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right. So the other day was my

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birthday, um

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and the next day two

1:00

of the best hip hop producers

1:02

of all time share

1:06

the same birthday, Large

1:08

Professor and DJ Premier.

1:13

I mean the fact that their birthday it makes sense.

1:15

These two funky cats musical,

1:18

I mean these are musicians. Um

1:21

So we're gonna do a little thing to tribute, give a little

1:23

tribute to them. Happy birthday. Shout out to

1:25

both of them.

1:28

Large Professor and uh DJ Premier

1:32

And I want to do my five favorite Premier Large

1:35

Professor beats and Moody,

1:38

you do your five favorite uh

1:40

we got three, but I'll help you out. Okay,

1:44

Well what does that mean? I'm

1:46

gonna give your ask three? Okay,

1:49

well then i'll you only got three fucking

1:51

beats that you could give the great Large

1:53

Professor. These are my three favorite,

1:55

like the best that I like. But you can't do five?

1:58

No, okay, all

2:00

right, okay, go oh

2:02

you're up one, I'll do one.

2:04

Come clean you

2:08

know little dap j

2:10

ru oh j

2:13

route with that like water torture.

2:15

That's one of the illest beats out and

2:18

the way that drums is chopped

2:20

up to the way it came in with that dude,

2:23

dude due yeah, dude

2:25

do. That's

2:29

a classic fucking banger.

2:33

If you want to prove to me you could rhyme just

2:35

get on that beat. That's

2:37

like, that's like that should be easy

2:40

pickings for any MC. I'm

2:42

gonna go first, my first favorite

2:44

beat by Large Professor

2:47

because I have sentimental reasons. Is

2:50

Halftime by naas the

2:53

reason why I say halftime by Nas first

2:55

of all ill song. It

2:57

will be opening

2:59

credit. It's to

3:02

the first time you ever saw me, Michael

3:04

Rapper. I had to make it about myself. No first

3:07

time opening credits to zebra Head. You hear

3:09

the song halftime by

3:11

Nasty Nas and

3:14

starts off Nasty Nos in your Area produced

3:18

by the

3:20

Great Large Professor. All Right, what's your second

3:22

favorite beat? New York State?

3:25

One of the best songs ever with

3:28

that that piano and

3:30

that the cool and the gang anti

3:33

drums all chopped hard

3:35

as that ship is fucking

3:39

It really exemplifies There's been a lot of songs

3:41

that have had New York in it that

3:43

captures that time in

3:46

hip hop and what the city was like

3:48

in regards to hip hop and

3:51

and and the culture and what was going on

3:53

in in in in the streets.

3:56

Literally like it was grimy,

3:58

was uplifting, was funky, it was moving.

4:02

Yeah, yeah, you're right, And that's what came

4:05

out. Like everybody was

4:07

was hyped up for NAS for that

4:09

first album. Right, was

4:11

just like Yo, he was picking produces,

4:14

picking beats, right, and that's

4:16

what came out, so everybody

4:18

was happy. We was satisfied

4:21

with that. You know the thing about Large Professor,

4:24

he was producing for Coolgi

4:26

Rap and Polo and

4:29

Eric B and Rock Kim when he was like sixteen

4:31

seventeen years old. Like I, I had the pleasure

4:34

of interviewing him when I was doing The Beat

4:36

Trimes in Life the Travels of

4:38

a Chopical Quest and a lot of his stuff, like

4:40

everybody in the film got cut out. He

4:43

told me some fucking stories man during

4:45

that that gave me the goose bumps.

4:48

And he's so he's such a good storyteller

4:50

because it doesn't get more New York and more hip

4:53

hop then Large Professor.

4:55

Listening to that dude talk, he could

4:57

fucking like he he

5:00

could literally like read read a menu

5:02

from like your dinner, and he's gonna make it sound good

5:04

the way he speaks, the way he emphasizes all

5:06

his ship. So,

5:11

um,

5:13

I'm gonna go with Now I'm trying

5:15

to find I heard he produced this, but I'm assuming

5:17

he produced this because you know they say

5:19

it was uncredited. I'm sure there might have had some other

5:22

hands in it. But I gotta go with In the Ghetto

5:24

by Eric being rock him.

5:27

That's a fucking banger. Carried

5:31

black sample with

5:33

the bill with his drums. Kissing

5:35

my love one of my favorite lines.

5:38

When I had sex, I left my name on

5:41

next my trademark

5:43

was left throughout the projects.

5:47

That's one of my favorite lines. And sweet like

5:51

that's a motherfucker all right. What's

5:54

your third? You're you're, you're, You're doing five. You're

5:56

doing five. You gotta do five. It's their

5:58

birthday. It's just as many

6:00

good one you can do

6:02

five. Speak your

6:05

clouds with j

6:07

Ru, Little Dap and

6:11

the Late Guru. Yo.

6:15

He just manned it the way he makes you

6:17

see. But one thing, like I want to hark back

6:20

to Yo, all of

6:22

his ship is funky, you see,

6:25

because this is funk and

6:27

this is this is a musician. This

6:30

is like when when he's bleeding

6:32

through his beats, his production, this

6:35

is a piece of his soul speaks

6:37

for itself. Yo.

6:40

It ain't just looping, Yo. If

6:42

you know these records, you can appreciate

6:45

the artistry and how he

6:47

is stripping ship down and building it back

6:50

up and fashioning it to

6:52

fit. That's the

6:54

art of sampling. Ain't just looping. My

6:58

third favorite song produced by Large

7:00

Professor and we're going off the

7:02

dome here, just a friendly

7:05

game of baseball. Oh yeah,

7:07

when he did it for main Source. Extravagant

7:10

production, extravagant

7:13

production. That song is timeless.

7:15

The production is incredible Main

7:18

Source. If you've never heard the Breaking Adams album,

7:21

get it, get it and

7:23

just don't don't don't funk with it. Just

7:25

play it on a loop player game. Don't

7:28

funk with this is not one of these albums where it needs

7:30

to be touched. That is one of the uh

7:33

perfect albums that that doesn't

7:35

get talked about. Just get that fucking

7:37

album.

7:39

Okay, number number

7:42

three, No, you're on number four,

7:45

I'm on four for Large pro h.

7:48

It's kind of a simple beat. It

7:51

never gets old ever, never

7:54

ever, ever, ever, ever ever

7:56

gets old. Classic live

7:59

at a barbecue. Main

8:02

Source. Wow,

8:05

he produced that ship beautiful.

8:07

He's like a scientist. We got the glasses,

8:10

the afro, so

8:12

I heard what what's specially? I heard

8:15

those records, I heard the drums,

8:17

I heard William ships come from Yo.

8:19

He made them ships sound harder

8:21

right and and amped

8:23

them up. So it's like it's special when I

8:26

hear because I know what what what it

8:28

is man, we gotta get him

8:30

on the goddamn podcast. We gotta get him, We gotta,

8:32

we gotta start, we gotta start getting more

8:34

people on here. I would love to sit down with

8:36

large pro. He told me a

8:39

story about producing for Rock

8:41

Kim, and I don't want to do the whole

8:43

story, but I'll just say this. He

8:46

said, when he came into the studio, he

8:49

took out his his his beepers. He took

8:51

out his cell phones. He had a couple of them. This is when

8:53

the cell phones were like gigantic, and when not everybody

8:56

had the cell phones. It would be like if somebody had,

8:58

like you know, I don't know, an

9:00

iPhone like twelve,

9:03

like no one had cell phones, Like you're like, oh ship.

9:05

And then he said he took he had a red sweatshoo

9:08

on. And then he said Rock Kim took

9:11

his rhyme book out

9:14

of his out of his out of his jacket,

9:16

in his ziplock bag. And

9:19

I was like, when he I remember what he told me, that gave

9:21

me the fucking goose bumps because I was like, of course,

9:25

of course Rock Kim's rhyme book is

9:27

in his zip lock. He cares

9:30

it should be it should be locked in a vault in this Smithsonian.

9:34

My number four for a premiere is

9:37

Freddie Fox. Bumpy

9:39

Knuckles came out. I

9:41

think this came out. Um,

9:45

it's part of my life. The song

9:47

is called Yo. He

9:50

made this thing is it's like obscure.

9:52

You don't really know it. But the production

9:55

he made a baseline from

9:58

the sample. But if

10:01

you have to hear it to understand what

10:03

he did, like a baseline from out of

10:05

nothing. It's so extravagant. It

10:08

was ill man. All right, I'm not gonna argue with that.

10:11

I'm gonna do my last five. I'm gonna do too.

10:14

And I could go on and on and on about Large Professor,

10:16

but I was thinking I want to do it's it's

10:18

a song that it was just like a one off, and I remember

10:20

it came out of nowhere. Faking

10:23

the funk on the White Men

10:26

Can't Jump soundtrack produced

10:28

by Large Professor. You're faking the funk

10:30

talking that extra large ship. You're probably

10:32

a pump. You just said that though, right,

10:35

I didn't say faking the funk. I would live at the barbecue.

