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ladies and gentlemen. That was an entirely

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1:49

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2:02

here with Ed Larson. Hello! And

2:05

today we're gonna... this is a relaxed fit.

2:07

This is a very flexible, relaxed fit. Very

2:11

much so. But

2:13

today we're gonna be talking about a specific

2:15

case. We're gonna be talking about something that

2:18

we've been obsessed with for a while now.

2:20

The second season of the show about the

2:22

subject just came out. We're gonna be talking

2:25

about the curious case of Natalia Grace. Yes,

2:27

and I will again... I already did my

2:29

apology. I said it once and I'll say

2:31

it again first off because I was interested

2:34

in the story of Natalia Grace simply from

2:36

the angle that the orphan movie

2:38

was real. Yeah, well that was the

2:40

conceit. Yeah, because that's... I mean to

2:43

be fair that's exactly how it was

2:45

framed in the news. Before the full

2:47

documentary came out it was framed in

2:49

the news as a little

2:51

person... Evil orphan. Evil

2:54

orphan terrorizes precious mothers. I

2:56

read the Daily Mail. Yeah,

3:00

it was framed as an evil

3:02

orphan had come to America posing

3:04

as a child and had terrorized

3:07

a family, had terrorized a mother...

3:09

Sent by anti-Zilinski forces from inside of

3:11

the Ukraine in order to destabilize Ukraine's

3:14

support from within America. Yeah, and this

3:16

person had terrorized these two people,

3:18

one of whom was a mother who

3:21

had written a book called The Spark

3:23

about raising an autistic son,

3:26

raising him to be a genius. Yes, and

3:28

she did it. Yeah, and she did it.

3:30

And that was her conceit that she did

3:33

it and there was all of a sudden

3:35

in their life this crazy adult posing as

3:37

a child that was bringing knives in

3:39

their room and threatening to kill them and

3:41

all that and as... And had purposely sprouted

3:44

bush hair. Yes, as a tactic

3:46

like a scumbler does. You could do it,

3:48

you think really hard and you press your

3:50

hands together and go... But

3:57

none of that was true. As

3:59

we now know, It was a child the

4:01

whole time. Very much so. Very much so

4:03

a child. Proof is in the pudding of

4:05

that. So you love pudding. The

4:08

pubicare. All right. Can

4:10

we talk? It was a lie. It was a lie.

4:12

It was a lie. Yeah, we'll get to it. We'll

4:14

get to it. Also, I've had back care since I was 10.

4:17

Yeah. So I had back

4:19

care before I had pubicare. Really? I had

4:21

chest care before I had pubicare. How can

4:23

you tell if you have back care before

4:25

pubicare? Well, I couldn't see them. My

4:27

pubes at the time because I was fairly round. But

4:30

I could tell from the back care because my mom said,

4:32

oh, could you like your uncle Kevin? He

4:34

was virile. She told

4:36

me back care was a sign of virility. I guess so.

4:39

Yeah, look at me now. Yeah. All

4:41

these children. Look at it. I just

4:43

keep late term aborting them. So

4:46

should we start with maybe going through the characters?

4:49

Oh, sure. Absolutely. Going through

4:51

all the people. So the main character

4:53

here is Natalia Grace. She

4:56

was born in the Ukraine in 2003.

5:00

We think around, but definitely around 2003. The

5:04

documents that they received from the Ukraine say that

5:07

she was born in 2003. But

5:10

it's within, let's say,

5:12

plus or minus a year. The footage

5:14

of that Ukrainian orphanage. It was

5:16

frightening. Where she came from. Yeah, dude.

5:18

It looked like an MK ultra site. And

5:23

Russian former Soviet states,

5:25

their orphanages have an

5:27

absolutely horrific reputation. That's

5:29

slander. I can't fucking

5:31

even. What?

5:34

No, these places are absolute. They're horror

5:36

shows. They've been horror shows forever.

5:40

And they're basically a lot of them are

5:42

set up to drain as much money from

5:44

America as they possibly can. I

5:46

think there's other ways to do that. Start

5:49

a proxy war. And

5:52

the Ukraine, like we all, you know, we

5:54

all have a soft spot for them now.

5:56

Of course. Back in 2003,

5:59

incredibly corrupt. Yeah, there's a

6:01

lot going on. It's like it's a hard area

6:03

to be in especially it seems as a child

6:05

You may in a their version of

6:08

the uh, the system like the the

6:10

foster system because natalia grace The

6:13

stories that she talks about within that

6:15

ukrainian orphanage like the idea That

6:17

they so in order to get all the kids in ukraine In

6:21

that orphanage to go to sleep at night and a

6:23

man you remember this dress up in

6:25

a goblin mask And a

6:27

suit this is what she according to natalia

6:29

grace and actually it kind of tracks that

6:31

he would chase them to sleep Which

6:35

is like it doesn't make a good

6:37

attitude Like can you be haunted to

6:39

sleep each night and either because you

6:41

either become angelina jolly, uh-huh Or

6:44

wednesday adams but real Yeah, you know, but

6:46

I guess this is kind of what ended

6:48

up kind of happening to natalia grace But I

6:50

don't know about her memories because she came

6:52

to the united states at a very young

6:54

age She was two or three when she

6:56

came to the united states Uh,

6:59

and she was adopted by this

7:01

family called the chikoni. Yes, the

7:03

chikoni family Which also goes in

7:06

she was named natalia lord chikoni,

7:08

which is Madonna's child's

7:10

name as well. Well, yeah, Madonna said

7:12

chikoni. Yeah, madonna's real last name is chikoni.

7:14

Oh, that's cool Yeah, yeah, madonna. I don't know

7:16

if madonna is her actual real first name, but

7:18

her last name is chikoni I would imagine madonna's

7:20

not her real name. It might be like lauren

7:25

But the chikonis had her for two

7:27

years and you know, natalia grace

7:29

she was born that is her real name Yeah,

7:32

that is a real. Yeah, uh, but

7:34

uh, she was born with a uh,

7:37

a rare form of dwarfism so she

7:40

Requires a lot of medical attention a lot

7:42

a lot of medical attention. It's a

7:44

very expensive child to have Yeah,

7:47

and so the chikonis specialty shoes

7:50

You need to have stuff set up in your

7:52

house so they can reach things you have a

7:54

lot of surgery a lot of surgery constantly Yes,

7:56

the 3200 people have this in the world. They

7:59

said yeah, damn It's very, very rare. But

8:02

what the Chikonies did is that they

8:04

started basically shopping her around,

8:06

shopping Natalia around to other little

8:09

people families. Yeah, well, because the

8:11

idea of like maybe

8:13

people that understand the syndrome

8:15

or like what

8:18

she deals with, like would probably help

8:20

to have a couple, having an actual

8:22

door family raise you, because

8:24

they know what to look for and they know how

8:26

to help. Yes, but it also came with a price

8:28

tag, it seems. And

8:30

it always, the Chikonies are

8:33

very mysterious people in this

8:35

story because nobody has ever

8:37

actually talked to them. They're

8:40

very secretive, they're very reclusive, they're very

8:42

litigious. Yeah, they don't want to be involved

8:44

in the story, which I mean, it's hard because they did

8:46

what they felt was right by Natalia.

8:49

And you know, I don't know what else you're supposed to

8:51

do about that. But I knew they couldn't properly take care

8:54

of her. You would think. Yeah,

8:56

but eventually after passing over

8:58

like two different little

9:00

people couples, the

9:03

Chikonies settled on Michael

9:05

and Christine Barnett. Now

9:07

Michael Barnett, how would you describe

9:10

Michael Barnett? He is weenie. He

9:12

is a weenie? She

9:15

is one of the, I talked about

9:17

this on Side Stories and he obviously,

9:19

he makes for good television. He does.

9:22

If you look, if you watch the actual series. Animated.

9:25

Animated. But Michael

9:28

Barnett is an absolute

9:31

weasel. I would

9:33

put him towards, he's like an

9:36

evil pain butler, Christina Barnett. He

9:39

was a very strange man. Flair

9:43

for the Dramatic. Very much so. He's

9:45

obsessed with himself, loves Alice

9:47

in Chains. That's one

9:49

of the best parts about him. Loved his

9:52

little car. He pulls up in his little

9:54

car, loves the convertible of some sort. Absolutely.

9:57

He's sprinting. There's nothing wrong with that.

9:59

And then he definitely. Look like Fred

10:01

Durst now on Tor A specific the

10:03

on Friday or Saturday when the old

10:06

man bank owners are but she is

10:08

a shameless. Fame Goblins

10:10

vs. Bet is now the center

10:12

he said to himself into the

10:14

story. Is a narcissist. Burst

10:17

of i'm is absolutely a narcissist

10:19

absolute and possibly on the spectrum.

10:21

far away dressed always as throughout

10:23

the show I watched does seven

10:25

episodes and the course of like

10:27

ten hours and to replace a

10:29

half broken right now Hey Op.

10:32

Ed was the it's see thirty slowly

10:35

got worse stress through I know he

10:37

has less money I was ever dress

10:39

well really our first interview that I

10:42

come on till I got his supposed

10:44

to be used book. And related will.

10:47

I didn't actually doing is trying to

10:49

show the like guys were regular died

10:51

when he did the act out. Of

10:53

the first, when he was a bit in

10:55

that first season. when he's on the glance

10:58

I mean like I can't say anything. Yeah,

11:00

I'm. I'm. Like that right Bridal how I

11:02

speak. Yes So a lot of times of watch it

11:04

and be in light. Of quite the

11:06

storyteller. Retire and I know this because

11:08

I'm watching like us I use my

11:11

hands. Histrionic is no way that I

11:13

were absolute describe this man is ah

11:15

and so. Michael Bar is married to

11:17

Christine Barnett and Christine Barnett's is a

11:19

hundred percent. As I mean if at

11:22

from what I can tell from the

11:24

documentary series from U N, from what

11:26

she said and blah blah so and

11:28

so forth. sociopath, I'm the absolute sociopath

11:31

personnel. She is a handful of research

11:33

and there are also in terms of

11:35

just. Look. That ice. Blondes

11:37

like she's got the think she looks

11:40

like kind of otherworldly. She looks like

11:42

what's your name from the Golden Compass.

