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is Kla Clinton, Jeff

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Washer, and Rayne Cooper. I

1:26

kid, I kid. I love the three of them. I

1:28

love SmartLess. It's the gold

1:30

standard. But I'm doing mine

1:32

by myself. I'm just saying. I'm not saying that makes my

1:34

show better. I

1:37

think it makes the show harder. And

1:39

then you can be the judge of whether

1:43

content is more worthy when you

1:45

have help, when you have a lot of help. I'll

1:48

let you be the judge of that. But

1:50

that's it. I do love SmartLess and

1:53

I love these guys and I love Will. He's just one

1:55

of the greatest hangs ever. And

1:58

this is going to be a good one. So.

2:00

Let's get to it. This

2:06

is your show, but let me ask you a question. How

2:08

is your weekend? What

2:10

did I do this weekend? Well,

2:13

because we are currently going through this writer's strike.

2:16

Sure. It feels like

2:20

it feels like like what's like Groundhog's

2:22

Day mixed with

2:26

summer vacation. And

2:29

so I'm just like, I feel free to do

2:31

all kinds of stuff that I usually never have the time to do. And

2:34

I'm also kind of like bummed out, obviously,

2:36

I want to go back to work. But I golfed.

2:38

I'll have you know yesterday and I know that you

2:41

love that. Oh, how

2:43

do we do? Here's the thing. I cannot

2:45

shoot.

2:46

I cannot shoot a score

2:49

other than an 87. I

2:53

can't do it. Whether I should play badly or

2:55

whether I play great. I had it up.

2:58

It's an 87. No matter what course I'm on. What

3:01

is that about? That's your number. Interesting.

3:05

I don't know what that's about. I played

3:07

with our mutual friend, Dan, yesterday. Oh,

3:09

good. Yep. I like the Dan Dees gets mentions

3:12

across multiple podcasts. As

3:14

he should. As he should. And

3:16

I played with him at his place out there where we

3:18

played a little while ago. Yep.

3:20

And I shot an 84 yesterday. Yeah.

3:24

Very respectable. Not

3:26

bad. Respectable. Left a few shots

3:28

out there for sure. I was draining.

3:31

Drain out with the putter. Drain-o-matic.

3:34

I can't make a putt, Rob.

3:37

I will show you. I'll show you how to do it. Your

3:39

game is good. I saw you recently when we played

3:41

a few months ago. Your game looks really it's coming along.

3:44

And I know you said you're spending a lot of time at the range.

3:46

Yes. It's working. A. Good.

3:50

And it's solid. And I don't remember your putting.

3:52

But is it better now? It was

3:54

I never putt badly.

3:56

I just putt averagely. But I'm

3:58

playing these new PXGs.

4:00

I love my PXG's shout

4:02

out to PXG, not a sponsor, but should be,

4:04

hello, hint hint. Right. I

4:07

do have sponsors on this podcast.

4:08

Do you? I do. I mean, you

4:10

know, I'm in it to win it. We have

4:13

ads and we love our sponsors and why, I don't

4:15

know, PXG needs to wake up, smell the coffee.

4:17

They need to wake up, but my, Lynn, I'm gonna

4:19

say hi to my friends at Titleist who have been an Titleist

4:21

foot joy, who

4:22

have been very helpful. Yeah,

4:25

dude, you're the sports, you figured

4:27

your life out so big time, you just do

4:30

basically, as far as I can tell,

4:32

whatever you wanna do at this point. How

4:35

did you get to that point?

4:36

Well,

4:39

first of all, I'd be nowhere if it wasn't for dumb

4:41

luck. Well, that's makes

4:43

two of us. Right, I mean, yeah,

4:46

it's funny, I think

4:49

because I enjoy

4:50

not just playing sports and

4:52

I enjoy consuming sports, watching sports a lot.

4:55

And I talk about it a lot on the podcast

4:57

and then we started playing, Jason and

4:59

I started, we've

5:02

done a few of these pro-am

5:04

events and stuff. So in the golf world, kind

5:07

of started getting into that. And then

5:09

Formula One, I started watching, so I got into

5:11

that and now I'm doing this thing with Danny Ricardo

5:13

and Formula One. Amazing.

5:17

Yeah, and I kind of, if I'm

5:19

being honest, I'm glad you asked me, I

5:21

see myself in the next

5:23

few years, spending

5:26

more time in the sports space. I think I'm

5:28

not a, I'm obviously I've never been a

5:30

professional athlete and I think that the

5:32

clock has run out on that. Yeah, probably.

5:35

But like a lot of people, I'm

5:37

just a very attentive fan

5:40

and I watch a lot of sports, different sports

5:42

and I like talking about them.

5:44

And I think that there's room for that.

5:47

I have a tough time with

5:49

sports talk, radio and stuff

5:51

a lot of the time. Oh, give me your take on that. Give

5:53

me, Will Arnett, you're on

5:56

right now. Yeah. You're

5:58

an improv motherfucker. Sure. I just

6:00

didn't necessarily swore. I don't know why I did that.

6:03

No, it's good. Maybe because I felt that this particular

6:05

thing is losing edge, but I don't know. I'm

6:08

trying to repel women right now who are my

6:10

number one demo, they tell me. And so

6:12

I said, I know, we'll talk sports and I'll start

6:15

swearing. It'll be great. They're gonna love

6:17

it. So, okay, do your

6:20

version of the worst

6:22

of...

6:24

Sports radio? Sports radio, give it to me. It's

6:28

always like, look, this is what the Patriots need to do.

6:33

Tom Brady, and they start to... They

6:35

first of all... No, wait, are you

6:37

crazy? Have you even

6:40

watched a game? Have you watched the

6:42

game? Or do you just scroll through

6:44

it? The last 30 home games,

6:46

they were averaging 14 points. Now,

6:48

if you look at what they did with, and you're like, man,

6:51

you've just taken the fun and the romance,

6:54

they suck the romance out of it. Can we do

6:56

this together? I mean, I know that you,

6:59

are you trying to break away from working with other people?

7:01

Because you're kind of at this point...

7:06

I mean, I don't wanna say you're beholden to

7:08

Sean Hayes and Jason Bateman, but

7:10

you guys have a good thing going on. So you probably

7:12

don't wanna do it with me, but I think

7:14

our version right now of

7:17

a sports show

7:18

would die because I think

7:21

we could do like dynamic do. We could be

7:23

Clark Kent and Superman.

7:25

So we could do the bad version

7:27

for people who like that. And

7:29

then we could do the version we wanna do, but we

7:31

do it in the same show. So people understand

7:34

the difference. Because when

7:36

you talk, listen, I'm sorry. I

7:38

need to stop you right there. When you talk

7:40

about the Patriots offense and

7:42

the 14 point conversion layer,

7:45

you, that's the Bill Belichick

7:47

era. That is not the era that

7:50

we are dealing in now.

7:52

It's exactly, that's

7:54

exactly what we wanna get rid of. And what we wanna

7:57

see more of is, I remember saying

7:59

to...

7:59

John

8:02

McEnroe a few years ago, I

8:04

was like, why aren't you? We're talking about, we're

8:06

at a hockey game in New York, but we're

8:08

talking about basketball. I said, McEnroe,

8:11

you should be covering basketball. Everything, everything,

8:14

he's the best, everything. He's so good. And

8:17

he says it the way that you want to say it, the way he

8:19

talks about tennis, he breaks it down, he talks very real.

8:21

And I've kind of, I

8:23

feel like I'm always trying to capture

8:26

his spirit when I talk about it. So I did this thing with

8:28

Formula One last year.

8:30

With Amp and Amazon,

8:33

and I went to a bunch of races and then

8:35

we covered the races after. We were talking about with Mika

8:37

Hockin and Formula One

8:39

two-time champ.

8:42

Every time I'd say former champ, Mika

8:44

would always go two-time champion. I was like, I know

8:46

Mika. That's amazing.

8:49

That is the best dude, the best dude. And

8:51

we would talk about that,

8:54

or we did this World Cup show as well,

8:56

I was in Qatar.

8:57

And I would say, we would just talk about,

9:00

because I don't know anybody in this space,

9:03

I could talk about it in a way that was just very

9:05

sort of real, but also not shouty.

9:08

And you'd kind of go like,

9:10

hey, you know, it was kind of a dick move when

9:12

Verstappen cut him off on that corner,

9:15

right? And it was like, well, it's okay. I go, let's be

9:17

honest. It was a dick move. And in

9:19

a way that you and I would talk

9:21

if we, rather if you and I were at

9:23

watching a race on the couch. But what

9:25

would we do if it was a sport we really

9:27

truly didn't know anything about? Like what if I came

9:30

in, because I'm new to the Formula One game. Sure.

9:33

And so am I. So am I. So that was

9:35

my whole angle. Well, if I say something,

9:38

why do you change your tires so

9:40

much? Well, that would be too

9:43

much of an idiot move. No, I like that.

9:45

You see, I think that that's what we need more of, because we

9:47

have way too many experts. Everybody has,

9:50

I mean, you've been on social media. You can

9:52

make, you can say, you

9:53

could tweet out, good morning everybody. And

9:56

then immediately somebody would go, well, it's night where

9:58

I am. Okay. And

10:01

you're like, okay, man, I'm

10:03

just fine. And that's

10:06

the world we live in, right? It's just the, and

10:08

believe me, as somebody who I act

10:10

like an expert a lot of the time too, and I love correcting people

10:13

as well, but we live in this world where it's

10:15

just so automatic. So I think

10:17

it's okay and refreshing to come in and

10:19

go, why

10:20

do you change your tires? Like why

10:23

is he going into the pit now? And I would do that. After

10:25

the race, I would say,

10:27

you know, Mika, why did he, or when I was watching

10:29

World Cup and

10:31

I had like Sam Uess who was a, you

10:34

know, a US soccer star.