10:37

Oh oh yeah

10:39

that's right. Yeah, Yo, that's

10:42

a motherfucker right there. Um

10:46

and and then also you

10:48

know he produced so much ship with Tribe, Like

10:50

there was ship he did with Tribe. But like I'm sure

10:52

him and Q Tip, like you know, they shared credits

10:54

on you know, Midnight Marauders. His

10:56

fingerprints are all all on that right

11:00

Extra P Funky

11:03

so so uh But that's

11:05

my top five. You got one more to go. I know there's

11:07

a lot to people. Got one, Okay for Premiere.

11:09

For Premiere is my favorite, one of my favorites. When

11:12

I first started to hear this cat DJ

11:15

Premier is in Deep Concentration, nice

11:19

jazzy. I think the sample is Ramsey

11:21

Lewis, but that

11:25

when I heard that that's the first

11:27

album that's like ninety, I

11:29

was like, Yo, this guy

11:32

loves it and he did so much. He did

11:34

ship for both of them, did stuff, uh

11:36

Premier to stuff with Big Show

11:39

Business a G. I know, Large

11:41

Pro did that, did that couple of joints with

11:43

with d I, T. C and

11:45

and and all those you we're not fact checking m O

11:47

P. He's got his hands all over m O P.

11:51

I mean kicking the door. I think he did

11:53

for Biggie and he did he did Caress

11:56

when MCS act like you don't know one

11:58

of his best songs, one of

12:00

his uh best songs. So happy

12:03

birthday to both of those dudes. We

12:06

only touched touched the surface of

12:08

what you did. Um

12:10

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12:12

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12:15

to both of you. Keep doing

12:17

it, keep it boom Babby, keep it funky

12:20

and what Stay in our

12:24

lane? Yeah, stay in your

12:26

lane, but that's our lane, they

12:28

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12:30

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come back as a recurring guest. Brooklyn

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m C Champion MC TA

14:23

live quality. I was in

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a talent quality video. Look

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it up online. I'm not gonna tell

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time for a Happy Hour with Michael

14:41

Rappaport live from Austin,

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Texas. Tune in studios at south

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By Southwest. Alright,

14:49

this is Michael Rappaport. We're live

14:51

at south By Southwest. If

14:53

you don't know who I am, you might not know

14:55

me as Michael Rapport. You might only know me

14:58

as White Mike White, Mike or

15:00

the gringo man Dingo. I'm

15:03

with my partner Gimo, Nettie G.

15:05

Moody and m

15:08

C e O Champion

15:10

m C. At this point, you're a champion, m

15:12

C. I'm not saying you're the champion MC. I don't

15:15

want to put that on you, but you are a champion.

15:17

M C. Upper

15:19

Echelon tolip Quality

15:22

from Brooklyn, New York. World

15:25

Traveler Twitter

15:28

Twitter heavyweight champion. Let's

15:30

get into that first, because you know quality,

15:33

I don't. I don't. I've known you. I

15:35

shook the world at six three yo

15:37

qua, I've known you now for

15:39

probably like twelve fifteen years.

15:42

I feel like that. You know, and you travel, I travel,

15:46

but your Twitter game is no

15:48

joke. Like so sometimes

15:50

I'll see you just going rint and and you're this

15:52

is coming from someone who I get into Twitter ship

15:55

too. You are on another

15:57

planet like so so like

15:59

and you know, you know, I don't know if you remember this. I can't

16:01

remember what's concert. We were backstage there. You're the

16:03

first person to tell me about Twitter. We

16:06

were backstage. I was I was in the midst of the chip

16:09

called Quest Stuff and you

16:11

were making the film finish the film and

16:13

I saw you a backstage at some show something

16:15

with the route to Quest Love or somebody,

16:18

and you started telling me about Twitter,

16:20

and I was like, I don't know what you're talking about. And

16:23

now you're on there, You're like a grappler

16:25

on there. So so what's up with your

16:27

do you do? Do you regret some of the stuff you

16:30

uh say? Do you ever like feel like crap?

16:32

Why did I say that? Where's your Twitter

16:34

head at? Well, you know Twitter, I don't

16:37

say anything. I don't I don't speak on things that I don't

16:39

know about, right, so that limits the

16:41

regrets, you know what I'm saying, Like, only speak

16:43

on things that I have I eiven know in

16:45

my head to be completely true because of

16:47

data and not just because of antecdotes.

16:49

A lot times on social media people talk

16:52

and use antecdotes as proof

16:54

of things. Well, I know my happening

16:56

to my cousin, so it must be true, or this guy

16:58

did this. So with me, I love

17:01

the art of debate because I'm an m C. Because

17:03

I'm an m C. I love the challenge.

17:05

You know what I'm saying. That going back and forth is

17:08

iron sharping and iron you know what I'm saying. It makes

17:10

my mind sharp, it makes me think quicker, and

17:13

I'm right in the couplets. See so

17:16

on Twitter it's like, you know, a hundred and forty characters

17:18

and make a lot of sense. But you know, really

17:20

you're seeing me on there because I'll be just you know, killing

17:22

Tom, you know, just um enjoying

17:24

the conversation. You

17:26

know what I'm saying, a lot of those conversations needed to be had,

17:29

and I enjoy

17:31

being able to maybe a

17:33

little bit too much. And this is when my eagle might come in.

17:36

I enjoy being able

17:38

to not have to be polite

17:40

to someone who show up, who choose

17:43

to tweet me some bullshit I understand,

17:45

like someone who choose to tweet me some you

17:47

know, white genocide ship mus choose

17:49

to tweet me some misogynists just out

17:52

the blue. Are you surprised? Not

17:55

not that, but I would ask you

17:57

this, Are you surprised by the racism on

17:59

Twitter? Nah? Taken aback

18:01

by it? No? Um? I

18:03

think because you must get it crazy. Yeah,

18:06

you know what, I've become a magnet for people

18:08

who want to see if they

18:10

could push racist agendas, people who

18:12

want to defend racism and justify

18:14

racism. Right, I'll become someone on Twitter that people

18:17

come to and be like, well, you know what I'm saying,

18:19

which is interesting to me, um,

18:21

because that's not what my intention was

18:24

at all. But um, But I am I

18:26

surprised by it? No? I mean this

18:28

country has

18:30

never dealt honestly with the history of

18:33

its racism and the history of its depression,

18:35

so people are miseducated about it. People don't

18:37

have the proper context of information. They

18:39

only are the anecdotes. They only see what's right

18:41

in front of them. They're like, well, all my friends is black,

18:44

and they let me say nigked, like you know what I'm saying?

18:46

Like that, you know, it just becomes a series

18:48

of experiences piece together

18:50

as data, you know what I'm saying. And

18:53

and you know, I'm I'm I'm

18:55

I'm not about the antidotes, right,

18:58

okay, so quality, let me just

19:00

throw some topics I don't have all day with you. I

19:05

just got off a plane good South Africa and

19:07

it was a hour flight. Are

19:09

you serious? And I just did a show and shout

19:12

out to flappers, zombies and

19:14

and we're going to Sean priceting tonight and

19:16

we go into the you know what I'm saying,

19:18

We go into the to the to the just blazed into

19:21

yes, because we go hard, you know the spots. Yeah,

19:23

yeah, Okay, sorry, it's my home man. You know, I

19:25

makes out my south West. Okay,

19:28

you settled down. This is my first time down here too.

19:31

So all right, So you mentioned Shaan Price that you mentioned

19:33

your flight

19:36

first Sean Price. It's his birthday

19:38

birthday today, great rapper Brooklyn

19:41

m C. Who is Sean Price? How

19:43

do you know him? Why? Um?

19:45

Has there been such an outcry of

19:48

praise respect as an m C. I

19:51

feel like he's He's like one of the most

19:55

talented mcs that the majority of

19:57

people. And I always say it's it's okay to say you don't

19:59

know him or you don't go I want more people to know

20:01

who he is. But like you know, he sort of

20:03

reincarnated himself with a Shawan Price broken

20:05

brokens Rapper Alive thing. But you know

20:07

he was in uh So talking about Smith talking

20:10

about who is Seawan Price? Yeah, Sean

20:12

Price to me, you know, growing up in Brooklyn, I

20:15

have a very special relationship with Duck down the boot

20:17

camp Click and help to Skelton

20:19

Um. You know they came out after a black

20:22

Moon after Smith, Smith and Wesson but ruck and

20:24

rocked together. That when they came with Helter

20:26

Skeleton, when they came with you know that album, like

20:28

it was it was crazy. And then they came with the five

20:30

five with the O G c s and

20:33

the L La Fleur. It was they was just

20:35

man, they just embodied an epitomeed

20:38

to New York stylar rap that Brooklyn stylar rap.

20:40

You know what I'm saying, that wearing timber Lin style

20:43

like people wear timber List to this day because of that, because

20:45

of people like Sean Price. Now, back then he was

20:47

rough, you know what I'm saying. But then you know, Duck

20:50

Down had a situation where

20:52

they left the major label and they

20:54

became independent. As they became independent,

20:56

it was Sean Price, who that's his real name.

