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you teeny boppers you

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80s lovers. It's

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gonna be very exciting. Representing 16

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magazine Tiger Beat magazine. Obviously

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me. Thank you. You're welcome.

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And Rick Springfield. I

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mean, come on. With

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that lab coat. Who's he kidding?

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look like we might be long lost brothers. Very

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guy. How

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are you, brother? I'm good. How are you doing? Were

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you just singing Angie before you came on?

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because it's so weird. I've

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been I've been going through this Mick Jagger, you know,

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Renaissance, like, like, like

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actively doing it. And then I woke up today to a

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birthdays in two days, will you do a quick

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video to say happy birthday? I

3:15

literally, literally

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just did a birthday video for

3:19

Mick Jagger. And then you come on and you're singing Angie.

3:21

What is going on? He's everywhere.

3:24

Yeah. How old is he? Oh,

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that's freaking crazy. Crazy, right?

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But how great is it as

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an inspiration? Yeah,

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no, he's a no one thought

3:40

it would be going on that long. He's

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really he's really the kind

3:45

of the pinnacle of all that. Roger Dolce is

3:47

close, but Roger is having,

3:50

you know, throat issues. But Mick

3:52

still you still make. I

3:54

mean, greatest frontman ever, right?

3:57

OK, give me your top. Give me your top three.

4:00

I have a very surprising number

4:03

two, Front Man. And I think you're going

4:05

to like it. Give me your top three.

4:08

Well, Hendrix would be number one. And

4:10

I could say the name of Front Man because he was the band.

4:16

Yeah, I think Mick, certainly,

4:19

especially in the early days

4:21

when it was

4:24

all new, you know, to him too. And

4:30

Bon Scott, ACDC.

4:35

Okay, well, fellow countrymen, yes. Yes,

4:38

he is, yeah.

4:40

My number two, a

4:42

dark horse, fellow countryman of yours, Michael

4:45

Hutchins. Yeah, he was

4:48

a great frontman. I've seen

4:51

a lot. I'm a big fan of music, and

4:53

he was fucking

4:56

sick. Yeah, I

4:58

saw them in the Greek, I think. Front

5:00

Man's a lost art in a weird

5:03

way. I think everybody's

5:05

too cool to try. Well,

5:08

there's music so split up now. There's

5:11

the big Vegas shows like all the

5:13

girls are doing. And

5:15

then there's the rock shows that

5:17

we're still trundling out, you know.

5:20

But

5:23

it's a different thing now. I

5:25

mean, I'm sure there's 50 million

5:29

people that would say Taylor Swift is

5:31

the best Front Man. Right, right.

5:33

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What,

5:36

you're on tour right now. Are you in the middle

5:38

of your tour right now? The end of it, middle

5:40

of it? It's middle of the summer, so you've got to be right in the thick

5:42

of it.

5:43

No, we actually start August 4th. Oh, okay,

5:45

August 4th.

5:48

I want my 80s tour with who all

5:50

is on the bill. Hooters?

5:55

Yeah.

5:58

They actually

5:59

have two hours. I've toured America for a long time,

6:01

so actually really excited to do

6:03

that. Paul Young, every

6:05

time you go away, the English singer.

6:07

Yeah. And the tubes are on some,

6:10

John Waite is on some, and Tommy

6:12

Tutone is on them as well. So

6:16

we're mixing and matching here. Pheeweibil,

6:19

what a great name. Pheeweibil

6:21

of the tubes. Is that his real name?

6:23

You're going to have to ask him. You

6:26

know, he was a friend of his. We wrote

6:28

Richard Marks a friend of mine. He wrote a lot of

6:31

Richard Marks songs, the initial Richard Marks

6:33

stuff with him. Yeah, of course. So I have to ask Richard

6:35

if Pheeweibil's real name.

6:37

Pheeweibil.

6:39

It's too good. That's such a great rock

6:41

and roll name.

6:43

I know. And

6:45

She's a Beauty is about a guy

6:49

hooking up with a girl to find out that the girl is a

6:51

dude, right? I

6:54

am not familiar with the back story on

6:56

that one. Yeah, She's a Beauty is

6:58

my favorite tube song. Yeah, it's a great

7:00

song. It's the David Foster one, right? Yes,

7:03

that's right. D'ogeau, D'Foz. That's

7:06

how I know all these guys from D'Foz.

7:08

And of

7:10

course John Waite, you

7:12

have to tell him, if he doesn't play the fucking

7:15

theme from about last night on this

7:17

tour, I will be livid with him. What's

7:20

that? It's called If

7:22

Anybody Had a Heart. Really

7:24

good song. I haven't heard him do that. He's

7:27

got all his great stuff. He's

7:30

a top five voice, one of the top five voices

7:33

for me. For sure, right? Yeah,

7:35

he's amazing.

7:36

I mean, Paul Rodgers, Steve

7:38

Marriott.

7:40

I think Paul McCartney is up there just because he's got so

7:42

many fucking voices. And

7:44

Bon Scott and John would

7:47

certainly be top ten easy. It's

7:50

amazing. When you were a kid growing

7:52

up in Australia, what bands did you see

7:54

that influenced you? I saw The Beatles

7:57

in 64. Okay, let's talk about that.

8:00

What was that? What was it like?

8:02

I have a friend who saw them at the Hollywood Bowl

8:04

and said that they were glowing. Yeah,

8:07

it was like the aliens had landed. First

8:10

of all, it's Australia. So back then, Australia

8:13

had the pompadours and the leather suits, and

8:15

we're still rocking the 50s.

8:17

And only opening bands were that.

