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to Mysterious Universe, season 31 episode 10. Coming

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up on this show we've got nature

1:00

and nurture versus the species field, the

1:03

new American surveillance state and

1:05

parrot disaster early warning systems.

1:08

I mean, host of Benjamin Grundy joining me is Aaron Wright.

1:12

What is that? Is that

1:14

a parrot going like, asteroid, asteroid?

1:17

No, not quite. I mean, you're on the path there.

1:19

I suppose if an asteroid was heading towards you that

1:21

that would assist you in that circumstance. But no, this

1:24

actually relates back to the

1:26

work of Dr Rupert Schildrake, who is a

1:28

truly fascinating individual. And we know his work

1:30

quite well. One of the books that he's

1:32

published that we've covered many years ago is

1:34

I believe was called Dogs That Know When Their

1:37

Owners Are Coming Home. It was

1:39

fully updated and revised back in 2015, I believe.

1:42

Are any of the dogs from the original book

1:44

still alive today? Oh, that's can we

1:46

do it? Where are they now? You know what? I

1:49

was all I was actually quite sad because I saw on his website.

1:51

So if you go to schildrake.org, but of course, I'll link to that

1:53

in the show notes so you can check it out for yourself. There's

1:56

this section right on end of life experiences. And

1:58

of course, like end of life experiences. It is

2:00

your we probably personnel you with a sort of dumb.

2:02

But. No, the animals, right? Eight

2:05

gotta an article about animals that

2:07

experience terminal lucidity. If you

2:10

recall, terminal lucidity is when you know

2:12

someone is I is extremely. I

2:15

guess disabled or suffering from dementia and at the

2:17

does not the same person more and right before

2:19

the moment of death with the now as they

2:21

seemingly completely recover and be there all the normal

2:24

cells the get Iran so I could say goodbye

2:26

to the have as an animal heard with dogs

2:28

as I was reading through the paper that Sheldrake

2:30

had published super I can't read this of the

2:33

show was like it's full of dog or stories

2:35

I have your like how you do that on

2:37

the sir are because it's so sad. As

2:39

Assault or Oil it's story after story

2:41

of people that have had their dogs

2:43

for fifteen twenty years. and in the

2:45

dog. I can't bear to take it

2:48

to the Vertigo to to take it

2:50

to end. It's like pulling your animal

2:52

all adults is like a homeowner's I

2:54

let let me get this straight, you

2:56

can do a thousand episodes on people

2:58

dying. People. On their

3:00

deathbeds. But. You can't do want

3:02

about a dog. People like garbage. You.

3:05

Know right? You know I'm right. I think

3:07

that at all these dumb other dogs Gabi.a

3:09

there are facing but not all sort of

3:11

some people have with is so adorable they

3:13

ah they are and your that a whole

3:16

argument is all have worked if you go

3:18

to Paris.his dad bought a parent now as

3:20

well as a dog owner and I could

3:22

tell you it's incredible. The. Top of the

3:24

in all seriousness though that for it is really

3:26

sad like people do get attached that dog is

3:28

a d the just story after story of people

3:30

guy or the dog suddenly came back to being

3:32

normal. other type of think about all of us

3:34

have a.the front yard. Effect

3:38

this of this a while.

3:41

and emotional heartstrings ah just caught although

3:43

speaking of being a parent or had

3:45

a really remarkably uncanny experiences week with

3:47

my with my oldest son and that's

3:49

what is going to be up the

3:51

kind of ticking off the theme of

3:53

the show the ties in with the

3:55

morphic fields and and residents in this

3:57

kind of stuff it's at the released

4:00

strange kind of coincidence that it just so

4:02

happens that Rupert Schildarek who has his own

4:04

YouTube channel, he put up a

4:06

post this week just four days ago

4:08

talking about pre-sentiment. Pre-sentiment

4:10

is this thing which it seems that there must

4:13

be some type of hidden ability that

4:15

people have to pick up on events

4:17

that are about to take place, things that are about

4:19

to occur. Dean Radin has explored

4:21

this in great depth. In fact, Ben, if you

4:24

bring up image number one for me, I can

4:26

show you this great study that you're probably familiar

4:28

with. Is that the one you're

4:30

thinking of? That's the one. Yeah, just bring that up. So

4:32

if you look at this study, so what he did is

4:34

he got a bunch of people and participants and put them

4:36

into a scientific study environment, a controlled environment, and

4:39

that top image in the graph there,

4:41

that's emotional images. So what they did,

4:43

they sat people down in front of

4:45

computers and they showed them images. There

4:47

was flowers and puppies and all wonderful

4:49

things. And every now and again, there

4:51

would be a hardcore porn image that

4:53

would pop up. And so if

4:55

you're looking at this graph at the moment, even

4:58

if you're not, it's on time, right? So what

5:00

this… So the x-axis is samples

5:02

per five seconds and the y is

5:04

the change in electrodermal activity, the brain

5:06

activity. Not brain activity, your skin activity.

5:08

Sure. So it's basically… Oh,

5:10

so the sweat response. The sweat response apparently is

5:12

highly reliable and it's pretty much like a lie

5:15

detector test, even though lie detector tests aren't admissible,

5:17

but apparently it's quite sensitive. And so as you

5:19

can see in this image here, it's

5:21

split up into three separate areas. You've got

5:24

before the image is shown, during the image

5:26

being seen and after the image being seen.

5:28

Now, of course, after the image

5:30

being seen, that would make sense that it's quite

5:32

high, like your emotive reaction is quite high and

5:34

then it tapers on because you've just seen this

5:37

emotive image regardless of what it is and it's caused

5:39

you to have a skin reaction. What

5:41

was really strange in this study is that

5:43

you can see that in the before session,

5:45

before the image even comes up, in

5:48

comparison to calm images, so there's a bunch

5:50

of puppies and flowers, you get no

5:52

response. But before you're

5:54

shown a provocative image, you actually have

5:57

a response? Yeah, so it's… It's

5:59

like your body… The you know where he wasn't

6:01

sheldrake. the start of this kind of experiment

6:03

in right and ah sorry yeah right And

6:05

yeah yes. When the argument that it's are

6:07

present a month and you're actually perceiving your

6:09

body is responding to the image before you

6:11

actually see it, that's why is this some

6:13

kind of far present of it as a

6:15

as a psychic response? Yet there's something going

6:17

on in some way and it's really strange

6:19

because it drops down during and then it

6:21

skyrockets back up afterwards and so we really

6:23

can't explain what's going on here. Of course

6:25

people like the right in and rebut Sheldrake

6:27

and I suggest that there is some i'm

6:29

force. Sealed energy something like that which

6:31

isn't recognized by modern science which has

6:34

been able to pick up on exactly

6:36

what's going on here of course, himself,

6:38

pass or any number of of fascinating

6:40

explorations as to what this could be

6:42

in morphic fields place it is pot

6:44

like when memory sets, of course, Rip

6:46

Sheldrake As a person who certainly doesn't

6:48

believe in the concept of the brain

6:50

being the generator of consciousness, but rather

6:52

being the receiver. Of of Consciousness

6:54

and that's possibly why people are having

6:57

these experiences like this example is because.

6:59

Somehow. That picking it up from

7:01

his field somewhere this dysmorphic field of this

7:04

all of history all of knowledge everything else

7:06

is contained within these bills that with that

7:08

recognized and indeed him himself if you bring

7:10

up image to their been this is a

7:13

study that heat dissipation himself while he was

7:15

subjected to something very similar. Esoteric.

7:17

Points out that he liked it. You can

7:20

see on this very similar scale here where

7:22

his son humid rotten the center they almost

7:24

he shiny image and dump he talks about

7:26

of violent images. The he was actually shown

7:28

com images which is the blue line which

7:30

is just completely normal as you'd expect him

7:32

shown a violent images. Which. Strangely enough,

7:34

seem to follow the line of com in that

7:36

is that He says I'm a biologist. Have.

7:38

Done to sections, I've dealt with a

7:41

pretty gruesome. things that didn't. The

7:43

motor response in him. However, When

7:45

he was shown erotic images, pornography,

7:48

Did exactly the same thing as in the Dean

7:50

Radin experiment. He. Actually had a ah

7:52

a response to it. Before.

7:54

He saw the image. But. again it's important

7:56

he because he doesn't know when the images

7:58

gonna pop up it comes completely randomised and

8:01

yet every single time as

8:03

shown by this graph, he had

8:05

a response before the image was seen. Like you

8:07

never know when a horrific image might suddenly show

8:09

up on the screen. It could happen at any

8:12

moment. It's kind of horrific.

8:14

I knew something was coming because I could

8:16

see you typing over there. Oh my god.

8:19

Oh my god. Can you zoom out? Don't

8:24

worry everyone, it's just a, it's a loaf of

8:26

banana bread. Don't worry. So

8:29

what we're going to be going into on this show is

8:31

not banana bread. That would be a good

8:34

idea for a study though. Like you get images that

8:36

you think are, you know,

8:38

something horribly pornographic, but it's really just

8:41

an old roast beef sandwich. And

8:44

then you detect the galvanic response because

8:46

that would prove whether it like the

8:48

body knows that it's not a real

8:50

pornographic image. It is just some kind

8:52

of horrible banana bread close up. You

8:55

raise a good point there because it seems to

8:57

be that it's not even the image. It's actually

8:59

our reaction to that image, which seems to be

9:01

what we're the pre-state image. You

9:04

probably still would get a reaction. You would still get a reaction.

