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Okay, so this is Michael Rappaport.

1:08

How are you? Uh? I am

1:10

in my car driving to an

1:12

undisclosed location to interview

1:15

one of the most important,

1:19

uh influential and

1:21

UH ship. He's a pillar

1:24

of podcasting, uh,

1:26

Adam Carolla. I'm about

1:28

to go interview him. Um, I'm excited.

1:32

UM, I'm a fan of his. Uh.

1:34

You know, he's been doing this podcast ship before

1:36

people knew a podcasts were So

1:39

he's definitely somebody who I respect

1:41

and who uh I mean

1:43

he you know, he's he's the man like,

1:45

he's he's the guy like. He's sort of like

1:47

the Don corleone of

1:50

the microphone. I just I

1:53

just made that up, the motherfucking

1:56

Don corleone of the microphone. I might have

1:58

to give that to him and then take that back. I

2:00

like that. I'm surprised a rapper has

2:03

never said that, sho. I gotta make sure that no one's ever said

2:05

that. That was fucking good and that

2:07

was totally unplanned. So anyway, I'm getting ready

2:09

to go interview Adam Corolla

2:12

for the brand new episode

2:14

of UH Iron Report. Um

2:17

and uh, like I said, you know, he's made

2:19

movies, he's uh

2:22

comedian, he fucking races cars.

2:25

He shuts down the podcast

2:27

game. He can build

2:29

houses, he could fix ship,

2:32

he could do all sorts of ship. He

2:34

he's definitely, like you know, influential and

2:36

monumental, like you know, love Line, Uh

2:39

fucking The Man Show with Jimmy

2:42

Kimmel, Crank Anchors. He's

2:44

done a lot of ship, and he's continuing

2:46

to do a lot of ship and and

2:48

and while he's doing it. The thing

2:50

probably that I respect and admire the most about is

2:52

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for you? Adam? All right, this is the Iron

4:11

rapp Coorp Podcast, and

4:13

I'm sitting down with arguably

4:17

the godfather, the Marlon Brando,

4:19

the Don Corleone of podcasting.

4:22

I don't know any of those names. You never heard of this

4:25

Don Corleone, Marlon

4:27

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4:29

no, Marlon never The Fish

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did a couple of films in the sixties

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seventies. I'm from North Hollywood,

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not cor Leone, and movie god from year

4:38

in the film industry podcast.

4:41

Alright, Well, arguably the Don

4:43

Corleone of this entire podcast

4:46

world. Adam Corolla is generous

4:48

enough to be sitting down, so I could

4:50

pick your brain about your career,

4:53

podcasting, your documentaries,

4:55

how many hours you actually sleep? Um,

4:58

rebuilding homes. I I have a bunch

5:00

of questions and I'll just jump into it. When

5:03

you started your podcast, did you ever

5:05

think that everybody and his

5:07

fucking mother, including my mother. She

5:10

has her own podcast. It's called Michael

5:12

Rapport's mother Podcast because my name

5:14

podcast is called I Am Rappaport, So

5:17

she just riding my coattails as she does.

5:20

You know, my father started on, but he couldn't figure out how to

5:22

do the equipment, so they never got, you know,

5:24

uh off the ground. But when you started podcasting,

5:27

tell me number one, did

5:29

you ever imagine that it would become sort of a

5:32

mainstream thing? Did you ever imagine

5:34

that you'd be interviewing some of the people that you're

5:36

interviewing now, Donald Trump, Mark

5:39

Marin, did President um?

5:42

Uh, you had recently had me Michael

5:44

Rappaport on your show. I mean these are landmark things,

5:46

like it was like Obama Trump Rapp

5:48

Report, Like, did you ever imagine that it would be?

5:51

By the way, I don't know why you're putting them in that order. Well,

5:53

you know, I'm trying to be hard then there's

5:55

a big gap. It's a free fall. Then

5:58

Obama Trump Obama.

6:00

It's hard to tell. Second rap

6:03

report, of course, hold on, and

6:05

there's like a ten Mississippi then

6:08

Trump Obama Obama like rapport. Let

6:10

that sink in asshole. That's what the

6:13

when I say ten Mississippi that I mean, let that sink

6:15

an asshole. First, we'll tell me what the climate

6:17

and the landscape was of podcasting

6:19

then and then Did you ever imagine that it would

6:21

turn out to be such a mainstream

6:24

sort of place for all

6:26

sorts of stuff going on? Uh No,

6:28

I never imagined anything. But I never

6:30

do imagine anything. I simply

6:34

get up and I go to work. And

6:36

I've never imagined

6:39

having a career in show business.

6:41

I never imagined being on

6:43

the New York Times bestseller list. I

6:45

never imagined making a documentary that

6:47

that was all when I grew up.

6:51

That was something for other people. Having

6:54

a credit card was something for other

6:56

people. Having a car that

6:59

had air condition that worked was something

7:01

other folks had. Having

7:03

a car that was built in

7:06

this decade that we were in was

7:08

something that other people had. Going on

7:10

a ski vacation that

7:12

was you know, you need a lift pass, you

7:14

need skis, you need boots, that you need

7:17

a cabin. Everything was something

7:19

somebody else did it. So I

7:21

never thought about

7:25

me in relationship to anything

7:27

other than just get up and go to work. Um,

7:30

as far as the podcast and goes, I

7:34

started. I believe it

7:36

was the twentieth of February

7:38

two thousand and nine, and

7:42

I was getting booted

7:44

off of my radio show and

7:46

it was coming to an end. And

7:49

I had been on the air,

7:52

uh pretty much continuously at

7:55

that point for about fourteen

7:57

years, just NonStop,

8:00

and I had built

8:02

this relationship up with these people. The

8:05

difference between the radio relationship

8:08

and the TV relationship

8:10

or the movie relationship. The movie

8:12

relationship is almost no relationship.

8:15

You don't know who that star is. You

8:17

don't know Russell Crowe. Used

8:20

to see Captain one week and a Greek

8:23

soldier the next. You don't even know

8:25

who the guy is. Um,

8:28

it doesn't mean they're bad guys or any guys. You

8:31

don't know Russell Crowe. You know Russell

8:33

Crowe, the boxer, Russell Crowe, the Captain,

8:35

Russell Crowe, the Greek warrior.

8:39

Uh, but um,

8:41

a Roman warrior and I don't even know who the fun you're

8:43

talking about when you say Russell, so

8:46

you don't know who that is. And then when it comes

8:48

to the TV show, it's like, hey,

8:50

there's all the gang from the

8:53

Big Bang Theory. I don't

8:55

know those guys. I might like their

8:57

show, I don't know them. I um.

9:01

But when it comes to radio, if

9:04

you're doing your job right, you know

9:06

that dude and or that

9:09

gal, and you have a relationship

9:12

with that person. And that's

9:14

why after doing

9:17

you know, ten years of love line, ten

9:19

years plus of love line, you do

9:21

not have people. When I was winding

9:23

up love Line, they're like, no, don't

9:26

go, don't do it, you know, and

9:28

again I'll go

9:30

see a Russell Crowe movie. But I don't feel

9:32

empty inside. It's like a relationship

9:35

breaking up with this person. You'll

9:38

never see them again, you know. And it's

9:40

part of their life. It's part of their schedule, their

9:42

their week, their day. Yeah

9:44

right. So um,

9:47

when I went off the air, I

9:50

had a lot of fans and

9:52

a lot of places around the

9:54

country who didn't want to lose

9:57

that relationship with me. So

10:00

what I said to them is I

10:02

will start this podcast thing and

10:05

we will be able to communicate.

10:08

We will we won't. Now it's not really gonna

10:10

be a two way street because I don't have

10:12

phone lines and I'm not reading Twitter,

10:14

and I'm not sure if I even know what Twitter

10:16

is. But if you would like

10:19

to hear my voice every

10:21

day, uninterrupted,

10:25

you will hear my voice uninterrupted

10:27

every day, same schedule

10:29

we were on for the last fourteen

10:32

years. And I'll

10:34

do my best to fulfill that that side

10:36

of it. And did and did you? And but

10:38

like what what were podcasts then? And

10:41

like what did you did you think anyone was listening?

10:43

Like what like what did you think they like?

10:45

Because it was I mean like the last three

10:47

or four years, probably the last

10:49

three years, you know, it was like I didn't

10:51

even know what they were that much in the last four

10:53

years, I don't know. And then and when that one podcast

10:56

um about the killing serial,

10:58

that really took it to an other level because it

11:00

became like no one who even thought about

11:03

podcasts were like you gotta listen to this thing and

11:05

a lot like but so in two thousand nine, when you started

11:07

doing your podcast, like were

11:10

you doing it because you felt like an obligation

11:12

to the fans? Was it hum an

11:15

outlet? Like what made you continue to do

11:17

when it wasn't like obviously at the time, it couldn't have been

11:19

um a very lucrative thing. Right

11:22

now, it was the It was the opposite

11:25

of lucrative, which

11:27

was it cost me x

11:29

amount of dollars in bandwidth to do

11:31

it every single day and

11:33

every month I'd get slammed the bill, and

11:36

bandwidth was a lot more expensive back

11:38

then. I think it was sort

11:40

of like a lot of you

11:42

know, I think what

11:44

happens with technologies that keeps getting

11:47

cheaper, So you

11:49

got behind your head. There's a couple of forty

11:52

two or forty eight inch plasma TVs,

11:55

and those TVs used to be a

11:58

big deal, a big deal in

12:02

those things were ten thousand dollars

12:04

and now they're And

12:07

bandwidth I think was

12:09

that kind of thing too. People weren't using

12:12

it and it was expensive. And

12:16

I was popular because

12:19

I knew I was popular because I knew how much bandwidth

12:21

I was burning out and I was doing my show,

12:23

So I had this thing where

12:26

I knew I was using a lot of bandwidth.