20:59

Um, he stopped calling himself ruck professionally,

21:02

Yeah, he started calling himself Sean Price. That started putting

21:04

out independent records that was a lot more closer

21:06

to the vest, a lot more honest about the situations

21:09

that rappers go through, you know what I'm saying. And people

21:11

related that on a level where they relate to a

21:13

m F dood mad live. So it

21:15

became like a co following with type of situations, right,

21:18

you know what I'm saying. And have you ever

21:20

seen him do point stars? No

21:22

google, Sean Price going point stars and try to sell

21:25

to the rock to his uncle du Mort Luther King.

21:28

He was a funny dude

21:30

with such a personality, but he was real, like

21:33

is from the hood. Sean Prices decep

21:36

what I'm saying Sean Price deceps, so that

21:40

like decept like

21:43

Sean Price was a real dude.

21:46

But he had such a sense of humor with

21:48

his music when he didn't when he came at the

21:50

Reincarnation, when he was showing Price the humor,

21:52

I felt like he was a rapper, Like

21:54

if I could rap, I would rap like that because he

21:56

didn't say he was good. He was punchline,

21:59

but he had a self like a self effacing sense

22:01

of humor. That's right. And I

22:03

feel like it's just a shame that he never

22:06

really got over that hump

22:08

of being more known and

22:11

and and then it's just it's just you know

22:13

what, It's like, you know, things happen for a reason.

22:15

Um he I think he did. He was

22:17

what he was supposed to do. Like he got a record

22:19

where they did the video, they did a tribute video um

22:22

where he's like um man

22:25

woman man um from Brooklyn Academy, um

22:28

um. And it's like it's like the record

22:30

is so prophetic. What I'm saying.

22:32

He's talking about how he messed

22:34

up his career, and it's like, and

22:37

he didn't really mess up his career, you know what I'm saying.

22:39

It's not like he sucked it up. Things

22:41

happen, you know, But I think his

22:43

legacy, more than anything is is

22:47

how was it was supposed to be. I think

22:49

he was still supposed to be in the hood

22:51

with the construction job. You know what I'm saying. Like,

22:53

and that's not no you know, that's not no saying

22:56

that anybody. Yeah,

22:58

that's not like what we do. What

23:00

I do is working class,

23:03

right, you know what I'm saying. I'm part of a working class of mcs.

23:05

I'm not a rich man. You know what I'm saying. Like, I go

23:08

out here, I make my money, I feed my family,

23:10

you know what I'm saying. And you know, I've

23:12

been blessed with situations. I've been blessed with Black

23:14

Star, you know what I'm saying. I've been blessed with certain situations

23:16

where I had major record label deeps

23:19

right, I had people invested millions of dollars

23:21

to make sure my billboards was everywhere. You see

23:23

my face everywhere. Sean Price never had that,

23:26

So he he achieved the same level of

23:28

respect in the game without having the marketing.

23:31

You know what I'm saying. That's why I like talking to quality,

23:33

because you're articulate, smart

23:36

and yeah you you break

23:38

it down good and you got one of the illest voices

23:41

in hip hop, like your your voice. I

23:43

remember when you first came out with Black Star, and

23:45

I remember me and my man here we were in uh

23:48

Minnesota when that record dropped, and I remember

23:50

we were in like like a Sam Goodie or a Tower Records

23:52

in Minnesota. Was like, oh, that's the Black Star. I've

23:55

been hearing it. I had I had brought album

23:57

or twelve inch and fat beats right

24:01

shout yeah,

24:04

a quality uh

24:06

fortified line. Yeah. When

24:08

but but when you guys came out like your voice,

24:11

like I always equated your like your voice always

24:13

reminded me so much, especially when you were younger of

24:15

Fife and had that town crier.

24:18

It's not like you know, it's not like

24:21

and like and just and like I always

24:23

like, you know, equated you and

24:25

you and Moses think. You just made me think of

24:27

that film that film with Quest Love Yes Likes

24:30

A Various move five is very hot. Shout out

24:32

to beat Travels with Life, the Travels of Travelical Quest,

24:34

which quality got cut out of because

24:36

when I interviewed him, another technical

24:39

difficulty. His

24:41

whole interview was like there was like some music.

24:43

That's okay because because because

24:46

you're gonna have to do the documentary on me one of

24:48

course, man of course, man shout

24:50

out to quest Love. What I'm saying. That's

24:52

a good dude right there. He lost his

24:54

father Todays Restipeace

24:57

of the Andrews. You know quest Love is he's

24:59

the person who introduced me to Twitter. He said,

25:01

quality, you gotta get on Twitter. I said it was Twitter. He

25:03

said it's perfect for you and he and he told

25:05

me that three times before I got and now

25:07

a million followers later. Shout out

25:09

to quest Love. All right, so what

25:11

were you doing in South Africa? In

25:13

South I had never been to South Africa before twenty five

25:16

hour flight? Yeah it was. It was because

25:18

I had to come to Austin and I had to get here by some time,

25:20

so I had to pick the flight that work. Okay? Uh,

25:23

you know, but yeah, I've been in South Africa many

25:25

times performing and stuff. Yeah, I performed several

25:27

times. What was it? What was like? What was the what was

25:29

the thing that you were most surprised and pressed about

25:32

when you've performed in South Africa and when

25:34

you're performing in South Africa, are you like, I

25:36

cannot believe that hip hop has taken me

25:38

this far. You gotta bug out with

25:40

that, right Yeah? Yeah. I went to South Africa in two thousand

25:43

one with Black Orchust myself,

25:45

Boots from the Cool Black Thought, from the Ruge

25:47

j Rut of Damage. We went out there. We did

25:49

a Dead Press went out there. We went to the Racist

25:51

of Conference where Colin and Powell had walked out

25:54

the Racist of Conference. Um. We went to Erman,

25:56

We went to Joe Burgh. We went to Cape Town.

25:59

Um, tickets was too expensive. Just

26:01

stick man from Dead Press. He was like, we're got performing

26:03

his trees for free. We went to Sueto. You

26:05

know what I'm saying, Like he performing the streets were free. Went to Nelson

26:08

Mandela Credere. Are you

26:10

serious? Yeah? This was two thousand one. Black

26:12

Orcus Dream Hampton was there right

26:15

right. Um, you know that was

26:17

that was That was a beautiful thing. Shout out to Malcolm X grassroots

26:19

Movement because they took me that. They took me to the Cuba.

26:21

We went to Cuba. We performed the Cuban

26:24

Hip Hop Festival. So you know what

26:26

I'm saying, that's crazy man. All

26:28

right. So so this trip I gotta ask,

26:31

did you see y'a

26:33

seen baye a k A most Deaf?

26:35

Yeah, that's where I went. Okay, so so how is most

26:38

Deaf? Oh? He's great. He's grand man. He out

26:40

there with his family. He out there working

26:42

on art, working on music. Shout out to Ferrari Shepard.

26:45

They got a uh website, uh

26:47

country called earth Um

26:49

and that's where most is. Y'all seen is really

26:51

releasing a lot of his music and his art. He was out

26:53

there painting. Really,

26:56

Yeah, he's out there painting. He's doing

26:58

it. He's doing this. He's being an artist. He's

27:00

like an artist. He separated himself completely from

27:02

the music industry. He doesn't he's not making music.

27:04

He's making music, but he's separated from the industry.

27:07

People get disenchanted with that. And

27:09

the music industry is just it's

27:11

just like the film industry. But I feel

27:14

like the music industry just. I mean that. I

27:16

don't want to curse so much. But that Sean Parker

27:18

is that his name? That that napster guy. He's responsible

27:21

for all this. He's the one that did

27:23

this. He's Sean Parker's

27:25

somebody. He said it all. He Sean Parker

27:28

proved that the Emperor has no clothes. You

27:30

know what I'm saying. He proved that it's just

27:32

smoking mirrors saying that's what he did,

27:34

and they and he was able to

27:36

take advantage of flaws in the system,

27:39

no doubt these guys. Maybe the last

27:41

duo, Yeah that

27:43

really black Star one of the forgetting

27:46

another duo that that came after black Star?

27:49

Uh? Who

27:51

that was? That was three people? Who Little Brother?

27:54

Right? They were good? That was three? That was three. They

27:56

were good. They were good. But I'm talking about like a

27:58

PMD like that type of see

28:00

now, I see now you can you can make it, making a

28:02

black man blush talking about put me in a category

28:04

with EPM. You're like

28:06

quality. You could have perspective.

28:09

I'm not gonna say you may own that, but you have

28:11

to have perspective on it. Now. It's like that

28:13

album and what you did individually

28:16

and what you continue to do individually most

28:19

it. You know, I was thinking about and I wasn't

28:21

thinking about in regards to you, but I was thinking the other day of

28:23

like, I want to do a playlist of full

28:26

albums that are top to bottom albums

28:28

that you could truly listen to top

28:30

to bottom like I did that on my on my tumbling

28:33

page. Can I get it? Can I get a link

28:35

or something? If you just google? Tell him quality

28:37

top twenty five albums all

28:39

the time. Okay, give me what are some of them on there?