11:45

O K Blanchette Minor Like that style

11:47

like with Ice Queen. Whatever it is,

11:49

our aura was, or maximum, our Emma

11:52

Frost. Yes, as a panel, it's like

11:54

Emma Frost that's bad. A adds a

11:56

dime store. Emma Frost Iraq Like Brett.

11:59

Butler. Is she was a

12:01

robot? Yeah you wouldn't read about my

12:03

now he has ever from home that

12:05

sushi. Ah. I see

12:07

wrote this book the Spark because see

12:10

their they have these others, their other

12:12

son, their biological. The biological side of

12:14

the three is a ah yes the

12:16

one that was featured on the documentary

12:18

series T was a child prodigy that

12:21

with like you know he broke all

12:23

these records gave his own ted talk

12:25

yeah I heard I heard stories where

12:27

you know he would take see like

12:30

popsicle. Sticks and toothpicks and he

12:32

would build like. The Interstate.

12:34

Like he would build. Like Indianapolis, he

12:36

would build the interstate. He knew all

12:38

the names of the streets like he's

12:41

absolute genius. Yes, even crack likes incredible

12:43

proven genius and as seems which I'd

12:45

say I've heard a lot about prodigies

12:48

was like that idea of like. When.

12:50

They. Try to move on.

12:53

Passive prodigy stage, it's

12:55

very detrimental. To. Their

12:58

mental health club times that

13:00

accelerated intellect seems to sometimes

13:02

affect a social. Ability

13:04

like it affects somebody bring you into especially

13:06

good your they talk about with kids get.

13:09

Put. A put it had in class you don't

13:11

like how like they have the kind of fucks

13:13

up their social network a little bit and kind

13:15

of fuck them up later on or of you've

13:17

met anybody. I love them but it's I yam

13:19

it's I'm you've met someone a member and schools

13:21

have went from home schooling to came to public

13:23

school or to die anyway so hard transition because

13:25

they come in and they're used the mom and

13:28

dad being their social networks or the use it

13:30

they and so they're kind of like can act

13:32

like an alien and I feel like and that

13:34

way he suffered from that when he got to

13:36

the point where like now you're not a child

13:38

anymore. Whereas. The adult prodigy

13:40

part and pressure seems to make

13:43

people kind old in a little

13:45

bit. More Christine

13:47

wrote a book about Raising This

13:49

Guy I his name is Jacob.

13:51

I wrote a book about Raising

13:54

Them called the Sparks Ah in

13:56

which she takes a lot of

13:58

credit. For. His. Genius. Yeah,

14:00

I'd take the lot of credit bird

14:03

basically saying if it wasn't for me

14:05

and my superior skill, this child would

14:07

not be the genius that he is.

14:09

And. It's. Successful Emmy This

14:12

book was well known. There was a

14:14

sixty minutes segment on Jacob Barnett and

14:16

been decent. This woman gave talks spurred

14:18

the book was a it sold very

14:21

very well. So this woman was a

14:23

known figure and I guess the parenting

14:25

community or know exactly what you'd call

14:28

it. So I agree me here. Jacob

14:30

Barnett is cooked full on getting his

14:32

doctorate right now That's incorrect. Yeah, he's

14:34

working hard being being becoming a theoretical

14:37

physicists sounds difficult. yeah, Jack Barn and

14:39

also yeah who was also abused. As

14:41

a child in the show I

14:44

would say he's the only likeable

14:46

character a player so I feel

14:48

poor. but also I feel bad

14:51

for Natalia Grace because of what

14:53

she went through and this process

14:55

of being blamed. What the story

14:58

of Natalia Grace is I think

15:00

completely wrapped up in this documentary

15:02

series or because so far that

15:05

have there been two seasons that

15:07

documentary aired on Id Discovery. Ah,

15:09

six episodes each. Season One

15:12

season to Ah and

15:14

the documentary itself. Became

15:16

a part of a Natalia Gray

15:18

story Yes, especially how they framed

15:20

A Because I would say that's

15:22

this documentary series is. Unethical

15:24

to set his me I'm every believes

15:27

in a lot ferry exploit their exploitive

15:29

in a lot of different ways and

15:31

towards a lot of people in the

15:33

case towards Jacob ah towards her Natalia.

15:35

I am thankful that Natalia the actually

15:37

don't get to tell her story in

15:40

the second season she gets or a

15:42

bottle but in the first season the

15:44

documentary filmmakers kind of like they frame

15:46

it as like. maybe season

15:48

ago yeah maybe she's not

15:50

maybe he's a sexual predator

15:52

maybe she's not when they

15:55

knew the entire time that

15:57

she was a trial and

15:59

multiple episodes And I still thought that she

16:01

might be a little demon. Yeah And

16:05

they set it up for narrative Interest but you

16:07

know It doesn't really serve like you have to

16:09

wait a whole season to find out that they

16:11

knew for a fact that she was a child

16:14

The entire fucking time and that's

16:16

that's the big key here is that where

16:18

did it start? So Christine Barnett they had

16:20

the Barnett's adopt Natalia Grace Yeah, and you

16:22

in 2010 they adopted they arrived she arrives

16:25

at their home and it

16:27

sounds like they picked her up in Florida They

16:29

picked her up in Florida people of America or

16:31

something were the ones that like sold her kind

16:33

of I'm not sure about that Okay,

16:35

I'm still piecing together the documentary. Yeah Yeah,

16:38

if we if we get a couple

16:40

of facts wrong, you know, forgive us Sorry,

16:42

they'll POTL a gmail.com because we're just kind

16:44

of talking about this this story because I

16:46

will say like I know that there are

16:49

people Who feel very very strongly

16:51

about this case and I'm one and I get

16:53

it But I will all but I'm also gonna

16:55

say that this case is Extraordinarily

16:58

messy. It's very very complicated

17:01

Everybody's got a different story as to what happened

17:03

and that's also on top of the fact that

17:05

you know A lot of people depend on

17:08

Natalia Grace herself as

17:10

far as how things happen But you

17:12

also have to remember that she's working

17:15

from a child's memory like she's she's

17:17

talking about things that happened to her

17:19

when she was Seven

17:21

eight nine ten years old Literally

17:24

forced to become an adult she was by

17:26

the time she was nine She was definitely

17:28

forced to become adult because the courts did

17:30

it. Yeah, but then later on like she

17:32

before that She really she had a very

17:35

tough life Yeah, and in that's the other

17:37

thing too is that it's also the memories

17:39

of a person who has Absolutely

17:41

without a doubt hundred percent been sexually

17:43

abused at one point in her life

17:45

and thoroughly traumatized and And

17:48

thoroughly and physically abused mentally abused

17:50

It's not emotionally abused every bit

17:52

every Every kind of abuse

17:54

you could think of you went through. so

17:56

Barnett's they adopted They adopted Natalia. She arrived.

18:00

Read on the situation is that we thank

18:02

the Christine Barnett was looking for material for

18:04

her next book. Of course you know like

18:06

because the the A ticket good it's also

18:08

brew a backed up by Michael Barnett who

18:11

believes that Christine was like had openly send

18:13

this of this was a book that she

18:15

was a new car to basically idea of

18:17

like kid flipper assists tiger getting hit in

18:19

air If I get any kid doesn't matter

18:22

I can flip I'm I can make it

18:24

into the I could make them a success

18:26

story yeah I can I can take a

18:28

trouser the very rare genetic disease. Ah

18:30

A with a lot of challenges and I

18:33

can make them a genius because I made

18:35

my other son into at my other son

18:37

who has you know who has his own

18:39

issues. I made him a genius so I

18:41

can make anybody a Geez, it's a big

18:44

sequel Yes and obviously this is conjecture but

18:46

it does. Seem. To trust

18:48

What Six hundred thousand dollars on the

18:50

first book advance right now and so

18:52

and and lord knows how much that

18:54

successful both made after that So we're

18:56

talking probably a million dollars is bullshit.

18:59

Have another meal ticket this on my

19:01

opinion at all yet he's all opinion

19:03

mlp not even counting like talks that

19:05

she to give appearances and all that

19:07

the over ancillary income you get from

19:09

the shut yes and so big it

19:11

seems that natal the arrived and. I.

19:13

Think number one: her

19:16

physical issues were appellants

19:18

and. On. But be

19:20

we're not prepared, not a She came

19:22

and olds annoyed because what she needed

19:24

was a lot. Of. Care She

19:27

needed a lot of surgeries she needed.

19:29

again the prosthetic shoes and he bleed.

19:31

Oppressive True costs like three grand. It's

19:33

like this. big money and. She.

19:36

Also showed up. Truly desperately

19:38

traumatized. maybe? with and and sometimes

19:40

a that it kind of prefers.

19:42

And we like. She. Showed up

19:44

not ready to be the prodigy. That.

19:46

Christine wanted her to be on

19:48

at all and then realize that

19:51

I can flip. This. Kid.

19:53

What? Do I do? I. Gotta get

19:55

rid of this kid. Young and. About.

19:58

a year before a little movie

20:00

called The Orphan had been released. Which

20:02

is a great movie! And I still

20:05

wish it was real! Because that's

20:07

fun as hell! And so,

20:09

like, it's speculated

20:12

that Christine... Oh,

20:14

I know an orphan! Yes, saw

20:17

the movie and thought, we'll just

20:19

do that. We'll just prove that

20:21

this little girl is an actual

20:23

adult, and then once we prove

20:25

that she's an adult, we can

20:27

just kind of get rid of

20:30

her. We can push her aside.