10:36

And I would ask her, I'd be like, why,

10:38

how hard is it to make that play?

10:41

Or is that tackle, you know,

10:43

asking those questions that you think are

10:45

dumb, that's what people want to talk about. Yeah.

10:49

Why does everybody pull an Achilles when

10:52

they're looking 17 times

10:53

a game?

10:55

And then get up and run like

10:57

a gazelle.

10:58

Well, yeah, they get up. And so

11:00

you want, that was what I would do. We'd be watching

11:02

World Cup and I'd go, you

11:05

know, I, this has long been my beef. There are certainly

11:07

some of the continental European leagues, i.e.

11:10

La Liga and Ligue 1 in France,

11:12

but really La Liga football soccer.

11:15

I mean, it is, a lot of these guys

11:18

should be repped by CAA. Yeah,

11:20

the acting's amazing. Yeah, it's incredible.

11:23

When you see a guy, all

11:25

of a sudden he gets, it looks like he's

11:27

sort of got tackled, he's on the far side of the pitch and

11:29

then he goes flying in the air and he grabs

11:31

his face. So not only was his face not

11:33

touched, but in the replay they showed that

11:36

he wasn't touched at all. At

11:38

all. And all, and he's writhing around

11:40

on the ground and you're like, fuck me man. But

11:43

I like, I like their commitment to the

11:45

act. I like, A, their commitment to

11:47

the phony baloney act, but then when they

11:49

don't get the call, they don't even try

11:52

to like go into the next moment.

11:54

They just jump

11:56

right up and run off. And drop it. Yeah,

11:59

they drop it.

11:59

It's a bit that didn't work and they're moving on like

12:02

a comedian. They just don't care.

12:04

It's pretty, you gotta give them credit for

12:07

the shamelessness of it,

12:09

right? Yeah, yeah.

12:11

You're like, you wanna be, are you

12:13

not embarrassed? No, they're not.

12:16

They're like, ah, ah, you didn't go, okay,

12:18

we go to the, whatever. Which

12:20

is so funny, because it's counterintuitive. You'd think that

12:22

like, that they'd wanna act

12:24

tough. Well, here's, as a

12:27

Canadian, so I grew up watching hockey. Oh

12:29

boy. And the last thing you wanna do is show

12:31

any weakness. Oh, yes. I

12:34

know friends, I know my buddy who

12:36

played for many years and he got a major

12:38

cut, but he really wanted to go back out

12:41

and fight in the third period, even though he had just

12:43

gotten stitches

12:44

during the game.

12:46

And he did, and he went out and fought again. And

12:48

I was like, dude, why did, it was years ago,

12:50

but he was, you know, obviously when he was way younger. And

12:53

I was like, why did you do that? And he was like, I just, I had

12:55

to, I was so mad. I wanted to fight that guy.

12:58

Well, it makes sense to me. I get

13:00

it. It doesn't make sense to me.

13:03

First of all, never the face. Well,

13:05

now, like I was saying, I think at this point. You and

13:07

I know, never the face. We've never,

13:10

never, ever, ever.

13:13

That's the thing is like, you're like, hey, I'm training in the boxing

13:16

gym. You should come down and train. I'm like,

13:19

what do you do? I'd

13:21

have to wear one of those like balloon hats

13:23

on my. You

13:26

gotta go, you know, they wear those like

13:28

sumo suits. Yes, but just

13:30

on my head.

13:33

Oh, well, I'd be, I would be, you

13:35

know, like a Mr. Cub

13:38

or one of those, one of those mascots

13:40

where they just were ahead and the rest of their bodies

13:42

fine.

13:43

And then you're like, now I'll spar. Let's

13:45

go. That's just being head on.

13:48

I don't like, I don't like getting hit.

13:50

What is, I don't know, nobody likes getting hit. I,

13:52

no, no, no, no, some people do.

13:55

I guess they do. Oh, they will for

13:57

sure. Have you met those guys? Like

13:59

they're in. bars, they want to fight.

14:02

I once had a football coach

14:04

because there's people who like being

14:07

hit and there are people who don't. My

14:09

favorite is Chad Lowe, my

14:12

younger brother, the sports addict, fanatic,

14:15

loves football, toughest football, decided

14:18

he was going to play football, went to one Pop Warner practice,

14:21

got hit the first time and quit.

14:23

Because he's smart. He got hit

14:25

once, he was like, nope, nope, nope,

14:27

nope, not for me. He's smart. I like me

14:30

some Chad Lowe. I haven't seen him in a while. And so shout

14:32

out to Chad. He's a good boy. He's a very good

14:34

boy. Yeah, that's

14:37

how I feel about gambling too. I remember I used to play in this

14:39

game forever

14:41

with

14:43

Jason,

14:44

Sean, Richter,

14:48

Kyle Gass, sometimes Jack Black.

14:51

Great game. It was a great game. This is

14:53

like 20 years ago at Kyle Gass' house

14:55

and he had a poker table that dominated his

14:57

living room.

14:59

Red flag.

15:01

Major red flag. Lakers game going Tuesday

15:04

nights. I

15:07

bet he had a lot of girls

15:09

that were

15:10

of wonderful material. Yeah,

15:13

it wasn't a... They

15:16

weren't in the old school parlance.

15:18

There weren't a lot of chicks around. Yeah.

15:22

But we used to play and I remember we played in

15:25

that game for over a year and then I had...

15:27

I went away. I'd done pretty well in that

15:30

game over a few months and like won

15:32

whatever kind of break even, won some dough, came

15:34

back,

15:36

lost big, like

15:38

within 10 minutes lost like $700,

15:42

stood up and said, I'll see you guys later. And

15:45

I never played again. I

15:46

was like losing $700. You

15:49

know what? I'm so glad to hear you say that.

15:51

I don't either.

15:54

I could walk through. I

15:56

shot

15:58

a TV series once that took place.

15:59

in Las Vegas. And I realized

16:02

I could walk through a casino

16:05

every day of my life with

16:07

untold free time on my hands and

16:10

never be tempted ever

16:13

to sit down and gamble. Yeah,

16:15

I hate money. It's so hard to make. Yeah,

16:17

when you've had to earn your own money, you realize

16:19

how, you know, how much

16:22

you don't want to lose. And

16:25

I forgot about you did that. You were a doctor in Vegas,

16:27

right? Was it Dr. Vegas? It's the greatest

16:29

title ever, because it tells you exactly what the

16:31

show's about.

16:34

Should

16:36

have been bad doctor in Vegas.

16:40

It was Dr. Vegas. It's Dr. Vegas. And

16:42

you know that you know that I had

16:44

a very tough choice choosing between that and

16:47

Grey's Anatomy.

16:49

No way. Oh, yeah. Did

16:51

you really? Oh, yeah. Wait,

16:54

wait, Rob. I did not know this. Oh,

16:56

yeah. So you were so

16:58

it's pilot season development season and

17:01

ABC comes at you with that

17:03

and NBC comes at you with Dr. Vegas. It was it

17:05

well listen, and here's the rub. It's actually it's

17:08

CBS.

17:09

Oh, see, Dr. Vegas when literally

17:12

CBS everything

17:14

they touched ran for 15 years. Right.

17:17

Everything.

17:18

So that was the math you did.

17:20

Well, and more so and it was

17:24

Lawrence Bender, who produced

17:26

all of Quentin Tarantino's

17:28

movies. Yeah. His first thing in TV.

17:32

And I was a big fan of this show called

17:34

Nip Tuck that Ryan Murphy made. And

17:37

my thing was it's going to be a network

17:39

version of Nip Tuck. Right.

17:41

And this sounds great. And

17:46

what was and when you read or

17:48

talk to the people at Grey's Anatomy at ABC,

17:51

you were like, guys, nice

17:53

try. No, no, no. I go. This is a better

17:55

script. It's great

17:57

script. Yeah. And

18:00

I had a meeting with everybody

18:03

and they were very eager, but

18:08

there was a sort of element where

18:10

I didn't feel the love as much.

18:13

I didn't, I didn't feel the love. I had the offer,

18:15

I had the offer to do it.

18:16

But in the room, everybody

18:18

was kind of a little standoffish

18:20

maybe. Do you feel like maybe it was like the network

18:23

really wanted you, but you were

18:25

being kind of pushed on them a little?

18:28

If I had, if I had to do the math

18:30

that, that

18:32

could have absolutely been,

18:34

everybody was perfectly nice. Don't get

18:36

me wrong. Of course, no, no, no, no. But

18:38

you know that, you know the vibe where everybody's like, yeah.

18:41

And, and so I left that and

18:44

then I got a phone call, never forget it

18:47

from the guy around CBS who's a Titanic

18:49

legend who you frankly

18:52

didn't cross.

18:53

And he was like, let me,

18:55

I hear you're considering this show at ABC.

18:58

Let me, let me, let me explain something to

19:00

you. We're

19:03

CBS. We make hits.

19:06

We make our shows run forever. ABC

19:10

has not launched a

19:13

new show in 15 years. You

19:20

want to do that?

19:22

And I was like, you're right. That was the year. And

19:24

by the way, that was all true. All those, those numbers are true. That

19:27

was the year that not only did they launch finally two

19:29

new shows, they launched Grey's Anatomy

19:32

and the

19:33

one about the lady,

19:36

the crazy ladies who all did crazy.

19:39

Desperate Housewives? Desperate Housewives,

19:41

yeah.

19:42

That was the same, wow. Yep.