8:21

And then they came on with their

8:23

shaggy hair and the Cuban heel boots

8:25

and those instruments that we'd never seen

8:28

before. And it was absolutely like

8:30

the aliens had landed.

8:32

I was 14 and

8:34

my mouth opened up and I screamed

8:36

like a little girl through the whole show. It was

8:39

freaking awesome. Wow.

8:42

Unbelievable. What was it? I

8:44

mean, you kind of said it. It's the look, it's the instruments,

8:46

it's the vibe. It

8:48

was a lot of things. I think it was a lot of things.

8:50

I think,

8:51

first of all, you couldn't have,

8:53

I mean, the fact that they were,

8:56

I've heard them referred to as angels, four

8:58

angels. You couldn't have,

9:01

if you'd scoured the country, you couldn't have found four

9:04

more perfect

9:06

people in a band. John and Paul, incredible

9:08

writers, drove each other to great

9:11

heights. Everyone was

9:13

this incredible,

9:14

they added something amazing to it.

9:17

And the fact that they're all

9:19

born in the same town at the same time

9:21

and

9:22

in the same area and that they came

9:24

together, it's

9:25

absolutely predestined.

9:27

And

9:30

all the things that happened, the

9:34

crazy stuff that, but for

9:37

this, like the Titanic, they could

9:39

have missed. Plus Kennedy's

9:41

death, it's the theory, Kennedy's

9:43

death. Suddenly America looked elsewhere for their

9:46

sucker.

9:46

And

9:49

here with these four angels landed

9:51

and said, we'll make you happy.

9:53

And

9:56

just a combination of so much.

9:59

It wasn't just...

9:59

they got it, they're cute and they got some good songs.

10:02

It was just this power. I

10:04

mean, that first appearance

10:06

on TV changed every musician's

10:09

life. Every single one.

10:11

It's almost a cliche to even

10:13

talk about, because I don't care who you are,

10:16

everybody's life who saw that was changed. Yeah.

10:20

How did

10:21

a band who'd never played the country before,

10:24

and had what? One-hit record, two-hit records?

10:26

Do that to the audience.

10:29

Have that many people tune in. It's just

10:32

incredible.

10:34

There'll never be another one. We all wanted

10:36

to be their next Beatles, but

10:39

the Beatles took care of that.

10:42

It is amazing how everybody wanted to be

10:44

the next Beatles, and instead of being the next Beatles,

10:47

they were their own great

10:49

thing. Well, the Beatles wanted

10:51

to be Elvis. The Beatles wanted to be the

10:53

Everly Brothers.

10:55

That's right. They became their own thing.

10:57

I

11:00

always talk about how if you're

11:02

lucky enough to be in something, a part

11:04

of something that enters the zeitgeist, even in

11:07

a not just obviously have to be at

11:09

the Beatles level, like the irony is you

11:11

don't get to participate in it. I always think about

11:13

like

11:14

those four guys never got to enjoy

11:16

the Beatles because they were the Beatles. Do you know

11:18

what I mean? It's crazy. Even

11:21

now, I think Paul

11:22

enjoys it in retrospect.

11:26

I think Ringo has mixed feelings,

11:28

but I know people who play with

11:30

them and they say, they

11:32

actually love to talk about it privately.

11:36

You come up and go, Ringo,

11:38

what was it like to be in the Beatles? Privately,

11:42

they

11:43

understand that it was a magic

11:46

moment. I once

11:48

asked Francis Ford Coppola what it was like

11:50

to make The Godfathers. And

11:53

he said, you know, to me,

11:55

The Godfathers is like that lamp. It

11:59

exists. People have their feelings

12:01

about it. Making

12:04

the Godfather was the Godfather. And

12:06

I always thought that was man-made plan. I

12:09

mean, did you say that making it was an amazing thing?

12:13

Yeah, yeah. He said making

12:15

it is when he thinks... Because it is that thing, you make

12:17

something and it becomes...

12:19

It's on its own. It has its own life. Yeah. Yeah.

12:22

Yeah. I mean, the perfect

12:25

segue into Jessie's Girl. Talk

12:28

about the song that fucking song has its own... I

12:30

mean, how many lives does that song have, do you think?

12:33

Yeah. Going through... I mean, it has its

12:35

first hit. You know,

12:37

that's the kind of song that

12:39

what happened to that song, you can't predict, you can't...

12:42

Even

12:43

if it's a hit, you can't say, yeah, that's gonna

12:46

be that. Let me ask you this though. I

12:48

always have these... I

12:50

always feel like, man, I'd love to be in the room

12:53

when they play that back for the first time,

12:55

and they all look around and go, yeah, I

12:57

think that'll work. Like, did

12:59

you have that moment with that song? Yeah, this

13:01

works. I didn't actually think it was the

13:04

best song on the album. I was actually... I

13:06

took all my demos to Keith Olsen. Keith

13:08

Olsen was

13:09

a big 80s producer. He passed away. But

13:12

he was a

13:13

good friend, became a good friend. And he did

13:15

Fleetwood Mac. He did Foreigner. He

13:17

did Pat Benatar. He did

13:20

all the...

13:21

A lot of the real big 80s hits. And he... I

13:23

was at Sound City at the time,

13:25

managed by the guy that owns Sound City. I don't

13:27

know if you saw that Dave Grohl documentary,

13:30

but he did a great documentary on Sound City. That's

13:32

a sick documentary. It's amazing.