20:32

We can get her out of here. Well, they

20:34

tried a couple of things. At first it was

20:36

trying to show that she was a danger. So,

20:39

she started reporting that she was attacking

20:41

people in the neighborhood, and that she

20:43

was attacking her fellow kids. And then

20:45

she was attacking people at school. We

20:48

now know that Natalia's teacher came out

20:50

and said that Christine Barnett had made

20:52

a report that Natalia was ramming kids

20:54

with her wheelchair and being a wheeled

20:58

terror inside of

21:00

her classrooms with Natalia's teacher basically

21:02

said that didn't happen. Natalia's

21:05

adopted mother, Christine Barnett, was like, she's

21:07

a monster. We're trying to maybe get

21:09

her into sort of like an asylum-like

21:11

situation. Well, I mean, there were so

21:13

many things leading up to

21:15

that, to the asylum-type situation, where it

21:17

was them saying that she

21:19

would show up in the middle of the

21:22

night at the foot of their bed with

21:24

a knife, saying, I'm going to kill you.

21:26

And they tried to throw their other kids

21:28

into traffic. Yeah, exactly. Trying to lure them

21:30

out to traffic, like grabbing their toys and

21:32

throwing them out into traffic, trying to lure

21:34

them out into traffic. And then sexually getting

21:36

involved with her husband. She floated this idea

21:39

that Natalia was seducing

21:41

Michael. Well, that was a

21:44

very interesting thing, because she

21:46

was also, at the time, she

21:49

was messaging in contact with a little-person

21:51

country singer named Freddie Gill. This guy's

21:53

a fun character. He's a fun character.

21:55

He goes by the name of Two

21:57

Foot Fred. He got

21:59

famous. by being in the first

22:01

big and rich hit, the first big

22:04

and rich video, Save a Horse,

22:06

Ride a Cowboy. He's another

22:08

Indiana guy and he claims that he

22:10

was in contact with Christine because Christine

22:12

got a hold of him and said

22:14

like, hey, I'm having troubles

22:17

with raising a little person. I'm having

22:19

the issues. I'm having challenges. Like maybe

22:21

I can ask you for your

22:24

advice. And as time

22:26

went on, you know, Christine

22:29

is very fond

22:31

of sending sexually explicit

22:33

images of herself to people. Yes. Very

22:36

fond of that. She started to try to seduce

22:38

him. Yeah. So she started

22:40

sending these sexually explicit images to Freddie Gill. And

22:43

then she started saying, I think

22:46

that Natalia is sleeping with one

22:48

of the neighbors. She's an

22:50

adult. I think she's sleeping with one

22:53

of the neighbors. She said, like, I think that

22:55

Michael is sleeping with Natalia. And

22:57

then this woman, Christine, knowing

22:59

full well that this is a child,

23:02

tried setting up

23:04

Natalia with Freddie Gill. Yeah.

23:07

And even started taking pictures like putting

23:09

Natalia in full adult makeup to make

23:11

her look older. Yeah. Taking

23:13

pictures and asking Freddie, it's like, so do you want

23:15

to, do you think maybe you'd want to like spend

23:18

the night with Natalia? Like there's

23:20

so much weird shit.

23:22

Yeah. And that's just what

23:24

we know about. This is what we know about

23:26

because Christine Barnett obviously has refused to talk about

23:28

this with anybody. She has not gone on the

23:31

record because probably a smart thing. Yeah. For

23:34

her. Yeah. But so this starts, she's trying

23:36

to ramp this up. Natalia is

23:39

obviously in a lot of pain. Now coming out,

23:41

we keep saying we know for a fact that

23:44

she's a child and how we know for a fact

23:46

that she's a child and then in season

23:48

two of this documentary series, they released that

23:50

they had went and they had taken her

23:52

to a dentist To go like,

23:54

cause they're trying to figure out how to age her

23:57

for a while. Like There was a discrepancy about how

23:59

old she was. Because they did there was like.

24:02

For that it according to them the the

24:04

Barnett's because again it comes out of their

24:06

mouth you really can't trust unfortunately But they

24:08

basically said the all you know the paperwork

24:10

was inconclusive. I'm like this one this one

24:12

said a different year and this other ones

24:14

at a different here I and so they

24:16

went six ever get older face not now

24:18

when you look at it. This

24:21

is probably back comparison. But. We.

24:23

Adopted. Windy. When

24:25

he came that we were told that Wendy

24:28

was for. Yeah right, But.

24:30

Then you realize new look back on pictures of

24:32

Monday. She obviously was younger. Because. Their score

24:34

in size. Or interface group. Nights.

24:37

And. Talia. Very. Much not.

24:40

An adult when you look at her

24:42

as and when they had her worried

24:44

it all the pit and that's the

24:46

thing That's why the fuck and documentary

24:48

is so shitty cause the documentary purposefully

24:50

chooses pictures in the lead out you

24:52

know in the first season from later

24:54

on from later on and they personally

24:56

choose like pictures videos that in which

24:58

you could be like okay I could

25:00

I could see that director guy is

25:03

usually I can see the and fusion

25:05

there I can see why somebody would

25:07

be you know eb of questioning that's

25:09

but then there's just. One, there's one

25:11

picture elected speaking to enter his point.

25:13

There is one picture in particular in

25:15

which he is smiling and her mouth

25:17

is full of baby teeth for certain.

25:19

So a certain obviously baby like she's

25:21

missing a couple of the field is

25:23

always there. Baby teeth may go to

25:25

the dentist. The debt is like. Yeah.

25:28

This is a to I would say she's nine

25:30

years old. Yes they believe that she was age

25:32

or somewhere between eight nine they looked at they

25:34

they literally just looked at the fact that she

25:36

a baby teeth still communists and that and there's

25:39

the proof that it's technically a guy did x

25:41

ray be documentary series could have just and it's

25:43

no. Big

25:45

deal with your we know for a fact that

25:47

they knew that she was child and they didn't

25:50

do anything about it. But then they continued. To.

25:52

Go ahead and to this is. Your.

25:54

i feel like us also one of

25:57

the most interesting parts of this case

26:00

Is that we talk about all the time about magical thinking.

26:02

And like the power of words, and

26:05

like all this kind of things, what happens in perception. Think

26:08

about how magical it is. That you

26:10

could go into a room, and a

26:12

man and a cloak, right? With

26:14

a big ol' scary book and a quill.

26:17

Can look at you and go like, Ah,

26:19

you say you're nine? Not anymore! You're 22!

26:22

And legally, you

26:24

are. And now, you are this fucking,

26:26

you are this age forever.

26:29

And they can't seem to undo

26:31

it. The re-aging was like, that's

26:33

like the, kind of like

26:35

this weird crazy sort of like, very unique

26:37

crime. Well here's what happened with that. Well

26:40

here's what happened with that. Is

26:42

the Barnett's, they keep going to

26:44

doctor after doctor until they finally

26:46

find one that says like, Oh

26:49

yeah, yeah, this is probably an adult. Yeah,

26:51

because they said that they tried to blame it

26:53

on the pubic hair. Yeah. They said that she

26:55

had pubic hair too young. Yeah, well that was

26:57

the thing, that was the story that they told.

27:00

Was that when they adopted her in Florida, they

27:02

went out for a day at Disney World. You

27:04

know, the whole family went out for a day

27:06

at Disney World, and they took

27:08

Natalia back to the hotel with the

27:11

whole family. What's our sports most likely?

27:13

Yeah, probably. That's a good one for

27:15

the kids, young athletes. They took Natalia

27:17

and the whole family back to the

27:19

hotel room. You know, Christine like

27:21

undresses her to give her a bath, as you would for a

27:23

six year old kid. And Michael,

27:26

Michael hears a scream from

27:28

the bathroom and Christine

27:31

says, get in here. And as

27:33

Michael puts it, I went into the room

27:36

and I went to the room and

27:38

I looked out and I saw that

27:40

she had pubic hair. There was first

27:43

person pubic hair. This is the motion.

27:45

It's the, I knew. I've

27:48

been working on my Michael. I've been trying to

27:50

figure out how to play Michael. He's a difficult,

27:52

he's such a, he's a very distinctive. It's so

27:54

hard without you seeing me because it's all the,

27:56

like the hit and smash in his face, him

27:59

like rolling and. and

28:01

then being like, no, no, no,

28:03

no. I tried, I

28:05

tried, I tried. Yeah, he's a

28:08

coward who was also a bad

28:10

man. Yeah, no, no, he's an

28:12

absolute coward because he claims that

28:14

in all of this, he is

28:16

victim to. He claims that he

28:18

was fully passive and

28:21

fully submissive and that he was under

28:23

the spell of Christine just like everybody

28:25

else in the family was and he

28:27

could never break free from Christine. Well,

28:29

he ramped, he closed up

28:32

his story from the first time

28:34

he was talking, the first interview he did, he'd

28:36

said everything. Yeah. He said all

28:38

of the stuff that he was directly involved in

28:40

and it wasn't until later, probably after season one

28:42

came in and someone probably sent him a cease

28:44

and desist from Christine and he probably

28:47

had to stop talking. We kept calling her

28:49

evil in the second season. I mean, she

28:51

is. Well, that's his very dramatic nickname for

28:53

her. He's like, I don't call her Christine.

28:55

Her name is not Christine. I call her

28:58

evil. Her name is evil. And

29:00

when evil tells you something, evil

29:03

is going to get something. I

29:05

discovered an interesting little anecdote about

29:07

Christine and Michael. I discovered it

29:09

on Reddit. I wanted the Natalia

29:12

Gray subreddit where the people are

29:14

very passionate. But there

29:16

was one person who claimed that they

29:18

worked for Christine at her daycare because

29:22

Christine actually did run a daycare out of her

29:24

house for many years. And

29:26

this person claimed that this

29:29

daycare was also somewhat abusive

29:31

and it was very bizarre.

29:34

This person claimed that Christine's

29:36

style of childcare is that

29:39

they would take toddlers, zip

29:42

them up into like these little sleeping

29:44

bags, these little cocoons and put them

29:46

in high chairs. This person

29:48

called it baby jail. And basically these kids

29:50

would just sit there in these little cocoons

29:53

for hours on end and they

29:55

would go right up until 5 p.m. when the parents would

29:57

come to pick them up, then they would unzip the children,

30:00

out and then the parents would be none

30:02

the wiser. And what

30:04

she said about Michael, this person who worked for

30:06

the daycare, is that Michael would basically

30:08

go up to his room. He'd kind of have

30:11

his room and he'd only come out every once

30:13

in a while to get some food.

