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sixty nine. I wanna
1:01
talk about the first time I met you in
1:03
the circumstance. And you can tell me if you
1:05
even remember because I remember fifth. Do you really?
1:07
Oh, the very first time we met. Oh, yeah.
1:21
Hey, everybody. Welcome to literally Wow.
1:24
Today, LeVar Burton
1:26
is here. If you've been listening to my show,
1:28
you know that, you know, I've been doing
1:30
this a long time and have met
1:32
a lot of people and but my
1:35
my meeting of LaVar Burton and how far
1:37
we go back is kinda extraordinary.
1:40
So when I heard he was coming in today, I was
1:43
pretty psyched because I haven't seen him in forever.
1:46
And I don't wanna make forever go
1:48
any longer than it has to. So
1:50
let's get started. Okay.
1:57
So I am Probably
2:01
thirteen. Right. I'm
2:03
at Malibu Park Junior High.
2:05
Okay. And
2:08
I wanna be an actor. Right?
2:11
Fresh from Ohio. I don't know nothing
2:13
but nothing. But I'm in
2:15
all the school plays. I'm in I'm in every
2:18
everything. Talent show. And
2:21
there is for sure the
2:23
most talented girl in the school was
2:25
one of my best friends, Hollywood
2:28
Robinson. Right? And Hollywood sing
2:31
Desperado. And Lindoronstadt
2:33
would come -- Yeah. -- and sit in the
2:35
front row -- Yeah. -- and listen to
2:37
Holly's St. Desperato. Holly's mother
2:41
And why Holly's mother isn't more celebrated
2:44
than she is is kind of a I
2:46
just I just don't understand.
2:49
She's like the Zelig. Of
2:51
of of modern show business.
2:53
Boris Robinson. Yeah. And and and she knows
2:55
LeVar body. Dolores
2:57
Robinson I mean,
2:59
single African American mom --
3:01
Yep. -- raising two kids -- Most are from
3:04
Philadelphia -- Yeah. -- from Philly -- -- drove her
3:06
green Volvo station wagon across country.
3:09
With a dream. Yeah. So
3:12
and she is now I'm so unsophisticated at
3:14
this time that I don't really understand that
3:17
much about Hollywood or what Dolores was
3:19
or does, but she was a manager. Right.
3:23
And I was her only client.
3:25
At the time. Was she she
3:28
I would see around and then she stopped
3:30
me in the hallway. I can see
3:32
it like it was yesterday, the upstairs outdoor
3:34
hallway in the history
3:37
building. And she said,
3:39
I want you to meet someone because
3:42
next week He will
3:44
be the most famous person in the world.
3:49
And it was you. The week
3:51
before roots came out, wow. That's
3:53
a good story. And I remember
3:57
I just I mean, I just remember and she
3:59
was right. I mean, Think about think
4:01
about it. I mean, it's like well,
4:04
those are the the days when that could
4:06
happen. Yeah. We're literally over
4:09
truly overnight over overnight. You'd obviously
4:11
work. You'd always have a No. No.
4:13
Nothing. No. Roots was my first professional
4:16
audition. Wait. What?
4:19
Yeah. I was a
4:21
sophomore at USC studying theater
4:23
with an intention to graduate with a a batch refiners
4:26
degree and moved to New York and hustled my way out of
4:28
the stage. That was my intent and intention. And
4:31
I auditioned for roots in early
4:38
seventy six. Oh
4:40
my gosh. Early seventy
4:42
six. And that
4:45
process went through the
4:47
end of of March. I
4:49
did my first main stage role at USC.
4:52
I played Ali Hakim, in
4:55
in Oklahoma. I
4:58
played Will Park. View
5:00
power How are you? Oh,
5:02
I'm fine. How are you doing, sir? I'm glad
5:04
to meet you. Oh, wow. We
5:07
need take this on the road. Didn't they call him a pedaling
5:10
man? Yes. That's the Aido Annie called
5:12
him the Pedaling man. She sure did. Aido
5:14
Annie. Yeah. It was Will Parker's girlfriend. Indeed.
5:16
Indeed. She was. Madeline Smith
5:18
played played Edo
5:20
Annie in in the USC production
5:22
who went on to to play opposite John
5:25
Frovolta. In in
5:28
what was the cowboy movie he did? urban cowboy?
5:30
Urban cowboy cowboy. Urban
5:32
cowboy. I remember
5:35
also that that next week you I remember you on
5:37
the cover of Time Magazine. Right. Yeah.
5:39
That was crazy. What do you do? What do you
5:41
go from cover of time magazine in
5:43
your very first audition. Do
5:45
you know how to talk about being shot out
5:47
of a can? Yeah. It's pretty extraordinary.
5:50
And, you know, for the
5:52
listeners who weren't alive for
5:54
roots and what it was. I
5:57
mean, it's it was such AII can't
5:59
think of anything that was bigger. I mean, honestly,
6:01
it was as big as Star Wars. At the time, it was.
6:03
Sure. It it it it it had an impact.
6:05
It made an impact.
6:08
Yeah. And and, you know, the idea that
6:10
it was all broadcast in in consecutive nights
6:12
of of programming How many nights was?
6:14
888 nights originally, eight consecutive
6:17
nights. Eight two hour. It's somewhere
6:19
two, somewhere one. Oh, were there some Yeah. Because
6:22
yeah. Yeah. Somewhere one. They had, I think,
6:24
two one hour nights. It
6:27
was it was what
6:29
a ride? I mean,
6:32
what was it like to go from from
6:34
a regular person to phenomenon.
6:37
It was exciting and heavy
6:41
and really confusing. Frankening.
6:46
Yeah. Even. Yeah. And
6:49
Dolores, your manager saved my
6:51
life. What what
6:53
was her guidance? Do you remember any of it? She
6:55
just kept me safe. I
6:59
didn't know this until fairly
7:01
recently. But Dolores
7:06
Dolores used to show up at
7:08
places where I was. She'd like me casually talking
7:10
to me on during the day. And say, oh, so what are you doing? The
7:12
night night teller? You know, I'm going to such a such a bar
7:14
and hang out. I'm going to the roxy or whatever.
