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Molly Ringwald. She

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is. And she remains. And

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I'm putting that out for you

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guys for your holiday cheer.

1:10

A look back at our talk that we

1:12

had. Lots of good

1:15

80s nostalgia is

1:17

revisited here with Miss Ringwald.

1:21

Hello. Hi. Nice to see you again.

1:24

You know that you were voted idol of

1:26

the millennium or something? And

1:29

I was number two? Wow, that's pretty impressive. I

1:31

mean, I guess that's an accomplishment of some

1:34

kind when you're firmly in middle age. I'm

1:49

trying to think, is the last, it can't be that the

1:51

last time we saw each other was when we worked together,

1:54

can it? Because that was a bazillion years ago. I

1:56

think that was actually the last time we saw

1:58

each other. Oh my God. For those of

2:01

you who don't know, we did the Stand

2:03

Together, the great Stephen King miniseries.

2:05

I loved that miniseries. Did you like it as

2:07

much as I did? I loved it. I

2:09

did. I really did. I know

2:11

that they just did a new one, which

2:13

seemed like a sort of odd timing,

2:16

either really great timing or

2:18

really terrible timing. Right? Yeah.

2:21

I didn't see that one. But yeah, I really did like

2:23

the one that we did together. I thought it was special

2:26

in a good way. I'll tell you what was really

2:28

special about it is Stephen King was there

2:30

all the time and he adapted it. And

2:33

super nice guy. Right? Super

2:35

nice guy. And I remember going to a

2:37

lot of...we shot it all in Utah and I remember going

2:40

to a lot of Utah jazz games with

2:42

Stephen King. And there was this great moment where we were

2:44

walking through a parking garage and we

2:46

were just kind of silent. We

2:48

kind of couldn't find the car for a minute and he was like,

2:51

parking garages are scary. I

2:54

want to write. I want to write about a parking garage.

2:56

I was like, you know when Stephen King is scared in

2:59

a parking garage? Yeah. Scary.

3:02

And I'm sure he did write it like in a day. Speaking

3:04

of writing, I went back and reread a lot

3:06

of your writing. I love your writing so much.

3:08

Thank you. I really, really do.

3:10

I was trying to think of why, like what

3:13

it is that I respond to in your style. And

3:17

I think you have a tremendous clarity and

3:19

insight. But

3:23

you don't write in a showy way

3:25

and yet it's totally evocative. And

3:28

it's like...there's a great quote I have

3:31

on my desk that Da Vinci said is, simplicity

3:34

is the ultimate sophistication. I've

3:36

taken to collecting really good quotes. And

3:40

I think you kind of write in that style. Have

3:44

you...who's your favorite? Do you have a

3:46

favorite? Like

3:48

Celebrity Memoir? And then was the David Niven books. I

3:50

don't know if you've ever read those. You know, I

3:53

don't think I've read a lot

3:55

of Celebrity Memoir books.

3:57

I think when I read

3:59

it's most... It's mostly

4:01

fiction. I think that's kind of what's

4:05

always kind of drawn me in.

4:08

I think the Louise Brooks, though.

4:11

I think I was always, whenever

4:13

I read a celebrity biography,

4:16

it's usually somebody that

4:19

I'm sort of interested in for

4:21

some reason, maybe thinking about playing

4:23

her in a movie. I

4:25

don't know. So the last

4:27

one that I really remember loving was

4:29

Lulu in Hollywood. That's a good one. I

4:32

really like the ones where it's

4:34

pretty clear that the person is

4:37

writing it themselves. Or

4:39

if they're ghost-ridden, it's so

4:43

well ghost-ridden that it doesn't take you out

4:45

of it. But I think there's

4:47

a few that really write. I

4:50

think Mia writes her own. Julie Andrews,

4:52

I read hers. It's pretty great. Yeah. I

4:56

have so much admiration for writers. In

5:01

my experience, it's such a sort of

5:03

difficult and torturous thing

5:05

to do as opposed to acting, which

5:07

I've been doing since the day I

5:09

was born. So it's a little

5:11

easier. But writing is,

5:13

I don't know, I just have so much

5:15

respect for writers. So

5:18

when somebody manages to do it well,

5:20

it's inspiring. The

5:23

first time that people were aware of your

5:25

writing was when you wrote about John Hughes

5:27

after he passed. Do you think the New

5:29

Yorker piece probably? I think it was for

5:31

me, I know. I think getting

5:33

published in the New Yorker for anyone

5:35

is sort of like the pinnacle. I mean,

5:38

if you want to be published anywhere, it's

5:40

sort of just like a stamp. Like,

5:44

OK, this person's an actual

5:46

writer. They're not a dilettante.

5:50

But I've been writing for years. I've

5:53

been writing sort of book reviews and profiles.

5:57

I had a friend who is a

5:59

writer. writer named

6:01

Dave Daly. I don't know if you've read his

6:03

book. It's about he kind

6:05

of wrote the book on gerrymandering called

6:08

Wow. Yeah, called rat fucked. I love

6:10

that title. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's what

6:12

they that's what they call it. So

6:15

he he before he was

6:17

writing full time, he was a, an

6:20

editor and a publisher. And he was one of

6:22

those people that just, I

6:24

don't know, kind of encouraged

6:28

me to write at a time when I didn't

6:30

think that I necessarily could, or

6:32

that, let's put it this way. I didn't

6:34

think that anyone would accept me as a

6:36

writer, because I sort of grew up in

6:38

this time, as did you, but I'm a

6:40

woman aware, you're only supposed to do one

6:42

thing, you know, and if you do

6:44

anything else, then no one's going to take you seriously. And

6:46

you know, and so I like to sing and I like

6:49

to write, but I thought, no one's going to take me

6:51

seriously as a writer. And my friend Dave was

6:53

just relentless with here, I want you to,

6:55

you know, he knew that I liked, for

6:57

instance, the magnetic fields, and he would say,

6:59

I want you to write, are you interested

7:01

in doing a profile on Stephen Merritt, you

7:03

know, or whatever. And so

7:05

he would just he was the person that kind of really

7:07

encouraged me and just sort of kept

7:10

me writing and then and then

7:12

I just got better, I think, because I don't

7:14

think anybody, well, maybe some people start as a

7:16

good writer, but I think it took me many

7:18

years to to really get better and

7:20

to really kind of call myself a writer. My

7:23

writing journey began with ghost

7:28

flag of a better term, ghost writing screenplays that I

7:30

would end up in like it'd be a script I'd

7:32

be in and I'd be like, yeah,

7:35

I'll do it. I don't

7:37

know. And then and then

7:39

you kind of like at lunch in your trailer, scribbling

7:42

out different speeches and what have you and

7:44

I did that a lot. And yeah, that's

7:46

a gotten Do you

7:48

ever do any ghost writing or like body and

7:50

fender work on any of your movies? Oh,

7:52

yeah, I definitely did. I mean, I

7:55

in the John Hughes movies that I did, you

7:58

know, so much of that was was

8:01

improvised. I mean the scripts were really great

8:03

to start out with but he was

8:05

really open to

8:07

improv and just

8:10

making shit up.

