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Hello,

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and welcome to hysteria. I'm

4:59

Erin Ryan, and I'm Alyssa Master

5:02

Monaco. Alyssa, do you think Angela

5:04

Landbury is solving murders in heaven,

5:06

I hope so, with a hot cup of tea.

5:08

I just was imagining the

5:10

phrase saw volving murders in heaven

5:12

came to me and I was like, that's It was perfect.

5:14

That's fun.

5:15

I love to imagine if there's, like,

5:17

a neighborhood in heaven, like,

5:19

just set up so the people who like I

5:22

can't I think about if there were heaven

5:24

what it would be like, Boston. It's

5:27

like does everyone ride bicycle I'm

5:29

just convinced everyone in heaven has a bicycle

5:31

and

5:31

it's pink. You

5:34

know

5:34

what I mean with little basket on it and you go

5:36

around and it's kinda like a big commune

5:38

and everybody's got stuff, and

5:40

the basket can fit. It's like Mary

5:42

Poppins' carpet bag.

5:45

Yes. if it's everything. I like that.

5:53

This week, we are joined by Beto

5:55

O'Rourke, Meghan Gailey and Tian

5:58

Tran to take on the following questions.

5:59

Where

6:00

has voter fraud landed now?

6:03

What

6:03

is at stake in the Texas gubernatorial election?

6:07

Have you ever been the poor friend?

6:09

And who will defend Hocus

6:11

Pocus two to the death? all

6:13

this and more

6:14

right now.

6:18

Alright. Let's

6:20

get right into the news. Let's talk

6:22

about the latest scandal

6:25

in voting, Alyssa happening

6:28

again. Where is it happening now?

6:30

fat bear

6:31

and there's blood fraud with the fat bear.

6:34

Okay. I'm gonna need more information.

6:37

Okay. Fat bear week was rocked. By

6:39

scandal over the weekend after organizers

6:42

in Alaska uncovered voting irregularities

6:44

that were meant to skew the results of

6:46

a pivotal semifinal. Okay.

6:49

Okay. So fat bear week

6:51

just concluded. Right? Yes. In

6:53

fat bear week, they they they put out a

6:55

bracket. in case listeners don't know fat

6:58

bear week, we're big fans of fat bear week. We love it. We

7:00

put out a bracket, and and fans

7:02

of the fat bears get to vote. on match

7:04

ups. It's like March Madness, but with

7:06

whatever fat bear you like better. And

7:10

then that precedes until a fat bear champion

7:12

is crowned. But in a semi final,

7:14

you're telling me that people were skewing

7:16

the votes. Who was trying

7:19

to skew the votes and for who?

7:21

Well, Erin, it's all very complicated,

7:23

but I'd like to say that Cat my National Park

7:26

announced on Twitter showing

7:28

themselves to be a model of democratic

7:31

currency that there were issues in its virtual

7:33

ballot box, which was stuffed in Sunday's

7:35

contest between Mammoth seven

7:37

forty seven who went on to win and the blonde

7:40

eared holly. Holly has won in the

7:42

past. Right. She has I'm not gonna lie. I had holly

7:44

in my bracket. I had holly going all the way.

7:46

But seven forty seven doesn't have a name yet.

7:48

Seven forty seven is like an upstart.

7:51

Seven forty seven's been around a little

7:53

while, but still seven forty seven.

7:55

That's a great name for a fat bear, by the way.

7:57

A seven forty seven. An airplane name

7:59

for

7:59

a big fat bear. I love it. But

8:02

the poll workers caught

8:04

the fake votes in a timely fashion. So

8:06

it was just online people trying to, like,

8:08

rig the system. Honestly, this

8:11

is gonna sound I

8:13

I thought when I first read about the Fat Bear Week

8:15

voting scandal that the

8:18

the votes were going to be in favor

8:21

of allowing a male bear to win because

8:23

I've been so poisoned by the Internet that I'm

8:25

like, of course, they're tanking the

8:27

powerful woman, but no, people

8:29

were were in the tank for Holly,

8:31

and I need to check my internalized

8:33

biases. That's exactly right, even though, you know.

8:36

I was pulling for Holly, but only fair

8:38

and square. Yeah. And

8:40

then last year's champ

8:42

was Otis. Correct? Yes.

8:45

Right. And Otis ended up losing,

8:47

but still live in a good life. Exact,

8:50

there are no losers in fat bear. We know,

8:52

just winners. They're they're all full of salmon

8:54

and ready to go sleep? Yes.

8:57

As long as they're eating and getting fat,

8:59

they are winning and we are winning for being privy

9:01

to them. There's

9:04

more news, but

9:06

I really am excited to get to our interview

9:08

this week. What do you say we do that? Ten

9:10

out of ten, let's

9:11

go. Okay.

9:30

And welcome back, Alyssa.

9:32

We're pretty excited about this one. Today's

9:34

a big day. Today's a big day. So listeners,

9:36

as you know, Alyssa and I have been doing this podcast

9:39

together for over four years. More

9:41

than two hundred episodes And

9:43

out of all of the interviews we've had,

9:45

we've never interviewed a man

9:48

before. No offense to men. No offense

9:50

to men. There's just a lot of podcasts out there that

9:52

feature primarily dudes talking to each other.

9:55

However, today, we are making

9:57

our first exception for a

9:59

man who if elected governor of Texas

10:01

could make life better for millions

10:03

of women and families both in the Lone

10:05

Star State and Nationwide because everybody

10:08

loves somebody who lives in Texas, even if you don't

10:10

live there yourself. I'm speaking, of course,

10:12

a Beto Aurora a former member of congress

10:15

and founder of powered by people, an

10:17

organization that fights for democracy and democratic

10:19

victories by registering and engaging

10:21

with voters and current candidate to become

10:24

the first Democratic governor of Texas

10:26

since Anne Richards left office in nineteen ninety

10:28

five. Beto O'Rourke, welcome to hysteria.

10:30

It's so good to be with you, and it's

10:32

such a big honor. And I

10:35

thank you for allowing me to be

10:37

the exception to the rule and

10:39

for doing it for all the right reasons.

10:42

Given the number of women under

10:44

attack in this state right now, And

10:46

on the other side of that, really the great things

10:48

that we could do, not just for people

10:50

in Texas and not just for those who

10:53

love people in Texas, but given the

10:55

outsized role that Texas plays in our

10:57

politics and in our country's future.

11:01

I don't know that there's a more important moment

11:03

in a more important place than what's happening

11:05

now in Texas. So thank you so much on

11:07

behalf of all of us here.

11:09

Well, you broke a glass ceiling

11:11

today. You're up Ponent, Greg

11:13

Abbott, has been governor of Texas for eight

11:15

years. And his tenure to be perfectly

11:17

frank reads like a new verse

11:19

of we didn't start the fire written specifically

11:22

about Texas. So can you walk

11:25

our listeners through a few of the crises that Abbott

11:27

either

11:27

directly caused or ineptly

11:29

botched? It's a long list as you said.

11:32

It's been eight years and, you know,

11:35

it was nineteen months ago when

11:37

the temperature dropped in Texas. that

11:39

the power grid, which he had been warned about

11:42

because it had all these underlying vulnerabilities that

11:44

had not been fixed, absolutely

11:47

failed us. and the lights went out, the

11:49

heat stopped running, water stopped flowing

11:51

because it was frozen in the pipes for

11:53

millions of Texas. seven

11:56

hundred people that we know of died.

11:58

You know, hypothermia died

12:00

of carbon monoxide poisoning in their garages

12:03

died burning up in their homes as they set

12:05

fire to their furniture trying to keep

12:07

their kids warm. He

12:09

pegs the price of electricity at its highest

12:12

allowable rate for days,

12:14

Gaston starts trading at two hundred times

12:16

when it had sold for the day before

12:20

his biggest campaign contributors end

12:22

up making billions of dollars over

12:24

the course of of five days. And

12:27

after all of that happened, the kicker is

12:29

the grid is still not fixed. and

12:31

we now are all paying higher electricity

12:34

and utility bills as a

12:36

result. So so from that, the

12:38

the most basic job

12:40

of government, literally keeping the lights

12:42

on and making sure that we're warm in our homes.

12:45

In the energy capital of the world,

12:47

no less two crises

12:50

that we have in our child protective services

12:52

system. This is the system that

12:54

oversees thirty two thousand kids

12:56

who are in foster care in Texas

12:59

right now. It's a system whose

13:01

vulnerabilities again the governor was warned about

13:04

years ago Since

13:06

twenty twenty, a hundred children

13:08

have lost their lives in this system.

13:10

Hundreds more have been abused, have

13:13

been raped, have been trafficked, It's

13:15

really awful and it's happening to

13:18

the most vulnerable among us.

13:20

Add to that that we now lead the nation

13:22

in the number of school shootings gun

13:24

violence, the leading cause of death for

13:27

kids and teenagers in the state of Texas.

13:30

This week marks twenty weeks since

13:32

nineteen kids and their two

13:34

amazing teachers were killed in

13:36

their classrooms by a guy who

13:38

in Texas could legally buy not

13:41

one but two AR-15s and

13:43

hundreds of rounds of ammunition at

13:45

the age of eighteen and walk

13:47

into that classroom and take the lives

13:49

of all those kids. Five of

13:51

the worst mass shootings in

13:54

US history have happened in the last

13:56

five years. And the only thing that Greg

13:58

Abbott, our current governor, has done is

14:00

make it easier for people to

14:02

buy a gun, people who shouldn't have a weapon

14:04

to begin with and carry them openly

14:06

on our streets. And lastly,

14:09

and and I think,

14:11

you know, maybe most galvanizing and

14:14

maybe most horrifying for the millions

14:16

of women and girls in this

14:18

state is a total abortion ban

14:21

that he signed into law last year that just went

14:23

into effect last month. It begins

14:25

at conception There's no exception

14:27

for rape or incest. And and look,

14:29

effectively and functionally, there is

14:31

no exception for the life of

14:34

of the mother. This is

14:36

happening in a state

14:38

that leads the country in this crisis

14:40

of maternal mortality three times

14:43

as deadly for black women and

14:45

we absolutely know that this

14:47

is gonna cause more suffering and more

14:49

death in the state of Texas. So

14:51

all of that and more is happening, but

14:53

I'll just say this in in conclusion. The

14:56

way that Texan's are responding to

14:58

this is incredibly inspiring and

15:01

fills me with optimism. And

15:03

and a lot of confidence that we're gonna

15:05

win this on on November eighth because

15:07

People are not accepting it and they're not

15:09

submitting to it and they're not succumbing

15:12

to the temptation to despair. They're taking action.