12:29

I knew the show was popular,

12:31

but also there was no way to monetize

12:34

the show back then because

12:36

it didn't exist. There was no um

12:39

template for anybody to

12:42

monetize the podcast. Now, the reality

12:44

is what I knew and what

12:46

Madison Avenue should have found out about.

12:50

It would be a good name for porn star,

12:52

right, Madison Avenue? Yeah?

12:55

Absolutely? Has it not been used? I'd watch

12:57

your fuck Yeah, Madison Avenue. I don't think

12:59

it's been used. Go to Madison Avenue. I'd

13:01

like to check her out. Take a walk on Madison

13:03

Avenue and she'd

13:05

be like, I got a campaign, don't

13:09

so. Um, I didn't have

13:11

any way to make you know. The reality is is

13:15

any time, and now now

13:17

that we figured it out. I

13:20

don't know why we're so stupid, But all

13:22

you want is people in

13:24

the tent, and then you do your

13:26

advertising to those people in the tent.

13:29

So what's the difference between a radio show, a

13:31

TV show, or even a banner

13:33

flying over the beach on the

13:36

fourth of July. That's takati on

13:38

it. It's just people on the beach.

13:40

Now, if you want to do the banner plane

13:43

and you want to do it on the fourth of July, it

13:45

probably cost you more than to do it

13:48

on Christmas Day because there's just not that

13:50

many people at the beach. But either way,

13:53

all Takati wants is as

13:55

their name out in front of X

13:58

amount of you know, it's why Goodyear came up

14:00

the blimp, let's fly this over

14:02

the the rose ball and

14:06

all this is is X amount

14:08

of people listening and then

14:10

you sort of put a price on it and that's

14:12

it. That's it. And I don't know why

14:16

people that were selling deodorant

14:19

or tires or booze or anything

14:21

couldn't figure that out five six,

14:24

seven, eight years ago. But it

14:26

didn't exist. And when stuff

14:28

doesn't exist, we have a

14:30

hard time making it exist. And

14:33

then at some point it exists, and then once

14:35

it exists, it's everywhere,

14:38

everywhere. And that's that's what this

14:40

is. And what do you what do you think of like the the

14:42

the the the climate now because

14:44

it's now, it's like literally there's

14:46

a podcast for everything. Everyone

14:50

has when And I think that that's a great

14:52

thing. It's kind of like, you know, when when

14:54

at first, like with filmmaking, you know,

14:56

at first was like film is dead, Film is dead, digital

14:59

cameras, digital camera and I

15:01

missed film just because I think it's

15:03

as a purity to it in terms of filmmakers

15:05

shooting on film. But I think that there's it's

15:07

a great thing for like young kids,

15:09

for um, you know, people that never went

15:11

to film school, but that have a vision. Anybody

15:14

can make a film, like I think in the next it

15:16

could be any any minute now already any season

15:18

now, like a great film that gets

15:20

nominated, uh for an oscar

15:22

will have been shot on you know, you

15:25

know iPhones. It can happen because you

15:27

know, like anybody could do it. So what do you think,

15:29

Like, are you like all these fucking people they're all doing

15:32

podcasts? Is there a party that's like that? Like

15:34

do you listen to other pockets? Are you like or you

15:36

just like I'm Don Corleone. I don't

15:38

know who you. I know you don't know who that is. I'm sucking

15:40

Marlon Brando again. It's a reference. I know you don't

15:43

know what it's. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

15:45

I'm an Italian

15:47

heritage. You know no

15:49

idea that John Gotti, No,

15:52

never heard of it. Oh you're familiar

15:54

with that. There's a racing ram

15:57

that Newman used to run on some of his old GT

15:59

one car. It's a gotty ram. I don't know, different,

16:02

different different guys. John

16:05

Gotti didn't make no tires, no

16:07

tires at all. I don't think. I don't know. I don't know. Okay,

16:09

that's fine, But I mean, like, do you think it's a good

16:12

thing? Do you think it to Bethan? Do you judge it? Are

16:14

you like kiss kiss the ring? Like? What

16:16

do you feel about it? Because you're such a part of the

16:18

zecheist, you're such a part of the fabric

16:21

of of podcasting, I

16:24

never think

16:26

about much. Honestly,

16:29

my my biggest um

16:32

qualm no shortcoming,

16:35

just like emotional shortcoming is

16:38

having having no self esteem,

16:41

but not having low self esteem just

16:43

no selfist doesn't exist. I don't

16:45

exist. So once in a while

16:48

somebody will say to me, you

16:50

know that person,

16:53

it would mean a lot to them if you went up

16:55

to them and said blah blah blah. And

16:57

my sad answer is always why

17:00

do they care? And they go because

17:02

you're the boss, or you're the you're

17:04

the podfather whatever, and I go,

17:06

I'm just some asshole from North Hollywood,

17:09

and they go, no, it'd be very It's very important

17:11

to them what you think, and it's

17:13

important to

17:15

them what I think. And they go, yeah,

17:18

don't you know, And I go no, why would

17:20

it be important. I can't. No

17:23

matter how much intellectually I understand

17:25

it, I can't process

17:28

it, embrace that I get it, I understand.

17:30

So in my world, when

17:34

I do interviews or I talk to people

17:36

and they go, what's it like or it must

17:38

be nice or you have this legacy or whatever it

17:40

is, I go why or who

17:42

knows? Or no. I never I

17:46

get up every morning and I think

17:48

about ship I need to do, and

17:51

then that's it. I never think about

17:53

my place in the universe. I never

17:55

think about who's going to think

17:57

what of me when I'm gone

18:00

or here I'm I'm

18:02

one of the bigger. It's

18:05

so weird, but one of the bigger. For

18:08

me. It's always like someone will go, oh, I was listening

18:10

to such and such and such and such and they were talking about

18:12

you and blah blaha. And I'm always always like why

18:14

and they're like, well, because you're the guy wants to they

18:17

want to know blah blah blah, and I go, but why

18:19

me? I don't know. It's it's stupid.

18:21

Intellectually I should understand

18:23

it, but I think my parents created such

18:25

a monster that I can't

18:28

most sort of confused by it more than

18:31

anything else. Uh. I'm

18:33

happy to go to work

18:35

and do my business. Um,

18:38

I'm proud to provide

18:41

a living for X amount of people employees,

18:44

and you know I don't.

18:47

It's a hell of a lot better than roofing. And

18:50

then after that I stopped thinking about

18:52

it. I hear you, all right, all right, all right, that's fair enough.

18:55

That's fair enough. All right. Let me answer you a question

18:57

as far as people that you

19:00

like, if you had a top three list going

19:02

forward, if you were like, because you've an interviewed, you've

19:04

talked to so many different people on all different variations

19:07

of your shows, podcast that the talk

19:09

show, I mean, there's been You've come across a lot of

19:11

people. There's three people that are living right

19:14

now that you were like, I want boom

19:16

boom boom, boom boom before they pass away besides

19:19

me, because we already went over that, who would they be?

19:21

Like? Who are the people that you're the most curious about of anybody?

19:24

And and and and so they gotta

19:26

be living. Now we're down to two. Just

19:29

throw on, I'll give you three.

19:32

They're all living. Uh.

19:35

Adam Carolla, age eleven,

19:38

I'm Coral, aged seventeen, and Adam Coral

19:40

aged twent seven, that you could

19:42

ask yourself questions. I wouldn't ask

19:44

myself questions. I tell myself a bunch of ship. I'd

19:47

coach my I hear you. I would coach

19:49

my eleven year old self upself

19:53

up, and then I hear that

19:55

would be my ultimate fantasy. I hear you. I

19:57

hear you because I mean for me, like just

19:59

when you just what about like I almost got like I

20:01

got a chill because for me,

20:03

when I was eleven, that was

20:05

a sort of douche answer. No,

20:07

I'm gonna get to read the right answer for you. I'm gonna get

20:09

the right answer from you. But no, I understand that.

20:11

But like eleven, I don't know what my head was. But

20:14

seventeen, I was so fucking dumb.

20:16

And at that time I thought, that's

20:18

at the point in my life where I thought I was as smart

20:21

as I could ever be. But I was as

20:23

dumb as I ever was. I

20:25

can't say that about eleven because you're eleven. Seven.

