very a

19:44

very naughty Chris Yes where to start of

19:46

the if I were to I believe has

19:48

I believe coal goes outside and turns into

19:50

a snowman at night? I don't know but

19:52

but the oh no I'm not comes I'm

19:54

not a real meeting but as other what

19:56

I'm saying is like with when the very.

19:59

nice bad about the rules

20:01

in this movie. There's no rules. They

20:03

were good about the rules in

20:05

the Nutcracker movie, right? A very

20:08

nutty Christmas. When

20:10

he comes to life, he has

20:12

a purpose, a drive, he's gonna

20:14

help her. It's like this movie

20:16

lacked the hijinks that that movie

20:18

had because Cole, as a

20:21

snowman, come to life, should be

20:23

not good at interacting with the

20:25

world. And in fact, he's just

20:28

doing all of the boyfriend stuff

20:30

that a 12-year-old imbued him

20:32

with. And as a result,

20:34

I agree with June, his

20:36

performance is childlike because his

20:38

entire persona is that of...

20:41

he's been populated by the wishes of

20:43

a young girl all these years. Hard

20:45

disagree. Hard disagree. I needed him to

20:47

get into more interactions with more people

20:49

because he actually seems like a real

20:51

man and I don't think he is.

20:53

He's a snowman. Well, this is my

20:55

question. Okay, well this is the issue.

20:57

What is he? Is he a demon?

20:59

Is he like... because what he

21:01

is is a snowman... I also wrote is Cole

21:03

a demon in my notes. Yeah. I wrote that

21:06

in my notes. What is

21:08

he? Like what is he? We don't

21:10

know any rules. There's no logic. He's

21:12

got money. Like he just...

21:14

I'm all for a magical movie. I'm all

21:16

for a magical movie. But there's like

21:19

there's no elf here like in the sense of

21:21

like the buddy the elf comes to New York.

21:23

He's like, oh my gosh, what the world's greatest...

21:25

like he's not impressed by the world. He knows

21:27

the world. He's telling her that he like works

21:29

for a travel agency. These are all lies

21:31

that will eventually be revealed. He is

21:33

a bad guy. Well, when... I

21:36

don't think... I agree with the first

21:38

part of your story because... or your

21:40

theory because Nick is constantly peppering him

21:42

with questions and Cole has no answers,

21:44

right? None. But I don't think he's

21:46

bad. I don't think his... I don't

21:49

think he has malice or malicious intent.

21:51

I don't think he is a evil

21:53

character. I think he... I think he

21:55

is just... he is

21:58

two-dimensional because that... Here's

22:00

what she thinks she wants is

22:02

something that isn't that doesn't have

22:04

depth but doesn't have reality. Big

22:07

the hurts. The poll is a

22:09

representation. Oh my God. we're getting

22:11

into Drop Dead Fred Hope. Ah

22:14

ah oh no, not on. I

22:16

don't know. Coal meters run down

22:18

there is how it and we

22:20

are but we're outnumbered here. It's

22:23

okay, I

22:26

believe coal is not evil at

22:28

all, but I believe use the

22:31

some the collection of when she

22:33

says that list and they do

22:35

be repeated a number of times.

22:37

He is the roof physical representation

22:39

of that list. But. Yet

22:41

okay, what's his engine produces? oh my hands

22:43

are cold. So easy a snowman. Does he

22:46

have any like a like the hundred all

22:48

edit it will that but that's my job

22:50

as you both sides that are no man.

22:52

He says his purpose now he lives with

22:55

her new ruler. Yes, And No

22:57

one, No, The all. Snowman.

23:00

Mean. To. Well.

23:02

Or at least he needs to leave by

23:04

Christmas. I don't know. Yes, Like

23:06

I'd like office manager are you still be

23:08

by Christmas and he was taking her with

23:11

spikes. So here and whole game plan was

23:13

that she was gonna leave him. Know

23:15

his yes his whole game plan is

23:17

he is. It's very carefully worded. He

23:19

says i'm here to make you find

23:21

love right but when see think these

23:23

with him and were see means is

23:26

with Nick see as a catalyst to

23:28

show her that she's really in love

23:30

with next. So what is he doing

23:32

with Hank the snow make is Hank

23:34

the snowman forces at work so he's

23:36

gonna go play in the pool. many

23:38

says have downtime part because I you

23:40

know when a visit. He he's

23:42

the he's gotta kill him hours now

23:45

Cody I just cel putin that sad

23:47

that there's and team next him call

23:49

thing going on it in the inner

23:51

selves. oh and I have to push

23:53

about it is not. Possible.

23:56

To the team neck. There is no

23:58

team nick. Nick. It's the

24:00

wrong choice. I

24:08

mean, that's the interesting thing about this movie

24:10

is I don't think I've ever rooted so

24:12

hard for the wrong guy. I

24:16

knew we were set up to want her to be with

24:18

Nick and I'm just like, go to Paris. Go

24:20

to Paris for seven days or ten days

24:22

or whatever it is. Fuck the

24:25

snowman and then come back. If

24:27

you want an

24:30

ice stick, if his hands are cold,

24:32

if his fingers are cold, imagine what

24:34

his dick would be like. He's

24:36

constantly, I mean, I'm just I'm not trying

24:38

to be too close to be very clear

24:41

in the mythology of the movie. There

24:43

is no going to Paris with Cole. He

24:45

knows that's not going to happen. It's

24:49

all because she needs to realize she should be

24:51

with Nick. But

24:54

to June's point, here's what's interesting. The

24:58

movies, the movie, they have

25:00

terrible chemistry. I

25:02

really miss Melissa Joan Hart. I really miss some

25:04

of the people that have been in some of

25:07

these other movies. Yeah. If

25:10

they had sold us on the chemistry

25:12

between Sarah and Nick, this movie would

25:14

have worked so much better. But we

25:17

have it's almost as if they meet once

25:19

a year to make that snowman. Their

25:21

relationship seems so distant from each

25:23

other, but their best friends who

25:25

live in the same town and

25:28

see each other, I believe, all

25:30

the time. They're best friends. They

25:32

are friends. But they are very

25:34

sour character. I found her to

25:36

be sour. Great. They

25:38

also seem to live in like stars hollow.

25:41

They seem to live in the tiniest of tiny

25:43

towns, but they live in the Twin Cities, which

25:45

is a thriving metropolis. I also like to talk

25:47

about this paper she works at. But

25:50

I want to get I don't want to go too far away from Cole. I

25:52

do want to say to that

25:54

Sarah reprimands Nick for having his

25:56

feet up on his own couch.

26:00

Why is Nick's door a bank vault door?

26:02

I was very confused by that. Okay, so

26:04

the way they set up Nick, I mean, this

26:06

is the thing about these movies, whenever in one

26:08

of the Lifetime movies, you see a man who

26:10

has like a messenger bag on, you

26:13

know, immediately we as the audience are supposed

26:15

to think like he's like a real, like

26:18

renegade kind of guy, like he's

26:21

the artist, he's like not

26:23

in a suit. And

26:25

I knew we were supposed to think that

26:27

about him that he wasn't, he

26:30

wasn't sort of the obvious

26:32

choice. But it's like, I

26:36

am so turned off by this

26:38

gentleman. Oh, come on. And for

26:40

you, wait, do you think can I ask

26:43

you, June, do you think men in messenger

26:45

bags, do you have a take on this?

26:47

Like, is that like, oh, you

26:49

just that look? Wow. That look says a

26:51

lot. Like, what if I was wearing a

26:53

messenger bag? What if I was wearing a

26:56

messenger bag? And drinking tea? What would you

26:58

think? I do think that

27:00

there was a time in New York City

27:02

when I was going to NYU, where

27:05

every guy was like starting out

27:08

with messenger bags. And it

27:10

was such a look. And

27:12

then there's sort of like the corporate messenger bag.

27:14

Yeah, which is like the guy who's like, I'm

27:17

not going to carry a suitcase. I'm going to

27:19

carry a messenger bag. And

27:21

I don't like what it

27:24

says, you know, I'm like, my mom

27:26

once got me leather,

27:28

like a leather, a fully leather saddlebag.

27:30

She's like, this is you. And I

27:32

was like, it's not me. It was

27:34

so like, it was like that,

27:36

that middle ground, which I've seen so

27:39

much, like, I'm wearing a suit. And

27:41

my briefcase is like a $600. Like,

27:44

like, messenger bag because I'm

27:46

still cool. And it's like,

27:48

I still got it. Yeah. And also

27:50

for him, it's like, why do you need that

27:52

messenger bag? Because all of your work seems to be in

27:55

one iPad. And I know we're going to get into the

27:57

iPads in this movie. And I know Paul is a lot to say

27:59

about. I mean, this movie, no

28:01

one has an iPhone, everyone has an iPad. You're

28:04

a cartoonist, but you don't have tools

28:06

in there. Like you don't have brushes

28:08

and palettes and canvases, like you just

28:10

have, you have this finger and this

28:13

screen. We may have an Apple pen, he may

28:15

have an Apple pen. Yeah, he might, he might have

28:17

some sort of stylist. But

28:20

like. I do believe he can

28:23

do that, but I wanna talk about this

28:25

guy, this cartoonist who is not working, getting

28:27

rejection letters against fill the room. Let's just

28:29

take a look at this vault door and

28:32

this apartment, because for a person that is

28:34

completely unemployed, all right, there's the vault

28:36

door. He's woken it up. I mean, so, I

28:38

mean, what is like, and

28:40

even the sound that they fully into it,

28:43

sounds as though like it's, you know, like

28:45

from a bank. I, I not, he's not

28:47

working in an old bank. I mean, this

28:49

is not like a, not a rent, it's

28:51

like this kind of sounded me. This

28:54

is what's so weird about him, cause like

28:56

he's supposed to be this interesting, the way

28:58

they set him up as a six year

29:00

old, he's got that fun haircut. He's supposed

29:02

to be like an artist, you know, but

29:04

they put him in that sweater. Well,

29:06

he's got it. He's interesting. That's not

29:08

an art. Set him up as, I

29:10

think in order to set him against

29:13

Cole, they've set him up as

29:15

like, kind of a failure

29:17

insecure, someone who's never succeeded. You

29:19

know, she's basically like, everything's

29:21

not so, what does she say? Everything's not

29:24

so great in the cartooning world or something.

29:27

I wrote it down at one point. I wrote it down. But

29:30

I was like, wouldn't you know that? You're

29:32

his best friend. Mustn't this be what you

29:34

guys talk about all the time? But she's

29:36

a terrible friend. She never asked him

29:38

one question. She never just says like,

29:40

hey, are you interested in dating anyone?

29:43

Like, have you had any like interesting.

29:46

Are you a three dimensional person or are

29:48

you just a reflection of my

29:50

needs from me? They meet or

29:52

they don't meet, but they get

29:54

together and the idea of this

29:56

tradition, this snowman tradition is born

29:58

because he was dumped. and she

30:00

was embarrassed, right? Like,

30:03

cause she, like, the, you know,

30:05

Dean Papadopoulos knocks over the snowman

30:07

and then all of a sudden he comes

30:10

over and he's like, oh, Jen doesn't like

30:12

me either. And then they build their perfect

30:14

snowman for her, but she doesn't go like,

30:16

let's now build a snow woman. Like,

30:20

she just takes it. And then we find out

30:22

that he actually dated. And what was

30:24

that? Like, yes. Well, a part of

30:26

the mythology of this movie though, that's so strange.

