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coming back on the show. Cheryl.

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Hines as here on was always one

3:00

of my favorite. Early

3:02

early early podcasts that we

3:04

did here and it's been

3:06

a few years. So. I

3:09

like to go back and bring my

3:11

favorites back and. She is.

3:14

Out with her twelve and

3:17

final season. Of

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curb your enthusiasm. She.

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ago. That insane. And. So

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it's are on H B O

3:28

I'm. Now. Stream.

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And H B O final season

3:32

and she's or so lovely. So

3:34

let's. Let's bring your own.

3:45

It's been like a couple years since

3:47

we've had a chance to download. We.

3:49

It's weird it it seems like yesterday.

3:51

but yeah, it's probably any companies. And

3:54

it's that mail. Not a lot's really going on.

3:57

Now know nothing on my end Anyway,

3:59

now. You're. Life is I think. The

4:02

life of an average person. Very

4:04

usual. It's it's it's it's been and yet

4:06

it actually is usual that you really truly

4:09

is par for the course. For.

4:11

New for for you for sure. There's no

4:13

two ways about it. I mean by

4:15

yeah, by the way, we're so much to

4:17

get into, but I'm nothing if not an

4:20

investigative journalist. Did. You see that

4:22

Larry? How to run in with Elmo today? No,

4:24

I didn't know. it's a bit like happened. Yes,

4:26

he's all over the news. On

4:29

see. I'm. In I'm I'm only

4:31

reading headlines are not the have mine are not

4:33

the headline. Editor? don't blame

4:35

me. No, no, you just the reporter and I'm

4:38

not trying to get clicks or not be provocative,

4:40

only reading the it was here. Ah,

4:42

he assaulted Elmo. Larry. Assaulted

4:44

Elmo on you. Went way on good

4:46

Morning America. Verbally,

4:49

Or physically both. He

4:51

he, I'm verbally or bullied

4:53

him and then assaulted him.

4:56

And. Apparently them was forced

4:58

to apologise to Elmo live on the

5:00

air. We we. Are you

5:02

saying that this is a serious thing or

5:04

he say well here's here's the thing is

5:06

that that people have no sense of this

5:08

gonna come as a shock to. Yeah.

5:11

People. Don't have a sense of humor

5:13

anymore. A really don't They are

5:15

very sensitive. They're very sensitive and.

5:18

In. In fairness, I.

5:21

Have not completely. Done.

5:23

The deep dive in watched the clip. I've only

5:26

looked at the. Coverage. And

5:29

less knowing him as a as

5:31

we do. It we

5:33

used obviously being funny. I'm Elmo almost

5:35

on because he's he's making news because

5:37

he asked America just. How

5:40

you feeling and everybody? On.

5:42

Like. Like right? That was the

5:44

thing and last week rates right and so I

5:46

guess is enough. You know it is like when

5:48

you go on to promote something you like. Okay

5:51

you're on the first half hour and then in

5:53

the second half hour on Elmo will be joining

5:55

you and then after that it's Dell Price Howard

5:57

who's got is another area we have led Legacy

5:59

and then you. I don't know what, okay

6:01

fine. Yeah. You're like, okay, great. And

6:03

so you know, you're Larry, he's promoting

6:05

your news, the 12th season of Curb,

6:08

February 4th. How about that? How

6:10

smooth is that? And you know, he finds himself on a

6:12

couch with Elmo and decides, yeah, I'm going

6:14

to assault this puppet. I'm just going to do it. Oh

6:17

my, he doesn't, Larry doesn't care. He

6:19

doesn't care. He doesn't care about a

6:21

puppet. He doesn't

6:23

care about a human being. By the

6:25

way, that's not on Larry. That's on

6:27

whoever decided to put those two on

6:29

the couch next to each other. One

6:31

hundred percent. Right. Read

6:34

the room. Read

6:39

the room. You have the room. You

6:41

go, okay. So you have one of

6:43

the sweetest, nicest characters

6:45

in the history of the world and

6:47

one of the darkest misanthropes in

6:50

the history of the world. I

6:52

know that's a match made in heaven. Yeah.

6:55

Who has made a career out of

6:57

telling people he does not care how

7:00

you feel and does not care if

7:02

he ever hurts your feelings. That's

7:05

what Larry's built the career

7:07

on. I can, I'm poor Elmo.

7:10

Poor Elmo. Elmo didn't ask

7:12

for that. Whatever happened, Elmo did not

7:14

ask for. I'm sure. Elmo

7:16

did say that Larry was, quote, it

7:18

was very big of Larry to apologize.

7:23

Yeah. That's slightly surprising. Now I'm going to have to

7:25

go watch it. Although

7:29

I say that, but Rob, am I really going

7:31

to like. You're not going to do it. You're

7:33

not going to. Neither am I, by the way. I'm not doing

7:35

anything. I mean, we're not doing any

7:38

of that. We're not sturging it. No. No.

7:41

But this has been like the week of apologies. I guess they

7:43

got Zuckerberg to apologize in the middle

7:45

of testifying in Capitol Hill. Yesterday.

7:48

I didn't see that. Yeah. This

7:50

is like everybody's apologizing for everything. Well,

7:52

everybody's mad at everybody for a lot of things.

7:55

Which is mad. Just mad. Pretty just

7:57

angry. Um, why does Larry.

8:00

David Walk like a marionette. He

8:02

does that thing where,

8:05

remember, I mean

8:07

I know you're too young for it and so am

8:09

I, but remember in the 70s they had the keep

8:11

on trucking guy? 100%

8:14

that's what he looks like. His feet were way

8:16

out in front and like leading back. That's

8:18

how he walks. Oh my

8:20

God, he did it. That's hot. That's a

8:22

keep on truck. Oh, do you remember those,

8:25

Tisha? Every state fair, every other person at

8:27

the state fair had either I'm with stupid

8:30

or keep on trucking. And everybody

8:33

had a poster of the cat holding on. I don't even

8:35

know what the cat was holding

8:37

on to. Hang in there, baby. Hang in

8:39

there, baby. I don't even know what the cat was holding on to.

8:42

It was a bar. It was just a pull-up bar. Hang

8:45

in there, baby. Hang in there, baby. And man,

8:47

people were like, yeah, that speaks to me. Yeah,

8:50

this is where we're at. Keep on trucking. Keep

8:53

on trucking. Oh, I

8:55

want to find one of those. What

8:57

does it even mean? I don't know.