8:12

But I don't think

8:15

everybody was like him. I've worked with a lot

8:17

of people who are really precious about their writing

8:19

and make it really difficult

8:21

to change even one word and so after a

8:23

while you sort of throw up your hands a

8:25

little bit. But

8:28

in my experiences the best writers are actually

8:30

the ones that are the most open to

8:32

what you're talking about. I don't

8:34

know. Has that been your experience or? I

8:37

mean I would say that and then I think

8:39

of Aaron Sorkin who's a great writer and you

8:41

are not changing jack shit. Well

8:44

I was talking to Brad Whitford actually the

8:46

other day who you worked

8:48

with in Whitling and I said to

8:50

him what I just said to you and then

8:52

he brought up Aaron Sorkin and my response to

8:54

that is Aaron Sorkin is in his own, you

8:57

have like Shakespeare over here and I honestly think

8:59

you have Aaron Sorkin over here so he doesn't

9:01

count. We just like take him out of the

9:03

equation. Exactly. When he sees this thing,

9:05

Aaron you've made it. You're in the

9:07

same breath as Shakespeare.

9:12

You know what's funny is when

9:14

people talk about the brat pack they

9:16

always assume first of

9:18

all that maybe you and I had done more movies than we

9:20

did together. We never did. We never worked together at all until

9:22

the 90s and then I never was

9:24

in a John Hughes movie. John Hughes was not

9:26

calling my number and I've been thinking about it

9:29

for a while. I was like why

9:31

is it because I auditioned for Breakfast Club. Did

9:34

you? Yeah. For which part?

9:37

For Bender, for the

9:39

part that Judd Nelson played. Okay.

9:41

Did you get like did you go the

9:43

distance or did you just do one audition?

9:45

I don't think I barely made it out of my interview with

9:48

John. My

9:51

only memory was the script was great.

9:53

It was great. It was great. You were like oh this is going

9:55

to be great. I just remembered the

9:58

Bender character in the script were a cowboy hat

10:02

and the dog never forget his life I

10:04

promise you cuz nothing I would just like make

10:06

up and like why do I remember that I'm

10:10

telling you Molly in the original draft

10:13

Bender was wearing a cowboy and then of

10:15

course when I saw Judd with his you

10:17

know literally that is Judd Nelson's actual outfit

10:20

with the untied shoes that man

10:22

never tied a shoelace in his life well you

10:24

know what John did I don't know if you know

10:26

this but he asked me to do the

10:29

Breakfast Club just at 16 candles was

10:32

ending because he had actually already cast

10:34

it with local Chicago actors in fact

10:36

Joan Cusack was gonna play Allison and

10:39

John I think was gonna play Bender

10:43

and then the studio wanted to do 16

10:45

candles first because it was much more I

10:47

don't know like I mean even though it

10:49

was a female lead it was kind of

10:51

more of the teen movies that everyone was

10:53

used to in terms of like big parties and

10:55

you know all that stuff so

10:58

so then he offered me a

11:01

part at the end of that and I remember reading

11:03

it on a plane he wanted me

11:06

to play Allison at first and

11:08

I lobbied for the role of Claire who was

11:10

called Kathy at the time I like

11:13

lobbied hard I was like please you know no one

11:15

would ever think of me in this broad they'd only

11:18

think of me as the weird girl and you know

11:20

the introvert and all of that and so and so

11:22

then I did it but by

11:24

the time that we got to I think

11:26

this was I think we filmed in February

11:28

and he had offered it to me at the end of

11:30

summer by the time we actually got to

11:33

rehearsal he called me up and he's like are

11:35

you excited and I was like yeah but you

11:38

know it's a really different script

11:41

and he's like what do you mean and I said I you know

11:43

it's just like so different than the one that I read and he

11:46

was like huh and then the

11:48

next day he brought in a stack of

11:50

Breakfast Club scripts that he had written and

11:53

he just handed them out to all of

11:55

us and and instead

11:57

okay pick your favorite pick your favorite

11:59

part And these speeches just got put

12:01

back in and characters

12:04

were caught because he was trying

12:06

to appease the studio, you know? So

12:08

he had like a new teacher

12:10

swimming and he had this and

12:12

that. But he always

12:14

maintained that his scripts really never

12:16

got a lot better in rewrites. He

12:19

didn't like to rewrite because he felt like

12:22

they just didn't get better. So I mean

12:24

I've never experienced that before where a writer-director

12:26

was like, pick your favorite part. By

12:29

the way, if you take nothing else at

12:31

all away from this conversation, just know that

12:33

the way to appease the studio is nude

12:35

teachers swimming. Back

12:38

in the day, that was it. That's

12:40

what they're looking for. Yeah, I used to, I

12:42

always knew that on page 72, I had the page 72 rule. On

12:46

page 72, invariably, that would be when the

12:48

character they wanted me to play would be

12:51

nude. It was

12:53

always on page 72, always. And

12:55

what did you do? Did you do it? Did you

12:57

turn it down? Did you have a body double? What?

13:00

Sometimes I did it. Sometimes I turned it

13:02

down. But it was always on page, I

13:04

think every script written in the 80s, if

13:06

you can get it on microfiche at the

13:09

library, my favorite word. On

13:13

page 72, you'll see the characters

13:15

having something steamy. Just,

13:17

yeah, like, you know, nude teachers swim.

13:19

That's what they do. And you know,

13:21

that's what they do up at school.

13:23

Come on. Yeah. Yeah,

13:26

teachers like to hang out on a

13:28

Saturday and just swim nude in the

13:30

school pool. Like any teacher is going

13:32

to want to be at a school

13:34

where they work on a Saturday. It

13:37

made absolutely no sense. But the other

13:39

part is somebody has to be watching, of course. Oh,

13:41

of course. Of course. Of course. Yeah,

13:43

you got to make it as creepy as possible. Like

13:45

if you swim nude and nobody watches, did it really,

13:48

did you really swim nude? Did it, did it

13:50

happen? Did it happen? That's

13:52

really the question. Yeah, so

13:55

I auditioned for John. And it's,

13:57

listen, it's not like John only made one or two movies that

13:59

I would. would have been right for. I mean let's

14:01

fucking get real for a minute. I could have been

14:03

in a lot of John Hughes movies. Nope.

14:07

No ringy-dingy. No phone call.