19:45

Let me tell you, let me tell you how this works. You

19:47

know, and look, and that's why I say like looking back on

19:49

it and, and by the way, had I not had,

19:53

here's my theory. I don't think

19:56

me on Grey's Anatomy has

19:59

anywhere near the impact. the Dempsey

20:01

had playing McDreamy. I don't because

20:03

people were like, oh yeah, Rob Lowe, he's

20:06

the swaggering doctor, sure.

20:08

But Dempsey was like, wow, who, what, wow.

20:10

Like new, fresh, been

20:12

away for a while, was back. They

20:15

weren't gonna call, they wouldn't have called me

20:17

McDreamy, they would just call me Rob Lowe. I

20:20

can't. Listen,

20:23

you've been McDreamy for a long time, so let's not get

20:25

ourselves A. I'm

20:28

gonna say it, I'm gonna say it for America because

20:30

you can't say it, but we can as America

20:32

and Canadians,

20:34

but also I can, Patrick Dempsey,

20:37

amazing. Amazing. Great,

20:39

so good in that part, so good in general. Love

20:42

the guy.

20:43

You would have been amazing.

20:46

You would have been very good. Don't sell yourself short. You

20:48

would have been fantastic. And

20:50

that makes sense to me. I love, wait,

20:52

let's go through just a few

20:55

more. Rob Lowe passes.

20:59

That's really honestly

21:01

the only. That's the big one. Well, not only, it's

21:04

so big, by the way, as my wife will remind

21:06

me.

21:07

Sure. Cheryl Lowe would

21:09

like to have that Grey's Anatomy bag.

21:13

Yeah. That's a lot of, speaking of bag, that's

21:15

a lot of Birkins at Hermes right there.

21:18

I mean, let's be real.

21:21

You'd be, your studio would be Birkin,

21:24

it'd be like, you'd be in a big Birkin bag.

21:27

I would live in a Birkin, like Lidsville. Instead

21:29

of living in a hat, I'd be living in a purse.

21:32

If you had that Grey's Anatomy

21:34

doe-ski,

21:36

you could buy

21:38

Conan's company and then fire him. Big

21:44

red, I'd be like, big red? Big red. Your

21:47

time is over.

21:48

And just, I would,

21:50

if I had that dough, I'd buy Conan's company

21:53

and I'd fire him day one.

21:55

Yeah, to his face. Defoe

21:58

to his face with cameras. Yes.

22:01

Don't

22:03

you understand? I'm McDreamy. Who's

22:07

McDreamy now? He's

22:08

like, what? You? I don't know.

22:12

How did that happen? Wait,

22:14

so that was the big one. But there must

22:16

have been other ones because you have

22:19

been

22:20

just at the center of it for so long. There must

22:22

have been other scripts or things that came your way that you're

22:24

like, well, the ones that I didn't

22:26

get.

22:28

And I mean, and this,

22:30

by the way, wasn't like I knew, I think I have a pretty

22:32

good picker. I mean, because I knew Grey's Anatomy

22:35

was great. It was great script. And

22:37

by the way, Shonda Rhimes had only written a Britney

22:39

Spears movie.

22:40

That was it. Interesting.

22:42

So it was like, who knows? I don't know. Can

22:44

she run a TV show? I

22:45

don't know. Turns out she can run 700 TV shows. Yeah,

22:48

it turns out. You never

22:51

know.

22:52

Yeah. So

22:53

and the other thing is, had I

22:56

done that, I would

22:58

still be on it probably and

23:00

living in the Birkin, the living Birkin.

23:03

But I wouldn't have done the things that I

23:05

got like Parks and Rec. I wouldn't have been on Parks and Rec. Right.

23:08

And I love I love Parks and Rec. I

23:10

love it. I love it. And I say this is

23:12

all respect.

23:13

I'd rather be on Parks and Rec than

23:15

Grey's Anatomy. I would. I get that. I

23:17

get that. First of all, we want to know each other maybe. And we wouldn't be doing this.

23:19

We wouldn't know each other. We might not

23:21

be doing this because we met through Amy because of Parks and Rec.

23:24

That's right.

23:26

That's a great point. You were great on Parks and Rec, by the way. No, thanks,

23:29

man. Yeah, dude, you were really

23:31

good. And as you might

23:33

imagine, I'm a big fan of, I'm a big Parks

23:35

and Rec fan. It's such, it's,

23:37

that shows amazing. So good. And Amy's

23:40

incredible in it. Everybody's incredible

23:42

in it. And Mike Shor, obviously we all love

23:44

Mike Shor. Everybody's. Everybody's. And

23:48

it's a great, we

23:51

have a podcast, Parks and Rec. Where

23:54

we sit and we talk

23:56

about the show. We sure do. I launched

23:58

it.

23:59

Alan Yang and I launched it. Um,

24:02

and then we just, the great Alan

24:04

Yang and we, uh, and we, and

24:06

we just turned the, the reins over to Jim

24:10

O'Hare and Greg Levine.

24:12

And they crush it. It's super funny

24:14

parks and recollection. Get it. Where you get your

24:16

podcasts. I'm going to go,

24:18

yeah. Wherever you get your podcasts. Uh, and,

24:21

um, also mentioned what's the, uh, your

24:24

golf clubs again. PXG mentioned

24:26

them again. Wherever you get your podcast, PXG,

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28:49

came on Parks Direct. You, it was

28:52

so funny. There were different stages of Parks Direct

28:54

and everybody just had their own little,

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everybody worked together well, and then everybody

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had their own distinctive voice, and that's what I loved

29:01

about that show. And

29:05

I think during COVID, we ended up, the

29:07

kids and I ended up re-watching,

29:09

we re-watched The Office and Parks and Rec.

29:11

I definitely fully watched The American Office

29:14

all the way through and I ended up blazing, and I couldn't

29:16

believe it. I was like, I've deprived myself.

29:19

You know, Krasinski's one of my best, and I deprived

29:22

myself of that show. I'm like, that is amazing. And Parks and

29:24

Rec, and we watched it all during COVID.

29:27

And then, and Pratt,

29:30

I mean, how great was Pratt? I mean, it's

29:32

unbelievable. It's unbelievable. That

29:34

show is, it's a murderer's row.

29:36

But- Think about it, you,

29:38

Amy, Pratt. Aubrey

29:42

Plaza. So

29:45

you got Aubrey, you got Rashida, you

29:47

got Adam Scott. You

29:50

got fucking Offerman.

29:52

By the way, this is all in no particular order. It's

29:55

a fricking murderer's row,

29:57

Aziz. I mean, just, you keep going.

30:00

It's amazing. It's a once in a lifetime thing.

30:06

And I'm so glad

30:08

that they invited me to

30:10

come in and play. I mean,

30:12

but you know, listen, I gotta give, I

30:15

gotta just say Arrested Development, my good friend. I've

30:19

been going, I've always loved

30:21

it. I've never been under any illusion that was

30:23

anything other than a fucking amazing show. But

30:26

I, because

30:27

I have a new show on

30:29

Netflix. I'm just like, it's like a very pluggy

30:32

episode of the podcast. Yeah,

30:35

you guys are doing your show. We're doing,

30:37

so we're doing, so

30:39

we're doing, it's

30:42

on Netflix now, it's called Unstable. We are

30:45

hopefully imminently about to start season two. That's

30:47

what I was gonna say. Yeah. But you also have your

30:50

other show on Fox. Yes, I

30:52

have that too.

30:53

So you have two shows that you're not

30:55

shooting right now. I have two shows I'm not shooting. Wow.

31:00

I have two shows that are not shooting. And,

31:03

but listen, as I was out promoting

31:06

and introducing Unstable

31:09

to the world, I kept saying,

31:12

hopefully it's in the genre

31:15

of Arrested Development. I mean,

31:17

of all the comedies that are out there, and

31:20

there are so many that I'm a fan. That's not, they're not

31:22

so many. That's not true. They're not so many, I'm

31:24

a fan of. There are very specific

31:26

ones and it's,

31:28

and this is the new thing. This is why

31:30

I'm bringing it up. I'm landing the plane on this very

31:32

long rambling moment of the podcast.

31:36

I think Arrested Development

31:39

actually probably

31:42

gun to my head is the best

31:44

of that group

31:46

of shows that I love, 30 Rock, Office,

31:49

Parks and Rec.

31:51

I think Arrested is the best one.

31:54

Wow. Always

31:57

Sunny. Yeah. All

31:59

right. Those are all my favorite shows.

32:02

I think arrested

32:03

is the best and here's the other thing I

32:06

think your character might be my

32:08

favorite of a bunch of great characters. Oh Wow,

32:11

I'm a job guy. I'm a big job guy Well,

32:17

thank you for that I can't really take

32:19

credit for the show but but it's very

32:21

kind of you to say I I was I

32:23

was really

32:26

Fortunate to

32:29

To encounter mature it's the great mature which

32:31

who created rest development and and so

32:35

You know all credit to him as

32:37

you might imagine his writing is just When

32:41

he's at the top of his game, there's nobody

32:44

funny. Yeah, and it's

32:46

layered and it's

32:48

Just pretty me so I was

32:50

really lucky I mean, you know, you know

32:52

We were talking about you know reading scripts and stuff and stuff comes

32:55

in and you read and you go like when you recognize You're

32:57

like, oh, yeah, this is Grace

32:59

Anatomy is really good when we

33:01

were doing the rest of development Especially that first year Jason,

33:03

I would call it to we get the new scripts on Sunday nights

33:06

if we were lucky maybe Monday morning

33:08

and

33:09

We'd call each other and go. Oh my god. Did you read

33:11

the

33:12

new script for this week?