30:29

Aside from the snowman, although

30:31

connected, you're right, Paul, to that

30:33

first snowman, is that her breakups

30:36

are like, iconically embarrassing.

30:40

And it's just weird. Like the

30:42

one that we- Everyone knows about. Everyone knows

30:44

that they're like a part of the

30:46

town's lore. But the weirdest thing is- At

30:48

the beginning, she's broken up with Brian and her dad

30:50

knows and Nick knows the break. And then she

30:52

reveals they've only been dating for two weeks. And

30:54

not only that, but when- I'm like, who would

30:57

tell somebody about someone who's dating for two weeks?

30:59

They've only been dating for two weeks. No idea.

31:01

You're an adult. You're an adult woman. You're

31:03

an adult woman. And how many dates have

31:05

you done in two weeks to even make

31:07

it like a breakup? Like, that seems like-

31:10

It's not a breakup. It's

31:12

not a breakout. It's something that

31:14

happened. Now, and the weirdest

31:16

thing about how embarrassed she is, is

31:19

when you see his animation, his cartoon

31:21

of what happened on the last date,

31:23

now when we're in present

31:25

day times, it's that they

31:28

broke up and then the waiter spilled

31:30

soup. Well, to add

31:32

insult to injury, or injury

31:34

to insult or whatever, she

31:36

broke up with him and then the waiter poured

31:39

soup in his lap. And they

31:41

are laughing at this. Like, they're

31:43

awful people. She's an awful person.

31:45

Yeah, I didn't quite, I didn't

31:47

count that either. She just seems

31:50

to have no interest in Nick's

31:52

emotional life. I think

31:54

because, were she to be

31:56

curious, she would have to understand and

31:58

acknowledge the obvious facts. Which is that

32:00

he is visibly in love with

32:03

her in every scene that they're in together

32:06

When they arrive she just might she just

32:08

must think like oh, this is my friend Nick.

32:10

He's asexual which is like great Oh, yeah Yeah

32:13

Like I don't know I have Nick why

32:15

not have Nick have we never populate Nick's

32:17

life so that he's had Exes that we

32:20

meet in town or something like that We

32:22

don't understand him to be a three-dimensional person

32:24

that he only if you told me That

32:27

this movie in the last moments pulled

32:29

out and like it

32:32

was like it was like WandaVision Like

32:34

like she was the only real person and

32:36

she was populating everybody in the thing with

32:38

her mind Like I would

32:40

believe that because nobody exists but

32:43

for their reflection in her

32:45

eyes Well to me I would have

32:47

been very happy to see Nick in the elk jerky

32:49

girl get it on. Oh, I

32:51

loved her I love the elk girl

32:53

and the boss and the boss and

32:55

the boss Give me that all the

32:58

amazes now also I would have loved

33:00

to have seen like two months from the end

33:02

of the movie because I think what's gonna happen

33:04

to Nick Who seems like

33:06

a genuinely nice person?

33:09

Wait, are you changing your tune on Nick? No,

33:12

I do think Nick's a genuinely nice person.

33:14

Yeah, I really do I also

33:17

think there's like no competition though

33:19

And there's no reason for the

33:21

way he's behaving throughout the movie

33:24

why she should be interested in him because

33:26

he's Pathetic

33:29

but I do think he is a nice person

33:31

and I but what's gonna happen to Nick two

33:33

months from the end of the movie I'd

33:36

love to see is that he's going to

33:38

realize that this

33:40

woman is incredibly selfish and

33:44

Well, here's the headline. Here's the

33:46

headline for and this is what

33:48

makes the movie tough Nick

33:51

and Sarah will succeed because

33:53

they're both duds They're

33:56

both a men. Hey men

34:00

They deserve each other. I was

34:02

not into the, I wasn't rooting

34:04

for them. Yes. Not

34:06

that I was rooting against them. They

34:08

don't deserve love. They don't deserve love.

34:11

They hate Paul. They don't deserve love.

34:13

They don't deserve love. They deserve the

34:15

love of each other, which is an

34:17

Ikea showroom version of love. Just like

34:20

Nick's house, it's empty, but it looks pretty.

34:22

That's it. Here are the people

34:24

in the movie who deserve love. Dean

34:27

Papadopados. No, no.

34:30

That's Dickhead? That's Dickhead real? No,

34:32

no. Her boss. Her

34:35

friend, the Elk Lady. Elk

34:37

Lady is a straight up murderer.

34:39

Elk Lady is killing too much elk. I love Elk Lady.

34:42

I want that movie. See, that's the thing. I

34:44

love that. She's hilarious. A lot of the other

34:46

holiday movies we've done were better

34:48

populated with more characters like Elk

34:50

Jerky Lady and the boss and

34:52

all those people. I

34:56

think the cast list of this movie is a

34:58

grand total of six speaking parts. I mean, it's

35:00

dad, daughter, two dudes. Remember

35:03

the nutty princess? They went to a big party.

35:05

It's sick. There was a lot going on. No,

35:07

there are six people here. That's it. That's it.

35:10

By the way, is Elk Lady... I have a question about

35:12

this. Is Elk Lady a

35:14

journalist? Why is Elk Lady coming...

35:17

She works at the magazine. I don't know

35:19

what her job is. Okay, so the assignment

35:21

that they get... By the way, I

35:23

have issues about this. I have so many things I want to unpack. It's

35:26

the Twin Cities magazine, which is

35:29

Minneapolis, St. Paul, which is digital

35:31

magazine. It was called a digital

35:33

magazine. Oh,

35:36

okay. I

35:38

thought it was a magazine magazine, but it's the same thing.

35:41

But even a digital magazine, the infrastructure

35:44

of that... That must be one of

35:46

the... I mean, this movie is fairly

35:48

recent. Again, it looks like the Stars

35:50

Hollow newspaper. It looks like they were

35:52

making a pamphlet for a tiny... This

35:54

movie is obviously shot in a tiny Canadian town.

35:57

The movie is, like, relentless.

36:00

Canadian in a way that is

36:02

like almost an attack. I consider

36:04

it like... Paul said at one point he's

36:06

like, well they're all doing Canadian accents. I go, Paul,

36:08

that's their Midwestern accent. Well, I thought

36:11

those Midwestern accents were like, we

36:14

watch a lot of Fargo and we're gonna do the best job that

36:16

we can. Because like, so,

36:18

I mean, it was like, Mayor of Easttown. It's

36:20

like, all of a sudden, one character is like

36:22

going like, I'm Mayor of

36:24

Easttown, check out this Pennsylvania accent. Yeah,

36:26

you're like, this is my Pennsylvania accent

36:28

or Pittsburgh accent, whatever that is. And

36:30

then everyone else is like, I don't

36:32

have that. Like, why make it... Why

36:34

make them... What I couldn't figure out

36:36

is, why make them... Why

36:38

make it Minneapolis, St. Paul, if it's

36:40

obviously a tiny small town in the

36:43

Midwest or it's just Canada? Because her

36:45

desire to travel, her desire to see

36:47

the world, these are two thriving cities

36:49

that have arts and,

36:52

you know, like massive

36:54

populations and, you know, like it didn't

36:56

make sense to me. They're out of

36:58

here. Sarah is

37:00

pitching a travel segment for the... She's

37:03

pitching a brand new segment of the

37:05

magazine and they're like, no, no, no,

37:07

no, no. This is Twin Cities magazine.

37:09

We don't, like, we

37:11

only cover Twin Cities

37:14

goings on. Like, we're not catering

37:16

to the travelers. Here's what we

37:19

could cover, prints from

37:21

that area. You know what I mean? Like, it's not like,

37:24

this seems to be shot... Like, he

37:27

shows up in a carriage. They drive

37:29

through, like, what looks to me like

37:32

the wilderness in the carriage. Also, how

37:34

long is that lunch break? They seem

37:36

to go on lunch break for like

37:39

six hours. And they go to like

37:41

a fancy restaurant. They're going to like

37:43

a four star, like evening place for...

37:46

Okay, to just talk about this, because

37:49

him seeing the deer, which is clearly stock footage,

37:51

is amazing. But when they go to

37:53

dinner or lunch or whatever they go to, lunch,

37:56

there are carrots on his plate and he's like, oh,

37:58

like he gets freaked out. there's a carrot there and

38:00

I'm like, oh, he probably won't eat those carrots. Then he kind

38:02

of picks up the carrot and like smells it

38:05

like, is he going to eat himself?

38:07

Like, I don't understand what the snowman is. I

38:10

think he's thinking like, is this, am I about to

38:12

eat a nose? Is this

38:15

a nose? Are they, are they serving me

38:17

nose? Interestingly, I don't

38:20

believe we ever see Cole eat

38:22

or drink and he's

38:25

afraid of fire and is

38:27

comfortable in the frigid of

38:29

temperatures with the cold. So

38:32

he is literally a

38:35

flesh hands. He's a

38:37

hunky snowman. He is just a snowman. She

38:41

chiseled abs on him. I

38:43

mean, this is the issue. So here's my question to

38:45

you because my issue is that

38:48

we think this is a movie about

38:50

Sarah finding true love, but it seems

38:52

to me that to

38:54

June's point, this is a movie about,

38:56

not Nick getting true love.

38:58

Like Nick is his creator and it

39:01

looks like, yes, it's, it is presenting

39:03

as if it's Sarah's wish, but it

39:05

truly is Nick's wish. Well,

39:08

sure. Huh? Like

39:12

it truly is about, it's truly about, I

39:15

don't think that's not. Wish to be that

39:17

snow snow person. What

39:20

is is like, this

39:22

snowman motivates Nick. Nick

39:24

says, I've loved you since

39:27

the day that we met. She's like, well, if you

39:29

thought that, why are you saying it now? Which is

39:31

such a dick response. But like it motivates Nick to

39:34

be not passive

39:36

anymore. Like Nick makes more character

39:39

choices in this movie than Sarah

39:41

does. Here's

39:44

what I'll say. I can

39:46

come at it from a different point of

39:48

view, which is that Cole, Cole

39:51

is the catalyst for

39:53

both of these people to realize that they

39:55

are in love. But what does she realize?

39:57

They're telling her, don't fall in love. Like

40:00

everyone basically says, sure you love this

40:02

guy, or sure he's romantic, sure it's

40:04

fun, but that's not love. Love

40:06

is not fun. You know, I kept on asking, well,

40:09

what is love then? Why are they making

40:11

such a distinction between love and romance? Or

40:13

true love and romance. Well, I feel like what they

40:15

were saying was, I felt like what they were

40:17

saying was, you as an adult are

40:21

coveting, are thinking what love is,

40:23

is the things that a 12-year-old

40:26

thinks love is. No, it's a 29-year-old. And

40:28

real love, real love is about, the father

40:31

says it. Yes, of course, when I saw

40:33

your mother with the red scarf, she stuck

40:35

out. But then we really had to be

40:37

in love. And what that means is, what

40:40

we all know is doing the work of

40:42

being in love. It's not about like

40:44

a lightning bolt hitting you and somebody sweeping you

40:46

off your feet and taking you on adventures in

40:48

all of these. But it is, it is in

40:51

the beginning. You have to like, like, there's a

40:53

thing like- That's the problem. That is

40:55

the problem. What everybody is telling her

40:57

is like, don't look for that special

40:59

feeling. Don't find that spark. And it's like, I don't

41:01

know you. Yeah, you don't need that spark. Yes.