14:10

No incoming phone call. He was not having what

14:12

I was selling and I've spent a lot of

14:14

time trying to figure out what it is and

14:16

here's what I think it is. Here's my philosophy

14:19

and I know you have many philosophies on John

14:21

and I've in not and just from

14:23

a 50,000 foot view I think

14:26

you're spot-on but I think and

14:28

would you think would be unfair to

14:31

say that John had a little bit of Svengali

14:33

in him? Oh yeah

14:35

definitely. Yeah well I

14:38

was a lot of things but

14:40

I was definitely not the kind of person that

14:43

you went ooh that's a guy who needs

14:45

his Svengali. I

14:49

think I think you were I think you were probably

14:51

too good looking for him. I think

14:53

he was you know he was very

14:56

he was very intimidated by you know very

14:58

good looking guys and I mean you're still

15:01

a good looking guy but like at the

15:03

at the time I mean no

15:05

you're a great looking guy I mean let's be

15:07

let's be real here but at the time I

15:09

think you were just like Apollo and I think

15:12

and and he was super intimidated

15:14

by that. God do

15:17

you want a cowboy hat? I couldn't take the curse off

15:19

of it. Wait a minute I want to know

15:21

did you go to the audition with a cowboy hat? No

15:23

oh here's the other thing here's the

15:25

other thing it was a straw cowboy

15:28

hat not just any cowboy hat. I

15:30

was thinking straw I guess

15:32

I guess it's kind of a Midwestern thing.

15:34

It is

15:37

yeah no I straw cowboy hats

15:39

are definitely like rural Indiana,

15:43

rural Illinois for sure you can get

15:45

you can get away with it but

15:48

no I'm not a hat guy I've never been able to

15:50

pull off a hat and I knew that if I did

15:52

put on the hat there's no way I was getting the

15:54

part. So

15:58

what was he like in the audition? I

16:00

actually never auditioned for John. So

16:03

I'm always curious to know what

16:05

that experience was like for other

16:07

people. I mean really

16:10

I think the only, he was unremarkable.

16:12

The only reason I remember it is because I knew it was

16:14

going to be, it was a very, a movie

16:17

everybody wanted to be in and it was

16:19

really going to be good and you know

16:21

like you've said before is, you know

16:23

this was a, Breakfast Cup to this day

16:25

I show it, I mean

16:27

it is for me the movie of the

16:29

80s. It stands up, I mean there's stuff

16:31

in it clearly that's very, very dated which

16:33

you've written eloquently about but it's

16:36

like revolutionary. Like along with

16:38

Fast Times, along with Fast Times at

16:41

Ridger and High, like they're real movies.

16:43

Yeah. And you know we weren't offered

16:45

movies like that. They weren't making movies like that.

16:47

So to be in a, you know

16:49

a real movie was an exciting

16:52

thing although it was not to be and I blame

16:54

the fucking cowboy hat. Hang

16:56

on, I'm just going to let my dogs in because they're going

16:58

to win. Yeah, let them in. I

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What kind of dogs you got there over there? Oh,

18:25

I have a few. I have

18:27

five. I have three

18:29

dogs. I have

18:32

a little tiny dog. Oh,

18:35

yes. This is Millie Ringwald.

18:38

Millie Ringwald. Millie Ringwald,

18:40

yes. That's the greatest. Has her

18:42

own Instagram. I

18:44

mean, come on. Like, this

18:47

needs their own Instagram. She needs

18:49

her own Time Magazine cover. Yes, she

18:51

does. Why don't you do

18:53

that? Ain't she sweet? Ain't

18:55

she sweet? I remember. By the way, I

18:58

remembered that that's what the tagline was. Yeah.

19:00

Yeah. How can you forget? I

19:03

wasn't crazy about that. When I saw that, I

19:05

was like, okay, there you are. Now

19:09

you're going to be typecast pretty much for the

19:11

next 40 years. How did that...

19:13

When they tell you you're going to be on the cover of Time Magazine,

19:15

and how old were you? 18? Yeah,

19:18

I was 18. What's that

19:20

like? I got the cover of

19:22

BOP Magazine. That's where

19:24

my career was. Tiger E. I

19:28

didn't understand that it was as big

19:30

of a deal as it was. It

19:34

was actually Warren Beatty,

19:37

who I'm still friends with, who was the

19:39

one to tell me that it was a

19:42

really, really big deal. Because I was like, I

19:45

was really psyched about 17 magazine. I

19:47

mean, I was a kid. And since Time Magazine, I

19:49

just didn't... I wasn't reading Time

19:51

Magazine at the time. I didn't really care

19:54

all that much about it, but I knew

19:56

that everybody else really cared about it. And

19:59

of course, now I really... realized that it was a

20:01

big deal. Today,

20:03

now that no one cares about Time

20:05

Magazine or any of the magazines, they

20:07

care. Yeah, that's right. That's true. But

20:09

I still feel like it's, you know,

20:11

it's an honor. Like, I remember going

20:13

to a party in the 90s

20:15

where everyone who was ever on the cover

20:17

of Time was

20:19

invited to, with the exception of

20:22

three people. And see if

20:24

you can guess who those three people were who were not

20:26

invited. Okay, what time, what, you need to know what

20:28

year it was? This was like 90,

20:30

late 90s. Mo

20:35

Mark Godoffee? He,

20:39

well, I don't know if he was invited, but

20:41

no, that's not one of the three. Monica

20:43

Lewinsky. Yes. Bing,

20:45

bing, bing, bing, bing. Bing, bing, bing, and two

20:47

more. Hang on. Hang on now.

20:51

Hang on now. Okay,

20:53

who are the other two? Who are the other two? Ken

20:56

Starr. Yes. And

20:58

OJ Simpson. Yeah, Jay could make it.

21:03

Yeah, those are the, and everybody else.

21:05

I mean, I invited my friend Victoria,

21:07

and it was one of these

21:09

experiences. I mean, I'm sure you've had these experiences

21:11

where you're just like, wow, anybody that I would

21:13

ever want to meet is in this room. And,

21:16

you know, and who is it? Like, who do

21:18

I really want to talk to or have a

21:20

conversation with? And so my friend,

21:22

I'm pretty shy. But my

21:24

friend who I invited is not at all. I

21:26

mean, she will meet and talk to anyone. And

21:29

I always like to be around people like that

21:31

because it makes me a lot more outgoing. And

21:34

she said, let's pick two people each and

21:36

go and meet them and talk to them.

21:38

And I said, okay, so my

21:40

two people were Anita Hill and

21:42

Toni Morrison. And her two

21:44

people were Bill Gates

21:47

and Gorbachev. I mean, I mean,

21:51

it's by the way, that sounds like an

21:53

actual dream. Yeah, I'm Anita Hill.

21:56

And then I talked to Gorbachev. It sounds like a

21:58

dream. Yeah, it was pretty cool. And

22:00

everybody seemed really excited to be

22:03

there and happy to be social.