9:00

What does that mean? Why was that

9:02

a thing? I don't know. Keep

9:04

on trucking. Did people stop

9:07

trucking or were they thinking about not trucking? And

9:10

why not caring or train? Yeah. Why

9:13

trucking? Why the truck? I know. Keep

9:16

on walking? It caught like

9:18

wildfire. Wildfire. People

9:21

were like, wow, somebody gets me, and they

9:23

made t-shirts, and I'm so grateful. And

9:25

Larry was like, I'm going to walk like that.

9:27

But it is. It's insane. I just saw just

9:30

a clip of him walking out of Good Morning

9:32

American. It's like literally, is he

9:34

double joint? I was

9:36

at a party the other day, and

9:38

he was there. And I was just... All

9:40

these famous people were there. Famous, famous,

9:43

famous, famous people everywhere at

9:45

this party. And all I could

9:47

do was watch Larry David walk

9:49

around the room with like those legs.

9:52

It's unbelievable. With legs,

9:54

like way out in front of his hips.

9:58

That's what it is. His legs are too... femur

10:01

bones. I'm no

10:03

chiropractor. No, but you talk like one.

10:05

You've probably played one in your lifetime.

10:07

Let's be honest. Yes. Well,

10:09

yes. Yes. That was, that was always my move in

10:11

the eighties. You know, I'm, you know,

10:13

I'm a chiropractor. You know, you look like you

10:16

could use an adjustment. Yeah.

10:20

I see 12 season are obviously done.

10:22

It's out now. How long is it?

10:24

I sound like somebody from Ohio. So

10:27

how long does it take you to film one

10:29

of those? Is

10:31

there an audience? Um,

10:33

but how long does it take you to film

10:35

an episode? Well, you know, it's funny because

10:38

when we started out, I mean, this

10:42

started out as a one hour special that we

10:44

shot in 1999. Yeah.

10:46

I saw. Um, and

10:49

it wasn't in Bobby, uh,

10:51

Larry wanted it to, um,

10:55

feel like a documentary. So it was

10:57

shot like a mockumentary. So, um,

11:00

everything was just down and

11:02

dirty and nothing fancy. And

11:05

so our first few seasons were, I

11:07

think we, I think we

11:09

were shooting an episode in five days, you know,

11:11

and by the end of it, um, I

11:15

took probably five to eight days

11:18

to shoot one episode. Yeah.

11:20

You know, when it's all improvised

11:23

and I mean, that being said, because

11:25

it's improvised, you have

11:27

no rehearsal. Um, and

11:31

you know, it's not like there's, and

11:33

I'm not hurting anyone's feelings hopefully when I say

11:35

this, cause if they don't know this, then that's

11:38

weird on them. That's on them. It's

11:40

not like our lighting is a

11:42

nuanced, you know, moody

11:45

lighting. It is, uh, light

11:48

the world and all your freaks

11:51

and crevices. Listen,

11:54

I remember in parks and recreation, I came

11:56

on in season two

11:58

and they'd already established. the look

12:00

and I remember like in

12:02

season three in

12:05

the valley some horrible parking

12:07

lot noon

12:09

Sun directly overhead Amy

12:12

Poehler's like working on having her third

12:14

baby. I'm like what it kill

12:17

you? It would kill you? Put

12:20

a scrim up over Amy Poehler and

12:22

me? Would it kill you? Would it kill anybody?

12:24

And it would. It would kill anybody? They didn't

12:26

do it probably. They didn't really do it. Somebody,

12:30

it's funny, I was asking somebody

12:32

at Netflix, something

12:34

about comedy and why they work and why they don't

12:37

work. I was like what is Space Force? Bomb.

12:40

Hey. Right? Steve

12:42

Carell, like I'm so in. Steve Carell is a

12:45

phony baloney astronaut going to the world. It's comedy.

12:47

It's by the office. And

12:49

the person told me, it was raised from

12:52

a person said, turns out we realized that

12:54

scale is the enemy of

12:56

comedy. So it proves exactly

12:58

what you're saying about curb. It's

13:00

like down and dirty, simple,

13:02

no frills. Funny,

13:05

great. Special

13:07

effects, beautiful lighting,

13:10

elaborate sets and hair and

13:13

makeup and production value. That's

13:15

so funny. That's so interesting.

13:18

Scale is the enemy

13:20

of comedy. And

13:23

if you think about it, all the comedies that

13:25

we love growing up, the production

13:27

value is

13:30

only as good as it needs to be

13:32

and not one iota more. Yeah.

13:35

You're right. I mean, look at the office, even

13:37

the office. They

13:40

kept it down and dirty or

13:42

seemingly. You know, they're

13:44

all well thought out. You

13:46

know, the only sitcom that

13:50

I can think of that had an

13:52

amazing production was the the. Yes.

13:56

It looked like the West one. They

13:58

made it look like the West one. Yeah. But still,

14:00

because they were so friggin' funny

14:02

and the writing was so good

14:05

and the performances were so, they

14:08

still, like the camera work and everything made

14:10

it seem like you were just happened

14:12

to be dropping in and watching to see what

14:14

was going on behind the scenes. But

14:17

yeah, you're right. Like, I guess if it's

14:19

too fancy, you're

14:21

distracted by it? Well, because

14:23

I think it makes you

14:27

feel like, ooh, they're

14:29

taking this very seriously.

14:31

See what I mean? There's a

14:33

lot of money on this. Ooh,

14:36

they're taking it. Ooh, they're taking it. Ooh. Yeah.

14:40

They really are going to send Steve Carell to space.

14:43

He really thinks he's going. You know, it's funny,

14:45

I didn't even watch that. I didn't

14:48

even watch that. Me neither. You know

14:50

why? That's

14:52

too much. That's too much. I don't need a

14:54

remake of 2001. Yeah,

14:56

I did too much. Yeah. Just

14:59

be funny. Here. Maybe we

15:01

have to circle back to it. I don't know. I

15:03

don't think we do. Well, we won't. We

15:05

won't. Just like Elmo. We won't.

15:07

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15:10

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well, it's time for you to be honest with me.