41:03

And which isn't to say, which isn't

41:05

to say that that can't transform and

41:07

grow and that longer relationship doesn't work. But

41:09

you should have that spark. What they're saying

41:11

is, you're only looking for that special feeling

41:13

because when it starts to

41:16

fade, she bails on

41:18

relationships. Her character's

41:21

backstory is once she

41:23

caught, she has myriad boyfriends who once

41:26

that stage, which is called limerance, once

41:28

limerance- Whoa, wait, hold on, Jane. Back

41:31

it up. Wait. So

41:33

talk to me about limerance. I've never heard this term before.

41:35

Limerance is the honeymoon phase. Limerance is that,

41:38

that the initial part of a relationship where

41:40

you are just getting that, you

41:42

know, that hit of like, oh my God, this

41:44

person is so exciting. Oh my God. Everything

41:47

they do is perfect. Then we're describing, right? But

41:50

the problem is when, when

41:52

limerance ends, the actual relationship,

41:55

an adult relationship has to happen.

41:58

Sarah thinks love is a thing. is limerance

42:00

all the time. And so when it

42:02

stops, she breaks

42:04

up with every boyfriend. And

42:07

that is her problem. I guess

42:09

I would agree with that if it seemed like

42:11

she was even getting past the stage of

42:13

limerance with these other men. It

42:15

seems to me like she's... But

42:18

that's what the movie is telling us. Like with Brian,

42:20

the boyfriend at the beginning. You like, you know. I

42:23

guess, again, two weeks. It's like, I would hope limerance

42:25

would last for like six

42:28

months a year. I mean, she and I have been

42:30

together for almost like 20 years. I mean, I've barely,

42:33

has it ended yet? I think, no, I'm still

42:35

in total limerance. I think the

42:37

movie is telling us for her, with

42:39

the minute she sees something real

42:42

that isn't these adventurous, this, this, and

42:45

this, she bails. And what her

42:47

dad and what other people are trying to say

42:49

is, actually love starts

42:51

like that, but it actually has

42:53

much more depth and much more...

42:55

So she's not doing attention. That's

42:57

wonderful. That's so wonderful. And

42:59

love that. Love that for her.

43:02

Love that for everyone. Cole

43:04

represents only limerance. And Nick,

43:06

I think poorly represents zero...

43:09

The illimerance. The idea, yeah,

43:11

zero limerance, but the promise

43:13

of the substantial love.

43:15

But you just throw her onto him

43:17

to force her to

43:19

consider him, to

43:21

have so many people telling

43:23

her that she

43:26

should consider Nick without

43:28

any... When she doesn't feel

43:30

that, and for her to... It felt

43:32

like she was getting brainwashed to

43:34

just look for someone who

43:36

has been there for a long time. Hey,

43:39

it's the word they use. You

43:41

need to settle. You need to settle.

43:43

And by the way, I'm a big believer. I

43:46

read this book that was

43:49

really transformative for me, but

43:51

there was this idea that sometimes settling is viewed

43:53

as a bad thing, but settling is really just

43:56

making a choice and instead of

43:58

not making a choice, right? this idea

44:00

of like, like FOMO, but FOMO

44:02

is why I made this choice and I

44:04

didn't do that thing. So I like, enjoy

44:06

your settling. But to me, it felt like,

44:09

oh, Sarah, stop looking for

44:11

the big thing. Just you got somebody here

44:14

who's going to be here. Like, it didn't

44:16

feel like we saw enough

44:18

of them really by worry about falling in

44:20

love. And not that was troubling

44:23

to me. Well, I think what they were

44:25

saying was, I think what they're I

44:27

think what the movie is trying to

44:29

say is love can love doesn't just

44:31

look like what you thought it looked

44:33

like at 12. Love

44:36

is adult long lasting love

44:38

is a different thing. And you

44:41

have shut yourself off to that.

44:43

Because you're so consumed with

44:45

checking these boxes of a

44:48

list that you made when you were 12

44:50

years old, you know, but you keep on

44:52

saying this thing. Yeah, you keep on saying

44:54

the same about 12 years old, because I

44:56

will say, all right, so I guess let's

44:58

just I want to understand where they are

45:00

because they keep repeating her list and it's

45:02

the same. Okay, okay. So I

45:04

see you're saying so she's always like, I want someone to sweep

45:06

me off my feet. So

45:09

there's an adventure. Okay, got it. Okay. So

45:11

I guess what I was saying was, I

45:13

thought she made the list. All of those

45:15

things. Okay. All right. I get I get

45:17

you. So she's never changed what she wanted.

45:20

Every other role guy or Sarah is emotionally

45:22

12 years old and

45:24

her understanding about what adult love

45:26

looks like. Boom, I am single.

45:34

What I wish I had seen from

45:36

her and Nick is the

45:38

only act of kindness was

45:40

that she like got him

45:42

a job at the at

45:45

the online magazine. That's it.

45:47

So that's a great thing. It was a

45:50

very nice thing. But I would have loved to have seen

45:52

them having a laugh together, taking their

45:55

family's each other have been palpable. Yeah. And

45:57

it's like, but that's what I mean. They're

45:59

both not

46:01

like each other actually. Oh,

46:04

I'll go one step further. They seem

46:06

to not know each other. They're constantly telling

46:09

us they're best friends and they seem to

46:11

not know each other. So much so that I

46:13

was like, oh, she lives for

46:15

a long part of the movie. I was like,

46:17

oh, she lives somewhere else and

46:19

only comes home at Christmas. It

46:22

seemed like, or he did. Or

46:24

he did. And this is

46:26

like a Christmas friendship. After half of

46:28

the movie, I thought he was visiting

46:30

because she says I've never left town.

46:33

I thought he was visiting. Then I was like, oh, wait

46:35

a minute. No, they are best friends who see each other

46:37

all the time. They're fucked. They're not

46:40

this. There's no chemistry to these people. But I mean,

46:42

they could have a fun, they could have a fun,

46:45

like, witty repartee. Like it could be like a Harry

46:47

Met Sally kind of a fun, like they could be

46:49

picking a piss out of each other. But

46:51

there's that one moment where they're working together in the story and

46:53

it's like, this is being set up like, I hate

46:55

you and I hate you. And the boss is like, and I'm putting

46:57

you two together and like, huh. It's

47:00

like, no, no, you're psyched. But here's my question.

47:02

Besides the fact, why are they starting the big Christmas

47:04

story on December 13th? That

47:07

seems like way too short of a lead time for the

47:09

giant issue. She also says, I

47:11

need to fall in love by Christmas.

47:13

Why? That's like,

47:15

that's, that's, you think, again, you're 30 years

47:17

old and you think it's possible to meet

47:19

and fall in love within 12 days? Nope.

47:23

That's, that's, that's like a child's thinking. And I

47:25

also think these movies set up these

47:27

premises and stakes for women that I,

47:29

I've literally never heard one woman, one

47:31

single woman in my life. And I

47:33

never felt this way when I was

47:35

single think like, Oh God, I hope

47:37

I'm with someone by Christmas. Well,

47:40

you've never had the problem. I want to have somebody

47:42

to kiss on Christmas Eve, that normal thought, like not,

47:45

not New Year's Eve. I just want to have somebody

47:47

to kiss on Christmas Eve. It's never occurred to me.

47:49

If anything, it's like, I want to be like, I

47:51

want to be in a food coma on

47:53

a couch, like Christmas to me is not

47:55

like a sexy time. Like Christmas is a

47:58

time to be in your comfy cozy. I

48:00

agree. I agree with that. But I

48:03

think you're equating love with sexy time.

48:05

And I will say the idea of

48:07

spending the holidays alone is sad. Of

48:10

course. And I don't. I'm not expecting that.

48:12

But the other one has her dad there.

48:15

But that's exactly what I

48:17

was just going to say. She has family.

48:19

She has not only family, but a best

48:21

friend and many other friends and a support

48:23

system. She's not. The movie

48:25

would make sense if it was like she's

48:28

alone someplace. Nick is her best

48:30

friend. He comes to visit. They do their tradition. And

48:33

like, you know, the snowman comes

48:35

to life. By the way, how

48:37

the fuck do you make this

48:40

movie and never reveal to Sarah

48:42

or Nick that Cole was the

48:44

snowman all along? That's my

48:46

issue. The snowman doesn't seem to know that

48:49

he's a snowman. They don't get the reveal.

48:51

There's no stakes to the whole fun of

48:53

the movie. Well, nobody suspects that he's the

48:55

snowman. I said, I said this to June

48:57

and June disagreed with me. But I'm going

48:59

to say to you here, I

49:02

believe that Sarah's mom was

49:04

a snowwoman. OK,

49:08

so you're saying or something. You

49:10

think Sarah is that person? No

49:12

woman. Well, OK, because I don't

49:14

know. OK, well, let's get into

49:16

that. What's

49:19

the magical scarf? Like,

49:21

oh, OK, so this is like this is where

49:23

I'm kind of confused. Yes, the movie would be

49:25

around this idea. Right. The scarf is

49:28

the thing that the snowman comes to life

49:30

because of the scarf. And again, the father's

49:32

like, I hear the scarf. So what? So

49:34

that was a scarf that her mother was

49:36

wearing. Is that a thing that brings it?

49:38

Was her mother a light post or a

49:40

lamp post in France? And

49:43

then that like, like, what is this magical

49:45

scarf? Does the scarf

49:47

bring things to life? I

49:50

think that's the

49:52

movie trying to draw a cute

49:55

and sweet connection between the

49:58

love that the parents had. which is

50:00

what Sarah repeatedly in the movie says, I'm

50:02

looking for the kind of love that you

50:05

and mom had. And wait,

50:07

okay, why does the dad wait

50:09

until she's 30 something

50:11

to give her the scarf? Why

50:14

not? I'll tell you why, I'll tell

50:16

you why. Because that dad, she

50:19

is too attached to

50:21

that home and that dad. And

50:23

that dad had been holding that scarf

50:25

back because that dad wanted her working

50:27

on that furniture. And that

50:29

dad wanted, a lot of times what happens with

50:32

dad's is when mom dies, they make the daughter

50:34

a little wavy. And I think that's what

50:36

was going on with dad. June, I don't disagree

50:38

with you, but I also wanna talk about

50:40

something here too. Queen Paul furniture in that

50:42

big, beautiful house that they have, like he

50:44

freaked out, he's like, I think you should,

50:47

your company name should be Queen Paul Podcast.

50:49

Oh, I mean, I'm gonna get into Queen

50:51

Paul ready to go. But Queen Paul says

50:53

like, oh honey, you shouldn't have bought me

50:55

this stain, it's too expensive. She was like,

50:57

no, it wasn't dad either. For

51:00

Father's Day, she got him furniture stain. And

51:02

by the way, it's from Italy. And you're

51:04

telling me you live in St. Paul, Minneapolis?

51:07

No, but by the way, by the way,

51:10

like he seems to have a, for

51:13

that house, unless the mother died in some

51:15

sort of freak accident where they won a

51:17

ton of money, like she was killed by

51:21

a toaster fire and Black and Decker paid them

51:23

out like $12 million. That

51:25

Queen Paul furniture is doing good because she's not

51:27

making that much money on that digital fucking scene.

51:30

Well, she's working for the magazine

51:33

and she's also listing his refurbished

51:35

furniture and making money. And she's

51:37

really working on it herself. Right,

51:39

yeah. But she's not paying rent there.

51:41

She's making it, she's a very successful business, is

51:44

all I'm saying. It's like that Queen Paul furniture

51:46

is paying the mortgage of that house.