22:05

And it felt kind of exciting.

22:10

So when I think about Time Magazine and

22:13

what that means, I felt pretty proud to

22:15

be. Because

22:17

I've never gotten awards or been

22:19

nominated for anything. I think

22:21

I was nominated for one thing,

22:25

like Best Newcomer at the Golden

22:27

Globe Awards, but lost out to

22:29

Sandal Berkman, who was in

22:31

that movie Red Sonja. Yeah, Red

22:34

Sonja. What are you going to do? Red

22:36

Sonja beat me. I've lost to

22:38

a long line of luminaries, believe

22:40

me. Tell

22:44

me, because I'm a huge Warren Beatty fan,

22:47

and know him a little bit, but not like

22:49

you do and not like a lot of my

22:51

friends do. I mean, he's one

22:53

of my idols, who I

22:55

kind of thought

22:58

like he was it. I did have one great, one

23:01

amazing evening

23:03

at his house, where he screened

23:05

a Burt Reynolds double feature. He

23:07

had just won the Oscar for Reds. You

23:09

just won it. And the

23:12

notion that he had to really do a

23:14

deep dive on Burt Reynolds' oeuvre

23:16

kind of made me laugh. Yeah, I wonder

23:19

what he was doing. I mean, he must have

23:21

been researching something. I just remember

23:23

him turning to me in the screening room. I mean,

23:25

he insisted that I, yeah, I was with my girlfriend,

23:27

and he was with his girlfriend of the moment, and

23:30

he insisted that I sit next to him. And

23:32

that in halfway through the movie, he turned to

23:34

me and he goes, hmm, yes, I see. And

23:37

I went, he goes, yes, you see, he's

23:39

using so many long lenses. And

23:42

I remember going, whoa, oh my

23:45

God, how does he

23:48

know what lens? Yeah,

23:51

he's pretty amazing to

23:54

talk to, and not

23:56

just about his technological prowess

23:58

and his understanding. of the

24:00

films but he pretty

24:03

much has met everyone. Not

24:05

just met but has had a conversation

24:09

or a story about everyone and

24:11

I really wish that he would write his

24:15

memoir because I know a lot of the

24:17

stories but I've never written them down and

24:19

I think it's just so interesting and fascinating

24:21

and there's just not that many people in

24:24

our business that are left

24:27

that have that kind of access to

24:29

old Hollywood, old

24:34

theater and he

24:36

had an experience with Marilyn Monroe.

24:40

That story is amazing, the Marilyn Monroe story. I'll

24:44

butcher it, I've heard it apocryphal

24:46

a bunch but... I

24:50

was going through your credits and were you in

24:55

the short film of Sling Blade?

24:58

I was. What? Yeah, it

25:00

was interesting. I was living in France at

25:02

the time and kind of, I

25:05

would say I put my career

25:07

firmly on the back burner but

25:10

stuff was still sent to my parents' house and

25:14

it was my mom who called me up

25:16

in Paris and she was like, you

25:19

know, there's this script that

25:21

I got that I just, I

25:23

think is really interesting and it

25:25

was this short film called, some

25:27

folks call it The Sling Blade and

25:29

I came back to shoot it.

25:32

It was not directed by Billy Bob, it

25:34

was directed by a man who

25:37

has since died named George Hickenlooper. Did you know him? Oh,

25:40

I know the name, I didn't know he was involved in that. Yeah,

25:44

so he directed it and Billy

25:47

Bob was in it and I

25:49

played the reporter who

25:52

comes to interview him at the

25:54

hospital and it

25:56

was really interesting because when

25:58

we met before... at a

26:01

diner or something. He said, you know, I

26:03

kind of do this character. I don't

26:06

know, do you want me to just, you know, wait? Do

26:09

you want me to do it now or do you want

26:11

to wait? And I was like, you know, save it, save

26:13

it. I want to see it like

26:15

the first time. So the first time

26:17

that I ever saw him do it,

26:19

the camera was on me. And that

26:22

was like completely authentic.

26:25

I mean, I was not acting in that. I

26:27

was just amazed. And

26:29

he was amazing. He completely transformed

26:31

and, and yeah, it was extraordinary.

26:33

I was really happy to be

26:35

a part of that. I

26:38

was not so happy that he didn't call

26:40

me back to be a part of the

26:42

movie. I sort of was really bummed out

26:44

about that. But I guess the movie really

26:46

didn't focus on on that. It really focused

26:48

on him outside of the hospital. I

26:50

don't even remember the reporter being in the movie.

26:53

Yeah, yeah, I don't think I don't think it was.

26:55

But yeah, that was really,

26:58

really something that character. People

27:00

forget and I know

27:02

Billy a little bit. In fact, Billy is the person who told

27:04

me I should write. He's

27:07

he was my guy that was like, you

27:09

should be writing. And

27:11

so I'm indebted to him. And I've always been

27:13

a huge fan. But he told

27:15

me the story. And I can't do a Billy Bob

27:17

Thornton impersonation. I used to be able to, but it's

27:19

been too long. But I wish I

27:22

could because it helps the story. But he said

27:24

he was sitting in some like honey wagon on

27:26

some awful movie that he hated

27:29

and waiting to act and just like,

27:31

is this is this my life? This is I'm

27:33

like the seventh lead in a

27:36

shitty movie up in

27:38

fucking some freezing Canadian town

27:40

in the middle of the winter. And he's

27:43

looking at himself in the mirror. And he

27:45

just made that face. He made

27:48

the Carl Slingblade face.

27:50

Yeah, this one. And then did it. Yeah.

27:54

Yeah. And

27:56

he started just fucking around like this

27:58

because he was bored just entertaining himself.

28:01

Yeah. And that was the

28:03

origin of Carl and that was the

28:05

origin of Slingblade. And

28:07

then he told me he wrote short. And

28:10

I said, wait, it was a short? And then to

28:12

see that you were in it. It's definitely one of

28:14

my cooler credits, like that one and like

28:16

Jean-Luc Godard, I kind of like put

28:18

that and working with Cassavetes, I put

28:21

all of those sort of at the top of the list. Yeah.

28:25

Do you still talk to him? I haven't seen

28:27

him in a long time. I talk

28:29

to him a lot when he was...because

28:32

my best friend who passed

28:34

away a few years ago was Bill Paxton. And

28:36

Bill and he were really, really good buddies and

28:38

did numerous movies together.

28:42

One False Move is a

28:44

great Sam Raimi movie. So that was sort of my

28:48

intersection with Billy Bob.

28:51

God, I love him. I

28:53

can't believe I'm so jealous. Who else was in

28:55

the movie? I

28:58

feel like it was like shot in a black box

29:00

with a dangling light and it's just you and Billy.