7:17
And she would get there before I did.
7:19
And and get in the back and just
7:23
Wow. Right? It's just like a secret service
7:25
agent a little bit. Yeah. She
7:29
kept me safe. She kept
7:31
me safe. My my my
7:33
my other really fun
7:36
Dolores Robinson too was I
7:38
couldn't get a job as an actor and I was
7:40
a bus boy at the Nantucket Light
7:43
restaurant in Malibu, which is now where Nobu
7:45
is. Right. And I I couldn't hold couldn't
7:47
hold any job when I was a kid. I was I
7:49
was always because I was usually flirting with somebody
7:52
or, you know, eating the the mud pie in the walking
7:54
freezer. That's well, that's what that's what
7:56
sunk my my ship at the Nantucket
7:59
light. Mud pie has been the downfall of many
8:01
of them. I ran into the Shoals. At the
8:03
Nantucket life. Is that right? Eating
8:05
the mud pie, eating but but I can remember clearing
8:08
her dishes that she came and eaten.
8:10
And just whispering her, get me out
8:12
of her. God.
8:15
Well, you you had
8:17
quite a a dramatic start
8:20
yourself. I mean, here's what
8:22
I remember about you. You were part of
8:24
a cadre -- Yes. -- of
8:26
kids. Yes. That went to Samo High.
8:28
Yes. Right? You and
8:30
and Holly, Matt Robinson, her
8:32
brother -- Mhmm. -- Amelia Estevas,
8:35
Right? Sean
8:37
Penn. Chris Penn. You
8:39
guys were And, you know, who gets forgotten?
8:42
Robert Downey Junior. Robert Downey Junior.
8:44
Right. Using history class. What
8:49
a cohort? Isn't that crazy? It's
8:51
crazy. It really is. But I people
8:53
ask me about it, and III think it's There
8:56
are times, you you
8:58
know, on the planet when areas
9:01
just kind of have an energy, you know,
9:04
Laurel Canyon in nineteen sixty eight.
9:06
Right. The birds live next door to Jim
9:08
Morrison and Jackson Brown later
9:10
a place in the basement above the Eagles. Jones and
9:12
Mitchell. Jones and Yeah. And I they
9:15
were all dressed. They were I mean, they were all there.
9:17
Right? Yeah. And Malibu, was
9:19
that was definitely and there's other people
9:21
we're not even thinking of. They're like the dylan kids.
9:24
Right. I
9:26
mean, there's all kinds of tertiary
9:29
people that you go, oh my god. You were
9:32
There was a moment. It was a moment in
9:34
in Malibu, in the book. As
9:36
as the kids safe these days.
9:39
And didn't Holly Robinson end
9:41
up doing her first pro job
9:43
with you? Yes. She did. Yeah. Was it done? Yeah.
9:45
Yeah. Right? I remember sending
9:47
her flowers to the patient. And
9:51
a and a telegram, really? Where
9:54
she worked with she she played she
9:56
played with Stephen Williams who who
9:59
ended up also being
10:01
in jump street. That's right.
10:04
Now and also, just a total sidebar,
10:07
I was looking at your filmography. Were you looking
10:09
for mister Goodbye? I was. Yeah.
10:11
Tell me what Okay. See, now we're in
10:13
these seventies. You know, movies in the seventies
10:15
were shipped. Yeah. They were. They really
10:18
were. Really, really, And you were in
10:20
looking I wasn't looking for mister Goodyear. So who
10:22
directed it? I Richard Brooks. Richard
10:24
Brooks. Richard Brooks. Wow.
10:26
Richard Blackboard Jungle. Yes.
10:29
Right? Right? Yeah. Who
10:31
had a reputation, had earlier in
10:33
his career, had
10:36
a script or the as a story goes, parts
10:38
of a script sort of stolen. And
10:40
so he was very very secretive.
10:42
There were the I my lines he wrote
10:44
down and then handed it to me and
10:46
said here, memorized these. And
10:50
and so I was really excited after
10:52
production wrapped to get two packages
10:55
from Freddie fields, the producer.
10:57
Freddie Right. Freddie
11:00
Fields is a legendary agents turned
11:02
producer, studio manager. Yeah.
11:05
So I opened the first package and
11:07
it's a beautiful leather,
11:09
brown leather, golden bust
11:12
scriptbook with my name on
11:14
it. And looking for mister Goodbar,
11:16
so I'm like opening the second
11:18
package. I know this is
11:21
the script. Yes. Now I can finally
11:23
read it. There's a cover page
11:25
and one hundred and ten blank
11:27
pages. And that's Freddie
11:29
feels sense of humor. I
11:32
hope you kept please tell me it's still around.
11:34
Still around somewhere. Oh,
11:36
that's so good. What
11:41
I worked with John Amos much later in
11:43
life, played
11:45
the older version of you. Am I correct? That's correct.
11:48
That is correct. What
11:50
an actor? He he he's still
11:52
with Oh, yeah. John my my John
11:54
lives I think maybe
11:56
he doesn't now, but for a long time, he lived
11:59
on a boat. Which
12:01
is Anybody lives on a boat. That's very
12:04
come down on my boat. Like, it's such a gangster
12:06
move. It is. It is. Not
12:08
a boat. Yep. Go
12:10
any time you want. You can just
12:13
piece out. Peace. See, that was
12:15
a great cast. Drew, LeVar,
12:18
Ben Vereen, I watched
12:21
officer and gentleman again last week.
12:24
Yeah. Raul. Yeah. Lou got Lucas
12:26
also lived in Malvern. He did. Lou
12:28
Gossett, when we we shot the first
12:31
three hours on location Savannah, Georgia,
12:33
That's where I met Lou. And
12:35
then we came back to to Los Angeles.