18:31

I don't do politics on the show, so don't

18:33

worry. We're not doing any political stuff, but

18:35

we're doing politically adjacent. If

18:38

you're the first lady of the United States, you're

18:40

kind of in a, you would be in a damned if

18:44

you do damned if you don't, because if

18:46

you continue to be as beautiful and stylish

18:48

as you are and you look beautiful today,

18:50

they'll be like, Oh, she's just trying to

18:53

be Jackie. Oh, so you can't do that.

18:55

You clearly aren't going the Eleanor Roosevelt route

18:57

either. So I

18:59

feel like you have a real issue ahead of you.

19:02

Have you given any thought to that? As

19:05

far as passion goes? Yes. I

19:07

mean, listen, like I said, I

19:09

think about, I leave petty politics to

19:11

others. I'm interested in what real people want. What

19:14

is the first lady going to, what's the first

19:16

lady going to look like? Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

19:18

Well, this is a good question because if

19:21

I'm being honest with you, once

19:23

in a while, I think what really goes

19:25

on in that white house, you

19:28

know what I mean? Is anybody walking around in flippers

19:31

in a bathrobe because that is

19:33

what I'm usually wearing when I'm home.

19:37

And I don't know how I just,

19:39

I don't know how that that would go over.

19:42

You know what I mean? I

19:44

played a political person on television, so I understand

19:47

a little bit about the white house. But

19:49

if you're up in the residence and

19:51

you want to make a sandwich for yourself,

19:55

I think you can. You clearly

19:57

can, but there's probably like a valet

19:59

there. who's sitting right next to you.

20:01

That's like, I'll do it. And then you say,

20:03

no, no, I'll do it. Cause I know how

20:05

much mayonnaise. And they're like, just tell me how

20:07

much mayonnaise. And then by the time you're just

20:10

like, you know what? I'm not even hungry. Yeah. Forget

20:12

it. I'm just going to bed. I don't even want

20:14

anymore. What if, what if I became

20:16

the first lady and every time I walked out

20:18

of my room, I was in a different outfit

20:20

and it was designer head to toe. And I

20:22

was just like, hello, I'm here. I

20:26

mean, I feel like that's been done. Don't you feel like

20:28

we've had first ladies like that? Well,

20:31

it's hard to know because we, we've

20:33

only seen what they've shown us. Do you know what

20:35

I mean? Oh, you're talking about in

20:37

pride, like like in just in pride. When

20:41

I wake up in the morning, I, you know,

20:43

I'll sleep in my ratty pajamas. But when I

20:45

walk out into the main

20:48

living area, I'll put on

20:50

my Armani silk pajamas

20:54

and prance around. Well,

20:56

it's what I liked about watching the crown is seeing

20:59

the queen in like her night night,

21:01

we're sleepy cozy. Where? Yeah. I need

21:04

to watch it. I haven't seen it. Oh,

21:06

it's so good. Everybody loves

21:08

it. Everybody loves it. It's

21:11

what's what we're talking about. It's like what goes

21:13

on in the palace. It's

21:15

real human beings having sandwiches at night

21:17

and watching the telly, you know, it's

21:19

like, oh, it is. 100%

21:23

is what we want to see. We want to be reminded

21:26

that it's real people doing real things. What if

21:28

I just suddenly started

21:31

wearing a little box hat?

21:34

Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Then it,

21:36

that would really, I think, I think

21:38

a represented from the family. Yeah.

21:41

Might say that was Jackie's thing.

21:44

Yeah. And they might

21:46

say, if somebody somewhere might

21:48

say times, stop it.

21:50

You can't, you just, you need to

21:52

stop. Hines,

21:55

whatever you're doing, don't. I

21:58

have a feeling I would get a lot of that. whatever

22:00

you're doing, stop, just stop. Just

22:04

fix, nay. Just don't. Just

22:07

don't. Bobby

22:09

is so ripped. I know.

22:11

He's fucking, dude, I'm so inspired. Really,

22:13

I'm not, this is not a bit.

22:15

I'm like, fuck yes, fuck

22:17

yes. This is, it's super, I gotta

22:20

get with him and figure out what

22:22

the regimen is. I mean, I'm seeing a little

22:24

bit of it, because he's, I love that he

22:26

shares it, but I want the real. I

22:29

went like, okay. Talk me

22:31

through your day. Talk me through, like, when are

22:33

we eating? When are we eating? What are

22:35

we eating? How much water? No, he doesn't.

22:37

Like, what's the, what's going on? He

22:39

doesn't eat until noon. Yeah.

22:44

Did you say noon at the same time? Yeah. Is

22:46

that a ripped guy thing? He's

22:48

intermittent fasting. Yeah. Um,

22:51

and then he drinks a lot of water when he wakes

22:53

up, because he doesn't really like water, which

22:55

is weird to me. I don't either. Yeah.

22:58

You just get, just like, just plug it in and plug it and

23:00

go. We've got to do it. And then he

23:02

goes, then he goes on a hike with the dog.

23:05

Then he goes to the gym. So the

23:07

low, so the low heart rate. Yep.

23:11

Because that's, you don't want to be in the junk zone, which

23:14

is where I usually am. It's like,

23:16

the junk zone is like where you're, where you're pumping, like, God,

23:18

I'm getting, this is great. I mean,

23:20

you want super low

23:22

level extended period or

23:26

super crazy. I feel like I'm going to

23:29

give myself a heart attack level. Yeah.

23:32

But you don't want anything in everything in the middle is kind

23:34

of a waste. Oh, well,

23:36

the good news is I don't do any of them. So.

23:39

That's really good news. I

23:42

mean, listen, living with Bobby, makes

23:44

you feel lazy. I

23:46

mean, even going on vacation with him, it's

23:48

fun, it's not a vacation. You know what

23:50

I mean? He's like, he's like getting up

23:52

at six and

23:55

working out and going scuba

23:57

diving and climbing that mountain.