29:03

That's what I feel like it was like. Yeah. No,

29:05

it was another really fantastic actor

29:08

who I think might have been

29:10

in the actual movie.

29:14

And I'm blanking on his name. It's

29:16

J.T. Walsh. Yeah. I

29:19

think that was him. I bet it was. He

29:21

was another patient. Yeah, it's him. He's insane.

29:24

He's unbelievable. Yeah,

29:26

he's died since then. He

29:29

was amazing. Suzanne Cryer played the...

29:32

Do you know Suzanne Cryer? That

29:35

was her first job. She came

29:37

out of Yale drama and had never

29:39

even been on film before. And I

29:41

remember telling her what Marx were and

29:44

they're kind of like, favor the camera

29:46

a little bit. And

29:48

then of course she went on to have a great career.

29:50

I'm trying to think of who else was in it. Billy

29:52

Bob. Oh, oh. What's the role within

29:55

it is Jefferson Mays. Oh. Jefferson

29:58

Mays. Great actors. Yeah. great

30:00

actor. Yeah, it was a really

30:02

cool project. Do you ever feel, because

30:04

you've been acting as you were literally, you're

30:06

not kidding, like a

30:09

baby, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

30:11

So that's stuff like favorite

30:13

of the camera, what marks are.

30:15

It's so in your DNA. Yeah.

30:17

Like it's just, it's like, it's in your DNA you don't even

30:19

think about it, haven't thought about it in years. And then you

30:22

work with somebody who's brand, brand, brand new and

30:24

you're like, oh, bless them. Yeah.

30:26

Listen, if you can't see the

30:28

camera, the camera can't

30:31

see you. Yeah. Do you

30:33

have to do that with Emilio Estebas? You did, didn't you?

30:35

You had to be like,

30:38

Emilio, these are marks. I know

30:40

your Papa didn't have them in

30:42

the jungle. He was making apocalypse

30:45

now. This is a library set.

30:48

No, Emilio had done a few

30:50

things before, you know,

30:53

before we did breakfast club, right? Yeah.

30:55

He did repo man. He did, well,

30:57

of course, the outsiders. Yeah. He did a

30:59

few stuff. Yeah. I mean, all of those people, I mean,

31:01

I'm trying to

31:04

think. So Allie, I

31:06

did two movies with Emilio. I

31:09

did two movies with Judd. I

31:11

did one

31:13

movie with that. That's, that's,

31:15

that's the main group of the breakfast club,

31:17

right? Yeah. Well, Anthony Michael

31:20

Hall. Anthony Michael Hall. Never worked

31:22

with him. I loved him. He was

31:24

so good in those movies and still

31:26

is. He's an amazing actor. Yeah.

31:29

He really is. He, he's

31:32

so funny, so smart. I don't know if

31:34

you've been watching the Bo

31:36

Burnham inside. Of course.

31:38

There's something, I mean, I'm kind

31:41

of obsessed and you know, but

31:43

now I think I've watched it like five times all

31:45

the way through just because I'm so, I'm so

31:47

intrigued to know how he, how he did it.

31:49

Basically like I want to like take it apart

31:52

like a watch and put it back together again. But

31:55

there's something in Bo Burnham that reminds

31:57

me a lot of Anthony Michael Hall.

32:00

I don't know. It's like just

32:02

how incredibly smart and sharp and

32:05

also when I knew Michael, he

32:07

was really tall. Like he grew just overnight

32:10

to, you know, I think he's way over

32:12

six feet and he's kind of gangly and

32:15

you know, love George Carlin. There's just

32:17

something in the two of them that

32:19

I think is really similar. But

32:22

I haven't seen him for years. I

32:25

visited, I can't

32:27

remember what set it was. Which

32:29

one of your movies was

32:32

Joan Cusack in? She

32:34

was in Sixteen Candles. She

32:36

played the neck brace girl.

32:39

Right. That's, yes. And is Michael Schofling in that?

32:41

Yes, of course he is. He's the guy. Yeah,

32:44

Michael Schofling is the guy. I visited that

32:46

set. Didn't meet you, but I was there one day.

32:49

Really? In Chicago? In Chicago, yeah. I was

32:51

doing class. Oh yeah.

32:53

And John Cusack was in class. That's

32:55

right. Right. And Andrew

32:58

McCarthy. That's right. So I

33:00

came and I remember meeting everybody and then

33:02

my girlfriend at the time was going off to do

33:05

a movie with Michael Schofling then later and I was

33:07

like, ooh, that handsome little bastard. He's

33:10

very jealous of Michael Schofling. And

33:12

Michael Schofling just like disappeared. I

33:15

mean, I mean, just

33:17

completely from public eye anyway.

33:20

He just tapped out. He said, I've had enough.

33:22

I'm taking my winnings and leaving the casino of

33:24

Hollywood. Yeah. And I think he's

33:26

the last I heard he's like a carpenter.

33:28

I don't know if that's just like an

33:30

urban legend or what, but

33:32

I'm... No, that's Daniel Day-Lewis.

33:34

No, he's a tailor, isn't he?

33:37

Oh, that. Isn't he a

33:39

tailor or making shoes or something? Or is he a

33:42

cobbler? Maybe he's a cobbler. I

33:44

think it's a cobbler. He's making

33:46

cobbler. Daniel Day-Lewis's

33:48

fruit cobbler. That's

33:50

insane. Okay, I'm obsessed

33:53

with the pickup artist because here's what I

33:55

remember about the pickup artist. Okay.

33:58

That was another one that like... as

34:00

a young actor, everybody's like,

34:02

ooh, the pickup artist. Like,

34:06

James Toback, ooh, edgy

34:08

James Toback. And

34:11

Warren Beatty, he was like under

34:13

his auspices and everybody wanted to

34:15

be in it and it was

34:17

all very Mysterioso and, you

34:20

know, I just picture these meetings

34:22

at the Warren's Mulholland spaceship house.

34:25

And it's become this like mythical

34:27

movie to me. And

34:29

then there was the urban legend that

34:32

Toback is such an inveterate

34:34

gambler that he chose the locations to

34:37

be close to the off track betting sites. Have

34:40

you heard that one? Yeah,

34:42

that doesn't surprise me at

34:45

all. Yeah, it

34:47

was, wait, did you do any of the,

34:49

I know that Warren had a lot of

34:52

readings at his house sort of like trying out

34:54

different people. Did you ever do any of

34:57

those? No, again, you know, Warren, like John

34:59

Hughes, was not calling my number.

35:03

And I don't know what it means. I'm very

35:05

disappointed that my hero was not, I know.