33:14

it's so good like we

33:18

It was one of the rare times that you could actually

33:20

appreciate it in the moment How

33:23

good the material was isn't that great it

33:25

was it did you feel like You

33:28

those are probably also in the days when they would have a runner

33:31

send the script Oh, like you did

33:34

ding dong and it'd be a runner from the studio

33:36

Yeah, like with an actual script in their hand

33:39

Physical. Yeah, somebody would come with

33:41

an actual script and they drop it off into

33:43

a Manila envelope Yeah, right

33:45

and leave it at your front door and you

33:47

know, the cast is I lived in Venice Sorted

33:51

cross Jason was up in the

33:53

hills Tony was wherever

33:55

Jessica was where Jeffrey was So,

33:58

you know, you know one or two people in their drive

33:59

having all over LA at 5 a.m. with

34:02

the scripts. One of my favorite

34:04

stories about physical

34:06

delivery of stuff in showbiz was Jim

34:10

Brows told me this about- I've

34:12

had Jim Brows on the podcast. He's the- He's

34:14

the best, right? He's the most famous

34:16

comedy half hour director in the history of

34:19

the world.

34:20

The most, I've been rewatching

34:23

old Cheers episodes in

34:26

the last six months. Amazing show. You

34:28

wanna go and see- You talk about a high bar

34:31

when in terms of writing, acting, directing,

34:34

and the combo. I made, you know, Abel,

34:36

my son. I made Abel come down and watch

34:38

this scene that I've described

34:41

amongst on many platforms and services

34:43

I've talked about this scene. One

34:45

of my favorite comedy scenes of all time. It's

34:48

the last episode of season four of Cheers. And

34:50

Diane is jealous that Sam's got

34:53

the- He's dating the woman who's the politician.

34:55

So Diane goes, I'm gonna leave.

34:57

And she stands up in front of her, but she goes by the door and

34:59

she makes this big announcement. I'm leaving. You

35:02

shall never see me again. The

35:04

times have been good, but lo, it's time for me

35:06

to leave. She makes this big boring speech,

35:09

like sort of farewell to the truth. And

35:11

her final sort of salvo

35:14

is, and you shall never see Diane

35:16

Chambers

35:18

again. And she walks out

35:20

the door, beat, beat.

35:23

The door opens slightly and

35:26

the hand comes in and

35:28

starts reaching for this coat rack

35:30

where there was a guy. And Carla's

35:33

on the other side of the coat rack and she can see, and

35:36

she just ever so slightly

35:38

pulls the coat rack back,

35:40

back, back in the hand. The hand keeps coming in further,

35:42

further, further, further. Finally, Diane

35:45

falls in and Carla says, hey, everybody

35:47

look, Diane's back.

35:49

It's amazing.

35:52

And I said to Abel, I was like, that

35:54

is a culmination of

35:56

really good writing,

35:58

really good acting. and

36:01

just absolute platinum

36:03

directing, timing all those things.

36:06

Yep, yep, absolutely.

36:09

You feel so lucky when you watch that stuff

36:11

and you go like, this is, you know.

36:13

You feel elated, like,

36:16

and again, like when I watch episodes of

36:18

Arrested, it's,

36:21

I'm jaded, man, I'm super

36:23

jaded. I do not like a lot. I

36:26

really, really don't, particularly in comedy,

36:29

but when I like it, I almost want

36:31

to start weeping.

36:33

Yes, yes.

36:35

That's, I totally relate to that,

36:37

and I'm the same way. I hate everything.

36:40

Famously in my friend group, I think that

36:42

everything sucks. And I'm

36:45

an equal opportunity. I mean, that goes for

36:47

most of the stuff I've done too. I'm like,

36:50

boy, that really sucks.

36:51

But yes, so when you watch a scene

36:53

like that, like from Cheers, or you watch, you read

36:55

something like, Mitch Hurwitz had a lot of that, you

36:57

know, Mitch, as not

37:00

a lot of people know, Mitch Hurwitz who created Arrested development

37:02

and show ran it,

37:04

Mitch worked on, he started at Whit Thomas,

37:06

and he started as a runner at Whit Thomas

37:09

and ended up running, he

37:11

wrote for Golden Girls, and then they did Golden

37:13

Palace. And he worked his way up just because

37:16

he's a talented, funny motherfucker. He literally

37:18

earned it just by being really

37:20

good, zero connections. Right.

37:22

But he came, there was something to be said for, he

37:26

came up writing on an

37:28

incredible multi-cam sitcom.

37:30

Yeah.

37:31

That's where he kind of learned a lot

37:33

of, and a lot of that

37:35

is sort of based on theater, as you know, Jimmy Burroughs,

37:38

big theater guy. Yep.

37:40

So Mitch brought a lot of that to

37:43

Arrested development, I think.

37:47

So it wasn't, you know, Arrested wasn't like a lot of, a

37:50

lot of single camera shows ended up getting

37:52

kind of flatter and flatter and flatter

37:54

as they went.

37:56

Yes. Arrested wasn't like a flat show in

37:58

that way. No, it wasn't. Which I really

38:01

appreciate because that again, like I

38:03

like some of that flat stuff, but it's

38:05

what I love about 30 Rock. 30 Rock is one

38:08

breath away from

38:10

being a living cartoon. Yeah,

38:12

a sketch. Like basically a sketch, right?

38:15

Yes. You can't. I think that that's 30 Rock

38:20

arrested and Parsh and Rex certainly had a

38:22

lot of this too, and so did the office. You can't be afraid

38:24

to be a comedy. Yes. Thank

38:27

you. Thank you.

38:28

And I think that there's a lot of people who are too cool for

38:30

school. Right. They want to

38:32

sort of

38:34

break comedy down

38:37

and they're going to be, you know, and I'm like, you

38:39

know what? Be funny first. I

38:41

don't mean, I'm not suggesting that I am. I'm just

38:43

saying that in general. Yes. You're preaching

38:45

to the choir. Keep, preach. Preach. Yeah.

38:48

And just allow yourself,

38:50

don't be too cool for school and don't be worried

38:52

about how there's too much

38:55

of that. Like everything

38:56

got way for me, for my

38:58

liking, got way too dead

39:00

and sort of deadpan. And

39:03

there's

39:04

certainly a time and place for that, but you kind of

39:06

mix it up, man. I'm with, I'm

39:08

with you. And look, unstable

39:11

is an unapologetic in your

39:13

face comedy. And

39:15

it's great. And it's like, I

39:18

never thought that that would be considered outside

39:22

the norm or daring

39:25

or unique, but it is, it is today. I

39:29

look at the, I look at the list of like shows

39:32

that are nominated in comedy categories. Yeah. And

39:36

look, I mean, no disrespect to anybody. No. I

39:39

remember years ago, well, this is a perfect

39:41

Amy story. Amy and I, after the Emmys,

39:44

every year would

39:46

sit in the makeup chair and

39:49

look at each other and just go nurse

39:52

Jackie. What are you gonna do? Hilarious

39:56

nurse Jackie. It's about, I love nurse Jackie. It's

40:00

a great show. It's not a comedy.

40:03

Right. Yeah,

40:07

I believe me, I had my own. Who

40:11

is yours? We

40:13

had a bunch. We had a bunch of shows that

40:16

were like, I

40:19

think, I think, I

40:21

think Desperate Housewives was a comedy. I

40:25

guess they ended up saying it was a satire or something.

40:28

And I think we

40:30

arrested had the arrested development had the

40:33

benefit of we won our first

40:35

year. We won best comedy our first year. Uh,

40:38

and then never again. Um,

40:41

like we're done with that. We gave them what they needed.

40:44

Yeah. We were so surprised.

40:46

Yeah. Sure. We were the little show

40:49

that, that Fox hated. I think the Fox

40:51

at that time is really bummed

40:53

that we won.

40:54

Yes. Cause they were like, fuck, now we

40:56

gotta keep these guys on the air. And they gave

40:59

us famously an ice cream, not

41:01

truck. Cart to,

41:04

to congratulate us. Well, but

41:06

for the fact that I have the topper of all toppers,

41:09

that's a great story. West

41:12

Wing. Yeah. We

41:15

win. We're going to win for consecutive

41:18

best show Emmys. We're

41:20

going to win at that time. The

41:22

most Emmys any, any show has ever won the

41:26

first year. We sweep

41:29

every category. We're

41:31

also in the top 10 ratings. Warner

41:35

brothers makes the TV show. They're

41:37

about to famously merge in what

41:40

they think is going to be one of the greatest corporate synergy

41:42

moves of all time with a

41:44

L aol time Warner.

41:48

And everybody is just, you've got West

41:50

Wing. They're just proud as peacocks. No pun

41:52

intended. Sure. And

41:55

they're like, Hey, the the

41:57

brass is coming to the set and they want to. gift

42:01

to everybody.

42:04

And I remember talking to the late great John

42:06

Spencer and this is the time when I think the friends

42:08

cast all got cars.

42:11

I remember

42:13

Melina Canacaridis on Providence

42:18

got a Range Rover. I

42:22

remember every

42:25

department head on ER got

42:28

a million dollar check. What?

42:33

So if you ran wardrobe million dollars, you

42:35

ran, you were the head of the electricians

42:37

million dollars, you were the DP million dollars.

42:41

This was the world we were living in. Now granted, those are

42:44

extraordinary moments in time. Still,

42:46

that is what's going on. I'm not making it up. It

42:48

all went on. John Spencer says,

42:51

do you think we're getting cars?

42:53

My man, can you fucking

42:56

imagine? So we stopped

42:58

shooting.

43:00

We all crowd into the Roosevelt room.

43:02

It's hot as hell. Never

43:04

forget it. As long as I live. We're

43:07

always behind on that show, always behind. And

43:09

we're waiting, we're waiting, we're waiting, we're waiting.