15:14

They're showing up. They're getting registered to vote.

15:17

They're committing themselves to knocking on doors,

15:19

and they're gonna do what it takes to win this

15:21

election, overcome these challenges,

15:23

and get Texas on the right track. So

15:26

you were in a punk band when

15:28

you were younger. And one of the most punk rock

15:30

things we've seen in politics, which normally,

15:32

you know, punk and politics don't really go together.

15:35

But you confronted governor Abbott at the

15:37

Yuvali

15:38

press conference. shooting

15:43

at this right now, and you are doing nothing. No,

15:46

Rocky. need to get his ass out of you. This is in the

15:48

place to talk to people. This is totally ridiculous.

15:51

Sure. You're out of line. It's

15:55

own assos like you. Why don't you get out of

15:57

here?

15:59

Can you walk us through what made

16:02

you decide to confront him that

16:04

way and how it felt

16:06

when the words were coming out? And do you think more

16:08

progressive should embrace that sort of confrontation?

16:10

I

16:11

I was in Yuvali

16:15

the day after that

16:17

shooting. I I had raced

16:19

to get there as as quickly as I as

16:21

I could. heard that the governor

16:23

was holding a press conference and just

16:25

decided to go. I wanted to hear what he had to

16:27

say. I'd been at press conferences

16:30

or a public meetings that he had held

16:33

after El Paso. And twenty three

16:35

of my fellow El Pasoins and

16:37

human beings were slaughtered

16:39

into Walmart on the third of August

16:41

two thousand nineteen. I

16:43

heard the press conferences after Santa

16:45

Fe High School after Sutherland

16:47

Springs, after Midland Odessa, after

16:49

all these mass shootings. And in each

16:51

instance, you know, he committed to doing

16:53

something that would make it less likely that this would ever

16:56

happen again, and then it happens again.

16:58

And so I came to listen to him, and I wanted

17:00

to know what is gonna be different

17:02

this time. And his opening

17:04

words were it could have been worse,

17:08

which for any of the parents that I've

17:10

had the chance to meet and listen to and work

17:12

with. And now I'm following their lead

17:14

as they make sure that this doesn't

17:16

happen again. There there couldn't

17:18

have been anything worse that he possibly

17:21

could have said. He tried to kind

17:23

of blame it on on mental health care

17:25

issues. When we're fifty first

17:27

in the nation in mental health care access

17:29

and the month before for Yuvali.

17:31

He took two eleven million dollars

17:33

out of the state's mental health care budget. You

17:36

know, he lauded law

17:39

enforcement for their extraordinary response.

17:41

We now know there were hundreds of members of law

17:43

enforcement who for more than seventy minutes

17:45

on the other side of an unlocked door

17:48

while kids were bleeding to death alongside

17:51

their teachers. And as he finished, I

17:54

just felt compelled to stand up

17:56

and to say, look, the the time to stop

17:59

the next mass shooting is

18:01

right now And I I

18:03

wish I had stood up in El Paso in

18:05

two thousand nineteen or Midland Odessa

18:08

the month after that. or Santa

18:10

Fe High School before then, we've

18:13

we've got to confront those in power

18:15

who are in positions to do something

18:17

about this who could take common sense steps

18:20

that look, not everyone's gonna agree on

18:22

every possible solution, but

18:24

raising the age to twenty one which

18:27

the Republican governor of Florida

18:29

did in twenty three days after Marjorie

18:31

Stone and Douglas, a universal background

18:34

check, which every gun owner for

18:36

the most part can agree on. A red

18:38

flag law, which we know will save lives.

18:41

On this much, Republicans and Democrats

18:44

can agree. So, yeah, I felt compelled

18:46

to stand up and to confront him and

18:48

and to do something to to

18:51

change the course that we're

18:53

on. Otherwise, look, I've got three

18:55

kids who are in the public schools

18:57

in El Paso. They're now sophomore freshmen

19:00

at El Paso high, and one is a

19:03

sixth grader at the middle school. And

19:05

they know full well that unless

19:07

we do something different, they're

19:10

just as likely to be met with the same

19:12

fate as those kids in Yavaldi or

19:14

children all across the state. So

19:17

as a parent, as human being

19:19

as a Texan. You know, I wanna

19:22

make sure that we're doing all we can with what we

19:24

have, where we are. And that's certainly

19:26

how I felt in Yivaldi on that day and every

19:28

day since then. that matter.

19:30

Beto, we have seen ad after

19:32

ad of Trumpers who are now

19:34

supporting you. What are the biggest policy

19:37

issues driving Trump voters to

19:38

your campaign? Well,

19:41

tell you what, I I listened to your interview

19:43

with Chloe about reaching

19:46

out to rural voters. And

19:48

a lot of that resonated with me because

19:50

I'm going to these extraordinarily

19:53

rural, very remote from the centers

19:55

of power, counties and communities

19:57

across the state of Texas.

19:59

And

19:59

she has it exactly right. You gotta

20:02

show up. This is not something that you can phone

20:04

in or or beam out there

20:06

through social media or or a television

20:08

ad. You gotta You gotta listen to people with

20:10

whom you may not agree on every issue,

20:13

who as you're talking with them may have a Trump

20:15

hat on and a Make America great

20:17

again t shirt but who are

20:19

just as human as as I am, just as

20:21

much at Texan as as anyone else. And

20:24

they care just as much about their kids and their

20:26

schools and their jobs and our

20:28

future as as anyone else.

20:30

And so in doing that, I

20:33

discovered that we've got so much more in

20:35

common than what otherwise divided.

20:37

So school funding. You know, it's bad

20:39

in El Paso. I think the teacher here

20:41

on average is underpaid by about seventy

20:43

five hundred bucks against the national average.

20:46

But you go to montag county in

20:48

in rural North Texas, that teachers

20:50

down sixteen thousand dollars

20:53

a year. She's working a second, maybe a

20:55

third job to make ends meet. When I

20:57

show up and say, listen, we are gonna prioritize

20:59

school funding and stop

21:02

this effort to move your

21:04

public tax dollars into private schools through

21:06

vouchers. I get heads nodding and

21:08

people saying, hey, I like this guy.

21:10

And you know what? The governor has never shown

21:13

up in my community. People will tell me.

21:15

And and you're the first statewide anybody,

21:17

Democrat, Republican, or otherwise, to

21:20

show the common courtesy of coming

21:22

out here to listen to me and find

21:24

out what mood me. Sixteen hospitals

21:27

have closed down since Greg Abbott

21:29

has been governor in rural Texas.

21:31

When I go to Bui, Texas, and

21:34

I knocked on the door of a guy and he says my wife

21:36

had a stroke and that hospital that was

21:38

two miles away from us closed down.

21:40

And luckily, we were able to airlift her

21:42

to the next county and we saved her life

21:45

But, honestly, I just this week

21:47

met a young woman on her college tour

21:50

who told me that her grandmother who lives in Montag

21:52

County die because they couldn't get

21:54

to a hospital in time. These

21:56

are deeply personal, emotional

22:00

non partisan issues. I mean, your grandmother's

22:02

life, I mean, it transcends everything out

22:05

there. And if I'm not there to show up and

22:07

listen and learn about that, then

22:09

we're not making these connections. So

22:11

healthcare school funding,

22:13

legalizing marijuana, having

22:15

the backs of our veterans and making sure they get connected

22:18

to the care that they need here

22:20

in in Texas, ending the extremism.

22:22

And look, something that that maybe

22:25

you ask about, Democrats may try

22:27

to curtail their message or

22:30

change course when they're in rural Texas.

22:32

If I try to leave a meeting in

22:34

Canadian Texas in the Panhandle or

22:37

Spurman or Dalhart or Dumas or Pampa.

22:39

And I don't talk about abortion. Someone's

22:41

gonna stand up and say, hold on a second. Beto,

22:45

You you have failed to address the most important

22:47

issue for my life and my daughter's life.

22:49

The fact that I can't make my own decisions about

22:51

my own body in my own future.

22:54

I have found that even that issue is universal

22:56

across the state of Texas. But if I

22:58

don't show up to listen to and work with

23:01

the people who are gonna win this election,

23:03

then not only have I not earned their votes,

23:05

they're they're not gonna knock on those doors or

23:07

reach out to their fellow Texan. So

23:10

I have found that the divides

23:12

of partisanship, of geography, of

23:14

really anything else are are really so

23:16

shallow and they are transcended by

23:19

showing up and being there with people. Not easy

23:21

to do in a state like Texas,

23:23

but thankfully we love doing it.

23:25

and and we've got the the guy asked

23:27

to to get out there and make it happen. And

23:30

we're fortunate that we've got ninety five thousand

23:32

volunteers across the state who

23:34

are helping us to make it happen. In

23:36

twenty eighteen, Ted Cruz

23:38

beat you by about two point

23:41

eight percentage points. And right now,

23:43

you're breathing down Abbott's neck, but he's still

23:45

ahead in the polls. How do you

23:46

win this time? We're doing a couple of things

23:48

differently. One is employing

23:51

data, which I didn't use in twenty eighteen.

23:54

And an electorate that might produce,

23:56

you know, ten, eleven

23:59

million voters, having

24:01

a better understanding of who those voters

24:03

are, where they live, what

24:06

their history has been in the past, to give you an example,

24:09

half a million Texans in twenty

24:11

eighteen voted for Greg Abbott for

24:13

governor. and those same five hundred thousand

24:16

Texans voted for me for US

24:18

senators. So we split the votes of half a million

24:20

people the last time we were each

24:22

on the ballot Those are persuadable swing

24:25

boilers. I absolutely wanna be on

24:27

their doors. Data helps me to

24:29

find them and make sure that I'm using the

24:31

most persuasive message possible.