13:34

So I

13:36

was in that because I was one of the Sound City rats,

13:39

you know, hanging around and happened

13:41

to record there and have a

13:43

successful

13:44

record. And Keith Olsen

13:47

agreed to do two songs with me and what

13:50

was considered my first album. It wasn't with my

13:52

fourth. And he said,

13:55

bring your demos over. So I brought

13:57

my little four-track demos over to his house

13:59

and played them.

14:00

And he picked Jesse's girl and I was going why

14:02

do you pick that? That's not the best song on the album

14:05

But he picked it and then he and

14:07

then he wouldn't pick another one No, it's even more upset

14:09

because he brought in the Sammy Hagar song. I've done

14:11

everything for you I said what's wrong with one of my dude?

14:14

It worked out, you know, but um

14:17

So yeah, I wasn't sure that

14:19

that was the right song. In fact, now there was a record

14:22

company they actually released I've done every everything

14:24

for you first and

14:26

And nothing happened with it. And

14:28

then the radio stations picked up Jesse's girl and

14:30

started playing it

14:31

Which couldn't happen now because radio stations

14:34

don't do that anymore You don't have DJ's finding

14:36

great songs and going I'm gonna play this because I like

14:38

the song

14:39

It's not that amazing that that

14:42

in and of itself is amazing. It makes you think of all

14:45

of the things that were Were lost.

14:47

Yeah, that was yeah Music

14:50

business is very different now Well, so every

14:52

businesses the acting business is different everything's different,

14:54

you know to get a part they

14:56

they check your You know

14:59

your following on the internet your

15:01

Instagram following. Yeah. Yeah,

15:03

it's it's unbelievable. I mean, that's why

15:06

I Have I mean

15:08

you almost have to have some presence

15:10

on social media and I and I I kind

15:13

of mixed feelings about it I really super super

15:15

enjoy it and then I then you

15:17

kind of have to monitor it and you go down rabbit holes

15:19

It's a it's such a weird thing, but it is a part.

15:22

It's a bit very important

15:24

Very important. Yeah, it's because you know, like the

15:26

music business is what it is. The movie business

15:28

is what it is It's become what it's become

15:31

it.

15:31

There's no point, you know

15:33

Fighting it going on man. I wish they'd you know

15:36

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15:39

how it is and that's and it'll change again. So

15:42

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19:50

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19:52

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19:54

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19:56

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19:59

Nick is with me 24-7, but I

20:02

love acting too. You know, it's

20:04

especially the writing seems to

20:06

have gone to TV now, and there's some amazing

20:09

writing there.

20:12

And as you know, it starts

20:14

with the writing, obviously. And

20:19

when I'm in the acting thing, that's all

20:21

there is, you know? And I love it. And

20:23

when I'm in the music thing, that's all there is. So it's

20:25

really, it's the same driver.

20:27

It's just a different skill set, really,

20:30

that thing. It's

20:32

the same driver, you know, the same creative driver

20:34

that you want to, makes you want to do it and makes

20:37

you either good or mediocre at it.

20:40

Did you, I've always thought about the

20:42

skill it must require

20:44

to do a soap because

20:47

of the sheer volume. That's the hardest

20:50

thing in the world.

20:51

It has to be, right? Yeah, I don't even think

20:53

it's acting, really. For me,

20:56

it's all about line memorization. I

20:58

mean, and I

21:00

wondered today, that was in the, did

21:02

they have, did you guys have teleprompters or

21:05

cue cards? You did. Yeah, we

21:07

worked those suckers too. They

21:10

don't now, actually, which would totally

21:12

screw me up. But there

21:13

was so much, they're talking heads. There's

21:16

no action and it's repetitive

21:18

and it really is the hardest acting

21:21

game because you're never satisfied

21:23

with what you do because it's generally first take

21:25

and if nothing falls, no lights fall or anything,

21:28

they'll go with it.

21:29

Literally it is literally the

21:31

first, you're not even kidding. It's like if they get anything

21:33

resembling the

21:36

scene, they're moving on. Moving

21:39

on. Yeah, moving on.

21:40

And the staging always makes me

21:42

laugh too, which is, it's like

21:45

there's a person, a huge space

21:47

and two other people and the scene's

21:49

going, I go, why is there a big space there? And sure enough,

21:52

inevitably somebody else is going to come in and stand

21:54

in the hole, right? It's the

21:57

greatest. Excellent blocking.

21:58

Yeah. How many?

22:00

Okay, walk me through a day on a soap

22:03

in in the late 70s. Like.

22:07

Well, I was I joined it in 80 just

22:09

as 81 was a 1980. I

22:12

think I joined it in 1980 just as General Hospital

22:14

was about to take off. And I was

22:16

fortunate to walk on at that moment

22:19

that it became like the biggest show on

22:21

TV for the summer. It had nothing

22:24

to do with me. It was just, you know, a combination

22:26

of all the great characters and Gloria Monti,

22:28

who was

22:29

the producer who picked me and

22:32

picked

22:33

Laura and Luke and all the money. And Luke,

22:35

man. Yeah, I saw him actually. He

22:37

lives in Amsterdam now. I thought we played that

22:40

did something in Amsterdam.

22:41

Tony Geary. Yeah, five years, about 10

22:44

years ago. And we met up with him and we

22:46

all went to a stoner bar

22:48

and got totally stoned out of our brain.

22:51

And he's walking around leading us all

22:53

around Amsterdam, showing us Amsterdam. It

22:55

was unbelievable. I mean, and he's

22:57

such an unlikely leading man. Even

23:00

then he was a very unlikely leading man.

23:02

Totally. Yeah. But he was he was I watched. I

23:05

mean, and I am not

23:07

I'm what, 16, 15 something

23:09

at the time, not the audience.