51:49

I'm just saying it's not a small business. I think they

51:52

own that house outright. I think they do at this point.

51:54

From what? From the furniture. From

51:56

the Queen Paul town and them living there forever. Yes,

51:59

from Queen Paul furniture. And I think Paul

52:01

that you and I because I actually really loved

52:03

the kitchen in this in this movie and they're

52:06

Kitchen in that house. I love I loved it loved

52:08

it loved it, but I do think the

52:10

house was not set up I think you saw

52:12

it as this like mansion, but I

52:14

don't think that's the way It

52:17

was supposed to come across. I

52:19

think it was they were supposed to

52:22

come across as like modest Yeah,

52:24

we're in this sort of old-fashioned

52:26

giant But

52:29

the house only makes sense as a big

52:31

house in a small town It

52:33

looks like a big city. It looks like a big

52:35

city. It looks like a yeah, it looks like I

52:37

agree Yeah, and here's my question. I have a couple

52:39

questions Okay,

52:41

there's places I want to go. We didn't really

52:43

break down the scarf thing But

52:46

I will say that I but I do

52:48

think the scarf was the magical Elements that

52:50

cause only come to life and then Nick

52:52

wears the scarf at the end Well,

52:55

they're their final meet cute. So

52:57

it's when she finally sees Nick

52:59

sees Nick because he's wearing the

53:01

red scarf She sees him as the the one

53:03

that she's supposed to be with or whatever the

53:06

way that her dad Seeing

53:08

the mom. I think that's the that's the connection

53:10

the movie again. The movie is clumsy I'm not

53:13

saying they doing a good job of this. Yeah,

53:15

you know, I mean, I don't I didn't love

53:17

this the way I loved What

53:20

world do we live in where I'm saying

53:22

I didn't love Snowman as

53:24

much as a very nutty Chris you are looking

53:26

for you're saying I need a little bit more

53:28

Most of Joan Hart and I'm gonna tell you

53:30

this movie didn't a little bit more comedy chops

53:32

and I do Yeah, man was good, but I

53:34

thought the characters I thought the snowman was good

53:37

But also a careless give me I needed

53:39

a Rizzoli or an isles in this guy.

53:41

I needed a character is welcome We need

53:44

character. All right, but you and I got

53:46

this debate and we just barely started it

53:48

off Screen and I

53:50

want to bring it up here when when

53:53

Nick says I'm happy for

53:55

you June says that's

53:57

a lie and I go that's true. He

53:59

is is happy for her because

54:01

they are friends, but he's

54:03

not happy for himself. And I

54:06

believe that that could be two things can be true. No,

54:09

what he says, Paul, and this is where

54:11

I took issue with it. He says to

54:14

her when he finds out that she was leaving

54:16

for Paris with Cole, he says, I'm happy for

54:18

you. Um, but I'm

54:20

just not happy for me. And

54:23

my point was like, well, then you're

54:25

not happy for her. And that's, that's,

54:27

that's actually just fine, but you're lying.

54:30

And Paul, I mean, I do feel like

54:32

I uncovered something about you because Paul kept

54:34

on saying, no, no, no, no, no. He

54:36

is happy for her, but

54:38

it just hurts him. And

54:43

my point of view is like, well, that's

54:45

not possible. That's a lie. And that's an

54:47

okay lie to have to tell yourself or

54:49

to have to tell someone else. But it's

54:51

actually not true. Do

54:53

you think, what do you mean? Can

54:55

you be happy for someone, but also

54:57

be upset? Like it's sort

54:59

of like, Hey, I'm so happy. Oh, yes.

55:01

Yes. I think you can be. I think

55:03

you can be, I think you can be

55:05

happy for someone because you love them and

55:07

you want them to be happy. Even

55:10

if that means their happiness makes

55:13

you unhappy. Yes. Unrequited love. If you

55:15

are, if I'm unrequited, you love someone

55:17

and they love someone else. I want

55:19

to see you happy. But

55:21

I've never been unrequited. So I guess

55:24

I don't know. Wow. Well, never had

55:26

unrequited love. I guess I

55:28

have, but not to the degree. You've always

55:30

gotten everybody you set your eye on. No,

55:32

no, no, no. That's not true. But

55:34

I've never had the experience of thinking

55:36

to myself, I love you so much

55:38

that I'm happy that you

55:41

are with someone else that you love.

55:43

I don't believe that that's ever

55:46

a feeling I have ever had, honestly.

55:48

And I don't think that's possible. But

55:50

you would rather them be unhappy. But like, here's my

55:52

question. I'm not going to rather them be

55:54

unhappy. That's not the equivalent. I'm just

55:57

saying I could not honestly say. happy

56:00

for you if I was

56:02

not if it was causing me that

56:05

much pain. Wow.

56:07

Okay. I think I think it was I think it was

56:09

Cody Molly. What

56:11

do you think I want to hear it was my

56:13

best friend if it was somebody that I was like

56:15

super close with even if I had feelings for them.

56:20

If I felt like they weren't in love

56:22

with me, right, but they

56:24

found love, I would be happy for

56:27

them and I would be heartbroken for

56:29

myself. Super producer Cody says happy with

56:31

for them. Super producer Cody

56:33

says I'm with June. producer

56:35

Molly says I am not with June.

56:37

So we are it's I guess it

56:39

comes down to how we are as

56:42

human beings. What I think is

56:44

it's it's a lovely and not

56:46

actually necessary mechanism

56:49

of self preservation. And I

56:52

think that I understand it. And I

56:54

think it's lovely and important to when

56:57

I said when I said I was

57:00

happy for the actor who got the

57:02

role in the M Night movie.

57:05

Old. I missed it. Now

57:07

I wasn't happy for myself. But

57:10

I was happy for him because it was a great

57:12

opportunity. Now I also can say with I was there

57:14

would have made a couple of different choices. But

57:16

I think if you can't be happy

57:18

for someone you

57:21

love to find love that

57:23

is not with you, then

57:25

I think you are selfish. I

57:27

think you are being selfish. I think

57:29

you're saying selfish. You're saying only me

57:31

right only if it was on my

57:34

level, you're not allowed to have you're

57:36

not allowed to have happiness on your

57:38

own terms. Only with me. No, but

57:40

that's not what I'm saying. I don't think

57:42

it's that black and white. I'm saying that

57:44

I would never stop someone that I was

57:46

in love with from finding or stand in

57:48

any sort of way. I would say go

57:51

you wouldn't be happy. Like you would be you

57:53

stand here and say I'm happy.

57:56

That is a lie. And that I'm

57:58

happy for you. I'm not

58:00

happy for you. I'm not

58:02

all of you. I'm happy for

58:04

you. I'm not all. I'm happy for me.

58:07

Okay, the T-shirt is, I'm happy

58:09

for you, I'm happy for me. I'm happy

58:11

for you, but I'm not happy for me.

58:13

But the price says I'm happy for you,

58:16

I'm gonna stand. I understand

58:18

the feelings behind it, but I would hope that

58:20

I could be selfless enough to

58:24

wish for and be happy for the person

58:26

I love to find love. Like if you

58:28

want to underplay it... I think what you're

58:31

honestly saying is you're at peace. That's

58:33

fine. I'm at peace. Oh, see, I actually don't

58:35

think I would be at peace. No, I'm not

58:38

at peace. I'm happy. I would be a mess.

58:41

I would be a fucking mess. I'm not at peace. That's

58:43

the line. And how could you say you're happy for them

58:45

if you were a whole mess? Because I

58:47

am. I'm happy for them. I'm sad for me. I'm

58:50

happy for them. I'm sad for me. I'm happy for

58:52

them. I'm sad for me. That's the shirt.

58:55

Write it down. But here's the thing.

58:57

I believe that you can be an inner

58:59

turmoil. You

59:01

can be an inner turmoil, but also know

59:03

it was the best thing for them. I'm

59:06

Nick. I'm a fucking dud. Again,

59:08

peace. Peace. That's not happy.

59:10

I'm not at peace. Peace. I'm

59:13

not at peace with it. Resolve. Yes.

59:16

Conclusion that's not happy is active.

59:18

And it's false. And

59:20

I think that sometimes we need those false

59:22

narratives because they make us feel better. They

59:25

make us feel like we're not selfish. They

59:27

protect us. But I

59:29

don't think that that's true. And

59:32

I think... But you're

59:34

saying as if there is a truth. And

59:37

I don't think there is like... Can

59:39

you feel more than one thing at one time? That's

59:41

what Molly says. Of course you can. And I

59:43

think that that's absolutely right. That you can feel

59:45

like, oh, well, obviously, even though I'm devastated, I

59:47

don't want them to be with me. If they don't

59:49

want to be with me, of course not. But

59:52

again, peace. Resolve. Go

59:55

with God. Happy? No.

59:58

Okay. Well, how about this? Nick is

1:00:00

an honest guy because all three of us are

1:00:02

writers. We've all made money writing. And

1:00:05

when Nick reads her article, I love

1:00:07

it. But here's the thing. The

1:00:13

amount of wealth that I've generated, you

1:00:15

know, just starting. I

1:00:18

hear those, I got those word bucks, baby.

1:00:21

Jason, if I came up to you and you say, hey,

1:00:24

Paul, can you read this script? And I said, yeah. And I

1:00:26

read it and you said, what did you think? And I'd say,

1:00:28

it's accurate. How would you

1:00:30

feel? It's very accurate. Is that a good? I

1:00:33

think that's him saying something that

1:00:35

is like he's it's a flat

1:00:37

response. It's a flat response because

1:00:39

he's he's still struggling with every

1:00:41

scene. Nick wants to tell her,

1:00:43

I love you. And

1:00:45

he's basically saying, yes, you've written

1:00:48

what happened. You know, those

1:00:50

are you've described to the events that have

1:00:52

happened. You know, right. So

1:00:54

but like, you translated this. I

1:00:58

mean, and that like, that's what you seem like

1:01:00

the most the most the most

1:01:02

cutting line in the whole movie. It's

1:01:04

very accurate. It's very you. It's sort

1:01:06

of like going up to you after

1:01:08

you've done a play or something and saying,

1:01:10

like, wow, you learned you knew all

1:01:12

of your lines. Right.

1:01:15

That would be incredible. What what an

1:01:18

incredible. If I had all of

1:01:20

your life, my car and you said, you know,

1:01:22

that's something that people say, like, oh,

1:01:24

you wow, how did you learn? It was

1:01:26

amazing to me that you learned all of

1:01:28

those lines. It's like as an actor, that's

1:01:31

the least of of my concern. I think

1:01:33

it's more damning than that. I think it's

1:01:35

like you said all of your lines. I

1:01:37

think you did when you say to someone

1:01:39

said to me,

1:01:43

wow, you really memorized all your lines.

1:01:45

That's the bare minimum bare minimum. Then

1:01:48

then I have failed. Yeah. People in

1:01:50

this movie memorize all their life. I

1:01:52

mean, I mean, for

1:01:56

conversation, I think we would be having

1:01:58

a fundamentally different. conversation if

1:02:01

the casting had allowed for Sarah

1:02:03

and Nick to have chemistry. If

1:02:06

Sarah and Nick had chemistry, if we

1:02:08

were rooting for Sarah and Nick, if

1:02:10

we believed in Sarah and Nick, we

1:02:12

wouldn't be having this conversation. The problem

1:02:14

is, and I think June specifically what

1:02:17

you're reacting to is that they don't

1:02:19

seem like soul mates. So it feels

1:02:21

like they're settling. It feels like she's

1:02:23

being told in. In fact, she is

1:02:25

being told at one point in the

1:02:27

movie to settle. The reality

1:02:30

is their friendship should be

1:02:32

represented as something that gives her

1:02:34

all of the actual things

1:02:36

that she needs in life. While

1:02:39

in terms of emotional

1:02:41

needs, not external fireworks.