43:12

And people will walkie talkies come in like secret

43:14

service types. They're coming there. The executives are on the

43:16

way there. They're coming there. Hush

43:19

falls over the room. And

43:21

comes all these Wall Street

43:23

people and AOL executives

43:25

and Warner brother executives and Peter

43:28

Roth, the Titanic leader

43:30

of HBA of

43:32

Warner Brothers TV comes in and he says, on behalf

43:37

of AOL time

43:39

Warner, we

43:41

would like to recognize the West Wing for

43:43

its historic Emmy night.

43:46

We feel it is emblematic of everything

43:49

that the new AOL time Warner will

43:51

become. And as

43:54

a token of our appreciation for

43:56

what you have accomplished,

43:59

we would like to present you with this and then emotions.

44:02

And a guy comes

44:04

out with what looks like a room

44:07

service cart with a

44:09

blanket over it. And

44:12

Peter Roth grabs it and literally says, voila,

44:15

it's a single

44:17

serving espresso maker. No

44:26

way. That is a on

44:28

my children's life. Single

44:36

serving. Not

44:42

only you have to go one

44:44

at a time. It's a crew

44:46

of 200 people. That

44:52

is fucking incredible.

44:54

It broke 10 days

44:57

later and the prop master

44:59

went to replace it and found out it was rented. No

45:03

way. Yes, it's all true. Jeffrey

45:10

Tambor told me, that is, first

45:13

of all, that's outrageous, but also

45:15

great. Jeffrey Tambor told me once that

45:17

when they were doing Larry Sanders

45:20

at the end of the series,

45:22

they all decided they were going to pitch in

45:24

and get Gary Shandling a

45:27

great gift. So

45:31

they decided that they're going to buy him a car. They're

45:33

all going to chip in the gas because he's done this thing. They're

45:36

going to buy them, they're all going to collectively, and

45:38

it's going to cost them 10

45:40

grand each or whatever. It's going to be some

45:42

epic just to think Gary.

45:46

And Jeffrey has been

45:48

given the Tesco tell rip. So

45:52

it goes up. Jeffrey tells me, the

45:54

reason he told me this story was because I was

45:56

shooting a show at Radford.

45:59

when I was doing Up All Night with Christina Applegate

46:02

when you guys were doing Parr's Rock. And

46:05

I had the same dressing room

46:07

as Rip, apparently, when he

46:09

was on, so that's why. So

46:13

Tim, or- This is Rip Torn, one of

46:15

the great-

46:16

One of the great- I worked with, I have Rip's, yeah,

46:18

please. Rip was amazing. Amazing.

46:23

Yeah, I worked with him on 30 Rock as well. Oh,

46:25

it's amazing.

46:27

So he goes, so Jeffery goes up to his dressing room.

46:30

Jeffery had said, I recognize this is the dressing room, Rip

46:32

had it in it, and then he tells me the story. So he goes up

46:34

and he knocks it on the Rip's door.

46:36

And Rip opens the door. Yeah.

46:39

He goes, hey, Rip, we've

46:41

all decided we're gonna get together. We're gonna pull it together. We're gonna

46:43

get a great gift for Gary. He goes, okay.

46:47

He goes, yeah, we're gonna

46:48

buy him a car.

46:51

Rip looks at him and goes, oh, fuck

46:53

yourself. And slams the door shut. That's

46:55

Rip. Go

47:00

fuck yourself. One

47:03

of the great, by the way, you know where he

47:05

stands. I mean, there's no doubt. There's

47:07

no doubt. By the way, we knew where AOL

47:09

time were stood. We

47:12

were worth about one espresso maker.

47:15

When didn't you,

47:17

and it should be noted, West Wing went on

47:19

into syndication heaven.

47:21

Yes. Somebody got rich.

47:24

Somebody, the guy who brought in

47:26

the espresso maker did. Definitely.

47:29

There's definitely somebody. What

47:33

did you work with Rip on? I

47:36

worked with Rip on after Aaron

47:38

Sorkin and I both left

47:40

the West Wing

47:42

in season four. And

47:45

I did a show called The Lion's

47:47

Den.

47:51

Really good cast. David

47:53

Crumholtz, Elizabeth Mitchell, Kyle Chandler.

48:00

Yeah. And

48:02

Rip played my father.

48:08

Rip played your father. Yes. Do

48:13

you know, so here's just a quick one. So

48:16

it, the

48:18

show premieres.

48:21

This is very inside baseball, but you'll get it.

48:24

We do an 8.6 in the demo.

48:26

Eight and eight six.

48:29

By the way, today, the biggest hit in the world does

48:31

a point, a point

48:34

nine. You're a massive

48:36

hit. We did an eight point

48:39

six and they're like, Oh, it's over. We're,

48:41

we're done. We're, we're, we're, we're done. So

48:44

they cancel us, but

48:46

they make us shoot the order.

48:49

They make us continue. We're canceled, but

48:52

we have to continue shooting because

48:55

that's

48:56

what you do when you're canceled. You

48:58

continue to make a TV show that

49:01

no one's going to ever see, but

49:03

this, I'm not making this up either. Yeah.

49:05

We continue to shoot. So

49:09

they've long since fired the original

49:11

show runner because he was spending

49:13

more time editing his daughter's basketball

49:16

games on his computer than, than writing the scripts.

49:20

Not, also not kidding.

49:22

And so

49:27

the whole predicate

49:29

of the show was I'm a young up and

49:32

coming lawyer

49:34

in a law firm that's rife with corruption

49:36

that may have even killed its

49:39

founding partner who was my mentor.

49:41

And I'm going to get to the bottom of it.

49:43

Right. Sounds good enough to me. Sounds like a show

49:46

to me. Yeah. That's a show. We

49:49

decide since we're canceled to just burn

49:51

the bridges down. So we decide I'm

49:54

going to be the guy who

49:56

killed

49:57

my mentor.

50:00

And all of this is

50:02

going to lead to me. We shoot

50:05

scenes for me of taking anti-psychotic

50:08

drugs and

50:11

backfill them into episodes. Got

50:14

it.

50:15

Got it. And so the end

50:17

of the series that has been like a Tom

50:19

Cruise-ian young hero series, it actually

50:22

ended in the finale, which

50:25

I think they showed in Estonia.

50:28

Only place it ever aired.

50:31

Kyle Chandler, who works at the law firm, comes

50:33

in and I'm eating a steak in the corporate dining

50:35

room. And he confronts me

50:38

with being the killer and I get up from eating the steak, stab

50:41

him to death with a steak knife. He

50:43

falls bloodily over the conference table.

50:46

I walk

50:47

over to the doors

50:49

out under the patio and leap to my death.

50:52

No fucking way. Yep.

50:57

That is epic. When

51:01

we pitched the idea to the studio and the network,

51:03

they hated the show so much. They're

51:06

like, yeah, it's great. I don't think they actually

51:08

listened that they let us

51:11

make the show. That

51:14

is so... That they're

51:16

like, yeah, all they could think was like, oh good,

51:18

your character's

51:19

dead. Yeah. So now there's no

51:21

chance that

51:22

anybody will ever bring up, hey, can

51:25

we try again? Yeah. So they're

51:27

like, yeah, great idea, have him kill himself. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

51:30

What a fucking crazy... I

51:33

did this thing with David

51:35

Cross called The Increasingly

51:39

Poor Decisions of Todd Margaret.

51:42

Great title. Great title.

51:44

Great title that you should also know will never work.

51:47

I'm just saying. Of course. And

51:50

I really admire Cross for sticking

51:52

with it, just going for the super

51:55

long title and just

51:59

being like, yeah, I'm going to do it. like I'm not fucking changing.

52:01

Yeah, exactly. For sure. And

52:03

I love, I love me some David Cross

52:05

so much. And so, so Cross,

52:08

we do,

52:09

we

52:12

do the first,

52:14

I guess it was the end of the second season and

52:18

David has his character, he ends

52:20

up in North Korea,

52:24

the true story, he ends up in, and

52:27

blowing, and hitting the button and blowing up

52:29

the world.

52:31

Okay. It's amazing. Complete.

52:34

And you see scenes of just a-

52:37

Nuclear annihilation. Nuclear

52:39

annihilation, Armageddon, just like an end

52:41

of the world. The face of the planet

52:44

is just like this flaming thing.

52:48

Somebody comes back and we shoot the show over

52:50

in England. We started, we originally shot, but

52:52

it was with, I guess, like

52:57

Channel Four or something like that. And then it was like independent,

53:00

you know, IFC or whatever.

53:03

They come back, IFC or somebody says, we

53:05

really want to do a third season. David's like,

53:09

I blew up the planet,

53:12

man. I

53:14

know, but is there any way? That's

53:17

right. I know, but is there any way? It's such

53:19

a great-

53:21

We know.

53:22

We know the planet's blown up. So is there any

53:25

way?

53:25

But is there any way? And

53:28

he did, he found a way. And

53:30

we did more. Fuck, it was so funny. I remember

53:32

him calling me to tell him like, hey

53:34

man, how's your summer looking? And I was like, no

53:36

way. I'm in Amagansett.

53:39

What do you think I'm doing?

53:42

I'm not going till next week, by the way. I'm

53:44

not going till next week. I am leaving Saturday

53:46

for the summer. I'm

53:48

coming out.

53:50

Are you? Yeah, I'm coming out. I don't

53:52

know when. Please end that. I'm coming

53:54

out to the Long Island. Yes.

53:56

Not just I'm coming out.

53:58

Well, listen, not that there's any- wrong with that either.

