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Hello, everybody. Welcome to Literally.
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Today is a first.
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I'm more
1:15
than a little nervous. My
1:18
wife, Cheryl Lowe, is
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my guest. Not
1:23
sure how I'm going to handle this. Obviously,
1:26
looking forward to it. She's my favorite person in the
1:28
world. But it's about to get real.
1:31
Is this my version of the red table? Is that what's
1:33
happening? Is that what's what's happened here? You
1:36
be the judge of that as
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we say hello
1:40
to the love bug, Cheryl Lowe. Well,
1:43
well, well. Well, well, well. Look who we have here. The
1:45
love bug.
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Can't believe everybody knows my nickname. So
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embarrassing. Is it? Kinda.
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Um, you have a lot of nicknames though. Let's
2:07
just stick with them knowing just that one. Really?
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What other? Monkey. Right,
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okay. You're also known
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as Monkey, you're known as Lovebug, you're
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known as Lucy. Now
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that's been like a million years. Well, it's
2:24
been retired, but you've been known as Lucy and
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what does Gwyneth call you? I
2:30
don't know why, she calls me Shirley. Shirley?
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I think Shirley's a fun name though. Shirley.
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Shirley, she's joking. But
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look, I think Lovebug is super sweet.
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Yeah. And Monkey is like
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some of my friends. I mean, we're all over
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the map
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with this, Rob. That's what, you
2:49
know, you'd know that if you listened to
2:51
the podcast ever. How many, how
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many, how many of, of literally podcasts
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do you think you've listened to? Um,
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half of one. Half
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of one, maybe, right? Name, name
3:06
three guests. No,
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no, here's the thing. I hear
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about these from you. So to hear, to
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listen to the actual podcast, I feel like I'm
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listening to it for the second time. I know so much
3:18
from you. I get to hear the better parts
3:20
from you, the stuff you're thinking you don't even say in
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your microphone.
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See, I think you just
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sometimes, it's old hat. No,
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no, no, I'm never. I'm an old
3:33
hat sometimes. Wow, that's
3:35
really, that helps on date night. Um,
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no, it's that I swear, I mean,
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you definitely like to talk about yourself. So,
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yeah, that's true. If, you know,
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I mean, and I always want that to feel fresh.
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Hmm.
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So my takeaway
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is that I talk about myself
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enough for sure that. listening
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to the podcast where I'm talking would be a bridge
4:03
too far for you. Yeah,
4:05
I mean, look, if I have to really be honest,
4:08
it's because I'm so busy. That's
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true. You know, I haven't
4:13
ever listened to any podcasts, but
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I'm gonna listen to one, it's gonna be yours. Oh,
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that's just not true. That's objectively
4:20
not true. I kind of been on Instagram, I saw
4:22
a little bit of Jason Bateman
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and Lauren Nuts. I
4:29
thought they were really funny.
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No, those guys are great. They are. They're
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amazing, it's a great podcast. And Sean
4:35
Hayes is on it. I'm doing the work of three
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men. That's true. There's
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three of them on Smilas. But I saw a whole thing,
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a whole funny riff where they were like ordering takeout,
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made me laugh. I like low hanging
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fruit. We don't always agree on funny, do
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we? Do you think we show the same sense of
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humor? Because I don't think we do. No, of course
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we don't. Oh, I like that. I like
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that you're not even defending
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your position. Well, I don't have to
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defend anything. My humor, what I like
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is better than yours. Is it now? You
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try to do this whole intellectual,
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you know, like subtle funny.
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And sometimes I like to be hit in the face with it.
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I like it, I get that. I get
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that. I don't wanna have to think about what
5:15
it means for it to be funny sometimes. I mean,
5:17
I like that too, but I'm- What's
5:20
your favorite comedy ever?
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Oh, gosh. I
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mean, you know, I love- Of mine. Oh, whoa,
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of yours. Yeah, of mine. I
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mean, you know, oh boy. Did
5:36
you know I did a show called Parks and Recreation? I
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love Chris Traeger. Oh,
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ladies and gentlemen, you have witnessed. I
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like that he likes to dance and he thinks he's really good
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at it. Me too. This
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is actually you. It is me.
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You're not great at dance. No, I don't
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pretend to be good at it. I just commit. I
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know, I wish we were both better at it.
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Um, and you
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are, I'm trying to go back to the list, honey. Come on. Tell
8:05
me about, cause
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you know, I can't get enough talking about myself. Oh
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God. What? But here's the thing.
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We're talking about ourselves as a couple. So that by definition,
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half of it is going to be about me. I was telling you
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about things I like about you and now
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we're going to talk about you again. No, no, no. I
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just want to, I want to, I want you to take me back
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to what, cause I want to talk about
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what attracted me
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to you. But what, what, wait, hold on. That
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doesn't make sense. If you want me to talk about what attracted
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you to me. No, I want to talk about, I don't
8:35
even understand. I don't either. I, I haven't had,
8:37
I haven't had enough coffee. I've been eaten. I
8:39
haven't eaten and it's the time of day or South
8:41
really quickly. This is where the intermittent fast.
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I know where you're getting at. You want me to tell you
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why I liked you in the beginning. That's right.
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I didn't like you. That's true. Um,
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you totally were. You were attracted
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to me. You just didn't like me. No, no, no,
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I think it's like neither. I
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mean, I didn't dislike you, but I didn't
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think about you in that way. You were
9:01
like that guy that had the earring
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and that, you know, weird, long hair.
9:06
And you were, I considered you to be
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like small because I had always,
9:10
well, I had been dating somebody
9:12
in
9:13
there, you know, over six feet and you were
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under six feet. Um, I
9:17
mean, you were definitely, I'm
9:19
not going to call you pretty cause I'm just so sick of hearing
9:22
that. Um, but you know, obviously good
9:24
looking, great looking, great body,
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but, um,
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you know, you dressed in like those
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Elton John glasses and those, I dunno,
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you were just like, I like more like dudes.
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Um, and, so
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I thought you were, you were really nice and I'd
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see you around and we had some
9:41
of the same friends and you were a hardcore
9:43
partier and I wasn't. So
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they're like things, you know, that didn't
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attract me in your area or
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your direction.
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But when it actually did
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happen, I remember
9:56
thinking, God, he is so
9:58
much fun. And perfectly good
10:01
way, like smart, surprisingly
10:03
really smart, not
10:06
a follower in any sense, true leader. Funny
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as everybody knows about you that actually knows
10:13
you, people can see your performances
10:15
and know you're good, but
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you know Robert Hoeppler Lowe is super
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funny on a daily basis,
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nightly basis too. And
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you were engaging
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and present, a little
10:33
Hollywood and fool yourself, but
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like that was not at the top, so the other
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stuff
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definitely you know stood out way
10:41
more. So I kind of felt like I hadn't
10:43
given you a chance, you know, I wasn't, you really just
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weren't in my atmosphere. And then when you
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did get in it, I had
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such a great time with you and I wanted you as a friend,
10:52
because again you still weren't my arousal template,
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but you
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know a couple fun nights
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and a little convincing, and here we are. Okay
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that's a lot to unpack. Tried
11:05
to do the short version for you. No, no, no,
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no, I thought the length of it was exactly perfect.