35:08

But he's always said nice things about you. Oh,

35:11

I love hearing that. I'm

35:13

a huge Warren fan, what can I say? Just,

35:15

he's the man, but I was very, now I

35:17

remember why I remember it so much because I

35:19

was in therapy over it that I never got

35:21

to go to, you know? That

35:25

was a cool house though. You went to the

35:27

spaceship house, right? Right, okay, so my memory of

35:29

it, okay, this is great because I never, this

35:31

is, oh, thank you, because my memory of it

35:33

is it's a fucking spaceship. And

35:37

when I went, there was no

35:39

furniture, or very little furniture,

35:42

except the Oscar was

35:44

on the mantle for reds. And

35:48

he said, yeah, I'm sorry, I just haven't had

35:50

a chance to really furnish it. I've been away

35:52

shooting for a couple of years. I was like,

35:54

yeah, I know. I

35:56

think maybe you went to the spaceship house before I

35:59

did. Cause by the time. I I went

36:01

there there there was some

36:03

furniture not a lot It was not

36:05

it was a pretty sparse house, but

36:08

I remember this big huge grand piano

36:10

Yeah, I think that one then and

36:12

because Warren plays piano actually he did

36:14

piano bar before you know while he

36:16

was You know supporting himself as a

36:18

as an up-and-coming Actor

36:22

and then I remember you

36:24

know the next time I was there

36:26

There was just a Degas statue that

36:28

was just sort of Catholic place

36:31

on the piano What

36:34

you got the Degas I got the Oscar that's that's

36:36

that was his move just oh by the way Were

36:40

you were you always the feet like

36:43

like so who did you read with who are

36:45

the different people you came up and read? With up there at the

36:47

spaceship house I never

36:49

read with anyone But I I knew

36:51

that that readings were half like I

36:53

really wanted to do it because I

36:55

just really wanted to work with Warren Yeah,

36:58

you know I worse I mean I would have loved to

37:00

have you know been in a

37:02

movie that Warren directed and Warren kind of I

37:05

mean Toback was the director, but you know

37:07

Warren was involved so he was He

37:09

was directing everyone all the time

37:12

But I remember he would call me and say you

37:14

know what do you pay? Hey? What do you think?

37:17

What do you think of Demi Moore? What do

37:19

you think of you know Susie Amos?

37:21

What do you think of it? He would he would

37:23

ask me what I thought of all these other actresses

37:26

It was driving me crazy. I was like that's Cassie.

37:28

I want to be in it You

37:30

know but he was like I don't know if

37:32

this part is big enough for you You know

37:34

because this is after pretty and pink and you

37:36

know everything, but I like I actually really liked

37:38

the idea of Playing

37:40

supporting roles coming out of those movies. You know

37:43

I really wanted to kind of Not

37:45

feel like a movie was sitting on

37:47

my shoulders So

37:50

I like that idea and I like the script I

37:52

thought the script was funny, and you know of course

37:54

it would never get made today None

37:57

of them would yeah, I know

38:00

I mean

38:02

it's hard when you go through your

38:05

resume when one goes

38:07

through one's resume. I

38:10

mean Breakfast Club, I can't imagine that ever getting

38:12

made. It certainly wouldn't get made as a movie

38:14

to be in the movie theater if

38:17

barely at all. I mean. It'd

38:20

be made for absolutely a shoestring and

38:23

it would be a Sundance movie

38:25

if you're lucky. Yeah. Yeah.

38:28

And I kind of miss that. I can't really say. I

38:31

miss movies that aren't spectacles. I mean

38:33

I enjoy going to spectacles too. I

38:35

just went to see The Black Widow

38:38

with my kids and I'm not a

38:40

big superhero kind of movie but I

38:42

enjoyed it. But the part that I

38:44

enjoyed the most was the relationship with

38:46

the... The acting. Yeah. The

38:49

acting and the relationship between

38:51

Scarlett Johansson's character and Florence

38:54

Pugh. I

38:56

thought they were amazing. The reason

38:58

why it's a good movie is because you are

39:00

invested in these people. I

39:03

think you'd be great in a Marvel movie. As

39:06

a Marvel mastermind. I see

39:09

you as a mastermind though. Yes. Yeah.

39:12

With his hand. That

39:16

vibe. Yeah. I would

39:18

actually love that. I would love to play a supervillain.

39:20

By the way, just the notion

39:22

of you, your name, and guess

39:25

who's playing... I don't

39:27

know. Give me a supervillain name. Let's

39:31

make up your own. Well I

39:33

always thought... I mean it's not a

39:35

Marvel property. I think it's DC but

39:38

I thought if I ever did a supervillain

39:40

I would want to play bookworm. Oh great.

39:43

There you go. I mean... How cool

39:45

would that be? I think it'd be

39:47

super fucking hip. Yeah. Well

39:49

let's put it out there Rob. Let's put it out there

39:51

in the universe. Yeah. You

39:54

be bookworm. I want to be Green Hornet. Oh.

39:57

Okay. I believe I could be Green

39:59

Hornet. I mean, it could

40:01

happen. They're going to run out of actors at some point. At

40:04

some point, yeah. And I feel

40:06

like it would be such a great

40:08

opportunity to get in shape. I

40:11

really want to be put on that as Marvel diet. I

40:16

just, you know? Yes. Right?

40:19

And take whatever they're doing

40:21

to look like that. I

40:24

want some of that. I say that

40:26

same thing all the time ago. The whole point of being

40:28

in Marvel is to have, you

40:30

know, Doctor feel good. He probably carries

40:32

a Marvel doctor bag that has the

40:34

Marvel logo on it. And

40:37

he shows up to every actor who's

40:39

20 pounds overweight who just signed

40:41

to play the green henchmen or

40:43

whatever the fuck character it is and opens

40:45

up that bag. And the next thing you

40:47

know, you are on drugs and

40:50

you are just shredded. Yeah. You

40:52

don't know what hit you. That's what I

40:55

want. I mean,

40:57

it's quite something. Do you

40:59

think there's like a special floor at

41:01

the Marvel building where they have like actors

41:04

on treadmills, like where they

41:06

do animal experimentation except it's on actors. And

41:09

they're like, have you seen Camille Nijani?

41:11

Look at him. He's went

41:13

from a 36 inch waist to a 28 inch waist.

41:17

He's got a tortoiseshell abs. Yeah, I'm sure. They

41:19

are all ripped. I mean, they

41:21

just, they just, they just, they're all ripped.