54:01

But at this point, I'm- This would be big news. Put

54:03

it this way. Rob, this should be such

54:06

big news on so many fronts.

54:08

Right?

54:09

Well, the gay community would be very happy.

54:12

Yes. And? Do you

54:14

think there'd be a lot of I knew it all the time stuff?

54:18

I probably wouldn't say that out loud.

54:21

Or you're singing the world. Yeah. I

54:27

think,

54:28

no, I don't think there would be that, but it would be it would

54:31

be epic. And I'd be your, and I'd be

54:33

excited.

54:34

I'd be really excited for you. But I only say

54:36

that the reason

54:38

that Seth MacFarlane and I are friends, and that I

54:41

do a lot of work with him is

54:43

one of the great Stewie family guy bets

54:45

where Stewie goes to Hollywood.

54:47

And he's getting his makeup done in one of those giant

54:49

makeup chairs. And

54:52

the scene opens and he's getting his makeup done with

54:54

clearly a really flamboyant gay

54:57

guy. And Stewie goes, oh,

55:00

please, just let me do one more.

55:03

And the makeup guy goes, all right, you can do one

55:06

more. And he goes, Rob, no.

55:09

And he goes, and the makeup guy goes, straight.

55:12

And she goes, no, you

55:15

would never know to look at him. Wow.

55:23

It just made me laugh. It was such a

55:26

great shot. Of

55:29

course. It's so good. I'm

55:32

glad you say that because I was thinking

55:34

of, I was talking to some friends last night at dinner

55:36

and I was saying, how much I love a good

55:39

burn. A funny

55:41

burn. And I really

55:43

have you ever been roasted? You need to be, you,

55:46

okay, listen, forget the

55:48

PXG stuff, all the stuff we've done. We

55:51

need and I'm actually not. I'm

55:54

not kidding about this. I'm going to I'm not kidding. When

55:56

we get off this, I'm making a call. You've probably

55:58

had this offer and you said no.

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1:00:02

My roast is too easy. It's

1:00:09

great. My roast is too easy because

1:00:11

there's too many things you can, first of all, America

1:00:13

wouldn't care, but B. Not true. It's

1:00:16

true. And B, I could write

1:00:18

my own roast. I

1:00:20

mean, it would be so easy

1:00:23

to hit me. But

1:00:29

look, that makes no difference. The roasts

1:00:31

work. I've seen roasts that are great when it's somebody

1:00:33

who seems unroastable. And

1:00:35

I've also seen ones

1:00:37

where you're like, oh, they're just going to tee

1:00:39

off on this person.

1:00:41

They roasted me. It's one of my favorite things because

1:00:43

I love a good burn.

1:00:44

I had the time of my life.

1:00:47

That's right. I forgot you got roasted. I

1:00:49

loved it. When

1:00:52

was that, Rob? They teed off.

1:00:55

When was that? I want to say it was about

1:00:57

five years ago now. I think,

1:01:00

I think. Oh, no, no, I can tell you

1:01:03

exactly what it was. It was longer than that.

1:01:06

It was the year that Trump

1:01:08

was running for president because Ann Coulter

1:01:11

was on my dais

1:01:13

and was going on and on about

1:01:15

how great Trump was. And at

1:01:18

a certain point, the roast shifted

1:01:20

to a roast of Ann Coulter. It was in 2016. Yeah.

1:01:23

Got

1:01:26

it. So,

1:01:30

okay. I

1:01:34

think they asked me to come and participate

1:01:37

in that and I wasn't

1:01:38

around. I've been asked to

1:01:41

take part in two roasts,

1:01:42

yours and Alec

1:01:44

Baldwin's. Yeah,

1:01:47

I mean. And either I could attend. I

1:01:49

love watching. First of all, I love watching the roasts.

1:01:52

They're so funny. Those comedians

1:01:55

who are really good at roasts, we were talking about this last

1:01:57

night. I was talking about with the great Mary

1:01:59

McCormick last night. Love her. Love

1:02:01

her. There

1:02:03

are certain people, certain comedians who are so

1:02:06

good at that. It's such a specific

1:02:08

talent. And I love it. I love,

1:02:11

I was telling this story of on our

1:02:14

Smartlist docuseries

1:02:17

that's on Max. Which is, by the way,

1:02:19

great. I see, by the way, the Smartlist docuseries

1:02:22

is all over my TikTok

1:02:25

Twitter feed. It's everywhere. It's got

1:02:27

to be crushing. Is it? That's

1:02:30

what Amy just told me this

1:02:32

weekend. Amy's like, oh

1:02:34

my God, the Smartlist thing is all over the place. Those clips

1:02:36

are hilarious. They're hilarious. I could

1:02:38

recite them to you. I've seen them so much. Well,

1:02:41

it's weird.

1:02:42

But in the show, on one

1:02:44

of the episodes, we're talking with

1:02:46

Matt Damon, we're in Wisconsin, and we're

1:02:49

talking about Brad Pitt. And I was like, God, I love me. It's from Brad

1:02:51

Pitt. And I do. I love Brad. He

1:02:54

knows that.

1:02:55

I told this story about running into Brad at this

1:02:58

concert or a friend of ours, and then he's, and

1:03:00

he, Brad was very kind

1:03:03

and generous with words. He was like, I loved your show, Flaked.

1:03:05

And he was saying, blah, blah, blah. And I said, oh my God, thanks,

1:03:07

man. And then I go outside in the hall and

1:03:10

I fell, I slid down the wall and

1:03:13

put my hand in my head, my head in my hands. And I was like, oh,

1:03:16

God, as I slid down. Like,

1:03:19

like, like, like one of those things, like of a, like a girl

1:03:21

when the Beatles first came to America and

1:03:23

they're screaming. I was like,

1:03:25

oh my God. There's a beat

1:03:27

and Bateman from across the thing looks at me and goes,

1:03:30

who do you think he thought

1:03:32

you were? Oh my God, that's

1:03:34

amazing. That's amazing. It

1:03:37

was so good. And

1:03:39

the timing of it was so good. Again, another example

1:03:41

of like perfect timing and just old school.

1:03:44

It was such a great burn. Not

1:03:46

only did I laugh my ass off because it was so good,

1:03:48

but I was also simultaneously so

1:03:50

jealous at how great the burn was. It's

1:03:53

such a good burn.

1:03:54

It's such there's there's an

1:03:56

art to it, though. There's an art to a burn.

1:03:58

There's first of all, all, there has to be

1:04:01

the thing that makes

1:04:03

me laugh is the plausible

1:04:05

element of truth. Yes.

1:04:08

Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yes.

1:04:12

Well, not only the plausible element of truth,

1:04:15

but the, the corner, the

1:04:17

little bit of truth that you suspect that the

1:04:19

other person harbors within them that

1:04:22

makes them feel insecure. That's right. And

1:04:24

you hit on that. And you hit on that.

1:04:26

It's the one plausible

1:04:28

element of truth that

1:04:30

is the most devastating. Like what's the

1:04:32

most devi... I

1:04:36

mean,

1:04:38

it's so, I

1:04:42

asked Amy to be also, I asked you, obviously

1:04:44

I asked Amy to, and Amy was like, I can't be mean.

1:04:46

Poehler was like, I'll do it. I love you, but

1:04:49

I can't be mean. I go, well, I don't know what you want to do

1:04:51

then. So we concocted this thing

1:04:53

at the beginning of the roast. She's amazing. And by

1:04:55

the way, looks amazing.

1:04:57

She's in a little red devil suit.

1:04:59

Have you seen her in the devil suit yet?

1:05:01

No. You had to see this. I

1:05:04

don't think I ended up watching. I gotta watch

1:05:06

it. She's in a devil suit and we do a little

1:05:08

skit, skip together at

1:05:10

the beginning, but she would not go on the dais. She

1:05:12

wouldn't do it. She's like, I can't be mean. Amy said, I will

1:05:14

not be mean on camera.

1:05:21

There's nobody better roasting. No,

1:05:24

my God. Than AP. No,

1:05:26

when AP gets all Boston

1:05:29

and shit.

1:05:31

Oh dude, good luck.

1:05:33

It's the best.

1:05:34

You do not want to be on the wrong side. No. No.

1:05:37

No. AP, when

1:05:40

she goes full on like,

1:05:43

you know, Boston

1:05:46

and then hit you with the cackle at the end. We

1:05:52

won time years ago. We're

1:05:55

in New York and our dog was outside barking.

1:05:59

We were, we were,

1:05:59

She was late and I, we walked into a deli to like, you know,

1:06:02

whatever, get some water and

1:06:04

probably like buying a pack of smokes or something

1:06:07

on 4th Avenue at like 10th Street and

1:06:10

Suki, her old dog was barking like crazy. We

1:06:12

come out and this woman goes, your dog's barking. Amy

1:06:15

goes, fuck you. Just

1:06:17

immediately. She ripped her. And she was

1:06:19

right.

1:06:19

She's like, rip torn. She's right

1:06:22

because like rip torn. Like

1:06:24

rip torn. And like rip torn, go fuck yourself.

1:06:26

And she was right because the woman was like, like,

1:06:29

yeah, the dog was barking as a dog and

1:06:31

like whatever. God.

1:06:33

And I was like, lady,

1:06:35

don't fucking don't come to, you

1:06:38

know, bring rocks to a gunfight. I

1:06:42

want to see that iteration of

1:06:44

because Leslie Knope is so beloved.

1:06:47

Yeah.

1:06:48

And so nice.

1:06:50

Yeah.

1:06:51

We've got to do that. I will say this

1:06:53

though. I sort of say that jokingly. Like

1:06:55

Amy is she's not mean and

1:06:58

she doesn't want it. She actually legit doesn't want to be

1:07:00

mean. She does have that sort

1:07:02

of she's a very sort of not

1:07:05

optimistic.