23:12

And I was I was watching. And it

23:14

was and it was him.

23:15

By the way, for me, it was I mean,

23:18

Laura Gray, whatever it was. He was

23:20

dude, he had I don't know what he just had

23:22

something. Yeah, no, he did. He

23:25

is a I think he's a really, really good actor.

23:27

And and it's hard to be a good actor

23:29

on the salt because, you know, it's all like

23:32

I said, it's all line memorization. It's first

23:34

take. It's.

23:37

I mean, I like when I was on it, I was

23:39

also doing gigs on the weekend. We went playing

23:41

for flying 24 seven before

23:44

the airlines

23:45

took a nose.

23:47

So I'd go out. I'd finish

23:49

the show Friday night, jump on a

23:51

plane, fly somewhere,

23:53

play a show,

23:54

get up early morning, fly to another place, play

23:56

a show, get up early Sunday, fly us to a show,

23:58

get up early Monday morning. like about three in the

24:00

morning, fly back

24:03

to L.A. and time to walk on to the set of eight

24:05

o'clock in the morning. And so

24:07

you didn't have a lot of time to learn the lines. I'd

24:09

be rehearsing them on the plane with my tour

24:11

manager playing the girl. Life's

24:13

working like this, you know, it was

24:16

it was crazy. What

24:18

a time. Yeah, it was pretty wild.

24:21

It was it's it's a time honored

24:23

tradition started probably by by

24:26

made what Ricky Nelson back

24:28

in

24:29

right. And the first one to be

24:31

on a TV show and in flying.

24:33

And then and then David, of course.

24:36

I think I

24:38

my my research

24:40

tells me

24:41

that you and I shared the cover of 16

24:44

magazine. I

24:47

bet we did. Many,

24:50

many times. Teen Beat. Here

24:52

it is. Here it is. The December 83.

24:56

Teen Beat cover. Wow. We're

24:59

still around, baby. How about it? We're

25:01

still cute. It was kind of cute,

25:04

I think. You know, it's really funny.

25:06

I was recording an album

25:08

called Rock of Life in Nassau

25:10

in the Bahamas. Right. And then the morning

25:12

we

25:13

we'd go down to the beach

25:15

and I'm down there and this guy

25:17

comes up to me and goes, Rob.

25:19

And I go, no, my name's Rick. No,

25:22

it's me. Whatever his name was. Rob

25:25

Lowe. It's me. I'm going, I'm

25:27

not Rob Lowe. You said, yes, you are.

25:29

What are you talking about? Well, it's me.

25:32

The guy wouldn't wouldn't take

25:34

no. It was so weird. That's

25:37

a maze. I think, you know, I think is interconnected

25:40

with us, too, is John Taylor from

25:42

Duran Duran. I think he's in our similar. He's

25:45

in our club, right? Yeah. We

25:47

need to have our own club and have a name for it. It's

25:49

me, you, John Taylor,

25:51

maybe Johnny Stamos. Maybe we'll let him in.

25:54

Yeah. He hit up

25:56

to work his way in. That's what I feel. I

25:59

have to. themselves. I

26:01

agree. I agree. Although he's

26:03

a hell of a drummer. I mean, yeah, yes, he is.

26:05

You're right. You're right.

26:07

Play an instrument. I

26:09

played shitty five open

26:12

chord, you know, rock and roll rhythm

26:14

guitar. That's

26:16

right. But you know what I, but you know what? I can pose

26:19

like no other. That's all that matters. Oh

26:21

dude. I,

26:23

so I was, I, I remember

26:25

I'm a big Bruce Springsteen fan and I

26:28

remember when Patty Scalfa joined the band

26:30

and even before they were together and she's

26:33

an amazing background singer. And we were talking

26:35

during one of the early tours, you guys, Bruce wants

26:37

me to play on the next tour and

26:40

I don't play guitar at all. I'm

26:42

learning. I go tell, and I was learning at the

26:44

time. So I was like, tell

26:47

me what he's telling you. What is he telling

26:49

you to do? He says he's telling me one thing,

26:51

play in front of a mirror

26:53

because the pose is half the bow. And

26:57

I did a movie. I was lucky enough to do

26:59

a movie with Meryl Streep called Ricky in the Flash.

27:02

Yeah. Well, I, I played her,

27:04

her boyfriend and a band member, right? And

27:07

she had never, you

27:08

know, played and done the rock

27:10

and roll thing. And she learned guitar unbelievably,

27:13

which

27:14

is so her, but we're doing

27:16

the, we're shooting some

27:18

of

27:19

the scenes in the club

27:21

and she's asking me questions. And it was very astute

27:23

that you would say all that because she said,

27:25

how do I stand and how

27:28

far do I get from the microphone? All that she wanted

27:30

to know the

27:31

right look, you know, it

27:33

was anything

27:37

and anything in line. This is the lesson for everything

27:40

in life. Half of it is confidence.

27:43

If not more, don't you think? Yeah,

27:45

absolutely. Especially

27:48

in a, in a reading room when

27:51

you're, you know, reading from heart. I

27:53

have to ask you about the most obscure thing ever.

27:56

High tide. Oh my God.

27:58

Now I'll listen to that. hang on with me, guys, this

28:01

could be I could be right or I could be wrong. Is

28:03

it possible that the showrunner

28:06

creator that I'm currently working

28:08

with on 911 Lone

28:10

Star did high tide Tim Minear?

28:13

Oh, my God.

28:14

Tim is awesome.

28:16

Yes, it is. It it is. Tim

28:18

wrote that Tim wrote the first series,

28:21

the first season of high tide.