24:33

You know, another thing that probably in hindsight

24:36

could have done much better job of in eighteen

24:38

was really prosecuting the case on

24:40

cruise. we intentionally ran

24:42

a very aspirational, very ambitious

24:44

campaign. Nothing wrong with

24:46

that, but, you know, I think I wrongly

24:49

assumed that everyone either loved hated

24:51

that guy. And there are a lot of people who

24:53

are working so hard at a seven dollar

24:55

twenty five cent an hour job. And in fact,

24:57

they're working two or three of them they're raising

25:00

their kids, they're taking care of their folks,

25:02

they just don't have time for this stuff. And

25:04

as a candidate, I needed to make the case and

25:06

connect the dots, and I didn't So with

25:08

Abbott, I'm gonna make sure you know

25:10

that you are paying more in property

25:12

taxes, more in electricity bills,

25:15

a two hundred percent increase in your phone

25:17

bills because he vetoed the universal

25:19

service fund that underwrites those phone bills

25:21

in rural Texas. and the greatest

25:24

driver of of inflation is

25:26

your current government. The school shootings,

25:28

that's your current government. This total

25:30

attack on the women of Texas, a complete

25:32

abortion ban, that gives more rights

25:34

to a rapist who can collect a ten

25:36

thousand dollar bounty suing

25:39

the family of his victim in the state of

25:41

Texas, that rapist has more rights

25:43

than does his victim that is

25:45

Greg Abbott, the exodus of school teachers,

25:47

Greg Abbott. So making sure that people

25:49

understand the cost and consequence of

25:52

that guy being in office in addition

25:54

to the ability for us to do great things,

25:57

world class schools, best jobs in America,

25:59

right here in Texas, and the ability

26:01

to see a doctor and restoring protection

26:04

for the right to privacy. So every woman

26:06

makes her own decisions about her own body,

26:08

her own future, her own health care,

26:10

that's very different than what we were doing in

26:12

twenty eighteen. And then lastly,

26:15

I just think we have the extraordinary

26:17

good fortune of a very

26:19

motivated electorate. I remind

26:22

people I was just at Texas Tech and Lubbock

26:24

yesterday and said, look, do

26:26

not be deterred by, for example,

26:28

this total abortion ban. Abortion was

26:30

just as illegal in the state of Texas

26:32

fifty years ago, but no one rode

26:35

to our arrest not the rescue of the women of

26:37

Texas. It was those women who rode to

26:39

the rescue of the rest of the country. Jane

26:41

Roe of Roe versus Wade Linda

26:44

Coffey, her attorney, Sarah Weddington, her

26:46

other attorney, these three young Texas

26:49

women prevailed upon an

26:51

all male United States Supreme Court

26:53

and won that right to privacy that

26:55

stood the test of time for nearly half

26:57

a century. Texas women won the way back in

26:59

nineteen seventy three. they're gonna win

27:01

it back in two thousand and twenty

27:04

two. So there there's something really

27:06

extraordinary happening in Texas right now,

27:08

led by Texas women and I'm just

27:10

very grateful, very lucky to be a part

27:12

of that right now.

27:14

Let's talk a little bit more about

27:16

SBA because it's kind

27:18

of the vigilantism it encouraged

27:20

is something that we couldn't have even imagined.

27:23

So can you tell us a little bit more about

27:25

the current state of abortion access in

27:27

Texas. And what you would do is governor

27:30

to safeguard reproductive rights. And then

27:32

also, I've been having trouble finding out

27:34

how many people who have actually been sued

27:36

under the law. Do we know how many

27:38

people have been sued under the law?

27:39

Yeah, Erin. So this

27:42

attack on reproductive healthcare freedom,

27:45

as you know, is is not new to Texas.

27:47

It's been going on for more

27:49

than a decade. And it is

27:51

absolutely connected to that maternal mortality

27:54

crisis that I mentioned earlier.

27:56

as more reproductive healthcare clinics

27:59

have closed down across

27:59

the state, especially

28:01

in a state that is dead last in the

28:03

nation in access to

28:05

health care

28:06

in these underserved communities,

28:09

and they can be in the dead

28:11

center of Houston, Texas. They can

28:13

be in Hudspeth County

28:16

in in the more rural and remote

28:18

parts of the state of Texas. Not

28:20

only has it become impossible for women

28:23

to get access to an abortion, but

28:25

it has been just as impossible to get

28:27

access to a cervical cancer screening,

28:29

a family planning provider or

28:32

a doctor or provider of of

28:34

any kind. There there are so many counties

28:36

in Texas where literally there is not a

28:38

single medical provider on

28:40

the books that a woman can

28:43

go see. And I mentioned it is

28:45

three times as bad for African

28:47

American women. in in the state

28:49

of Texas. All of this exacerbated

28:51

by the most extreme abortion ban

28:54

in the country that is

28:56

then compounded by this

28:58

vigilante law that says that

29:01

anyone and not just anyone in Texas, anyone

29:03

in America can sue

29:05

anyone in Texas who assists any

29:08

woman in getting access to

29:10

an abortion and collect a ten

29:12

thousand dollar bounty. And that anyone

29:14

could include the rapist who

29:16

impregnated that woman in

29:19

in the first place. And as you said, it'd be it'd

29:21

be hard to cook this up stranger

29:23

than fiction, and yet it is our reality

29:25

in this hot house of extremism in

29:28

in the state of Texas right now. And

29:30

it's a harbinger of what is to come

29:32

If we don't change course, justice Clarence

29:34

Thomas has shown us

29:36

that next is the right to contraception

29:39

and same sex intimacy, which means

29:41

potentially a revival of our sodomy laws

29:44

in the state of Texas, marriage

29:46

equality, all of that will come under

29:48

attack in these ingenious,

29:50

innovative, extraordinarily creative ways

29:52

that extreme Republicans have brought

29:55

to bear here in Texas. And I'll give

29:57

an example of what that future could look like,

29:59

the so called house freedom caucus,

30:02

which is the kind of extreme fringe

30:05

edge of Republican legislators

30:07

in Texas have already begun

30:09

sending demand letters to employers

30:11

in Texas who are funding the out of state

30:13

travel for their female

30:16

employees. In other words, warning

30:18

them if you assist those women who work for

30:20

you to travel out of state to make their

30:22

own private, personal, healthcare

30:24

decisions, we will come after you.

30:27

There's another proposal to

30:29

check the travel documents of

30:31

women of childbearing age? Should they

30:33

try to leave the state of

30:35

Texas? You know, some

30:38

people laugh this stuff off. But

30:40

but I think our our failure

30:43

to take seriously the

30:45

threats that we saw or heard

30:47

coming for years and decades saying,

30:49

And and I'll say I'm party to this. No

30:52

way there'll be a total abortion ban in

30:54

in the state of Texas. I just I know they say

30:56

that stuff, but that that could never ever

30:59

happen. And so we we must

31:01

take seriously everything that is happening

31:03

right now and realize that no

31:05

victory is ever final,

31:07

not even one like Roe versus Wade in nineteen seventy

31:10

three, and this fight will never be over.

31:12

And that can sound exhausting that

31:14

this fight will never be over, but we we have

31:16

to find way that it is

31:19

inspiring to us. That that we are in

31:21

the fight for the lives of our fellow Texans,

31:23

our fellow Americans. and there's

31:25

no higher calling or honor. And

31:27

there can be joy in that fight, and it's all

31:29

of us in, all of us together. And

31:32

we're gonna be able to do some extraordinary things

31:34

here in Texas, not just for

31:36

those under attack here, but

31:38

really for the country given the role that the

31:40

state plays in American politics.

31:43

Mhmm. What can the governor do?

31:45

Like,

31:45

I know that the the state itself is you're

31:47

probably going to be dealing with a Republican

31:49

legislature. SO WHAT COULD YOU

31:51

DO AS GOVERNOR TO RESTORE

31:53

SOME OF THOSE RIGHTS TO TEXAS WOMEN?

31:56

THERE ARE

31:57

NUMBER THINGS THAT GOVERNOR CAN DO. ONE

31:59

IS TO

31:59

stop the bad things coming down the pike.

32:02

So the governor has the

32:04

the veto power.

32:05

So all these proposals come and

32:07

whether from justice Clarence Thomas or the

32:10

house freedom caucus in in Texas,

32:12

as governor, I'll be able to stop them.

32:14

But the governor also has a lot of

32:16

leverage with the legislature to

32:18

bring members to the table. As

32:21

you probably know, we we only meet as

32:23

legislature once every two years

32:26

and then only for a hundred and forty days,

32:28

the governor can uniquely bring

32:31

that legislature back into session and

32:33

calls the team defines what that agenda

32:36

will be and can continue to call

32:38

the legislature back until we

32:40

get the desired outcome or something close

32:42

to the desired outcome. You've seen

32:44

that used for bad

32:48

purposes by Greg Abbott going

32:50

after transgender kids or CRT

32:53

or to weaken our voting laws, I'd love

32:55

to use that for good purposes to restore

32:57

the rights and freedoms to our fellow

33:00

Texans, especially to women for their

33:02

bodily autonomy. And one might

33:04

think that might be a very

33:06

tough task given

33:08

how conservative a Republican this

33:10

state is supposed to be. But

33:13

when asked Texan's eighty

33:15

six percent of whom say they

33:17

they strongly oppose the governor's

33:19

total abortion ban. Seventy

33:21

eight percent of Republicans in Texas

33:24

strongly oppose the governor's total

33:26

abortion ban. So there's lot more

33:28

room for consensus than people might otherwise

33:31

think. And and as you all know,

33:33

the the number one imperative for

33:36

every Republican or democrat for that

33:38

matter in office is to win reelection. whatever

33:40

else they may say, they wanna make sure

33:42

that they win. And the shockwave

33:45

produced by having the first

33:47

Democrat, the first pro choice

33:49

candidate since Anne Richards won in

33:51

nineteen ninety to win

33:53

this office is gonna change the

33:56

political calculus in this state

33:58

and what is possible and what is potential.

33:59

And lastly, none

34:02

of this can happen if if we don't

34:04

win. And so the alternative

34:06

is to stay on this crazy

34:09

train that that is racing towards

34:11

the far fringe of extremism and

34:14

is costing the lives of our fellow Texas,

34:16

whether it's those kids in these classrooms

34:19

or women and girls across the state

34:21

of Texas. This really is a chance for us

34:23

to get back on the right track and

34:26

to do the right thing. And I'm confident

34:28

we can bring the state together in order to

34:30

make it happen.

34:31

Federal one of your

34:33

absolute best targets, Willie Nelson,

34:35

is a big advocate for legalizing

34:38

marijuana, which Anyone who listens

34:40

to this podcast knows I'm a fan of.

34:42

How motivating of an issue

34:44

do you think it is for Texans to legalize

34:47

marijuana? And what other social policies

34:49

are vital to accompany the legalization.

34:53

Very motivating. Very motivating

34:55

among young people, which is what I would have expected

34:57

and assumed and it's been confirmed.