24:00

You know I'm

24:05

You're like him. I know you're like him, you

24:07

know, you know how I know you're like

24:09

him. Hmm because when I did brothers

24:12

and sisters 100,000

24:14

years ago. Yeah, I remember pulling up to the

24:16

set I don't know if we talked about this last

24:18

time I remember pulling up to the set just

24:20

the parking lot, you know, and I

24:22

looked over and there was a car that

24:25

had a wetsuit On

24:27

top of it and I was like what

24:29

what happened here and they said oh, that's Rob

24:32

He already, you know went surfing this morning and

24:34

then what? How

24:37

is that possible? I would have the first day

24:39

that I just got here

24:41

and I And they were

24:43

like yeah, and so that was just like

24:45

oh, okay. I see I see you I

24:48

I get it. That's me. That's I on

24:50

on West Wing and

24:52

Brothers and Sisters I went to

24:54

the gym every lunch break every single one never

24:57

missed one every bread lunch break Which is it

24:59

is, you know, you got to get makeup and

25:01

hair It's kind of a hassle, but it's it

25:03

was great then you are exactly like Bobby

25:06

Bobby will He'll

25:08

work all day, you know do stuff Why

25:12

back to LA and drive

25:14

straight to the gym? What

25:19

How is that he said no, it makes me feel better. Yes It's

25:23

it's and you know, I've never skied with him. I

25:26

mean and you know for

25:28

years he did the those amazing Ski

25:31

for the River keepers. Yeah the ski

25:34

things in my brother Chad's done a ton of them

25:36

Yeah, you know, I think we talked about this.

25:38

He famously got lost and Aspen and had to be rescued

25:40

at one of them Yeah

25:45

Oh No,

25:48

yeah, well he really went off-road

25:51

How did he really literally did he

25:53

he and I've since been to that

25:56

part on Aspen and I can see how it happens

25:58

But it's okay. It's really down the other

26:00

if you go to the other side of the

26:02

mountain. He went down the other side and he

26:04

followed tracks. He thought, oh, well, this is clearly

26:08

part of the terrain. It wasn't. It was someone

26:10

else who had gotten lost. And

26:13

so he finds himself at the bottom of it. He can't

26:15

climb up and there's a river. All

26:17

there is is a river. And

26:19

then the good news is a highway, but

26:22

it's on the other side of the river. So you

26:24

can't walk back up. And if you want to

26:26

get to the highway and get back to you, you got to go through the river. And

26:29

he did. It was him and, um, oh my

26:31

God, who's the actor? I cannot remember who, for

26:33

the life of me, who it was now. Um,

26:36

but it was someone else. It'll come to you.

26:38

It'll come to you. It'll come to me. And,

26:40

and I think, yeah. And there was like literally

26:42

APB. They hadn't shown up for the dinner and the

26:45

whatever it was all. It was, it was a thing. It was in the news.

26:48

Oh my, well, thank God. Another

26:50

thing to Google after we Google,

26:52

where are you attacking Elmo? I

26:54

will, I will see Chad before

26:56

I even think about Googling it.

26:59

Cause I see Chad a lot. I love

27:01

your neighbors. Are you in the neighborhood? Yeah. In

27:04

the neighborhood. It wasn't Fisher Stevens. My producers

27:06

are saying it wasn't it. No,

27:09

but Fisher would be a likely suspect.

27:12

It was, it was, yes. Bingo. Who? Maybe

27:14

it was fish. Cause it was Rob Morrow.

27:17

It was Rob Morrow. And

27:20

maybe Fisher was involved in it. I know

27:22

Rob Morrow for Rob. It was definitely Rob

27:24

Morrow. Yeah. That sounds, you know what, when

27:26

you say that, that sounds right. That's

27:28

Chad and Rob. We're like,

27:30

let's go down this. This is a, that sounds

27:32

right. That's right. I'm

27:35

taking my, my dad is 84 and

27:37

he taught me to ski. Um,

27:40

an expert expert, expert

27:42

skier, he's 84 and you know,

27:45

health if he, and he's like,

27:49

I'm I dream. I just want to go ski

27:51

with my boys again. And so for years, my

27:53

brother and I had chided and been like, we

27:55

can't do the heat, I don't even know

27:57

if he can get up, get up off the list.

28:00

Yeah, but he's on and on and we

28:02

this year we decided we're doing it and

28:05

In two and a half weeks. We

28:07

are taking my dad to Alta

28:09

and snowbird where which is

28:11

a no fool in place to ski No

28:15

fooling. Why are you going to someplace

28:17

really hard? Because that's where

28:19

we learned to ski with him and that's

28:22

what that's where we always went We never

28:24

went anywhere else and I think

28:26

the notion of you know, dad We just thought

28:28

maybe we take you to um, oh gee, I don't know big

28:30

bear Maybe like really?

28:32

Yeah big really you dick. Yeah,

28:35

don't yeah, you know, I mean so

28:37

we're doing it I have no idea how

28:39

it's gonna go. I cannot wait

28:41

to hear about this You know what?

28:43

You're inspiring me because my mom is

28:46

well, she doesn't want me to tell people how old she is.

28:48

I love it Yes, but let's just say

28:51

she's not nurse 70 Her

28:55

dream is to Go

28:58

back to Vegas with me and my sister because

29:00

we used to take her to Vegas last time

29:02

we took her to Vegas Was

29:04

for one of her birth. I think was maybe her 75th birthday

29:08

And we took her to the center from down under

29:11

no, that's amazing And

29:14

the guys were so sweet because we're watching

29:16

the show Anybody that's

29:18

unfamiliar guys take off their

29:21

they dance They're

29:23

just chippin. It's the modern version of

29:25

fingelles. Yeah, and the guys were so

29:27

cute because they saw my mom having

29:30

the best time and they would like come

29:33

up and dance and Then and

29:36

then they would hug her like they're just

29:38

hugging a sweet friend. It was the cutest

29:41

To me that's sending mixed signals. It

29:44

you know what to me that sent

29:46

signals like oh, yeah, that's what I thought

29:49

Mm-hmm. Yeah, very many you're drinking your water.

29:52

I see you're being very good. I love

29:54

water you So

29:58

bad I don't

30:00

like it. Um, yeah, no, will you

30:02

so you got to tell Bobby that we need to

30:04

ski Oh, he would love to see with you.

30:06

He would love to see with you. I

30:08

don't can't believe I haven't And

30:11

you really got to start that we need

30:13

to think about you as as as first

30:15

lady though. I'm really into this It's like

30:17

your code name. I think you do you

30:20

get to pick your secret service name. I don't think

30:22

you do What would yours be? well,

30:24

it's It's interesting

30:26

because You know, you may

30:28

have it already. Well, there is a

30:30

you know, there is But

30:38

yeah, I think you can tell

30:40

if they're friendly You

30:42

could probably tell them what you want to be

30:44

called and I told them I would

30:46

like to be called the Queen But

30:48

yeah, it hasn't stuck Yeah,

30:51

the Queen would be good. Hmm. You could

30:53

be cobalt for the color of your eyes.