20:28

I started it started to crack the cold, like you're fucking

20:30

retard. And then thirty seven,

20:33

like it was like hit yourself, you know, with a hammer,

20:35

because like now I realized how fucking dumb you

20:37

were. But seventeen, I would have

20:39

loved to have a conversation with myself,

20:41

like where were you at when you were seventeen? Like were you?

20:44

Like were you? How? Were you? Smart? Dumb?

20:46

Real, dumb, idiotic. I

20:51

was living in

20:53

my parents my dad's

20:55

sorry and step moms uh

20:58

garage in North

21:00

Hollywood. I lived sort

21:02

of basically across the street from North Hollywood

21:05

High School. UM, I

21:07

was playing football and pretty much

21:09

just interested in playing football and

21:11

being as good as I could be, with

21:14

some sort of weird thought about getting

21:17

a scholarship or going away

21:19

somewhere to college and just kind of going away.

21:22

On the other hand, knowing that I didn't

21:24

have any grades or I never took

21:26

any s A T S. I never took algebra.

21:29

I just took math and stuff like that. So like

21:31

I knew I didn't have the grades to go anywhere,

21:34

and I was just sort of maybe

21:36

waiting for somebody to intervene

21:38

or wake up in my life or something,

21:40

or like take my hand and point

21:43

me a direction. But that never happened,

21:46

so I ended up just

21:49

kind of drifting onto a

21:51

construction site when I was nineteen

21:53

and picking up garbage, you know, and then it

21:55

sort of went from there. But uh,

21:58

what would you have told you seventeen year old self? Now,

22:02

I would have said, um,

22:05

all right, you know how

22:07

you're funny, and then I would

22:10

have said, yeah, Well, first I would

22:12

have said quit beating off so

22:14

much. And then I would have been like, well,

22:16

I'm only on my fourth and then I would have

22:18

been like, yeah, but it's before noon. And

22:20

then my seventeen year old self would have been like,

22:22

yeah, but I got up early, and it'd be like, all right,

22:25

let's not waste any more time talking about this, and

22:27

then I get back to the real subject, which is i'd

22:29

say, um,

22:31

first off, forget about football. Don't even don't

22:33

even don't even to hear you say the word again, don't

22:36

even get near the weight room. It's funck

22:38

creatine, it's not. You're not playing. There

22:40

will be no more football. You play your season, your

22:43

your senior season at North Howard

22:45

High, and that'll be enjoy it, Embrace

22:48

it, ever, lace

22:50

up the coleats in earnest ever

22:52

again, never again, never again. So

22:54

that's number one. Number two. Then

22:57

you know how you have a good sense of humor, Yes,

22:59

you know how all you do is get yelled at

23:01

by teachers called disruptive and

23:03

never get laid because of it. Yes, well,

23:06

it's a commodity, and we need to focus

23:08

on that commodity because otherwise

23:11

you and your horrible family will watch

23:13

you rot on a construction site for

23:15

the rest of your life. So let's take this

23:18

ability that is

23:21

not much different than somebody who has the ability

23:23

to play the drums, and let's see

23:26

if we can start harnessing it now and focusing

23:28

it. Just like you would get the young guy drum

23:30

kit and some drum lessons. Let's see when

23:32

you get you a little comedy kit and some comedy lessons,

23:35

and let's start focusing on this because

23:37

this will be a means to an end for you.

23:40

You can be a homeowner, you

23:42

can have you can own a car with air conditioning,

23:45

and have more than one credit card. If we can

23:47

take this thing that

23:49

has thus far been kind of a liability

23:52

in your life and channel it

23:54

toward the light. Okay, okay, okay,

23:56

all right, that that we were in the same sort

23:59

of boat at seventy I think I was. We

24:01

were aneas basketball. It was the same sort

24:03

of thing, all right. So now give me,

24:05

give me the three people besides eleven year old

24:07

Adam Corola, seventeen year old Autam Corol.

24:09

And do we say thirty seven or thirty four? Three

24:14

people on your on your hit list that you would be like

24:16

that, that you're like I want to interview that

24:18

you'd be genuinely excited to

24:21

interview. Uh,

24:24

it could be any any form. Then have three actors,

24:27

politicians, anything that you haven't

24:29

gotten a chance to talk to and pick their

24:31

brain. God, I've gotten

24:34

I've got a chance to talk to so many

24:37

incredible people. I'll

24:40

just say because it's on

24:42

my mind. J. J. Abrams,

24:45

because I've never spoken to him, and

24:47

I think the guy is a genius one and he has

24:49

a motor in him.

24:51

And uh, Tom Cruise

24:54

just because why not it

24:56

never does good interviews or any interviews

24:59

to just really dig

25:01

deep with Tom Cruz

25:04

and uh, I think I

25:07

I think I'd like to. And I

25:09

know him, I've never interviewed

25:11

him, which is Howard Stern,

25:14

which is sort of who is he? You're

25:17

from New York, he wouldn't know, but he's

25:19

a North holliway the guy, but North maybe

25:22

on the tables and really

25:24

dig deep, like when he really gets into those

25:27

really dig deep interviews, flip

25:30

the script and go deep with

25:32

him, right, I mean, I mean he's

25:35

his interviews, don't you think, Like I mean, his interviews

25:37

have because his show has evolved

25:39

so much, but his interview process because you

25:41

know, like I think the main thing is that there's got to be

25:43

an interest. But his interview skills

25:46

are they're so good because he he can make

25:48

people that I could give two ships about an

25:51

interesting interview and it's not even him

25:53

doing all the talking. It's just him prying. He's

25:56

prying the humanity out of them. Yes,

25:58

And I think that's that's

26:00

the thing. I think that's a good list. That's a good

26:02

list. And who out of the three people

26:05

or you could say one or two like where you were like a mountaintop

26:07

moment that you were any ring that you were kind of

26:09

like, holy sh it, I can't believe that I'm getting

26:12

to do this for people that you that you've

26:14

interviewed, Well, they're

26:16

guys I really like, there's

26:18

guys whose ability I really respect.

26:21

I mean there's there's two answers. Um.

26:23

It's fun when every once in a while, someone like

26:25

Alec Baldwin will just call in, just

26:28

listening, just calling in, read

26:31

a tweet calling it. It's kind of fun

26:33

to have a guy like that call

26:35

in. Um for

26:38

me, Uh, I'm

26:40

I'm really flattered when the guys

26:43

I think are really gifted, like

26:45

a Seth McFarlane or Brian

26:47

Kranston want to come in

26:50

talk consider me a friend.

26:53

And that's really flattering,

26:56

uh to me. Um,

26:58

you know, being a that just be on the

27:01

radar of a you know, Donald Trump

27:03

or whomever is kind of kind

27:05

of cool. You know, it's crazy, like, oh,

27:07

I'm this is this is gonna be part of his because

27:09

for him to be interviewed by you, Donald

27:11

Trump, it's like it's obviously needs

27:14

to be some sort of benefit to Donald

27:16

Trump. It's not just because he likes the cadence of your

27:18

voice or he loves the Man Show. I mean, there's

27:20

like there's got to be so there's I mean, it's flattering,

27:22

you know, yeah, yeah, it is, it is. It is flattering,

27:25

and uh, you

27:27

know for me, um,

27:31

just being able. You know, it was actually

27:34

little moments I think for me are

27:36

nice, Like Um, I had

27:38

Jerry Springer in here a couple

27:40

of weeks ago. Jerry Springer sat

27:42

where you're sitting. And all we talked

27:44

about was the Holocaust. His

27:47

family was from Germany. There were Jews

27:49

from Germany. He fled that killed everybody.

27:51

He got out, his parents got out. Then he grew up

27:53

in Brooklyn and blah blah blah.

27:56

And there was no discussion of throwing

27:58

chairs, paturn, any tests or

28:00

anything. And I could tell you

28:03

loved it. I'm sure he loved talking about

28:05

his family, loved talking about his heritage's

28:07

talking about his nana and his grandpa and blah

28:09

blah blah and his German this and that, the Holocaust

28:12

and all everything, and like when we're

28:14

done, he was just like he was like thank

28:16

you, And I'm like, I don't thank me. You

28:19

were great. You know It's like, uh, boy, that felt

28:21

good. Like he just didn't want to answer

28:23

this. Guys, didn't want to answer one more question.

28:26

You know what he didn't want, Jerry

28:28

was the craziest thing that ever happened on your show.