35:01

But I I can't tell you how many

35:03

times

35:04

someone's come up to be, you know,

35:06

seventy eight, eighty five, ninety

35:08

years old, and kind of in whisper

35:10

pulls me aside at one of these town hall meetings

35:12

and says, hey, You know, I didn't

35:15

hear you talk about marijuana, but

35:17

I have fibromyalgia and it

35:19

is just horrible. III

35:21

can't eat. I can't sleep. My symptoms

35:23

are terrible. The drugs they prescribed

35:26

just screw me up nine

35:28

ways to Saturday. But when I use

35:30

marijuana, I feel better.

35:32

I can eat again. I'm able

35:34

to sleep. What are you gonna do about this?

35:37

Veterans who pull me aside and say, look,

35:40

The VA will prescribe me an opioid, and I don't

35:42

wanna take that shit because I can

35:44

become addicted to it. I've seen folks

35:46

I've served with die from this, But

35:48

using marijuana makes me feel okay, but I'm

35:50

a criminal in the eyes of the law. That's what are you

35:53

gonna do about this. So III

35:55

now at every event say, look,

35:57

when we win, we're gonna bring this state together

35:59

to make marijuana legal for for all

36:02

of those people and for all of those reasons.

36:04

And also just or consenting adults

36:06

who just want to be able to get high and

36:08

not be locked up for doing that. But

36:10

I also talk about this side of the dynamic,

36:12

which is that Though all Texans,

36:14

you know, of all races, of all

36:16

ethnicities use marijuana at the

36:18

same rate, disproportionately, it's

36:20

gonna be black and Brown Texas who

36:22

get stopped by police, who are frisked,

36:25

who are found in possession, who are arrested, who

36:27

are incarcerated, who upon release,

36:29

now have to check a box saying they have a

36:31

conviction on every employment application

36:34

form. It becomes close to impossible

36:37

to get student loans or small business loans

36:39

really their their options are severely

36:42

narrowed and constrained, really

36:44

only owing to the color of their

36:46

skin. And so In addition to making

36:48

this legal, we must expunge the

36:50

arrest records for anyone who

36:52

served time for possession of a substance

36:54

that's already legal and so much of

36:56

the rest of the country. This country

36:59

locks up more of its own than any other

37:01

on the planet. This state locks up

37:04

more of its own than any other state.

37:06

in the country. Disproportionately,

37:10

those serving time are there for nonviolent

37:12

drug crimes, like marijuana possession,

37:15

and they are black and brown. I I was in East

37:17

Texas in a rural community talking

37:19

to a black barber who said, Beto,

37:22

do you know how hard it was for me to get my Barber's

37:24

license because in nineteen seventy

37:26

two, I was found in possession of pot.

37:29

How screwed up is this? I mean, this guy

37:31

is just wanting to be able

37:33

to run his business, hire other people in

37:35

the community, and we are holding him back

37:37

right now for for no good reason.

37:40

So it makes all the common sense

37:42

in the world. And, you know, politically

37:44

in terms of what's possible with the Republican

37:47

legislature, we also know that

37:49

Republicans like getting high just as much

37:51

as Democrats like getting high. So there

37:53

there's gonna be the political consensus to

37:55

do.

37:55

and they they just feel

37:57

worse about it after that. That's right.

38:01

Beto, you've been endorsed by Harry Styles.

38:03

Gotta say, I'm jealous, I wish Harry Styles would endorse

38:05

me for thing. And you were at his concert

38:08

in Texas. And a lot of big

38:10

name national figures have thrown their support your

38:12

way. So We also know that Texans

38:14

are famously, let's say, resistant to the perception

38:17

that outsiders are messing with

38:19

their state. So how do you accept

38:21

and embrace the support of celebrities

38:24

while making sure that Texans know

38:26

you're in this for them. You know,

38:28

go

38:29

into that Harry Styles Show at

38:31

the Moody Center in in Austin. That

38:34

place is packed with our fellow Texans.

38:36

Right? And to have his support

38:38

and get that push from him was really

38:41

just wonderful. And I can tell

38:43

you that in the following days, as I went

38:45

to college campuses and

38:47

Nacogdoches at Stephen f Austin,

38:49

you know, Axsome Jacks or up at

38:51

Wiley College in in Marshall. or

38:54

just as I'm walking down the street in

38:56

in Houston, so many young people

38:58

who really weren't plugged into this campaign

39:01

or really this race or maybe didn't know there was

39:03

an election taking place in Texas or the

39:05

issues that are driving the

39:07

turnout and the decision they're

39:10

taking notice and they're now

39:12

in and they're curious and they're coming out

39:14

and they're getting registered to vote. So

39:16

That was a huge boost, and I am so grateful

39:18

to him. And I'll tell you what, I had chance to

39:21

meet him briefly backstage. And, you know,

39:23

of course, I I thanked him for inviting me to

39:25

the show and for his support

39:27

of us. And what so surprised me was that he

39:29

had watched the debate that we had

39:31

just a few days before, and he had said, you know,

39:33

brilliant job in a debate. and, you know,

39:36

whether he saw it or or

39:38

saw a clip of it, how cool that

39:41

he's watching and paying attention. But I think

39:43

he is for the same reason that

39:45

that we're talking right now. That there's probably

39:47

no state that has a greater

39:49

bearing on this country's future. on

39:52

the issues that matter most, voting rights,

39:54

reproductive healthcare, freedom, gun

39:56

violence. I mean, you name it. It it is

39:58

right here in in Texas, and he

40:01

he's well aware of that. But you mentioned Willie

40:03

Nelson and I don't know that it gets more

40:05

Texas than Willie Nelson or the chicks

40:08

formerly known as the Dixie chicks that I just

40:10

saw in in the Woodlands, you

40:12

know, to have Natalie Mains up there

40:15

on the stage, you know, has such

40:17

an amazing Texas pedigree of

40:19

these extraordinary musicians from Lubbock and

40:21

the and the Panhandle, you know,

40:24

throwing her support behind us

40:26

as well. Casey Musgraves. I mean,

40:28

so so the list goes on, but whether

40:31

you are a a big time performer,

40:34

whether you are your neighborhood

40:36

leader whether you're the student government

40:38

president, whether you're just a voter out here in El

40:40

Paso. We just had a great event at the University of

40:42

Texas at El Paso last night

40:45

to have your support means the world

40:47

to me because this is

40:49

really kind of the defining moment of

40:51

truth for Texas And what we

40:53

do at this moment will determine our

40:55

future and define us in

40:57

the eyes of history and in our

40:59

eyes of our kids for forever going

41:01

forward, and I wanna make sure that we come through.

41:04

And again, the way that everyone's meeting

41:07

this moment by standing up to be counted

41:09

and doing their part, whether They're

41:11

an entertainer, an athlete, a

41:13

voter, you know, another politician.

41:15

It's really pretty inspiring. And

41:18

it's it's cause for hope and optimism.

41:20

at a time that we really need cause

41:22

for hope and optimism given

41:24

the the darkness that has descended on this

41:26

state. So I'm I'm grateful for all of

41:28

them.

41:29

Well, as a Californian, I gotta

41:31

say, if you get elected, Governor Newsom is gonna

41:33

have to redirect some of his trolling budget to

41:35

wait from Texas. He's

41:37

gonna be able put up more billboards in

41:39

in Florida, maybe one in South

41:42

Dakota. We'll see what does with that.

41:44

So we like to end on

41:46

a positive note how

41:48

are you recharging out on

41:50

the trail? This

41:51

is such an appropriate question because I just

41:54

got back to El Paso. last

41:57

night, and we did this event. I just mentioned

41:59

that UTEP, my

42:01

mom, who's just

42:03

amazing and we

42:05

just discover as diagnosed with a very

42:08

serious cancer and is undergoing treatment and

42:10

-- Yeah. I'm sorry. -- chemotherapy and So lost

42:12

her hair. No, you know what? She she's

42:14

amazing and she is so strong

42:16

and so much stronger than I thought,

42:19

but she came out to the event. It's the first

42:21

public things she's been able to do in

42:23

in months, and she looks so strong

42:25

and so good, and just made me so proud, sitting

42:27

next to my sister, Charlotte, my

42:29

wife, Amy, and her kids were there. And

42:31

then all of these folks in El Paso who

42:33

I love and I've grown up with and supported

42:35

me and I've supported them you

42:38

know, here in my hometown after being

42:40

on the road for weeks in

42:42

what has just been a

42:44

brutal schedule brutal for all of

42:46

us by the way, not not me for for everybody

42:49

who's running this race, running

42:51

so hard and no complaints.

42:53

I love the number of communities that

42:55

we get to visit, the size and the

42:57

breadth of this state, the number of people who are

43:00

turning out, But, you know, it

43:02

it can kick your ass. And so coming

43:04

back home, waking up in my own bed,

43:07

after being gone for so long, going

43:09

out on a run with my son, Ulysses,

43:12

and his his friends,

43:14

uncle and Miles and and Amy and our dog

43:16

Artemis this morning, being

43:18

here in my living room, it's just

43:20

it's great. So I'm I'm absolutely

43:23

able to recharge here. and

43:25

I'll be working from home for a couple of

43:27

days. And then we're we're back out on the

43:29

trail. It's hard for me to believe this

43:31

as I say this to you, but it's twenty seven

43:33

days until this election

43:36

is decided twenty seven days.

43:38

And I, along with tens of thousands

43:41

of people, in the state. I'm gonna

43:43

give this everything that

43:45

I've got. And I'm just so confident that we are

43:47

gonna come through at the end. It's

43:49

not gonna be easy. Right? And

43:52

it's gonna require something extraordinary from

43:54

all of us. But given

43:56

what's at stake, there there really is

43:59

no other option. And I know

44:01

that from every person who's approached me and

44:03

talked about what this election means to them

44:06

and personal terms, the tears

44:08

that have been shed of of

44:10

pain, of suffering, and also of joy. And

44:13

and folks who who just realized that

44:15

they're doing the right thing at the

44:17

right moment in the right place. And

44:19

beyond what it means politically and electoral,

44:22

personally for so many of us

44:25

that this just could not be any

44:27

more urgent or more important. So I

44:30

feel so grateful to be back

44:32

here at home and to continue

44:34

these next twenty seven days starting from

44:37

here. And very, very honored

44:39

to be on your podcast and to have

44:41

the chance to talk with you

44:43

and to reach all of your listeners. And

44:45

through you, I wanna thank all of them,

44:48

so many of whom have contributed or

44:50

supported or signed up to volunteer

44:52

those who live in Texas and even those

44:54

who are outside of our our borders

44:56

in other states who are beaming

44:59

in their love and support and encouragement. It

45:01

means the world to us, and I just wanna

45:03

say thank you. Oh, well,

45:04

thank you. Thank you. O'Rourke,

45:07

Thank you so much for being the first guy we ever

45:09

interviewed on this podcast. And let

45:11

your mom know we're rooting

45:12

for her. Yes. We're we're thinking about

45:14

her and best of luck. Thank you. Thank

45:16

you both.