30:16

He would barely talk to Christine. Anytime he talked

30:18

to Christine, it would be to complain about something.

30:21

And then he'd think he'd look very disheveled

30:23

all the time and that he would just

30:25

hide from Christine basically all day long. But

30:27

it makes sense. But again, it tracks. I

30:30

think that he was abused in the scenario,

30:32

but he has a lot of... He

30:35

was a part of it entirely. For sure.

30:37

For sure. He was number

30:39

two. God, he admits that he saw her beat him.

30:41

Yes. Three times. Multiple

30:44

times. Yeah. Also, did

30:46

he ever have a job? I kept trying to clock

30:48

that. What was his

30:50

employment situation? Fun guy. Yeah,

30:53

I don't think he was ever at any

30:55

point held down a job. He had a

30:57

job. I can't remember what it

30:59

was. Here we go. What did Natalia Grace's

31:01

firm do for a living based on Michael Barnett's career?

31:04

This is actually interesting. I think he was a real

31:06

estate guy. Retail jobs.

31:08

He was a team leader role to

31:10

district manager roles for comedies such as

31:12

Circuit City and T-Mobile. He is absolutely

31:15

a Circuit City manager. Yes. He is...

31:18

Oh, wow. We know how good they did. Wow.

31:21

That just came all the way back.

31:23

He is definitely a manager of a

31:25

retail company. He works as

31:27

district director of operations for a financial company in Indiana.

31:29

So I don't know what that is. He

31:33

does staffing and stuff. But yes,

31:35

I could totally see him be a manager.

31:38

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back to the re-aging thing so they find a

32:41

doctor that is able to

32:43

say is willing to say like this is

32:45

yes I believe that this is an adult

32:47

and so they go to this judge and

32:49

this is what so is a judge named

32:52

Gerald Zor and this

33:00

judge didn't see Natalia

33:03

didn't bring Natalia in he didn't meet

33:05

anyone he didn't even meet the Barnett's

33:07

they never even stepped in the court

33:09

they did the Barnett's didn't take an

33:11

oath to tell the truth the Barnett's

33:13

just submitted a petition with

33:15

this doctor's note saying like this is

33:18

an adult and the judge said okay

33:20

and just reaged her from 18 8 to 22 and

33:23

if you want to if you

33:25

want to ask the question to so

33:27

many things in this fucking case when

33:29

you ask like how did this happen

33:31

the answer is always Indiana yeah this

33:33

state almost fucking murdered me it is

33:36

really weird man bad it's as far

33:38

as the government goes in Indiana it's

33:41

fucking god-awful well this is

33:43

just a you know you obviously

33:45

there are tons of different

33:47

people within these governmental systems people that

33:50

are better and worse at their jobs

33:52

this is just such an example of

33:55

I feel like the

33:57

only way I really put it it feels like some

33:59

kind of of negligent

34:01

laziness. Yes. Where

34:03

no one really looked into this case. This

34:06

all came about, I don't really know

34:08

how they got to change somebody's age without their

34:10

consent, unless they got her to sign the form.

34:13

Maybe there's something in there. I don't know

34:16

how that fucking works. But if you're an

34:18

eight year old, you can't sign paperwork. But

34:20

that's what they did. That's what they did.

34:22

They basically got her to admit somebody, they

34:25

fucked her up. It really does seem

34:27

like- You could convince a child to say anything.

34:29

And now when she's legally an adult, they

34:31

could do anything they want to her.

34:34

Yeah, after she's 22. I mean, really does

34:36

seem like the judge, like the paperwork came

34:38

across his desk, he read through to you

34:40

and- That's weird. Yeah, crazy. And then

34:42

just signed it and handed it off. And so all of a

34:44

sudden, with the stroke

34:46

of a pen, her birth date changed from

34:48

2003 to And

34:52

if that's not magic, I don't know

34:54

what is. Like legitimately. Like this idea

34:56

of now, we all

34:58

have collectively agreed that you're

35:00

an adult now. Perception. I

35:03

mean, yeah. So now the perception is, like

35:05

this person does, like suddenly like this nine

35:07

year old could go in and buy a case

35:09

of beer. Yeah. Fucking cool ass

35:11

nine year old. But it's

35:14

difficult because she can vote. All

35:16

this shit. Like instantly. So now,

35:18

they don't know what to do with Natalia Grace. So now

35:20

they got her, they have won in this aspect, because this

35:22

is Christine Barnett wanted because they've been trying to get her

35:25

out. They couldn't figure out a way to do it without

35:27

them being on the hook. Because Christine

35:29

Barnett did not want things to come back to

35:31

her for getting rid of this child,

35:33

even though like it would have been an entire-

35:35

Magic mom. It would

35:38

have been utterly understandable. And

35:40

actually, probably more people would have applauded

35:42

you if you had come out and

35:44

been like, this is actually past my

35:46

abilities. I'm going to admit that we want

35:48

to put her in a place where she could be taken care

35:50

of and watch over people who know

35:53

what they're doing. You would have been a fucking hero.

35:55

Yeah. She decided that she thought that people

35:57

would then think that she, I guess, think that she was bad at it.

35:59

Well, they would- I was saying,

36:01

it's speculated that she was afraid that people

36:03

would think she was a bad person by

36:05

saying that I can't take care of it

36:07

because she doesn't have what it takes. And

36:10

yeah, it would be a black mark on her

36:12

record. It would basically be just make her reputation,

36:15

her Q score lower. And

36:17

then now, but now that they have

36:20

reaged her, they can kind of do whatever they

36:22

want. So they move her to

36:24

an apartment. They literally just drop her off

36:26

at a place in an extremely bad neighborhood

36:28

in the state of Indiana where it's like

36:30

you're just basically watching a child who has

36:32

to kind of figure it out. And

36:35

the one thing I'll say about Natalia Grace,

36:37

and Natalia Grace, I'll say something, man, she

36:39

fucking bowed up. Yeah. She like,

36:42

the fact that she figured out how

36:44

to make it, like literally

36:46

how to survive is

36:48

crazy. It is. But the

36:50

first neighborhood wasn't that bad. It's all bad. It's

36:52

not good. It wasn't beautiful. It wasn't beautiful, but

36:54

it wasn't. The first neighborhood wasn't all that bad.

36:57

It was like one of those apartment complexes where

36:59

it's a bunch of like single

37:01

story apartments, you know, maybe like four

37:03

or five people living there. And so

37:05

she's nine years old. She's just dropped

37:07

into an apartment. And so she

37:09

just starts going to other people's houses and just

37:11

knocking on doors saying, hey, can I come in?

37:13

Can I have food? Can we hang

37:16

out? Like, can I need stuff? And she's been,

37:18

and as you said, Eddie, like, you know, a kid will say, do

37:20

whatever you tell him to do. She's been

37:22

told over and over and over and over again

37:24

by Christine, you're 22. You're 22. You're

37:27

a 22 as well. Yeah. She's also

37:29

been telling her, you're 22. You're 22. This is

37:31

how a 22 year old acts. This is what a 22

37:33

year old says. This is what you say when you're asked

37:36

these questions. She coached her. No, she was absolutely coached. Yes.

37:38

And so she starts just walking into people's

37:41

houses. But it's interesting because now you're

37:43

legally an adult. So up to this point,

37:45

she has been kind of accused of doing

37:47

these kind of like fucked up

37:50

kid things. Yeah. Accused of

37:52

fucking with the neighbors, kids, accused of fucking

37:54

with her brother, her step brothers, accused of

37:56

attacking people at school. And that's one thing

37:58

when you're a kid. you're quote

38:00

unquote an adult. So everything that you do

38:02

now has to be looked at like you're

38:04

an adult. She was playing with a local

38:06

kid. People came and saw her roll around

38:08

the grass with this local other kid. They've

38:10

been told that all of the people that

38:13

have met Natalia Grace have been told that

38:15

that's a 22 year old woman.

38:17

That it just looks like a little kid.

38:19

So you watch them, these two kids playing

38:21

together like in a field. Yeah. What would

38:23

you do if a strange 22 year old

38:25

person that looked like a kid that wasn't

38:27

a kid but was like playing kind of

38:29

not intimately but literally like tickling and rolling

38:31

around with another kid that age. Well something that

38:33

would be inappropriate for a 22 year old person

38:35

to do. Yes. Yeah. There's one thing they said

38:37

she was unbuckling his pants. Yeah. She's doing because

38:40

now again it's coming from the view of being

38:42

all reviewing this as a 22 year old doing

38:44

these things. Where it's like no it was a

38:46

fellow nine year old that was doing stuff that

38:49

was just literally like playing with another

38:51

child and trying to fuck dudes or having some

38:53

kind of social network. Well I mean not only

38:55

that but you know the unbuckling of the pants

38:57

all this points towards the child being sexually abused.

38:59

Because she also made- If that's even real. If

39:02

that's even real but I don't know I mean

39:05

she made a lot she made a lot of

39:07

sexually inappropriate comments to her neighbors. A lot of

39:09

sexually inappropriate jokes. She did spend a

39:11

brief period in what

39:14

they called a stress center. Which was it was

39:16

a fucking asylum. Yeah it was an interest they

39:18

showed of it. It did not look friendly. Looks

39:20

terrifying. It looked like a gutter island. Yeah. Yeah

39:22

it did. Yeah but it was also said that

39:24

she was you know approaching

39:26

sexual appropriateness with some of the other

39:28

patients. And then she was taken out

39:30

of that center because of that. But

39:32

that's the thing is that's what that's

39:35

the behavior exactly the behavior

39:37

that abused kids exhibit. A

39:39

lot of abused kids exhibit

39:41

they call it precocious sexuality.

39:44

And it's almost proof

39:46

that at some point either before she

39:48

came to the bar nets or while

39:51

she was with the bar nets. She

39:53

experienced some sort of sexual abuse at

39:55

some point in her life. Almost certainly.