28:41

I don't remember all of them. Give

28:43

me five of them that are on this albums okay,

28:46

because I did the singles and did top hip

28:48

hop songs. I did a hundred hip hop songs

28:50

and I did those numbers. Might not be

28:52

act. Just want time about this

28:55

on top albums wit so, I want to help the people

28:57

listen, this is on top of okay, cool

28:59

album was Give me five of them? Um, we

29:01

know you've been on a fight. It

29:04

was takes a nation of millions of holders back. Okay,

29:07

I was on their um reasonable doubt

29:09

Okay, illmatic, okay, um

29:11

illmatic. Yo, I gotta tell

29:13

you it's time goes on it

29:16

ages well, yes, Mecca

29:18

and so Pe Rock

29:20

and Seal Smooth examples, Freestyle

29:23

Fellowship in Inner City Grios. I

29:25

gotta be honest with you. I don't know that album. Well

29:28

should I know it? Well, it depends, I

29:30

don't. I kind of know your hip hop, you know my taste.

29:32

I know your hip hop and my cynical I'm a cynical

29:34

hip hop guy, yes you are. And you know what

29:37

I like? Yes, yes, I have an idea. I

29:39

like that boom back see

29:41

freestyle. Fellowship is a jazzy hip hop album.

29:43

Okay, but I appeals to my sensibilities. But

29:46

I'm under the jazz though my jazz,

29:48

I did. I did spend three years of my life pulling

29:51

my hair out making a record on Tribe. Yes,

29:53

so the jazz, yeah, okay,

29:56

but what do you like? But what do I like?

29:59

Yeah? He likes I like back, but he

30:01

likes mobb Deep No no no, but I mean and Lu

30:03

Tang and Buttic. That's

30:06

that's album. That's make sure

30:08

of every category, Large professor, you

30:10

know what Breaking Adams is on the list black

30:13

Yes, that's a great album all

30:15

right. So in terms of uh

30:19

uh that boom bat that sounds I'm

30:22

not even a gangster rap dude, like I'm like

30:24

more like, if I had to say my albums, I

30:26

would say Minna Marauders, I would say Black Star.

30:28

I would say Midnight Marauders is perfect.

30:31

Is the pop version of low end theory,

30:33

explain expounds

30:36

is low end theory is that

30:39

Charlie Mingus like that wrong card, that like

30:41

that low end theory, like you have to really know

30:43

about music to get it. So even that even

30:45

Scott Pager and and everything is fair

30:47

as a great record, I don't like, I've never liked everything

30:54

else on the and then and then, um, Scott

30:56

Pager, that's some that's some wrong card, Charlie

30:58

Mingus Jazz baseline. So

31:01

it was it was in the theme of the record. But what they did

31:03

with Midnight Muraders with lowing theory, they blew

31:05

up and they were able to tour. They

31:07

were already torn, but lowing theory. They had some hit records

31:09

Cannot kick It. I think no, that was on the first one.

31:12

Cannot kick It was on People's SINCTI. But

31:14

they had butter and jazz and these records

31:16

check the rhyme. You know what I'm saying. The scenario these

31:19

records went crazy, album went platinum. So

31:21

now they tore and torn too when they tore in the world

31:23

and they stay on stage. Now now

31:25

they on arena stages. So like,

31:28

oh, we could do what we do, but

31:30

just make it more accessible,

31:33

make it more I won't say. I'm not gonna

31:35

say glossy, because not glossy about it, but it's

31:37

it's brighter, it's brighter, it's

31:39

more, it's more fun sounding like

31:41

Midnight Midnight Marauders is like it's

31:44

got a lot of it's just it's tight, man, it's

31:48

tight. When you're when

31:50

you're making a record, how many And they ask a questions

31:52

if you have to, if you have to give a guest man, or maybe you know for

31:55

sure, how many songs do you think you've made in your

31:57

career where they're your own black

31:59

star song that came out, No songs

32:02

that have come out? So has it come out thousands? Are

32:05

you serious? I have a couple of thousand songs

32:07

that come out. So when you're making a song

32:10

and you're like, whether it's a Todler quality song

32:12

or a guest on someone else's song, how

32:15

aware of you? How much

32:17

perspective are you on? How is this is

32:19

a special song? Like when you're making get By,

32:22

which is arguably the biggest quality

32:24

song. What'd you saying? Yes, I mean it's

32:27

a beautiful to feel it that Uh.

32:30

For your question, that record is a great example

32:33

because without a doubt, I

32:35

felt like that record was important for

32:37

the culture, important for my career. I

32:40

was on top of Kanye West every day,

32:42

like, Yo, what's up? Let me get that beat? Let me get that beat.

32:45

I explaining, you heard the beat first. I heard

32:47

the beat first. Um, Kanye

32:50

came to my sessions. I'm met Kanye. He came looking for most

32:52

Death. Most Death wasn't there that day. Um.

32:55

He was like, I got some beats, he said, play some beats. Every

32:58

beat he played was crazy. I

33:00

had have felt that way since I since I met how You

33:02

know what I'm saying, Yeah, I had. I was

33:05

like, Yo, this is how are you? How are you amateur?

33:08

But these beats? Is this this level of quality?

33:10

And then he told me that he did records with UH,

33:13

with Derek Angeletti, and he did records on Beatie

33:15

Segue album, The Truth and all that. And I'm like, the reason

33:18

I'm like those is my favorite joints.

33:20

Like, okay, so you've done my f You've done a lot

33:22

of my favorite joints for dudes. You know what I'm saying. Um.

33:26

And then he gave me. He gave me Gorilla mons Soon Rap,

33:28

good to you. All those records he game

33:30

and we didn't have get by. He played

33:32

me get by Um the track for it,

33:35

and I was like, man, this is beautiful, and he

33:37

was like, um, this beat,

33:40

I'm holding it. Mariah Carey

33:42

wants to speat, Farrel Match wants to speak.

33:44

There's a lot of interest in this beat. So I'm

33:46

not sure. For like a month, I was

33:48

calling every couple of days like what's

33:50

up with that beat? What's up with that beat? And after like

33:52

a month, I really really really stayed on

33:54

him about that track because when I remember

33:56

hearing, I was like, you

33:59

need us and then and then it was like the

34:01

gospel, you know what I'm saying. I was like, we need some gospel,

34:04

you know. And Kanye wanted to put the Harlem

34:06

Boys Choir on it. We couldn't afford them,

34:09

you know what I'm saying. He went to put them on his album though he

34:12

got when he got some money. We have some of money, but you

34:14

know, I said, we couldn't afford them back then. And and I

34:16

mean, if you if you don't know that song Get by

34:18

toler Quality produced by Kanye West,

34:21

I mean the song the remix. There's

34:23

such a like when when you when you hear a beat

34:25

like that, do you know, like I want this to

34:28

be an uplifting soul Does this happen organically?

34:30

Or like you hear it and you're like, how does that? How

34:33

does that work from a musician's point point

34:35

of view, Like are you like you hear the beat, You're obviously

34:37

in love with the beat, and then are you like is

34:39

it just are you like I want this to

34:41

be a positive, uplifting song. I'd say

34:43

uplifting. It's like an uplifting song. Yeah,

34:45

I wasn't. That wasn't my attention when I first heard

34:48

the beat. When I first heard it, it just

34:50

felt good and the whole get by refriend

34:52

like that the hook. This morning I woke

34:54

up, Kanye wrote that, Um, he was like, yo,

34:56

this ship when why I had laid I was

34:59

like, just to get it by, just that as

35:01

soon as I heard the beat, that's what I heard.

35:03

So I heard just to get by. So I was like, I wrote

35:06

around that around just to get That's

35:08

why the first verses. I go back to that in

35:10

the first verse a lot, just to get by that

35:13

like a few times in the first verse when I

35:15

when I laid that basic idea, Kanye

35:18

sang that hook this morning, I

35:20

had a version for a couple of months, which is Kanye singing

35:22

the hook, doing all the parts. He

35:25

was doing all the parts, and there he laid that out.

35:28

We were the tapes of that man. You got somewhere I don't

35:30

know, But then we had to we had to shout to

35:32

Kendrick Royce, a good friend of mine. She came

35:34

through and made the singers, uh, you know. And

35:38

when you did

35:40

get by with Kanye before he was a beast

35:43

beast beast, huge star as he is

35:45

now, he's a monster start. Would

35:47

you ever ever I suspected, I

35:49

mean somebody in hip hop to get

35:52

so big, so famous

35:55

and like like it's like you

35:57

know, like that big Etherric you know, it's not just I

36:00

never thought that hip hop would take it to this. Like

36:02

I always think about when I see jay Z like these

36:04

places, I'm like, this is not, this

36:07

is not this is a first his first

36:09

generation, Like he came up behind

36:11

Kane. He's my like he's been

36:13

there from the anception. So I trip out when I

36:17

like his success. I'm not surprised by it, but I'm

36:19

just like the enormity of a hip hop star

36:22

from where it came from, like from like Bismarck

36:25

or like you know, guys like Sean Price or like

36:27

guys like Black Moon, right, and you can name

36:29

somebody then like jay Z's like surpassed all of

36:31

it, and Kanye's sort of in the same world. Would

36:34

you ever have imagined he become this sort of

36:37

this figure, he's like beyond

36:39

hip hop now, it's like this figure. You want the

36:41

honest answer, Yes, yes,

36:44

you did you and you know why? Why? Because

36:48

and this is is all everything I'm saying is true,

36:51

true talk, real talk. He

36:53

said he was everything that

36:55

you see Kanye West doing back then.