12:37
And in that first week of shooting
12:39
here in LA, Lou took me home
12:41
to his his apartment, his house
12:43
on on the beach in Malibu. Just so
12:45
we could hang out, spend the night and, you know, and just spend
12:48
time together. My
12:51
very first day as a professional
12:53
actor. Sisley Tyson played my mother.
12:55
Come on. Maya Angelo played my
12:57
grandmother. Well, I'm sorry. Who? I'm sorry. What?
12:59
Doctor Maya. Angela, flake
13:02
my grandmother, Neil Boto, in
13:05
in roots. And that very first day,
13:07
that's that's those were my acting partners.
13:12
I know. I'm I'm actually
13:15
speechless now. I was nice. What was he?
13:17
What was What was that light? Was
13:19
was there any poetry read? Please tell
13:21
me. Yeah. Is there a Burton
13:24
poem in the archives? You you know what
13:26
it was. For me, in those in
13:28
those early days, it was it was being
13:30
in the makeup trailer -- Mhmm. -- in the morning
13:33
with with those women and
13:36
and just being in their presence was
13:39
all I needed. I didn't have to eat
13:41
or sleep. I just needed to
13:43
be around them and just
13:47
absorb whatever I could.
13:49
And it was it was like that for the entire seven
13:51
weeks. Moses
13:53
Gunn, g two Kambuka, Lou,
13:56
old people that I had admired, you
13:58
know, growing up and seen on television.
14:02
It was quite an extraordinary thing.
14:04
And the weird thing is is that
14:07
I don't remember being particularly nervous
14:10
because I knew I'm
14:12
I if I knew anything at that point in my
14:14
life, I knew who Kumba Kintai was. I
14:17
knew it I knew who that character
14:19
was inside and out. What
14:21
do you think led to that kind of awareness? Just
14:24
my whole life. Right? I just
14:26
knew how this
14:28
young man felt in any
14:31
given situation. I
14:33
just knew. I just
14:35
I had that knowingness. Isn't
14:37
it? It didn't happen, but it doesn't happen all the
14:39
time. Does it? Oh, god. Right? No. And
14:41
then when it does, I'm not sure what to attribute
14:44
it to. I think there's AIII
14:46
have I have felt a
14:48
sense of I
14:51
guess, destiny -- Yeah. -- in in
14:53
in my life. I'm I'm
14:57
sure you do too that that there
14:59
are things that that have
15:01
transpired that I
15:04
could never have predicted, and
15:07
I am in awe. Of.
15:09
And and the only
15:11
thing I can attribute it to is that this
15:13
was this was part of somebody's plan.
15:16
Right. Yeah. And and and
15:18
it ain't it wasn't mine, not at least on
15:20
not on a conscious level. Because if you had given
15:22
me, you know, patents and tenant said, so,
15:24
you know, draw it up. Dream
15:27
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15:29
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15:32
Yeah. Same. Right? Oh,
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my first movie was the outsiders,
15:40
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15:42
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15:47
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15:49
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15:51
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Jeopardy, Wordsmith, storyteller. Yeah.
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Yo. And and I know that's what you you feel
20:25
your core your storyteller. Yeah. At
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my at my very core.
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Yeah. That's that's what I am. That's
20:32
what I am. The most important thing that mankind
20:34
has, the most important thing we do storytelling. Yeah.
20:36
Just on practical LeVar. Without storytelling,
20:40
how would they know not to go to the water
20:42
hole with all tiger was? Right.
20:45
Right? And it when
20:47
you look at it from that to what it's become
20:49
today, it it because that's
20:51
all that's really what I realized. That's what
20:53
I what I do. What's the oldest art form.
20:55
Right? There is. You know, we started telling
20:58
stories in the caves before the cave.
21:00
Right? We started recording them in the cave.
21:03
In in reading, your your mom was the one who got
21:05
you under reading. My mom was an English teacher. That's
21:07
first time. Was an English teacher. Right? So
21:09
it's good to have a mom as an English teacher. Right?
21:11
Best. Best. Best. Best. Yeah.
21:14
And it's interesting because you think that maybe
21:16
they'd screw us up, and we the
21:18
last thing we would wanna do is read. Mhmm.
21:21
But no. I I read all the
21:23
times ahead. I know you did. I did. Yeah.
21:25
Yeah. My mom because not because
21:27
my mom always read. She was a reader.
21:30
That was the modeling that
21:32
I Yeah. It wasn't like they said, go do it.
21:34
They were they were doing it. She always had a book
21:36
going at least once, sometimes two,
21:38
even three books going for her own
21:40
just, you know, just because she was so
21:43
so voracious about it and and had really
21:45
she loved Lulamore. She
21:47
loved her westerns. She had really eclectic
21:50
taste. Was it your idea to start
21:52
reading rainbow? Or was it a collaborator? They just
21:54
knew you'd be a good fit? They they had been
21:56
developing it and they were looking for a host. And
21:59
there used to be show in in New York on
22:02
the news called LeVar at five. Or
22:04
Susan. Susan Susan Susan. To mine.
22:07
Hello? Two semis. So
22:09
I was was actually, I was on my way.
22:11
I was through New York on my way to
22:14
Africa. And I
22:16
was doing little interview with Sue Simmons and
22:18
the producers saw
22:20
it and tracked me down. They tracked me down
22:22
at the Essex House Hotel. And
22:25
breath of fresh Hi. Central Park.
22:27
It's Essex House. And
22:31
they pitched it over the phone and and
22:34
Dolores and I were like, yeah, this
22:36
makes sense. And see, here's the thing.
22:40
Talk about everything happens for a reason.
22:42
Okay? So here I am. I do
22:45
this thing called Roots. It's my first job.
22:47
And then these people
22:49
want me to do a children's television show.
22:51
Now Dolores' husband, her first
22:53
husband to whom name she was
22:55
divorced. But Matt Robinson was
22:58
the original gourd on
23:00
Sesame Street. I mean. Right?