30:55

That's what I say Mmm,

30:58

cobalt is on the move cobalt

31:00

is Headed to

31:02

the East room. Yeah, I like that.

31:05

It's really good one. I'm not kidding No, I think I'm

31:07

gonna suggest that one when it's sick Oh,

31:10

yeah When I get in when I get

31:12

it when I get to sit when you invite me to

31:14

the the State of the Union Mm-hmm.

31:17

Yeah, I like that's where I

31:19

love that. That's the thing you want to go

31:21

to I Love

31:25

all the events that are happening and

31:27

watching The you Union

31:32

I do not think of anything

31:34

worse Everybody just

31:36

I just it's the funniest thing to me where

31:39

somebody you know They'll say something and

31:41

some people stand up and the person

31:44

next to him stay seated

31:46

with their arms crossed to make a statement I

31:49

know Long night. It's

31:52

a long night my

31:54

favorite is is the as you know

31:56

that the Supreme Court Justice

31:59

and everybody in every branch of

32:01

the military is supposed to be politically

32:03

agnostic. So they, they

32:05

literally sit on their hands. And

32:09

I, for years I looked at it and go, well,

32:11

they're really hard to please. Oh,

32:13

I didn't know that. Yes. They

32:15

are not, they are not supposed to applaud

32:18

anything. One way or the other. Nope.

32:20

They're particularly the Supreme Court justices who

32:22

are always there. And,

32:25

but if you don't know it, you're like Jesus Christ.

32:27

I mean, I get that half a month applaud for

32:29

this and half a quad for that, but they don't

32:31

like anything. Those people. That I'm going

32:33

to, well, I was going to

32:36

watch. It's super fun to

32:38

watch them. Fun to watch. Do you watch,

32:41

do you watch all of this? I do.

32:43

I'm a nerd. What do you want from my life? I'm

32:45

a, I'm a, I, that's why I was born to be

32:47

on the West Wing. Cause I'm, I literally am that guy.

32:49

Yeah. You are, you are that guy. By

32:51

the way, I, I really started

32:53

watching West Wing again and you

32:56

guys are so great. And

32:58

it is funny because, you

33:00

know, I get how people get caught

33:02

up in TV shows. You

33:04

know, cause people always say, Oh, it's different when

33:06

you're on a TV show, because, you

33:09

know, people that are watching kind of feel like they

33:11

know you. Cause you're, you're

33:14

sitting there and you're in this world and that's,

33:16

I feel the same way I'm watching West Wing. And

33:19

I'm like, now they're

33:21

going to go get lunch and,

33:23

you know, and then I think, Oh

33:25

yeah, I'm actually a not on the

33:27

show. B they're not real

33:29

people. And, um,

33:32

see, you know, it's, it's

33:34

a script, but done really

33:36

well. Done really well. What's

33:38

nice about it. And I think curb

33:41

will be the same or is the same as

33:43

it, it's an evergreen. It's never

33:45

ever, ever, ever not going to go

33:47

out of style in a way. But

33:49

even with that, it has seasons like

33:51

it has, you know, for

33:54

whatever reason, right now, probably because we're in the middle

33:56

of a presidential campaign. That's probably what it is. It's

34:00

a big time surge. Like I'm hearing people talk about

34:02

it, all people, I got a text

34:04

from Charles Barkley, who I love, and he's like, I'd

34:07

never seen the West Wing, I'm watching it now. I'm like, great

34:09

shock, it only took you 20 years. I

34:11

love it, thank you. They're like, people

34:13

are finding it again, and I think

34:15

they want comfort, because we live in

34:17

such a crazy world. They want, although

34:19

watching the West Wing now feels

34:22

like, it's like, oh,

34:24

bless their cotton socks. I know, oh,

34:26

they're worried about that thing. Aw,

34:31

bless. That would be sweet, that would

34:33

be sweet. Isn't that sweet of them?

34:35

It feels like that now, doesn't it?

34:37

Yeah, yeah. Like science fiction. Yeah,

34:39

yeah. Although it does, but you're right

34:41

though, it does hold up. It

34:44

really holds up because, it's like you were saying about

34:46

the crown. When you're watching it, even

34:48

when you're watching it, and you're like,

34:50

oh, is that what his bedroom would

34:52

really look like? Right? Yeah, and then

34:54

I really start thinking, oh, is

34:56

that what his bedroom looks like? How

34:59

do we know? But it's probably-

35:01

In the crown, I'm like, wow, did

35:04

the queen really have that shitty of a

35:06

television? I bet she did. I

35:09

bet, yes she did. I mean, I can

35:11

imagine Buckingham Palace as the kind of place

35:13

where they were running out every

35:15

time a new plasma came out. No,

35:17

I think it's- She was watching that same TV. Yeah,

35:21

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35:24

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38:11

are we thinking about Oscars? That's happening. You

38:13

got any thoughts? Can

38:15

I tell you what movie I love? And

38:17

you tell me... I'm curious

38:20

because... Okay. Did you

38:22

see Saltburn? I... Here's

38:24

what happens with me now. Okay. Uh-oh. You watch

38:27

10 minutes and then you fall asleep if

38:29

you don't like it. Go ahead. No.

38:31

I see clips.

38:35

They come to me, whether it's on TikTok,

38:37

which I am ashamed to

38:39

say I spend

38:41

way too much time on. And

38:44

because, you know, the algorithm knows you better than

38:46

you know yourself. Yeah. Terrifying. And

38:48

it will... Yeah. It will give you what

38:50

you want. The

38:52

minute that algorithm started sending me

38:55

footage of Bigfoot, I

38:57

was like, okay, yeah, this algorithm really knows me. Yeah.

39:00

Like, yeah, you get me. It

39:02

knows me. So I

39:04

get all of these clips and I've

39:06

seen a lot of clips and I go, that

39:08

movie is great, but it's

39:11

not the

39:14

talented Mr. Ripley great. Mm-hmm. Do

39:18

you know what I mean? I remember when

39:20

I was new in the business and my

39:22

elders and I would talk about movies and

39:25

they would go, yeah, no, no, that's

39:27

really good. No, it's not as good

39:29

as Howard Hawks's The Whatever. Right. And

39:32

they had all of the OG stuff.

39:36

Right. I'm that

39:38

guy now. Now you're that guy. Yeah. So

39:40

I'm like, yeah, I liked it. I liked Saltburn better

39:42

when it was called the talented Mr. Ripley. I...