45:31

Okay.

45:31

So it's October. We

45:33

love spooky season. Everybody knows

45:35

this. It's our thing.

45:37

This is week two of our which

45:39

of the week where we highlight female

45:42

characters in folklore that are

45:45

sometime sometimes

45:46

evil, sometimes

45:46

good. This

45:48

witch of the week is great. Sometimes complicated.

45:50

Sometimes This is a complicated one. Alyssa,

45:52

do you wanna walk us through this week's

45:55

witch of the week? Erin, this week's

45:57

witch of the week is Dear Woman.

46:00

Deer woman can trace her origins to

46:02

many of the eastern woodlands and central

46:04

plains native American tribes like the

46:06

Potawatomi, Creek Omaha

46:09

Panca that came to Oklahoma, although

46:11

her legend extends even into the Pacific

46:13

Northwest, she's associated with

46:15

fertility and love, but when crossed,

46:18

has quite a dark side. Mhmm. Most

46:20

commonly, she's depicted as the mortal

46:22

victim of a savage rate. That is terrible.

46:25

her body being found in the woods next to

46:27

a sleeping fawn who lay down beside her so

46:29

that she would not die alone. Well,

46:31

that was nice of the fawn. I thank God for

46:33

the fawn. Since her attackers went

46:36

unpunished, the gods grant her wish

46:38

for justice whereby she is reborn

46:40

as half human, half dear. Don't

46:43

we wish we all could be? In this

46:45

guise, she lured her former tormentors into

46:47

the woods unaware of her true nature

46:49

when they notice too late that she had

46:51

hooves instead of feet, she had trampled

46:54

them to death. Yes,

46:56

afterward she lived on continuing to punish

46:59

those who would pray on feminine. In

47:01

essence, the legend is meant to show that

47:03

attraction does not a proper pairing date.

47:06

and that men ignore or usurp the

47:08

power of women at their own peril. To

47:10

recognize the truth, the story conceals

47:12

us to save oneself from misfortune, to

47:15

ignore the moral is to proceed inexorably

47:17

into the death dance. With dear

47:19

woman, oh, that's spooky. In

47:21

the words of Neil Young, long may

47:24

you run Dear Woman? Yeah.

47:26

You know what is a book that

47:28

contains a Dear Woman type

47:30

figure that I would recommend to all our listeners.

47:33

What? If you like spooky books?

47:35

Stephen Graham Jones is this great native

47:38

american writer, and in twenty twenty, he put

47:40

out a book called The Only Good Indians. And

47:43

Dear Woman and Justice play

47:46

a huge role in it, and it is a

47:48

creepy, creepy book. And I highly

47:50

recommend it. It's great. He's a great horror

47:52

writer if you like. spooky books

47:54

during spooky season. Alright,

47:56

and that was our witch of the week, week

47:58

two. Stick

47:59

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47:59

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48:02

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And welcome back. Alyssa, I really wanna

56:23

talk

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about, like,

56:24

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56:27

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56:29

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56:32

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56:35

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56:37

or poor you are. First off, LA

56:40

listeners don't miss our first panelist

56:42

at the Dynasty typewriter on October twenty

56:44

second for a ninety day fiancee tell all

56:46

comedy show, Tian Tran,

56:48

ten. Hello. What

56:51

else have you been hiding? What else have

56:53

you been hiding? Okay. Yeah. You know

56:55

what? I'm I'm a I'm a member of the ninety day Fiance,

56:57

Reality TV show family. And

56:59

I'm finally gonna be coming forward with my husband.

57:06

And his name is Jeff. Jeff.

57:08

In what country are men named Jeff?

57:11

Yes. Jeff, JEPH

57:16

We're gonna be airing out our relationship woes.

57:20

I'm really excited about it. If you have ever

57:22

seen it, we're like a Rose and Ed

57:24

relationship dynamic. Wow.

57:27

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57:29

Rose is like a supermodel now. Is she

57:32

really? Yes. And a lesbian.

57:34

Oh, yeah. Rose is thriving. And a lesbian?

57:36

A lesbian and a supermodel. Oh, yes.

57:38

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57:40

that, then she would love it. Oh.

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Thank you so much. And Tien, all I have to

58:01

say to you is whoever is against the queen

58:03

must die. I

58:08

don't know. It's a quote from a

58:10

just I mean, the well of characters.

58:13

Is that from ninety day fiance? Oh,

58:15

yeah. Wait. Who was that? Colti.

58:19

Colti. Colti. Vanessa? Yep.

58:22

But that's a Yeah. Okay. Okay.

58:24

I need to watch some episodes to get

58:26

some gems like that. She said that she was

58:28

not happy with Deb in that one now I remember. Yeah.

58:30

Okay. she said that she was a mother that

58:33

she lived with. Whoever was against the queen

58:35

was dying. I

58:37

think there's a scene where Rose straight up just

58:39

goes to Ed. you're ugly. She

58:41

does. Yeah. That happened. Yes. Yes.

58:44

You know, one thing about, you know,

58:46

we can all agree that our immigration system

58:48

is horrible. and needs to be

58:50

reformed to make the whole process more

58:52

streamlined and easy. But on the other hand, one

58:55

downside of that would be an end to ninety

58:57

day feel. incredible.

59:00

Right. Like, I

59:02

think TLC is fundraising against

59:04

immigration reforms. Yeah.

59:09

No. Yes.

59:11

Vote. Yes. Oh,

59:16

man. Well, we are talking kind of about

59:18

something that dovetails at this little bit today. And

59:20

that is when

59:22

there is a wealth disparity between

59:24

you and your friends. And and more specifically

59:28

when your friends are richer

59:30

than you are. So, Tiana, I'm gonna start

59:32

with you. You're in show biz. Do

59:35

you have, like, rich friends? Have you

59:37

in different parts

59:37

of your life had rich friends?

59:40

Like in your mind? You're, like, these are my rich

59:42

friends?

59:42

And what kind of rich

59:44

Were they?

59:45

When I was younger,

59:47

like, college, I was definitely my family

59:50

was, like, solidly middle class, but I went

59:52

to boss in college and I think that

59:54

really blew my mind to the

59:56

turn. Like, I had rich friends in college

59:59

and they were like very rich. Like,

1:00:01

I believe not believe I knew this,

1:00:03

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1:00:05

one of my friends' dads was like a venture

1:00:07

capitalist and, like, had

1:00:09

so much money in, like, they had a

1:00:11

family house that was like on

1:00:13

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1:00:15

like, secluded area

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in Maine, and we visited there. And

1:00:20

I remember being like, oh, this is

1:00:23

too much money. Exactly. I'm

1:00:27

like, you can own a part of the coast.

1:00:29

This is you can't. This is way

1:00:31

too much. And

1:00:33

so, like, all throughout post college

1:00:35

as well, like, I was doing comedy and wasn't

1:00:38

making a lot of money and everyone was getting

1:00:40

married and having, like, weddings

1:00:42

that weren't in the same city as

1:00:44

where I was living, which I think should be illegal.

1:00:47

so I I

1:00:49

honestly actually didn't end up going

1:00:52

to a lot of my friend's weddings because

1:00:54

of, like, finances. Like, could not

1:00:56

actually pay

1:00:59

to get to those weddings. Now

1:01:02

being in show business and

1:01:04

being, you know, this is my first

1:01:06

time on a TV show.

1:01:09

I am making more money than I ever

1:01:11

have, and it's really blowing my mind a little

1:01:13

bit and trying to, like, figure

1:01:15

out what that looks like, I'm at place now

1:01:17

where I'm, you know, go grocery shopping

1:01:19

and I'm like, I will buy, like, the jar

1:01:21

of pickles. You know, like, I'm just, like, I I'm

1:01:24

thinking about money in different way and just trying

1:01:27

to navigate it. And, you know, like, I'm

1:01:29

on a show with people who have

1:01:31

a range of wealth

1:01:34

that you may know of. And

1:01:38

it's really interesting trying to navigate all

1:01:40

of that. Mhmm. You

1:01:42

know what? didn't know you went to BC.

1:01:44

Yes. Go Eagles. A

1:01:49

sarcastic You sound tiny. I

1:01:51

really tried to Really tiny.

1:01:57

Meghan same question for you.

1:01:59

Do

1:01:59

you have rich friends? Like, what kind of rich are

1:02:02

they? And how, like, close to

1:02:04

the one percent?

1:02:05

So when I was growing up, I

1:02:08

thought I was rich.

1:02:10

Then and then I started doing

1:02:12

comedy and I said, well, I'm

1:02:14

not. And so it

1:02:16

was growing up. I was probably

1:02:18

the rich friend and, like, my friends were

1:02:20

the rich friends, but we were very specifically

1:02:23

Indiana rich. and then I

1:02:25

went to Purdue, which it

1:02:27

does not have a ton of rich people. You

1:02:29

know, it's an an ag

1:02:30

school, but there are super,

1:02:32

super rich kids

1:02:33

that come there from abroad to

1:02:36

be in the engineering program and aeronautical

1:02:38

and, you know, all of those things but

1:02:40

I was still sort of in my bubble. But

1:02:43

I realized pretty

1:02:46

quickly, oh, I'm not the

1:02:48

type of rich where my parents pay

1:02:50

my rent. Mhmm. I'm the type of rich where

1:02:52

if I call my parents and I have a

1:02:54

flat tire they can help me. Mhmm.

1:02:56

And that's actually not random. It's

1:02:59

it's it's lovely and

1:03:01

it's very kind and it's very secure.

1:03:04

but I do think getting

1:03:06

into show business as Tien

1:03:08

said is very eye opening. But

1:03:10

I definitely grew up around

1:03:13

people that had more

1:03:15

money than us, but I always felt tangential

1:03:18

to them of like, oh, I'll get the trickle

1:03:20

down. of, like, we don't belong

1:03:22

to this country club, but

1:03:25

I get to go to the country club and I know

1:03:27

the number

1:03:27

to put the hotdog on. And

1:03:30

so that is, like, even

1:03:32

better. Like, it's what is the saying?