23:03
So Dolores had this real
23:06
special place in her heart. For children's
23:08
programming and really encouraged
23:11
me to to do
23:13
it. And, you know, with
23:16
with without that sort of
23:18
push in in
23:20
in the right direction, my
23:23
life and career would look
23:25
completely different. And it ran
23:27
out twenty Twenty six seasons? Twenty
23:30
six seasons. Yeah. Season.
23:32
Oh, yeah. PBS. It's
23:35
simple. And then, of course, there's
23:37
the Star Trek thing. The Star Trek thing.
23:39
Yeah. Yeah. Tell tell me
23:41
about the visor. I gotta
23:43
know about the because I gotta say
23:45
to me -- Mhmm. -- the visor looked
23:48
like there's girls
23:50
in the control booth. What are the things you
23:52
put? Are you putting your hair to make your hair it's
23:54
not a burrata? Because those are the banana clip.
23:57
Is it what's the thing? Thank
23:59
you. Yeah. It's like it to
24:02
to me, look like just a woman's headband
24:04
with you on you. That was the They they weren't
24:06
the that was the inspiration. Was it? It
24:08
was? No. It was. No. It was the inspiration.
24:10
Wasn't. Okay. Well, come
24:13
really ask Michael Okuda, the
24:15
man who who who designed it.
24:19
It was inspired by a Denise
24:21
Ocuda headband, a
24:23
women's hair retention
24:25
device. They're okay. So I'm not
24:27
crazy. No. You're not. You're not.
24:30
See, I was I was just thought it was one of those
24:32
things where they were like, they've spent so much
24:34
money. Hiring you your,
24:36
you know, your your ginormous
24:38
fee and and the sets And
24:41
they're like, oh, Jesus Christ. We forgot to do the
24:43
goddamn iPhone for me. We're
24:45
not this. It's run a
24:47
headstand and yeah. And this works for me and off
24:49
they go. Fram oil filter. That's what I
24:52
thought it was. Yeah. Right? They never
24:54
drive you berserkat. It, you know, it
24:56
it it it became
24:58
my nemesis. I'm sure
25:00
by the first lunch break. It it was
25:03
exciting at first and then the the real challenge
25:05
of acting with without my eyes. Sort
25:08
of landed and it was like, wow. Okay.
25:11
Did you have a I was gonna thought it seemed
25:13
like such a good idea in a person. It
25:15
it it that's it it was like I
25:17
was so excited, and then
25:19
the reality said, you know. What
25:24
the hell have I gotten myself into
25:26
here? Because it's that I
25:29
I wore an eye patch in Austin
25:31
Powers. Yeah. And
25:34
that thing used to drive
25:36
me bananas. Because it's the
25:38
depth perception thing? Yes. Right. The depth
25:41
and and it's kinda like
25:44
seeing little is worse than not seeing at all
25:46
maybe? Yeah. See, did you have, like, yet upper
25:48
peripheral vision? No. I did not. No. Yeah.
25:50
I I couldn't see above my my head.
25:52
I couldn't see. You couldn't see it all. I couldn't see my
25:54
feet. No. No.
25:56
I could see what was right in front of me.
25:59
And and the challenge was to not look
26:01
for my feet. Right? Yes.
26:04
Because, you know, chief engineer had to know
26:06
every end of that ship. And and
26:09
you couldn't see me hesitating
26:11
to to figure out where the, you know,
26:14
where the ramp was or, you know I
26:16
bumped into a lot of shit in the first season. That
26:18
that would be good behind the scenes. It
26:21
was challenging. It was challenging.
26:24
Did you have any apprehension
26:27
about that kind of
26:29
like, Star Trek being such an iconic thing and
26:31
doing a a rebirth of it? Or
26:33
do you know this is gonna be amazing? Obviously, it doesn't
26:35
wanna be a part of it. I just wanted to be a part of course.
26:37
I just wanted to be part of it. And, you know,
26:41
I think I had I
26:43
wasn't I wasn't afraid of
26:45
it because overcoming
26:48
the stereotype of of
26:50
Quinta, you know, was
26:54
was the was the job, you
26:56
know, that that Dolores and I undertook
26:59
after roots to make sure that I had a career
27:01
that that that
27:04
had any sort of longevity in order
27:06
to do that. I would gonna have to, you know,
27:08
beat the tenancy. Universal
27:11
wanted to do the life and times of Contakinte or,
27:13
you know, series based
27:15
on -- Mhmm. -- stories and and and and then then
27:17
then I just figured that was gonna be the the
27:20
end. The end before just
27:22
as it's just as beginning. So Was
27:24
Gene Rottenberry alive? Yes. Very
27:26
much. What was he did you meet him? What was he like? Very
27:29
much. Very much. He was, you know,
27:31
he he was that visionary. But
27:33
one of things that I learned from gene
27:36
lean run very obviously who created creator The creator
27:38
Star Trek. You called him the big bird of the galaxy. That's
27:41
amazing. Yeah. Gene
27:44
Gene taught me that all of our heroes are human.
27:47
Because I did I did revere him.
27:49
And then I met him, and then I and then I
27:51
realized, he's a guy.
27:54
Right? Yeah. He he was from that generation of
27:56
three martinis at lunch
27:58
and, you know, you look at all the first you
28:00
look at the star check, the original star check, all
28:02
the women were very short Kurtz. He was
28:04
a man of his generation.
28:07
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right? So the
28:09
the idea that that that he could
28:11
that both things could be true. He
28:13
could be this incredible visionary
28:17
and at the same time, you
28:19
know, have have the kinds of foibles
28:22
that that most men
28:24
do. And that was I
28:27
think that's one of the most important lessons I've ever
28:29
learned. That's great one. It is. That's
28:31
I'm gonna steal that. I've got
28:34
couple people I'm gonna use that answer on.
28:36
It's a really good answer. Alex Haley
28:38
taught me that your authentic voice as
28:41
a storyteller is the only thing you've got.