39:57

This is frown time. All of this

39:59

is frowny. Yeah, it's a very and

40:01

it's even frownier for the fucking documentary filmmakers to

40:03

exploit all of that for six episodes Yes,

40:05

I have some questions about the Asan asylum that

40:07

just don't add up for me No, there's as

40:10

far as the documentary. Oh, you know, there's a

40:12

lot of they left a lot of gaps

40:14

Yeah, they left a lot of gaps They were

40:16

in and out of that shit in the first

40:18

season and then don't mention it in the

40:20

second Yeah, cuz like first of all all the

40:23

phone calls from the nurses and shit None

40:26

of those people left their name. They're just

40:28

random phone calls They could have been literally

40:30

anybody that they're talking to and we have

40:32

to take their word for it That they're

40:34

actually talking to the nurses that work there

40:36

But I know that no nurse from like

40:39

a fucking nursing home would even talk like

40:41

that No, you know, it's the who the

40:43

fuck are these people? Yeah, it doesn't it

40:46

doesn't add up No, it doesn't

40:48

add up at all. It's so it may even be that

40:50

all that was bullshit. Who knows who knows? In

40:53

this story because you can't even trust the

40:55

filmmakers in this fucking thing Everybody's all over

40:57

the place and everybody's got a fucking agenda

40:59

Natalia grace is just really just trying to

41:01

tell her story But also I think that

41:03

her memory is kind of jacked up because

41:05

of all the things that happen to her

41:07

I also think that she's been through a

41:09

fucking lot I think that there's a

41:11

life and it was traumatized deeply as

41:13

a kid and now you've got Michael

41:15

Barnett who is a legitimate I Don't

41:18

know what you'd call him, you know,

41:20

like he's a narcissist Yeah, and I

41:22

would not let him fucking watch Wendy

41:24

or Carmen never mind have adult children,

41:26

you know, maybe a lot of the

41:28

drives Yeah, he's a fucking creeps man.

41:30

Then he can Christine Barnett is an

41:32

actual fucking little literal monster. Yeah Yeah,

41:34

she found the perfect Patsy, which is

41:36

Michael I feel like or develop them.

41:39

Yes developed him Yeah, and then abandoned

41:41

him because after she

41:43

was at the Apartment

41:45

for I think it was a year. Yeah,

41:48

she was in a while It was

41:50

a quite a long time in this apartment

41:52

by herself in a fairly

41:54

nice neighborhood You know and she would go across

41:56

the street to another to this other family who were

41:58

like these two nice people that you

42:00

know we're just like she was a problem because

42:03

she was around all the time and they thought

42:05

that this is like oh there's a 22 year

42:07

old person who has no sense of boundaries whatsoever

42:09

and that's what most people thought about her is

42:11

like oh this is just a person who has

42:14

no sense of boundaries yeah not knowing that they're

42:16

dealing with a nine-year-old who's lonely yes and that's

42:18

really cuz they everyone thought it was quote unquote

42:20

creepy and this is where the creepy thing

42:23

comes from which is this idea of like

42:25

oh you know she did all this fucked

42:27

up stuff oh she's an evil orphan and

42:29

it's like no she was just fucking not

42:31

22 she was a child and also was

42:33

fed this stuff that she was an orphan

42:36

fed that she was an evil 22 year

42:38

old fed like she was told this so

42:40

you get it it's easy

42:42

to program a child not just that

42:44

like I think it's important to remember

42:46

that she is in constant

42:49

agonizing pain yeah you know

42:51

like and who knows like what medication

42:53

she's on to make her think a certain

42:55

way oh yeah I don't think

42:57

she was given any medication you don't see what

42:59

she wasn't taking care of like she wasn't taking

43:02

care they did the absolute daily ever one surgery

43:04

yeah right and she was got a dozen of

43:06

them yeah and then yeah and then she fucking

43:08

was sitting there and she couldn't move

43:11

properly she couldn't walk yeah she's feet were

43:13

facing out yeah and she still is all

43:15

fucked up obviously she didn't even have the

43:17

right but shoes yeah you know walk around

43:19

she needed a walker she's special you walk

43:21

man when they showed the steps you had

43:23

to go up in order to get into

43:26

that high school get into the apartment well

43:28

that's the second apartment yeah the first apartment

43:30

that she was in after you know I

43:32

think after the lease was up they were

43:34

like we can't have her around

43:36

anymore she's made sexually inappropriate comments and

43:39

also the incident with the little boy

43:41

they're like yeah we we can't have

43:43

her around anymore she can't live here

43:46

anymore so what they did is they

43:48

found another apartment and they found another

43:50

apartment further away yes like they took

43:52

her to the town of Lafayette which

43:55

was like an hour's drive from where

43:57

Christine and Michael actually lived and

43:59

they took her to Lafayette and this

44:01

was in Christine's words, they said she

44:03

said it's a white trash town, no

44:06

one's gonna care. Like we'll just we can

44:08

just put her somewhere and no one's gonna

44:10

give a shit about it. She was literally

44:13

left there to die. She had seen shit

44:15

like this before. You're giving no money, you're

44:17

putting the house in the north with no

44:19

electricity. It is to kill you. No phone,

44:21

they wiped her contact list clean on her

44:23

phone. Yes. They put her in a bad

44:25

neighborhood on food stamps to survive a nine-year-old.

44:28

They thought that she was gonna get murdered.

44:30

Yeah, it's true. Or starve to death. Truly fucked.

44:32

Or fall down the stairs. I think they were

44:34

counting on falling down the stairs because even in

44:36

order to get to the apartment building, it was

44:38

like kind of a cracker

44:40

box, you know, a top on top duplex. She

44:44

had to walk up these huge, steep

44:47

cement stairs just to get to the

44:49

building and then she had to go

44:51

to the second floor, you know, and

44:54

how's she gonna carry groceries up there?

44:56

I think they were counting on

44:59

her falling down the stairs and dying. Yeah.

45:01

That's what they were counting on. And then they

45:03

moved to Canada. Well, Christine Barnett moved to Canada.

45:05

Yeah. Because they found out Michael could not go

45:07

as well, which seemed to be a part of

45:09

her plan as well. Her

45:12

plan was to abandon Michael back

45:14

in or the plan was to

45:16

keep Michael in America to go

45:18

away, leave his without divorcing him.

45:20

Eventually they did get divorced. Oh

45:22

yes. Christine and Jacob and the

45:25

other two kids went to Canada

45:27

because Jacob had gotten into this

45:29

special school where, you

45:31

know, the school for geniuses, so on and

45:33

so forth. And that's the other thing too,

45:35

is that this entire time, like Jacob was

45:37

being forced to participate in the

45:39

abuse of Natalia. Oh, yeah. He absolutely was.

45:41

I mean, because one of the things we

45:44

didn't really talk about, because long before she

45:46

was sent to the apartment, it was two

45:48

years of intense

45:50

physical abuse on

45:52

the part of Christine Barnett, just beating

45:54

her and enforcing Jacob

45:57

to do weird shit like she would

45:59

bring in. Jacob who was a you

46:01

know a young like not necessarily prepubescent, but

46:03

young teenager I think would bring him in

46:05

to the Talia's room say pee on her

46:07

bed P on her bed She was bad

46:10

pee on her bed and would make him pee on the bed

46:12

when he's like I don't want to do this I don't want

46:14

to do this. Yeah, and Then there's

46:16

of course the hot mic moment in the

46:18

middle of the fucking documentary series They basically

46:20

have the kid confessed to pushing him down

46:22

the stairs or the Michael kind of says

46:25

something with him well it they

46:27

are they've just finished an interview

46:29

and They get and

46:32

Michael and Jacob the son like next

46:34

to tears during the entire interview to

46:36

the entire interview. Yeah Yeah, he's haunted

46:38

by this absolutely a horrible little basement

46:40

and fucking it's just like it looks

46:42

like there's molds on the wall Yeah,

46:44

it is like he's in a horrible

46:46

situation. It's like math problems written on

46:48

white boards everywhere Yeah, it is like

46:50

a weird living situation. Yeah,

46:52

it looks like what's the name from

46:55

beautiful mind down there? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

46:57

but he goes upstairs with Michael and

46:59

the interview is supposedly over but

47:01

Jacob still has his microphone on He's on

47:03

a hot mic. They set his ass up

47:05

in my opinion Yeah from what it looks

47:07

like to me they saw the jinx yeah,

47:09

and they're like okay We're gonna keep if

47:11

I would believe them if they weren't filming

47:13

him Yeah, yeah, we're so they were so

47:15

cuz he was up at the top of

47:17

the stairs with the hot mic They're like

47:19

hold point the camera at the stairs if

47:21

the camera wasn't pointing at the stairs And

47:23

it was just a hot mic situation. I

47:25

would almost think about maybe giving them a

47:27

pass, but it's not They knew what they

47:29

were doing they knew that both of them

47:31

aren't bright Michael and Jacob I mean Jacob's

47:34

a genius of a genius, but not so

47:36

sure. Yeah No, no,

47:38

it's so it's fucking he

47:40

like realizes at the moment He says it and he

47:42

like you see if he rips it out of his

47:44

shirt. He's like distraught. I'm sure the kids fucking Horrified

47:47

yeah, I feel so bad for him Well what he

47:49

said is that you know he's like well We said

47:51

that we weren't gonna talk about the thing and like

47:53

oh yeah the stairs thing push down the stairs like

47:55

yeah I told them I wasn't gonna I wasn't gonna

47:57

talk about that. He's like cuz I don't want to

47:59

know, get a subpoena or anything. Well, you

48:02

were a minor at the time. And

48:04

then Jake goes like, oh no, my

48:06

mic's on. Oh God, oh no. Because

48:08

what, I mean, you can extrapolate from

48:10

that is that Christine, at one point,

48:12

forced Jacob to push Natalia down the

48:14

stairs. And there's a lot of evidence

48:16

of Christine Barnett doing this. She forced

48:18

Natalia to go on camera often and

48:20

confess two crimes, quote unquote,

48:22

things that she's done. The poisoning, putting

48:24

the, oh, poor, cleaner

48:26

in the coffee. She made her say

48:28

that she did a lot of

48:31

stuff. She put her on camera because Christine

48:33

Barnett is evil. And

48:35

she did the thing

48:38

where she tried to set all this

48:40

up, which is like, because it's wild.