1:03:34

It's like, oh, it's like great

1:03:36

have a friend that has a pool or her to have a friend that has

1:03:38

a boat, but, like, you don't wanna

1:03:39

be the one that owns a boat. And

1:03:42

so post college, I had so little

1:03:44

money and my friends had, you know, regular nine to

1:03:46

fives. And I was waitressing and bartending,

1:03:48

and I would always be like, I'm gonna get you back somewhere.

1:03:51

You know, like, I'm gonna hit it big,

1:03:53

and I'm gonna so, like, let me use your

1:03:55

tampons and I'm doing a lot.

1:03:57

We will go out a yacht. And it's like,

1:03:59

I still have not followed through on that.

1:04:02

But CJ and

1:04:04

I were, you know, lucky enough,

1:04:06

and I have to say that to to be able to

1:04:08

be house hunting as of

1:04:10

recently. And even just

1:04:12

the suggestions people would give

1:04:15

of where we should look for homes.

1:04:17

Like, oh, you should look in

1:04:19

this neighborhood in LA or this neighborhood,

1:04:21

and I'm like, there's one neighborhood

1:04:23

we can look at. and we can barely

1:04:26

look in that one. And

1:04:27

so it feels

1:04:30

almost, like, you've made

1:04:32

it and you've still are so

1:04:34

far away. Like, I am

1:04:37

middle class in Los Angeles

1:04:39

and middle class in Los Angeles is

1:04:41

is very solid, but

1:04:44

you're surrounded by people that

1:04:45

have so much more than

1:04:47

you. And the generational wealth

1:04:50

is so so stark

1:04:52

and really I've gotten to the point now

1:04:54

where I'm open about being like

1:04:57

nepotism, generational wealth?

1:04:59

Yes, I am jealous. like, I'm not

1:05:01

even coming from a place of, like, oh,

1:05:03

interesting. Like, it's like, I wish that I

1:05:05

was generationally rich. And

1:05:07

I may force my child into being show business

1:05:09

so he can reap the benefits of nepotism that

1:05:11

I never was able to. And

1:05:15

that's sort of, like, where

1:05:17

I'm at and and you go, you know, I may not

1:05:19

be able to live in Los Angeles for the

1:05:21

rest of my life because of finances,

1:05:24

and that's just not a

1:05:26

reality for for a

1:05:28

lot of the people that we know. Yeah. You're gonna

1:05:31

have to move somewhere else and drive the home prices

1:05:33

up there. Like -- Yeah. Exactly.

1:05:35

-- go to Boise and be like six hundred

1:05:38

thousand dollars for a two bedroom house.

1:05:40

This is amazing. Let's

1:05:42

buy two. Yeah.

1:05:45

No. It's really wild.

1:05:48

It's really wild. Yeah. And you brought

1:05:50

up, like, entertainment and how

1:05:52

many people who work in entertainment, like,

1:05:56

their primary source of income is

1:05:58

is somebody in their family giving them money.

1:06:00

like, they're Absolutely. And that enables them to

1:06:02

work, Alyssa. I mean, I noticed that when

1:06:04

I started working in, like, media.

1:06:07

There are so many writers who

1:06:09

their parents co sign. Like, in New York City,

1:06:11

you have to make forty times rent in order

1:06:13

to sign a lease, which so, like, let's

1:06:15

say the average rent, it's like four thousand dollars

1:06:17

a now in Manhattan. But back then, it was

1:06:20

like three thousand dollars a month. In

1:06:22

order to sign a lease in

1:06:24

Manhattan, you had to make a hundred and

1:06:26

twenty thousand dollars. And if you

1:06:28

didn't make that much money, you could have someone

1:06:30

cosign who made eighty

1:06:31

times rent. So

1:06:32

I knew so many people who, like, I knew for

1:06:34

a fact, didn't make forty times rent

1:06:36

who lived by themselves

1:06:37

in Manhattan. And so doing a little

1:06:39

bit of napkin math, I was like, oh, so your

1:06:41

parents make eighty times

1:06:44

New York City rent. and

1:06:45

they cosigned your lease for you.

1:06:47

Like, that that was, like, very, very

1:06:50

stark and

1:06:51

but having parents that can do that and having

1:06:53

or having, like, rich friends who were, like, yeah, come and

1:06:55

live in my condo, really enabled a lot of

1:06:57

people in media to get

1:06:59

started because there are lean years when

1:07:01

you start out. And, Alyssa, I know

1:07:04

that, like, the political economy also

1:07:06

relies on people who are willing to work

1:07:08

for free. Did you notice a lot of that also?

1:07:11

Oh my god. So Tien, I don't

1:07:13

know when you were in Brookline at

1:07:15

BC, but I lived with

1:07:17

four BC law students. Oh

1:07:19

my. When I in Brookline.

1:07:22

Right near, what was that place? Couples Bagels?

1:07:25

Yes. Yeah. That's where I lived. Oh my

1:07:27

god. And I was so excited

1:07:29

to get my job working for John Carey, and

1:07:32

they had to clarify when they offered

1:07:34

me the salary that it was twenty thousand

1:07:37

five hundred dollars, not twenty five thousand

1:07:39

dollars. And so that was

1:07:41

I mean, think about that. There was there was no

1:07:43

way no way I had a second

1:07:45

job the entire time I lived in

1:07:47

Boston, but and there's no way even with the

1:07:50

second job that I could have done it without my parents

1:07:52

helping me. Well, what do you mean helping

1:07:54

you? Like, signing leases? Or No.

1:07:56

They were like, Alyssa. We're very

1:07:59

proud of you that

1:07:59

you got this job. Here is a

1:08:02

check. You

1:08:02

need to make this check last for as

1:08:04

long as

1:08:05

you work for John Carey.

1:08:07

So it wasn't because I think

1:08:09

only three people were supposed to live in the apartment

1:08:11

and there were five. I never had to sign

1:08:14

the lease on that one, but I couldn't have afforded

1:08:16

I mean, Tian, again, to the point

1:08:18

about college. Brookline rents

1:08:21

even for five people in

1:08:23

a three bedroom. My rent

1:08:25

was still like six fifty a month. which

1:08:27

when you think about the fact I made

1:08:29

twenty thousand dollars a month, my

1:08:32

entire paycheck that I got, I think,

1:08:34

went to my rent and all of my spending

1:08:36

money was my babysitting money and my

1:08:38

nannying money. I feel like I

1:08:40

am coming from a place of privilege that I even

1:08:43

knew that stand up comedy was a career

1:08:45

that I could pursue. Mhmm. Like, it

1:08:47

just that is privilege

1:08:49

ended up itself to go oh, I'm

1:08:51

gonna pursue this thing that is free.

1:08:54

And I think the arts in

1:08:56

general knock a lot of people out

1:08:58

financially because it's just -- Yeah. --

1:09:00

they can't. And it's kind of great about I

1:09:02

mean, to the point is that, like, when you get into

1:09:04

politics, you see so many people who are in politics

1:09:07

are really fucking rich. because you kind of have

1:09:09

to be to be able to make that kind of money.

1:09:11

So the unionization that's happening on Capitol

1:09:13

Hill now in some of the congressional offices is

1:09:16

very nice to see because you

1:09:18

guys, there's a lot of money in the government, and

1:09:20

I feel like we can pay human beings more

1:09:22

than thirty thousand

1:09:23

dollars a year to work twelve

1:09:25

hours a day essentially. Oh,

1:09:26

yeah. It seems almost like I

1:09:29

mean, if you enter a field like media

1:09:31

-- Mhmm. -- like politics, like

1:09:33

entertainment, like anybody

1:09:35

who's trying to be an actor,

1:09:37

it sort of fosters this culture

1:09:39

of, like, gadflyism. Mhmm. Because

1:09:41

if you're not somebody that has money,

1:09:43

you have like attach yourself to

1:09:46

somebody that has money. And that's

1:09:48

the way that you get access to, like,

1:09:50

the ladder itself. Like, there

1:09:52

Like, even when I was making the

1:09:54

least amount money that I ever made as

1:09:56

a writer living in New York, I

1:09:58

was like crashing

1:09:59

at a friend of my boyfriend's

1:10:02

house for the first, like,

1:10:04

couple

1:10:04

months that we were there.

1:10:06

We still like the guy who owned Gocker

1:10:09

Media where I worked was like a rich

1:10:11

guy who had a beautiful apartment in

1:10:13

SoHo across from Balthazar and above

1:10:15

the Moma store. And he would have

1:10:17

these big parties. And that was, like, where

1:10:20

you met other people that were, like,

1:10:22

doing the same thing you did. And, like,

1:10:24

if

1:10:25

I had done something to run afoul

1:10:28

of him or one of his rich friends. That

1:10:31

would have, like, endangered. It's a rap.

1:10:33

Yeah. Exactly. Like,

1:10:35

do you do you think that the, I

1:10:38

guess, the the way that people are paid

1:10:40

at

1:10:40

entry level jobs

1:10:42

in entertainment, politics

1:10:44

media, etcetera. Do

1:10:45

you think that, like,

1:10:46

enables, like, rich people to kind

1:10:48

of be abusive shitheads?

1:10:51

Yes. I think a lot of times,

1:10:53

like, they don't they

1:10:55

don't even know that they're abusive shitheads

1:10:57

because

1:10:57

their whole life has been

1:10:59

so different than ours that

1:11:02

it's like, oh,

1:11:03

yes, there's a staff. And

1:11:06

and they work on Christmas. Of course,

1:11:08

they want to be here. It

1:11:10

truly is so different. And

1:11:12

and I think we get peek into it

1:11:14

and go, let the fuck is going on.

1:11:16

Mhmm. But it's it's their normal.

1:11:19

Yeah. Yeah. There's like a level of entitlement

1:11:21

that is like shocking to see. Mhmm.

1:11:24

And this is across all industries. I

1:11:27

mean, I'm not an avid undercover

1:11:29

boss watch -- Sure. -- but I definitely peaked to my

1:11:32

eyes on some episodes, and these

1:11:34

CEOs who are even these are

1:11:35

the good ones because they're willing to go on this

1:11:38

show at least, are like, what

1:11:40

is

1:11:41

this gal is great. And

1:11:43

it's like, yeah, your

1:11:44

employees are people. Mhmm. Isn't that

1:11:46

fascinating? They've got blood and animals

1:11:48

in their butt. Like, they're so their

1:11:51

minds are so blown of, like, they've

1:11:53

got five kids. It's like,

1:11:55

yes, your salary is too

1:11:57

fucking much. You know? Like, let's

1:12:00

spread it out a little bit in my hands.