39:47

It's great. Don't get me wrong. Yeah. If

39:49

you have no experience with the talented Mr. Ripley, it probably

39:51

blows your doors off. I have no experience

39:53

with the talented Mr. Ripley. I haven't seen the

39:55

talented Mr. Ripley. Oh, Ms. Hines. I

39:58

need to see that tonight. movie

40:00

is spectacular. It's one of

40:02

her Paltrow at her height,

40:04

Jude Law, Philip Seymour Hoffman,

40:07

Matt Damon. And Matt Damon is one of my favorite actors

40:10

ever, maybe his best performance.

40:13

And the writing is

40:16

spectacular. If listeners, I

40:18

give you the talented Mr. Ripley. Unbelievably

40:21

great. Okay.

40:23

That I actually will,

40:25

that is something I will watch.

40:29

And then I'll watch

40:31

that. I will watch that. No,

40:33

I really like Saltburn. I don't even think

40:36

it's nominated. Yeah. How

40:38

about the, isn't it funny how

40:40

every, I was just talking to someone about

40:43

this new thing

40:45

that is happening, that songs that

40:47

are, that weren't, yeah, it's

40:50

25 years later are now massive. It's like the

40:52

song from Saltburn. That song

40:54

that he dances to came, is

40:56

from Really?

41:00

And it's inescapable now. Yeah.

41:03

Murder on the dance, Murder on the Dance for. That song's 2001. Really?

41:09

Yes. And then six months early, we just

41:11

remember, going up that hill, if I could

41:13

only make a deal

41:15

with gold. That song, that's another

41:17

oldie. Right? And then there's the

41:20

girl, the Wednesday day dancing to

41:22

that song. That's another old. It's like,

41:25

today, if you write a song, it

41:28

could be a hit in 50 years. You just know. You

41:31

don't know. You get at it. Which

41:33

I like. I like that idea. I

41:35

wouldn't mind being hit when you need it to be a hit,

41:38

but sure. Yeah. I mean, yeah.

41:40

It's kind of sad if you're the person

41:42

that did the song and you release it

41:44

and people are like, yeah. You're 80 years old

41:46

and your kids are taking you skiing and now your

41:48

song's a hit. They're pushing you

41:51

off this ski lift and you're like, wait a second. Wait a second.

41:54

Wait a second. Yeah. But it's like, great news.

41:56

Your song's a hit. Wait,

42:00

what movie do you like for those posters?

42:04

And again, it feels like homework. It feels like

42:06

I have to say. It's like, of course, you

42:08

know what I mean? It's like Oppenheimer. Oppenheimer. Yeah, I

42:11

mean. I mean, it was

42:13

great. But listen, here's the thing. And I

42:15

love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love,

42:17

love. I love him

42:19

as a person and I love Bradley Cooper and

42:21

I love what he

42:23

did with Maestro. I love it. I love it.

42:26

It's super divisive. There are people who I

42:28

trust implicitly. You think it's from the, who's

42:30

seen it five and six times. And

42:33

then also people I trust who go, yeah, I couldn't get through it.

42:36

Like what? Well, what? Okay,

42:39

I've gotta watch that one. I'm

42:41

really behind on the movies.

42:43

I watched the Anatomy of

42:45

a Fall. Did

42:47

you watch that? No. Listen,

42:51

in fairness, I just wrapped

42:55

unstable show I do with my son for

42:57

Netflix. Well, just no, great. And I'm

42:59

sure everybody asks you, but I am

43:01

curious because I'm working with my daughter

43:03

now, but not in an acting realm.

43:05

But how do you, is it fun

43:07

working with your son? You guys

43:10

are real cute together. Oh, thanks. It's great.

43:12

We love it. I love it and the thing I love most about it

43:14

is that I don't know if it's because he's

43:17

my son or because I

43:21

clearly exposed him to the things that

43:24

I liked from the time he was

43:26

little, but we have the exact same,

43:28

exact same aesthetic. So

43:31

if there's a joke that

43:33

doesn't play, he's already

43:35

all over it. If there's a

43:37

piece of casting that I'm like, he's

43:39

already all over it. Like there isn't anything

43:41

that makes it to me anymore. That's

43:44

a problem because he's already seen it and

43:46

fixed it. That is so

43:48

cool. That's so cool. You know what I

43:51

mean? Yeah, how old is he? He's 20, 28. Wow,

43:56

he's 28. Okay. So yeah, my daughter

43:58

Kat is 19. And

44:00

we started a company called Heinz &

44:02

Young. It's like a

44:05

self-care company and we have beautiful

44:07

body creams and linen creams and

44:09

candles. But we are

44:11

the same way too. It's like

44:13

sometimes I feel like we are

44:15

sharing a brain because we might, you

44:17

know, we'll be deciding what our next scent

44:20

will be, what our fragrance will be, and

44:22

we'll both smell something and we'll

44:24

say the same word at the same time like, Jasmine,

44:26

love it, or whatever. And

44:30

it's just, even when we're out, we were

44:32

out and, you know, we were out somewhere

44:34

and Bobby wears the worst shoes, like, Heather.

44:39

Not that there's anything wrong with him. You wear

44:41

those hokas or whatever they're called? No, he doesn't

44:43

wear those. He wears like the open, like, Heather,

44:46

or like, water shoes, but

44:48

I guess he's... Oh, I know

44:50

exactly what they're... Well, listen, he might, because he

44:52

might have to run into the ocean at any

44:54

time or climb a mountain at any time. That's

44:56

how he dresses. I get it. He

44:59

usually has like a bathing suit under

45:01

his pants because there's water, like you

45:03

say, if there's water, he's going in

45:05

it, which is... Yes. He's

45:08

like a Labrador. He's like a Labrador. But

45:10

Kat and I, we were somewhere and something

45:12

was happening and Bobby was talking to somebody

45:14

and we both looked at his shoes at

45:16

the same time and looked at each other

45:18

and we're just like, ugh.

45:20

But it's just exactly what you're talking

45:23

about, like the same moment, the same

45:26

reaction to it, the same, just

45:28

like, ugh. And

45:31

how great is it to have, to like

45:33

divide and conquer? Like, you know, you can

45:36

be in a meeting that

45:38

you don't have to be in because your

45:41

avatar is in there. Yeah.