36:57

He said it, He's I'm gonna be the biggest

37:01

rapper ever in the

37:03

world. I'm going to change

37:05

the game. I'm gonna I'm gonna do fashion. I'm

37:07

gonna design sneakers. I got the song called

37:09

Jesus Walks. It's gonna be on my second album

37:11

called College Dropout. This is before I'd even

37:14

i mean called Late Registration. This before

37:16

he this, before he even had a deal for College

37:18

Dropout. He was telling me the

37:21

singles. He told

37:23

me everything that I was, everything that Kanye did from

37:26

the time he was touring me to you

37:28

know, eight o Waights, like everything I was, I was

37:31

manifest destiny he said, He said

37:33

every single thing. The only thing I think that he didn't

37:36

have mapped out was the accident of

37:38

course, but when that he went that car accident happened,

37:41

That's what set his career off. Because when

37:43

the car accident happened, he didn't do the yre, do

37:45

the Wire. He took it to Dame Dash and and they was like,

37:47

that's cool, just mix show record. Took it

37:49

to Deaf Jam and that's cool was a mixed shore record. Kanye

37:51

West went and paid for video, you know, because

37:54

he's making rap money at that point producing

37:56

when it paid for the video, and then when when it paid for video

37:58

promotion and went pay for single promotion

38:00

all on his own own, Kanye pay

38:03

for that on his own. So his first single,

38:05

through the Wire, he he self

38:08

promoted it like no, this is a hit, I don't care what else.

38:11

And from that point and then and then six months later

38:13

he performed it on the Grammys with Shakaka. Wow.

38:16

That's a big time all right, Okay, yeah,

38:19

you know, you forget about that because because

38:21

I think, like for me, I find

38:25

his persona and and and

38:27

the music. It's like church and

38:29

State. It's like, first of all, like I think

38:31

the music in general. I think all across

38:34

the board, the music, the hip hop music. I

38:38

me, it's so concerned about

38:40

the actual music. I

38:42

have no agenda. I

38:45

don't rap. I'm not in the music business. I don't

38:47

know any any stake in any music business.

38:49

I'm just a fan. It means so much to

38:51

me on a in my blood

38:53

cell level. And when I see where it's

38:55

going, it concerns

38:58

me. It bothers

39:00

me and and and I feel

39:02

like guys like you, most

39:05

Staff, jay Z, Kanye, Q

39:07

Tip, the guys that are still relevant, that

39:09

are still talented in this

39:11

stuff, have a responsibility to sort

39:14

of balance it. Because what's

39:16

going on now where it's gonna

39:18

turned into it's I think we're already at hair metal

39:22

at hair metal years ago. Twenty years ago, rap

39:25

was like heavy. Rap was like WWF

39:28

twenty years ago, I said in the lyrics, Then what do we

39:30

now? The same thing, just a little

39:32

bit more refined for the Internet generation. I

39:34

think you would will agree with me when

39:37

you write artists have a certain responsibility, but artists

39:39

are influenced by the same fact

39:42

factors in the culture as the average fan is

39:44

um I think I think the responsibility here

39:46

is the fans and the kasumers. I think people

39:48

vote with day dollars, you know. I think you

39:51

have victories. You have j Cole going

39:53

platinum, same as Taylor Swift and then doing HBO

39:56

shows and doing selling now Madison Square Garden.

39:58

You have Kendrick lamar Win in eleven. But

40:00

you also have music that we

40:03

as a certain age and from a certain region,

40:06

didn't grow up on. We didn't grow up on the sounds

40:08

on the Louisiana bounce sounds or the club

40:11

sounds that was in Atlanta back in the days. And

40:13

now what you see is that Atlanta

40:16

is the hotbed for hip hop music, whereas

40:18

it used to be in New York. At one point it was the West

40:20

Coast, you know what I'm saying. At one point it was Sloop and Dre and

40:22

them in Death Row era was like you had to sound

40:25

like it was from West Coast to be high. Now you gotta sound

40:27

like you from Atlanta. The strip club culture and the DJs,

40:29

and the way the way the industry is and the

40:32

and the fact that the South is bigger

40:34

than New York. If you think about New York

40:36

hip hop, people who love New York hip

40:38

hop we had. We had besides

40:41

creating it, which we always get props

40:43

of credit for, we have to besides creating

40:45

it and sustained in the culture for years before anybody

40:47

got into it. We had errors. We had

40:50

the Biggie error, we had the naz

40:52

boutang, and there were certain errors and that

40:55

everybody respect. But it only goes

40:58

besides EPM do who sampling funk records

41:00

like Dr Dre and them. A lot of stuff only went from

41:03

New York, Baltimore, Connecticut,

41:05

Virginia that tries to area like the East

41:07

Coast, down south. When you talk down

41:09

south, you talk in Miami all

41:12

the way to Arizona, you're

41:14

talking all of that. You're talking to Alabama, Mississippi.

41:16

Now in North Carolina, South Carolina. So there's more.

41:19

There's a lot more radio stations. Think about all the radio

41:21

all the A, B and C radio stations in those

41:24

areas that makes as and then and then that

41:26

music and then New York and the New York shut

41:28

it out for a long long time. So they had to develop

41:30

their own industry now to have their own stars.

41:33

They have their own industry. They owned systems of Paola,

41:35

they own things. So now a record like a

41:37

young Jeez might come out of nowhere to a lot of people

41:39

in New York, but really he was already selling out

41:41

venues with mixtapes. Does

41:44

it frustrate you as as somebody that is

41:46

a Brooklyn mcne is identified as a Brooklyn

41:48

m C with that voice that flow,

41:51

does it? Does it frustrate you concern? You? Am

41:54

I a lone wolf with my my concern and

41:57

and my hair pulling that that sound is

41:59

gone or not? Because I mean

42:01

I just look, I just I just I

42:03

heard a new Joey Badass record that

42:05

felt like, you know, there's a lot of people

42:07

out there doing it. It's dead. But the

42:10

way that we received music, I know that

42:13

it's different. That's all it is. Like the music you

42:15

like used to be marketed to

42:17

you, you know. But the craftsmanship

42:20

to me, like like there's a lot of

42:22

really good mcs to me, the production

42:24

value, the craftsmanship of a guru,

42:27

of of a premier, of a pete

42:29

rock, of a large professor of

42:31

a cute the wolf as

42:34

of the daylock guys, the whole, the whole click

42:36

in terms of the you know whoever was putting

42:38

together which beat. We don't want to start any sort of. You

42:41

know, every group has there. I made to be so

42:43

like the Daylock Collective, the Tribe

42:45

Collective. You know, we got Drew

42:47

Hawk coming on next for the duck Down. I'm

42:49

finally gonna asked one where where

42:52

it was a black Moon record? I waited and waited

42:54

and waited. What happened? The first one

42:56

was so good, talking about perfect record, it

43:00

still didn't come out. The second one. I'm

43:03

still waiting for it. I'm like

43:06

a crazy, crazy wild

43:09

rabbit jew here, where's

43:11

my black record? Second is

43:13

me and Bertie's in He's I love them too. Yeah,

43:16

we're fantastic. That buck Shot Shorty

43:18

was some. It was great Buckshot

43:22

still great Buckshop buckshopping on stage like a rock

43:24

star. Yeah, I

43:26

don't know where this rand talk Buckshot is a rock star?

43:28

But am I alone with disquality? Like? Don't like because

43:32

there's no there's no record sales,

43:34

right, even even the biggest of the biggest

43:37

barely sells anymore records. Why not just

43:39

make the record that you think is the dopest.

43:42

I think a lot of people are doing that. I don't think so.

43:44

I don't radio. What what stop

43:47

listening to radio? I got I got my daughter.

43:49

She loves that, But then that's that's she's she's

43:51

she's supposed to she's supposed to have my own thing.

43:54

You old, are you supposed to be? Like? That's not as good

43:56

as when I grew up listen to because you know, let me

43:58

tell you why. When you were a

44:00

teenager, a college age, what

44:03

you were listening to was attached to your personality.

44:06

It was attached to your identity. You're

44:08

like, I'm this type of person because I listen to nine

44:11

and you're growing as a person, you're learning yourself, you

44:13

know what I'm saying. So that

44:15

music, and it also is attached to nostalgia.

44:18

It's attached to not to you know, we

44:20

all we got have great times, but it's tested to in

44:22

many people's lives the best times, and they your

44:25

experiences, and it's based on your

44:27

emotional level when you heard that song. It's based on

44:29

where you grew up at and your influences. So

44:32

you gotta figure all that. So your daughter is not the same.

44:34

She grew up with a whole different set of influences.