1:12:02

Mhmm. Yeah. The the rich thing

1:12:05

I've been thinking about because I was just,

1:12:07

you know, traveling for couple weeks. in

1:12:09

California. And it really drives

1:12:11

home the point that rich

1:12:13

is very relative to the place

1:12:16

where you are. Like, LA

1:12:18

rich is like

1:12:20

global rich. That's like Dubai Rich.

1:12:22

That's rich everywhere. but you

1:12:24

can go to a place like a small town

1:12:27

on the coast and the person that

1:12:29

owns the biggest house might

1:12:31

just be someone who bought the house

1:12:33

forty years ago and has been, like,

1:12:35

very responsible

1:12:38

and kept it up. And that's just where

1:12:40

they live and they just happen to own the biggest house

1:12:42

in town. because maybe the town grew up around them. And

1:12:44

also, you know, I do this thing where

1:12:46

I'll open up Zillow wherever I'm traveling. Uh-huh.

1:12:49

Don't do it. to be like, how much how

1:12:51

much how is this cost here? I know. It's so

1:12:54

crazy because, you know, people

1:12:57

having the biggest house in lower cost

1:12:59

of living area are rich there.

1:13:01

But if they try to move to a higher cost of

1:13:03

living area like New York City,

1:13:06

I'm trying to think of it as San Francisco, even

1:13:08

Seattle, they would not be

1:13:11

rich anymore. They would no longer be

1:13:13

the rich friends. I remember the first time I was

1:13:15

really aware of how much money

1:13:17

people had. was when I went off

1:13:19

to Notre Dame for my freshman

1:13:21

year of college. It's college. It's college. because

1:13:23

you get out of your bubble. You get out of your bubble. You're out

1:13:25

of your neighborhood, and you get a sense of, like,

1:13:28

oh, you

1:13:29

know,

1:13:30

I had I knew somebody whose

1:13:32

parents just like paid

1:13:33

for college. She didn't qualify for

1:13:35

financial aid. and

1:13:36

it was all like need based at my school.

1:13:38

So her parents just wrote a fifty

1:13:40

thousand dollar check every year and that was okay.

1:13:43

Like, what? It blew my mind

1:13:45

that people could, like, write checks that big.

1:13:47

And, yeah, and and and

1:13:50

sometimes it would be, like, we're gonna go on we're going

1:13:52

up to Canada this weekend. Do you wanna come with? Or we're

1:13:54

gonna do this real quick. And

1:13:57

the understanding of

1:13:59

oh,

1:13:59

I can't do

1:14:01

the things that that all of you can

1:14:03

do because I don't have as much money.

1:14:05

That was, like, very very stark.

1:14:07

Meghan, I wonder if you have,

1:14:09

like, right now I mean, we're we're

1:14:11

like older and probably a little less awkward

1:14:13

around money. Now, do you have any friends

1:14:16

that are like super rich and when you hang

1:14:18

out with them? What is that like? Like LA

1:14:20

rich? You know, I

1:14:22

honestly I've cut those people up. No. I

1:14:24

am. There's definitely people

1:14:28

that are that are super

1:14:30

rich. I I also think, like,

1:14:32

as I've gotten older, you really

1:14:34

and now it's

1:14:35

a hundred percent, like, our money or whatever.

1:14:37

The you you realize how differently

1:14:40

people want to spend their money. And

1:14:42

so they'll be I have friends that we

1:14:44

maybe have the same sort of finances

1:14:47

or in the same place. and and

1:14:49

they're willing to spend so

1:14:51

much on x that I go,

1:14:53

I would never. And then they think the way that

1:14:55

I spend money is like you

1:14:57

know, like, I I like to,

1:15:00

like, focus cost.

1:15:02

And it's like, I'm then I'll

1:15:04

just not go someplace. Like, if it's, like, if it's not

1:15:06

a possibility for me to do that, then I'm, like,

1:15:08

that'll not go. And because

1:15:10

I'm just, like, the travel is so terrible

1:15:12

that it, like, I need to at least have it

1:15:15

be a little less terrible, and I know that

1:15:17

that's baffling, but I'm like, oh, thank goodness.

1:15:19

I recently learned someone close

1:15:22

to me that I love is rich. Oh,

1:15:24

secret rich.

1:15:26

Not even secret rich, just I didn't

1:15:28

have my eyes fully open. And

1:15:30

they weren't hiding it. But I

1:15:32

was like, wow. Wow.

1:15:34

Okay. And then I started,

1:15:37

like, putting the pieces back together and I

1:15:39

go, that makes sense snow. Makes sense

1:15:41

now. And then also, like,

1:15:43

I want this. Like, you know what? Like,

1:15:46

how can I get them to send me some lopsters,

1:15:48

you know, like, kind of like,

1:15:50

oh, that makes sense why they've done these kind

1:15:53

things for me. But also, I

1:15:55

think they could've gotten Conrad a bigger present.

1:15:57

You know, like, that's sort of

1:15:59

but I have a friend who got

1:16:02

rich overnight too. Mhmm. And

1:16:04

we all, like, knew it. And it's so

1:16:06

you know, it's inspirational to go, wow.

1:16:09

this could happen. Mhmm. But it's also

1:16:11

like, oh, wow. She's kinda leaving us in

1:16:13

the dust. Mhmm. And

1:16:15

it can create a difficult dynamic,

1:16:18

I think, in a relationship for sure of,

1:16:20

like, are they going to pay

1:16:23

for everybody? Or is it

1:16:25

gonna they're gonna pay for more and

1:16:27

we're gonna pay what we can. Like,

1:16:29

how

1:16:29

do you navigate

1:16:31

kind of the situation as

1:16:33

an adult when it's not parents

1:16:36

money. When it's someone's hard

1:16:38

earned money, I think that's a little bit

1:16:40

more sensitive. Mhmm.

1:16:42

something super interesting that came out

1:16:44

earlier this year was analysis

1:16:48

of data around rich

1:16:50

friends and poor kids. And this

1:16:52

analysis found that if you're a

1:16:54

lower income middle class person, having

1:16:56

rich friends can actually

1:16:58

give you a boost in

1:17:01

class mobility, which I found

1:17:03

super fascinating. Elizabeth, what

1:17:05

did you make of that data point?

1:17:08

It makes sense. Right? It's

1:17:10

like if you have a super rich friend,

1:17:13

you are probably exposed to different

1:17:15

things. You're welcomed into different environments.

1:17:17

and you get a sense of what is

1:17:20

possible. Right? So I think it's

1:17:22

like all of us have, I think, example

1:17:25

of going to college and

1:17:27

realizing that there are some

1:17:29

really rich people out there. I mean, my

1:17:32

growing up, I was in a very, very,

1:17:34

very working class town.

1:17:36

And I remember my first week, Rotten

1:17:39

Bitch, second floor, Chittenden Hall University

1:17:41

of Vermont was like, Alyssa, who was the richest

1:17:43

person in your town, as if I could

1:17:45

have never been around a rich person. They're

1:17:48

bullying you? Yes, because I was such a

1:17:50

hic. Well, here's the truth. When she

1:17:52

asked the question, I was like, I

1:17:54

think it would be the horse doctor.

1:17:56

And she they were like, what?

1:17:59

I was like, you know,

1:17:59

the equine bet. I think they had two

1:18:02

superbans. I think they were probably the richest

1:18:04

ever. As superbans back

1:18:07

in ninety too or whatever.

1:18:09

We're very different than they are. Now they were actually

1:18:11

like work vehicles. And so I think

1:18:13

that, you know, it wasn't

1:18:15

until I went to college and

1:18:17

even got into politics and

1:18:20

was around really, really rich people

1:18:22

that I was like, who knew?

1:18:24

You know, who knew these opportunities existed?

1:18:27

some of which you can pursue without being

1:18:29

wealthy, but you might not know about because you've

1:18:31

never been exposed to them. So

1:18:33

I think it's like think a great

1:18:35

example is something like an internship, so

1:18:37

many of which are now paid. But something

1:18:40

that in high school, I didn't know what internship

1:18:42

were or I didn't know that that was an

1:18:44

option. And the truth is, by being around

1:18:46

people who talked about them because they could,

1:18:49

because they didn't have to worry

1:18:51

about paying for, you

1:18:52

know, their life while they were in the internship.

1:18:55

I

1:18:55

was like, well, I can do that. I can figure it

1:18:58

out. And even though My parents

1:19:00

did not fork over a big check for me

1:19:02

to take an internship. Guess what?

1:19:04

I was the maturation lunigs on

1:19:06

Church Street in Burlington. I baby

1:19:08

sat out and, what that clover? I

1:19:10

don't remember the name of the town was began to see,

1:19:13

but I figured it out, you know, but the

1:19:15

idea of even pursuing it probably

1:19:17

wouldn't have occurred to me, had I not

1:19:19

heard these people, for whom it was just

1:19:21

a part of their, of course, part of

1:19:23

their college experience is something they were gonna

1:19:25

do. So I think that the study

1:19:27

rather made good sense to me. Mhmm.

1:19:31

I've seen people attach themselves

1:19:33

to rich people for this exact purpose.

1:19:36

But then it begs the question is, what if there's

1:19:38

no rich people around you? Mhmm. So

1:19:40

then you're just left out and look, who do you attach

1:19:42

to? the equine doctor.

1:19:44

But what if you don't know any organization? It's

1:19:46

not easy. Also,

1:19:48

some of those equine people can be very snotty.

1:19:51

Oh, no. The horse people wait.

1:19:53

If someone likes horses, you go to

1:19:55

Ching, I'll attach to you. Thank you.

1:19:58

Oh, I gonna say if someone likes horses,

1:20:00

do not make any jokes about people who like horses

1:20:02

around them because

1:20:03

they Don't even use blue.

1:20:05

Do you not like horses?

1:20:08

horse people jokes. Yep. That's one of the main

1:20:10

things that

1:20:10

horse people don't like as jokes, but horse people.

1:20:12

Have you ever been

1:20:15

the rich friend, Tian?

1:20:16

Have

1:20:17

you ever, like, been, like, oh, I'm I'm

1:20:20

the rich friend, and this is

1:20:22

a new thing I'm feeling. I

1:20:24

I honestly it's a new thing that I'm feeling

1:20:27

since being on how I met your

1:20:29

father and I am

1:20:31

trying to just, like, return

1:20:34

very generous things that friends of mine

1:20:36

have been able to like, with with

1:20:38

the study of, like, being, you know, across class, like,

1:20:40

I think I benefited from that because when I first

1:20:42

moved to Chicago, I

1:20:44

stayed with friends and slept in their couches,

1:20:47

crashed on, like, they were able

1:20:49

to, like, pay rent and they didn't make me pay rent.