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Well you've trained me well. Yeah, we've worked on
11:12
your storytelling and you're
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making leaps and bounds. Oh we'll cut to it. No,
11:17
no, that was good. What's
11:18
that what Gwyneth would say? Yeah. Land the
11:20
plane. Land the plane.
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But there's a lot to unpack.
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I want to take a minute to carve out my
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wardrobe.
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What about my, you didn't
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like my earring?
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I didn't dislike it. It just wasn't
11:33
for me. It was, there's a whole group
11:35
of people that would have loved an earring in a guy.
11:37
Oh there was. For sure.
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For sure. But not you. But
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not you. No. And.
11:45
I was into the surf scene, remember? Right. Right.
11:48
You liked super so-cal
11:52
dudes like you said. Yeah.
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Athletes, athletic, you know.
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Guys in the gym not
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talking about that. the gym. Oh, I
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was in the gym. Oh, I mean,
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come on. What? No, but I couldn't compete
12:06
with your Olympic boyfriends, Olympic
12:08
champion, big like chiseled out of a dog.
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You didn't need to compete with them because you didn't care
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about me either.
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Well, I don't know if that's true. I just, I
12:17
had a lot of distractions. Everybody
12:20
has a story. Every couple has a story about
12:22
how they met and didn't notice each other.
12:25
I shouldn't say every couple, but there are those that, you
12:27
know, our story isn't different in that way. What's great
12:29
about our story is that we
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were legit best friends and
12:34
hung out with each other. You know, after
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we got through that hump of what we just spoke about,
12:38
we were best friends. We hung out. We
12:40
had the same circle of friends. I was
12:42
dating somebody and you'd come around and hang.
12:44
And, um,
12:47
you know, I would say I was dating somebody, but I was kind of
12:49
just hanging out with someone. And you'd sometimes
12:51
fix me up with, with people. If you felt like
12:53
they were good partners, we had, we, we
12:56
knew each other in a way in
12:59
every, in every conceivable Yes.
13:01
I never, never at that time
13:03
thought about this.
13:05
Jesus. Until
13:08
weirdly it was just like, boom.
13:10
It hit me like, I mean
13:12
like a comet. Tell, tell,
13:15
tell the story about being at the Coliseum. Oh,
13:18
it's so weird. I don't even understand
13:20
it. That's what's great about it. Cause it wasn't like I thought
13:22
about you and it wasn't like when I saw you, it was like, Oh, I'm
13:24
gonna, you know, blah, blah, blah. I
13:27
was and
13:28
am good friends with Marcus
13:31
Allen and. Great running back was playing
13:33
for the Raiders. That's right. Heisman,
13:35
everything, just great guy. And
13:37
he was legitimately just my friend and
13:40
he periodic, periodically would
13:42
give me his seats and this one game, I
13:45
was there with some friends and he said to me, I'm
13:47
dating this girl. She's sitting a couple of
13:49
rows behind you, you know, check out who she's
13:51
with. She said she was bringing a friend and you know,
13:53
let me know what you think of her. And so when
13:55
I look back, the friend was you.
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Yeah. Marcus couldn't have been happy about that. I thought,
14:01
do I destroy Rob because
14:03
Marcus is not going to be pleased. In
14:05
the long run, he didn't care. But so
14:09
I went to
14:10
get a bite to eat at the concession
14:12
stands. This is at the Coliseum and I was
14:15
walking and the concession
14:17
area was like on the outside of the Coliseum.
14:20
So you walk around this whole circle and
14:22
I was on the inside and Rob
14:25
was walking toward me on the outside and I
14:27
remember seeing him and ducking. Like I didn't want him
14:29
to see me. I didn't want to deal with saying hello
14:31
or and you were just by yourself like Cruz
14:34
and nobody was bothering you.
14:36
And weird flash
14:39
came in. I don't know where
14:42
and it was like someday I'm going to be married to this guy. And
14:44
I didn't even like it.
14:47
I don't know where I realized that I had thought
14:49
that at what point in my life
14:51
because it was like there wasn't like nothing
14:53
about you. I thought about
14:55
and that was this weird thing. I don't
14:58
know. I don't understand it. It was like a like
15:01
subconscious premonition if that exists. Because
15:03
I had the same
15:05
the same with you when we took our
15:07
trip as friends to Fiji.
15:09
And
15:12
we walked into our little bungalow
15:15
and they'd put our names together on the
15:17
door. I spelled my name wrong, but yeah. They spelled your name wrong.
15:20
But I looked at it and I had the same premonition.
15:22
Well,
15:23
I mean, that's a little different. Mine's
15:25
a little more legit because we didn't even
15:27
know we weren't even. And
15:30
yours. I mean, we were already on a trip together and
15:32
sleeping together and, you know, like,
15:35
I don't know. I thought that was all part of your plan
15:38
of like this romantic. And
15:41
I had no plan. I had never had a plan
15:43
in those days. We came
15:45
home and it all fell apart. So from
15:48
my perspective, you
15:50
know, we met on a blind date. We.
15:53
Oh, yeah. Blind for you. Blind
15:56
for me. Not you obviously were like,
15:58
you're going to go to. So.
15:59
mutual friends like, yeah, a couple of girls are going to come
16:02
meet us for dinner. And we, Lucy El adobe
16:04
restaurant, Mexican restaurant, you walked in with your girlfriend.
16:07
That was how we met. It was great. And you're
16:09
right. Like I was, I was busy. I didn't, you know,
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I wasn't really on my radar
16:14
either, but like, I think
16:16
cause people always say how did, you know, 32
16:18
years is a long time. It's a long
16:20
time, particularly in, in this
16:22
business, it's like 132 years in show business. And you know,
16:26
people always
16:29
ask me, you know,
16:32
do I have any advice and you know,
16:34
do you hit it on the head for me? It's, it's
16:37
sort of the battle is won and lost with who
16:39
you choose. And
16:43
we were best friends. You were always
16:45
the person I wanted to be with hang
16:48
out with, share stuff with.
16:50
Um, and it was an
16:52
added bonus, all of the rest
16:55
of it. Um, that's so
16:57
sweet. And you know, so
16:59
here we are at 32 years in with, you
17:01
know, two boys and you know, and,
17:04
and
17:05
you know what? Well, I have to interrupt you. I want
17:07
to say that something, I just, I
17:09
get so afraid that I'm going to forget
17:12
you. The one thing I really
17:14
appreciate, I mean, one of many, but one
17:16
thing I appreciate that that's right here.
17:18
I gotta say is that you let me be me.
17:21
You don't
17:22
try to change me unless it's something that's like really maybe abrasive
17:25
or, and then that's a suggestion. Um,
17:29
you really let me do my thing.
17:31
Um, and I just
17:33
don't know if I could have been with any
17:35
other partner that would have
17:38
tried to impede in my path,
17:41
uh, spiritually, you know,
17:44
career wise,
17:45
physically, whatever,
17:48
all of it, you know, um, domestic, like, kids
17:50
and family and, you know, I mean, you just, you,
17:53
it's either you agreed with my, my
17:55
way naturally, or you just let me do it. And it was
17:57
just, it's just,
17:59
so much has been
18:02
a fun ride and it continues to be. Like
18:04
I don't think of it as the past was fun
18:06
and what's the future gonna be like everybody says.