44:37

And guess what's gonna happen to your daughter when

44:39

she's forty fifty. She's gonna

44:41

tell her kids. Yo, you think

44:43

that's hot. The Fetty White period, Fetty White

44:46

was cracking. That ain't no fetty, that's just fake

44:48

fetty wha saying. I

44:51

like Fettie. Why we say he's a special kid

44:53

that made it big. I

44:55

like I like fet I like

44:58

that six seven nine, I like I like I

45:00

like a lot of I like I

45:02

like Freddie. I think he deal he could

45:05

rap and he does that single. Yeah,

45:07

sometimes it sounds like um retard. I

45:11

just gotta say it while

45:13

he's like this the Iron Rapports

45:15

stereo podcast. I've

45:18

heard it before. All right, politics,

45:22

Yo, your man Donald Trump, that's

45:24

your man, d Trump? Yo, man, doesn't

45:26

he sound like a drug dealer from like the nineties? Yo?

45:29

D Trump's coming, Yo, he's gonna come with sounds

45:31

like he SAIDs like a super villain, a billionaire

45:33

super villain in the movies, Like in the Muppets,

45:36

they had the good name namea name, do mean

45:38

text text oil man or something like right

45:42

like like it's like it's like he's like, I'm super villain from

45:44

a Superman movie and he looks like a super villain.

45:48

Right he got the o G like

45:50

he's the gene Hackman He's like he's Gene Hackman and

45:53

Superman too. So you've

45:55

been sort of you've been sort of you know, you

45:57

put yourself out there and sort of you know,

45:59

now you're you're one of the people that you're

46:02

you have a voice in politics, you

46:04

know, like you know you you I've seen you on Bill

46:06

Moore dropping knowledge check

46:10

Don Lemon, your man, Don Lemon. You

46:14

know what's funny about that? That was what

46:16

happens to me. I was like, yo, qualities on CNN.

46:18

You know, you know what happens to me. Since then, people tell

46:20

on Don Lemon to me, like people snitch on

46:22

him, like whenever he sunk up, because he do a lot. Whenever

46:25

he do my Twitter feed blow up

46:28

like I know do like I know Don Lemon sucked

46:30

up my Twitter. They'd be like, yo, you see

46:32

here boy, you see and they tell they tell

46:34

on them to me. That was a great moment in Black America.

46:38

Explained the moment, explain back history, moment

46:41

particulated what happened there um quality

46:43

and and and and what what happened and like were you

46:45

kind of like when it sort of blew up

46:48

for the next few days and you know that everything is

46:50

so instantaneous and Twitter and Instagram.

46:52

Um, well, honestly, you know, where were you? What was it

46:54

for? The flu didn't see it? Um? First

46:57

of all, recipes in Mike Brown. Because

47:00

Mike Brown, along with Trayvon Martin and

47:02

Tamir Rice and Sandra Bland and Rikia

47:04

Boyd and all these people who have we've

47:06

now seen and we have a lot more information

47:09

to dad about their deaths. It spurred

47:11

people to action, know what I'm saying. And Mike

47:13

Brown's situation was interesting because the

47:15

police clearly murdered this just

47:17

this boy seventeen years old, left him in the

47:19

street for six hours, left his body. UM

47:22

at the Department of Justice went

47:24

into the Ferguson Police department. They found a history

47:27

of racism. But not just not just average

47:29

cop racism, but yeah,

47:32

like for money, you know, I'm saying, racism for profits.

47:34

There was a whole different situation. UM.

47:37

And so the people of Ferguson were not activists.

47:39

They were working class people and students

47:42

and people and they who just were shocked at

47:45

this, at this tragedy and this systemic

47:47

oppression. It was shocking to them even

47:49

though they lived in a place they've been living

47:51

under that, but that's what it was. It was extraordined, broke the camel's

47:54

back, you know what I'm saying. So I was

47:56

talking on social media about how

47:58

you can't just tweet, how you can't just

48:01

do Facebook post, how you have to be

48:03

there in the street that I was praising the people of Ferguson. But

48:05

it was ironic to me that I was talking

48:07

about that on social media, and I had to

48:09

really assess my situations. I'm like, I'm

48:11

a perform I'm an entertainment, which means I determined

48:14

my own schedule, so there's no excuse

48:16

for me to not be there. If I'm

48:18

saying people should beat it right. And

48:20

then at Jay Coole, it's funny that

48:23

Ja Cole went and he called

48:25

me went to went to to the Ferguson like

48:28

Jacole went before me. I think

48:30

Young Jeez went before me too, So I'm not the only

48:32

m C who went. Benzino was down

48:34

there. I've seen Benzino marching the street with the people,

48:37

what I'm saying. Like, But so I went and

48:39

I was determined to not do press.

48:42

That was I was like, I'm not here as a rappers here

48:45

with the people. So people asking me to press the whole

48:47

time after I was there. For the first night

48:49

I was there, I got into I got appended

48:51

on the ground by the cops. Oh

48:53

yeah, it was crazy, Like the cops put up

48:55

their gear, you know what I'm saying. They rushed the people, they

48:57

ran. They were like, yeah, I'm getting even trying to rest people's

48:59

me Jessica care more, Rosan Clemente.

49:02

They threw us in the ground for rifles and serious.

49:04

Yeah, this just happened first night I got there. First

49:07

night I got there, were you were you were? You were you scared?

49:09

Yeah? I was that because after

49:12

beyond, he had my life and my body in

49:14

his possession and he could deside. You felt that he

49:17

could decide at any moment like I would. Had the rifle

49:19

right here, he jumped, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,

49:22

and tradition, that's wild.

49:25

And so when that happened, and then

49:27

the people who I was with all got arrested,

49:29

you know what I'm saying, So I couldn't

49:31

leave, you know what I'm saying. I was My plan was to go for

49:34

one night. I was like, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna

49:36

be out there with the people. Everybody gonna see me.

49:38

I'm gonna tweet about it. Then I could say I went

49:41

and I'm gonna go back to going to work, you

49:43

know what I'm saying. But after that,

49:45

I was, I stayed and I was there

49:47

for a few days. I did an interview with Democracy

49:50

Now, uh, which is a great, great

49:52

outlet. People should check out democracy now dot

49:54

org. Um. I did an interview with Joyanne

49:57

Reid because I respect

49:59

what she do when MSNBC, and

50:01

then I was done. But then CNN kept

50:03

calling call um. I ignored

50:05

the calls. Corey Smith, you know, my manager,

50:09

I hadn't heard from him a months, called me like this lady

50:11

called me for CNN calling calling call Yeah,

50:14

shout Smith. So I went and did it, and

50:17

and yeah, don Lemon just was you know, he

50:21

he was, yeah,

50:24

he just I just didn't. I just wasn't. He started

50:26

talking greasy, he was talking, and he was he was

50:28

talking froggy a little. Yeah. It

50:30

was great, yeah so so. But but you

50:33

know, he

50:35

said to me after that exchange of the people, the people

50:37

could google and watch it for the self. But he

50:39

said to me, you know it's gonna go viral, right,

50:41

you know what I'm saying, because he knew I think he knows

50:45

what buttons to push, you know what I'm

50:47

saying. Like, so it wasn't personal to him, it was it

50:49

wasn't personal to him. I don't think it was. I

50:52

don't think it was personal to him. Do you know if

50:54

he has his hair? Did he brush his hair forward

50:56

and backwards? Because I

50:58

just a question I have no I know why

51:00

I shout out, shout out, to shout out to Van

51:03

Jones because the whole time I was there, Van

51:05

Jones was in the back like stay because

51:07

I was. I was gonna leave, I believe, and Van

51:09

Jones is the one who was like stay, Okay,

51:12

okay, cool, all right. Bernie Sanders,

51:14

Hillary, where are you at politically with these three

51:17

guys and gals, these

51:19

three people, these three candidates, Well,

51:21

um, there's a lot of like about

51:24

Bernie Sanders. Um, he's somebody

51:26

who's um. Not

51:28

only do I like him as as far

51:31

as I I agree with the vast majority of his

51:33

positions, but I'm very impressed

51:36

at his ability to still be in the race right now.

51:39

Right last year, I was like, Bernie

51:42

sounds good, but a socialist

51:44

saying things he's saying. No one's gonna

51:47

take that seriously, and people took it seriously,

51:49

and millennials took it seriously. They don't take

51:51

it seriously enough for him to win any goddamn primaries.

51:53

You know he's gonna win. I do I think he's gonna

51:56

win if I had to put if I if I had to put money in it, No, I

51:58

don't think so. If that hundred thousand you

52:00

would say, who's gonna be the next president, Hillary Clinton?

52:02

I think that would that would be an easy

52:04

bet. And that's not an

52:06

endorsement of Hillary Clinton. That's not me

52:08

though I'm my support or voice behind Hilary Clinton.