9:06

Yeah. There'd be some type of

9:08

response that we keep. So I wonder how many people are

9:10

just feeling slightly anxious? No one. No, no, no. Before

9:13

you put that image up, because it just spiked

9:15

right before it came up. And as soon as

9:17

everyone sees that, it's horrifying. So that's what we're

9:19

going to be going into. But before we do

9:21

that, what have you got coming up in the

9:23

Plus show? Oh, I found this fantastic new work.

9:25

It came out in late February. It's by Byron

9:27

Tao, who is an investigative journalist for the Wall

9:29

Street Journal. Can you bring it up on the

9:31

page here? Yeah. It's

9:34

a means of control how the hidden

9:36

alliance of tech and government is creating

9:38

a new American surveillance state. Oh, that's

9:40

uncomfortable. And with the mention

9:43

of TikTok being in the news

9:45

and the potential forced

9:47

divestment from the Chinese

9:49

stakeholders in the company, or even the banning of

9:52

the app, which I don't think is going to

9:54

happen. But it's interesting to talk

9:56

about this New

9:58

Surveillance state. That he's

10:00

discussing and towers spent five

10:03

years uncovering this. And

10:05

of course we know about Prism for

10:07

example from Snowden Snowden of came out

10:09

and Twenty Thirteen exposing the and essays

10:12

avast collection of better on American citizens

10:14

and other people around the world that

10:16

checking your phone calls like a crazy

10:18

ex girlfriend. Also don't know why that

10:20

would do it is they would ah

10:23

in a sabotage networks they had backdoors

10:25

into software they were able to hoover

10:27

a vast amounts of died almost like

10:29

tap the old tapping into the phone

10:31

lines idea. No one cares, no one

10:34

did anything about it. No one cared.

10:36

everyone to signs away on its hands.

10:38

the condition, well, whatever. That. Might

10:40

be true for the average consumer. You know that

10:42

think how does that affect me but they were

10:44

great changes in the tech industry. The followed that

10:46

gleick. Ah. The. Encryption as

10:49

a feature became a huge thing

10:51

you saw Apple for example, rolling

10:53

and encryption in I messages and

10:55

other apps followed Dice encryption became

10:57

a a feature for these applications

10:59

and it became more difficult for

11:02

the An Essay and other agencies

11:04

to use the all the methods

11:06

of gathering data for intelligence and

11:08

now what town has uncovered. Is.

11:11

An entirely. Separate.

11:13

Network to what Snowden described

11:16

in those initial Twenty Thirteen

11:18

and Twenty Fourteen data dumps.

11:20

Another one. There's an entirely

11:22

separate system, and this is

11:25

perhaps. More.

11:27

Dangerous. more powerful than anything we've ever

11:29

seen before. Oh. My. God. And for

11:31

example, like one example I'll discuss coming

11:33

up in the plus extension is with

11:36

this new system. They

11:38

can locate. With. Vladimir

11:40

Putin is, for example. At

11:42

any time I want. A precise.

11:45

Location How are you might think an apostle? How

11:47

would you know where the leader of a state

11:49

is? Well you'd be might think I would have

11:51

got. Satellite. saw that

11:53

got some kind of advance spy plane

11:56

or a i think that allied imagery

11:58

with like really sophisticated camera technology or

12:00

something more exciting like they've got a double

12:03

agent that's you know close to Putin's in

12:05

a circle you might think something like that.

12:08

No. Is this him checking Twitter?

12:10

Is this weapon you're on the right

12:12

track obviously it's got to do with with

12:14

apps and data but this weapon can

12:18

identify yeah anyone

12:20

within his entourage and that basically tells

12:22

you where Putin is to the point

12:24

where like there's an example I'll share

12:27

later where a nuclear submarine

12:30

commander a Russian nuclear submarine commander

12:32

was assassinated using this weapon. Oh

12:35

didn't they only recently kill who was the

12:37

the head of some terrorist group it was

12:39

right at the end of Trump's presidency and

12:42

I'm wondering is that did they use the same type of technology

12:44

for that what was his name? It's

12:46

been something or oh. Grundy? That

12:48

wasn't Ben Grundy. Resentiment?

12:51

No no no it was I can't remember

12:53

the name his name but yeah I mean

12:55

that was a that was a big issue.

12:58

Yeah this will blow you away because he

13:00

goes through the history and obviously DARP is

13:02

involved the CIA funding is involved but ultimately

13:04

how this system works how this

13:06

surveillance system functions it

13:09

is it's totally

13:11

out in the open but they

13:14

the intelligence agencies don't want you to know about

13:16

it. That's hiding in plain sight. Big tech doesn't

13:18

want you to know about it and

13:20

certainly the CCP and other

13:22

foreign adversaries don't want you to know about it.

13:24

So hang on but you would think that an

13:27

enemy state would want to expose something like are

13:29

they using their own version it's because they're all

13:31

using it. They're all in on us. They're all

13:33

using it. That's the thing like this this modern

13:35

world we're in where we're seeing like they're trying

13:37

to push these wars and all this stuff I'm

13:40

sorry at some level they're all in on it

13:42

it's the elites or whoever they are against the

13:44

rest of us that's exactly what is going on.

13:46

It's not even like the opening chapter is is

13:48

pretty interesting it's it's the moment that the US

13:51

government realized it had a grinder problem

13:54

you know the app yeah and

13:56

it basically goes from there. Bunch

14:00

of senators were using Grindr or something?

14:02

Many in the US government were

14:05

are on Grindr and who owns Grindr?

14:08

Who controls Grindr, Aaron? Take

14:11

a wild guess. Is

14:15

it Israel or China? I

14:19

like how I'm not trying to be for fucking,

14:21

I'm just genuinely questioning. I like how hesitant you

14:24

are to say Israel. He's like, oh

14:26

boy. Wow. I

14:29

don't want to get involved with that. I'm not

14:31

going there. You'll have to say China. You'll

14:34

say China in two seconds. Like, yeah, CCP.

14:37

China. But the other one, you're

14:39

like, oh, I don't know if I

14:41

wanted to mention it. But then.

14:44

It's China. It's the CCP. The

14:47

CCP. It's a Chinese control.

14:49

Is it really? CCP controls Grindr. Wow.

14:51

And so obviously it was a bit

14:53

of a worry that so many within

14:55

the US government were using Grindr. And

14:57

I'll get into how this

15:00

expands out into this. I thought it

15:02

was just used by James O'Keefe to

15:04

get bad dates. I got it realized.

15:06

Well, isn't that an interesting indicator that

15:08

so many of those expositions from the

15:10

old project Veritas, they were gay

15:12

dates. They were gay dates. Yep. So

15:15

because of a lot of the types of

15:17

stereotypes, be damned gay men are bitches

15:19

and they love to go and bitch and

15:21

carry on and show off about how

15:23

powerful they are. That's been well understood in

15:25

intelligence circles for a long time. Really?

15:27

It's always been said, you know, be careful

15:30

having gays and lesbians

15:32

in the intelligence services because, well, it's

15:34

quite obvious when you think about it.

15:36

It's a leverage point. Yeah, that's

15:39

exactly right. Especially if they're not out,

15:41

if they're closeted, that's a huge leverage

15:43

point and your adversaries will use that.

15:46

Wasn't there? I mean, this is back in the 90s,

15:48

But I think there was a Republican senator and there's

15:50

that old joke that's always Republican senators, right? But There

15:52

was a Republican senator that was closeted and obviously had

15:54

a full on family and everything, but at the same

15:57

time was screwing around with men in the background. But

15:59

He was like. It was some have

16:01

by the Chinese. Are. At I

16:03

target look at up Hell I believe that

16:05

the Chinese some adversary but I basically blackmailed

16:07

him. Some. Gonna Die Are.

16:11

Not fair that a photographer at all as

16:14

the that's coming over block a Fantastic. I'm

16:16

looking forward to getting to that will and

16:18

let's just jump into the so and. So.

16:20

This is a weird thing. I think we've all experienced this

16:23

or at some level, right? And a few the things

16:25

that we talk about on the show will actually become. Probably.

16:28

Would have a clearer art the first

16:30

one is. Like why.

16:32

Is it that when we have some top a

16:34

significant scientific discovery. Like. The development of

16:36

a new technology or on top

16:38

of your a groundbreaking breakthrough. But.