41:24

I mean, they just, they all look better

41:26

than they will ever look in their entire life. So

41:30

yeah, I feel like if that

41:32

could happen, I would definitely be up for a

41:34

superhero movie. Do you

41:36

know that I never, you know who the

41:38

first person who ever got me to work

41:40

out was? Who? Okay,

41:43

let me know. This is a good game. Okay,

41:46

this is, oh, oh, I know who it is. I know who it is. I

41:48

know absolutely who it is. Who? Amelia,

41:50

it's Amelia. Totally. I knew

41:52

it. I knew it. I

41:55

never even, I don't even think I

41:57

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42:00

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42:02

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42:04

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42:07

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42:09

you know yeah, he hooked me up

42:11

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42:15

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42:17

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42:19

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42:21

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42:23

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42:25

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42:28

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42:30

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42:32

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42:34

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42:36

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42:39

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42:45

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42:48

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42:51

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42:53

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43:02

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43:04

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43:06

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Are you still friends with Emilio? I haven't

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seen him in a long, long, long, long,

48:30

long time. Because I think he's living in

48:32

Ohio part time and stuff. And then

48:34

he's shooting up in Canada. Yeah, same. I see

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Martin a lot. We

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did the West Wing reunion, and he's just

48:41

the best. And

48:43

every once in a while, I'll get a really

48:45

funny phone call from Charlie. And

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I had McCarthy, I had Andrew on the podcast

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a few weeks ago. He was so great. I

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hadn't seen or spoken to Andrew

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in so many years. And his

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book's amazing. If you haven't read it, it's quite

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great. I haven't read it yet.

49:02

He very nicely sent me all

49:05

of the sections

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that I was in, which he didn't have to.

49:10

But I thought that was really nice of him.

49:12

And he was very respectful. And

49:16

he's a really good writer. I mean, he's another

49:19

one who's been sort of writing for years and

49:21

getting progressively better. And

49:24

yeah, he's a

49:26

good guy. His son played my

49:28

son in his first movie, which

49:31

is weird, because it was like I would

49:33

have these moments where I would look across, and

49:36

I would just see Andrew's eyes. Like, they

49:38

don't really look a lot alike, but they

49:40

have the same eyes. And

49:42

they're both a total pain in the ass. So

49:44

I'd be like, oh my god. I'm

49:47

like back in time. Oh,

49:49

well, my youngest son

49:51

is an actor and

49:55

starred in his first movie this summer, big independent

49:57

movie. Well, independent, but I don't know how big

49:59

it is. independent movie and his dad

50:01

was played by Andrew. Oh my

50:03

god. And so it really feels

50:06

like the matrix is about

50:08

to break. Yeah I

50:10

agree. My daughter Matilda has

50:12

just started acting, just did her first self

50:15

tape and oh my god. And it's

50:18

so funny because I feel

50:21

like I've gotten to the point now

50:23

where you know rejection doesn't sting as

50:25

much as it always did because I

50:27

you know I've had incredible success but

50:29

like any actor you you know you

50:31

go through there's always somebody else that

50:33

they want you know no matter how

50:35

much you do there's always that that

50:37

sting of rejection but I finally have

50:39

gotten to a place where I get

50:41

a lot of my creative you

50:44

know juju from somewhere else and so I don't really

50:46

need it as much and then now

50:48

that my daughter's doing it I feel

50:51

rejection so much

50:54

more and I'm just like

50:56

oh my god now I have to start all

50:58

over again feeling all of this stuff and it's

51:00

way worse when it's your kid. I don't know

51:02

if you feel that way but I mean I

51:04

I feel that way like how could anybody not

51:07

just think you know is and

51:10

she's really good I was really I was that was another thing

51:12

I was really nervous about is what it what if I have

51:14

a an actor kid and they just suck

51:16

you know what am I gonna what am I gonna

51:18

say yeah oh that's you that's

51:21

a real issue I tell you what I freaks

51:23

me out is all of the self tapes because

51:26

when we were when we were in a there was no self

51:28

tape I remember when it was a big deal for them to

51:30

have a camera in the audition like

51:32

they did tell your agents they were gonna do

51:34

it you had to agree to it it was

51:37

super frowned on yeah it's

51:40

like you would always say you know she'll she'll

51:42

do the meeting she'll do the reading but she

51:44

won't do the self tape or you know or

51:46

she'll meet with you but she won't read I

51:48

mean yeah there's all these rules about it and

51:51

the self tape they would always say oh it's

51:53

just for blah blah see

51:55

the chemistry or just for this nothing's

51:58

ever gonna happen with it but course, like

52:00

they're all on YouTube now or you know,

52:02

I just got I just got

52:04

I had to sign off to have a

52:06

self tape that I did or not a

52:09

self tape, but you know, videotape because they're

52:11

releasing the the behind the

52:13

scenes for labyrinth,

52:15

which I auditioned for back in

52:18

the day that Jennifer Connolly got and I

52:20

was part of me was really

52:22

annoyed just because they told us you know that

52:24

these weren't going to go anywhere and then the

52:26

other part of me is like, fuck it, I don't

52:28

care. The Outsiders auditions are

52:30

out there a lot and they're they're

52:33

so not they're so mental. My favorite one

52:35

is Kate Capshaw. Wow.

52:38

And it's like so incongruent. You're

52:40

like, wait, that's Steven Spielberg's wife.

52:43

And and they're like, and how old are you? Good

52:45

answer. Yeah,

52:48

those old audition things are are

52:50

so crazy. I love Matilda Matilda. I

52:53

love that. That's so good. Maybe

52:55

she and Johnny can do a movie together. Yeah. How

52:57

old is your son? He's

53:01

25. Okay. And did you do

53:03

the thing where you didn't let him act for a long

53:05

time or were you always? Yeah, it's the

53:07

it's the Gwyneth Paltrow rule, I call

53:09

it. What's that? So I'm

53:11

very friendly with the Paltrow family and

53:13

have been since Gwyneth was probably

53:16

15. And it

53:18

was like patently obvious that she

53:20

was a sensation in waiting. It

53:23

wasn't even up for debate. Yeah. And

53:26

you know, people throwing movie roles that are modeling

53:28

contracts. She's like a 15 year old girl. She's

53:30

like, whatever. And

53:32

I would and then when she finally she finally

53:35

did, you know, work and won the Oscar so

53:37

early, I remember at the party

53:40

talking to her dad, Bruce Paltrow,

53:42

who created many great television series.

53:45

And I had young kids and I was fearful

53:47

that they wanted to be in the business. And

53:50

I said, Bruce, what did you do with Gwyneth? Like,

53:52

how did you handle it? And he said, we

53:54

just had one rule. She had to go to college and

53:57

she did not act until she was at least 18. And

54:01

now, by the way, Gwyneth immediately dropped out of college.

54:07

But that was the rule I had with my

54:10

boys too, the Paltrow Rule. Okay.

54:12

Well, that's good. I wish I had known

54:15

the Paltrow Rule because I have been suffering

54:17

for years. Why

54:19

won't you let me? Why won't you? You

54:22

know? And I'm like, look, you can ask.