52:11

That's just me being

52:13

observant. Have you have you been asked

52:15

to get because I gave my public endorsement

52:17

of Bernie Sanders and I thought like it would

52:20

be like big news, you're Bernie Brooke. Wait,

52:22

No one gave a shit about my endorsement. Like

52:24

I didn't get like Michael Rapp Report is finally

52:27

give us an endorsement. No, Like I had

52:29

to tweet it and then I retweeted myself

52:31

that was it. That's only like I felt like I

52:33

was gonna get my impolted because I just feel

52:36

like I feel like, this is what I like about

52:38

Bernie. I feel like if I sat down with him

52:40

at the south By Southwest tune in studios

52:43

and I asked him to explain something to me,

52:45

I would get an answer that was attainable and

52:48

that was appropriately

52:51

honest. I agree with you and and

52:53

Hillary. I feel like probably doesn't like little kids,

52:56

and those kind of people always make me nervous. And

52:58

did you see her? What that girl would Black Lives Matter girl.

53:01

I think she's a super Brettit to grow with. That

53:03

was brilliant. I mean, I just feel like she she I wouldn't

53:06

like. I don't feel like she's a puppy person, you

53:08

know. I feel like she like when when her daughter like,

53:11

I feel like she won't be like, oh, just drop the

53:13

grandkids off over the weekend. I don't feel like she likes

53:15

small. I think she's been I think

53:17

she's been hardened by politics

53:20

and being married to Bill Clinton. He was freaking

53:22

off and then being a Secretary

53:24

Secretary of State, Like after

53:26

all that, she went it was just like traveling the world

53:29

trying to uh push American interests.

53:32

He was all around the world. You know, it was a very

53:34

tough job. Um, I think she's older,

53:37

right and hardened, you know what I'm saying, and

53:39

she's had to weather a lot um as

53:41

a as a woman. I have a lot of respect

53:43

for Hillary Clinton. Um. There's a lot

53:45

of criticism out there about her that I think it's accurate,

53:48

um, including some of the criticism that you just

53:51

laid out. Um. You

53:53

know. And as a politician, I

53:56

think I like Bernie Sanders better as a politician.

53:58

I I have to I have to agree, you know,

54:00

the looming Bill

54:02

Clinton back in the White House factor. I like that,

54:05

the stability of that in the familiarity

54:07

Did I say that familiar? How do you say, don't

54:12

familiar? Familiarity?

54:14

Oh? Thank you, thank you. Mr Here, here's my two

54:16

SATs, give you a two sip, Mr Moody. If

54:19

Hillary wins, it's gonna be riots that

54:22

Trump sound Trump.

54:25

He said it. He also says steaks are gonna

54:28

sell good at the shopper image what

54:31

he said he's not. He also said I don't trust

54:33

the Blacks with my money. I needed Jewish guys. What the hepp with the little

54:35

hatch? Did he say that? He also said

54:37

all Mexicans are rapist. He also said we

54:39

should vet all Muslims before we let him in the country.

54:42

He also said, I love the Blacks, I love

54:44

the bucks. He's buck wild. How

54:47

is he doing in the poems? He's going

54:49

to run for sweeping ship. He's sweeping, Yo,

54:52

He's gonna run for pre if he doesn't get the nomination,

54:54

he said, Yo, it's gonna be riots. Well he's

54:56

kicking that. Well, then there's gonna be a bunch of hipsters

54:59

and and and and and and and you know. I

55:01

I the fact that he says things like

55:04

if I don't win, this gonna be right. It's exactly why

55:06

they're not going to give him the nomination. They're

55:08

not. They're not, and they're they're looking right

55:11

now. The GOP is scrambling for

55:13

any reason. So when them

55:15

when all this ship he's talking about the

55:17

GOP, about Fox News, they're

55:20

gonna get him back for that. When the convention happens,

55:23

they're gonna be like John ksekasing

55:25

whatever statements, or they're gonna pick someone and

55:28

then what they weren't. What they're gonna say is Trump

55:31

is a bigot, he's inflammatory,

55:34

he doesn't understand simple basic

55:36

laws. He he's

55:38

not a true conservative. He's friends with Hillary

55:41

Clinton. He you know what I'm saying that they didn't

55:43

look at his wife. They're gonna bring They're gonna say all

55:45

that they're just wait waiting for the convention. They're

55:47

waiting. That's what. That's what I've been saying. I feel

55:49

like they're just like, let this guy and then

55:51

ka ka came off. He's gonna be like, they're gonna

55:54

say that and then and you know

55:56

what, their base is gonna be upset and

55:59

be when my starting up. But that's gonna just make

56:02

them look bad. Right, all

56:04

right, We're gonna go quality. I can't

56:06

tell you how much I appreciate it. Where what do we? Where are we at?

56:08

Tonight? South By Southwest? Where the party at, where

56:10

the performance is at? I'm

56:13

going to club Bed? Okay, what's the club club Bed?

56:16

What's what's going on there? Okay?

56:18

Club Bed? DJ Pillow are you bullshit?

56:21

I'm gonna take a nap, That's what I'm saying. Okay, okay,

56:24

okay, okay, okay, and then what then what? And

56:26

then I'm gonna go to the duck down Sean

56:29

Price Birthdays Extravaganza after

56:31

Austin Music Hall. We're going to

56:33

that too, isn't. Is it Nasty Nas performing? I

56:38

think Nasty Nas is performing. He's

56:40

shutting it down, all right, yo. Quality. I can't

56:42

tell you how much I appreciate it. I

56:45

hope they didn't take it as an insult when I said you

56:47

were so on time or not? Did not?

56:49

I was? You know, I prided myself on punctuality.

56:52

I mean, but rapper time. He

56:55

told you he wasn't. I know that. I know

56:57

that that's the mistake. People think I'm a rapper song

57:00

of Africa. I know, I know. I'm

57:02

just saying I'm an international Man of Mystery

57:04

as my official job title. When I come back in this in

57:06

the country and they say, sir, what is your occupation,

57:09

I say, international Man of Mystery ebany

57:11

man Apollo legend. I'm sure that goes

57:13

over real well with the t s A people. I'm sure

57:16

you know what. They recognize me now, which is great. They know

57:18

they used to get arrested. Now they recognize.

57:21

They give you a little shout out. Now they'd be like, they

57:23

say, you go

57:25

ahead, man. They used to be like you right

57:28

this way sir, as as they

57:30

should quality as they shift let you through,

57:33

all right. I appreciate you coming on the show here

57:36

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58:40

everything? Man, I'm selling right now, you know

58:42

south by southwest that what's good?

58:45

Yo? Where where are you at right

58:47

now? I'm all over the place, Man of

58:49

Mount Austin. I'm

58:52

saying the Mountain Sequin. I'm

58:54

throwing my shuffle down in San Antoni.

58:56

I'm up in Star Crash. I'm moving

58:58

and coving. Man, you know, shaking and bacon.

59:01

You dig the great,

59:03

the great? So cap what's going on

59:05

in and and in the wonderful, wacky, incredible

59:09

world of the Wu Tang Clan. Wow,

59:13

the soccer continues, man, right now.

59:16

Man, ghost was out here. We did a couple of shows.

59:18

We are We had emos up, we

59:20

got the WHO radio things popping

59:23

off, so visits the l A W wasn't on

59:25

movies. Uh, it was just out

59:27

of me too. Um. He

59:29

did his little bets of code thing and

59:32

man, goot stay here. So we did like two shows

59:35

and uh, I mean, come on, man, we're

59:37

just doing what we threw. I just dropped the joint called

59:40

the Village, took places.

59:44

I think the hook golf train I tripped before

59:46

the clost too has been Betters, the first tip

59:49

hop album with no hooks. It's

59:51

crazy Actions had all the way

59:53

through, like, I gotta check that out. Cut

59:58

Ward Talent was saying, the whole world

1:00:01

radio is here screaming.

1:00:04

We're doing big things and we do that every

1:00:06

day at the Hookah spot and

1:00:11

Um, yeah, anybody's doing

1:00:13

we supposed to do. Man. We're working on a new

1:00:16

album right now. I think um Ghost

1:00:18

is gonna spearhead

1:00:20

this project right here. Yo, good

1:00:23

man, listen, man, let me let me ask you a question. Cap.

1:00:25

You know, we're a long time you

1:00:28

know WOU fans and hip hop fans, and

1:00:30

what what what? What? What are you excited about

1:00:34

in the culture? What? What pisches

1:00:36

you off? What disappoints you after

1:00:39

you guys being in being in in in this for

1:00:41

so long twentysomething years? First

1:00:43

of all, did you ever imagine that it would be

1:00:46

something that you would be doing? Pretty much?