28:31

And you have to tell the same story to seventy

28:33

two times and uh

28:36

to me. When when you can get

28:38

a guy like Jerry Springer

28:41

who's his out there as

28:43

you can, I mean, is known for one

28:45

thing, as you can possibly get. I

28:48

mean, second only to the Burger

28:50

King King in terms of being known

28:52

for this, and talked to the

28:54

dude for an hour, and

28:56

it's all about Germany

28:59

has heritage, his family, the

29:01

Jews. They lived in this village. I moved

29:03

at that village and the Holocaust hit, they

29:05

got around up, they got and it literally,

29:08

Jerry, we didn't even get to the point where he was mayor

29:10

of Cincinnati. Still the whole

29:12

other thing. We're talking about, this whole political activeness

29:14

in the sixties and being part of the

29:16

Black movement, blah blah blah, and it's

29:19

like we didn't even get to

29:21

it right that. I like, that's

29:23

that's uh that. I gotta listen to that because

29:25

I you know, I heard that he was a mayor and like you're

29:27

like, how the fund is he a Mary's doing this crazy

29:30

show with the stuff and all that stuff. So I mean, I

29:32

gotta, uh, I didn't even always Jewish.

29:35

Yeah, I mean, you show a

29:37

picture him now and then you say springer and then

29:39

you'd say in German accent and

29:41

maybe Springberg or Springerberg was,

29:44

but yeah, this whole family is Jewish.

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30:13

right, so let me ask you a question. I'm in the process.

30:16

I either want to move, tear

30:19

the fucking place down and redo it,

30:22

or that that that's training where I'm at my house.

30:24

Now obviously you haven't been there, you haven't seen

30:26

it. But I like, I'm so scared

30:29

to to to get into a major construction

30:32

thing. Now. I know you're you have like you

30:34

need, You probably have a hundred questions you you want

30:36

to ask, But like when

30:38

how I'm so scared of getting fucked

30:41

by contractors. Everyone's

30:44

scared of getting fucked by somebody.

30:46

And contractors are the people like they're known

30:48

as real fox fuckman. They're real, they're

30:50

real stickman, the real coxman,

30:53

their coxman when it comes to fucking people, and

30:55

like they have a reputation. I've never been fucked

30:57

by contractor. Yet I'm scared of

30:59

get fucked by a contractor. I

31:02

mean, if you do a total tear down,

31:04

does your relationship go to shreds? Like my my,

31:06

my girls, Like I don't want to do it. I know

31:08

it's gonna be banned. We have to move out. That's more

31:10

money, and you're paying a mortgage that's more money.

31:12

They say six months, it's probably gonna be eleven

31:15

months. I mean, is is there any

31:17

way to get around the nightmare

31:19

of it? And our construction people

31:21

real coxman and fuckers? And did they

31:23

do it on purpose? Well,

31:26

there's some few answers. Not

31:28

all of them are horrible, as I

31:31

try to explain to everybody all the

31:33

time, and you probably experienced this yourself

31:35

growing up. These guys didn't gravitate

31:37

towards this profession because I have a love of

31:39

woodworking, working with their

31:41

hands. Now they're the losers we went to

31:44

high school with, who have to eat. None

31:47

of them want to do it. I am I

31:49

I. It's like, have

31:52

you ever met a poolman who wanted

31:54

to be a poolman? And or

31:56

was he just a dude with a pickup truck who needs a

31:58

gig? He's not a pool man. Nobody

32:01

said they wanted to be a pool man when they're asked

32:03

in high school what do you want to be? And my

32:05

theory for all these guys

32:09

is for about eleven thou dollars cash,

32:11

you can get him to stop doing whatever they were doing for

32:13

the rest of their lives. That means

32:15

you're not into this profession. They're

32:18

handful of dudes. There's a handful

32:20

of dudes to take a lot of pride in their work

32:22

and so on and so forth. Unfortunately,

32:24

this guy is almost always busy because

32:27

the word gets around pretty quick. So the

32:29

first thing you need, sort of it's

32:32

like all the hot chicks a boyfriends.

32:34

You need a guy who's busy,

32:37

because if he's just hanging around, he

32:39

hasn't worked in six months. He's no good

32:43

all of all. Almost

32:46

all of work construction

32:49

work is referral. It's

32:52

almost all referral, and

32:54

when you're good, you're never out of

32:56

work for a day. He is a reb of fact. There's

32:58

a line of people wanting to get

33:00

you over to their house, but that seems like a hustle

33:03

going busy. I'm busy, I'm busy. And then they don't like

33:05

because I had a guy he he would

33:07

do something. He was I'm busy. I mean like I'll be over

33:09

there at two o'clock and then like he doesn't show and then

33:11

like he was like Mr busy,

33:14

Mr fucking busy. Is that like, is that like a sort of

33:16

reverse psychology? You know what I'm saying?

33:18

That could be a trap. I don't think these

33:20

guys know what reverse psychology.

33:23

They don't even know what regular psychology is. Uh,

33:27

referrals. Look

33:29

at the guy's work and and

33:32

see if he's if you know what you're really

33:34

at the end of the day, I

33:36

hate that I said that, but at the end of the

33:38

day, you need to have pride.

33:41

You need to have that sense of do

33:43

the right thing, make it right.

33:46

You know, I'm not gonna leave on a Friday

33:48

and the place is going to be a mass Take a

33:50

half hour, everyone clean up, wipe

33:53

your feet before you come into the house, you know

33:55

what I mean. Pride, Pride

33:58

ultimately is the only thing that keeps these guys

34:00

in line. And if they don't have pride,

34:03

if they don't give a ship and they just want to make a buck, you're

34:05

you're gonna get fucked. If if they have pride

34:08

Like if a guy, if

34:11

a guy is showing you his

34:14

you know, the guys will have a website

34:16

now or they'll have a book like a model with the

34:19

book, you know, and the guy's going through

34:21

it, and you can get

34:23

that vibe even if you don't know the language,

34:26

but you get the vibe of pride. He's

34:28

showing you the kitchen he

34:31

remodeled. He's proud of it. He's talking

34:33

about the detail in the cabinetree and

34:35

at the type you know when they want with self closing

34:37

euro hinges and they stepped up to the accuride

34:40

full extension slides, all ball

34:42

bearing, you know what I mean. Like I always go full extension,

34:44

accuride, all ball bearing and blah blah

34:46

blah. If you

34:48

can feel the guy bragging a little bit,

34:51

that's a good pride he's got in that. Yeah,

34:54

that feel that

34:56

pride. Dude, do do you think that? Like

34:58

have you ever like, have you ever done like a job

35:01

for higher since you were like Adam cruel and

35:03

like to like contract somebody else's

35:05

home. Uh No. I

35:08

in my earliest days

35:11

when I was on k Rock

35:14

doing a character

35:16

in the morning, I built

35:19

in the I worked at Rock in the morning,

35:22

and I re remodeled the studio.

35:25

Ran I went to being of Kevin

35:28

and Bean's house and built him a

35:30

uh CD bookshelf holder that held

35:33

like ten thousand CD system. You

35:35

did this yourself. Yeah, you

35:37

can do this ship right like you you you you

35:39

can fucking build things like you know how to do this

35:41

physical ship right. I built

35:44

the studio and I built this console. You

35:46

did this with the curve and the whole thing I

35:48

would call the radius, but yes, okay, okay,

35:50

I say it's a curve. You're saying, so the

35:52

radius of this this beautiful console

35:55

you angled this puppy out

35:57

like this slant? Was that called a slant?

36:00

Uh yeah, I would call that a champer,

36:02

but go ahead, okay, but this slant or champ

36:05

for that, I never even heard that word,

36:07

Like you did this whole fucking thing now, Like

36:09

like I noticed like a slight protrusion

36:12

here, like and I'm not you know, I'm not saying that you

36:14

like right here? Is that is that warterdam?

36:16

Like what do you see there's a slight sort

36:18

of thing here. I mean, I'm saying, like you

36:21

know what I'm saying, But I

36:23

didn't invite you to my studio

36:25

to have it critique in front of your nine

36:28

listeners that I find

36:30

rounding up. Uh yeah, No, I'll

36:33

give you the God's honest when it comes to you

36:35

can build. That's impressive. Yes, I

36:37

built this studio and I built this console.

36:40

But this console I

36:42

built for me and I built for work like

36:44

I did not. If I was building it for

36:46

you and I was charging for

36:49

you, you wouldn't see this seam

36:52

that's going along here. And

36:55

I would have put it's sort of like auto body

36:57

work, you know, you put a little more time in when

36:59

I'm saying metal and in primer and the paint

37:01

comes out and you've had all kind of

37:03

degenerates Hatten, this is this is. This

37:05

thing is five years old and it's

37:07

it's a work bench basically. But I

37:10

and and this like foam rubber pad around

37:13

it. I would have gone with something a little cooler or nice or

37:15

whatever, but I wanted it to just be

37:17

practical. Put your elbows on it when you're

37:19

talking. No, I get it, I get but I'm just

37:21

like, so, I what you're looking at here

37:25

is a good design. With

37:27

me, about a seven

37:29

and a half execution in terms of I

37:31

came in on a Saturday alone

37:34

and just laid up this for Mica myself

37:37

because I used to do a lot of laming it work in

37:39

just one day. Oh

37:41

that's this is that, the laying up the for micast

37:44

minutes. Because when it comes to like hammering

37:47

a nail in the wall, no bullshit, if

37:50

if, if it doesn't go right, two things happen.