16:40

It seems like won't being discovered in one part of

16:43

the world. The. Same discovery pops up

16:45

in a completely unconnected way at another lab

16:47

somewhere else. Like it's like everyone thinks not

16:49

the same time, like these discoveries all happen

16:51

at the same time. And that's true of

16:54

all all the major discoveries in history way

16:56

you look at the whether it's Isaac Newton

16:58

north ah like about an understandable the guy

17:00

that invented television or whatever it is the

17:02

integrated circuit A with whatever it is, there's

17:05

one guy in the history books who was

17:07

the first yet look into it and those

17:09

like ten other people in different parts of

17:11

the world the would just on the cusp

17:13

of finding. It out as well, making the discover

17:16

as well the same time. The. Answer

17:18

may lie and morphic feals, Species Morphic

17:20

fields. And so if you're not aware

17:22

of what a morphic feel, these a

17:24

morphic field is This at sounds very

17:26

arm. Ephemeral and in in in

17:28

a sense that it is right because it's

17:30

obviously not recognized by mainstream conventional size that

17:32

when you talking about someone like Rupert Sheldrake

17:34

who is in himself a scientist or but

17:36

he's a seemingly of from some of the

17:39

stuff that I've read and listen to from

17:41

him over the he's was kind of disillusioned

17:43

with miss mainstream materials science A western science

17:45

very early on in his career. in the

17:47

come on, the guy was doing lectures with

17:49

i think Terence Mckenna back in the nineties,

17:51

so now he's already on the fringe anyway.

17:54

A bet with leading our institutions know Oxford,

17:56

Cambridge. all these. Locations that he's dealt

17:58

with, And. But he looks. He's

18:00

a revolutionary in the sense that he really does

18:02

think outside the box. I. Think Obviously

18:05

that's very healthy, especially in the scientific

18:07

field. But what he quickly realized is

18:09

that there is some type of force

18:11

which explains why certain things happen the

18:14

way they happen. And basically it comes

18:16

down to these two warring. Elements.

18:19

In the universe is his interaction

18:21

between ah, Things. That

18:23

a repeatable habit of actual

18:25

events. And creativity. And

18:28

this could explain things like white twins like as

18:30

are going to some of these stories of why

18:32

twins that a separated at birth but there you

18:35

know they're twins that are of the same egg

18:37

and I'll go through life and I'll have Flag

18:39

at the same name of their wives and of

18:41

nine their kids the same and a duty strength

18:43

I wrote twins would have been separated yeah discover

18:46

that and after their it's like really with like

18:48

why and of course the answer in the past

18:50

as we will they must be some genetic reason

18:52

for the must be some type of reason because

18:54

genetics and we see is the the Golden Standard

18:57

controls everything. I'm but even. He points out

18:59

one of his license, which a link to

19:01

that and back in the seventies. if you

19:03

disgust epigenetics, what the idea of jeans turning

19:05

on other genes in that kind of stuff

19:08

that was Literacy Rate of interest? It's heresy

19:10

to describe that, I'm but what he's describing

19:12

is even beyond that. Even though epigenetic epigenetics

19:14

is becoming more readily accepted these days, But.

19:17

It plays into some more of the

19:19

more unusual things. the supernatural things that

19:21

we describe telepathy and obviously dogs at

19:23

know when the owners are coming home.

19:25

These unseen communications connections between people that

19:27

all have some type of medium and

19:29

that medium must be these seemingly seems

19:31

to be seals. So this

19:33

experience it also relates to. It's

19:36

strange because it's like layers of it. So.

19:38

You can have a species field seek

19:40

have a species that one like a

19:42

group of like Bad Rap for example

19:44

will learn something. and then it's

19:46

seemingly after that rats all around the world and

19:49

labs will learn exactly the same thing without having

19:51

any exposure to it whatsoever wasn't the old example

19:53

of this called the hundreds monkey effects were ah

19:55

monkeys on the islands want to do a particular

19:57

thing well and then all the other monkeys figured

19:59

it out. I don't think Schaldrach has ever mentioned

20:02

that. That stuff has come. I could be wrong,

20:04

but I don't recall him being… I have heard

20:06

that before, but I don't think he really goes

20:08

in. This is a little bit more complex than

20:10

that. It seems to be that this has been

20:13

scientifically observed in many locations, which

20:15

suggests that there is some type of field. But then you

20:17

can have… If you've got a problem right in your family

20:19

and you're like, why does my family keep

20:21

behaving this way? And we've all got the black sheep

20:23

in our family. We've always got something going on. It

20:26

actually could be to do with your family

20:28

morphic field of things that have happened

20:30

in the past, which are formed by habit, which repeat

20:32

in the future as well and happen around you, which

20:35

I'll go into in a moment. But

20:37

what happened for me is that my family has

20:39

had this long history, which I've not always been

20:41

comfortable with, of having some type of weird

20:45

pre-sentiment, if you can call it that. We used

20:47

to call it Wudger. That was when someone was

20:49

going to call. You'd think about someone or something

20:52

would happen. You knew when something

20:54

bad had happened. I'd

20:56

always put it outside and very much followed the

20:58

hard-core line of science, which is a foolish thing

21:00

to do, very foolish there. I've come around from

21:02

it now. But my

21:04

son, my eldest son, who's five years old now… Totally

21:07

psychic. Well, not psychic, but he's just

21:09

displaying all these strange attributes that are consistent with

21:11

that, like what other family members have. I'm just

21:14

like, what on earth is going on here? I

21:16

had a great example. It was for breakfast the

21:18

other morning. He just yelled out my password to

21:20

my computer. I'm like, how? He

21:22

just yelled it out. How long is your password? Long.

21:25

Is it a bunch of words? It was, yes.

21:27

Sorry, it wasn't for my computer. It was my

21:30

phone. It's like a phrase. It was a

21:32

phrase, right? I use it for my phone because I'm paranoid

21:34

about it. Does it start with a capital when it's got

21:36

any numbers in it? All that. Give

21:38

us an idea of what the… So it's like

21:40

12 characters long, at least. And

21:42

he yelled out at least the hit… It was like a term.

21:44

He yelled out the term at breakfast. It's

21:49

a term that you would never use. It's

21:51

gibberish, really. And he just yells it out. Is it

21:54

like a racial epithet that usually scream out in the

21:56

house and he just picked it up from that? No,

21:58

I've never said these words. These are words. that I have

22:00

never said, right? And so I turned

22:02

to him, I looked at him because I was quite shocked because you know what I was

22:04

doing? I was trying to log into my phone

22:07

and because it's so long, I was like, I keep on like

22:09

stuffing it up and I was like, oh, I was frustrated. And

22:11

he just yelled it out. He said he picked it out of

22:13

your head. With Outlook, he was on the other side of the

22:15

room and this kid picked it out.

22:17

I said, what are you doing? Where did that come from?

22:19

And his response was, I don't know. It's

22:21

just like this blatant, I don't know, right? And

22:23

there's been other things like things that have happened over the years,

22:25

but he's getting old and out so the stuff is starting to

22:27

come through. And all of it

22:30

is kind of irrelevant except for the fact that

22:32

on the weekend, I had this really uncanny

22:34

experience in that months

22:36

ago, months and months and months ago, I

22:39

had this really strange dream that he was

22:42

pricked by a needle at school. And

22:44

I thought, and obviously that's a terrifying aspect

22:46

to think that something like that could happen.

22:49

And I thought, well, maybe it's because the area that we live

22:51

in, we live in a nice part of town except for the

22:53

fact that there is with Australia's

22:55

cost of living crisis and all this kind of stuff.

22:57

There are homeless people that have moved in down at

22:59

this kind of creek and the neighbours were recently talking

23:02

about seeing syringes down there. You have a hobo creek

23:04

near your house. Yeah, right there, from us. Yeah. And

23:06

it's just full of druggies. And so I thought maybe that's

23:09

been on my mind. And we don't go there anymore. Like

23:11

we used to go there because there was like playground equipment,

23:13

but we don't go there anymore. And that's

23:15

what I thought the dream was. I was like, oh,

23:18

it must be that. I've somehow incorporated this into my

23:20

head until on the weekend, last Saturday afternoon, my

23:22

son starts telling me about how he was at

23:24

school and this kid stood on a needle.

23:27

And I'm just like, oh, wow. I'm like, what?

23:30

Like, what the hell is going on? He hasn't told me anything

23:32

about this. I'm like, no, no, tell me. And

23:34

because he's a five year old and he's confused, right? He's

23:36

like, oh, you know what happened at the bikes? And I'm

23:38

just like, oh my God, like, what's this school doing? So

23:40

here I was like, ready to like go and

23:42

get him checked and then have to call the school. It

23:45

happens that this poor kid stepped on it somewhere else.

23:47

Like, but it was just he was telling him about

23:49

it at the at the bikes. But I'm like, that's

23:52

strange. Like the fact that that is

23:54

like, did I pick up on the

23:56

emotion Of my son telling me about

23:58

this and then me reacting? Into it was that

24:01

somehow in a dream what's the time difference between

24:03

the event and the drain? Months, months, months is

24:05

that I had this. But it was. so. it

24:07

was such a strong dream that I stay with

24:09

me. That's why whenever we've covered the topic of

24:12

presentment and. Getting. This feature information

24:14

from dreams. The advocates of it have

24:16

always said. You've. Gotta have a

24:18

dream? Dark? Yes. Especially when we've

24:20

covered stories of people that have.