18:09
It's like right in the moment, I mean, we're having fun. I
18:11
try not to overthink it.
18:13
Well, I appreciate
18:18
that because to me, one
18:21
of the reasons that I fell
18:24
in love with you is
18:26
all of your idiosyncrasies and
18:30
what you bring to the table. So
18:33
the no, I wouldn't wanna change any of that. That's what
18:35
I liked in the first place. Well, it's
18:36
not like you'd have the power to change it. It's what
18:38
I said is you didn't try to. I didn't mean that you
18:40
would have success because I am definitely my own
18:42
person.
18:43
For sure. So
18:48
the thing that I remember most about you is you would come
18:50
over to my house, we were just kind of casually
18:53
dating and you
18:56
would organize the house and design
18:59
it. Like the
19:01
coffee table books, you would stack
19:03
them in certain ways. You were flattered by
19:05
that, but that's just OCD. Now I
19:07
realize, now I know, knowing you
19:09
now, I know that's your OCD, that you can't walk
19:12
past a coffee table book that isn't at a perfect 90
19:14
degree angle, that that's
19:16
the way your crazy monkey brain works. I know that
19:18
now, but at the time I thought, oh man,
19:21
she really cares about me. Well, if you think I
19:23
have a crazy monkey brain, you should live with the crazy
19:25
monkey brain then.
19:26
Do you think I have a crazy monkey brain? No,
19:28
but I'm just saying, I'm not crazy.
19:30
No, no, no,
19:32
but you've got a lot.
19:35
I mean, I definitely think that your brain
19:37
could go to the Smithsonian
19:39
at some point and be put in a jar to be
19:41
examined. I mean, are we gonna be boring people?
19:43
I don't think that's boring. I mean, boring
19:46
people don't have their brains in the Smithsonian.
19:48
There are very few people that I think I'd like to see
19:50
what their brain is made of. You're one of them.
19:52
Well, it frees my brain then. I mean,
19:54
I just think there's nobody,
19:57
you have great work ethic, you've created
19:59
a bunch of companies. your jewelry,
20:01
your Cheryl Lowe designs jewelry.
20:04
Sick, I'm wearing your jewelry right now.
20:06
I love doing that. I'm going through
20:08
a bling phase because of you. Do you like my, you
20:11
like my bling?
20:12
Wait, you're not going through bling phase because
20:14
of me. I mean, yes, I've definitely helped
20:16
and aided and abetted. I'm
20:18
wearing a- Because you do have Mr. Lowe.
20:21
Mr. Lowe's the men's line. At
20:23
Cheryl Lowe Designs. Yes. And it's really
20:25
cool. And you do sketch
20:28
and you
20:28
do come up with ideas and you present it to the design
20:31
team. So I mean, give yourself more credit. I
20:33
didn't make you blinged out.
20:35
You inspired me. You inspired me. Totally blame
20:37
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22:22
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I think there's so many areas that couples
22:46
can go on the rocks. And
22:49
if- Oh, can I also say this before
22:51
you get to kids? Yeah. You
22:53
are never boring. Well, thank
22:55
you. It can be complicated, but
22:58
you're never boring. All
23:00
my friends love you. At least
23:02
they tell me they do. Yeah, what are they gonna
23:04
say? Maria loves you. I
23:07
mean, what GP loves you? Yeah,
23:10
all the, so I'm not boring. Yeah,
23:13
you wouldn't suffer a boring person. Okay.
23:16
And same, same with the same, same.
23:18
I mean, I would try with a boring person to
23:20
help them find their clown. Not
23:25
that I'm any great
23:27
shakes at that, but I mean, you know, I would help. And if
23:30
it was a lost cause, yeah,
23:31
no, I couldn't do it. Well,
23:34
that's a wonderful compliment. Better
23:37
be funny here or I'm leaving. No, no,
23:39
no, no, I actually wanna, so
23:42
what I was gonna say about kids is, I
23:46
think that if the worst, what
23:49
I always liked about you is you had, your worldview
23:51
was so interesting and unique and
23:53
I agreed with it.
23:55
And I still do. Like,
23:56
I feel like nine
23:58
and a half times. of 10. If
24:02
an issue comes up, your point of view
24:04
is going to be not only what I agree with,
24:06
but what I might not have been able
24:09
to articulate or think of on my own.
24:12
And when it comes to raising kids, I've
24:14
seen if you
24:16
don't have the same worldview as
24:17
co-parents,
24:20
it can be really, really complicated.
24:22
Because let's face it, you remember our boys, when they were teenagers,
24:25
how they would just
24:26
divide and conquer. They're relentless. They're
24:29
relentless trying to get what they want.
24:31
I'm so glad they're not doing that anymore, but our dogs
24:33
are now. Well, I know. I mean, we've
24:36
replaced, it is the same.
24:38
And we're such an old couple now. It's like, those
24:41
little dogs are like our boys. This
24:43
is supposed to be fun. It does
24:45
make it depressing, talking about being an old couple. So
24:50
with the boys, I
24:53
think you remain a great
24:55
mom because you're super hands-on.
24:57
You maybe have
25:00
a little helicopter mom in you, for
25:02
sure. But
25:07
that's an area where I let you do your thing. Like you said,
25:09
if I had it my way, would
25:13
there be less of it? Yeah. I'm sure there are things that I
25:15
do that, and you just
25:17
cut me, we cut each other that kind of slack.
25:19
And I think that's really,
25:21
really important because it's very,
25:24
very tough to navigate child raising if you don't
25:26
have the same world. Remember when we went to the,
25:29
here's a perfect example. We were looking at
25:31
schools for the kids and
25:33
we went to one school and it was
25:35
a school everybody tried to get their kids in. It was
25:37
like a big deal and we were super happy to- Well,
25:40
cut to, we were rejected, but yeah. That's not my memory
25:42
of it. My memory of it was
25:45
before that happened, I saw
25:48
that the kids were
25:53
skateboarding in the hallways, the
25:56
teachers were wearing shorts,
25:59
and the kids were calling the teachers by the first names.
26:02
Right. And I was out. I was out.
26:04
And, you know, also give the school a little credit. They're extremely
26:06
academic. A lot of great kids came out of there. Nobody
26:09
knows what school we're talking about. I know, but I'm just saying. I
26:12
know, and I want you to know
26:13
that. But my point is you were
26:14
also out. You
26:18
didn't go, oh no, but I think it's great that they
26:20
call the teachers by the first names because it creates
26:22
a sense of, you were like, yeah, no, no,
26:24
this is not for us. Right. Well, Matthew
26:26
did the interview, and he stuck
26:28
a shark's tooth in
26:30
the woman that was interviewing
26:33
him's ear. So it wasn't like you
26:35
and I had to make any decision. It was made then. For
26:37
sure. Matthew screwed his own academic
26:40
future up. Or he planned it well. Yeah.
26:43
He knew it wasn't for him. That's right. But
26:46
there are other, you know,
26:49
you're very aspirational. You
26:52
inspire me to
26:53
go to new heights. And
26:56
here's the other thing I also want to say about
26:58
a long marriage.
27:03
We're lucky enough to have role
27:05
models in that area.