28:43
Right? Develop it. Develop
28:46
a bit, know who you are as
28:48
the storyteller. Right?
28:51
Yeah. And that's and that's why actors
28:53
are just -- Right. -- an offshoot because
28:56
it's the same it's the same it's the
28:58
same thing. It's exactly the same
29:00
thing. Now when
29:03
because I I conflate all of the star tracks.
29:05
I get it. I get it at a certain point,
29:08
and and I go because
29:10
who'll be as an old friend too. And whoopi was
29:12
on, and we were talking about her time on Star
29:14
Trek. Right. You guys didn't did you overlap? Mhmm.
29:16
We did we were we were in the same we were in the same cast.
29:19
In in the same cast. In fact, it was what
29:21
we what we and
29:23
I were talking because we both shared a love
29:25
for the original track. And Michelle
29:27
Nichols, and Star Trek as
29:29
an example of cop
29:31
culture where black people were included. Yes.
29:35
And that was huge for
29:38
both of us. And so she
29:40
said to me, I want a Beyond
29:42
Star Trek. Would you tell Rick Berman?
29:44
And I did, and and he didn't believe
29:47
me. Oh, right? I remember She was
29:49
the biggest star in the fucking
29:51
world. I think she just won an Oscar.
29:53
Yeah. And she wanted to do television,
29:55
which was not done back
29:57
in the middle. No. No. No. No. I
29:59
mean, no. No. There
30:02
there was there was no crossover So it
30:04
was Wendy doesn't give a fuck. No. She
30:06
just does what she wants. That's why she's whoopi.
30:08
Right? That's why she's so free. Yeah.
30:10
It is. She's I mean,
30:12
talking about following your mews. Unfettered.
30:15
Unfettered. She was just a she was just
30:17
on the show and she's so She's
30:19
another one. Just, like, hugging on
30:21
whoopie is, like, she's just the best. Yeah.
30:24
She and Fred and Fred Rogers And
30:27
and and and and Alex,
30:30
to a certain extent, I put
30:32
them in category of most authentic people
30:34
I've ever tell me about Fred Rogers. I never
30:36
met him. Yeah. I
30:38
mean, obviously, between the
30:40
the the books and growing up with him. Right.
30:43
I I was just fascinated that he could time
30:45
his clothing routine in
30:47
those opening credits down to the he wrote the
30:49
song, so he knew how much time he needed. Exactly.
30:53
I mean, he knew he knew exactly.
30:55
Right. He knew exactly. Right?
30:57
And his mom knitted those sweaters. People
31:00
talk about Christopher Walker having
31:03
an interesting speaking rhythm. Yeah.
31:05
I think Fred Rogers has one
31:07
of the great speaking rhythms of all time.
31:09
That was it was also married with
31:11
an intentionality of
31:15
focus. He was he
31:17
was laser
31:19
locked on you when you were
31:21
in his presence. And you
31:23
felt the full force of his attention, which
31:26
was considerable. He was
31:29
probably one certainly one of
31:31
the most patient human
31:33
beings I've ever met and openly,
31:36
honestly caring
31:39
and loving. As
31:42
a human being. Could you wait? Because he's so
31:45
embedded in the public consciousness
31:48
as Mister Rogers, you
31:50
keep waiting for the other shoe to drop.
31:52
There was no other There's no other shoe. He was
31:54
that guy. See, when I first met him, I
31:56
was expecting I was excited to meet
31:59
the real guy. Right? Yes.
32:01
Because that's gotta be an act. Right. It
32:03
has to be an act. Yeah. No.
32:06
That's I was red. That's
32:09
amazing. Yeah. I wonder what
32:11
what mister Rogers would have thought of TikTok.
32:16
Well, you know, you know, Fred was a musician
32:18
first and foremost. Right? So
32:20
he he probably would've he probably would've
32:22
done it. Really he was he I believe,
32:25
I I call him a saint. He certainly
32:27
was a saintly individual. I just I'm I'm
32:29
I'm just gonna go ahead and claim it for. Claim
32:31
it. Fred Rogers was a saint. That's
32:33
so That's amazing.
32:40
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33:48
You also played Ron the floor? I did.
33:51
Great. So that's that's a deep dive for but baseball
33:53
fans out. Jonathan Frakes is gonna be so happy
33:55
to hear you mention that. I am He
33:57
loves the runner star. He's a big baseball
33:59
fan. Freaks. Yeah. Yeah. like Brakes.
34:01
He's great. Yeah. I remember watching
34:04
the I saw the floor play. Did
34:06
you? Mhmm. When he was AAA
34:08
tiger? Yes. When he was tiger. Wow. Did you shoot
34:10
in Tiger Stadium? We did. It was my first
34:12
experience in a in a professional baseball
34:14
stadium. That in Tiger Stadium.
34:17
Tiger Stadium. My So
34:19
my very first experience at a in a Major
34:21
League Baseball park, I come out of the tunnel
34:23
wearing number eight at a home game.
34:25
What do you do with you and your first experiences? Yeah.
34:28
Yeah. You know, my first experience, I
34:30
I went to the moon. Yep. First
34:32
experience, III was elected president
34:34
of the United States. Something new.
34:37
I've I've had a life rob. I really
34:39
have. I and I I asked
34:41
myself often what
34:44
was it that I did in in a previous life
34:47
to deserve this 1III
34:49
can't even imagine. I I'm I'm
34:51
genuinely one of the most
34:54
fortunate individuals I've ever met. Well, you know the
34:56
other thing I'm I'm struck with,
34:58
LeVar, is you've
35:00
also seen and done it all. Look, you and I've been
35:02
around a long time. And this this
35:05
this business to survive,
35:08
you have to develop,
35:11
call it, a thick skin, whatever
35:14
it can make people super jaded, whatever it
35:16
does, but you seem
35:18
unaffected by the journey. And
35:21
clearly, you have to have been because
35:23
you wouldn't be human if you weren't. Yeah. But
35:25
your sort of, like,
35:28
vibe is
35:30
really rare for someone who
35:33
has been through what you've been through
35:35
to get to where you've gotten. I was forced
35:37
to figure it out. Isn't
35:39
that always the truth? Yeah. I I had
35:41
to. It was it it was due
35:43
it was get real or die. Right?