28:23

And we're going, this guy's great. He'd

28:25

like remember. He'd keep the storylines

28:28

going. And it was incredible. And

28:30

oh, you're very lucky to be working with him. I

28:32

knew he was going to do great things because he was just

28:35

he was a cut above everybody else on the

28:37

do you know, in the production team.

28:39

And

28:41

and then he did American Horror Stories, right? Was

28:43

it? Yeah. Yeah. Which I loved.

28:45

He had me on there for one one episode.

28:47

And it was so much fun. He's incredible.

28:50

Loved him.

28:51

He's he also did Feud, which

28:54

is one of my favorite limited

28:56

series as well. And we love we love

28:58

working. We're on season.

29:01

This will be season five of Oh, wow. And

29:03

Lonestar. So great, dude. I loved him.

29:06

Give him a big hug from you for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

29:09

That we we spent we spent 10 years

29:12

when one year in New Zealand, Tim

29:15

Yannick Besson, who is actually

29:17

the guy that played my little brother is

29:20

is on the longest running show in Canada,

29:22

the Murdoch Mysteries. I don't know if you if you're

29:25

familiar with that. Yes. Yeah,

29:27

he said he played my younger brother. He's been

29:29

on that show for like 12

29:30

years or something. But

29:33

he actually I actually worked with him.

29:35

Oh, you did. Yeah, he's great. Yeah.

29:38

Lovely guy. He's a big hearted

29:40

dude. And yeah,

29:43

Tim, him and I were the kind of.

29:45

We were the ones kind of going, you

29:47

know, what the fuck is this production company? Tim

29:52

tells great stories about like how it just

29:55

it was like apocalypse now like

29:57

like who's in charge here? Ain't you like.

30:00

It was like oh, you mean high tide.

30:02

Yeah. Yeah like getting down there dude. It

30:05

was insane We were the first ones actually

30:07

one of the first shows to film in New Zealand

30:09

was before Lord of the Rings and

30:11

any of that stuff

30:13

and these guys that They we

30:15

came in and

30:16

all these New Zealand production people

30:18

thought they had to do everything we

30:20

wanted I learned

30:23

my lines Audio-wise, you know,

30:25

I talk them into the type of cord and I listen

30:27

to them as I work out and stuff like that

30:29

and they couldn't find

30:31

A tape recorder that recorded and

30:33

played back with a speaker in it. I don't know Like

30:37

whatever in New Zealand, so they had to fly

30:39

to some other country to

30:41

get me this recorder

30:44

And it was just they did all this like just

30:46

went over the top to make

30:48

us You know, they thought Hollywood

30:50

was moving into to New Zealand.

30:53

It was very very fun That's

30:56

that's as I know. I know what I need to

30:58

ask you about You am

31:00

I imagining do I remember seeing you

31:02

at live aid? Mm-hmm.

31:04

Yeah, I was on after run DMC I

31:07

see before the Hooters. I think the Hooters

31:10

are on there with me. Were

31:12

you at Philly or in London? Yeah,

31:14

we're in Philly Boy,

31:17

that was a thing.

31:18

Yeah, it was pretty nuts.

31:19

That was a thing What do you have

31:22

any

31:22

what do you remember about live aid?

31:25

Um, it was really exciting. There was electricity

31:28

backstage. Sure. Um,

31:31

Uh, I was a bit into

31:33

my

31:34

hey, don't talk to me mode, you know I

31:36

don't know if you went through that, you know, you

31:38

go through hey You

31:39

know stay back, you know, you go

31:42

you go through that till you realize hey wait,

31:44

that's I'm being a

31:46

real friggin jerk Uh

31:48

and and eric clapton wanted to meet me because we

31:51

had the same

31:51

Agent and I go. Sorry,

31:54

man. I'm about to go on. I can't meet eric Amazing

31:59

unbelievable

31:59

I turned down the chat to meet

32:02

Eric Clapton. What a fucking

32:04

idiot. Amazing.

32:07

When I met Eric, he

32:09

was, by the way, the nicest man ever. Yeah, he's

32:12

super sweet. He said the greatest thing to me

32:14

that I'll never forget. He said,

32:16

you should really come see me play live. I

32:18

think it's what I do best. And I just

32:20

like, oh, you do, do you? Playing

32:23

live is what you do best. No kidding. I'll

32:27

agree with that. Yeah. You

32:30

also are in the, we're in the

32:32

TM club. You practice TM.

32:35

I do. Yeah.

32:37

I have

32:39

depression, you know,

32:42

and that's really been one of the things that's really helped

32:44

me, actually.

32:45

It's impossible for me to be depressed

32:48

when I'm truly meditating and connected. Really,

32:50

it's been a great, great

32:52

savior for me. How

32:54

do you, do you do it the way,

32:57

like religiously twice a day, the way people

33:00

say it or as needed? Like, how do you practically

33:02

work it? I started twice

33:04

a day, then I cut it back to once a day. Yeah. Now

33:07

it's once a day in the mornings. But,

33:10

you know, I'll do it on the road anytime

33:12

because

33:13

there's a lot of spare time on the road. But

33:16

my wife and I practice it together, which is really

33:19

very, very connecting. And,

33:22

you know, there's someone

33:24

there to

33:26

make sure he doesn't skip it, you know?

33:28

No, it's really true because I'm new-ish

33:32

to it. TM,

33:34

for those of you who may not know, is transcendental

33:36

meditation. And I've been trying to meditate.

33:40

I've

33:40

been trying to figure out meditation for literally 20, over 20

33:42

years. Yeah. I have too, actually.