27:07
It's how you navigate
27:10
the times, the
27:13
fallow times, the times where there are disagreements,
27:15
the times where there's tougher issues. Because
27:18
I would hate for people to come away from this
27:21
to just think, oh, it's all just
27:24
unicorns and rainbows. And
27:26
it's a lot
27:27
of work. And
27:29
that's not a bad thing. Some people's ears can
27:32
hear that as like, oh,
27:34
work. It
27:36
requires commitment and
27:37
work and. All good things come with hard
27:39
work. Yeah. But
27:42
I want
27:43
maybe just my perception.
27:46
But there was a time where I could look at a long
27:48
partnership and think, oh, well, it's just a perfect
27:50
partnership. And they just, it's just all
27:53
easy peasy. And I
27:56
think people bail today. way
28:00
quicker than they should.
28:02
And I think it's a societal thing. I think
28:04
my grandparents,
28:07
your grandparents were married until they died, right?
28:09
Grandparents, okay, same. So
28:13
just think about this. Your grandparents, married
28:15
to the day they died. My grandparents, married to the day they
28:17
died. People listening, probably
28:20
the same for you.
28:22
Our parents,
28:24
both my parents were married three times.
28:26
Three, what
28:27
about you? No, I
28:29
mean, you know, listen, I come from a very colorful
28:32
past. My mother
28:35
was married, I don't know, five times. God only
28:37
knows. My dad once, to my
28:40
mother, which for him was
28:42
a lifetime of marriages. So something
28:45
happened in our society.
28:47
Something happened in our society where it
28:50
became much more acceptable
28:52
and easier to
28:54
bail. What was it like the freedom
28:56
of the 60s and 70s? I
28:59
mean, that was really big changes. Think
29:01
about it.
29:02
For sure. And then bring in the 80s.
29:05
I mean, you're talking 30 years
29:07
of just bedlam.
29:10
Great bedlam. Yeah, but
29:12
my point is that. Yeah,
29:15
get to it. My
29:19
point is that, what
29:21
is my point? I need food, my blood
29:23
sugars. Your point is that, you
29:26
know, role models and, you
29:29
know, what.
29:30
Yeah, okay, thank you. You've got to put me back on
29:32
track. That they're,
29:33
you know, I know that my parents,
29:36
when things got tough,
29:37
they didn't have the tools.
29:40
They didn't have the wherewithal
29:42
and probably didn't have the want to
29:45
work and they bailed.
29:46
Time
29:48
out, like, I'm not going to get into the heads
29:50
of your parents nor anybody else's marriage that
29:53
doesn't work out, you know, awareness,
29:55
integrity, authenticity, those
29:57
things I've learned in therapy make a huge difference.
30:00
difference and our marriage is what
30:02
I can talk about.
30:03
So if people want to use us as
30:05
goals, it's because we stay current, we
30:07
work really hard on it, we bring
30:10
therapy in when we need it, you know, and some
30:12
people might roll their eyes at that and I don't care.
30:15
Like it's what works for us. We've
30:17
been through hiccups
30:19
and we find each other through it
30:21
by being willing to roll up our sleeves
30:24
and do the work. And
30:26
with expectations of
30:28
that the other person is doing the same amount of work called
30:31
balance and
30:33
supportive friendships
30:36
that are there for us, don't judge
30:39
us. And
30:41
all the while
30:43
focusing on the wellbeing of
30:45
our two sons and as
30:48
a family unit, thinking of that first
30:50
always. So I don't know,
30:53
and I don't care really what our parents did. I
30:55
just care about what we're doing and I
30:58
do care that
30:59
there are people that might look at us and say,
31:01
oh, I want to do that, you know, because
31:04
like great if we could be a part of that, some
31:06
positive reinforcement, some happiness
31:09
and some love, you know, in
31:11
a time in which there needs to be so much love
31:13
spread. And
31:16
I love that you brought up like, well,
31:18
what is our secret? There is no secret, the secret's
31:21
out. Here it is for those listening to this podcast.
31:23
It's like, just work. And
31:25
it might not work out, but
31:28
the best thing about it is you tried.
31:31
And it's like, go easier on ourselves. So
31:33
if it means two people got together
31:36
and in the long run, Rob, it wasn't really
31:38
the
31:39
union forever, like
31:41
maybe that other person's out there for them. Like it's
31:44
not the end of the world. I mean, it's
31:46
not the greatest thing either, I get it. So
31:49
I kind of, I just have a little bit of a different
31:51
attitude, it seems, than you in this situation.
31:55
This thing called love and marriage and union
31:58
partnership, you know, I mean.
31:59
It starts right with picking well,
32:02
but like what if you didn't like forgive
32:04
yourself, you know?
32:06
See this is what I'm saying. You guys just witnessed it.
32:08
That's that's a Cheryl Lowe
32:10
classic like I can't
32:12
That was not my point of view you heard mine
32:15
then you heard hers and now I'm like, you know what? She's right. I
32:18
just She's right Forget
32:21
what I said and also like
32:23
I have some fun, you know, I mean
32:25
it's like I weigh things
32:28
out I do the scale the emotional
32:30
scale and You
32:33
know, I do the work and then I want
32:35
some relief. I want some fun as well
32:38
That's it. But I look at that
32:40
my hope
32:42
my prayers and you know, it's
32:45
for my sons I For
32:48
some reason there's a little bit of a double standard Like I
32:50
if I have to look back on this my awareness as
32:52
a parent as a mother
32:55
is that I? Don't cut them
32:57
the same slack, you know, I'll meet
32:59
one of their partners. I'm like, oh that's not right
33:02
We're so not my place to do. I
33:05
Know but that's what mothers did. Now, you know what?
33:07
My mother was going through. Yeah, totally
33:09
I think is it I wonder if it's a mom thought I really
33:12
do. I just wonder if that's I
33:13
Don't know if moms are super rough
33:16
on the girlfriends
33:18
No, I have a friend who's not rough on any
33:20
of the girlfriends. She really isn't well
33:22
there's always gonna be the outlier, but I wonder
33:25
if like well, she's kind of a role model for me,
33:27
but I but I wonder if And
33:31
I don't know cuz that's another good point It's like,
33:33
you know for
33:34
males and females here both genders like find
33:37
a role model that you were talking about earlier So let's
33:39
get right back to that. Yeah, it is
33:41
nice to look at somebody even though you're
33:43
kind of comparing yourself to their outsides
33:46
So what if their outsides look good to you and
33:48
that could be a role model then, you know
33:51
goals goals I love that part
33:53
too. I just wanted to say hashtag goals hashtag
33:55
goals
33:57
But as a mother Yeah, and you
33:59
were saying to circle
34:01
back to, yeah, a helicopter mom,
34:03
I did all those things because I had a mom who was
34:06
total hippie,
34:07
and parenting for
34:10
her was being a best friend.
34:12
And that meant not a lot of discipline
34:14
unless she was in a bad mood, or we absolutely did
34:18
something to really bug her.
34:21
But it was mostly like, freedom,
34:23
do what you want. There's no curfew, and
34:26
I feel like I'm not gonna
34:28
get too deep into that, but
34:31
I wanted
34:32
some disciplines to feel safe
34:34
and secure, and I didn't have that. And
34:36
so I overcompensated with my sons.