1:02:47

If they had rapport and chemistry and

1:02:49

banter, but that she was still like,

1:02:51

you're in the friend

1:02:53

zone, I'm still looking for that guy

1:02:55

that makes me feel like I got

1:02:57

hit by lightning or whatever. She

1:03:00

wants a love story and if they

1:03:02

had set up a relationship for

1:03:04

her that looked like love, even

1:03:06

if it was friendship love, that

1:03:09

she just needed to be shown this is

1:03:11

actually maybe potentially real

1:03:13

love. I want to do some of you

1:03:15

guys. We would be more on board. I

1:03:18

have the whole article here in front of me right now. Pick

1:03:21

a paragraph and I will read you a section of the article.

1:03:23

I have one. From

1:03:25

1 to 10, I will read you one of

1:03:27

the paragraph. Many

1:03:30

stories are told while sipping on

1:03:32

a Christmas mug around the fire and it's here that

1:03:34

we bond closely with friends and family, which make the

1:03:37

holidays one of the best times of the year. For

1:03:40

years, we've been saying that Christmas has become commercial

1:03:42

with too much emphasis on shopping and buying. It's

1:03:45

been a tough year for my family. Whenever my

1:03:47

mom looked over at the tree and the scattered

1:03:49

presents, she would sigh and say, there

1:03:52

won't be as much for Christmas this year.

1:03:54

Try not to be disappointed. Like,

1:03:56

this is a dark article. There's my

1:03:58

mom. I can't. Does the article

1:04:01

mom I can't I was stopped by my

1:04:03

mother's eager joyful look a look

1:04:05

I couldn't understand in my world We're receiving

1:04:07

outweighed giving by light years my mom's

1:04:09

act of selflessness was incomprehensible It was

1:04:11

a huge act Cheers filled my eyes

1:04:13

and I thought in disbelief about how

1:04:15

much my mom must love me to

1:04:17

give up her Christmas So get a

1:04:19

few more presents. This is the article

1:04:21

they wrote seems like it's not covering

1:04:23

ice skating or More

1:04:25

they did no I mean it all seems

1:04:28

like it seems like Nick's whole

1:04:30

cartoon Life is about creating

1:04:32

a cartoon of Sarah who's a real

1:04:34

grump Well, I

1:04:37

thought because he also does cartoons of

1:04:39

all of her breakups. Yeah, you know,

1:04:41

he does Sarah

1:04:45

Yeah, he's well, he's definitely like well

1:04:47

again like he has no he has

1:04:49

no point of view on himself So

1:04:51

he really just was her He's

1:04:56

not so for Nick Nick until the

1:04:58

end of the movie Nick is into

1:05:00

character in his own cartoon Well, usually

1:05:02

getting eaten by the snowman Hey,

1:05:05

that's true. I guess and at the

1:05:07

end he makes the cartoon for her

1:05:09

the cartoon series of cartoons That's about

1:05:11

them where he puts himself in place

1:05:13

of Cole and and it's like the

1:05:15

end of the painter and the thief

1:05:18

the documentary Which is an

1:05:20

incredible moment where she's painted herself into the painting

1:05:22

and I cried for like six hours I need

1:05:24

to get a couple of questions from the audience

1:05:26

here. I want to ask you one question before

1:05:28

we do that Which is simply this? Do

1:05:31

you think? If Hank

1:05:34

the snowman is real because we see Cole

1:05:36

talking to Hank in the forest is

1:05:38

the shark also real No,

1:05:41

oh God

1:05:45

No, what's the what's the logic? So

1:05:47

it's all the real the shark cuz

1:05:50

Cole has a lot of feedback for that

1:05:52

shark Yeah, or the

1:05:54

angel. I think this is I mean a

1:05:56

very good question. He doesn't talk. He talks.

1:05:58

He talks to a bunch of

1:06:00

snowmen. Yes. Right? Well,

1:06:03

I just remember one. But he doesn't talk to the... Maybe

1:06:05

it was just the one. But he

1:06:07

seems to not recognize

1:06:09

the angel or the shark as

1:06:12

like sentient, the way

1:06:14

he thinks his other... So much

1:06:18

so that he's pushing Hank's head

1:06:20

together. He's bleeding out. He's

1:06:22

bleeding out. It's like a war trauma. I

1:06:25

don't know. I don't know. Yeah, that's

1:06:27

true. It's a great question. Why

1:06:30

does he bring them fish? Why does

1:06:32

he bring them fish slop? Why

1:06:34

was that... I'm going to understand

1:06:36

that. I did not know what was going on.

1:06:39

No. Okay. First

1:06:41

of all, he's created all these lies, right? That he's from... His parents

1:06:43

are from Norway. He grew up in Norway. And

1:06:45

that's a real Ludwig or... Oh, that must have been. Yeah. So

1:06:48

he's like... That's why I think he's a liar

1:06:50

because clearly he never had that unless he has

1:06:52

been alive or unless he has been in Moscow

1:06:54

Square. And the way I kind of keep thinking

1:06:56

about it is like, is he snow or is

1:06:58

he water? Because if he's water, then did he

1:07:01

evaporate as a snowman and then go back up

1:07:03

and then come back down in the Moscow Square?

1:07:05

Like, what is going on? Jeez. You know, I

1:07:07

don't know. And

1:07:09

at the end of the movie, when he gets in that Uber,

1:07:11

like, does he melt? Well

1:07:14

that's the thing we never see. Well, what

1:07:16

I wanted... I wanted closure for Cole. I

1:07:18

wanted us to see... Here's what I want.

1:07:20

I wanted justice for Cole. The movie should

1:07:22

have ended justice for Cole. I

1:07:26

want Cole in Fast and Furious 10. Boom.

1:07:30

Here. Get him in there. I

1:07:32

think a movie should have ended with them, right?

1:07:35

Right. Kissing with

1:07:37

chemistry. Them

1:07:39

kissing, then looking out the front

1:07:41

window and the snowman is back.

1:07:44

Cole managed back. That's the last shot. Wait,

1:07:46

that's the last shot. Yeah. Oh,

1:07:48

then that's Cole. That's Cole.

1:07:50

That's Cole. Okay. That's Cole.

1:07:53

What was Cole talking to dad about? Cole.

1:07:56

Really talked to dad for a long time. Remember? Remember

1:07:58

dad is like, oh, you guys didn't make a... Snowman right he's

1:08:00

um and and and the snowman is that

1:08:03

they made the night before has gone It's

1:08:05

turned into coal so this is coal turned

1:08:07

back into the I would have liked a

1:08:09

moment where Sarah and Nick look and go

1:08:12

Cole right you mean like something you need

1:08:15

to understand And then they go then they

1:08:17

go and they like beat the shit out

1:08:19

of it with a baseball bat And they're

1:08:21

like you mother fucker

1:08:23

fuck that I fuck that man

1:08:25

I don't think but

1:08:28

no Yeah,

1:08:32

I don't think Cole had a dick. I do think

1:08:35

he had a dick, but no because On

1:08:38

the so I don't understand that that works, but if it

1:08:41

was a freezing cold dick it had to be everything I

1:08:43

mean I have cold fingers, but I'm not a snowman

1:08:45

man abs so he had a snowman

1:08:47

didn't have hair So many

1:08:49

know what those no man doesn't even wear the shirt

1:08:51

that she puts on him She put the blue shirt

1:08:53

on him, and he wears a red shirt. He doesn't

1:08:55

have a carrot for a nose He has a hand

1:08:57

sicker give him a cell phone Gardens

1:09:00

give me something all right. Let's go to let's go

1:09:03

to the crowd Tag

1:09:07

does he have a dick yeah, I want the All

1:09:09

right is this dick a carrot. It's possum New York

1:09:12

ass no They would have put it there right so

1:09:14

if it's not there. It's it's nothing Okay, but I

1:09:16

think they would have had to have put a carrot

1:09:18

where the dick is for him to have had a

1:09:20

human dick June I didn't mean to cut you off. What

1:09:22

were you saying? Well manuel I was gonna

1:09:24

say my question There's so

1:09:26

many frames in this home of and

1:09:29

pictures Oh in his home in

1:09:31

the bank vault I'm sorry in Sarah's home in

1:09:33

the bank vault of them as little

1:09:35

kids with snowmen Do them

1:09:37

up for holidays though is that like a thing

1:09:39

like we take out the Christmas dolls for holidays

1:09:41

Did they take out the the special snow portraits

1:09:44

for holidays or they

1:09:46

up all year round? I think those

1:09:48

I think that's just that their lives

1:09:51

are so sad that these are the

1:09:53

stories These are the pictures of their

1:09:55

life is that they take a

1:09:57

selfie every year with a

1:10:00

representation of a giant-ass iPad not

1:10:02

a phone. Yes a

1:10:04

representation of her idealized man. And

1:10:06

she puts that as a screen

1:10:08

saver. There's

1:10:10

a lot of in the chat a lot of people are saying yes

1:10:12

he has a dick. Alright some more questions from the chat let's see

1:10:14

what else we have here. Alright next

1:10:16

question from the chat is this Natalie

1:10:19

asks do the star eyes mean he's a

1:10:21

spirit or an alien or a ghost from

1:10:23

space inhabiting a snowman or is that magic

1:10:26

from the universe bringing to life I easy

1:10:28

possessed or activated yes is the question is

1:10:30

he a demon we don't know thank you Natalie

1:10:32

we don't know what he is.

1:10:34

They don't examine the magic of it

1:10:37

at all which is I think foolish

1:10:39

the way that like a nutty Christmas

1:10:41

and other things we need a line.

1:10:43

Right Jack Frost? Jack

1:10:46

Frost I'd rather have no dad than snow dad or

1:10:49

I'd rather have a snow dad than no dad. Snow

1:10:51

dad than no dad yeah. But the other thing

1:10:53

is like when they when she finds out

1:10:55

from her dad that the their snowman has

1:10:57

disappeared overnight and she's like so angry and

1:10:59

she's running out and she assumes like kids

1:11:02

have fucked with it we never get to

1:11:04

see what was left there. Like

1:11:07

we never get to see the remnants of the

1:11:11

original snowman because he's just

1:11:13

at the door. Cole is at the door. What do

1:11:15

you think to her? With the scarf that they

1:11:17

put on the show. Which takes away the magical

1:11:19

part of it because in my mind he should

1:11:21

have worn that scarf the whole movie so he

1:11:23

like it that like them again it like we

1:11:26

don't know what the magic is. We were tracking

1:11:28

a lot of different scarves. I

1:11:31

mean by the way that guy never wears a jacket he

1:11:33

must have been a freezing cold actor. God bless the

1:11:36

actor of what's his name? Jesse

1:11:39

Hodge. He's working his ass off

1:11:41

he's making choices he's working his

1:11:43

ass off to give Cole some

1:11:45

kind of a vibe which he

1:11:48

has. Which I very much appreciate.

1:11:51

I love 15 degrees. I

1:11:54

laughed out loud when he's fighting.

1:11:56

But what I couldn't figure out is how does he

1:11:58

have a cell phone? Or how is it?