1:00:48

You're gonna be doing this for the rest of your life. You're married

1:00:50

to it, whether you guys like it or not. Like

1:00:52

like when you when you first started, did

1:00:55

you ever think that two thousand

1:00:57

and sixteen, you guys would still be rocking, will

1:01:00

be relevant, still be people that would get

1:01:02

everybody excited the way you still do collectively

1:01:04

and as individuals. It

1:01:07

was being on my comprehension that that

1:01:09

we would ever even make it

1:01:11

as as a rap group or making as as

1:01:14

anything at that point because we grew up

1:01:16

on the crime side of the New York Times side

1:01:20

was no job thing

1:01:23

you have it, So I didn't you

1:01:25

know, I didn't really see no conduct

1:01:27

glory. I didn't see you coming up

1:01:29

with the project and going through the job

1:01:31

in grivelations. You know, you don't

1:01:33

really have a lot of hope. So for

1:01:35

us to even make it, and it to be

1:01:38

so many of us going through the same

1:01:40

struggle at the same time and

1:01:42

to make it at the same time, that's that's

1:01:45

like one in a million, dude, right,

1:01:49

my whole all my childhood friends,

1:01:52

those are all my chalent friends. We literally

1:01:55

grew up together, I mean from

1:01:57

school, from playing the park,

1:01:59

from our mother's knowing each other and babysitting

1:02:01

each other. That's how far back it goes. So

1:02:04

you know when we made it like that and

1:02:07

um came together

1:02:09

for one common cause, that in itself

1:02:12

is a blessing, the gift, and it was crazy. I

1:02:14

never and my wildest dreams would

1:02:16

have ever thought that we would be the Woutane

1:02:18

clan. As far as the condition to music

1:02:20

today, I'm looking at

1:02:23

it like it's a little saturated, it's

1:02:25

a little watered down. But at the same

1:02:27

time, music is evolving and it's gonna

1:02:29

continue to evolve. Um, we

1:02:31

would. We were the thub thistles

1:02:34

coming up at that time, you know, and

1:02:36

we and we we was raised on in the crack

1:02:38

era. So yeah, so

1:02:41

yeah, our music you know, defined

1:02:43

that time. Now it's a little more

1:02:45

loose, it's a little more foody, pebblished.

1:02:48

And we as the pioneers of hip

1:02:50

hop, oh it to ourselves to

1:02:53

stir up some kind of foundation in

1:02:55

that so that the little kids are not going

1:02:58

towards you know, feminism, see and

1:03:01

and um, you know, hatred

1:03:03

and being green. No cap

1:03:06

That's what I'm talking about because

1:03:08

because for me, you know, the thing that

1:03:11

concerns me with with the with the music in

1:03:13

general is that, you

1:03:15

know, first of all, the record sales

1:03:17

are done, you know, because the music business

1:03:19

is so screwed up, the record sales are done. So

1:03:22

like if I you know, like, why not make the records

1:03:24

that you're proud of, that you guys that are

1:03:27

feel excited about and that the fans

1:03:29

like because you know, like Wu Tang,

1:03:32

the people that are still relevant, Wull Tank

1:03:34

collectively, all you guys, you know, as a

1:03:36

collective and individuals. You know, you

1:03:38

got NAS, you got jay Z, you

1:03:41

got Q Tip, you got guys that are still

1:03:43

around that can sort of bring bring

1:03:45

the dial back to

1:03:47

that boom, back to that hip hop, to that

1:03:50

grimy sound. Because one of the things that was

1:03:52

so special about all you you know,

1:03:54

for obviously thirty six Chambers and then you know,

1:03:57

all the all the first, second, and third albums

1:03:59

that you got just put out is the musicality,

1:04:02

the craftsmanship, and the musicality and

1:04:05

the craftsmanship that you guys and

1:04:07

the seriousness that you all took as

1:04:09

MC's. You know, now, because

1:04:11

of Instagram and Twitter and YouTube,

1:04:14

anybody could just make a rhyme and the next

1:04:16

thing you know, you're on tour. You know, Like

1:04:18

for me, you know, it was like life

1:04:20

and death when you put out your first album. You

1:04:23

knew if it was whacked, you're gonna be working

1:04:25

at a grocery store, right, yeah,

1:04:27

you better believe it. You better

1:04:29

believe it, man. And and even with the

1:04:32

Go album, I still experienced

1:04:34

some struggling strife. So you

1:04:36

know, for me to still be in the game and have

1:04:39

an experience homelessness and cab driving

1:04:41

and whatsoever and so forth, it was

1:04:43

just a humbling experience.

1:04:46

To let me know that yo, master

1:04:49

art of between the part man. Right,

1:04:53

Hey, let me ask you something. Did you see I'm assuming

1:04:55

you saw it. Did you see the uh the n

1:04:58

w A Dot film? And what

1:05:00

would it take? I can't

1:05:02

even imagine because I think that whoever took it on might

1:05:04

wind up in in in Bellevue. But

1:05:06

what would it take to do a Wu tank

1:05:09

film? You know, because whoever do you ever tried

1:05:11

to take that or listen, uh the the the

1:05:13

n w A movie. I'm sure that was tough, but that was only

1:05:16

four of them. You guys, there's

1:05:18

there's there's there's so many there's

1:05:20

so many personalities. So what did

1:05:22

you think of the n w A movie? And you know, I'm

1:05:25

sure you guys have been approached about

1:05:27

about a Wu Tang movie. Do you think that would ever

1:05:29

happen? There's

1:05:32

a great possibility, But we need, like

1:05:35

we we we need counselors to come

1:05:37

in, we

1:05:40

need we need the whole social

1:05:43

network to really come in. And this this isn't

1:05:45

gonna be a village project, right

1:05:48

because I'm even thinking, I'm even

1:05:50

thinking like bringing the

1:05:53

same uh directors,

1:05:56

if not directors, some of the casting people,

1:05:59

um their their expertise.

1:06:01

It's not necessarily the people that they has with

1:06:03

their expertise to the

1:06:06

Wood Sang movie, being that they already

1:06:08

have a direction of

1:06:11

what it looks like. So

1:06:14

the people who did that, that that Compton movie,

1:06:17

they probably we probably need to bring them

1:06:19

in along with with

1:06:22

Dr Phil and the rest of them. Yeah, you

1:06:24

need Dr Phil, you need you need

1:06:26

like a few, like a handful of people. You need specialists,

1:06:29

so my god nerologists,

1:06:31

you need people that make sure everybody's blood is

1:06:33

checked and flowing, and you need dietitians.

1:06:37

So let me ask you something before I let you

1:06:39

go. What what are you listening to?

1:06:42

What? What? Dude? What does Capitana the Great

1:06:45

listen to? Any you can say it might

1:06:47

not even be hip hop. Yeah, I know you're listening to

1:06:49

that old soul, Like what do you listen

1:06:52

to? Want to know? Look, you already

1:06:54

know, and you know

1:06:56

what, That's what we all listen to because

1:06:59

that's what we've up on. So the majority

1:07:01

of the times when we on our tour buses

1:07:04

and we're moving and grooving and on them long

1:07:06

flights all the way to Japan and Germany and

1:07:08

all that, that's what we've been listening to. The

1:07:11

how Melvin and the Blue Notes to a top

1:07:13

spinning. It just goes on and on.

1:07:16

Aside from that. Aside

1:07:18

from that, we um, you know, we listened

1:07:21

to a lot of tracks. UM.

1:07:23

So for fact, we listened to that, you know them

1:07:25

hard tracks and um at the same

1:07:27

time. I mean, hey, listen,

1:07:30

we we do the hip hop thing too, but we

1:07:32

like their hard and crunchy most

1:07:34

of the time. When it comes down to hip hop, that'd

1:07:37

be me playing in on the bus a

1:07:39

lot. A lot of the brothers you know, they

1:07:41

be in too. We be in two different things. We're reading

1:07:44

books, um, you know, just

1:07:46

it reads a lot and everybody

1:07:48

just be into that. The social network

1:07:50

immediate thing. But you know, I bring

1:07:53

all of the you know, the meditation

1:07:55

and spiritualism and prayers and all that

1:07:57

into the game. Okay, okay, okay,

1:08:00

let me ask you a question. All over the

1:08:02

world, you guys have been and if you've been

1:08:04

to if you've been to every continent with Wu

1:08:06

Tang and Capitana and and like your own touff,

1:08:08

like, have you been all over the world like during

1:08:10

this journey. Now, I haven't

1:08:13

been all over the world. I've I've been

1:08:15

blessed and grateful to have um

1:08:18

been to some of the places I've been, like Japan

1:08:20

and Russia and uh

1:08:23

France and in Rome and you

1:08:25

know, all of those places. I haven't been to South

1:08:27

America yet, and I haven't been to Africa.

1:08:29

I've lost my passport for like twelve

1:08:32

years. I got it back for maybe

1:08:34

six months. Um, somebody stole

1:08:36

my luggage out the car. I

1:08:39

just got it back again. And I just got

1:08:41

it back again like maybe

1:08:45

shoo or three weeks ago, and

1:08:47

I haven't I haven't have not yet to get

1:08:49

a stamp on it yet. So I'm

1:08:52

proud of that. I'm proud of that. I'm

1:08:54

ready to flow again. And m

1:08:57

you know how it is. Man. It's nice to be important,

1:08:59

but it's important to be nice. You did absolutely,

1:09:02

absolutely all rights

1:09:05

the happy hour, Michael

1:09:07

Rapport, and we're out. It's

1:09:09

been a pleasure line from the tune

1:09:11

intent happy Hour, the happiest

1:09:14

of the happy hour. It's not just happy hour, it's

1:09:16

the happiest happy hour. And

1:09:18

we're out.