34:39
Had I been more aware
34:41
of what was going on
34:45
internally with me, I could
34:47
have prevented
34:49
some things going on, but it's all meant
34:51
to be, and so I'm doing it now, it's never too late,
34:53
and I have a great relationship with my sons, and
34:55
so do you, because we're
34:57
doing that very thing, staying current,
35:00
focusing on awareness, and then making
35:02
changes and adjustments,
35:04
and they see that, and also just being honest with
35:06
them. Well,
35:07
and that's the other thing about
35:10
raising kids, discipline is a big
35:13
thing, and how people discipline. Your mom didn't
35:15
believe in it. I see parents all the
35:17
time that don't really believe in it.
35:19
We did, and we
35:21
were lucky that we found each other, because
35:23
can you imagine what that would have been like
35:26
if one of us believed in discipline, and it was
35:27
like, yeah, let them find themselves.
35:30
I don't want to break their spirits or whatever, and
35:32
they're running amok. Again, I'm not
35:34
gonna judge other parents for what they say. Was that
35:36
judgy? Yeah, you're being judgy. And I know exactly
35:39
when you use those little catch phrases that
35:41
you tend to do, who you mean, or
35:43
who, several that you mean as a group
35:45
of them. But I'm just gonna
35:47
say, look,
35:48
our kids are not, they're not kids, our
35:51
men, are so cool. I
35:53
love them to pieces, I'm really proud of them. They're
35:57
a product of both of us. They have so
35:59
much.
35:59
of both of us in them and themselves.
36:02
They're like this completely cool different
36:04
people than we are. And
36:08
it's all good, you know?
36:11
And there's been times where it hasn't been, but
36:13
we've really been there. That's the key. Like
36:16
be there for your kids,
36:17
be there for them.
36:18
Show up and show up and show
36:20
up and show up.
36:23
And- I would say
36:25
it's like an annuity. It's like a whatever, it's a
36:27
401k.
36:28
The more you put in, the more
36:30
you're going to get out. Completely agree with you.
36:33
And-
36:34
And our discipline, Rob, our
36:37
discipline was, you're right, I kind
36:39
of like to think of everything in decades. Our discipline
36:41
was kind of 1950s discipline. You know,
36:43
we were strict. Yes, we were strict.
36:48
Like our kids say that their
36:50
friends
36:51
say that we
36:53
were the most fun parents to hang
36:56
out with, but by far
36:59
the strictest. Yeah, I
37:01
just think of those parents that were always worried because their
37:03
kids would come to our house to hang. Not
37:06
knowing how strict, how we ran it
37:08
like- How they just didn't get it. We ran it like a gulag.
37:10
Yeah, I mean, we did the best we could and it was
37:12
pretty darn good. I mean, we stayed home, we
37:15
spied. Yeah,
37:17
we didn't believe in freedom. The
37:20
Bill of Rights was not written for teenagers.
37:23
I'm sorry. You want your
37:25
Bill of Rights, you can get that when you're 18.
37:26
Well, the smartest thing you did for this family,
37:29
A, was marry me. That's true. B,
37:32
move us out of LA.
37:33
Yeah, that's true. Hey man, you
37:36
are such a forward forecasting,
37:38
incredible thinker on that. I was like, wait,
37:40
what?
37:42
Oh God, Rob. Can you imagine? You.
37:45
You're welcome. I did, every once in a while I'll have
37:47
a vision. I thought, why does this guy want to sequester
37:50
me away while he's like down in LA? And
37:52
then I realized that's my own,
37:55
you know, negative flop process. I knew,
37:57
I'll never forget the moment I had the video.
37:59
the epiphany was we had had
38:02
Matthew, our youngest, he was really,
38:04
really, like three months, maybe four
38:07
months. So young and somebody
38:09
told me, we should start thinking
38:11
about preschools. I'm like, preschool? The
38:14
guy's breastfeeding. And
38:17
we think about preschools and go, oh yeah, this is LA. And
38:19
you know, there's a list and there's a waiting list. And
38:21
I, my head just started to spin. I'm
38:24
like, all right, I'll guess I'll start thinking
38:26
about preschool and like, well, you know,
38:28
you need to, the person you need to talk
38:31
to is your agent, Mike
38:33
Ovets.
38:35
And I said, I think, wait a minute,
38:36
I've got to talk, I had to wait in
38:38
a waiting list for preschool
38:41
for years on end. And to do
38:43
it, I've got to talk to my agent,
38:46
Mike Ovets. I'm out of here.
38:48
I'm gone. I'm leaving the city. I
38:50
will not, I want, I quit. I don't
38:53
think you
38:53
shared that with me. I vote with my
38:55
feet. Goodbye. I would have asked Mike
38:57
Ovets. There's nothing against Mike Ovets. But
39:00
like, it made
39:02
me realize what the future, the future would
39:04
be. Me coaching
39:07
Little League with like the, taking
39:10
the, telling the president of ABC's
39:13
kid that
39:14
he's not playing shortstop.
39:17
And our kids being raised,
39:21
there's no escape from
39:23
my business. And that
39:25
I couldn't. I just, I think
39:27
that's the key right there is what
39:30
you said. I mean, you know, raising your kids
39:32
where every single kid is the
39:35
same, has the same background, same story,
39:37
similar, I should say, you know, by the
39:40
way, by the way, it works for a lot of people.
39:41
I was gonna say, there's nothing wrong with it. And it's
39:44
different and different. If you go to Washington, DC,
39:46
everybody's in politics. So
39:48
there are company towns. You go
39:50
to New York and everybody's, you know, it's all finance
39:52
and art. But
39:54
there's like,
39:56
there's so many layers and
39:59
we wanted a new.
39:59
layer. That's all you need to say is like you
40:02
wanted to bring some texture
40:04
and you wanted
40:07
your kids to go to school with all different kinds
40:09
of
40:10
parental backgrounds.
40:13
And we did that week. We've accomplished that.
40:15
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40:17
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40:19
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42:23
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42:29
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What is that phrase, back on like Donkey
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I hate it. Sorry, I didn't mean to say that word. I
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the end of the day, if you listen
43:48
to literally, you know me.
43:50
You know me, you know what I'm interested in, you know what I'm not interested
43:52
in. Well, I know you about this, buddy. I have not
43:55
got my anniversary card.
43:58
Okay, so here's. full
44:01
disclosure.
44:04
I have three cards sitting on my desk. Cool.
44:07
And I can't,
44:09
one of them came from our card drawer. They
44:12
come from our card drawer. We collect them and have them ready to go. One
44:14
strike. And I opened
44:16
one of them,
44:17
and it's already an anniversary
44:19
card to you from nine
44:22
years ago. Why
44:26
it's in there? I don't know. Strike two? No,
44:28
no. What I'm thinking is I want
44:30
to do a comparison. I want to write
44:33
what I feel now.
44:35
And then next to it is what I, I guess I
44:37
must have written and not given to you or change and
44:40
just see how they compare. More like people we
44:42
know and work with us put it back in a spot where
44:46
thinking it wasn't anything in it. Well,
44:49
that may be true, but my point being is here's
44:51
this little time capsule of
44:53
how I felt. Oh my God, you are totally bullshitting me
44:55
right now. Am I? Yes, I could
44:57
see it or feel it or hear
44:59
it. Okay. You're scrambling.