37:53

Either it goes right in and it's fine, and

37:55

then whatever I'm hanging is crooked, and then I

37:57

have to redo it or you'll get

37:59

a soft east to the wall. This is basic

38:01

ship. I'm not ashamed of it. And then like

38:03

the nail won't hold or you'll

38:06

hit I think it's a stud and then

38:08

you have to like I mean, I can't even do

38:10

that, do you know what I'm saying? And like you

38:12

would see me like the way I talk, and I'm

38:14

a big guy, Like it's pathetic

38:17

that I can't. Like duct tape to me is the

38:19

end all, be all solvent

38:21

of everything. Most most guys

38:24

don't know what the hell they're doing,

38:26

but why should they. It's not it's not something they've

38:28

done, you know what I mean? Like

38:31

like instead of like school, like algebra, I don't

38:33

give a fuck, Like what about like you know, picture

38:36

hanging class, like for a semester that

38:38

could have major in that. You know what I'm saying, I

38:40

well, I do, and

38:42

you know the long and the short of it

38:45

with me is and I agree, like shop class

38:48

much better than algebra or whatever in terms

38:50

of big picture learning how to use

38:52

tools, learn how to use your hands. I

38:56

did this stuff full time as

38:59

a profession for a living, so

39:01

it wasn't ever a hobby

39:04

for me. And the what I'm

39:06

saying is is it's really hard

39:10

to get to a level where

39:13

you can do commercial work

39:15

like tenant improvement work, like that's what this space

39:18

would be, metal studs, drop

39:20

in t bar, ceiling, blah blah blah,

39:23

That's that's what this would be. And then there's you know,

39:25

sort of custom home

39:27

stuff and residential stuff and all that

39:29

I did. Earthquake rehap I worked

39:32

at a European cabinet shops that was all

39:34

on the metric system. I worked at

39:36

a custom closet shop, and at

39:38

custom closets were calling old

39:40

school cabinet shop where we just did

39:42

tons of this like lambing it and stuff like I've

39:45

done every

39:47

everything and I did it

39:49

fifty hours a week for

39:52

over a decade, so I knew

39:54

what every tool did and how everything worked.

39:57

And that The thing that I try to convey

40:01

to people is once

40:04

you get your brain working

40:07

in a certain way, which is a problem

40:09

solving way, which I've

40:12

got my brain working on because of

40:14

building, always building, it's just problem

40:17

it is. Here's what building is. It's

40:19

solving problems, but it's mainly

40:22

looking down the road. It's

40:24

always what's next. It's

40:27

always we're framing now.

40:29

But when we put the five eighths drywall on,

40:31

then we're gonna change the depth of our jam

40:33

because now we're gonna add another five eighths to the

40:35

inside and the outside. Talking

40:37

Portuguese to me, see once you said framing

40:40

in five as in depth. I

40:42

admire the Portuguese, but I don't know

40:44

what the funk you're saying. I wish I did.

40:46

Well. What I'm saying is is I'll

40:49

give you an example. I mean it. It'll

40:51

be a basic, fairly

40:53

crude, no ship Sherlock example.

40:55

But here's what it is. You're

40:58

gonna order the doors,

41:01

You're gonna order the windows. You're

41:03

gonna order that ship three months

41:06

in advance. You're framing

41:08

a wall. Yeah, okay,

41:10

the wall is two by four.

41:13

Studs two by four

41:15

are three and a half inches, all

41:18

right, how thick you gotta put

41:20

the windows in when they come in three months?

41:23

You want to put a door jam in, it's

41:25

got to be flush with the out with the walls,

41:28

right, So the studs are

41:30

three and a half inches. But once you put the five eighths

41:32

on the inside drywall in on

41:35

the other side of the walls you just added,

41:37

it's wider. You just you just

41:39

added an inch in a quarter. So when you're

41:42

ordering your jam material,

41:44

instead of three and a half, you're at four

41:46

and three quarters. But

41:48

you're ordering the ship three months in advance.

41:51

Figure it out, now, order

41:53

it then when it comes, because

41:55

when it comes, you're gonna have the dry wall. But that's trial

41:57

and error though, right, Like how many mistakes do you have

41:59

to make to get the fucking door in? The thing? Like

42:01

that would take me what you just said, six

42:04

months. It's a kind of a it's

42:06

a kind of a thing where

42:08

it's like a technique, which

42:11

is it's a way of thinking meets

42:15

a technique. The door behind you has

42:18

a strike side and a butt side.

42:21

The strike side is to the left

42:23

where the handle is, and the butt

42:25

size it calls where the hinges are. Now,

42:28

I'm gonna set that door jam in that

42:30

opening, in that rough opening. I'm

42:33

not gonna set the door jam where

42:35

the hinges are, the top header is

42:37

and the strike and then put the door in. I'm

42:40

going to take a level and i'm

42:42

gonna set the side where the hinges go, and

42:44

i'm gonna make it plumb, and I'm gonna do it

42:46

right. Then I'm gonna hang the door

42:49

and set the rest of the jam around

42:51

the door. See when

42:53

I started, I would have thought, well, hang

42:56

that thing, bolt the whole thing in, screw

42:58

the whole thing in, get it all to get the up Now

43:00

I know, just hang the side with the hinges

43:03

and then wing the door, and when the door

43:05

shuts, work the margin around

43:08

it, the reveal around it, so it's an eighth inch

43:10

all the way around. No matter what's all or what's whatever,

43:12

you have the same all around. Don't set the

43:15

jam on the other side, don't set the

43:17

top jam, swing the door, then

43:19

set it. I I just want you

43:21

to I don't know what the funk you're saying

43:23

at him, And I admire it so much. I

43:26

want to I want to. I want to switch up

43:28

because I know how much you love boxing. And

43:31

I'm actually doing an episode

43:33

solely on this. But it's the thirty

43:35

fifth anniversary of my favorite

43:37

movie and and and uh

43:40

um, I wanted to talk to about that and then talked

43:42

about boxing. It's a three anniversary of Raging

43:44

Bull, the film that

43:47

yeah so so first of all, I want to talk to you about,

43:49

like, what do you think I mean as a performer,

43:52

as an actor, as an admirer of

43:55

film, as now a filmmaker yourself, talk

43:57

to me about Raging Bull in terms of the

43:59

context, you know, like just to just to sort of

44:01

preface it. Uh, you know, it

44:03

was. It was voted the best film of the eighties.

44:06

Um, as far as I'm concerned, it was like

44:08

a benchmark of acting. I

44:11

don't think that de Niro's performance has

44:13

ever been duplicated, because I don't think another

44:16

production will allow an actor to start

44:18

one way, shut down for six months, and then

44:20

gain weight within the same movie, which

44:23

is what they did for Raging Bowl. Um so

44:25

too, I mean, you know, you know, it's funny. I was watching

44:27

that movie the other day. I love that movie.

44:30

I love everything about that movie. I

44:32

love the comedy in it. There's a lot of comedy,

44:34

and talk to talk about that well.

44:37

I mean, Pesci and de Niro are great,

44:40

and they have these great scenes that

44:42

are born from all this tension,

44:45

and you know, like the scene where he's telling

44:47

him to punch him, and he's like, I'm not gonna

44:49

punch you. You're my brother. Why would I punch it?

44:51

And then by the end of the scene he's trying to kill him. It's

44:54

that's a great comedy, right,

44:57

but that has done completely dry.

45:00

Nobody's winking at the camera. There's

45:02

no smiling going on. It's

45:04

like the purest form of comedy. It's

45:07

actual. It's an actual thing

45:09

that's taking place, which is like a really

45:11

pure comedy concept, which is very

45:15

beginning of the scene is I would

45:18

never do this thing to you. You're

45:20

my brother. I wouldn't even do it to a

45:22

stranger, much less my own brother. And

45:24

then by the end of the scene, I'm trying to kill

45:26

you, and it comedically

45:28

is a very strong choice. So

45:31

I love that. I love all the comedy

45:34

in the movie that you may not even get

45:37

or understand. I love when Dania tells his wife

45:40

to get out of get out of the room. And

45:42

then and then Pesci looks at his wife

45:44

and goes, yeah, what do you look at that? Get out of here? And I

45:46

like, you tell he's just kind of doing with his big brother. Just

45:49

did lots of good subtle stuff.

45:52

I was thinking about that movie

45:54

because it was on the other day, and

45:57

I was like realizing

46:00

that, you know, everyone's like, well, he had to get into shape

46:03

and they shot all that ship, and then later

46:05

then he got fat and shot all that

46:07

ship. And then I was picturing

46:10

the scene where he had the Gennero

46:12

fight coming up and he

46:14

was calling him up, stop beating so much, you fat

46:16

fuck you know, yeah, you gotta you gotta make weight,

46:18

and he does this thing where he's like, look, you

46:21

make weight. You beat the crap out

46:23

of this guy. You don't make weight, and all these

46:25

other guys have been ducking. You're gonna have to come out.

46:27

But it doesn't hurt your reputation.