33:45

Since the mid 80s, where

33:48

I used to

33:49

fall asleep, you know? Yes, yes!

33:51

Fall asleep, get bored,

33:54

and I find this is the only one where I still

33:56

fall asleep sometimes when I'm done. I still...

33:59

They say you're...

33:59

They say you must need to then.

34:01

That's right. That's what that's. I

34:04

love that there's no way to screw it up. You know,

34:06

you just kind of. Here's

34:08

my other philosophy. All my

34:11

people that I know in TM, I think they give us

34:13

all the same month. We obviously never show

34:15

your mind. No, you can't tell them that. And

34:17

I'm and I never have an end. No one no

34:20

one I know has ever told me their mantra.

34:22

That said, we suspect there's

34:24

only one mantra and we all have. We all I

34:27

think we all think we're special. Yeah, they

34:30

they pick this one specially for me. Yeah,

34:33

I don't recall them asking any particular special

34:35

questions about me. So do they know? Yeah,

34:38

yeah. You seem like you're a buga

34:40

buga, buga, buga, buga guy. Yeah.

34:43

There's your mantra. Yeah. Buga, buga,

34:45

buga. The blue.

34:48

Beluga for sure would be my mantra.

34:50

I'd be very down with lots of.

34:53

Well, they don't think I mean, it's

34:55

supposed to be, you know, if you

34:57

if I had Beluga, I'd be constantly thinking

34:59

of, you know, a white whale.

35:02

That's

35:02

right. Yeah. Yeah.

35:04

It's supposed to mean nothing to you. Nothing to. Yeah.

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36:42

also saw in my research that you, I

36:44

don't know if it's a current song of yours, one

36:46

of your songs that you just have recorded, Automatic

36:49

came to you in a dream. Is that true?

36:51

In a dream. Yeah, yeah. I

36:53

have a new album called Automatic, and that's kind

36:56

of the focus song, one of the focus songs.

36:58

There's 20

36:58

songs on it, so we have a choice.

37:01

But it was just, I couldn't stop writing. I'm

37:04

here in my studio where I recorded it.

37:06

And

37:09

usually when you dream a song,

37:11

and it usually happens when you're writing, in a writing

37:13

binge, you know, and

37:15

usually when I dream a song, I wake up and

37:17

I go, oh man, that was a great song. And

37:19

then I go, yeah, it was a great song when the Stones

37:21

wrote it. You know,

37:24

you realize it's somebody else's song. But

37:27

I woke up at three in the morning with this song

37:29

in my head and said, oh, I wonder

37:31

who wrote that.

37:33

And it was nobody. So I wrote it, got up and wrote

37:35

it down. You know, you got to finish it, obviously.

37:38

But yeah, when that happened, it's very

37:40

rare and it's pretty exciting.

37:43

The reason I brought it up

37:45

is I think it has

37:48

something to do with meditation because I

37:51

recently, this never happened to me,

37:53

I dreamed an entire new,

37:55

I'm starting

37:58

a production company. One of the things we like. like

38:00

we're doing is we're working on creating

38:03

game shows, fun new game shows. And

38:06

I created a brand new game show. Oh,

38:08

that's great. From rules

38:10

to the set to the

38:12

name. All like

38:15

literally it was like, it came to me

38:17

like it was a crystal clear document

38:20

in my dream. And as

38:22

a producer, you know, we go

38:24

in and we pitch things to networks and to

38:27

studios and whatever. I've never had

38:29

anything bought

38:31

in the room as I pitched it. I've

38:33

had things bought, but never in the room.

38:36

So I have the game show idea. I make an appointment

38:39

to go and pitch it.

38:40

I sold it the next day. Wow.

38:43

So from dream to reality,

38:46

one day. That's incredible. It's called

38:48

word bridge. So at some point

38:51

it'll be coming out and I'll talk about it. But literally

38:53

came completely out of a dream. I'm

38:56

a big believer in the shoemaker's elves.

38:58

You know the story, right? Where

39:01

the guy, the

39:02

shoemaker is a poor shoemaker and

39:05

he's not doing well and he goes to sleep and these elves

39:08

make the shoes for him as he's sleeping.

39:11

And

39:12

when you go to bed with a thought,

39:15

I remember when I was writing my autobiography,

39:18

I go, how the hell am I ever gonna remember what happened

39:21

40 years ago? You go to bed and

39:23

I knew I'd wake up and it's all

39:26

back there and it's brought forward. And

39:28

that happens for me with songs.

39:30

When I'm having a problem with a song, I go to sleep and

39:33

I'll wake up with an answer. When you

39:35

concentrate

39:36

on something,

39:38

really focus on something, then your

39:40

mind, your subconscious does

39:42

a lot of the work while you're sleeping. And I

39:44

suspect that's

39:45

kind of what happened with you. It

39:49

feels like magic, but it's really, I

39:51

think you're,

39:53

you know, the gods also, the gods

39:55

have a hand in it, I believe, but it's also your

39:57

mind

39:58

doing the work while you're sleeping.

39:59

like the shoemaker gel, just sort of call them

40:02

that. The other breakthrough I had was

40:04

it's super hard for me to wake up really

40:07

hard. And so the notion of

40:09

people like you were like, and then I woke up and I wrote

40:12

it down and I went back to this. I'm like, I'm

40:14

not,

40:15

I can't tell you how many ideas I've had where

40:17

I'm like, that's a great idea. Oh

40:19

God, I got to wake up. And then, and then it's

40:21

gone and then I actually wake up and it's gone.