45:02
You've been too busy preoccupying, wanting
45:04
to sleep, eat, surf,
45:06
stand up paddle, swim,
45:09
work out, watch
45:12
the Dodgers, which I can't blame you. First of all, hang out with
45:14
your dogs. I'm on strike. Stock your sons.
45:17
I can't work. I'm on strike. This is
45:19
the only thing that they'll let me do. So
45:21
I got to do something.
45:23
That's right. Let me just turn
45:25
about his fair play.
45:27
What's good for the geese is good for the gander,
45:29
as my mother used to say.
45:30
I gave you a present with a little card
45:32
in it as a. You had a card in your present.
45:34
Same exact card, same little square
45:36
card. No, I didn't.
45:38
Yes, you did. 100% you did. Uh-uh.
45:40
I got flowers with a sweet card,
45:42
but I didn't and there was nothing else I got. Okay, it was in the
45:44
flowers. Well, that doesn't count. You had
45:46
your assisted call up and you, you
45:48
just literally said, this is what I wanted to
45:50
say. Uh,
45:54
okay. Like, where's the effort of writing
45:57
out the card? Anyway, it's too late now. for
46:00
that card. You can make it up in other ways. Well,
46:03
can I plan to? Don't
46:05
be asking for date night. But, okay.
46:08
So. No kidding. All
46:10
right, the card is coming. The
46:13
card is coming.
46:14
See y'all, this is what I'm saying. It
46:16
never ends.
46:18
It never ends. I've
46:20
written 32 of these cards.
46:23
I plan on writing 32 more.
46:25
No, no, no, you've written 31. I
46:27
didn't get 32. I've never been good at math.
46:30
It's never been my strong suit. Ever.
46:33
Strike. Two and a half. We're not gonna
46:35
do strike three. What is
46:38
your favorite Rob Lowe movie? Oh,
46:41
my favorite Rob Lowe movie. Four
46:43
TV show. My favorite
46:45
Rob Lowe movie is Risky
46:48
Business. Thank you. My
46:51
favorite Rob Lowe movie, hold on, hold on. Gosh,
46:56
I'm gonna, I loved Masquerade.
47:00
I really did. I love About Last Night.
47:02
Yeah, those are good ones. I know I'm
47:04
not supposed to give two, but I
47:07
mean, you know, again, for me, it's
47:09
like
47:10
hard to pick one movie because you've done,
47:12
you've
47:13
created these characters and some of these movies that are just
47:16
unbelievably seamless that I just love. Thank
47:18
you. You know, where it really took me outside of
47:21
knowing you so well. And The Grinder, I mean, I
47:23
love that guy.
47:24
Love. Grinder. Yeah, I love Bad
47:26
Influence. I never hear people
47:29
really. You worked on Bad Influence. I don't know, Cheryl, you
47:31
did my makeup on Bad Influence. Again, one
47:33
of the reasons I fell in love with you was,
47:35
obviously by the time I had done Bad
47:38
Influence, I'd done
47:39
countless, countless, countless movies and TV shows
47:41
and had worked with countless makeup artists.
47:44
And I sat in your chair and
47:46
you looked at me like, okay,
47:49
what do you want this character to be and
47:51
how do you wanna go about it? And
47:53
no one had ever asked me that. They
47:56
just, you know, I just sat in a chair and they just put
47:59
whatever they wanted. to do on my face
48:00
and. Well, I think that has to do with the fact
48:02
that people were maybe
48:05
overwhelmed, I'm just guessing now, overwhelmed
48:07
by your strikingly good looks. And
48:11
so they didn't see how you could be any
48:13
other character with their makeup. I don't
48:15
know. I mean, I just never saw you as that guy.
48:19
I was thinking,
48:20
okay, here's the script, this character. You
48:22
saw me as the guy with the earring.
48:24
Well, okay. All
48:27
right. And the Elton John glasses. Should
48:29
we establish early or the podcast? Yeah, exactly.
48:32
I just remember seeing like every cute girl
48:35
at a club wearing one of your jackets, they
48:37
stole from you. Yeah, I lost a
48:39
lot of jackets. So I mean, my point
48:41
being is when I looked at that script or any script,
48:44
I thought of the character, not
48:46
the person. And like, how do I take this person
48:48
with their guidance, this actor's guidance
48:52
to this character? I mean, there's so
48:54
many layers to a performance
48:57
and I'd been used to working with actors,
49:00
male and female, that
49:02
really took it seriously
49:05
in the sense of
49:07
every department
49:08
helping create this person they
49:10
were creating. And so my professionalism
49:13
is what came first. You
49:16
were, until I forced
49:19
you into retirement, one of the few times I put
49:21
my foot down, I think you
49:25
were working, I think it was with Keith, working
49:27
with Kiefer Sutherland.
49:29
Oh, I love. Yeah, you're pregnant with Matthew.
49:32
And there was like, I remember coming to visit you on the set
49:34
and there was a sign that said,
49:36
hazardous material. No, no, no, that's
49:39
a wrong movie. You
49:41
know, whatever movie it was. I was working with Keith
49:43
on a movie
49:45
in Washington and it was all
49:47
nights and it was pouring rain. And I came home
49:49
all muddy at like six in the morning
49:51
from a night shoot. And you came to visit me on the set.
49:54
I mean, sorry, up in Seattle, you of course wouldn't
49:56
come to the set. Well, why would you? It was all in the mud and
49:58
it didn't make sense.
49:59
And I came home at like six
50:02
in the morning, which probably bothered you that, you know, I didn't get there
50:04
at night to keep you company. And
50:07
I was just covered in mud and frustrated
50:10
with the person I was working with in my
50:13
department
50:14
and complaining about it kind of crying maybe. And
50:18
you were like, that's it. And
50:20
also like maybe hanging around Kiefer too much in
50:23
his trailer is my best friend.
50:25
It wasn't that, it was just time for you
50:27
to move
50:28
on. And then I said, one more movie I'm
50:30
committed to with Gregory Hines. And
50:33
I was on that movie and we were shooting
50:35
in El Segundo and those plants
50:37
down there, whatever they are. And
50:40
I was pregnant with Matthew and it said on the sign,
50:42
you know, if pregnant, if pregnant,
50:45
by the way, like that's a new word I just made up. Pregnant.
50:47
If pregnant, you know, enter
50:50
at your own risk, something like that. I
50:52
mean, I love making the sign a little
50:54
worse right now in this story. But it was basically, it's
50:56
what it was. But I didn't go in there. I
50:58
had somebody working in my department who had
51:00
volunteered to, obviously
51:01
it wasn't hazardous to people that weren't pregnant.
51:03
Anyway, my point. It was hazardous to everyone. Land
51:06
the plane, Cheryl. Jeez, anyway,
51:08
yeah, you made me, you didn't make me
51:10
quit.
51:11
You politely suggested and
51:14
made it worth
51:16
my while to quit, which is I'll spend more time
51:18
with you and we'll do this. And then you
51:20
came up with all fun activity. You were so cool like that.