35:46
In there, baby. Right? Yeah. And
35:49
I decided to get real. And
35:51
I I literally went on an
35:54
extensive period of
35:56
of of search and exploration to
36:01
to reach the core of my authentic
36:03
self and then bring that back. To
36:05
the world. Yeah.
36:07
That's and it and that's been my journey
36:10
as well. Yeah. Like the the the authentic
36:12
self. See, you will you
36:14
will relate to this. I have recently come to the conclusion
36:17
that my job, Ram, is
36:19
to show up and be myself. Dude.
36:24
Right, dude. No. It
36:26
occurred to me. It occurred to me in the last
36:28
ten Five years -- Five years
36:30
for me. -- five years for me. Like, the
36:33
only thing I have to offer really
36:35
the end of day There's so many good
36:37
actors. There's so many of this, and there's so many of
36:39
that. The the only thing I really have to
36:42
offer is is me. Yeah.
36:44
Some total of my experience and and and
36:46
my willingness to share that with others.
36:49
Right? The benefit of my experience. Now,
36:51
which you know, which for me
36:54
is why one of the reasons I do this because
36:56
in in in learning
36:58
about others, you know, I learned about more
37:00
about myself and know,
37:02
people get to know more about me because this this is
37:04
the real me talking to you and writing
37:07
books is the same. And Mars are fun to write
37:09
and not easy, but but
37:11
fun. I'm so glad you're in my book, bro. You're
37:14
in it. Well, name check the baby.
37:16
Wow. There's some good company in there. I
37:19
can only imagine some
37:22
of some of your stories. There's
37:24
some good ones in there. I gotta say.
37:27
There's some Holly Robinson's in their victim,
37:29
Dolores's in their victim time. That
37:32
was a that was a good a good time.
37:34
Let me ask you, what is
37:36
because I haven't like, I I talked about briefly
37:38
earlier. What is
37:41
as a jeopardy fan, if you go on jeopardy,
37:43
what's the thing that would be the most surprising. Is
37:46
there something? Is it like like,
37:48
I did family feud? Yeah. It
37:51
was so I love game shows by the way too. I
37:54
I love them. And and obviously, that jeopardy
37:56
occupies a whole other. It's different
37:58
it's the it's the pinnacle in
38:00
in in American game show
38:03
culture. Don't even Game
38:05
show seems debasing to call
38:07
or no? It's it's it's
38:09
it's of a genre. III believe Like, I don't even
38:11
like the term sitcom for comedies. Okay.
38:13
Because it makes it I know it it it it it's in
38:16
some way. Do you know what I'm saying? I get it. Yeah. I understand
38:18
what you mean. So there's a little bit a little
38:20
color a quiz show. Oh.
38:23
Right? Jeopardy is the pinnacle --
38:26
Yes. -- in his culture, in terms of of quiz
38:28
shows. How do how do you have oh,
38:30
it's because you read, of course. I was not I was like, what's
38:33
what's the source of of your
38:35
depth so much bullshit
38:38
in my head. Yeah. Yeah. Are you
38:40
good at trivial pursuit as well or is that beneath
38:42
you? No. Not at all. In fact, one
38:44
of the, you know, in in in the
38:47
everything happens for a reason department.
38:50
Because I was really disappointed that I
38:52
didn't get that gig. Because I thought
38:55
oh, I thought it was a live I I thought
38:57
I thought it well, actually, you know what I
38:59
thought? I thought it was a real audition. And then
39:01
as it turns out, it it really wasn't. Because
39:04
the producer, the the guy who, you
39:06
know, taught me how to play the The fix was in.
39:08
He was doing it. he the man
39:10
who said, I'm not interested
39:13
in the job. My job is to help them find
39:15
the right person for the job. Always
39:17
intended to give himself the job. We always III
39:20
call that the the Dick Cheney experiment.
39:23
Yeah. Well well, president-elect,
39:25
I will help lead the search for vice president.
39:28
We will find the vice vice president for
39:30
you, mister president. Oh, wait. It's me. It's me.
39:32
Yeah. It's me. It's me all the law
39:34
all the time. So
39:37
one of the unintended consequences
39:39
of not getting that job was
39:42
the phone ringing and and on the other hand
39:44
being Hasbro. Right? Who said
39:46
we have a little piece of
39:48
IP called trivial pursuit, and we're gonna
39:50
wanna turn it into a television show. We can't
39:52
think of it. And me one, we would
39:54
rather have hosted. And they
39:56
made me a partner in the United States and
39:58
there you go. And Jeopardy would have
40:01
never done that. Where does trivial
40:03
pursuit? Where where is it? We have a We
40:05
we we are pitching. We
40:07
and we've come up with what I I believe
40:10
is a really good game. How long did it take to
40:12
crack the game part of it? We
40:14
cracked the game part of it in about
40:16
four to five months. Yeah. I think It's
40:18
hard. Isn't it is not easy? Isn't it hard?
40:20
Yeah. In fact, I think we we you know, originally,
40:23
you know, we were going in one direction. I thought it would be
40:25
very, very cool to not have any to
40:27
not be playing for money. Right?
40:30
Let's play for something worth
40:32
more than money. Play for an experience. Right?
40:36
People wanna, you know We want money. People want
40:38
money. There's certain things that because I sometimes
40:40
do a show called mental Samurai, which
40:42
is it's it's a you
40:45
you have it it's it's a it's trivia
40:47
under stress. Wow. There's both
40:49
a mental and physical stress.
40:52
And by the way, I love hosting it. Mhmm.
40:54
And we've done two seasons. We may be doing a
40:56
third one. But and
40:58
we created the game, obviously.