24:23

Cultivated Disability where they can gather

24:25

this information from dream Sometimes useful

24:27

information from the future. They

24:29

often say that. They. Never would

24:32

have made the match if I didn't have the

24:34

dream die because often the present moment and but

24:36

the distance between the present, him and and the

24:38

actual event can sometimes be eased. Yes for like

24:40

a small thing. yeah like what you're saying or

24:43

is it a real danger situation but it's a

24:45

small things more thing yeah exactly. And it wasn't

24:47

exactly the way I saw it either, right thought

24:49

had to stream of his him with my son

24:52

but it wasn't it was some other poor kid.

24:54

Yeah he's fine but I which is really good

24:56

but it's like us or horrible thing to do

24:58

a tough on but they are. Thing was is

25:00

that Rupert Sheldrake. This week in his video

25:02

and pre sentiment he put up something very

25:05

similar so he describes a book coming out.

25:07

This book is by J W Down and

25:09

it's it's say our experiment with Time. He

25:11

was this, ah former. British. Aeronautical

25:13

Engineer. He was deployed to South Africa with

25:15

the army and when he was down in

25:17

South Africa with the army started having these.

25:20

Strange. Dreams where he knows the following

25:22

day as quite rapid. The following day he

25:24

was able to get the stage as who

25:26

experiences like I did. I'd train that Yes,

25:29

he started to think that he was having

25:31

some type of i'm part of weed false

25:33

memory syndrome. That is like all I saw.

25:35

this price. I. Thought I dreamt it

25:37

but I'm obviously they realize that that's not

25:39

the case Like this, these old copy false

25:42

memory that happened more and more often. So

25:44

what he saw to do was keep a

25:46

dream journal. So. He was one of the

25:48

earliest proponents of this i'm Taping This Dream

25:50

journal and doing so, he sought to very

25:52

rapidly realize that he was having pre cognitive

25:54

present He and dreams. That. Were showing

25:56

him the reality, the nature of reality

25:58

around him. So. the show drag are

26:01

points out the he'll say this is that

26:03

you probably won't believe him unless you do

26:05

it for yourself. So. We did take

26:07

a listen to what Rupert did when he started.reporting

26:09

it so you got a bunch of videos like

26:11

you know, How many? Ten

26:13

hundred? Assault. The phone number. Number

26:16

one. Yep, number one place. In. His

26:18

book. He tells you that you

26:20

I believe him unless you try

26:22

it yourself. And so I

26:24

tried it myself, writing my

26:27

dreams done, and sure enough,

26:29

I soon experience things that.

26:31

Have haven't yet happened. A long

26:33

dream for example. I dreamt that

26:36

I was in a room with

26:38

a number of friends and there

26:40

was somebody came into the room

26:42

with a needle and was going

26:44

around the room trying to inject

26:46

people have nice find it very

26:49

sinister and it was a disturbing

26:51

cream and and a i interpreted

26:53

it as trying to inject people

26:55

with heroin or something like that.

26:59

To. See those those her eyes

27:01

and friend's birthday party in

27:03

South London and. What

27:06

was happening with so suddenly emitters

27:08

apart if someone came in with

27:10

an ear piercing device which had

27:12

a shiny needle on it and

27:14

went round the room offering to.

27:17

Pass. People's ears. Well, I hadn't

27:19

front exactly about any of Passing

27:21

of Ice, But as John Donne

27:23

says, what you do is write

27:26

down as you impressions and division

27:28

impression was fun of somebody's coming

27:30

in with a needle trying to

27:32

piss people and that's what happened.

27:34

Narrative is an incredible day. I

27:36

mean even someone like Rupert Sheldrake

27:39

who even though he's talking about.

27:41

How. He's involved in this kind of stuff. He's

27:44

having these sorts of experience is like he

27:46

wasn't necessarily a believer, but he's writing it

27:48

down and then days later he has his

27:50

experience. and again, like he points out there,

27:52

that it's about the impression that even though

27:55

the dream wasn't exactly. What? took place

27:57

the core elements of that are exactly the

27:59

same and I wonder if it's the same kind

28:01

of thing. Is it that his dream was pre-sentiment of

28:03

the shock that he would have of seeing the needle

28:05

or was it pre-sentiment of the shock that he would

28:08

have a guy, oh my God, I've just dreamed this.

28:10

And it seems like it's one of those atrophied abilities

28:12

that we all have. And by starting the dream journal,

28:16

you might, it might be like working a muscle.

28:19

You're totally right. Because you're

28:21

applying thought and energy to that ability.

28:24

Yep. I think you're- It probably

28:26

emerges after you start taking the diary. I've

28:28

tried doing it over the years. Like I get a dream

28:30

journal and I start, I'm going to do this. This is

28:32

going to be awesome. And then I get about

28:34

four nights in and then I

28:37

just stop caring. I just stop caring what

28:39

my dreams are about. They're never that interesting.

28:41

Or they're really embarrassing and I don't want

28:44

anyone to find to the diary after I've

28:46

died. You've done this before. What's going

28:48

on in your dreams? Yeah, that was the last time

28:50

I started one. That was the last dream I

28:52

wrote down. Did your wife read it? No, no one read

28:54

it. I torched it. It was- I

28:57

don't want anyone to ever find it. It was just

28:59

the grossest dream ever. I don't want

29:01

anyone to know about it. I don't want to talk about

29:03

it and I don't want to mention it again. So that's

29:05

the last time I ever did a dream journal. Oh,

29:08

well, okay. We'll skip

29:10

over that one. But basically,

29:13

Sheldrake uses this as a jumping point to

29:15

describe some of his theories about what is

29:17

occurring here. This pre-sentiment, if it's some type

29:19

of access to information which

29:22

is always present but we just, unlike you

29:24

rightly pointed out Ben, that we've atrophied in

29:26

our ability to access it. But

29:28

some people spontaneously do, but

29:30

other people can train these abilities but even

29:33

do it in an unwitting way. And a

29:35

really great example is that he did a

29:37

study into people that wake

29:40

up right before their alarm goes off. This

29:42

is apparently very common. I do that all

29:44

the time. Really? Because I

29:46

never set an alarm. I just wake up when I wake up. Yeah. When

29:49

I do need to set an alarm? Yep. I

29:51

never wake up to the alarm. It's

29:53

always without fail, five to ten minutes

29:56

before the alarm goes off. And it's so

29:58

annoying. Well it is annoying. Ah yes. has

30:00

done studies into this. He's done online surveys, which is

30:02

not entirely scientific, but it's just trying to get a

30:04

feel for what's going on. And he says, the last

30:06

time he did one of these, asking people these questions,

30:08

it was like 80% of the time people

30:11

have had the, 80% of the participants have had

30:13

this experience. That must be so common. I've never had

30:15

it. You never had that? I've never had that. I've

30:17

never woken up before an alarm. I've slept through a

30:20

whole heap of alarms, but I've never woken up before

30:22

an alarm. Yeah, you do sleep through a lot of

30:24

alarms. I do. I can have alarms going off. Yeah,

30:26

okay. I'll meet you at the office at 9am. Yep,

30:28

I'll be there. No worries. I was jet lagged. Jet

30:30

to 11am. I had a gutful

30:32

of egg sluts and I was jet lagged, all right?

30:35

Come on. So with these experiences

30:37

though, he asked the next question is because you

30:39

can go, well, look, this is routine. The

30:42

idea which is put forward is that we've got

30:44

this internal biological clock. That's

30:47

what I think it is. No. He's like, it's not that at all. What's

30:50

really fascinating about that is in the actual studies

30:52

that have been conducted. And it's difficult to conduct

30:54

these studies because first of all,

30:58

that's almost like the control. The second layer

31:00

of this is that, well, he's

31:02

tested people that have gone to locations where it's

31:04

an unusual alarm. So whether in a completely different

31:06

location, they're on holidays and they've got to get

31:09

up for a flight or something like that, these

31:12

are times that are randomized. And

31:14

yet people still, 60 something percent of the time will

31:16

wake up before that alarm. Like I said at a

31:18

certain point. Oh yeah, I'm the same. You're

31:21

the same. Yeah. Interesting. I'm

31:24

like, 8am, 5am. If

31:27

I have a nap in the afternoon, I want to

31:29

wake up. Isn't that weird? If I had a really

31:31

like late night, I want to have a nap in

31:33

the afternoon. I had to always wake up before the

31:35

alarm. I mean, obviously you've worked with me for a

31:37

long time, but have you ever worked shift work or

31:40

anything like that? No, interesting. Okay, because some people describe

31:42

that when they've had shift work, that seems to be

31:44

more common for some reason. It's the lamest supernormal ability

31:46

ever. Oh, it really is. But it becomes more intriguing

31:48

when you start looking at what could be behind it

31:51

because we do provide all these, you know, photoscientific answers.

31:53

Oh, it's the internal body clock. Oh,

31:55

it's routine. Oh, it's like, It's like

31:57

cows, for example, right? Apparently Cows. We

32:00

will that in a farm Cowboys yeah apparently cows know

32:02

what time it is about com are like that of

32:04

us and life and why would I guess is Barbara

32:06

not to spawn are also it's woman. That being said

32:08

right off this this pharmacies outlook on was the only

32:10

feed them in exactly the same time that because it

32:12

was a hobby farm and yeah people come out like

32:15

sometimes we have extra families of the come out the

32:17

caught them at at certain times of the cannot light

32:19

or come out earlier and so on. These weekends will

32:21

feed the cats at different times and the cows ever

32:23

look at this massive amount of land. And. How's

32:25

everyone sprawl or the displaced? The for whatever

32:27

reason the cows. A shot. like ten minutes

32:29

before the people were shot. None of this

32:31

sounds that amazing to me because life is

32:33

rhythm. Everything is rhythm, the universe runs. Or

32:35

there's a random times. That.