45:43

Yeah. I know what you're talking about

45:46

sounds amazing. That's so

45:48

great on a set. Well, think about it. He's...

45:51

Because he co-created the show with me and so he's

45:53

in the writer's room. So by

45:56

the time the scripts get to me, he

45:58

knows what pushes my buttons. He'll

46:00

say, he'll go, my dad will hate

46:02

this. Or he'll say, my

46:05

dad will. And that's not true, he never says dad. He

46:07

says, Rob will hate this. Wait, does he

46:09

always call you Rob or just in the writer's room?

46:11

Well, it's a new thing. Do none of your

46:13

kids, do they call you Mom? No,

46:15

all my step-kids call me Cheryl, but Kat.

46:17

So Kat's the only one that I gave

46:19

birth to. Yes. But she calls

46:22

me Mom. She's never called me Cheryl, but that would

46:24

be... Oh, I'm surprised she hasn't caught on

46:26

to that trend. Oh my gosh. Because that's

46:28

a little bit of a thing. Boy,

46:32

part of it comes from that thing where

46:34

they go, dad, dad,

46:36

dad, Rob. And then

46:38

you turn. Right, right.

46:41

So I think that's where it started. Right.

46:44

But probably in your case, too,

46:47

might make one

46:49

feel like they're young

46:51

and kid-like. Yeah,

46:55

for sure. And they don't want to play

46:57

the... Although everybody... He doesn't want to play

46:59

my dad card. Yeah, yeah. That's so funny.

47:01

That's a tough one. Was it tough to

47:03

hear? I

47:07

saw other kids doing it to their parents. It's

47:11

legitimately happening. It's out

47:13

there. Yeah, in their little clique of

47:15

friends. So yeah. Okay. I

47:20

got to prepare myself for that if I

47:22

can. She's 19, so she's

47:24

a different generation. Maybe that thing has

47:26

passed and you

47:28

skated on it. I doubt it. It's probably just

47:30

about the hit. What

47:33

is your next few months like? My

47:36

next few months, like you said,

47:38

for your enthusiasm, this is our

47:40

final season. And

47:42

it's... Unbelievable. Was it

47:44

sad when it wrapped? Can I just say this? Here's

47:47

what I make up about it. It's

47:49

always been, are we going to do more

47:51

of this? Maybe we'll do more of this. I don't know if we'll

47:53

do this. Maybe not do more of this. So it wasn't like it

47:56

was this... It wasn't like you were on

47:58

Law & Order SVU. Right. Where

48:00

all of a sudden it's over and you

48:02

can't fucking believe it. It's like It's

48:06

I think it was maybe always a surprise that you

48:08

got to do more of it That's exactly how it

48:10

had been it has been In

48:12

like, you know like breaking up with

48:14

somebody and it doesn't really stick and

48:16

it's like, okay, we're about we're back.

48:19

We're back So we were gonna

48:21

break up but we didn't so everything,

48:23

you know every even since season

48:25

one, you know Larry said listen,

48:27

this is probably it. So I

48:30

remember wrapping season one and feeling

48:32

sad like oh man That was

48:34

so fun. I wish this wasn't

48:36

over. I think there was another

48:38

season when Leon

48:42

came the blacks came and

48:45

I don't remember what the final episode

48:47

was but I remember driving home Really

48:49

sad. I think I cried because I'm

48:51

like wow it is over This

48:54

is so tense And

48:56

then we did the Seinfeld reunion, you know,

48:59

and after that I was like, wow, this

49:01

is so sad. It's over So

49:04

you're right now it's you know

49:08

25 years later and it it it is Sad

49:13

I've cried a lot of tears through the years.

49:15

Yes And

49:18

the day we were shooting I mean

49:20

you'll appreciate this more than anybody, you know

49:22

our last day and last

49:25

day anyway that we were all shooting together

49:27

and we get there and everybody's kind of

49:29

Sad and oh my gosh, I

49:31

can't believe this is so, you know,

49:33

and everybody's hugging each other and and

49:37

Then the day goes on right and now

49:39

it's somebody needs

49:41

a snack and their chair is

49:43

uncomfortable and how much longer and

49:46

Are we gonna is this gonna can I

49:48

can you wrap me out because I've been

49:50

here for a long time Right, you got

49:53

all my coverage. I already said all my lines.

49:55

Do I'd still be here? Like

49:59

oh my god Yeah, let's wrap it.

50:03

These guys, we can't go on

50:05

any longer with these guys. But

50:08

of course it was sad. But

50:11

it does feel like every season,

50:16

I was shocked that we had

50:18

12 seasons. So I feel great. You've

50:21

been on the air so long with this

50:23

show. I can remember watching it when TVs

50:26

were this thick. Like

50:31

literally a TV was so thick that

50:34

it had to be in those cabinets that

50:36

you would pull out and pull out the wall.

50:40

Now they're just on the wall. Like

50:43

a picture. It's

50:45

crazy. Yeah, and if one of

50:47

those TVs broke, forget about

50:49

it. What weighed a thousand pounds?

50:51

They weighed a thousand pounds. You're not getting

50:54

anybody out there to pick it. Nobody

50:56

cares. You

50:58

don't have enough friends that can move that

51:00

thing out of your apartment. That's

51:02

how long it's been. And Larry

51:05

being... Larry,

51:07

was he like, goodbye. It's

51:09

been great. Or was he like... I

51:12

did this interview with a Hollywood

51:15

Reporter. And I was

51:17

telling him, yeah, it was really sad.

51:21

The last day was really sad. And it was

51:23

hard. And then when I read

51:25

the article, he had also talked to Larry.

51:29

And Larry was like, actually, I didn't have any

51:31

emotions at all. And

51:33

I had told the writer, I said, you

51:36

know, because he said, how was Larry? And I said, he

51:38

was kind of quiet. And I think

51:40

that's Larry's way. He gets quiet.