1:07:06

But she does

1:07:08

have that but she doesn't like

1:07:11

piling on. No, she's got she's

1:07:13

got her thing. I mean, when

1:07:16

they

1:07:16

famously reimagined her character

1:07:19

and saved the show right

1:07:21

in season two, they

1:07:23

just leaned into

1:07:24

to as you do in comedy, you lean

1:07:26

into what you bring to it. And

1:07:29

she's not an iteration of Michael Scott. She's

1:07:31

got that sort of can she's very roll

1:07:34

up your sleeves

1:07:35

can't can do

1:07:38

which reads as optimism. And

1:07:41

she loves being part of a team. Right.

1:07:43

She loves being part of a team. And

1:07:46

she doesn't really like hardcore ribbing. Actually

1:07:48

you know, one of the things obviously Jason and I and Sean,

1:07:50

we love to rib each other mercilessly.

1:07:53

Yeah, that's amazing. And

1:07:55

Amy is the one who said to me years ago, that's

1:07:57

your love language.

1:07:59

She's right. And she used to always

1:08:02

say, like Jason and I have always, now

1:08:04

it's just, we just record it. That's

1:08:06

right. But she was always like, into

1:08:09

us. She'd be like, guys, cool

1:08:11

it. Just count, you guys are being too hard on

1:08:14

each other. Really? No, yeah.

1:08:16

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw a clip

1:08:19

from the documentary where clearly it's whoever's

1:08:21

producing the documentary

1:08:23

or filming it

1:08:25

says off camera, what are you guys doing?

1:08:27

And

1:08:29

you say, this is just our love language.

1:08:32

Cause I think it makes,

1:08:33

I think it makes certain people

1:08:36

maybe uncomfortable. Yeah.

1:08:39

Yeah, we explained that that's

1:08:41

true. Yes, we did. And it was,

1:08:43

it truly was Amy who kind of

1:08:45

gave me that insight years ago that that's what

1:08:48

we've said before.

1:08:50

Like to a certain degree,

1:08:53

if we're not busting

1:08:55

on you or ripping you, then we just don't

1:08:57

give a shit. Yes,

1:09:00

yes.

1:09:01

Like if I don't have anything invested with somebody,

1:09:03

I'll just be like,

1:09:05

not flat, but like, all right. Do

1:09:08

you ever bust Jason

1:09:10

on his haircuts? All

1:09:13

the time. Do you?

1:09:15

Yeah, like last night he showed up for dinner

1:09:17

and I said, what is going on? Did you get a haircut

1:09:20

or something? Knowing that he'd been talking all week,

1:09:22

we play golf, then he was talking to me like, I really

1:09:24

need to get a haircut. And I was like, definitely keep us

1:09:26

posted. Like why you keep mentioning what we're

1:09:28

playing golf? We don't give a fuck if you get

1:09:30

a haircut. Keep us posted. So

1:09:33

then he shows up last night and he comes in and I go, did

1:09:36

you get a haircut? Just waiting

1:09:38

for him to have a real answer. And he goes, no, actually

1:09:40

I just shampooed it. And I go, I don't care. Why

1:09:45

does it look poofy? And I'm like, man, I was

1:09:48

just busting your, you know. This is a little poofy.

1:09:51

But he does have great hair. You've got great hair too. Yeah,

1:09:54

he's, I

1:09:56

eyeball him. As you

1:09:58

know, when there's another gun.

1:09:59

slinger in the town. Yeah,

1:10:01

sure. He's he's

1:10:03

one of the all time great

1:10:06

salads. Oh, does he

1:10:09

have that salad up there? It's so

1:10:11

good. And he he's aware, you

1:10:13

know, I've talked about this a lot on my podcast,

1:10:15

so forgive me, but he's he hasn't,

1:10:17

he claims to have not

1:10:19

run a comb nor a brush

1:10:21

through it since he was 11.

1:10:25

I have not run a comb or a brush

1:10:27

through mine in decades.

1:10:30

Is that true? Yeah, decades. You've

1:10:32

got great. I wanted to ask you early on, what do

1:10:34

you do? What do you do? How

1:10:36

do you keep it so tight? We

1:10:38

do. You're my you're my gold standard.

1:10:40

You're you're my gun slinger. Because Bateman,

1:10:43

whatever. He just

1:10:47

looks like, like a guy with a

1:10:49

needing disorder. What do you do?

1:10:53

Because what's your what's your

1:10:55

primary, you know, source of exercise.

1:10:57

Actually, here's what

1:11:00

I actually think my secret weapon is. And long

1:11:02

before it became fashionable. Because

1:11:06

what was fashionable for years was, dude,

1:11:09

I'm good at five hours of sleep, man. I'm good to

1:11:12

go. I'm up and out of them. I'm in the gym, you know, you give

1:11:14

me my five hours, man. And I'm a world beater. And

1:11:16

I was like, always humiliated. Because

1:11:18

I'm like, I'm like, really? I'm like, I could do

1:11:20

like 10 and be fine

1:11:21

and be really happy.

1:11:24

So I actually

1:11:26

think a lot of it is sleep. And,

1:11:28

um, and the

1:11:30

world's caught up to me on that a little

1:11:32

bit. As you know, I don't drink

1:11:35

that helps. Um,

1:11:38

I work out like a fiend only because I

1:11:40

love it. Do you really? Yeah,

1:11:43

like there's you must but like when

1:11:45

I when I have when I have days

1:11:47

off. I'm just

1:11:50

when I go to bed at night, I think about two things. And

1:11:53

this is this, I think about Grey's Grey's

1:11:55

Anatomy. I think about the

1:11:58

money I would have made on Grey's Anatomy.

1:11:59

I think about that three things,

1:12:02

three things, the money I would have made on, on

1:12:04

Grey's Anatomy, I think about my golf

1:12:06

swing. Yeah. And

1:12:09

then I think about what workout I'm

1:12:11

going to tomorrow. I'm not kidding. Really?

1:12:13

Yeah. That's what I think about. And like, maybe,

1:12:18

Oh, since we're talking about product placement,

1:12:20

this is the theme of the episode. The

1:12:22

catalyst vest. Do you know about this?

1:12:26

The catalyst

1:12:28

vest. Not the thing with the, with the electronic.

1:12:33

It's a suit. It's like a wet, wet suit kind

1:12:36

of space suit you put on and it, it

1:12:38

shocks your muscle groups and

1:12:41

it sounds like BS.

1:12:42

You turned me onto this Bradley Cooper.

1:12:45

Dude, I was just

1:12:47

going to say I've only seen one. And it

1:12:49

was at Bradley's house. Bradley, Bradley, turn me onto

1:12:52

this thing. I was, and I was like, do I even

1:12:54

say, should I say that Bradley, cause maybe he doesn't want me

1:12:56

to know, but I'm glad you said it. So I saw it Bradley's house

1:12:58

like

1:12:59

a year ago. Yep. It's

1:13:02

he's, did he swore,

1:13:04

but he said, he said, I had to stop wearing it because

1:13:07

I was getting too, too jacked. Not

1:13:09

only were it for when I ride a bike.

1:13:12

Yeah. He wears it on the Peloton when he does Peloton.

1:13:14

I

1:13:17

okay. So I it's a

1:13:19

game changer game changer. But,

1:13:22

but I also still lift. I also

1:13:25

do. I like, I play pickleball. I

1:13:27

play golf. I play surf. Anything you

1:13:29

do physically, if you say to me, Hey, tomorrow

1:13:31

we're gonna fill in the blank. I am there

1:13:33

with bells on.

1:13:35

I think you used to do a lot of paddling,

1:13:38

right? Did you do a lot of kayaking back in the day? Stand

1:13:40

up, stand up paddling. It's actually,

1:13:42

it's actually surfing. It's not like, Oh, I'm going

1:13:44

to go through the canals. It's, it's standing

1:13:47

up

1:13:48

paddle in hand, surfing waves.

1:13:51

Surfing waves. And then are

1:13:53

you, now are you a first thing in the morning workout

1:13:55

guy? I hear

1:13:57

I'm, I'm, I am, um, First

1:14:01

of all, and the other thing is, since this

1:14:04

is an ad campaign

1:14:06

kind of day, I'm eating the Atkins

1:14:09

way. You are. And

1:14:13

I'm looking at the spokesman now and have been for years, but I

1:14:15

actually have been eating that way

1:14:17

for years and years and years because

1:14:20

I woke up one day, I came out of the water

1:14:22

in a bathing suit and my good friend, the actor Bill

1:14:25

Paxton, God bless him, literally

1:14:29

pointed at my stomach and started laughing.

1:14:32

And said, Oh, God damn,

1:14:34

brother, you got a gun.

1:14:37

And and from

1:14:39

that day, I realized I've got it. I can't

1:14:41

eat like I'm 18. And so I started

1:14:43

eating the Atkins way. So

1:14:46

there there's that. I

1:14:48

was going to say, he said,

1:14:50

God, you got a gut. And then like, as

1:14:52

you were on your way to buying a rope

1:14:55

with which to hang yourself, somebody called, hey,

1:14:58

you can also just not eat carbs. You just also

1:15:00

not eat carbs. Yeah. Oh, wait,

1:15:02

I don't have to hang myself. So that's been so

1:15:05

you don't eat. You never when was.

1:15:07

So you're asking. So I eat Atkins

1:15:10

way. I also happen to intermittent fast.

1:15:13

Well, you do both. Yes. And

1:15:15

then so yes, when I work out, I like to work out

1:15:18

fasted. So

1:15:21

I will wake up and go to the gym

1:15:23

without having eaten.