32:38

So it's when people show up at random times because

32:40

that been delayed. Whether there are things like kids' soccer?

32:42

What? I am an idiot. I should have listened to

32:44

your site and I you town is interested in it.

32:46

We're dry, it's It's really weird and this is just

32:49

an anecdote from afar telling you this. but this ties

32:51

into the Sheldrake stuff. Because Sheldrake points out he says

32:53

look, What? Happens is

32:55

is that people under Tories The Bad:

32:57

I consciously knowing what time is like

32:59

some people are okay but the reality

33:02

is if you distract someone as an

33:04

awesome what time it is. The.

33:06

Often will not know what time it is that would

33:08

be able to get maybe within the hour to but

33:10

I target right down to the month in this what's

33:12

happening with these dreams of people getting their own, not

33:14

trained and sorry but this awakening for the alarm clock,

33:16

the getting down to this very this precise time. So.

33:19

He says that this also happens

33:21

with our unexpected Alonso. Fire.

33:23

Alarms and on airplanes going

33:26

overhead know this concept. Earthquakes

33:28

occurring, They. Seem to know the

33:30

story of a fireman who describe what happened to

33:32

him to Sheldrake. The. Best way

33:34

to test of whether or

33:37

not waking the for alarms

33:39

presentment. Effect or

33:41

whether it's a biological clock

33:44

Effect is located. Unexpected allows

33:46

and I seem doing surveys

33:48

of people are asking whether

33:50

they've woken before Unexpected to

33:52

lows like the phone going

33:55

off or a light, a

33:57

fire alarm, or like some

33:59

other. alarm that's

34:02

going to wake them up. And

34:05

many people have, between 66 and 80% of my

34:07

respondents say

34:10

that they have woken before

34:12

unexpected alarms. And

34:14

one of the most interesting stories among

34:16

the stories I've collected came

34:19

from a fireman in the United States

34:21

who said that he and his colleagues

34:23

slept at the fire station waiting for

34:25

alarms. And he

34:27

got to the point where he

34:30

would just wake a minute

34:32

or two before an alarm went

34:34

off. And he'd already sat up

34:36

from his bed where he was

34:38

sleeping and got his boots on

34:40

when the alarm went off. And

34:42

those were quite unpredictable alarms. That's

34:45

a good idea. The fireman's a good example. It's

34:47

the ultimate randomized study because there's no way that

34:49

his biological clock can know when a fire is

34:51

going to start and the alarm is going to

34:53

be called in. There's just no way. So what's

34:56

occurring here? And that's a useful ability because you can get

34:58

up and get ready. That's what he does. Yeah, exactly. Before

35:00

the alarm goes off. Yeah, he's wide awake and this is

35:03

the thing. I mean, for me, maybe it's because of the

35:05

way I find it hard to wake up. In

35:07

some of these cases, it's not like you wake

35:09

up and you're kind of a little bit groggy.

35:11

No, people just are wide awake. They're wide awake

35:14

and they know that an alarm is about to

35:16

occur and it's really strange. Now, yeah, maybe

35:18

it is this lame supernormal ability which

35:21

sits out there. But for

35:23

some people, it can be quite advantageous. But the

35:25

thing is that if you don't have this ability,

35:27

if it has atrophied so much, you don't have

35:29

these experiences, the answer may lie

35:31

in the animals that are around you. And of course,

35:33

this forms part of what Shell Drake's work is like

35:35

with dogs that know when their owners are coming home.

35:38

And in that particular book and in those studies, what

35:40

really stood out very much like the cows was that

35:43

owners would come home at random times. Yes, of course,

35:45

owners would always come home at regular times. That's how

35:47

the dog would possibly work out that it was the

35:50

time to come home. But a lot of the times

35:52

would be if you left work early, if you got

35:54

caught in traffic, if the subway was delayed, things like

35:56

that, the animal would only act

35:58

up right before you came home. came home. There

36:00

was no rhythm or regularity to it. So

36:02

it suggests that this biological clock or the

36:04

dog being extremely smart, that's not the answer

36:06

to what's going on. There is something super

36:08

normal that's occurring. Yeah, it's not them hearing

36:10

the car coming or jingle of the keys

36:13

or the footsteps or anything. No,

36:15

it's something else. So Schaldrach highlights a couple

36:17

of experiments that have been conducted. One

36:19

is about rats that were

36:22

seen throughout Italy right

36:24

before a major earthquake. Just have a listen to this

36:26

one. In 1997, a

36:28

CC earthquake in Italy, I

36:30

had at the time an Italian research assistant

36:33

and within two days, she was in a

36:35

CC interviewing people like

36:38

the mayor and newspaper

36:41

reporters, restaurant proprietors,

36:43

zookeepers, vets, and

36:47

other people about unusual animal

36:49

behavior. Several days

36:51

before the CC earthquake, rats

36:54

came out of their holes and

36:56

were swarming over terraces of

36:58

restaurants, causing alarm

37:01

among people eating there. The restaurant proprietors

37:03

complained to the mayor about this. No

37:06

one knew why it had happened. And

37:09

then the earthquake struck. Unusual

37:12

howling of dogs in the night for

37:14

a night or two before this happened.

37:17

And other examples of unusual

37:19

animal behavior. In

37:23

the 1970s, the Chinese under

37:26

Chairman Mao had a project

37:28

for earthquake warnings by asking peasants

37:31

and workers to report unusual

37:33

animal behavior. And

37:35

as a result of it, they were

37:38

able to evacuate, sorry, evacuate entire cities

37:40

before devastating earthquakes struck.

37:42

These animal

37:45

warning systems, together with other traditional folklore

37:47

type wisdom about what might

37:53

happen, changes in well's unusual behavior. in

38:00

springs and so on together

38:02

gave earthquake warnings whereas

38:05

modern seismologists with all their

38:07

fancy apparatus can't do this.

38:10

Yeah the most fascinating thing about that is the

38:13

time before the actual event. Yes. You know

38:15

we've heard these stories a lot over the

38:17

years and you can sense you

38:19

can get the idea that animals

38:21

would detect perhaps vibrations in the

38:23

earth. There's some kind of subtle

38:25

movement or sound that we can't

38:27

detect but you wouldn't think it

38:29

would be days before. Days before. And

38:32

that's why I included that part of the audio

38:34

as well though about how the Chinese were looking

38:36

at this as well because there's like

38:38

that folklore and I know obviously with the Communists that

38:40

they cleared out you know all types of

38:42

traditional culture and all that kind of stuff but some of

38:44

it some of the folklore is obviously there

38:46

amongst the peasants and any highlights there is like

38:49

it's not just the way that the animals behave

38:51

it's like a change in a wellspring like there's

38:53

these old folks it's like almost again it's like

38:55

the ultimate science in the sense that it's observation.

38:58

It's like people have been observing for a very

39:00

long time things that occur and the results that

39:02

happen from those occurrences and so you tie it

39:04

all together and you actually do have a far

39:07

more sophisticated in a strange way system of detecting

39:09

earthquakes than we do with what we have with

39:11

modern seismology. So this is the parrot early warning

39:13

system that you are envisioning. It is. It is

39:15

the parrot one. I'll come back to the parrots

39:18

in a moment because these sorts of studies have

39:20

been out there for a long time. In fact

39:22

I've got a commentary here that Sheldrek actually published

39:25

back in The Ecologist in March of 2005 and I'll

39:28

link to this one in the show notes

39:30

so you can go and read the full thing for yourself. But

39:32

essentially he talks about a couple of examples that

39:35

he picked up over the years in relation to

39:37

that that devastating tsunami. It was it was truly

39:39

horrible. But he points at a couple of cases.

39:41

He said look in there

39:43

was a man who was the president

39:45

of the Sri Lankan Wildlife Conservation Society

39:48

And he reported that in one instance a friend

39:50

was living in the south of Sri Lanka. He

39:52

said he saw bats flying at great speed inland

39:54

and it was during the middle of the day

39:56

and he says they're nocturnal. They Don't Do This.

40:00

Moments after seeing these, that's fine. he said the

40:02

tsunami struck without any warning whatsoever. Another friend told

40:04

him that he believed that a dog saved his

40:06

life because every morning he was a custom psyches

40:09

dogs for run along the beach. But in the

40:11

day the tsunami the dog would not go refusing

40:13

to leave the house. Murmurs. Laid

40:15

out once again, the Tsunami struck. And.

40:18

It was only because of his behavior that he decided

40:20

not to go out. And I'll get

40:22

back to to that aren't in a second. In fact,

40:24

play for me Number for please Been because this is

40:26

the story of a woman whose dog saved her life

40:28

as well. There. Are also many

40:30

examples of animals that give warnings

40:33

of impending disasters to their owners.