1:12:00

By the way, how does he... How is he going back to his

1:12:02

house? How does

1:12:04

he understand how anything works? How is he calling an Uber? How

1:12:07

is he getting tickets to Paris? How is he making a mooncake?

1:12:10

He's not the string, he can't really. Molly, I have

1:12:12

a passport. Next question from the audience. What do we

1:12:14

got here? Maddie

1:12:16

the cat asked, Sarah, I don't want romance,

1:12:18

I want love. Sarah says, I don't want

1:12:20

romance, I want love. What does that mean?

1:12:24

That romance and love are mutually exclusive. What

1:12:26

does that mean? I

1:12:28

don't want romance, I want

1:12:30

love. I think what he's saying

1:12:33

is... It's inside of what the father is saying to

1:12:35

her, where he's like, yes, when I saw your mother

1:12:37

in the red scarf, it was

1:12:39

like a lightning bolt hit me. But then,

1:12:41

when that faded, real love kind of

1:12:43

took over. And what she

1:12:45

was saying is, I'm ready for real

1:12:48

love, not... Listen, talk

1:12:50

about two... ...the swept off my face, blah,

1:12:52

blah, blah. Talk about two things are possible.

1:12:54

Two things can be true at one time.

1:12:57

This movie is setting up a world

1:12:59

in which you can't have both. That's

1:13:02

the problem with it. The moral

1:13:05

of the story, if it's a Hallmark movie or

1:13:07

ABC family movie, I don't know what kind of

1:13:09

movie it is, is saying to the audience, hey,

1:13:11

look, I know you want to

1:13:13

travel. I know you want to have a

1:13:15

better life. I know you want to move out of your

1:13:17

small town, get out of the house with your dad. I

1:13:20

know you want your own place. The message is,

1:13:22

your life is enough. You

1:13:26

have everything you need. And love it. Don't

1:13:29

aspire to more. Don't

1:13:32

aspire to more. Don't dream. Don't dream is the

1:13:34

answer. And here you go, this is the question

1:13:36

from people... Or

1:13:38

follow through on your dream. I would have loved her

1:13:40

to go to Paris. Why couldn't she

1:13:42

go to Paris for a week? What

1:13:45

if Cole would have said, when they broke up there,

1:13:48

and Cole went over to Nick and said, here's

1:13:51

to Paris, take her. That would

1:13:53

have been a better ending to me, too. Listen,

1:13:55

I wish we had that ending. To me, I

1:13:57

don't care how great Nick is. care

1:14:00

what she's realizing. I cannot get on

1:14:02

board with this woman not going to

1:14:05

Paris. That's

1:14:08

insane for seven days. Like, what?

1:14:13

If a friend of yours was like 48 hours

1:14:15

ago, a stranger showed up on

1:14:17

my doorstep, took it to

1:14:20

lunch in a carriage where

1:14:22

he did not eat. He

1:14:24

tried to sell my home

1:14:26

and has now invited me

1:14:28

to Paris. Should I go?

1:14:32

Also, I'm in love with him. No.

1:14:35

Okay. You're advising this person to

1:14:37

go. This person's a... Cole

1:14:40

presents as a murderer. Yes. He has no

1:14:42

family. He has no family, no background. She

1:14:44

can get nothing. Paris? I would trust... He's

1:14:46

un-Googleable. You can't Google Cole. Did you ever

1:14:48

do that, June? I want to know. Did

1:14:50

you ever do that? Did someone at your

1:14:53

bar come up to you and say, let's

1:14:55

go to Paris and would

1:14:57

you just jump in? No. No. I

1:14:59

wish that it happened to me. If someone

1:15:01

had come up to me who I was

1:15:03

attracted to, in love with, and

1:15:06

said, let's go to Paris together for

1:15:08

seven days, I

1:15:10

have a ticket, it's booked, there's no

1:15:12

way I wouldn't have

1:15:14

gone. I did not and

1:15:16

I cannot get on board with her not

1:15:18

going, even if she wants to come back

1:15:20

and explore what's going on over here. Wow.

1:15:22

You never had a snowman. You never had a snowman. I

1:15:25

never had a snowman. All right. Let's get another question. This one

1:15:30

actually comes with a video clip. Let's take a look at

1:15:32

this. Lucky the pizza dog asked, what was the deal with

1:15:34

Sarah's boss? Was she an alien attempting to replicate human interaction?

1:15:36

Let's take a look at this clip of the boss. Here

1:15:39

we go. I love it. You

1:15:41

do? Oh yeah. Perfect. Okay.

1:15:45

So what exactly is perfect about it? Young

1:15:47

love, the carriage ride, a

1:15:50

staple of downtown St. Paul. I

1:15:52

mean, that is your story idea,

1:15:54

right? Exploring the traditional

1:15:56

fun, romantic things young couples can do

1:15:59

in the community. Twin Cities at Christmas time.

1:16:03

I mean, obviously that's what we

1:16:05

were going for. OK, so watching

1:16:09

that clip, I realize she's thinking eye contact with no

1:16:11

one. I also noticed that for the decoration on the

1:16:13

table, it's like a vase with candy canes in it.

1:16:16

But that that actually was really unnerving to watch that

1:16:18

close. She is not looking at either one of them.

1:16:21

And she also feels like she might be magic. Yeah.

1:16:23

Oh, wow. I mean, listen,

1:16:26

she seems unwell. The thing that I

1:16:28

love about all of these movies and

1:16:30

Lifetime Christmas movies in general is that

1:16:32

there's not one frame,

1:16:34

not a one, where you

1:16:37

don't see somewhere in the frame

1:16:39

a Christmas ornament, a

1:16:41

garland, a something. They're

1:16:45

everywhere. Even when they're in the woods.

1:16:47

I know, but it's like even when they were

1:16:49

building snow creatures, there

1:16:52

were the trees had red

1:16:54

bows on them. They

1:16:56

were decorated. By

1:16:59

the way, Devin, our amazing, our

1:17:02

amazing Devin says that is the Devin

1:17:04

who lived in Minnesota, worst

1:17:06

attempt at a Minnesota accent I've ever heard.

1:17:09

So this is something coming from where you

1:17:11

can speak to Truth the Power here. I

1:17:14

would have loved for there to have

1:17:16

been more life for the rest of

1:17:19

the townspeople, the other people that they

1:17:21

worked for, the dad and the old

1:17:23

man that he works with. I would

1:17:25

have loved for a because this movie

1:17:27

felt so thin. I would have

1:17:30

loved for there to have been depth by using

1:17:32

some of these other characters. As a result,

1:17:34

having a B or a C story would

1:17:36

have been really interesting and made would have

1:17:38

made the movie a lot more enjoyable

1:17:41

as it was. It was I enjoyed. By

1:17:43

the way, can you imagine what this would

1:17:46

have been like, though, in the hands of

1:17:48

one of the great, you know, one of

1:17:50

the great actresses of our time, Melissa Joan

1:17:52

Hart. I mean, we have Mario Lopez. Give

1:17:56

me a hug. No,

1:18:00

man, I wouldn't recast him for Mario

1:18:02

Lopez. That's fine. By the way, but

1:18:05

yeah, I mean now We did Jesse hutch does a

1:18:07

great job But I think Mario Lopez as Nick would

1:18:09

have been great too. We want a little bit of

1:18:12

competition I think that you know

1:18:14

interesting Hudgens in this role would be great I

1:18:16

think how Hudgens should have a would have knocked

1:18:18

it out of no member would have knocked it

1:18:20

out of the park I'm gonna tell you though.

1:18:23

You think that this is a low-budget movie. This

1:18:25

movie cost 140 million dollars That's

1:18:28

Emma Roberts put Emma Roberts in this

1:18:38

The actors Doing

1:18:44

the best they could they were simply

1:18:46

not oh yeah, and the chemistry wasn't

1:18:48

there You know and you really did

1:18:51

need it I

1:18:53

would have I would have loved it if Nick

1:18:55

fell in love with elk jerky lady I

1:19:01

wanted I wanted more life for elk

1:19:03

so elk jerky lady is like the

1:19:05

is the is the Stars

1:19:08

Hollow, you know like one of the

1:19:10

characters could the Kurt in stars hollow

1:19:13

like give me give Together

1:19:17

though Jason Cuz

1:19:19

he's too boring both redheads And

1:19:23

they can't they cancel each other out June did say to

1:19:25

me she whispered in the middle of the movie she said

1:19:29

Well, yeah, tell her you said there you

1:19:32

ever seen two redheads together Wow

1:19:40

the chat is by the way

1:19:42

shipping Isabella Nick they like Isabella

1:19:44

Nick But we know they could

1:19:46

never work, you know, I could

1:19:49

never work That is

1:19:51

a shocking clip. He He's

1:19:54

just when I said to Paul or watching

1:19:56

it I was like if you look closely at Nick

1:19:58

like he's just on the run verge of being

1:20:00

a redhead. Like he's like right

1:20:03

on the edge, you know,

1:20:05

in certain lighting in certain rooms,

1:20:07

like in my lighting right now, he'd

1:20:10

be a redhead in policy probably wouldn't

1:20:12

be, but he

1:20:14

is a redhead. You know, at

1:20:16

the end of the day, they wouldn't,

1:20:18

you know, they could not disagree. I'm

1:20:21

not trying to I'm not disagreeing vis

1:20:23

a vis the redheads with

1:20:26

two redheads falling in love. I

1:20:29

there is I mean, I will

1:20:32

say Mr. And Mrs. Weasley are

1:20:34

both redheads. They are they are

1:20:36

the personification. They are the personification

1:20:38

of true love. And

1:20:41

it produced a series of redheaded children

1:20:43

who are listen, you

1:20:46

know, did we watch them fall in

1:20:48

love? No, when I watch a movie

1:20:50

in which they do fall in love.

1:20:52

Yes. Do I want to watch some

1:20:54

fuck? Absolutely. Let's let's let's see. We haven't

1:20:56

seen it. Clearly, we have an

1:20:58

opinion about a lot of things, including redheads

1:21:01

and gingers. But there are people out there

1:21:03

with a different opinion about this movie is

1:21:05

now time for second opinions. And here are

1:21:07

some second opinion themes that were sent in

1:21:10

by our listeners. Take a look. Second

1:21:13

opinions that are

1:21:15

found on Amazon. This

1:21:18

movie was shit, but they say

1:21:20

it's legit. So let's hear them

1:21:22

from Tall John. Great

1:21:25

one. All right. Here's that was Pam

1:21:27

Rose. Let's hear from Tom McWaters. I

1:21:30

know you think this movie sucks.

1:21:32

I couldn't give 1000 bucks.

1:21:35

So take it with a

1:21:37

brain of Jim is

1:21:41

my second

1:21:45

opinion. I

1:21:47

love. Yeah, great. I

1:21:49

love Tom. I love. Yeah, they are

1:21:53

great. Tom does a bunch of songs of

1:21:55

the show. Pam's puppet work there was great.

1:21:57

We'll end with Lacey also from the discord.

1:22:00

Here's Lacey's song. There was

1:22:02

a snowman who turned into a new

1:22:04

king. He

1:22:06

was scared of carrots and he just couldn't

1:22:09

bear it to her clothes in front

1:22:11

of the fire. He likes

1:22:13

buttons, he likes winter coals, his

1:22:15

name no lie. Born

1:22:17

in the snow and the children know,

1:22:19

he calls every one little guy.

