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I'm thinking, you know, like what's going on? Like

0:04

this is insane? Like where are my

0:06

kids? On September

0:08

eighth, twenty fourteen, Troy Turner

0:10

came home to every parent's nightmare.

0:14

I noticed Jacob is not in here

0:16

his crib. So I look in Sarah's

0:18

She's not there. So I'm like, Okay, they're not there.

0:22

It's been nine years since Troy has set

0:24

eyes on three year old Sarah and two year

0:26

old Jacob. The State of Maryland

0:28

has charged their mother, Katherine Hoggle,

0:31

with their murders. She was

0:34

in a very small room. She

0:36

was in a plastic

0:39

smock because the

0:41

police had taken her clothing. It

0:43

was obvious to me that there

0:45

were profound mental health

0:48

issues. But despite

0:50

signs that Catherine Hoggle took her tiny

0:52

children one by one into the night,

0:55

never to come home again, she has yet

0:57

to stand trial. At

0:59

the believe that part of this is a revenge

1:02

thing, and part of it is

1:04

just her not wanting the

1:06

responsibility of being a mother. At that point, Katherine

1:09

Hoggle has not faced the state's evidence

1:11

against her because soon after her children

1:13

went missing, she was declared incompetent

1:16

to stand trial. Incompetence,

1:18

it means that they can't make the

1:21

various decisions necessary to

1:24

assist in their defense, or that they understand

1:26

what's going on in courtant we

1:28

don't try those people for any

1:31

crime because they can't defend

1:33

themselves. Today, Catherine

1:35

Hoggle calls Clifton T. Perkins, a psychiatric

1:38

hospital in Maryland home doctors,

1:40

says she's unable to assist with her defense,

1:45

but questions persist about exactly

1:47

what Catherine's capable of and

1:50

what accountability might look like. We

1:53

have a blueprint to get away with murder in the state

1:55

of Maryland at this point. In

1:57

Maryland, if a defendant is found incompetent

2:00

and can't be restored to competency, their

2:02

felony charges are dismissed after five

2:04

years. So, as the clock counts

2:06

down, Catherine's charges on the verge

2:08

of being dismissed. What does

2:11

justice look like in this case? We

2:13

come from this very puritan kind

2:16

of heritage in our culture, and we're very

2:18

punitive. It very

2:20

quickly became she's got mental

2:22

illness. You know, she probably harmed them.

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I said, something's wrong here. You know, whenever

2:37

a woman is allowed to kill my two kids,