54:24

You can learn to act. I got her

54:26

teachers. I feel like I could

54:28

teach somebody else's kid how to

54:30

act or I could teach them

54:32

to be a better actor. You can't

54:34

do that with your own kid or at least I can.

54:37

So I got her with a really

54:39

good teacher and I'm like, you know,

54:41

you just need to have a really

54:43

big toolbox because maybe more doors will open

54:46

for you but people maybe might be a

54:48

little bit more critical than they will

54:50

with the average person. I

54:54

wish I would have known the Paltrow Rule because

54:57

that would have made my life a lot easier. But

54:59

it's hard though, like if they get like somebody

55:02

comes to them with something that's really great,

55:04

you're like, mmm. There's

55:06

something I want to ask you actually. Please

55:09

turn the tables. Are you still

55:12

married to the mother of

55:14

your children? Cheryl, yes. Cheryl and

55:16

I celebrated our 30th wedding anniversary last week.

55:19

Congratulations. Thank you. That's

55:21

amazing. So I'm

55:24

sure people have asked you this before but

55:26

what do you attribute to the longevity? Because

55:29

I think, you know, especially

55:32

in Hollywood, that's not

55:34

so easy to be with

55:36

the same person for, you know, forever.

55:39

I always say the

55:42

same thing. It's that I believe it's

55:44

Alfred Hitchcock. It might have been another director. It

55:47

might have been Billy Wilder. But

55:49

when they asked them what

55:51

do you attribute the keys to a

55:53

hit movie? And he

55:55

said, casting. And

55:59

I think that's what I think. what

56:01

it is with the marriage. It's casting

56:03

and picking the right person. And

56:06

I really believe that that battle is won and

56:08

lost right there. And

56:10

for me, Cheryl is and was and is my best friend. And

56:18

so no matter what we started from that

56:21

place and

56:23

the rest of it all followed. And

56:26

so no matter what, that's the basis.

56:28

When everything ebbs and flows and look,

56:31

there's good days and there's bad days

56:33

in any long-term relationship. But if the

56:35

baseline is best friendship, like

56:37

when something good or bad happens, it's the first

56:39

person you wanna talk to about. Or if

56:42

you have, I remember I had

56:44

one, I had the ability to bring

56:46

somebody on a press tour around the world on a movie.

56:49

Anybody, when I was single, anybody. And

56:52

there were times when I brought male

56:54

friends and my best buddies. And when

56:56

I met Cheryl, I was like, I'm gonna bring Cheryl. And

56:59

that's sort of when I was like, yeah,

57:01

if you have one seat on a

57:03

worldwide tour, you want that person

57:05

to be with you. Aww.

57:09

I really love that. I'm going on,

57:11

next February will be 21 years with

57:14

my husband. No, I can't

57:16

believe. Who also, as you can

57:18

see, was also my IT guy.

57:21

I love that. But yeah, I

57:24

feel the same way. I really feel

57:26

like if I was going around the world, he

57:29

would be the person I would want to go around the world with. And

57:32

he's the one I wanna talk to at the end of the day and

57:34

wake up to in the morning. And

57:36

that really has never gone away. And so

57:39

yeah, I feel really grateful for that. Yeah,

57:43

I'm happy for you. That is good. And

57:45

people listening is like, that's a

57:47

really good litmus test. If

57:51

it isn't that person, you

57:53

maybe wanna rethink it. Because the rest of

57:56

it comes, goes, whatever. But that never goes

57:58

away. Yeah, and also. somebody

58:00

that can make me laugh. I mean, he

58:02

makes me laugh like crazy and that's

58:04

always been really important for me. That's

58:07

actually something that I realized about

58:09

you because I didn't really know you. I

58:12

mean, I feel like we had all these people in

58:14

common, but I didn't know you until we did the

58:17

stand together and I remember sort

58:20

of like, oh my God, he's so funny.

58:23

Like I just thought of you as this like good

58:25

looking guy and then you just made me laugh so

58:28

much. Do you remember that scene that we had to

58:30

do where it was like the camera, we all had

58:32

to respond to something and the camera was like moving

58:35

in really fast and you had to be like, do

58:38

you remember that day? Yes, I do.

58:41

You know, I think we shot it for a hundred years. I

58:43

mean, we literally shot that. It was a

58:45

six month shoot in Utah. Six

58:48

months. Yeah, six months. So,

58:52

we're talking about acting and acting, learning, acting,

58:54

acting coaches. I was

58:57

pretty much self taught and started working from such

58:59

a young age. I learned on the job, but

59:02

my wife is her want. Well,

59:05

say things to me like, you know, this is a really

59:07

good part, honey. Thank you. Maybe you should

59:09

get an acting coach. Thank

59:12

you, I think. So, when

59:15

I got the stand, I'm

59:19

playing the character who can't

59:21

talk, can't hear. And

59:23

so, she's like, this is really an opportunity.

59:25

So, I went and I studied with Roy

59:27

London. Now, Roy London, if you don't, he

59:29

was the man in Los

59:32

Angeles. Yeah, the guy. The

59:34

guy. And so, he had, I think Brad

59:36

Pitt, when he blew up with Thelma and

59:38

Louise, who was a big Roy London. Sharon

59:41

Stone from The Jump was Roy London.

59:43

Gary Shandling. And

59:46

so, I met with Roy's, you know, he

59:48

said, send me the scripts and then we'll come talk about them. I

59:50

sent him the scripts. He reads all the

59:52

scripts, I come and sit with him. And

59:54

he says, so tell me what you're thinking. And

59:56

I said, well, you know, I don't know, he's

59:59

deaf and. You. Know I'm death

1:00:01

in one ear as well. I can bear, I

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can't You're at all in one set of my

1:00:05

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1:00:07

thing where I get a device and you know.

1:00:09

I. Get to fitness whatever the tenth tinnitus device and

1:00:12

put it in my ears like it's a white

1:00:14

noise and then I don't hear this and he

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1:00:45

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1:00:47

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1:00:49

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1:00:51

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1:00:53

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1:00:55

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1:00:58

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1:01:00

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1:01:03

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1:01:05

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1:01:08

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1:01:10

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1:01:14

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find this makes my heart just swell.

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Be happy. It's really really great to

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1:01:26

so glad! A congratulations on living your

1:01:28

best slices the kids say today. Thank.

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1:01:33

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Molly! think the out. While.

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1:03:24

was when they sent me the protein shakes and they

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were like literally like milkshakes.

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And I was like, this has to be bullshit. It

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has to be. Like these protein bars

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are so yummy, they can't possibly

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be as good for you and have the ingredients

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that they have. And they do. So

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yeah, I'm a big believer in low carb

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life. It's made a real difference

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for me. And same with low sugar,

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although that's hard to beat. That's

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a struggle that I one step forward, two

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steps back. Thank you.

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Hey, everybody, thanks for listening. Next

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