1:22:22

Amazing. That was Lacey. I also love to

1:22:25

get two trees. Two trees. Junior, big

1:22:27

fan of two trees. You want a tree in the bedroom, a

1:22:29

tree in the living room? Jason,

1:22:31

you have any trees in your house? I have a

1:22:33

tree. I have a tree in the living room. I

1:22:36

just have a single tree. Do you put lights and decorations or just

1:22:38

lights? Well,

1:22:40

here's what I'll say. Normally, I would

1:22:42

have a

1:22:45

real tree with lights and

1:22:47

ornaments, but because of pandemic

1:22:49

times, last year I

1:22:51

got a fake tree that has lights and

1:22:53

so I've been using that last year. Lights

1:22:55

and ornaments. But this one

1:22:58

happens to be fake, which I don't love. Okay.

1:23:01

I will say this. There are 119 total reviews

1:23:03

of this movie. 60%

1:23:06

are five-star. 3% are one-star. So

1:23:10

people love this movie. I only have three

1:23:12

reviews. I'll read them very quickly from

1:23:15

retired Soldier Sailor. They

1:23:18

write, like I said, I buy

1:23:21

a lot of Christmas movies. I

1:23:24

enjoyed the heck out of this one. Buy

1:23:27

it. You'll like it. Nuff

1:23:30

said. Five-stars. And

1:23:33

the title is I buy a

1:23:36

lot of Christmas movies, but this one is

1:23:38

different. This

1:23:42

one is from Tom F. B. Tom

1:23:44

F. B. writes this. Too

1:23:47

close to people to

1:23:49

realize you love

1:23:51

them. Five-stars. No

1:23:54

title. That was

1:23:56

a little wow. I feel like that

1:23:58

one emotionally connected. And finally. from

1:24:00

ButterflyMom54. I love

1:24:03

this movie. I love snowmen. I

1:24:06

collect them. I love snowmen.

1:24:10

However, I passed this movie over a

1:24:12

few times. The trailer did not appeal

1:24:14

to me, but I decided

1:24:16

to give it a go. It was the best $3.99 I have spent

1:24:18

in a long

1:24:20

time. The beginning was a

1:24:22

little slow and silly, but all of

1:24:25

a sudden the movie took an unexpected

1:24:27

turn and the results were hilarious to

1:24:29

me. I kept on laughing and I

1:24:31

love Jesse Hutch in this movie. He

1:24:33

is really funny. If you watch it,

1:24:36

you will know why I love this movie and why I

1:24:38

mentioned that I love snowmen. I think

1:24:40

this is a good movie for

1:24:42

a guy and a girlfriend to

1:24:44

watch or two females. So

1:24:47

this is either a guy-girl movie or

1:24:49

a guy-guy movie. This is definitely like

1:24:51

seeing Jesse in one very revealing scene.

1:24:53

Not going to give it away. What

1:24:55

I did not like

1:24:57

and I tried and it tried my patience

1:25:00

was the way that that male

1:25:02

friend was so jealous. That girlfriend

1:25:04

was so clueless and the boss

1:25:07

was so weird, but kind of

1:25:09

funny. The part with Jesse Hutch

1:25:11

were my favorite. So funny and

1:25:13

so unexpected. I do not see

1:25:15

this as a family movie as

1:25:17

it is an adult-themed but clean.

1:25:21

I just don't see young ones being

1:25:23

interested. Maybe a young husband and a

1:25:25

wife. Older couples would probably roll their

1:25:27

eyes. I did not see this

1:25:29

as a romance movie as much as a study in

1:25:32

relationships. Good graphic art

1:25:34

seems to enjoy five

1:25:36

stars and the review is titled

1:25:39

a fun frosty story. But now

1:25:41

there's one review that I

1:25:43

thought was actually really interesting and

1:25:47

it is from the UK

1:25:49

and is by Jessica

1:25:52

Sinclair. Take a look. What? Oh

1:25:56

boy, here we go. Hi, I'm Jessica.

1:25:58

I'm so sorry. that I

1:26:00

can't be with you tonight. I

1:26:02

love watching Christmas movies with you guys, so

1:26:04

this is breaking my heart. Paul

1:26:07

did send me the trailer of

1:26:09

Snowman and asked for my thoughts.

1:26:11

Now I don't know the full

1:26:13

plot of the movie but that has never stopped

1:26:15

me weighing in in the past. Just

1:26:19

my main takeaway is the moment

1:26:21

I saw

1:26:23

that Snowman, I

1:26:25

knew this was gonna be a movie

1:26:28

about a woman who wants to fuck

1:26:30

an inanimate object. And

1:26:32

listen, I'm as sex positive as

1:26:34

the next gal but you show

1:26:36

me a human being who gets

1:26:38

off on the snowman. That's

1:26:41

just, it doesn't exist because

1:26:43

the entire movie I'm concerned with what's

1:26:45

going on downstairs. It was the same

1:26:48

problem I had with that Nutcracker movie

1:26:50

when we were talking about, is it

1:26:52

a smooth, wooden...

1:26:55

Here I'm like, is it made of ice?

1:26:58

Is it stripped? These are

1:27:00

the things that I can't let

1:27:02

go. A couple

1:27:05

other things just, you know, again

1:27:07

on the superficial side, the

1:27:10

actor who plays Cole who is forced

1:27:13

to take his shirt off at a bonfire,

1:27:16

which I initially thought was maybe he had like

1:27:18

a like a fever, you know,

1:27:20

that was causing him to be delirious. He

1:27:24

violates, again I

1:27:26

hate to say this but what I

1:27:28

like to call the Mario Lopez rule that

1:27:30

we set out in that Melissa

1:27:32

Joan Hart movie where everybody had the

1:27:35

exploding diarrhea during

1:27:37

filming. And that is,

1:27:39

I want my actors in

1:27:42

my Hall of Fame. No

1:27:44

hair or all hair in the

1:27:46

world. He had a kind of

1:27:48

smattering and it looked, you know, like they

1:27:50

trimmed it up and I appreciated that. But

1:27:52

that is violating a key rule for me.

1:27:54

I want, and you know what, honestly, I want

1:27:57

my men's hair with. Okay? I

1:28:00

do. In those movies, I want them to

1:28:02

have no hair at all. One

1:28:05

last thing to say. I'm

1:28:07

a woman who loves the olden days.

1:28:11

And I've

1:28:13

seen enough carriage

1:28:15

rides now in these movies

1:28:17

to know that I

1:28:20

don't want that. And I certainly don't

1:28:23

want someone picking me up at work

1:28:25

in a horse-drawn carriage. It's

1:28:27

a red flag. It's just so

1:28:30

many red flags in this movie. So anyway,

1:28:33

I'm sure there's much more disturbing

1:28:35

things in this film. And I

1:28:37

can't wait to listen and listen

1:28:39

for all of you out there who would

1:28:42

fuck a snowman. Please let me know. I'd

1:28:44

love to have my mind opened about it.

1:28:47

And I'm sending all my love. Bye.

1:28:51

There she is. The queen of

1:28:53

Christmas. She is just too much.

1:28:55

She's the greatest. But in only watching the trailer

1:28:58

nailed so many things. I

1:29:00

didn't drill down on the hair

1:29:02

on his chest, but I think

1:29:04

she's right. It wasn't. I

1:29:06

think for Hallmark, it's easier for

1:29:08

us gals to just have a

1:29:10

more sort of Ken doll like

1:29:13

experience and keep the whole

1:29:15

thing sanitized. These sanitized

1:29:17

is right. These Hallmark and Lifetime

1:29:19

and like the kind of these

1:29:21

this style of. But

1:29:24

one of the notes I made was like

1:29:26

I really and maybe this is just like

1:29:28

a different type of a movie. I want

1:29:30

this movie to have like sex,

1:29:32

not like a sex scene. But I

1:29:34

want to believe I want I

1:29:37

want exactly I want to believe

1:29:39

that Sarah and Cole, as they're

1:29:41

falling in love, that that attraction

1:29:43

and physical demonstrations of that

1:29:45

love are part of it. Like I'm not

1:29:47

going to go to Paris with someone if

1:29:49

I've if I don't know if we are

1:29:51

good and part. Yeah, if we are if

1:29:54

I don't want to get to Paris and be

1:29:56

like, oh, he's like does that thing where he

1:29:58

jams his tongue in my mouth. the whole time

1:30:00

or whatever like if I'm Sarah I'm like let

1:30:02

me yeah let me let me figure

1:30:04

this out he seems to be cold-blooded so

1:30:07

let me figure out if I can if

1:30:09

we have a sexual chemist I would have liked a lot of the

1:30:11

last one of the movie would have been like and when we fucked

1:30:13

it was weird yeah but let

1:30:15

me know or is she

1:30:17

or Nick is like do you think

1:30:20

that wait do you think that Cole

1:30:22

was the snowman and she's like well

1:30:24

his dick was an icicle

1:30:27

so or he did he did come

1:30:30

freezing cold slush I

1:30:34

don't know I

1:30:36

mean I think we unpacked a lot here

1:30:38

there's no mythology to break apart because we

1:30:40

don't know if Cole could exist in this

1:30:42

world Jason Stane the Cole never was supposed

1:30:45

to exist in this world I

1:30:47

mean there's so there's so much I want to

1:30:49

just talk to you about the writer of this

1:30:52

movie the Blaine Chappetta writes

1:30:54

two types of movies according to our

1:30:56

research guru Nick Kiley who

1:30:59

did the Lord's work in finding research on this movie

1:31:02

that has 25% of rotten tomatoes the

1:31:05

he says that Blaine writes two movies

1:31:07

movies that are called dangerous

1:31:09

lessons you may now kill the

1:31:11

bride nanny surveillance

1:31:15

and and the deadly

1:31:17

assistant and then movies like Last

1:31:21

Vermont Christmas the Christmas

1:31:23

Pact the perfect Christmas present always

1:31:26

and forever Christmas and then

1:31:28

the jingle bell prisoners so like he's

1:31:30

going between hardcore most likely to murder

1:31:33

jingle bell princess so he's going back

1:31:35

and forth he just switches off between

1:31:37

a murder film and a Christmas film

1:31:39

every year and that's kind of that

1:31:42

is kind of thing in the tagline this would

1:31:44

be I'll say it we say it every year

1:31:46

well somebody just has

1:31:48

the courage you cowards they have a foot

1:31:51

in they've tried to put us in one

1:31:53

of their mice they have tried I want

1:31:55

to be honest I just it just hasn't

1:31:57

gotten to you hasn't gotten to you we

1:32:00

We were asked to attach

1:32:02

ourselves to a film

1:32:04

before. We want the film to be

1:32:06

picked up. We

1:32:09

can't go and pitch this thing. Hallmark's

1:32:12

gotta come to us and say like, you

1:32:14

got a green light. Here's the keys. And

1:32:17

the problem is like, it probably can't

1:32:19

be Hallmark because it's gonna have to

1:32:21

have nudity. I mean,

1:32:23

you have to. And hair. Yes,

1:32:25

hair and nudity. All of which is me.