41:00
And the things you learn
41:03
about what works and don't work in terms
41:05
of a game for people to
41:07
watch. It's amazing. And it's usually
41:10
keep it simple, stupid. Yeah. It's like
41:12
our thing was originally, it was
41:15
it's an obstacle course of the
41:17
mind. Like, what's
41:21
it in Ninja Warrior. Mhmm. Right?
41:23
Mhmm. Mhmm. And then we realize,
41:25
no no nobody wants to watch a game.
41:28
That they go into thinking no one's going
41:30
to win. It really interesting, like,
41:32
we need so in the second season, we
41:34
reworked the game so there are more winners. Yeah.
41:37
Like, people turns out, people didn't like to
41:39
see people lose every week. No. Because Well, you know,
41:41
what it but you but you like something you don't think
41:43
about. You wanna identify, you know, with
41:45
with the player. Yes. And and in that
41:47
identification, you want that player to win. For
41:49
whatever reason, you're attracted to their personality,
41:52
their, you know, their their the color of their
41:54
eyes, their smile, whatever it is, they're
41:56
a stand in. Yes. We're we're a
41:58
competitor inside of you. Exactly
42:00
right. Did you
42:03
ever have a moment where you watch
42:05
a contestant flail and
42:07
it's just you know they know it and
42:09
they're drawing a blank or
42:11
they don't know it and they're drawing a blank and you're like
42:13
you have to be kidding me. I
42:15
I've been on on that even on that
42:18
end of it. I've been on that end of it. I've been on that end
42:20
of it. There was a Star
42:22
Trek edition of the weakest link. And
42:27
I I got into the final round with
42:31
know if you know the actor Bob Bickardo, Robert Bickardo.
42:33
Sure. LeVar Wonderful. Wonderful. That's
42:35
a great actor. Mhmm. It's a really sharp
42:37
dresser and a and a lovely human being.
42:40
And the clue was
42:44
about pre war. Was
42:47
a word for pre war. And I said, I
42:49
and I, you know, as a seminary
42:51
and I studied
42:53
Latin and I I I've got to know this.
42:55
I know it's in there somewhere, and the clock was ticking.
42:57
And and then and just as I
42:59
was about to let go and say, don't
43:02
know it, boom, antebellum. Came into
43:04
my head. And it was like,
43:06
wow. I can't believe it
43:08
took me that long, but
43:10
it did. But thank god, it was married.
43:13
Somewhere. And then it came and then it came out without
43:16
almost unconscious un almost unconsciously
43:18
because I had oh, no. III don't know it. I'm
43:20
I'm I'm done. And I boom. I had this
43:23
a guy who, I believe, it's been
43:25
a while since I've seen the episode, but he was a
43:28
NASA engineer. Right?
43:30
Super smart? And
43:32
it's his very first question. And you have
43:34
sixty seconds to complete an abs a
43:36
mental obstacle course. K.
43:39
And use visuals as
43:41
well. And the question is,
43:43
the prompt is name
43:47
this superstar eighties
43:50
pop duo. And
43:52
then there was a picture of
43:54
a long hallway and
43:58
a bowl of oats, all
44:00
the oats. She's got sixty seconds. Okay.
44:04
Oh, boy, I'm not really good with me. So
44:06
there's a hall and ball
44:09
oats, a hall of
44:11
boat, oats, hallway
44:14
oats, serial
44:17
floor, hall, oatmeal,
44:22
floor ceiling, put sixty
44:27
Long seconds. That's painful. And
44:30
then and this might this the last one, this is my favorite
44:32
one. So it's mammogram. Can see
44:34
the Anagram. And it says, this Anagram
44:36
is the title of this iconic
44:40
nineties ensebumble
44:43
sitcom. It's clearly friends.
44:46
Right? I mean, it's
44:48
it's right there. It's the underground. Sixty
44:52
seconds. And
44:54
I said, look, you're going down
44:56
clearly. Don't you want to take a swing at
44:58
it? Just name something
45:00
because alright. Alright. Dufins. Ouch.
45:04
I wanted to redo the friend's logo with
45:07
the famous friend's font. With
45:09
dolphins. The
45:14
I but I gotta say you can be really
45:16
really smart and and
45:18
and not be good under
45:20
pressure like that. Yeah. There is
45:22
no pressure like the red
45:25
light on a camera. Right? When
45:27
that red light goes on and you know
45:29
that it's on you, it's just
45:31
a whole other level of I
45:34
need I need to perform. Yeah. There's
45:36
a reason why Stanley Kubrick made Hal
45:38
a red light. Yes. Exactly
45:40
right. Exactly right. Exactly. I never even
45:42
thought of that, Rob. Right? Whoa.
45:46
Right? Yes. Like the all seeing All
45:48
glowing cold. Yes.
45:51
Unblinking. How?
45:55
Yeah. So III get
45:57
it. III get it. Pressure
46:01
can, you know, pressure
46:03
the motherfucker. Yeah. It is.
46:06
Oh, we didn't talk about Jim Jones
46:08
stole my car. We had -- Oh, my car. -- this is the
46:10
problem when I I
46:13
want it's funny. I've wondered why I'm
46:15
obsessed with Jim Jones and the
46:17
gay Guyana tragedy. And there is this because I was watching
46:19
you in it. Mhmm. It's your fault. Well,
46:22
there there was a hell of a cast in
46:25
in Was was that the one with
46:27
with Power's Boot? Yeah. Power's
46:29
Boot. Diana
46:31
Scarlett, Irene
46:34
Cara. Irene Cara played my love interest.
46:36
And if you guys have not ever seen
46:38
this, try to find it. It is the most
46:41
turbine. It's pretty good.
46:43
It's so good. Power's smooth
46:45
was unconscious. Harrisville
46:48
is one of the great actors of all time. And
46:51
and noteworthy. What's what's the noteworthy
46:53
sidebar about that? Well, he
46:56
was the only actor to
46:58
to cross the Screen Actors Guild picket
47:00
line and go to the Emmy's to receive because he knew
47:02
everybody knew. That Powersmith was
47:04
gonna win, and he was not going to
47:07
not show up to pick up his
47:09
statue. It's a great it's what
47:12
is the actual title? It's one of those convoluted titles.