51:43

Larry says, yeah, I didn't have any emotions. Yeah,

51:46

I didn't. I didn't have... I didn't have much

51:48

to say about it. He's

51:50

like, yeah, I'll see all these people again. I'm lucky

51:52

to... What am I gonna do? I still

51:54

go to Tascana. So

52:00

it was really baby laughing like, yeah,

52:02

that's about right. It's

52:05

amazing. Oh, I'm psyched. It's one of

52:07

my all time favorites. It's

52:09

on the, it's on

52:12

the, it's on the, it's

52:14

lined up and this, and I will not watch 10

52:16

minutes of it. Yeah, I kind of get it. I'm,

52:18

you know, I'm like, I like to better when it

52:20

was the honeymooners or whatever. What

52:25

it was called by honeymooners. That's

52:28

how I take my relationship comedies

52:30

black and white and old. What

52:32

if I take Larry and I say, Oh,

52:35

I was actually just talking to Rob Lowe. Is

52:37

eight is a perp based on the honeymooners?

52:39

Cause that's what he thinks. That's

52:42

amazing. Oh

52:45

my God. Please do. If

52:50

I could get under Larry David's skin,

52:52

it would really make

52:54

me happy. That's the way

52:56

to do it. That is the way to do

52:58

it. It's the only way. It's the

53:01

only way is to accuse him

53:03

of somehow, uh, borrowing

53:06

an idea from uncredited.

53:09

Yeah. That one, that would

53:11

make him know he, that

53:14

would make him lose it. Oh my God.

53:16

Wouldn't that be, we're starting that now. We're starting

53:19

that here on this starting. Don't tell anybody that

53:21

this was a bit that we concocted. We're

53:24

just going to make sure he finds out about it. Um,

53:26

well, good luck with, uh, cobalt. Thank

53:29

you. Cobalt, cobalt

53:31

is traveling. Cobalt is going to

53:33

a Marine one cobalt is, uh,

53:36

Oh, and I expect to be invited to camp David.

53:38

Oh yeah. Okay. Here's a

53:40

shithole. That's what I was

53:42

about to ask you. Shithole. I can't

53:45

imagine it being anything other

53:47

than just some weird

53:50

cabins or just like Oh yeah.

53:52

Lot proper log cabins. Yes.

53:55

And you know, you know, that smell

53:57

like the, like the clean. Yeah,

54:00

something's been moldy

54:02

for a while and everybody overlooked it. But I still

54:05

want to go badly. I only want to go to

54:07

the bad things. Camp David and the

54:09

State of the Union. Done

54:12

and done. Done

54:15

and done.

54:18

And I'll do a reading at

54:20

the inaugural. What's my reading? We

54:23

need to think of what my reading is. Because you always

54:25

have to have somebody give a dramatic reading. There's

54:29

always some poet that comes up and

54:31

does something. Yes, yes. I

54:33

guess Larry's probably doing it. Could you even

54:36

imagine? Can you imagine? We

54:39

might have found the issue. We

54:41

might have found the issue, the

54:44

swing state issue. Who

54:46

doesn't want to see Larry David at

54:49

the inaugural? Do the

54:51

poem at the inauguration. Yeah.

54:55

I think this is it. We just

54:57

came up with a 10-point bump for

54:59

Bobby. The platform. He's welcome. He's

55:01

welcome. I can't wait to tell both of them.

55:06

That's why I play campaign strategist

55:08

on Teddy Vigen. Amazing. Thank

55:13

you, darling. This is great. I hope I see you sooner or

55:15

later. Let's go ski or do something. Okay, let's do

55:17

it. It's

55:26

a fun game. Thinking of your own Secret

55:28

Service codename. I turn it over to

55:30

you. Because you never know.

55:33

Anybody can be present at this point. Might as well

55:35

be you. And you better have

55:37

a Secret Service codename. Ready to go.

55:43

Hello. You've reached literally in

55:45

our lowdown line where you

55:48

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55:50

about me, Rob Lowe. 323-570-4551. So have at it. Here's the

55:52

beep. Well,

56:02

hello Rob Lowe. This is

56:05

Betsy calling from the wild

56:07

windy cold Cheyenne, Wyoming. And

56:10

I have been your biggest man since the 80s.

56:13

I think I've seen everything you've ever

56:16

done and I'm constantly amazed

56:18

and blown away by how you continue

56:21

to stay relevant and reinvent

56:24

yourself. Blown away

56:26

by the floor right now. I love it so

56:28

much and I'm not a game show watcher,

56:31

but love your interaction with the

56:33

contestants, love the ideas, easy to

56:36

follow. It's fun.

56:38

You don't have to be a genius to watch it. I

56:40

love the categories. On one of

56:43

your podcasts, you mentioned you had a dream,

56:45

I believe you said, where this came about.

56:47

I would love to hear more about

56:50

the dream and how it developed into

56:52

this game show. And I've

56:54

heard you say other things like

56:56

to Robert Downey Jr. about dreaming

56:58

about his compound, as

57:00

you called it. So just curious, want

57:02

to know a little bit about the

57:05

dreams. My husband and I both experienced

57:07

the dreams. So wanted to know more.

57:10

Thank you so much. Bye bye. Oh,

57:12

thanks for checking in, Betsy. So

57:17

it wasn't the floor idea

57:19

that came to me in the dream, although

57:22

I'm so happy with everybody

57:25

loving the floor so much. It was an

57:27

idea for a new game

57:29

show that Fox has

57:31

also bought. And

57:34

we are developing and hopefully we'll come to the

57:36

air sometime soon

57:38

called Word Bridge. And,

57:40

you know, they say Alexander the

57:42

Great got all of his battle plans

57:45

in that area of

57:47

sleep. Right. You're just

57:49

about to you're kind of you're trying to go

57:51

to sleep, but you're not really asleep, but you

57:53

think you are asleep, but you think you're not

57:56

asleep. You know, that little moment. And

57:58

that's what I had this. this idea just

58:00

come to me. I wasn't thinking about game

58:03

shows. I wasn't thinking about my producing career,

58:06

any of that stuff. It

58:09

just came to me fully

58:11

formed. And the problem

58:13

with that is you got to wake up and write them down and I

58:15

never want to wake up. That's what's

58:17

great about our smartphones

58:19

is I just called out to the

58:21

smartphone and did a voice

58:24

memo. And then when I woke up in the

58:26

morning, it actually made sense. Lo and behold.

58:28

So it's called vivid dreaming. And

58:31

you kind of got to work at it. You got

58:33

to meditate. Prayer

58:35

also helps, unless you're lucky enough to

58:37

just have it happen to you. But do

58:39

your research on vivid dreaming. It's very, very cool. And

58:42

you're lucky if you can do it. Anyway, thanks for

58:44

the question. See you next week. You've

58:47

been listening to Literally with Rob

58:49

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58:51

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