1:20:51

Like, these were some of the sort of trickle

1:20:53

down benefits that I have from that. So I'm hoping

1:20:55

to, like, return the favor. I'm

1:20:58

trying to. And I think, you know,

1:21:01

in working in entertainment, you

1:21:03

have a lot of friends and I've been

1:21:05

on the receiving end of this generosity

1:21:08

of just like when your friends make it there

1:21:10

are other people that are still trying to figure it out

1:21:12

and it's and you know how hard it is to

1:21:14

be at that spot where, like, jobs become

1:21:16

quiet. And so I am that

1:21:19

rich friend to some groups of

1:21:21

my friends right now, and I'm getting

1:21:24

dinners every now and then. But,

1:21:26

like, you know, just trying to

1:21:29

kind of pay it forward in the way that people

1:21:31

have been so generous

1:21:32

to me. Mhmm.

1:21:34

Yeah. I think that

1:21:36

is I

1:21:37

guess, the the best thing that you can

1:21:40

do when you're the rich person is try to

1:21:42

be, like, mindful. One thing that I

1:21:44

have tried not to be, and I'm again,

1:21:47

I'm in Los Angeles, so I

1:21:49

get to live out every single

1:21:51

place on the socioeconomic

1:21:52

spectrum depending on what neighborhood

1:21:55

I'm in. But

1:21:56

I remember when I was

1:21:58

in

1:21:58

college or right after college and I didn't

1:22:01

have any money and I didn't have any help.

1:22:02

I remember how

1:22:05

demoralizing and, like, embarrassed

1:22:07

I would feel when a rich friend would wanna

1:22:09

do something and I couldn't do it because of money.

1:22:12

Like, the assumption that I could

1:22:14

do it

1:22:15

was like, oh, you think I'm rich, but I'm

1:22:17

not. It brought up all these, like, feelings of

1:22:19

of shame and inadequacy. When in fact,

1:22:22

like, a lot of your economic circumstances

1:22:24

are

1:22:24

due to factors totally beyond due control.

1:22:27

And so now whenever I'm in a situation

1:22:29

where like, you

1:22:30

know, I'm higher income

1:22:33

significantly than a person I'm spending time with.

1:22:35

I really try to

1:22:38

think about whether or not

1:22:40

I'm

1:22:41

pushing them into that space -- Mhmm. -- that

1:22:43

I used to hate to go into. Alyssa,

1:22:45

you're nodding. would love to hear that. No. I

1:22:47

just think that there are, like, lots of good kinds

1:22:49

of rich people. Right? And they're bad

1:22:51

rich people. And the really good

1:22:54

rich friends are the ones who fucking

1:22:56

take a beat and think about it. Mhmm. And

1:22:58

if I am the rich friend in an

1:23:00

instant and I wanna do something and

1:23:03

I want that person to come with me and

1:23:05

do it with me. It's like, you know what? I

1:23:07

wanna go see Stevie Knicks. The tickets are

1:23:09

ridiculous. I got you one. It's

1:23:11

an early birthday present. Like, you do something

1:23:13

that makes them not feel less than. and

1:23:16

just, like, include them in

1:23:18

the experience that you

1:23:20

wanna have. And I just think

1:23:22

that, like, assuming

1:23:25

It's

1:23:25

like if you really wanna do something,

1:23:28

I just think that, like, there was

1:23:30

no worse feeling than when people would

1:23:32

be like, oh, hey, we're all going to Barbados.

1:23:34

You know, do you wanna come? And it's like, in what fucking

1:23:36

world? Do you think I can afford to go

1:23:38

to fucking Barbados at age twenty

1:23:40

two? Do you know what I mean? Like, Like, it was

1:23:43

almost fantastical. It made me think less of

1:23:45

them. I was like, shouldn't you be saving your money? That's

1:23:47

what my parents told me I should be doing. But,

1:23:50

you know, it's like to me, as an adult,

1:23:53

I have some really fucking

1:23:55

rich friends. And the best one,

1:23:57

my fave, my all time fave, I

1:24:00

I saw how much she was I mean, she had told

1:24:03

me how much she was making at her job, but

1:24:05

it was reported in the financial times.

1:24:07

And I just sent her a note, and I was, like, for

1:24:09

the wreck to avoid

1:24:12

any confusion going forward. Dinner

1:24:14

shall always be on you, but your

1:24:16

job will always be

1:24:17

free.

1:24:19

just like labs. You know, and and

1:24:22

but then there are the people who,

1:24:25

you know, ask you to do something beyond

1:24:27

your means and you think it's important

1:24:29

to them so you do it. And then

1:24:31

you show up and the asshole is

1:24:34

like, do you know this outfit was like thirty

1:24:36

grand? And all I can think

1:24:38

is one, I'm never doing anything for you again. And

1:24:40

second, you know how many people you could have fed

1:24:42

with your fucking stupid outfit. And

1:24:44

so I just think too, like, having the

1:24:46

rich friends that you know support good

1:24:48

causes and are very

1:24:50

helpful to people when they can be helpful

1:24:53

in it. It's not the rich friend's

1:24:55

responsibility to always pay, but

1:24:57

I think it is the person's responsibility to

1:24:59

know the environment they're creating

1:25:02

and to make sure that if you're really their friend, they're

1:25:04

making you feel comfortable and in

1:25:06

in the environment. Mhmm. And

1:25:08

also, you know, there may come a day that

1:25:10

you need to eat them. Dinner

1:25:12

is not nearly possible. Dinner

1:25:14

is on -- Yes. and also

1:25:17

possibly one day in writing

1:25:19

to you. Yeah. I

1:25:22

do think there are people that it

1:25:24

does make them uncomfortable to have

1:25:26

people pay for them. Yeah. Like, I have

1:25:28

encountered people where it's like, oh, they just

1:25:30

and and I don't and and that I'm

1:25:33

not one of them. So can't understand

1:25:35

the psyche. But, like, I have

1:25:37

seen it happen and it really But

1:25:40

can I ask you a question? Do you think

1:25:42

it's because of how it is offered? Do

1:25:44

you know what I mean? Like a pity look?

1:25:46

Do you think it is because the person gives

1:25:48

the look like I know you're poorer than me,

1:25:50

so I got it. You know? I

1:25:52

think it absolutely could be. I think it

1:25:54

also could just be it may

1:25:56

be like,

1:25:57

confirms the self

1:25:59

consciousness

1:25:59

they've been feeling -- Uh-huh. --

1:26:02

of, like, oh, I'm not in the place I

1:26:04

wanna be. And now I'm taking you

1:26:06

know, we've all heard the handout. I don't wanna hand

1:26:08

out, and it's like, oh, my hand is out, and I will take

1:26:10

anything. Thank you. I'm

1:26:13

I'm constantly asking for free things. But

1:26:15

but it may just I think it could also be

1:26:17

people's upbringing too like, it's

1:26:20

been pounded into them, like, nothing is

1:26:22

free. You know, that sort of, like, you're always

1:26:24

gonna have to be owed something. They're gonna

1:26:26

want something from you. And I know

1:26:28

women especially have been told

1:26:30

that about interactions with with

1:26:33

male counterparts

1:26:33

too. Mhmm.

1:26:35

yeah, that's that's definitely true. And it

1:26:37

is a it's a complicated space to

1:26:39

navigate. We'll put it that way. That

1:26:41

is about all the time we have for this rich friends

1:26:44

conversation. Hopefully, the next time we talk,

1:26:46

all of you will have yachts and you will invite me

1:26:48

onto them. And if I have a yat, you will be invited

1:26:50

onto mine. I can't imagine ever buying a

1:26:52

yacht. This seems like a waste of money. But

1:26:55

regardless, you can come to my

1:26:58

let's see. pool deck. How about that?

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1:27:03

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Alright.

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We've almost reached the end of the show, but not

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aka Sandy petty. Let's get

1:33:15

started. I'm gonna go first because

1:33:17

I feel very strongly about this, and I know it's gonna

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make a lot of people mad. So maybe by the end

1:33:21

of the episode, people will have forgotten that I said

1:33:23

this thing if the rest of you have something better

1:33:25

to say which I'm hoping. I don't

1:33:27

like cemeteries, and I'm not not saying

1:33:29

that.

1:33:31

I'm not really that because no.

1:33:33

No. I love a cemetery as, like, a piece

1:33:35

of, like you know, oh, cool.

1:33:37

It's a peaceful place. But what

1:33:39

a terrible use of land? What a

1:33:42

terrible use

1:33:44

of land? Especially in dense

1:33:46

areas with housing shortages, you're

1:33:48

gonna give a bunch of prime

1:33:51

real estate to dead

1:33:53

people. Dead people who have been involved

1:33:55

with chemicals that are aggressively

1:33:58

harmful to the environment. We're

1:34:00

going to preserve dead people and we're

1:34:03

gonna put them in these high demand

1:34:05

spaces Mausoleums, whatever.

1:34:08

And I don't care how beautiful the

1:34:10

carving is. I don't care about how

1:34:12

spooky the gravestone is. cemeteries

1:34:15

in high population density areas

1:34:17

with housing shortages should

1:34:19

not exist. They're

1:34:23

bad. Diggum. Get

1:34:25

them up. Erin says, dig them

1:34:28

up. I don't care if they all

1:34:30

hunt me. I am say like, there's this

1:34:33

giant cemetery in Brooklyn, and I'm

1:34:35

sure when it was -- Oh, yeah. -- that that not

1:34:37

not greenwood, the one that you pass on the way

1:34:39

up I guess that's what you're talking about.

1:34:41

Yeah.

1:34:41

I did too. I did too.

1:34:43

Yeah. I used

1:34:44

to live near Greenwood, and and it was, like,

1:34:46

before there was, like, a scary clown anyway,

1:34:48

I'll talk more about that. in a future episode.

1:34:50

Yeah. I think I think that cemeteries in high density

1:34:52

urban areas are a wasteful use

1:34:54

of land. And I think that

1:34:57

embalming people before

1:34:59

they are put into the ground is

1:35:01

a very passé thing

1:35:03

to do. And when I die, I

1:35:05

would like to be made into compost.

1:35:10

And that's it doesn't make me better than

1:35:12

you. It makes me grosser. I

1:35:14

just want to be made into a pile of dirt, and don't

1:35:16