46:30

If you win, you

46:32

win, right right, Just get down

46:34

to a hundred right

46:37

right. And I was simply looking at it and I

46:39

was like, yeah, he's he's

46:41

a hundred and seventy five pounds. Here a hundred

46:44

seventy pounds. Did they film this in between

46:47

they go get this scene in between

46:49

the in shape scenes and on the way

46:51

up. They must have got it when he was on the

46:53

way up, what you mean, because he wouldn't

46:56

want to go down again. He started obviously

46:58

at the best shape. And I know what you mean

47:00

because throughout the film he starts gaining

47:03

a little bit of weight. He's out of shape, and

47:06

then later on he's you know, a fat slop

47:09

and and all of it's without a fat suit, and

47:11

and and and you know, it's like I don't think like any

47:13

production will ever like that will never be achieved

47:16

again. And at the time, you know, it's still like you

47:19

know, it was like as far as like an actor, like you're

47:21

like, funk man, I mean, that's a fucking performance,

47:23

Like you know, you get to do all these things, you get

47:25

to explore you know, your you know,

47:27

all these these different emotions, and then physically

47:30

actually has have the time to

47:32

physically change to start two

47:34

extremes. To start it really

47:36

fit in shape and like you know, become a boxer

47:39

and then at the end become this fat fuck

47:41

with no fat suit. And it's just

47:43

like it's just sort of a benchmark, you

47:46

know what I mean, and then the direction and the

47:48

camera movement and everything about

47:50

it. Everything, you know, it was really

47:55

it was too much too soon for

47:57

us to fully appreciate

48:00

eight and fully absorbed.

48:02

It was like you were nine

48:05

year old watching Fantasia or

48:08

something and he just couldn't appreciate

48:10

the artistry in it because we were like too immature,

48:14

too much, you know, it

48:16

would It's like it's literally a movie

48:18

that in we

48:21

couldn't fully absorbed.

48:25

I mean we you know, people are like, oh, yeah,

48:27

that's a good movie, but you know Mannequin

48:30

is pretty good movie too, right. It's like, no,

48:32

no, no, this is not i mean, on the same planets

48:34

as any other movie that's really

48:36

even come before it, And we

48:39

couldn't. We

48:42

were almost felt like like it's

48:44

like you're you're a dog and

48:46

you tell the dog don't you like

48:48

the Kobe baby beef? And the dog goes no,

48:51

I like the I like the dog food because it's

48:53

got like guts and she hadn't ship and you're like,

48:55

but eat the Kobe. That's that's

48:57

it. Can't appreciate it. It's like it's

49:00

all it's not good enough. It actually

49:02

thinks that the

49:04

Burger Patty that should just slid out of

49:06

here. Uh, Burger King

49:08

Bun is better than the Kobe Beef

49:11

because it's not good enough. Yeah, we weren't

49:13

good enough in to really absorb

49:15

that movie. And I and I totally

49:18

agree with what you're saying because I think that. I

49:20

mean, I was so young when I saw it. I saw it

49:22

in the theater in I

49:24

was only ten. But for some

49:26

reason, when I saw it in the theater at ten, you

49:29

know, it resonated on some sort

49:31

of emotional level. I mean when you think about the content

49:33

of it, and I'm like, and I was like, I love this movie. I

49:36

want to I don't know why. But

49:38

but then like I mean, I just I watched

49:40

it again. I've seen that movie probably more

49:42

than I've seen any other movie besides the uh

49:44

you know, like like you know Godfather, which

49:46

I know you don't know anything about, and you said you don't know who

49:48

Marlon Brando is. Again, I'm gonna throw that at you know,

49:51

no, you don't know it sounds from me, it's

49:54

fine, it's fine, but like the camera

49:56

moves, the editing, the sound, like

49:58

everything about it, every thing that that that was

50:00

going on with Scorsese. It's like

50:03

a fucking It's like a mural of just

50:05

perfection. It's not a movie, it's it's

50:07

not It's like this huge thing, and

50:09

it's like the more you look at it, the more colors,

50:12

like, oh, I didn't even realize there was purple in it, you

50:14

know, I didn't realize all look in the corners, there's yellow

50:16

there. Like it's just a perfect piece

50:19

of art. Um. I agree,

50:21

and I and I feel like, you

50:24

know, it's funny because everybody always talks about

50:28

being inspired by that kind

50:30

of greatness. And you know,

50:32

whenever anyone ever talks to me

50:34

about getting into

50:36

comedy, I always

50:38

go, well, I used to listen to

50:41

Jack Off morning teams when I was swinging

50:43

a hammer, and I thought to myself, funk,

50:46

I'm funny on those two assholes. And

50:48

then I'd find out how much they were getting paid and

50:50

what their hours were, and what a great

50:52

life they had, and I was like, fuck that

50:54

I could do that ship. And in a

50:57

weird way, seeing Scorsese

51:00

and seeing Raging Bull makes me

51:02

not want to make a movie, because you go, I

51:04

could never do that. Right. He

51:06

took it to another level and especially because you

51:08

know, I'm sure you must have. It must have been

51:10

in your your head and your your thought process

51:13

when you were doing The Hammer, because it's

51:15

like it's a boxing movie, and it's like, you know, Raging

51:17

Bull Rocky like two of the most you know, iconic

51:20

movies and all the other boxing

51:22

films, but you know, those two movies

51:24

are so like part of uh

51:26

you know, they're like pop culture things and and they're

51:28

you know, they're totally different. I didn't

51:31

even I wasn't even gonna begin to compare

51:33

anything I was doing anything that those

51:35

guys you're doing. I was just like, I got an

51:37

idea for comedy, and I'm

51:39

just gonna make this movie. But there's just no I probably

51:42

would have never stopped throwing up if

51:44

I was thinking about Raging Bull shot.

51:47

It's crazy, all right? So are

51:49

you are you? I know you love boxing, and I know

51:52

you boxing, and obviously you know I really

51:54

really like The Hammer? Um,

51:57

where's your head at with boxing? Now?

51:59

And you FC? Do you are you? Have you gotten into UFC?

52:02

Yeah? What so? And and what do you

52:04

think of Rohonda Rousey? And and do you think

52:06

that someone should be called the greatest fighter

52:08

ever? If she's never been punched up until

52:10

she fought Hollyholm. We

52:13

have this thing now where

52:15

we're in a super duper

52:18

hurry to make everyone into a role model

52:21

and everyone into a folk hero. And it's

52:23

it's kind of stupid. It It doesn't really,

52:26

it doesn't happen with white males,

52:28

for instance, who are straight. But if

52:31

you're gay and you're coming

52:33

out of college to play football in the NFL,

52:35

or your Rhonda Rousing or whatever, in a

52:38

second, we're trying real

52:40

hard to see what we can get out

52:42

of you, Caitlyn jenn or whoever.

52:45

It's like everybody's got to be the next herod

52:47

Jr. Another good poorn name, right,

52:50

that's a good hero. Desur is better than

52:52

Madison Avenue Asian broad hot

52:54

hot hot half Asian

52:58

half Puerto Rican. Oh heroes

53:00

is Shore love to work with her. She's

53:03

fantastic on film, Super Tannery

53:05

all so

53:08

um,

53:10

everybody's looking for that next person,

53:14

and I think we end up sitting around

53:17

kind of going, well, she's impressive,

53:19

or he's impressive, or they're impressive, but I

53:22

need a couple of you gotta get

53:24

into the NFL and make the Pro

53:26

Bowl, and then we can start talking about your

53:28

make make a couple of pro bowls, and then we'll start

53:30

talking about your legacy. Let's not put

53:33

the legacy in front of the horse here.

53:35

And we are

53:38

so I don't know what it

53:40

is like fixated in this

53:43

this need to prop

53:45

somebody up and have this thing

53:47

where it's like she's she's going to teach my daughter

53:49

that you can be beautiful, and you can be talking like

53:51

my daughter doesn't need Rhonda Rousey for

53:54

anything. I have no qualms

53:57

with Rhonda Rousey, but I don't need my daughter

54:00

to find some her daughter can look at her mom as

54:02

a female role model who

54:04

she emulates, uh

54:07

and and or whomever. But

54:10

we with this thing of like they need

54:12

they need. My daughter doesn't need anybody. She's

54:14

got me, she got her brother, she got her mom, she's got

54:16

a good family, she goes to good schools. She's

54:19

fine. And I don't really

54:21

want her thinking I gotta be beautiful

54:23

and I gotta be able to punch people in the face, Like I

54:26

I don't want her punching people in the face. And

54:28

I don't want to focus on her beauty either.

54:30

I just like her to be a good little citizen.

54:33

Um so we

54:37

never stop with this. And

54:40

then what happens is is if you dare

54:43

speak up, you know, if

54:45

you're the one who's gonna go

54:48

I don't know whatever that chick comic.

54:51

I don't think she's that funny. And then yeah,

54:53

boy, then you're speaking out against

54:55

women and you don't support women,

54:58

and you're everything.

55:01

And my feeling is,

55:03

um, I don't know

55:06

why everyone feels

55:09

like, I mean, the one good part

55:12

about my white

55:14

privilege and being heterosexual

55:16

and male and having a family with no

55:18

business and no money. We did before in

55:20

the bathroom, does that still keep you as heterosexual?