40:23

So

40:25

what I discovered like, duh,

40:28

is I can go, Hey Siri,

40:32

write down blah, blah, blah,

40:34

blah, blah. And I did it. And

40:36

that's the only reason it's around. But if I had to get a piece

40:39

of paper and write it to, forget I'm not doing that. Well,

40:41

you got to get a dog. Don't

40:45

wake up. Yeah. A dog wakes

40:48

us up at five in the morning. Don't

40:50

believe me. I have them. Yeah,

40:52

I'm sure you do. Oh, oh, I know. Hang

40:54

on. Hang on. Hang on.

40:58

Made your acting debut on

41:01

an episode. Oh God. Of

41:03

the six million dollar. Can

41:07

I just tell you for me, that was

41:09

it. The six million dollar man. Come

41:12

on. I mean, there's nothing

41:14

bigger. I was

41:16

such a fan of that show.

41:19

What was that? First of all,

41:22

what was this six million dollar man doing in your episode? Was he

41:24

bending steel? Was he jumping off of a building?

41:26

Do you remember anything about it?

41:29

I didn't actually. I

41:30

was. I was. I was. I

41:33

was. I had just been signed as a contract player at Universal.

41:35

It was the first

41:37

regular money I'd ever seen in my life.

41:39

And it was always one of the last contract players because

41:41

they eventually ended the whole thing.

41:43

But you still had to read for

41:45

the part and they still had to want you kind of thing.

41:47

You couldn't just walk in and take it. So I

41:49

read for this part and I hadn't gotten anything up

41:52

until then.

41:53

And it was for a rollerblader. Remember

41:55

rollerbladers, this angle track,

41:57

you know, they go around and bump each other. It was

41:59

for that.

41:59

Yeah, and they

42:02

said, can you roller skate? I said, of course.

42:05

Never been on a pair of roller skates in my life. And

42:08

so I got the part and I was

42:10

amazed. I said, well, you're our new, you're

42:13

our Niles or whatever the hell his name was. So

42:15

we're filming this in this roller rink

42:17

and I wanna walk up

42:20

the ramp, right, the roller rink. So I take

42:22

one skate off and put my foot

42:24

down and then the next foot I put down has a skate

42:27

on it. So it slips out from under me and

42:29

I bring my hands up, I whack myself

42:31

in the eye with the skate in my hand and

42:34

blacken my eye.

42:35

And so they had to shoot me from

42:37

the hole just the left side for the rest of

42:39

the show.

42:42

Unbelievable. But I never

42:44

did a scene, I don't think I did a

42:46

scene with Steve Austin. I

42:48

think I met him.

42:50

Lee Majors, Colonel, he's a man barely alive.

42:53

What's that? He's a man

42:55

barely alive, but we can rebuild him. We

42:57

have the technology. Yeah.

42:59

The greatest opening sequence

43:01

ever. The $6 million

43:03

man opening sequence, if you're not

43:06

pumped for that, like let's

43:08

go, my favorite now is $6 million. There

43:12

are cars that people buy for $6 million.

43:15

Now I keep- That's gonna build a leg.

43:18

Yeah, it's also like I watched a

43:21

rerun of the show Heart to Heart,

43:23

another big 80s hit.

43:25

And they're like, there's

43:28

Roger Hart or whatever, the voiceover

43:30

says. Yeah. He's a millionaire.

43:35

He better not retire then. You

43:37

gotta do titles adjusted

43:40

for inflation, I think. Yeah,

43:42

yes. Well, that's where the million dollars come

43:44

from, right? From,

43:47

you know, the million

43:49

dollars. Yeah, from Austin Powers, yes. It's

43:52

the best. It was a

43:54

lot of money once. It was

43:56

a lot of $1 million.

43:59

of my favorite Austin Powers moments.

44:03

By the way, the title doesn't quite roll off the

44:05

$600 million man. The $6 billion man would be closer.

44:11

Yeah, but

44:13

that feels like too much to me. Yeah, I could

44:16

build three of them.

44:18

See, now we've figured out why they've

44:21

never done that as a reboot. Although I hear

44:23

Mark Wahlberg's doing it. It did it. It's

44:25

just coming out. It's right here. Well,

44:28

it's $6 million man. It's kind of like

44:30

Kleenex. You just accept it.

44:34

You had a really expensive pacemaker put in. Good

44:36

for you. You

44:39

have the Robocop that costs multi-millions

44:41

of dollars, $6 million man. I was like,

44:44

well, I've got a quite a deal on that.

44:47

Did you ever do like Incredible Hulk's or any

44:49

of that? I did. I did two Incredible Hulk's

44:51

actually. I

44:52

did a pilot, one

44:55

that was going to be a pilot.

44:56

I was

44:58

doing a lot of karate

45:01

and they

45:03

had this whole pilot written where I was a cop

45:05

that also was a karate master. Yes,

45:08

of course. That was

45:10

going to be a fine, no. You got to be a cop

45:12

or a doctor or a lawyer, right? Back then.

45:15

That's right. That's right. That was

45:17

it. And they were going to do a pilot, but they said they folded

45:20

it into an episode of... Incredible

45:26

Hulk. I called it The Disciple

45:28

and was hoping it would get picked up from that.

45:30

And of course, it was just another episode of The Hulk.

45:32

But

45:33

yeah, I did

45:35

a couple of Wonder Woman. So I did one

45:38

Eddie Capra Mysteries. It

45:40

was, oh my God. The horrible TV

45:42

where it's the same script. They just send it around.

45:45

Oh yeah. The TV was horrible

45:48

in that era. Unbelievable.