51:22
You came up with like, this is what we'll do. I mean,
51:24
listen, you were the, I mean, you
51:27
were the go-to makeup
51:29
artist for male leading men. I
51:32
mean, I was one of very few.
51:34
Al Pacino, Brad Pitt. I
51:37
did reshoots for Brad Pitt, yeah. And
51:40
on and on. I mean, your Al
51:43
Pacino, Glengarry Glen Ross,
51:45
I came to visit you on Glengarry
51:47
Glen Ross when you were doing Al
51:49
and just happened.
51:52
The two days that I came to visit you
51:54
was Alec doing
51:57
the famous opening, always,
52:00
Always be closing.
52:02
And I got to watch Alec, who I love, he's
52:04
been on the show,
52:05
do arguably one of the greatest
52:08
speeches of all time. You
52:10
should have Al Pacino, sorry, let me acknowledge
52:13
that. I was so grateful you came
52:15
to visit me and you got to watch
52:17
these incredible actors perform.
52:20
Working with Al Pacino was such a treat for me
52:23
because he was the nicest person
52:26
off camera and
52:27
so available. Just
52:30
beyond such a great experience, that
52:33
will always
52:35
be a great part of my memories. And
52:37
he was just so always interested
52:39
in the
52:41
look and
52:43
creating something new and cool. So it was
52:46
always a stretch for me, which I really needed
52:48
and loved. And
52:50
he was just great to work with all the way
52:52
around. Super fun.
52:53
What was his, tell the people what his advice
52:56
was. Oh, I can't, I'm no way,
52:58
no how. I'm gonna do it, well if you're
53:00
not good, I'm gonna do it. Cause you're gonna do an exaggerated
53:02
actor version of it. Well then you better do it. I
53:05
think he's- What was his, what was Al? His
53:07
advice was people that are married. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
53:09
no, no, no. Let me set it up. You
53:13
told Al that
53:15
we were gonna get married
53:17
and his advice was.
53:19
Seems like a really nice guy, good actor,
53:23
but you shouldn't live with him.
53:26
Guy should live separate. If I could give you any piece
53:28
of advice, don't live with him. And especially
53:30
while we're working together.
53:32
Don't, you know. And by the way, he was
53:34
always professional with me. So this was not
53:37
like any agenda of his. No, no, he's always
53:39
been the best. But I love, don't
53:42
live with him. How
53:44
could, is that even, can
53:47
anybody pull that off? He was just maybe having a day. I
53:50
love that. I love that. He's
53:53
the best. And would never fly.
53:56
You don't even like it when I go to sleep in a separate bed
53:59
if I have to get up really early. in the morning. I don't like
54:01
that. I know you don't. I know, but
54:03
I also don't like that you smoke cigars before you go
54:05
to bed. I
54:08
very rarely smoke cigars before
54:10
I go to bed.
54:12
But when I do, I know that you
54:14
don't like it. That might be
54:16
the case. That's the other thing, and we'll
54:18
finish with this. Everything in moderation, right? Well,
54:20
you have to pick the hill you want to die on. Amen.
54:24
That's really... I don't want this to be over.
54:26
There are so many things I want to tell about you. Like
54:28
what? This is your moment. Really? Why are
54:30
you holding your heart right now?
54:33
I was actually just
54:35
checking. I don't know. Maybe... What would that mean, subliminally?
54:39
I'm massaging my heart. I don't know.
54:42
Were you worried I was having an issue? No. No.
54:45
I know how healthy you are. Tell
54:47
me what you want to say. You
54:50
can close this out any way you want. Oh, no.
54:52
You could close it. Don't you have anything else
54:54
that you want to bother me about? I don't
54:57
like to interview people, really. I like to... I thought you were going to
54:59
call the boys. I mean, can't you get... Do you have your phone?
55:03
Hold on. Give me a second here. I
55:07
really want to do this right. Oh.
55:11
Alrighty. Oh, yeah, baby.
55:15
What are you doing? I'm looking for our
55:17
son's new phone number. Here we go. He'll
55:20
pick up. Which
55:32
boy is this? Johnny? Matthew.
55:36
It's Matthew. He won't. He's working. Okay.
55:40
Well, you try Johnny because he might think it's something to
55:42
do with Unstable, which is... Oh! That's
55:44
my favorite show. Yay. You
55:47
love Unstable. How could Unstable
55:48
not be your favorite show? Your husband and your son? Okay.
55:50
First of all, that character
55:53
is... Elistragon is become
55:56
now my favorite character of yours. Because
55:58
you're back to dancing. and
56:01
your hair is all crazy in it and
56:03
it's your best performance you
56:05
are. I love when you go really large. I
56:08
know you do. You're always trying
56:11
to encourage me to swing
56:13
bigger. Okay, I'm gonna do Johnny here. I am encouraging
56:15
you to swing bigger, come on. You should and listen,
56:17
that's, I- You only got so many breaths
56:20
in life, you know? Swing for the, what
56:22
do they say? Swing for the fences. There you go. All
56:24
right, let's do Johnny. Let's do
56:26
my co-star and unstable. Well, put it up to the microphone
56:28
so we can all hear. If you haven't seen unstable. Honey,
56:31
no point in putting it to your ear. You have headphones on.
56:33
How's that? That's better,
56:35
right? Hello?
56:41
Oh, you picked up, I'm so happy. What's
56:46
up, sucker? I'm
56:49
just hanging with your mom. What
56:51
are you doing? I was about to tell her I was
56:53
gonna answer her call and then I was on the phone,
56:55
but I saw you call, so I was like, all right, I figured this
56:57
was, I'm not picking favorites. But
56:59
you did. You kind of did
57:02
pick a favorite. That's not
57:04
how it works, though. If you had called
57:06
first and then mom, I would have been hurt, no call
57:09
answer. Oh.
57:09
And why is that, I don't understand.
57:11
Because I assume it's important
57:13
when I get the double call. It's
57:16
not important, though. We both just miss you. How's
57:19
Oscar? How's our dog? Your dog, our
57:21
dog. Oscar's the best, he's
57:23
good. I mean, he had one accident
57:26
this weekend. I gotta teach
57:28
him, he's got this one spot.
57:30
You know when they pee on one spot, then they
57:32
think that's a spot? Yes, you do. Oh
57:34
no, John, only peed in your bedroom.
57:37
It's totally cleanable
57:40
and I've got it figured out, but other than that,
57:42
he has been picture perfect.
57:45
When you say you got it figured out and it's cleanable,
57:47
I have, you would be, now, you could actually
57:50
maybe be super, super, super well
57:52
off with a company. I haven't figured out because I already
57:54
spoke to my rug guy. He's got to
57:56
let me just be in a double this and not
57:58
stress and try to make it.
57:59
manage. Your
58:02
mom is losing her mind.
58:04
This is like her OCD is
58:08
like her head is popping off. I
58:11
challenge you mom to just let me handle
58:13
this. Okay,
58:16
it's gonna be challenging. I had an accident
58:18
on a road that these things happen. No
58:21
dog has ever been perfect. You can walk them
58:24
a hundred times a day, you know. All
58:26
right, well, up in Santa Barbara, it doesn't go to the bathroom
58:28
in the house. All right, okay, the two, I'll
58:30
check. Wait, hold on. What is his ears?