55:23

Is that it makes me straighter? Because

55:25

I was behind Okay, all right,

55:28

we'll go ahead, go ahead. So I was just asked because

55:30

you were like very insistent on doing that. You were like, before

55:32

we do the podcast, you go behind your

55:35

straighter certain cultures.

55:37

Okay, okay, okay. Um.

55:40

I get to just go through life making my own decisions.

55:43

I don't need to be inspired by anybody,

55:45

you know what I mean. I don't he just like, oh,

55:48

Jerry Seinfeld's white, he's a male,

55:51

he's heterosexual, and he's doing comedy.

55:53

Well, that means I can do you know, Bill

55:56

Clinton, he was the president and he

55:58

was a white, heterosexual male.

56:00

That means I, you know, this

56:02

notion of like you need to see a

56:05

black fireman to want to be

56:07

a fireman if you're black eleven

56:10

year old. I don't totally sign

56:12

off on this. I get the fact

56:14

that it helps or could help.

56:16

But if you want to be a fireman, be a fireman, and if

56:18

you don't, don't. And as

56:21

a society we should just have

56:23

the same opportunities for anyone who

56:25

wants to be a fireman. No, I hear

56:28

you. And that's about where I

56:30

begin and end with this thing, which is I

56:33

like, I'm Italian.

56:37

That's fine with me. I like cars

56:40

and there's a lot of good ones that come out of Italy,

56:42

so that's good. On the other hand, that's

56:45

about the last year me talk about it. I

56:48

was born here and that's

56:50

what I focus on. It had it had nothing

56:52

to do with that. So but but as a sport, where

56:54

are you at with UFC? Because at first, like I

56:56

was like, this is too violent, this is too much,

56:59

and then like sort of like boxing is

57:01

in such a fucked up state right now, like

57:04

you know, like the sport itself, like I

57:06

don't know when. I don't know what or

57:09

when or if there's ever going to be

57:11

a fight that's paid per view

57:13

worthy that's really gonna be like like

57:15

you know, unlet's Mayweather packy, I do have a

57:17

square dance. Let's say planets now, I

57:19

I think it's uh

57:22

Canello and Triple

57:24

G. Don't

57:27

you think that's a crazy fight for for Canelo, I

57:29

mean triples like one

57:31

seventy one s and

57:34

this guy's like one fifty.

57:38

Well, Cannello is a young dude,

57:41

and Cannelo is growing and

57:43

and and I think you can see him physically

57:45

getting stronger and each time he gets in

57:47

the ring, and you know, I

57:49

think Mayweather, for instance, got hold

57:52

of him. You know, Mayweather is very strategic

57:55

and he's like, I don't want to see this guy when

57:57

he's twenty seven, but I'll see him at twenty

57:59

two. And I don't want to be forty

58:01

one and he's going to be twenty seven. I'll

58:04

get my ass kicked. I'll fight him when he's twenty

58:06

two and I'm thirty seven. That'll be

58:08

good, you know. And so m

58:11

there's a lot of that going it's

58:13

a lot of that going on. Yeah, but Cannelo

58:15

is a young dude, and he's making

58:18

his way up and he's getting stronger

58:21

and he's getting better. And and

58:25

Canello, you

58:27

know, a year from now, maybe

58:29

a catchweight one fifty seven or

58:32

so could be an interesting

58:34

fight Triple G. I put

58:36

my money on Triple G, but we

58:39

need to find a catchweight. And

58:41

Canello again, he's young, just keeps

58:43

getting stronger and keeps getting better and

58:45

all that. Now, I wouldn't want to see

58:47

the Canelo that fought

58:50

Floyd Mayweather fight Triple

58:52

G. But I'd like to see the Canelo that's

58:55

um a year from now, keep

58:58

improving and keep growing. Yeah.

59:01

Um, do you get excited at all? Like

59:03

about about UFC the way you did

59:06

about boxing and the way you

59:08

you do about boxing? Like do you is

59:10

there anything with UFC there? You were like, Yeah,

59:12

I mean it's a fun sport. I like

59:15

it, and I think I think what it is is. I

59:18

do think with boxing, once

59:21

there's too much money at stake, guys

59:24

stop fighting and they start thinking, you

59:27

know what I mean, And they start thinking and they

59:29

start making business decisions, you know what I

59:31

mean? And you know, I think in a

59:33

weird way, we saw Floyd

59:35

Mayweather sort of making business decisions

59:38

all the way through his career, and

59:40

you know he finished at forty

59:42

nine, and oh, Rocky Marciano finished

59:44

at forty nine, and oh, but we didn't see Rocky Marciano

59:47

making business decisions along the way. We

59:49

found him sort of, whoever's next,

59:51

we're getting in the ring. We'll do it every three

59:54

weeks or whatever, and and I'll

59:56

find a find a guy twenty pounds heavier and me,

59:58

I don't care like that. You

1:00:01

know, all that stuff was what

1:00:03

we wanted to see. Now there's

1:00:07

too many people

1:00:09

involved, too many advisors,

1:00:12

and there's just too much money

1:00:14

and what a loss

1:00:16

can cost is incredible.

1:00:19

So there's becomes this whole

1:00:23

financial side of it, and

1:00:26

the UFC. We'll probably

1:00:28

end up getting there because everything eventually

1:00:31

gets big enough, there's enough money there.

1:00:33

Fights that are just like, look that fights too dangerous.

1:00:35

You don't need that fight. You got these other pay

1:00:37

days here. I think it's happening with the women

1:00:40

now because they're not letting Home fight Holly

1:00:42

Holm fight before the Ronda

1:00:44

Rowsei rematch. No,

1:00:47

that's what they're saying, and that's what it looks like. So she

1:00:49

obviously beat rowsy and

1:00:51

now like, you know, you're not doing ship until

1:00:53

you fight, so they're not letting their have you

1:00:56

know, like a middle like a fighting march,

1:00:58

so she could get money. She could you know, be

1:01:01

like the big deal, have her night celebration

1:01:04

for doing what she did. It's you're not doing

1:01:06

shit. I think this is what it This is

1:01:08

what I've been told. It is is what it seems like

1:01:10

you until the Ronda Rousey thing,

1:01:13

because God forbid, if she loses, then

1:01:15

it fox the whole momentum up of

1:01:17

the of that rematch. And who whatever have

1:01:19

thought? I never and I was curious to see what you

1:01:21

think? Who would ever thought that that would be like a boxing

1:01:25

And I think, you know, fighting is so crazy

1:01:27

right now that who would ever think that I'd be

1:01:29

looking forward to two women beating

1:01:32

the ship out of each other come July four? Well

1:01:35

that's crazy to me. Don't you think that's crazy?

1:01:38

Well, unless it's like a

1:01:40

family reunion July fourth, thing

1:01:43

that just gets drunk in and adecate that

1:01:45

I would look forward to. Of course. Um

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here's what I think. And I try

1:01:50

to tell people all the time. You know, people

1:01:52

are like nobody wants to watch

1:01:54

and then they put phil in the blank, like, you

1:01:57

know, women do this or women do that.

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Well, we don't really

1:02:01

want to see women in

1:02:03

the w n B a per se.

1:02:06

And we have the NBA and

1:02:08

we'll watch that, and we have a version

1:02:10

of this that plays at a higher level,

1:02:13

and we'll see these guys doing their monster

1:02:15

dunks and wall ago, we could never do that, and

1:02:17

then we'll watch that. But when

1:02:20

you take it's

1:02:23

like saying, nobody would ever

1:02:25

watch a movie about a fill in

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the blank. No, we'll watch a good movie about

1:02:29

anything. We won't watch a

1:02:31

bad movie about our favorite subject.

1:02:34

So people like to say, you

1:02:36

know, oh, we're such a this society, we're such

1:02:38

a that society. You know, no one's going to

1:02:40

vote in a black president. No one

1:02:42

I ever vote in a female. Now we'll vote

1:02:44

in if we like the guy

1:02:47

or the girl or the troop chicks can fight

1:02:49

or this one's you know, undefeated, the other one's

1:02:51

undefeated and they're gonna go at it. We'll

1:02:54

watch. So we'll watch anything, but

1:02:56

you gotta be good. And that's

1:02:59

that's the d that's the caveat.

1:03:01

And everyone tries to make all these rules like they're not

1:03:03

gonna watch it. They're not gonna watch yet because you're

1:03:06

sexist or you're racist, or you whatever.

1:03:08

No, we like you, we

1:03:11

think you're good. We'll watch it. Yeah,

1:03:13

they guess they proved it. I mean, I wasn't

1:03:15

gonna watch that that last n Rosey

1:03:17

fight because I was like, I'm not fucking paying my sixty four

1:03:19

dollars to watch break somebody go out

1:03:21

in thirteen seconds and the

1:03:24

rat look, here's your alley. Their alley is.