1:32:29

To be clear, all of which is me. I

1:32:31

am bringing the hair and the nudity. You're the

1:32:33

writer, yeah, where it's like, you're gonna see all

1:32:35

the hair and all the nudity. I

1:32:37

wanna go, I wanna, to edit. You

1:32:40

will have no, I wanna play, I

1:32:42

wanna play the snowman that comes to

1:32:44

life and I wanna show you this

1:32:46

snowman has a dick. If

1:32:48

you are wondering, here it is. HBO

1:32:51

Max snowman's movie. I wanna just end

1:32:53

on this one question because I think

1:32:55

this is a great way to round rob in the

1:32:57

end here, you covered a lot of stuff here from

1:32:59

Brandon. Can you pop up Brandon's question

1:33:01

on screen? Brandon asks, who's the most redeeming character

1:33:03

in this movie and why is it Herb? Herb

1:33:07

is the father's assistant, is that right?

1:33:09

I believe it is. I

1:33:12

mean, I agree. The father's assistant. I love that

1:33:14

character. The death man who works, or hard of

1:33:16

hearing man. The guy who was just kind of

1:33:18

like sweeping or doing whatever in the background of

1:33:20

the wood shop. I love, I just, I enjoyed

1:33:22

and that they were like, he was like, I

1:33:24

can't let him go or something like that. I

1:33:26

don't know, I was obsessed with that guy, yes.

1:33:28

I think that Herb is the most. All the

1:33:30

side characters were the most interesting people

1:33:33

in the movie. Truly. I

1:33:35

wanna believe that the jerky was something that that

1:33:37

actress came up with and they're like, yeah, yeah,

1:33:39

yeah, keep that, keep that. Like she made a

1:33:41

choice and they put it in. I mean, she

1:33:44

was really great. I liked her so much. This

1:33:46

is a movie, if I'm gonna continue to compare

1:33:48

it to Gilmore Girls, it's a movie in which

1:33:50

everybody's deemed. All right, well, this is great.

1:33:52

Would you recommend this movie Jason June? What do you think?

1:33:55

Sure, I mean, it's something to

1:33:57

honestly, it's something. to

1:34:00

be seen as something to behold. Um,

1:34:03

you know, and that's all I'll say about

1:34:05

that. I did enjoy watching this movie very,

1:34:08

very much. And there are a couple

1:34:10

of really funny moments, like when he's pretending to be a

1:34:12

snowman and not pretending when he

1:34:14

is, he is being himself and falls

1:34:17

back on his instincts. It's

1:34:19

really quite funny. Um,

1:34:21

the movie doesn't of course, like amount

1:34:24

to anything, but there's some wild stuff

1:34:26

in here and I enjoyed the

1:34:28

hell out of it. Yeah.

1:34:31

Jason, I agree. I agree with June.

1:34:33

I feel very similarly. While

1:34:35

not as, while not

1:34:37

as fun, perhaps as some of the

1:34:39

other, like we've been saying a very

1:34:41

nutty Christmas or some of the other

1:34:43

holiday and handcuffs, those I

1:34:45

think were better, better

1:34:48

iterations of this kind of a movie.

1:34:51

This is a little bit worse, but I

1:34:53

still, I had a blast. I think it's

1:34:55

like for the sake of the podcast, absolutely.

1:34:58

But, but, but there are other Christmas movies

1:35:00

that I suspect might be a little

1:35:03

bit more fun. Let me posit this.

1:35:06

I will say this. I'll say this movie is

1:35:08

more of a drama than it is a comedy.

1:35:10

The other movies like understand they're being fun and

1:35:12

I don't think that this movie had the same

1:35:15

sense of playfulness. I think it was played a

1:35:17

little bit too straight. That's my point of view.

1:35:19

I enjoyed it, but I think that that's what

1:35:21

was missing from it. Like it didn't seem fun.

1:35:24

Here's what I'll say as to

1:35:26

amend my point is if I

1:35:28

had just watched this movie and

1:35:30

not gotten to have this conversation

1:35:32

or if I'm somebody in the audience to have

1:35:34

listened to this conversation, if I just turned it

1:35:36

on and watched the movie, I think I would

1:35:38

be disappointed. I will tell you this much. You

1:35:41

don't have any? Without any? Yes.

1:35:43

June and I have a movie that we have planned for

1:35:45

next Christmas already because we stumbled upon it because

1:35:48

our child selected it over

1:35:51

Thanksgiving. I feel like these movies are

1:35:53

for us to do. You mean a

1:35:55

hard needle, a hard needle to thread.

1:35:57

But you're right. Like it is. It

1:36:00

is not as insane as it should be,

1:36:02

nor as funny as it should be, but yet

1:36:04

it is interesting because it's confounding. Like it's like,

1:36:06

and I think that that, like it's, there's

1:36:08

something about, yeah. All these movies always play

1:36:10

it safe so that they

1:36:12

can just be like family friendly,

1:36:15

safe, safe, safe, nothing sexual, nothing

1:36:17

dirty, not even any like intimations

1:36:19

of stuff, nothing. I would,

1:36:21

I would, you know, it's, I

1:36:23

don't know. I, again, I wished, I was

1:36:26

missing Melissa Joan Hart.

1:36:28

I was missing, so I wish,

1:36:31

I found myself being elated when

1:36:33

the elk jerky would

1:36:35

come on or when the boss would be

1:36:38

on or when the other characters were

1:36:40

there to kind of enliven. It was

1:36:42

Cole. Otherwise, it was Cole. Yeah, Cole's

1:36:44

doing good stuff, you know. But by

1:36:46

the way, she also didn't have chemistry

1:36:49

with Cole. Agree. No,

1:36:51

I mean, Cole was doing something. You know.

1:36:53

Cole was doing something. And they're all, they're

1:36:55

all working hard. They're all working their asses

1:36:57

off in the constructs. In the confines of

1:37:00

the rules of the movie, which is tough,

1:37:02

you know, like it's not a lot. There's

1:37:04

like, like we said, I think there's six

1:37:06

or seven speaking roles. There's no extras. There's

1:37:08

very little happening in this movie to work with.

1:37:10

I'm just saying as an actor, I think there's

1:37:12

very little happening. Everyone's making their own choices. Everyone's

1:37:15

doing their own thing. And now we would have

1:37:17

surprised you that Lars Van Trew directed this. Amazing.

1:37:21

It would. It's a dog, it adheres to

1:37:23

the Dogma 95 rule. I

1:37:25

will say this, June, we talk about

1:37:27

joking around about being a Christmas movie. June,

1:37:29

you are in a Christmas movie and a

1:37:31

very good Christmas movie. And it's on HBO

1:37:33

Max right now. And if you've

1:37:36

not seen it, I just want to promote it and

1:37:38

just say that June's fantastic. And the movie is really,

1:37:40

really, really good. So you've done it. You've done it

1:37:42

before any of us in getting in

1:37:44

a Christmas film. I have gotten

1:37:46

in a Christmas film and I will

1:37:49

say it is a

1:37:51

great movie. It's a great Christmas movie. Called

1:37:53

8-Bit Christmas. It's on

1:37:55

HBO Max. And you can stream

1:37:57

it now. And watch. over

1:38:00

the house is Neil Patrick Harris,

1:38:02

Steve Zahn. David Cross is

1:38:04

in it and it's just funny,

1:38:08

warm, and just

1:38:11

delivers on everything you want from

1:38:13

it. And our children have watched it at

1:38:15

least 30 times, like at least a minimum of 30 times. That's

1:38:20

great. I just watched the trailer for it and

1:38:23

it also had like real, it

1:38:25

felt like real, nostalgia vibes. It felt

1:38:27

like a kind of Christmas movie that

1:38:29

we grew up with. It's very much

1:38:31

like what I think

1:38:33

the Christmas story was to our

1:38:35

parents, like reminiscing about the 50s.

1:38:37

This feels like the same idea.

1:38:40

I'm so excited to watch it

1:38:42

to kind of wash away

1:38:46

snowman. It'll be a great

1:38:49

chaser. Yes, exactly. Jason, what

1:38:51

do you want to talk about? Oh, nothing

1:38:54

really. If

1:38:56

you're not watching Star Trek Prodigy, watch it. It's

1:38:58

a wonderful animated Star Trek show. So good. And

1:39:00

you're great in that show, Jason. Oh,

1:39:04

thanks so much. And that's about it. Everybody,

1:39:06

it's that time of year. So if you

1:39:08

find yourself in the position where you can

1:39:11

give money, there's a lot of great deserving

1:39:13

places that need those donations right now. So

1:39:15

get to work with that out there. I'll

1:39:18

mention one of those. Seeing America is one of those great organizations. I

1:39:20

actually work with them today. They do

1:39:22

a great job for people who are

1:39:24

food insecure, and they are just an

1:39:26

amazing organization that has throughout

1:39:29

this entire pandemic seen their numbers

1:39:31

rise to such a high level

1:39:33

and have stepped up and met

1:39:35

that challenge and continue to meet

1:39:37

that challenge. And it's

1:39:40

all through the generosity of so many

1:39:42

people giving money and volunteering

1:39:44

their time. And to work with them

1:39:46

today was a really amazing opportunity. I

1:39:48

will say also

1:39:52

not that it's well, just plug it

1:39:54

because why not? Pace

1:39:56

magazine released their 20 favorite comedies

1:39:59

a year in this movie. did over

1:40:01

the year called Happily was on that and I think

1:40:03

it was a nice reminder that if you have not

1:40:05

seen Happily it's streaming. It defies kind

1:40:07

of a definition. It's a romance, it's a

1:40:09

thriller, it's a horror movie, and

1:40:11

it's a friends hanging out movie. It's all in

1:40:13

one kind of a weird lynching thriller kind of

1:40:16

thing. Oh and Paul plugging one

1:40:18

other thing. I know these plugs are going along

1:40:20

but I just wanted to invite

1:40:23

our listeners because so many of the How does

1:40:26

this get made listeners came to our Jane

1:40:28

Club virtual summit

1:40:32

last year and we are just

1:40:35

announced our third virtual summit. It's going to be in

1:40:37

2022 on January 22nd.

1:40:39

It's called New Year New Jane. It's a time

1:40:42

to kind of set

1:40:44

some New Year's resolutions and tensions

1:40:46

within community. It's a really,

1:40:48

really incredible day of writing, reflecting,

1:40:50

we have different topics and it's

1:40:53

just absolutely restorative and wonderful.

1:40:55

So we just put the tickets

1:40:58

on our website if you head to janeclub.com and

1:41:00

click on special events and

1:41:02

then head to New Year New Jane. The

1:41:04

tickets are now available. I

1:41:07

love all this. Thank you guys for

1:41:09

listening. Our month of Christmas continues. On

1:41:11

Christmas Eve we'll be releasing the last

1:41:13

episode of this podcast which is

1:41:15

the episode that Jessica Sinclair forgot to record.

1:41:19

So we have figured out our

1:41:21

brilliant engineer Devin has pieced together something that

1:41:24

sounds about right. It may not be perfect

1:41:26

but it sounds about right but that's our

1:41:28

Christmas gift there. It's the night before Christmas

1:41:31

and that will be coming out Christmas Eve.

1:41:33

T Public right now if you go to

1:41:35

tpublic.com you can get 30%

1:41:37

all How does this get made sure. It's

1:41:39

a big, big thank you to our producer

1:41:42

Cody Fisher, our sound engineer Devin Bryant

1:41:44

and of course our producer Molly Reynolds. All three of

1:41:46

them working late on a Friday night. We appreciate you

1:41:48

but I also want to give a shout out to

1:41:51

our special amazing

1:41:54

person who runs the whole show here, Kaela

1:41:56

Miller who is doing shit

1:41:58

in the chat pulling up video clips. activating

1:42:01

everything. Kayla, thank you so much for

1:42:03

making the show run incredibly flawlessly. And