1:15:25

I've been looking into where I

1:15:27

keep trying to look on the internet. Should I work out

1:15:30

and then eat or should I eat and then

1:15:32

work out? And guess what?

1:15:33

They're divided on it. I know they

1:15:35

are. Yeah. And they can't decide.

1:15:37

So I here's what I can I tell you something?

1:15:40

You've been to Africa.

1:15:41

I have not.

1:15:42

You should. You should go.

1:15:45

I know I should. I've been multiple times going

1:15:47

again next year.

1:15:49

I spent time with.

1:15:53

And I'm drawing a blank on the name of the tribe.

1:15:56

They're.

1:15:57

Amazing people.

1:15:59

And they.

1:15:59

they live for

1:16:01

the most part as

1:16:03

they have for 70,000 years, whatever it is. And

1:16:11

we trekked and hiked and

1:16:15

they found, by the way, shredded. We

1:16:19

would wish to

1:16:20

look like these guys. Ripped. They

1:16:23

were walking and I don't

1:16:26

speak the language, so I don't really know what's going on. And

1:16:28

they found a beehive

1:16:31

and they go, they're super

1:16:33

psyched dances, amazing

1:16:35

singing. They eat the

1:16:38

honey, the beehive. They're

1:16:42

thrilled. Walk another, by the

1:16:45

way, there's 25 of them, one little

1:16:47

beehive. Then they walk and walk and walk and walk and walk,

1:16:50

hours hot, hot, hot, hot,

1:16:53

turtle,

1:16:54

middle of the road. Sure goes,

1:16:56

oh, they're celebrating the turtle. I'm like, honey, they're not

1:17:00

going to celebrate that turtle. She

1:17:02

goes, what do you mean? They're going to

1:17:04

eat it. She goes, they are not

1:17:07

throw the turtle on the fire

1:17:09

alive. Burns

1:17:11

to death. Eat the turtle meat. That's

1:17:15

it. That's what they had to eat that

1:17:17

day.

1:17:18

And they weren't like, oh, we're not walking.

1:17:21

They

1:17:21

were like, oh, you know, I need to eat before

1:17:24

I walk.

1:17:26

It's like human beings don't

1:17:28

know when they're going to have their next meal. That's

1:17:30

what's in our DNA. Right.

1:17:33

What's in our DNA is we don't know what we're going to eat.

1:17:37

We don't know. Yeah, that's

1:17:40

it's a construct. It's totally

1:17:42

a construct. Three a day,

1:17:45

two, one meal every two hours. I

1:17:48

think it's construct by the

1:17:50

way. I'm not speaking on behalf of Atkins officially. Right

1:17:52

now. No, I know. I'm just sorry. I'm

1:17:55

trying to instacart honey and

1:17:57

turtle me. Yeah. I'm just going to get that.

1:17:59

It's gonna get. What

1:18:02

if you did that, you're like, you get super shredded

1:18:05

and then you're like, yeah. It's like Brad

1:18:07

Pitt famously ate lettuce. What

1:18:09

was it on Fight Club? Pitt ate lettuce

1:18:12

and tuna. Really?

1:18:15

Lettuce and tuna. But

1:18:18

I love the legendary things that actors

1:18:20

eat. Like what did Ed Norton eat

1:18:22

on, we play the Neo-Nazi.

1:18:25

Like, you know, when people just get so

1:18:28

shredded and you're like, and it's always

1:18:30

just, you did, it was licorice and Red Bull.

1:18:33

Well, it all comes

1:18:35

down to, it turns out they just weren't

1:18:37

really eating. It does,

1:18:39

doesn't it? Yeah, I

1:18:41

give Bateman a lot of shit about it. Like we'll play golf and

1:18:44

he'll be like,

1:18:46

I'm just getting a cup of sliced

1:18:48

apples. And I'm like, man, you're

1:18:51

starving, dude. Starving?

1:18:54

Yeah, you're not, you're just, you're in

1:18:56

a bad mood because you have no, your

1:18:58

blood sugar is through the floor. Do you think Bateman

1:19:00

would be pudgy if he

1:19:03

weren't so? Do you do?

1:19:05

Definitely. Definitely.

1:19:07

I think that he's still pudgy considering

1:19:09

how little he eats.

1:19:12

I'm just

1:19:14

saying that's a hope that he, that makes it as a

1:19:16

clip that he hears. You better hope he hears that.

1:19:18

No, no, no, no, no, no. By the way,

1:19:20

I think that, you know, we talk about food and we joke about

1:19:23

it all the time and stuff, but I think that he has, everybody's

1:19:25

got their own thing. And I watched him, we had dinner last night.

1:19:27

He actually ate a lot. We both had burgers. We had

1:19:30

a friend's house. We both had burgers. Yeah.

1:19:32

He had a burger and with the bun.

1:19:34

What the bunny did?

1:19:36

Yeah, and I had a bun as well.

1:19:38

I won't do, I try not to do that.

1:19:41

I know. That was my last question and

1:19:43

I know you got to wrap it up. When was the last time you had bread?

1:19:46

Be honest. Oh, I will

1:19:49

tell you that I tragically and sadly

1:19:52

had donuts last

1:19:55

night. Really?

1:19:57

Yeah. I love donuts. sock

1:20:01

garters so good i low sugar sugar

1:20:03

is that the next the next

1:20:05

battle will be fought it's

1:20:07

gonna be them he was enough for me or

1:20:09

you are you are you know

1:20:11

that are you not zero sugar

1:20:14

you look like you i love sugar amidst

1:20:16

i love i love sugar did you and i've

1:20:18

given up a lot in our lives it's like you're of i

1:20:21

go like how how many more things

1:20:23

do i have to that i love

1:20:26

em i don't have to give up in my life in the answer

1:20:28

is one about every

1:20:30

decade and a half yeah alright

1:20:34

this was so fun with it

1:20:37

by the way our we all that's your

1:20:39

sports thing i mean i know you got by i

1:20:41

am where i went i think you and i are meant to do something

1:20:43

a little what else let's get in the sports world

1:20:46

why

1:20:46

aren't we broadcasters

1:20:48

that are now you know

1:20:51

we do this

1:20:52

and that is not six am

1:20:55

ah at warner brothers

1:20:57

or radford ah it's three

1:20:59

pm at roland garros did

1:21:02

have you been there have there been a the

1:21:04

french oak okay it is

1:21:08

the greatest sports experience

1:21:10

i have ever had real ever

1:21:13

present you pull up you

1:21:15

like park at the curb it's the weirdest

1:21:17

thing it's like in the middle of a neighborhood

1:21:20

is no like parking like

1:21:22

that malicious is my experience of it maybe i'm

1:21:24

listening you pull up a

1:21:27

beautiful you know like per beautiful

1:21:30

parisian women all look exactly alike

1:21:33

your your i'm in because

1:21:35

they do or they they do they i'm sorry but

1:21:37

they do they look exactly alike

1:21:39

they're a male cats they've kept

1:21:41

their that like the cat face and

1:21:44

they're so beautiful and

1:21:47

they they roll up in in you

1:21:49

know their ways they're obsessed with the

1:21:51

color purple

1:21:53

polka dots and

1:21:56

pearls sure

1:21:58

like to go true Asian girls

1:22:00

are and they pull up in their

1:22:03

purple outfits and

1:22:05

their pearls and she's your greeter.

1:22:07

It's not some schlamiel

1:22:09

with like a laminate and, you know, 50 different

1:22:13

folders and a headpiece and then that shit.

1:22:16

And

1:22:17

they invite you. You're in the stadium

1:22:20

in 32 seconds

1:22:23

and there's millions of

1:22:25

women that look just like this one and

1:22:28

they usher your seat.

1:22:29

Rolling grass is really small, really

1:22:32

small. Really? Every seat is great. You can't

1:22:34

believe how small it is and you're right

1:22:36

there. It's the most, you know what it

1:22:39

is? I don't

1:22:39

know if it's the best sports thing, but it is by far

1:22:41

the most civilized,

1:22:43

not even close.

1:22:44

And it sounds like the most intimate.

1:22:46

Yeah, for sure.

1:22:48

It's the most intimate for sure. The most civilized.

1:22:52

We are trying to promote the sexiest

1:22:54

sporting event we can. And it is very,

1:22:56

very relaxed and very gracious. It's

1:22:59

a gracious sport. Tennis is a gracious sport.

1:23:01

Don't you think?

1:23:03

Very, very gracious and very sexy.

1:23:06

Anyway, but this is what we need to do. We need to be talking

1:23:08

about this and then making it happen. Let's get it.

1:23:10

Okay. I'm going to, I'm going to put it together and then I'm going

1:23:12

to call you. All right. Call me. All right. I love you, bro. This

1:23:14

is so fun. It's

1:23:15

you, pal. Do let me know when you're coming

1:23:18

east and we'll do it. Yeah,

1:23:20

I will. Definitely. Okay. That

1:23:28

was, I could, I could, I didn't get to

1:23:30

any of my questions. I have

1:23:33

a whole thing here just because he's

1:23:35

so,

1:23:36

he's just the best. I mean, that's why he's one of the

1:23:38

great podcast, you know, voices

1:23:40

around. And I

1:23:42

could have done another two hours, but thank you for your

1:23:45

patience because that was a long one, but it was a long one

1:23:47

for a reason because it was fucking

1:23:49

awesome. I will see you next week.

1:23:52

Hey, listen, it's time to get back on the

1:23:54

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1:23:57

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1:23:59

to read them. I like the comments and it's

1:24:02

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1:24:05

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1:24:10

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1:24:19

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1:24:22

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1:24:28

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