47:14
Guyana tragedy, the the
47:16
story of Jim Jones, not even the Jim Jones
47:19
story. The story of Jim
47:21
Jones. It's a story of Jim Jones. Yeah.
47:23
That's a great one. Mhmm. But
47:26
now, it's okay. You're gonna have to tell me this the
47:28
Burton reads. Is is
47:31
is my podcast. I say I say at the beginning of the
47:33
of of every episode. Hi, LeVar Burton.
47:35
This is LaVar Burton reads, We're
47:38
in every episode. I pick a different short
47:40
story and I read it to you.
47:43
So it's not chapters You No.
47:45
I'm I'm reading short fiction. And I lean
47:47
and I lean into speculative
47:49
fiction because that's my favorite genre to read when
47:51
I'm reading for pleasure. I I love science fiction
47:54
lithofiction. So and
47:56
and I also
47:58
love doing the show because there's
48:00
a whole generation of adults out there now
48:02
who grew up on reading rainbow. And on reading
48:04
rainbow, I used to recommend books
48:07
to them, and I'm now recommending
48:09
authors. You know, III picked
48:11
literature from a lot of
48:14
different voices out there, marginalized
48:17
authors of authors of color,
48:19
women. So I'm still
48:21
introducing this generation
48:24
to to literature.
48:27
I love it. I love it. How Have
48:30
you done any have you read any books
48:33
audiobooks yourself? I I have. LeVar
48:35
doing audiobooks. I figured you would. Right? Love
48:37
doing audiobooks. Red.
48:40
I did I did the unabridged
48:42
cosmos. What? Karl
48:44
Sagen. Oh my god. That was a project.
48:46
That was an amazing news. Amazing.
48:49
Yeah. Wanna Grammy for the Martin Luther
48:52
King, autobiography. Yeah. Autobiography
48:54
Martin Luther King. You get all the heady
48:56
stuff. They give me, like, What?
48:58
Give me a title. Give me give me a an audio
49:00
book title. I I got Rob Lowes. Yeah. It's and
49:03
I and I'm honored. It's Steven King. Oh, that's
49:05
great. Steven, come on.
49:07
It's Steven again. Come on. Dolan's Cadillac.
49:09
Short story. Yeah. You haven't done it? No.
49:12
Okay. Dolan's Cadillac. Okay.
49:14
It's in his first collection of
49:16
short shorts. Yeah. I'm I'm I'm on it.
49:18
I'm on it. It's it I call it his
49:20
old man on the scene. Is that right? Because
49:23
it's a man it's simply a man with a task. There's
49:25
no dialogue. Oh, wow. Awesome.
49:28
That's awesome. So working his head the entire
49:30
time. It's him working. Wow. It's
49:33
pretty intense. I love it. Yeah.
49:35
I love it. Well, everybody check out the
49:37
podcast. You can get it wherever you get your podcast. Wherever
49:39
you get your podcast on, I like to say.
49:41
Mhmm. I I get my podcast on
49:43
all the time. And we got it on today.
49:46
It was so darn fun. Bravo.
49:49
Nineteen seventy six to today. I
49:54
wish you guys could have seen the interview
49:56
as well as heard it because he
49:58
his energy has, like, there's
50:01
he you could I could steer at LeVar Burton's
50:04
eyes for a long time. He's just kind
50:06
and just what a great I feel
50:08
all warm and fuzzy like I said. What
50:11
an interesting, amazing man. Anyway,
50:13
thank you. I hope you guys had fun. You
50:16
got questions, I got answers. Let's hit the
50:18
load down line. Hello.
50:22
You've reached literally
50:24
in our lowdown line, where
50:26
you can get the lowdown on all
50:28
things about me, bravo, 3235704551.
50:37
So have at it. Here's the beat.
50:39
Hi. This is Diane from Oregon. I
50:42
just finished listening to your book fascinating,
50:45
loved it. I am now watching the
50:47
stand and saw a female's
50:49
fire. Dan, you are a wonderful actor.
50:52
Anyway, in the book, you said you
50:54
got to see a version of outsiders
50:56
that includes the scenes you had filmed
50:59
but had been cut. Is there a way for
51:01
the public to see that version of the outsiders?
51:04
Thanks
51:04
much. Hope you're having great day. Bye.
51:06
Oh, thank you. Thank you for that question. Yes.
51:09
In fact, I tell everybody, if
51:12
you're gonna watch the outsiders, Don't
51:14
watch the outsiders. You watch the
51:16
outsiders. It's great. But the version
51:19
that has all of the stuff that
51:21
we originally shot
51:24
which includes everybody's stuff. It's the
51:26
it's the movie we thought we were making.
51:29
The outsider's version that
51:31
is commonly known as
51:33
the outsider's the original does
51:36
not follow the book. Really
51:38
at all. So
51:41
that's why they call the version I'm talking
51:43
about, the outsiders. The
51:46
complete novel. So that is the
51:48
title. The outsiders, the
51:50
complete novel. And I think that has
51:52
actually now become the
51:55
the version of record in in
51:57
schools that study the outsiders
51:59
because they usually kids have to read the
52:01
book in the seventh grade, and then they Traditionally
52:03
show the movie. They're finally now
52:06
showing the outsiders to the complete
52:08
novel, which is nice because all my
52:10
stuff's back in it. Anyway, thanks
52:12
thanks for the question. Appreciate it.
52:15
More fun next week on literally. So please
52:18
make sure you just download the whole season.
52:21
Would you? Because they're all really super good,
52:23
but next week is in particular one of my
52:25
favorites. So I will see you next week on literally.
52:29
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52:31
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52:33
help from associate producer, Sarah Baguard,
52:36
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52:40
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52:42
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52:45
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52:47
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52:49
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