40:35

Among taste, a woman was about

40:37

to go out to work as

40:40

usual and morning and for some

40:42

reason her dog just would have

40:44

that's a good can barring the

40:47

way tried to stop her leaving

40:49

has earned a c Deaths anyway.

40:52

And soon have to. It's was involved

40:54

in a they. A bad

40:57

car crash. And

40:59

not a case I will lose riding

41:01

a horse and it refused to go

41:03

through a gateway and and it absolutely

41:05

refuse to move and shortly afterwards a

41:08

bronze who a large branch the free

41:10

cell of which would have hit them

41:12

if they gonna head as she didn't

41:14

end it. So.

41:17

What? Is this I mean out The just

41:19

are all animals just naturally psyche does that.

41:22

What's going can see through the auto know

41:24

the vial of time Is that what's going

41:26

on? Hurry up As a simple explanation not

41:28

necessarily another that is. I think it's that

41:30

it's like hey I'm a probably hasn't atrophied

41:33

as much in animals as it has and

41:35

people because dogs animals as that are the

41:37

not quite often materialism for I think with

41:39

us because it's that it's a blessing and

41:42

a curse of having a level of intelligence

41:44

that we have and that with over stunk

41:46

everything. Like. Every sometimes you just

41:48

have to feelings instead of thinking like for

41:50

example, can you feel it coming. On.

41:53

The ceiling. Can you feel only

41:55

because I work with you've seventy? Ah. Did.

41:58

you feel that coming Did you feel?

42:02

Did you feel that? Everyone listening right now felt that

42:04

coming. Every single one of us. Did you feel that?

42:06

We all knew what that was going to be.

42:08

We all knew what that was going to be. I

42:10

feel like I was off of that banana bread coming.

42:13

That's a particularly shocking

42:16

banana bread. No one is going to look at banana

42:18

bread the same way ever again after this show. Especially

42:20

if you've been listening, it's a blessing. Please don't go

42:22

and watch the video. That's all I do while you

42:24

talk about your topic. I

42:26

just searched for horrible banana bread. I

42:29

know it's covered. So then you've got

42:31

leading institutions as well. Oxford, Cambridge, these

42:33

sorts of places that have heard these

42:35

stories over the years. They're whispered

42:37

in the halls of these institutions. But

42:41

it's something that's frowned upon. It's something that you don't

42:43

want to get involved with because it is so far

42:45

from mainstream science. Well, it

42:47

just so happens that there was a

42:49

scientific observer who witnessed this first hand

42:52

taking place. Take a listen to this one.

42:54

An Oxford zoology student, a

42:56

graduate student, was doing a study

42:58

on the mating of toads in

43:01

a late... Enthrolling. And she was

43:03

documenting day by

43:05

day how the toads came to

43:07

the lake to mate. And

43:10

then in the middle of the mating

43:12

season for several days, there were no

43:14

toads. This had never been observed before.

43:16

It was very surprising and puzzling. She

43:19

told her supervisor at Oxford University the

43:21

records clearly show there were no toads.

43:24

And then the quake struck. So

43:27

here's... And they didn't start

43:29

mating again until several days afterwards. So

43:32

here's a particularly clear-cut example

43:34

where there was continuous observation

43:36

going on showing

43:39

this change in behaviour. So

43:42

a minion of the institution. She's

43:44

probably very lovely, so I shouldn't be so cruel. But

43:47

someone who's very much clearly indoctrinated

43:49

into the realm of modern science.

43:51

And To suggest something like

43:53

this is occurring is absolutely absurd. And Yet

43:55

it was under witness. It was scientifically observed

43:57

taking place. I've got a photo of her.

44:00

He. M

44:04

I S. E.

44:10

D Cid know you should be using a presenter

44:12

the powers that is available hum I'm looking the

44:14

video and a lot of the a guy grabbed

44:17

like a site that is ticking and I can

44:19

feel it like it's really getting it's like a

44:21

his the parents. What's. The parents

44:23

are you get apart economically on the. A

44:26

German woman called Dagmar Castle at

44:28

who had a parrot. Only

44:33

some friends did. During the

44:35

wartime year of Nineteen Forty

44:37

Three, I stayed with acquaintances

44:39

and Leipzig the has no

44:42

parrot. Southerly. About

44:44

nine pm that was extremely

44:47

upset in his cage. Lifted

44:49

it's left wing and code.open

44:51

Door Open. up there.

44:55

And even looked up and nobody could

44:57

guess it. quiet. I

44:59

was surprised and us my host of

45:01

what it was all about. he always

45:04

docent the for an error let the

45:06

lady said. You. Say

45:08

to us in advance. That same

45:10

night the Tommy's really came. They

45:12

destroyed the Crystal Palace. To

45:15

this parrot. Two hours in advance knew

45:17

that there was gonna be a bombing run by the

45:19

British. Happy. You did not know

45:21

the reason why rises particular case and showed

45:23

like this point is out is there are

45:26

stories that come from Britain as well of

45:28

the British right before there was going to

45:30

be a ride during the Blitz. the for

45:32

whatever reason dogs, birds, animals, They.

45:34

Knew they behave in a strange way indicating

45:36

that a bombing was about to take place.

45:39

Knell of over the it's people said it's

45:41

planes but they can hear the planes Had

45:43

must travel far distances I can pick but

45:45

no not two hours before hit by two

45:47

hours beforehand. On top of that it was

45:50

the war. There were plenty of planes in

45:52

the air. All. The time. Such.

45:54

as to gobble i can hear planes and they

45:56

must have nice right that's not as happened said

45:58

repeatedly that it became and anecdote of people

46:00

that were in the blitz. It

46:04

happens so often that it's not just a one-off thing. It

46:07

demonstrates that there's some type of effect taking place

46:09

here. In this circumstance, it was apparent. But I

46:11

also picked up this very old

46:13

report. It comes from LJ

46:16

Carbaby who published a story about

46:18

twins, right? And twins having ESP

46:21

and strange abilities. And

46:24

towards the end though, because even though it's

46:26

talking about twins, there is also these details

46:28

about animals seemingly having these abilities.

46:31

And of course, LJ points out that there

46:33

was a pair of students, right? And

46:40

these students were going for an

46:42

exam. And when they went for the exam,

46:44

they were in the same room, but they're on opposite sides of the

46:46

room. And they got called into the principal's

46:48

office a couple of days later and were being

46:51

told off because they clearly cheated on the exam.

46:53

And the reason why they thought that they cheated

46:55

on the exam is because not only were their

46:57

answers identical, their mistakes were identical

46:59

as well. And these students were like,

47:01

and they didn't even realize though that

47:03

they'd actually written the same thing. There

47:05

was no suggestion of them actually having

47:07

any active communication telepathy between the two

47:10

of them. And yet somehow they

47:12

wrote the same thing and made the same mistakes. But

47:14

there are other twins that have pointed out that said,

47:16

well look, and this is in this article,

47:18

if I've got an exam coming up or I've got a

47:21

book report or something like that, and I can't get through

47:23

the whole thing, my sister will read

47:25

one half of the book. I read the other half

47:27

and were able to do the exam. That's awesome. It's

47:30

like they know. It's like this information just

47:32

flows through. It's like, how? How is this

47:34

occurring? Well, we might get into this a

47:36

little bit later on when it comes back

47:38

to this whole idea of the morphic family

47:40

field. But there's this

47:42

old story, right, about Pata

47:45

Whiskey's parrot. And he was

47:47

a musician who became the premier of Poland. I don't

47:49

know exactly what timeframe we're talking about, but he had

47:51

a parrot named Cocky Roberts. This is the name that

47:54

he called it. For whatever reason,

47:56

he had to go away on some

47:58

business or something like that. And as he

48:01

did, he entrusted the care of his

48:03

parrot, this Cocky Roberts, to a friend

48:05

in Switzerland. Now, for

48:07

whatever reason, he was asleep in

48:09

his hotel in New York, and he suddenly awoke from

48:11

this dream. And I don't know what

48:13

was described in the dream, but he could still hear his

48:16

beloved parrot screeching, this is Cocky

48:18

Roberts, let me in. Like,

48:21

that's the last thing he, like, heard. And he couldn't... Well,

48:23

was it in the dream? Or was it like... And he felt

48:25

like he audibly heard it. Yeah, yeah. And

48:27

so, he's like, this is really... And he just knew.