45:51

It was just a factory, a total factory.

45:53

And

45:56

just crap.

45:57

Just absolute crap.

45:58

And yet we were... You remember it so fondly.

46:01

Fondly, of course. You know,

46:04

you're younger, you remember

46:05

the great young moments that you

46:07

have changed their form

46:10

in your mind as you've gotten older and become

46:12

something absolutely beautiful. I

46:14

mean, can you imagine the production meeting

46:17

where Lou Ferrigno shows up for the

46:19

first time

46:20

and he's in the hall, they're like this, at

46:23

eight o'clock we're all getting together everybody and we're gonna see

46:25

the Hulk look. They've been working on it for a really long

46:27

time. And he walks in with

46:29

spray paint on him and that wig.

46:32

And someone said, yeah, I think that's good.

46:35

And the green sneakers

46:36

that they would shoot every accidentally every

46:38

now and then. He had green sprayed sneakers. He

46:41

said that that would have been the worst gig

46:43

ever. He had this, had that all day long,

46:45

no matter how long the show went.

46:47

And he'd have to sit in a refrigerated trailer

46:49

or the paint would run.

46:51

No. Yeah.

46:53

Like super air conditioner, the green

46:55

paint would run. And can you imagine

46:58

getting it, taking it off, I'll tell you what would happen to

47:00

me because I've done special effects stuff

47:02

for a long time. Like how about taking

47:05

that off after a 13 hour day,

47:08

sitting there and the painstaking taking

47:10

it off, only to have it put on tomorrow.

47:13

I'd be like, you know, fuck it. I'm just gonna

47:15

be green. I'm gonna be green for

47:17

my life. I did a

47:19

show where I played an old guy

47:22

and they had full face makeup on and

47:24

it took like three hours.

47:26

And I had that on for 24 hours. It

47:28

was back, you know, when they just keep shooting and shooting

47:30

and shooting and shooting.

47:32

I had on for 24 hours and it was just,

47:35

like having this on

47:37

your face for 24 hours, it was horrible.

47:39

Those were the days. Those were

47:41

the days. They continue to be the days. Amazing.

47:44

This is great. Thanks brother. Yeah, great to talk

47:47

to you.

47:47

What a nice guy. So

47:51

sweet. And his tour, I want my eighties.

47:55

coming

48:00

to a city near you sometime

48:02

in August.

48:03

All right, you know what time it is. Let's

48:06

check the lowdown line.

48:10

Hello, you've reached literally

48:13

in our lowdown line where

48:15

you can get the lowdown on all things

48:18

about me, Rob Lowe, 323-570-4551. So have at it. Here's

48:20

the beep. Hey,

48:29

Rob. Ryan Becknell here from Charleston,

48:32

South Carolina. I'm a lifelong

48:34

surfer. Life is one surf trip to the next.

48:37

We don't have a ton of surf over here. But what I want to

48:39

know is I can tell that you're a lifelong

48:41

surfer, your enthusiasm when you insert

48:43

those nuggets in the podcast, get

48:45

me really stoked. Can you please tell the audience

48:48

your surf origin story? Hey,

48:51

Ryan. Shaka brah.

48:54

Love you. Listen, check

48:56

me out on TikTok, by the way. I just posted my

49:00

latest surf video from Kelly Slater's

49:03

surf ranch. It's pretty sick, I

49:05

have to admit. It might be my favorite

49:07

footage ever of me and my career. So

49:10

I'm from Ohio. No

49:12

ocean there. I moved to Malibu when I'm to Malibu,

49:15

of all places. One of the meccas

49:17

of surfing. I moved there at 12. I

49:19

go down to the beach. I try to surf. They beat

49:21

the living shit out of me.

49:23

And I'm not going to be surfing anytime

49:26

soon. Like Malibu

49:28

was gnarly then. They were

49:30

not having it. It's not like today

49:33

where every sort of milf

49:35

is out there pushing their four-year-old on a

49:37

foam board that was not

49:39

going to fly in those days. And

49:42

the notion is some 13-year-old trucking

49:45

out from Ohio learning

49:48

was not ever going to happen. But

49:51

I did learn to body surf and

49:53

boogie board. You could do that in the shore break.

49:56

So I learned the mechanics of the wave and I loved

49:58

it. And I learned how to

50:00

paddle into wave, be in a wave, how to fall,

50:03

how to get to all that stuff, but never surfing

50:05

because I was not allowed.

50:07

Flash forward

50:09

many, many years and I'm in

50:12

Hawaii with my family. I'm 40 years

50:14

old and I take my first

50:16

surf lesson and I learned

50:18

to surf. I loved it and

50:21

became obsessed with it. And

50:24

at 41 paddled back into that

50:27

Malibu break where they used to beat me up at

50:29

Little Doom and I've been surfing there ever

50:33

since. As you know, it's an

50:35

obsession. I love sports

50:38

and I dabble in almost everything and

50:40

I'm probably intermediate. I'm not an

50:42

expert at anything. I'm close at surfing

50:44

and close at skiing, but I do a lot

50:47

of stuff and golfing

50:49

and surfing are the only two that have

50:52

that addictive last

50:54

thing you think of before

50:56

you go to sleep at night quality. I mean,

50:58

I never think about the backhand I hit in tennis

51:01

as I'm going to sleep, but I will think about a wave

51:03

that I caught surfing. Yeah. So

51:06

see in the see in the breaks, see out there. Until

51:09

next week, this is me signing

51:11

off and I will see you back at Literally.

51:18

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51:20

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51:22

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51:25

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51:27

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51:29

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51:32

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