48:43

It's like truly like, it's

48:45

deception with a club when she

48:47

was doing it on purpose. She was

48:49

interrogating her own adopted child seems like

48:52

hourly. Yeah. You know, it was insane.

48:54

Yeah. I mean, she would get

48:56

her on camera and say

48:58

like, admit that you have periods. Admit that

49:00

you have periods. Tell me that you have

49:02

periods. The Evan Minsles and then eventually go,

49:04

I have periods. Like it was, it's fucking

49:06

horrifying to watch. But yeah, that's what they

49:08

would say is like they would, that she

49:11

would, was menstruating, you know, and

49:13

she had pubic hair. And that's why that they

49:15

knew that she was an adult when the

49:17

whole time they had, they

49:19

had every knowledge that she would, they would, multiple

49:21

doctors and dentists proved that she was a child.

49:24

So they move her out to

49:26

this apartment that's essentially death trap

49:29

for someone like her. And

49:31

after it seems like, you know, the timeline

49:34

is a little fuzzy here, but it seems

49:36

like after a couple of weeks, this other

49:38

family who lives in the neighborhood, the man,

49:41

notice her and immediately talk to

49:43

her and immediately say like, Oh, this is

49:45

a kid because the man's adopt a lot

49:48

of kids. Yeah. They have five kids of

49:50

their own. Well, I believe they're a part of

49:52

the quiverful movement. Are they? I believe they are

49:54

part of it. What does that mean? Well, just

49:56

the idea of they are a Christian group that

50:00

man they love to come. It's about

50:02

having as many children as humanly

50:04

possible. It's having arrows in the

50:06

gut, filling your quiver with arrows.

50:08

Yeah. It's creating your own

50:10

society. Yeah, creating your own society. It's

50:12

like one of those like subtly violent

50:14

things where it's saying

50:17

like we need a Christian army, so breed

50:20

your own army and have as many children

50:22

as you possibly can. And

50:24

so the man's, they're- Satan should

50:26

try it. He's got

50:29

enough to deal with. So

50:33

their name is Cynthia and Antoine

50:35

Mans. They're an interesting couple. And

50:37

Cynthia does seem like

50:39

a genuinely caring person. She

50:41

does. She does seem like

50:43

a very genuine person that she truly loves

50:45

kids, truly cares about kids. Antoine,

50:48

I'm not quite so sure about. I don't

50:50

like him. He's, I don't like him either,

50:53

but he's a pastor of some kind. I

50:55

don't know what denomination. I feel like he

50:57

made up his own denomination. He sounds, it's

50:59

interesting because he's present for all of

51:01

these interviews inside of the documentary

51:04

series. And the second

51:06

season, he's present for all the interviews. Well,

51:08

not the last one. Not the very last

51:10

one, exactly. Yeah, probably because Michael wouldn't show

51:12

up without him. I wouldn't show up, motherfucker.

51:14

He says one curse word and he starts

51:16

screaming about God while they're trying to interview

51:19

him? I mean, that whole thing was a,

51:21

it all feels very reality television. It's

51:23

very reality television. The second season, you

51:26

can tell that they are turning the

51:28

Natalia Gray story into a reality TV

51:30

show. Yes. And that's where you're like, that's

51:33

what I get in my world where I'm like, so

51:35

this is HBO? No, it's what HBO,

51:37

no, but it's not. It's ID, but it's

51:39

on the HBO fucking app. Ah, no, it's

51:42

on Max. Max is not HBO. My friend. Discovery

51:44

has ruined HBO. I don't need to get into that now. Look at this

51:47

fucking shit where it's like, I am, because I forget. But

51:49

that really is like, talk about like, if

51:52

you want to like, that's a media thing when you

51:54

start to watch this stuff. And I was like, I

51:56

can't fucking believe that HBO would make something

51:59

like this. to remember they're not making

52:01

something like this. Yeah. ID

52:03

is making this. Yeah. So you have to...

52:06

I was thrown off by the bleeps. Yeah. I

52:08

was like, I said I was watching HBO. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where's

52:10

the... I want to see that pubic

52:12

hair. Yeah. You know, like you... I didn't realize

52:14

that it was ID until I think like the

52:16

second season. Yeah. But it wasn't until

52:18

like the whole time I'm thinking it's HBO, which is, you know,

52:20

kind of fucked up because it lends the whole thing like... Gravity.

52:24

...of legitimacy. Yeah. Yeah.

52:27

Yeah. So the

52:29

man's like take Natalia in. They're like, okay, you're

52:31

getting out of that fucking apartment. We take you

52:34

in. And they say that she's lived with them

52:36

for like 10 years. They say she's a loving,

52:38

happy person. Yeah. No problems. They,

52:40

you know, they adopt a lot of kids. She's

52:42

always very good with all the other kids. Like,

52:44

I mean, they say that, yes, she has her

52:46

problems, but she was an abused child, a neglected

52:48

child. Yeah. Of course she has fucking

52:50

problems. Yeah, she's all jacked up. Yeah. Yeah.

52:53

She can't really read. She can't really write. Or she couldn't

52:55

at the time when they found... She

52:58

had no form, almost no formal education. No,

53:00

whatsoever. But she speaks well. Yeah.

53:03

She, because again, she had to. Yeah. Yeah.

53:06

Yeah. She had to.

53:08

Yeah. She had to figure it out.

53:10

But at the, I mean, and I, not, this isn't necessarily a

53:12

spoiler, but you know, at the end of season two, you know,

53:15

you get a cut, like, and this

53:17

is just more of the exploitative bullshit.

53:20

Yes. The end of season two,

53:22

like they, they end season two with, you know,

53:24

the, the man to finally adopted Natalia. Even though

53:26

she's an adult. Which

53:28

you can do, you know, you can adopt, you can

53:31

adopt adults. But you

53:33

know, they, they adopt Natalia and they, they make

53:35

it out to this very beautiful scene. You

53:37

think this is how it's going to end. And then

53:40

there's the twist. Yes. At

53:42

the very end. There's a little clip

53:44

of the man's talking about how they're

53:46

done with Natalia Grace. She, what they

53:49

say, she's, she's tweaked. I've got, I've

53:51

got the exact quote here as they

53:53

end it. You know, the adoption ends

53:56

and then you hear the boom. It's

53:59

been like two weeks. Six months after

54:01

that. And then it says, you know,

54:03

two weeks after filming ended, producers received

54:05

a call from the man's. And

54:08

the call, when they played the call, it

54:10

was Antoine said, something ain't right with Natalia.

54:12

This girl is tweaking. I

54:15

feel like she's the enemy in the house. And

54:17

she said to us, we have

54:19

held her hostage, made us look like we're

54:21

the enemy. She's done other things

54:23

too, but this was a new low. Natalia does

54:25

not have emotions for nothing but herself. We're

54:28

done. We're done with her.

54:30

My feeling is the nature of it is

54:32

the nature of the call is fairly staid.

54:34

Very performative. It's very performative. And I think

54:37

we are watching and obviously

54:39

feeding into it a little bit, just being

54:41

in our interest. Yeah. Watching

54:43

it, talking, this is creating a

54:45

third season of a reality television show. I have

54:48

no idea how far Natalia Grace is involved with

54:50

this. We know that she is, she is profiting

54:52

off the show, which she as she should. Yeah.

54:55

Right. She make money. Yeah.

54:58

Yeah. And they're not paying them anything. Or

55:00

they might, he might have a day right, but. I

55:02

bet they pay him. They have to pay him, right?

55:04

Yeah. Yeah. I

55:06

bet they pay him. I

55:08

couldn't find shit. Yeah. I know

55:10

that she's getting paid because now I guess the man's, a

55:12

part of what that was referring to the statement is about,

55:14

they felt that the money from the show wasn't split with

55:17

them. Where did you find that out?

55:19

Like another forum again. It's like another reading on reading. Yeah.

55:22

Yeah. Let's just make sure like that's a

55:24

forum. That's probably speculation. Yeah. Yeah. It's

55:27

all speculation. It's like, none of this is credible. No. Well,

55:30

this is what's hard. Is that

55:32

like, this is why a lot of times

55:34

we cover stories that have been through like

55:36

nine other vetting processes so that when we

55:38

get to it, we add the dubious. You

55:40

know what I mean? We add the dubious.

55:43

We add all this stuff. Yeah. We're

55:45

like stuff like this is it's so hard because number

55:47

one, it's very emotional. Yeah. It's extremely emotional. People get

55:49

tied up. We talk about the passion behind this. And

55:52

two, it's like, we don't

55:54

really know What happened at

55:56

the very center of the story. The Things that

55:58

we do know. Is the fact

56:00

that she was a little girl when she was adopted?

56:03

And should have been treated as such. That

56:05

is like your heart of this entire story

56:07

is that none of this would have been

56:09

have. None of this would have happened if

56:11

she was just treated like a child's instead

56:13

of having somebody do. Truly.

56:16

One of the you could a leicester

56:18

at a fire station and it would

56:20

have been less yeah talking devious than

56:22

what Christine Barnett said, you know, and

56:24

like even if she was. Even

56:27

a village and Italia was a little evil

56:29

or whatever. As like an eight year old,

56:31

it's an eight year old. It's a year

56:33

old. Do fuckin' evil said sometimes and they

56:36

grow up and they wish they never did

56:38

Today without a survivor Ukrainian orphanage where they

56:40

scare them to see what. My.

56:46

Family was a constant pain cheesy good

56:48

and surgery after surgery he to her

56:50

hands so work yeah that was the

56:52

other do for you know would still

56:54

be manly fuck include me are watching.

56:57

It last night and and who you like. The

56:59

seal. The stuff about her hurt people

57:01

like holding Nine. I both a whole

57:04

story of like her trying to pull

57:06

Christine into an electric fence. Animals resists.