48:29

He just said, somehow he knew after this experience that

48:32

his parrot was dead, his beloved parrot was dead. He

48:34

says, 10 days later, he receives this letter

48:37

from his friend in Switzerland. And the letter

48:39

was telling of all the good spirits, excellent

48:41

spirits of Cocky Roberts and his health, and

48:44

everything's great, despite the parrot's age. He's

48:46

like, I know, but of course, it's in the days where

48:49

it takes a while for mail to get through. So

48:51

that would have been posted before the dream. Yeah. So

48:54

he's like, I knew another email... Email. I

48:56

knew another letter in the mail was coming. And

48:58

he says, indeed, I did receive one. He said,

49:00

I received another letter afterwards where he found that

49:02

it was of great regret. So his

49:04

friend had to inform him that he had

49:06

accidentally shot Cocky Roberts outside. It

49:08

was a very cold night. The poor bird had died

49:11

and been found on the doorstep the following morning, frozen

49:13

to death. And that's why he was squawking, let me

49:15

in. Let me in. Isn't

49:17

that... Little... I've actually heard that

49:19

story before. And what many people don't realise

49:21

is in the dying breaths of that parrot,

49:23

he was actually like, rah! Curse

49:26

Poland! To the death mark! And then soon

49:28

after it was invaded. And

49:31

actually, you might laugh, but Poland

49:33

is actually facing a parrot

49:36

invasion. What? I

49:39

used to! This is

49:41

from the Science of Poland website. Scientists' invasion

49:43

of parrots in Poland is only a matter

49:45

of time. And

49:48

there's a large green parrot. Experts

49:50

say that the bird is inflicting damage

49:52

in agriculture and ecosystems throughout the country

49:54

and they seriously have a pest problem

49:56

with parrots. So that's a little known

49:58

aspect. the story that

50:00

that parrot actually cursed the entire country of

50:03

Poland. Why can't we have that here? We've

50:05

got freaking cane toads that spit poison at

50:07

you here. Like, and we've got them

50:09

running around everywhere. They're gross and disgusting. Why can't we

50:11

be invaded with parrots? I could deal with that. Well,

50:14

that's why we have cane toads. Some guy had a

50:16

pet cane toad, didn't treat him

50:18

right. And that cane toad

50:20

cursed the entire country. In harsh Australian winters.

50:22

And it's like, well, now it's going to

50:24

get its revenge. So then, of course, you've

50:26

got the paranoia that comes

50:28

with some of these stories as well.

50:30

People accessing the field. And there's many

50:32

of these stories out, right, of where

50:35

people experience pre-sentiment. They have

50:37

some type of knowing. They'll have repeating

50:39

recurring dreams of plane crashes. And particularly

50:41

during periods of war, these

50:44

people get arrested because they think that they're

50:46

spies. Like, how could they possibly have known that

50:48

when simply they're accessing this field, but it's not

50:50

recognized. And a great example of

50:52

that comes from the Gestapo arresting a man

50:54

during World War II. An

50:56

Austrian sculptor, Heinz Petteri, was

50:59

arrested during the war for

51:01

his undeplematic words and

51:04

deported to Bocum in the

51:06

Ruhr to defuse unexploded bombs.

51:09

I like that we're playing his video

51:11

here. And his video that you've provided

51:14

is just a bad close-up of text.

51:16

Yeah, I know. Why

51:18

don't you just snip out the audio for me? Why are we

51:20

watching the video? Oh, because it was like the end of the

51:22

day. I'm like, what? I'm fine. Can I even

51:24

do that? What are you thinking? He

51:26

lived in a small room in the

51:28

tower of the police administration building. From

51:32

his window, he used to watch the

51:34

pigeons that lived on the roofs. And

51:36

he noticed that the birds often flew

51:38

away suddenly, all of them. And

51:41

half an hour later, at the most, the

51:43

bombers came. Afterwards, the

51:45

birds came back. This

51:48

was repeated many times. He

51:51

used this knowledge to warn his

51:54

comrades and superiors of impending raids,

51:56

and his predictions repeatedly proved to

51:58

be accurate. But

52:02

when the Gestapo heard about it, he

52:04

was arrested once again under suspicion of

52:07

being a spy in contact

52:09

with the enemy. Wow, bloody

52:11

pigeons. It's always pigeons that

52:13

do you in. Isn't that amazing

52:15

though? Like somehow these birds from such a far

52:17

distance were able to pick up on this. Like

52:20

there's no other way that they could have known.

52:22

You look at this scientifically and it's like, well,

52:24

are they picking up because they can see magnetic

52:26

fields, can't they? Are they possibly seeing some change

52:29

in the magnetic field? Pigeons are just psychic. Well,

52:32

maybe it's the pigeon. Remember that story?

52:34

The pigeons you've got to be careful

52:36

with. So what explains this

52:39

though? It's possible that, and I

52:41

think Rupert Sheldrake is onto something, that there is

52:43

some type of field that

52:46

contains information and more so memory.

52:49

It contains memories of things. And

52:52

it's applicable not just to groups

52:54

of, particularly groups of communities, families, that kind of stuff

52:57

which we'll come into in a moment, but also can

52:59

apply to entire species. And this is what we were

53:01

talking about a little bit earlier in the show when

53:03

you were describing that the monkeys been. It's

53:06

actually been witnessed in labs with lab rats. Just take

53:08

a listen to what Rupert has to say about that.

53:11

In the realm of animal behavior, there's a

53:13

well-known example of rats. A

53:15

long series of experiments at Harvard, Edinburgh,

53:18

and Melbourne University in Australia showed that

53:20

when you train rats to learn a

53:23

new trick, escaping from the water maze,

53:25

the more rats that learned it, the

53:27

easier it got for other rats to

53:29

learn it, even in other parts of

53:31

the world. And

53:33

this wasn't just rats that were descended from

53:36

trained rats who might have inherited this epigenetically,

53:39

but it was all rats of that breed, even

53:41

ones whose parents had never been in a water

53:43

maze before. Now,

53:46

I think the same is happening in the human

53:48

realm. I think it's getting easier

53:50

to learn things other people have already learned.

53:52

There's already lots of evidence for it. That's

53:55

why you have these scientific discoveries around the

53:57

world that are people that are not connected

53:59

to each other. coming up with the

54:01

same things. It's almost like it gets put

54:03

into the field and once it's in the

54:05

field it then spreads out to the rest of the

54:07

species. A species consciousness. Yeah. A group consciousness. Yeah,

54:09

which then starts tying it. You can become even more

54:12

esoteric and start crossing into the realms of like group

54:15

karma or species karma or that family karma. Like

54:17

that kind of stuff starts becoming a little bit

54:19

more abstract. But I'm like, maybe

54:21

the ancients and people like religious scholars and

54:23

that kind of thing that have seen this.

54:25

Like they're only describing what Schaldryac is describing

54:27

really now from a modern sense. Like we're

54:29

describing it as a morphic field, but it's

54:32

just something that it's already exists and

54:34

in the past inherently we observed it. Yeah,

54:36

and it seems it brings

54:38

to mind the global consciousness project

54:40

that the Princeton labs were still

54:44

running apparently. Are they still doing that? I'm not

54:46

sure about that. But you'd think right. I mean

54:48

labs across the world, right? So there's no way

54:50

these mice are somehow communicating with each other. So

54:52

it's not even down to people have argued and

54:55

said, oh, it's some type of genetic memory, which

54:57

is still crazy in itself, right? Although that's becoming

54:59

a little bit more acceptable these days. But no,

55:01

they're not part of the same breeding program. It's

55:04

almost instantaneous. It's thousands and

55:06

thousands of miles distance and

55:09

yet somehow they're recognizing this. It's intriguing to think

55:11

about how conscious it is. That's

55:13

right. Especially in humans because with human beings,

55:15

it's obviously a instinctual

55:19

gut feeling. Or you're

55:21

not even aware of it at all, that

55:23

you're moving in a direction that your fellow

55:27

humans on the other side of the planet are

55:29

also moving in. They're studying the same things, coming

55:31

to the same conclusions. You wouldn't even be aware

55:33

of it. But has that always been the case

55:35

with human beings? I think so. And I've you

55:37

know, like we see what's happening in the world

55:39

at the moment and there really is. I

55:42

mean, it's called mind virus, right? But you can

55:44

see the way that people think like there's a

55:46

distortion in people's thinking. People are not about good

55:49

values of being honest and being fair and reasonable, that

55:51

kind of stuff. That's all kind of gone out. And

55:53

this is some really Crazy ideas. And

55:56

I'm not getting even political. This is

55:58

some really crazy ideas that just spread.

56:00

so easily now and I've always thought

56:02

of until recently like this is something

56:04

that is to do social media. Social.

56:07

Media is responsible for it's your other people

56:09

fully months. but it's not the I bet

56:11

you know exactly as month I'm thinking is

56:13

not just social media. There's. Something a

56:15

series Taiwanese or even a theory that the

56:18

something that's undiscovered which is like this fee

56:20

On to this kind of explains that I

56:22

wonder if and he does point out like

56:24

traditionally you'd say the something in the water

56:26

but it's not even that. Know this sub

56:29

is severely the feel get there something and

56:31

this is why cancer Because why is it

56:33

that these absurd harebrained ideas that are you

56:35

get an obscure university in the Us Suddenly

56:37

a flourishing in Australia. It's. And

56:39

it's it's It's so taken on so rapidly

56:42

and so easily says. and if it's in

56:44

the morphic fields could you have a hermit?

56:46

You've got some guy, he's just out in

56:48

the woods somewhere he has no contact with

56:51

human beings are at. He's been living out

56:53

there for years and he does meditates all

56:55

day but then one day he does opens

56:57

his eyes and he like on a woman.