1:03:28

I saw a whole bunch of people that saw the

1:03:31

package out Mayweather fight. I saw

1:03:33

a whole bunch of people that saw Ron

1:03:35

Rousey fight, and they all like the Rousey

1:03:37

fight better. It's way better fight. It's a way

1:03:39

better fight. So but what about but I thought you were

1:03:42

so sexist or the women should be barefoot

1:03:44

and pregnant in the kitchen. It's like, now, if you didn't

1:03:46

fight, get in the cage, we'll pay our

1:03:48

money. And well, why that was the first time it

1:03:51

proved to me that at at like for

1:03:53

a pay per view thing. You know, I still

1:03:55

I still like, I don't know it's sexist. It

1:03:57

just seemed like, I mean, there was a fight the other now,

1:04:00

these two girls were beating the fucking

1:04:02

shit out of each other, not the rousing, you know, I mean

1:04:04

the girl afterwards. And it's the same thing, the same

1:04:06

reaction to watching um the guy the other

1:04:09

night, the guy from Long Island who had beat silver

1:04:12

him getting pummeled in his face and bleeding. But

1:04:14

it's a little bit more cruel

1:04:16

when I see a girl wideman

1:04:19

that was vicious, that was fucking brutal. And

1:04:21

there was a girl two women fighting the

1:04:24

weekend before and and I mean

1:04:26

the girl's face was just maligned and she was

1:04:28

like it just was like, what is this

1:04:31

ship? What is this? Like? Is this a sport?

1:04:33

Like? And I watch it and I'm a fan, but like

1:04:35

I still have conflicted watching it

1:04:38

of like the brutality of it sometimes

1:04:40

and like should there be a standing eight count? Like

1:04:42

you can't even see what's going on there, Like just

1:04:44

because he's covering his face and he's not dead.

1:04:48

You know, what's gonna be the outlet? What's gonna be the punch

1:04:50

drunkness of UFC

1:04:52

guys in twenty years, Like we still don't know.

1:04:54

Well, I think it's it's it's gonna be less than

1:04:56

football interior lineman and

1:04:59

maybe less than ox Is because of the repeated

1:05:01

beating. I do have a theory

1:05:05

that I'd like to float to you floated

1:05:07

on my show before. I've

1:05:10

seen enough in the UFC where

1:05:13

there's two different kinds of knockouts.

1:05:15

There's the guy gets hit, the equilibrium

1:05:18

goes, he starts bending at the knee, he starts

1:05:20

grabbing the guy around the ankles and trying to pull

1:05:22

him down with him. And then we've had the one

1:05:24

where the guy literally just takes the

1:05:26

front ball kick right to the temple

1:05:29

and he's you can see him out. You

1:05:31

can see the flying knee to the

1:05:33

orbital socket, and you see the guys

1:05:36

literally goes down like a

1:05:38

heap, like he's a rag doll. He's

1:05:40

out before he goes down and

1:05:43

his head whips and smacks against the thing.

1:05:45

Right now, there

1:05:48

is no rule in Anderson

1:05:51

Silva. Once in a while kick a guy right in the face

1:05:53

or back in the day, the guy go down like a heap, and Anderson

1:05:55

just turned around and walked back to his corner. But

1:05:58

a lot of these guys, while the guys down

1:06:00

on a heap, his arms are by side, he's

1:06:02

limp, he's lifeless. And

1:06:05

now there comes time for the pound

1:06:07

dude to do the flying guillotine

1:06:10

punch where he just jumps in the air

1:06:12

and lands on the guy with us and the guy

1:06:15

imagine yourself laying

1:06:17

on the ground, completely

1:06:20

limp with essentially

1:06:23

out of commission, and a guy

1:06:25

who does nothing but punch a heavy bag all

1:06:27

day and it covered sweat and board

1:06:29

shorts. It literally gets a running start

1:06:31

and dives with a closed fist to try

1:06:34

to essentially displace

1:06:36

your jaw. At that point, I

1:06:38

have said there

1:06:41

should be a review and

1:06:43

a fine for that, just

1:06:45

like there is in the NFL, which

1:06:48

is no one says you can't tackle. No

1:06:50

one says you can't tackle hard, nobody

1:06:52

says you can't beat the

1:06:54

ship out of the next guy. But if

1:06:57

the quarterback already has one ft

1:06:59

out of back and you go in with

1:07:01

a missile leading with the top of your helmet

1:07:04

onto his helmet, it's bucks.

1:07:07

And then someone will go, well, how

1:07:09

do you define it? And I'd be like, oh, well

1:07:12

know, yeah, we'll figure it out. We'll see it. Let's

1:07:14

see the guy was slowing up. You

1:07:16

see the ref is jumping in. The

1:07:18

ref is jumping in. You saw

1:07:21

first off, you're the guy who landed the knee,

1:07:23

so you know it was bone on bright. You

1:07:26

felt it connected. You're not us watching

1:07:28

at home. You felt you heard the wind coming

1:07:30

out of the guy right and you

1:07:32

stood in front of him front row

1:07:34

seat to see the guy colle you see it, you feel

1:07:37

your professional Yes, you saw that

1:07:39

guy go down, and you saw him go down

1:07:41

in a way where he wasn't

1:07:43

getting back up, and you

1:07:45

saw out of the corner of your eye you should have seen

1:07:48

the refs start to move to dive

1:07:50

in. And yet you did a flying overhand

1:07:53

whatever punch at the guy's hammer

1:07:55

punched into his face or while the guy's hands

1:07:58

were limp by their side, so

1:08:01

you know you can see. I think you I I

1:08:04

think there should be some sort of you can need

1:08:06

a lot of a lot of people would go, oh, well, listen,

1:08:09

so well what happens

1:08:11

next time? Then when the guy goes down but he's

1:08:13

okay, it comes back and it's like, all right. If

1:08:15

you see the guy go down and he seems okay,

1:08:17

or he's fighting or he's coming back up or whatever,

1:08:19

that's not what I'm talking about talking about.

1:08:22

Head slamming against the ground, flush

1:08:25

shot down in a heap, ragged off

1:08:27

and laying there with your side

1:08:30

and they charge him, then find him and then

1:08:32

you know, run a rounds. He's lucky because that

1:08:34

happened with Holly Holme and she kind of

1:08:36

missed those punches like they graze because of

1:08:38

her momentum coming down. You're like, you

1:08:40

know, if she had hit those two times, it would have been even

1:08:43

worse. I just I don't like it

1:08:45

that that Wideman fight. And and like you

1:08:47

know, and and and he one of the UFC

1:08:49

analysts on ESPN. He even criticized

1:08:51

it, saying when even if a fighter is not knocked

1:08:53

out, if he's covering himself, that's a universal

1:08:56

signed to stop the fight, Like how many punches

1:08:58

in the face? Clean punches

1:09:00

in the face does he have to take for this

1:09:03

to be stopped. He's not gonna say stop

1:09:05

it? Uh, what's the black guy named herb Dean?

1:09:07

Please stop it? Because he's a fighter and he's

1:09:10

prideful. But I was just like, and

1:09:12

then he comes back out the next round, and you knew

1:09:14

he should the should have stopped. Like it's just like how

1:09:16

much blood do you need to see? How big does the gas

1:09:19

need to be before you stop that ship?

1:09:21

And I've never seen a UFC fight stopped on

1:09:23

cuts. I've never and

1:09:25

I'm not a pron I've

1:09:28

had you for an hour in five minutes. Wow,

1:09:30

look at us. I appreciate the time.

1:09:33

Where's it all gone? It's it's it's

1:09:35

all in the uh the little

1:09:38

device here and if it's not recording, we'll just do it again.

1:09:41

UM. I appreciate it. I'm a fan,

1:09:43

I'm admirer um. I

1:09:45

I'm looking forward to watching

1:09:47

the Paul Newman doc Winning The Racing

1:09:50

Life of Paul Nemon And I you

1:09:52

know, I just think that you're a workhorse. All

1:09:54

the ship you do, all the ship you've accomplished.

1:09:57

And uh, you guys se Rode hard to Yes

1:09:59

row hard, both of these films you directed.

1:10:02

Yeah, and you're gonna and you're gonna send

1:10:04

me an email and tell me how much you loved him. Absolutely,

1:10:08

even if I don't love him, I'm gonna send you that email.

1:10:10

But I appreciate the time, Adam. I appreciate you

1:10:12

coming on the Iron Wrap porp Pockets. I appreciate you having

1:10:14

me on your show, and and and

1:10:16

and and you know, I don't know. I still don't know whether

1:10:18

I'm gonna tear my house down or move or

1:10:20

just continue to live in a rat

1:10:23

infested, red mold infested

1:10:25

pseudo nice house. I haven't figured that out

1:10:28

yet. Um And and maybe I get you over

1:10:30

there one time and you can help me hang some

1:10:32

pictures with a hammer, all right. And this is

1:10:34

the iron wrap porp Pockets, with my special

1:10:36

special guest, the podfather of

1:10:38

it all, the Marlon

1:10:41

Brando, the Don Corleone of the

1:10:43

whole fucking thing, Adam Corola.