57:10

Part of the show was in the

57:12

Kids In And and Cuts to. I'm

57:15

not the was but interesting Michael

57:17

spoken guy. What a piece of

57:19

work! He. Tries to go into

57:21

a Le Bron James like handshakes chain

57:24

with no might not always remember this

57:26

retry select show her the stamps he

57:28

doesn't like you know he's as like

57:30

is like no no yes it is

57:32

ideas and he goes like you know

57:35

like slap gonna click to receptor fingers

57:37

as shit. Know.

57:40

Causing us and you're like or it she

57:42

doesn't have a hamstring was season that herself.

57:44

His hands, I know, parcel you're like. There's.

57:47

That thing that the the beginning of the documentary

57:49

series put the will see them being like always

57:51

she may be a c kind of evil even

57:53

if see you know but then you're like. Know.

57:56

she literally cook she couldn't do it i just watched her

57:58

not be able to do as as She definitely can't

58:00

do anything of physical force using her hands. You

58:02

watched her do that as a 22 year old.

58:05

Yes. And they're saying that all of this

58:07

happened when she was 9. Yes. You know,

58:09

it's like, I mean, they talk about, you know, her

58:11

showing up into the room with a knife. You

58:14

know how you fix that? Oh, fucking baby gate.

58:16

Well, she had a child lock. She was

58:18

like 2 feet tall. There was always that

58:20

point. Even that point, it was like a

58:22

foot and a half, 2 feet tall. And

58:25

she says that herself. She's like, look at

58:27

me. She's like, why are you, you're afraid

58:29

of me? Like, what the fuck? They also

58:31

said that they, they talked about that they

58:33

did diagnose her with reactive attachment disorder, which

58:35

was, it's like this concept of you

58:38

come from a place of no trust. You're

58:41

an orphan. It happens a lot with

58:43

orphans. According to this, it's a reactive detachment

58:45

disorder develops because a child's basic needs for

58:47

comfort and affection and nurturing weren't met. And

58:49

like what that means is that like they

58:51

sometimes act in fucked up ways and they

58:54

do fucked up things. And one

58:56

of those words, like I actually think is

58:58

possible in a way of like, they

59:00

kind of floated. She just kind

59:03

of would hide knives places out

59:05

of the feeling of not being safe. That's

59:07

what I believe out of feeling and not being safe.

59:10

You're doing something, you're hiding stuff just

59:12

for the sake of protecting yourself. Well, how did the

59:14

mom hit him? And just so the dad would find

59:16

him and she would be able to manipulate him. We

59:18

always talk about how adopted kids sometimes, you know, will

59:20

hide food. Yeah. That kind of

59:22

thing. And as far as her being, you know,

59:25

the neglect goes and how badly that can really

59:27

affect somebody. And I know I've

59:29

talked to Henry about this, but have you ever heard

59:31

about the wire monkey story? No. There

59:33

was a study that was done many years ago when

59:36

they were still very cruel to animals where

59:38

they took a baby monkey, they do a

59:40

few baby monkeys and they

59:42

had two mama monkeys that

59:45

they basically crafted. One

59:47

mama monkey was very soft, made

59:49

from like a very plushy substance,

59:52

but you would not, the monkey would

59:55

not get food if they went

59:57

to mama, to soft monkey. The other

59:59

mama monkey was made of wire. It

1:00:02

was cold. But that

1:00:05

monkey, you get food. If you were the baby monkey,

1:00:07

you went to the wire monkey. Inevitably,

1:00:10

every time, invariably, the

1:00:12

monkey would go for the soft monkey.

1:00:14

They would go for the soft monkey

1:00:16

because the comfort to them, to the

1:00:18

baby monkey, was more important than the

1:00:21

food. So, they were

1:00:23

able to extrapolate from that. But

1:00:26

comfort, as far as primates go, that

1:00:29

is essential to

1:00:32

our development of

1:00:34

profit. That is nurture over nature. You must have

1:00:36

comfort. You

1:00:39

must be loved. You must be held. Babies must

1:00:41

be held. Babies must be held. They have to

1:00:43

happen. They have to happen because what it does

1:00:45

is it destroys, if you

1:00:47

don't have it, it destroys an essential

1:00:50

social adaptive nature. It's

1:00:53

just how it is. It fucks you

1:00:55

up. So, they said right here, it's

1:00:57

a common problem for kids that

1:00:59

were, this is from Romanian

1:01:02

orphanages, but it's a common problem for

1:01:04

kids that were from a

1:01:06

lot of Eastern European places. I don't

1:01:08

know why. Why are they bad to orphans? Is there

1:01:10

just a thing that they just are not into? I

1:01:12

feel like there's got to be at least

1:01:15

one good Ukrainian orphanage, right? I

1:01:17

guess so. There's got to be good.

1:01:19

There's got to be one good Russian orphanage, right? Maybe. Good

1:01:22

job. Don't pay shit. You're

1:01:24

kind of getting who you get. And

1:01:27

then it's like the really good people get,

1:01:29

yeah, they run a really good orphanage, but

1:01:31

there's still a lot of extra kids, especially

1:01:33

in places that are war-torn and going through

1:01:35

constant civil war like the Ukraine. When

1:01:38

I was in high school, I

1:01:40

participated in CX debate. What's

1:01:43

funny is that I can't remember the subject at all,

1:01:46

but I remember one of the things

1:01:48

that we argued for was Russian

1:01:50

adoption. We

1:01:53

went through this whole thing. This is like 1999. This

1:01:55

is real sad. I'm reading about Russian

1:01:57

orphanages right now. It ain't. Muppet

1:02:00

babies shouldn't be

1:02:02

there, man. This is not good. But

1:02:04

we went to... But our whole point

1:02:06

was that Russian orphanages are absolutely fucking

1:02:08

awful. Eastern European, like former Soviet block

1:02:11

orphanages are absolutely just, I mean,

1:02:14

places of torture and despair. Which

1:02:17

that's a place... That's where Natalia Grace is

1:02:19

coming from. But things about all this is

1:02:22

that it all begs

1:02:24

the question, why do we know about

1:02:26

this? Like why do we

1:02:28

know that all this happened? That's

1:02:30

because in September of 2019, Michael

1:02:32

and Christine were charged with multiple

1:02:35

counts of neglecting a dependent for

1:02:37

leaving Natalia in the apartment. Someone

1:02:39

noticed. And so they were charged

1:02:42

with eight crimes, like neglect of

1:02:44

a dependent, neglect of a dependent

1:02:46

causing bodily injury. But

1:02:49

at the end of the day, the judge,

1:02:52

again, the judge in this case

1:02:55

did not allow the re-aging

1:02:58

to be brought into evidence.

1:03:02

The prosecution was not allowed in any

1:03:05

way whatsoever to talk about the fact

1:03:07

that this was a nine-year-old that they

1:03:09

dropped off. They just talked about this.

1:03:12

So the entire trial, Michael's trial, Michael

1:03:14

was first, Christine was second, they tried

1:03:16

them separately. The entire trial,

1:03:18

the prosecution had to go only on

1:03:20

the fact that this was a 22-year-old.

1:03:25

And I think the jury took an

1:03:27

hour, maybe two, to come

1:03:29

back with a verdict of not guilty for Michael. Just based

1:03:31

on like, well, it's a 22-year-old. What are you going to

1:03:33

do? What are you going to do about it? Yeah, exactly.

1:03:37

And these fucking judges stick up for each other. You

1:03:39

know, like that's what I think. That's where I'd

1:03:41

take from this. It's like, oh, we don't want

1:03:43

to be shown as like weak-minded and make mistakes.

1:03:45

So they're going to fucking stick up for this

1:03:48

other judge. That's a good point. I think that's

1:03:50

a great point. I think that that is a

1:03:52

massive issue. I think that they're like, this president

1:03:54

has been sent. And if we undo

1:03:57

this, how many other people?

1:04:00

are gonna come to undo this pr- because it's

1:04:03

understanding that we would have to do like,

1:04:05

like how do you put it? That means that someone's like, truly

1:04:08

fucking with the- not

1:04:10

the- I guess the trust the

1:04:13

court puts on you to not lie to

1:04:15

us about re-aging your child but I also

1:04:18

like how many people- I'm gonna look this

1:04:20

up how many people are ye or re-aged?