58:34
His ears is fine. It's better. It was one day
58:37
he had it. I can still go get
58:39
it checked out, but he seems totally fine. I took him on
58:41
a walk today. He's
58:44
great and everybody's obsessed with him. I took him to the
58:46
farmers market yesterday and he
58:48
gets like so much attention.
58:50
Oh, he's a good Oscar.
58:52
What's your plans for this week? You coming
58:54
to visit us soon? And. Are
58:59
you coming to visit us soon? As
59:02
well, potentially. I have
59:07
some surf this week. But
59:14
I'm just chilling for
59:16
the most part. Hold on. Dad wants to tell
59:18
you something. So we've
59:21
been doing the podcast. So you've just been on the podcast.
59:24
You've been live on the podcast. I think you've acquitted
59:26
yourself. Well, you seem like a really good son. Did
59:29
you do like a competition? Is that what it was?
59:31
No, the other competition was Matthew just
59:33
didn't pick up. Oh,
59:36
great. And you're live. Oh,
59:39
my God. I hate this.
59:42
Oh, no, you don't. You
59:45
were great. Hey, why aren't you on the picket line? Why
59:47
don't you call my agent next time? You're going to be on the
59:50
podcast. What are you? Why don't you get on the picket line?
59:54
I'm tired already. All
59:56
right. All right. Love you. I'll call you later. Bye.
1:00:00
All right. And with that, that is enough of this
1:00:02
family. Thank you all
1:00:04
for listening. Lovebug, I can't believe
1:00:06
you came here. I'm so excited. When you
1:00:09
walked in the studio, my life was like, ahh.
1:00:10
Oh, this was so much
1:00:12
fun. I thought you were gonna. You thought
1:00:14
it was gonna be rough on you? No, not rough
1:00:17
on me, but you know, expose more of my secrets
1:00:19
like you always do every single talk
1:00:21
show and ooh, you know, the Lovebug,
1:00:24
this, that, and the other. And my friends
1:00:25
are like, ooh. I know. Well,
1:00:27
because you're here, I'm scared. The
1:00:30
minute you leave, believe me. Better be scared. Tune
1:00:32
in next week. Tune in. I still
1:00:35
talk about my. Thank you for all your inner beauty, Rob.
1:00:37
Thank you for your fun. Thank you for your laughter. Thank
1:00:39
you for being supportive. Thank
1:00:41
you for your kindness. And
1:00:45
for most of the
1:00:47
time being gentle. Thank
1:00:50
you. Thank you for making me who
1:00:52
I am. And thank you for loving my, the
1:00:55
food I cook for you, the meals I make you. Your
1:00:57
great cook. Bring
1:01:00
that up here. Among other things. I
1:01:02
love you deeply. Thank you for coming on the show. Bye
1:01:04
y'all.
1:01:05
Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.
1:01:09
Bye. Bye. Bye. First
1:01:12
time having a family member on, I hope
1:01:14
it was as fun for you
1:01:16
as it was for me. I was
1:01:18
very nervous. I was more nervous having Cheryl
1:01:21
Lowe on
1:01:22
than any other guest. And we've had some
1:01:24
great guests, as you know. And we made
1:01:26
it. We got through it. All right. In no
1:01:28
time it is.
1:01:29
You got questions. I got answers. Let's hit the
1:01:31
lowdown line.
1:01:36
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our lowdown line where
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have at it. Here's the beep. Hey
1:01:54
Rob, this is Denise from close to
1:01:57
your hometown for Cincinnati, Ohio.
1:02:00
Just curious, it sounds like you're a huge
1:02:02
family man and I appreciate
1:02:05
that a lot. I've been a fan of yours forever. I
1:02:09
just got back from our family vacation and just
1:02:11
curious, what has been your
1:02:13
favorite family vacation and why? Also,
1:02:18
have you had any family vacation disasters?
1:02:21
Thank you. What
1:02:24
a great question.
1:02:26
I know that when
1:02:29
people talk about when were you at your most happy, and
1:02:32
by the way, I think I'm always going to be in happy
1:02:34
places. I don't think that there was a time and then it passed
1:02:36
and whatever, but one
1:02:39
family vacation is always a time I remember
1:02:41
that I was never happier and I'd been
1:02:44
shooting on location for a month. It was
1:02:46
the longest I'd ever been away from my wife and the
1:02:48
kids and we reunited in Bora Bora,
1:02:51
which
1:02:51
I think is the most beautiful place
1:02:54
on the planet. And
1:02:57
the boys had made signs holding
1:02:59
them up at the dock when my little boat
1:03:01
pulled up and they were super little.
1:03:05
Family vacations are my favorite thing. In fact,
1:03:09
my wife and I don't take a vacation where
1:03:11
we don't invite
1:03:13
them, the boys. And
1:03:15
now they're grown men. So they kind of sometimes they want
1:03:17
to go. A lot of times they roll their eyes. I know I
1:03:19
never wanted to vacation with my
1:03:21
parents ever at their ages.
1:03:25
When I was the age of my kids, there
1:03:27
was no way in hell
1:03:29
I
1:03:30
would ever want to vacation with my
1:03:32
parents. But God bless them every
1:03:34
once in a while, they'll do it. And a
1:03:36
vacation doesn't feel like a vacation to me unless
1:03:39
they're with us.
1:03:42
The biggest disaster was
1:03:45
when our camp in Africa
1:03:48
was charged
1:03:50
by lions and
1:03:53
they broke into the tent where
1:03:55
the food was served
1:03:57
and ruckused everything.
1:03:59
my youngest son, John
1:04:01
Owen, hid in the bathtub as
1:04:04
if that would
1:04:06
make any difference if a lion wanted to get into
1:04:08
the tent.
1:04:10
That was definitely super radical.
1:04:12
But that's what you go to Africa for.
1:04:14
At least when you're traveling with the lows, because my
1:04:17
thing is, if I'm going to Africa,
1:04:20
I want to fuck with some lions. You
1:04:23
know, it's like, I don't want to go and be
1:04:26
at a four star resort
1:04:29
overlooking the Savannah
1:04:31
and then get out on a bus and see it. Like
1:04:33
I want to take my
1:04:35
life into my own hands when I go pee in the middle
1:04:37
of the night. Like that's the way we roll
1:04:40
is the lows.
1:04:43
And we got our wish. So that definitely
1:04:45
I think is the topper. Anyway, thanks for
1:04:47
the question. And thank you for listening. And I will
1:04:49
see you next week on
1:04:52
Literally.
1:04:54
You've
1:04:54
been listening to Literally with Rob Lowe,
1:04:56
produced by me, Nick Liao, with
1:04:59
help from associate producer Sarah Begar, researched
1:05:01
by Alyssa Graul. The podcast is executive
1:05:03
produced by Rob Lowe for low profile, Adam
1:05:06
Stacks, Jeff Ross and myself at Team Coco,
1:05:08
and Colin Anderson at Stitcher, booking by Deirdre
1:05:11
Dodd, music by Devin Bryant. Thanks
1:05:13
for listening. We'll see you next time on Literally
1:05:16
with Rob Lowe.
1:05:28
This has been 18 Coco
1:05:31
production.
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