1:04:22

Like how often does that happen? It doesn't

1:04:24

seem like it's- I mean I think it

1:04:26

happens in adoption cases with Eastern European kids

1:04:29

because often times the age is wrong but

1:04:31

usually it's like a year, two

1:04:34

years, three years it's not fucking

1:04:36

12 Yeah, and to go

1:04:38

back on the judge thing not to get

1:04:40

too political or whatever but we know that

1:04:42

it's either- if it's a state case then

1:04:45

either- Penn's

1:04:47

probably appointed this judge

1:04:49

because it's Indiana and if it's a

1:04:51

federal case, Trump probably appointed this judge

1:04:54

Well I think- 2019 I think these

1:04:56

are probably elected judges I

1:04:59

mean I actually don't exactly know how

1:05:01

Indiana works because

1:05:03

a lot of judges are elected and

1:05:05

I don't know if you know this

1:05:07

but in- I know at least in

1:05:10

Texas like you don't have to have

1:05:12

a law degree to be elected to

1:05:14

judge Whoa! You

1:05:16

can like- and that's like- I'm a judge

1:05:18

now! Like county judges, you know? Like that

1:05:21

You don't have to have a law degree you just have

1:05:23

to say like, hey I want to be a judge and

1:05:25

everyone's like, yeah I think he'd be pretty good at that

1:05:27

Yeah, I like him! Yeah, I like him And so all

1:05:30

of a sudden you've got this guy in there that has

1:05:32

very little knowledge of the law but

1:05:34

he's there and he's making decisions

1:05:37

that affect people's lives But I think it

1:05:39

has- what it probably has more to do

1:05:42

is just, you know this judge doesn't want

1:05:44

to fuck with another judge That's it, like another

1:05:46

judge- like he saw the judge like I

1:05:49

can't really- like maybe he's probably fucking new to the guy

1:05:51

You know, he's like doesn't want to fuck with his job

1:05:53

doesn't want to fuck with a guy and just so I

1:05:55

could let it go and

1:05:57

doesn't allow the re-aging to be entered

1:05:59

So Michael- gets off scott-free

1:06:01

and then after Michael gets

1:06:03

off the prosecution looked at

1:06:06

Christine's case and decided

1:06:09

we can't win this shit it's a

1:06:11

waste of time and the prosecutors aren't gonna

1:06:13

try a case unless they are 99% sure

1:06:16

that they're gonna

1:06:18

win they're not gonna go forward with it yes

1:06:20

and they were to lose something like that would

1:06:22

be a massive public law

1:06:24

two in a row yeah yeah to lose

1:06:27

two in a row and and to also

1:06:29

like spend the time spend the money all

1:06:31

that to try this person and so they

1:06:33

just dismissed the charges against Christina a

1:06:36

little less than a year ago in March of

1:06:38

2023 and so she can't be tried again now

1:06:40

right no she can be I think civilly I

1:06:42

think they're gonna go for the civil I think

1:06:45

because the state of the state of that you

1:06:47

have legit limitations for neglect of a dissap I

1:06:49

believe that if disabled person had passed that was

1:06:51

a point of the other reasons why they couldn't

1:06:53

get Michael on those charges yeah

1:06:55

but I think if I know if you

1:06:57

are tried for a crime and found not

1:06:59

guilty you can't be tried again but if

1:07:01

charges are dismissed against you I think you

1:07:04

can be I think the charges can be

1:07:06

brought back if there's new evidence I'm pretty

1:07:08

sure I hope so yeah I hope so

1:07:10

but they're not you know it's not

1:07:12

like they're just not gonna go for it they're not gonna

1:07:14

go after it I think as far as the state of

1:07:16

Indiana is concerned this case is by them I don't think

1:07:18

they fucking care but there's so

1:07:20

much footage of her just abusing this child

1:07:22

we saw it in the documentary yeah well

1:07:24

I mean there's no but that's the thing

1:07:26

there's only footage of her telling

1:07:29

that there's footage of her emotionally abusing her

1:07:31

I mean but there's no but there's physically

1:07:33

abusing I mean the wall thing is insane

1:07:36

but there's no fit but there's no video

1:07:38

evidence of that and that it lasted as

1:07:40

long as they said it yeah and yet

1:07:42

there's no you don't know and that's and

1:07:44

it could also be argued that's just a

1:07:46

you know that that's a punishment that a

1:07:48

parent is allowed to I mean how there's

1:07:51

a lot of people that will defend beating your

1:07:53

kids you know like still like you should we

1:07:55

should bring spankin back you know like there's plenty

1:07:57

of especially like Indiana like I know all our

1:07:59

people in Indiana. I love you. We got

1:08:02

good people in Indiana. But god damn, that

1:08:04

state's awful. It just got a lot of

1:08:06

problems. They just need a lot of help.

1:08:08

It's got a lot of problems. I personally

1:08:10

have people going through some crazy problems with

1:08:13

the adoption process in Indiana. Yeah, that's as

1:08:15

far as I can talk about that, but

1:08:17

like I know firsthand there is some crazy

1:08:19

problems with the adoption processes in Indiana.

1:08:22

That is very interesting. I'm also looking more into

1:08:24

re-aging, but like I guess it does happen fairly

1:08:27

often in international adoptions because they believe it

1:08:29

would shave a couple of years off a

1:08:31

child that makes it more attractive. Albert Pujols.

1:08:33

Yes. Who? Albert Pujols, the great

1:08:35

home run hitter. He came from

1:08:38

the Dominican Republic and like he came in and

1:08:40

they were like, he was like, ah, you know,

1:08:42

I'm 16. I'm 18. But

1:08:44

he was a clearly 20 something. That's

1:08:46

what Larry Fishburne did to get an

1:08:48

apocalypse now. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he was

1:08:50

sick. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

1:08:53

So sometimes re-aging is good.

1:08:58

But where we are with this case

1:09:00

now is like, I don't believe that

1:09:03

Michael or Christine, well, I mean, I

1:09:05

mean, Christine, her reputation is fucking ruined.

1:09:07

Yeah, that's over. Her life is over.

1:09:10

Like, you know, like, I mean, she

1:09:12

is forever Christine Barnett, the woman who,

1:09:14

you know, tortured and re-aged a

1:09:17

little person for years. I never gave fucking

1:09:19

Jacob a dollar for the book. Nothing. Yeah,

1:09:21

that sucks too. Yeah. That poor kid. I feel

1:09:24

so bad for him too. I feel bad. I mean,

1:09:26

he seems to be like the only genuine dude in

1:09:28

this whole thing. Like he seems like he's really trying

1:09:30

hard to be a good person. And I just, I

1:09:32

hope Nintali can find some peace. I hope that she

1:09:35

gets, I mean, I hope she gets paid. There's going

1:09:37

to be season three of this show. Obviously. And so

1:09:39

we're going to end up watching that at some point

1:09:41

and you might notice, so this is

1:09:43

like, this is a relaxed fit. Yeah. So this was a

1:09:45

lighter episode. We're talking about lots of stuff kind of, but

1:09:48

I want you to know, we got two

1:09:51

absolutely thick ass series. You coming

1:09:53

up. Yes. Oh, can you give

1:09:55

any hints? Well, one is we

1:09:57

got true crime. Okay. Big old.

1:10:00

big old true crime story and then we

1:10:02

are doing a really

1:10:04

fun trip into stuff that this is a

1:10:06

part of your education. Thank you.

1:10:09

Eddie, we're going to teach you about

1:10:12

what's really going on. More

1:10:15

alien stuff. No, it is not more

1:10:17

alien stuff. It's the truth. There's

1:10:20

some alien stuff, but it's what's

1:10:22

really going on under the surface.

1:10:24

Yeah, buddy. What goes on? Yeah.

1:10:27

Who's making the decisions that affect us all? I'll

1:10:29

say sometimes there are people that need to sleep

1:10:32

on a rock with a

1:10:35

sun lamp. Oh, okay. That's

1:10:37

not even speaking my language. Very big, very

1:10:39

big series. But yeah, so you know, we're

1:10:41

just doing a run up to some really

1:10:43

big fix up before we do our big

1:10:45

histories. We've got two big series and we've

1:10:47

got a big history series this summer that

1:10:50

we're going to do. We're

1:10:52

very excited for it. And the true crime series,

1:10:54

what I'll say is that it is a modern

1:10:56

story that has the last

1:10:58

10 years that has

1:11:01

roots in the past, or I would say

1:11:03

the motivation of the perpetrator

1:11:06

has his motivations far

1:11:08

in the past. Okay. Perhaps

1:11:11

a war between two

1:11:14

religions. Ooh, I

1:11:16

hate religion. Yeah,

1:11:19

and you're going to like this. You're

1:11:21

going to like that. The nuns are number

1:11:23

one now, by the way. Did you hear

1:11:25

that? The nuns are number one? Yeah, the

1:11:27

number one religion in America is a nun.

1:11:30

Well, yeah, no zero. Yeah. Oh,

1:11:33

no. Yeah, we did it. No,

1:11:35

no. I thought you meant like. None

1:11:37

as an end you end. None as an end

1:11:39

no end. I thought you meant like nuns. Well,

1:11:41

I won't. No, they're out. Yeah, they're out there.

1:11:44

They're way out. They're out there. Have you ever seen a

1:11:46

young nun? I have. My whole life

1:11:48

I've never seen one young nun. You know, I've never seen

1:11:50

a young nun. No, I never have either. We are going

1:11:52

to see the end of nunnery. It's

1:11:55

very possible. Yeah, we'll

1:11:57

still have priests for a while. But yeah, we'll definitely see the

1:11:59

end of nun. Yeah fuckers man. The uh, Let the

1:12:01

nuns be priests! That's the whole problem! You know

1:12:03

man, you know what? That should keep them out.

1:12:05

No, just let them fuck. Just let everyone fuck.

1:12:07

Let everybody fuck. That's the problem. That would be

1:12:09

a big problem. That's the big problem. We're gonna

1:12:11

help out a lot. Yeah, let the nuns be

1:12:14

priests, but first let them fuck. Yeah, kids, everyone,

1:12:16

they let them sizzer. Like they let priests suck

1:12:18

dick. Yeah. Do you know how many

1:12:20

problems would be fixed if priests could just suck

1:12:22

dick? They probably do. Legal dick. You don't think

1:12:24

that the Virgil Mary... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You

1:12:27

don't think a Virgil Mary didn't suck dick?

1:12:29

I didn't think she got the name. Yeah

1:12:31

buddy. Yeah, because she kept the holes empty.

1:12:33

Yeah. Oh, I don't know

1:12:36

how I answered it. They never

1:12:38

said anything about virgin teeth. Oh,

1:12:43

this is thinner. I was saying, I was saying,

1:12:46

the house, the guy, the angel came in the

1:12:48

windows, I was like, baby, let me get it

1:12:50

in. I was just like, Gabe? Yeah. Gabe. That

1:12:52

was a good name. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1:12:54

yeah. Yeah, hopefully let's make some food. Man, that

1:12:57

guy shoots crazy roams. What

1:13:00

a sad episode. So

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1:13:05

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1:13:07

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once you just go ahead take your cell down

1:14:31

that shit oh yeah again

1:14:34

hell Jacob yeah

1:14:36

I like it so the tie is cool but you know

1:14:38

it's a little difficult

1:14:42

it's hard cup is a pure soul I

1:14:45

feel so much for Jake I really do I

1:14:47

feel a lot for Jacob but yeah yeah and

1:14:49

I also feel for Natalia too yeah it's like

1:14:51

I feel I is an abused child

1:14:53

there's no question about yeah yeah she's doing her best

1:14:56

that's what I'll say about Natalia she's doing her best

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and good honor for for doing the best she can

1:15:00

with the horrible fucking hand that

1:15:02

she was built in life and Jacob

1:15:04

too yeah but everyone else like I

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don't know I got no good feelings

1:15:09

for anyone else I don't know nothing about the

1:15:11

other kids yeah they breathe they purposely stay out

1:15:13

of it as they should ever sent the amends

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I got a good feeling for Cynthia I like

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I think Cynthia man's is a genuinely good person

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