57:01

Is that how the fourth it feels would work

57:03

on. I'm. Not entirely sure. I think

57:05

there has to be other factors going

57:07

on and like the after with part

57:09

in saying that possibly he's thinking might

57:11

be altered. By. Into his into a

57:13

certain direction he may be influenced and are not

57:15

Colonel the well as like a girl skirt well

57:18

I've it or not say all of a Saudi

57:20

up a desire that is Dylan Mulvaney but still

57:22

like it's like this. I think this could explain

57:24

why groups behaving as that because I really great

57:26

example by Sheldrake is pointed out by termite mounds

57:28

which am I pile of that letter on that

57:30

he he goes into the idea that termites that

57:32

a blind. Are able to build these

57:34

intricate, incredible mounts and they replicate them over and

57:36

over again. Is a holiday Able to do it

57:39

is because they're following the field and he says

57:41

it comes down to these two warring things as

57:43

I pointed out, which is habit. And.

57:45

Then you've got creativity. Sir. Habit

57:47

is like this is why people look the

57:49

by we do more. Only recently talking about

57:51

Tom says the opener me a I was

57:53

the stars can influence have people This is

57:55

all to do possibly with the fields price

57:57

because we've seen. and i'll play the only

58:00

actually. Play number nine for me because he actually describes

58:02

this far better than I can. It's

58:04

clear in biology that there was a

58:06

major problem called the missing heritability problem

58:09

that if

58:11

you knew all the genes of a

58:14

person you could predict the likelihood of

58:16

breast cancer or schizophrenia or something like

58:18

that with an accuracy of less

58:20

than 10% with schizophrenia

58:22

is about 3%. Even

58:26

for height, which is a fairly obvious

58:28

physical characteristic, I can't quite

58:30

explain about 10% in

58:32

terms of genes. So

58:35

where's all the rest of the inheritance coming

58:37

from? This is called

58:39

within biology the missing heritability problem.

58:43

I remember reading about that with

58:45

the Chinese efforts to engineer

58:47

height and find genetic links to

58:49

the kind of attributes. You

58:52

would think something like height would be fairly

58:54

simple but there's no

58:57

chance of finding it. The odds of

58:59

finding whatever turns that on is

59:02

so obscure and it's like needle

59:04

in a haystack doesn't even begin

59:06

to describe finding that combination

59:08

of genetic information. Which is just crazy when

59:10

you think about it because he didn't include

59:13

in the audio there but he was talking

59:15

about the human genome project. And

59:17

it really was this belief that ultimately

59:19

once we've mapped the entire human genome

59:21

we'll know everything. Like the whole

59:23

gattaca future of babies. Gattaca

59:26

future exactly. Yeah

59:28

it's not going to happen. And it's

59:30

never going to happen which is really

59:32

quite fascinating especially with these transhumanists and

59:35

these terrible people that are pushing these

59:37

concepts. Their dreams are

59:39

never going to happen but because they're so caught up

59:41

in materialism they can't understand that it's never going to

59:43

happen. It almost

59:45

crosses into the realms of eugenics. It's a modern

59:48

form of eugenics. It's

59:50

horrible. It's truly horrible. But

59:53

in a way I feel I find comfort in it. We're

59:57

not supposed to understand that. You

1:00:00

know why are still one of each enix

1:00:02

is horrible at Six Forty Genesis or of

1:00:04

course yeah give you a few as you

1:00:06

know have certain attributes and you find might

1:00:08

make the has that yourself that you appreciate

1:00:10

and were off on the children Doesn't hurt,

1:00:13

that's fine before. that's an admirable but it

1:00:15

it's obviously if it's forced on. yeah yeah

1:00:17

exactly yeah. I'd like Atticus yet when exact

1:00:19

and then the entirety of society than conforms

1:00:21

to what seems you have as opposed to

1:00:23

you know what's your character it it's really

1:00:25

a horrible things I thought I thought about

1:00:27

this as as as listen to his audience

1:00:30

I will what's the answer like what's happening

1:00:32

he essentially and all the to this particular

1:00:34

the of is is quite a long presentations

1:00:36

that of forty to fifty minute presentation on

1:00:38

three quite expertly and rightly so explains how

1:00:40

these morphic fields possibly can describe or and

1:00:42

and explain why you have this kind of

1:00:44

try to why person books the weather look

1:00:47

it's about the field but then it's really

1:00:49

fascinating he says. And fact

1:00:51

got on a plane or persisting just before I

1:00:53

see hitting vega aren't no not that. ah sorry

1:00:55

for wrong by this. This video accidentally put off

1:00:57

the vagina bread again. Once

1:01:00

talking about morphic fields influencing form

1:01:02

right and infirm influencing the that

1:01:05

the reality we live in it

1:01:07

doesn't work full long habituation so

1:01:09

the structure and behavior of the

1:01:12

hydrogen atom for example right. That's.

1:01:14

Been going to thirteen billion years or

1:01:16

whatever it is. Ah that we cannot

1:01:18

influence that we cannot change but new

1:01:20

and novel things in this is where

1:01:22

it crosses in. From young habit to

1:01:24

creativity, new and novel things you can

1:01:26

actually see this. You can see changes

1:01:28

taking place is is a really great

1:01:30

example is in the of formation of

1:01:32

chemical crystals are that when you try

1:01:34

to synthesize new chemical crystals. Ah,

1:01:37

they behave and very strange fashion displays

1:01:39

on that according to morphic resonance. The

1:01:41

first time you make the crystal it

1:01:44

may take a long time for the

1:01:46

new crystal form to come into being

1:01:48

and when you make it repeatedly over

1:01:51

and over again and lamps around the

1:01:53

world a habit new have it builds

1:01:55

up with crystals form crystallize more easily

1:01:57

and as excited about chemist. Explain

1:02:06

it In Kansas has funny anecdotes

1:02:08

about chemists carrying seeds or nuclei.

1:02:10

little bits of previous crystals round

1:02:12

the world on their beds or

1:02:14

closing. And for secondly, in terms

1:02:16

of dust particles from previous crystals

1:02:18

being asked and round the world

1:02:21

in the atmosphere and how sad

1:02:23

is that this content leave and

1:02:25

when bearded chemists are excluded and

1:02:27

when the dust is tilted from

1:02:29

the atmosphere. And

1:02:31

ends ah. Just.

1:02:38

Go off on the crystal

1:02:41

skulls came. Home.

1:02:50

And enough. And

1:03:00

most can simply they have to acknowledge

1:03:02

the fact that this is happening even

1:03:04

though these space. And.

1:03:12

Paris uncles Paris office have high

1:03:14

enough. To

1:03:18

get. Six

1:03:21

and eight. And it's already been

1:03:23

test through every day practice of

1:03:25

chemistry and the facts very well

1:03:27

as morphic resonance. Isn't

1:03:29

it? Almost certainly you can hear they. The

1:03:32

excuse is that you got people that ali

1:03:34

And don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing

1:03:36

scientists, you've got people that worked very hard

1:03:38

and I tried to find explanations, are trying

1:03:40

to theorize as to why things are happening.

1:03:42

but then I come up with truly absurd

1:03:44

explanations. like all the or a fraction of

1:03:46

the crystal got caught in some dude beard

1:03:49

and then when it landed another I could

1:03:51

you imagine the things like that We talk

1:03:53

about coincidence right? It's like Yoni a liberal

1:03:55

coincidence that would have to take place. For.

1:03:57

that to happen in st the same labs or around

1:04:00

the world and much like the other scientific

1:04:02

discoveries we're talking about before, it's the

1:04:04

same thing. You find this new compound

1:04:06

that you crystallize, all of

1:04:08

a sudden it's happening faster because this is the

1:04:11

habit, right? The more that it gets built, the

1:04:13

more like it manifests in a reality in a

1:04:15

habitual fashion. So that's why you can test

1:04:17

this kind of stuff. So once it becomes even more

1:04:19

readily established, it's much easier for it to manifest in

1:04:21

our reality. So it's like these ideas, these

1:04:24

new hypotheses, these discoveries, they manifest in our reality

1:04:26

and it becomes easier and easier and easier for

1:04:28

it to occur. Do you get the feeling that

1:04:30

Shildrake will be looked upon by future

1:04:33

generations? He'll be like Copernicus. Yeah, exactly.

1:04:35

I was thinking of Copernicus, an absolute

1:04:37

visionary for the time, but just, I

1:04:40

guess, held back by the

1:04:42

old ways of thinking and the status

1:04:44

quo and the politics. I think

1:04:46

he's a remarkable man in the things that he's describing.

1:04:49

But then he crosses into, we were talking about

1:04:51

genes there before, let's jump back, because he was

1:04:53

talking about genes and of course twins come up

1:04:55

and I highlighted that, that morphic

1:04:57

fields might be able to explain what's

1:05:01

occurring here because you pick it up in twins and just play

1:05:03

what he says about twins for me, Ben. As

1:05:05

all of you know, there used to be a lot

1:05:08

of studies, and there still are, of

1:05:11

identical trends separated soon after birth

1:05:13

in order to find out how

1:05:15

much of human nature depends on

1:05:17

genetics and on the environment. And

1:05:20

it turns out that identical trends

1:05:22

separated soon after birth have a

1:05:24

huge number of features in common,

1:05:26

not just their physical appearance, but

1:05:29

in the Minnesota's twin studies involving

1:05:31

thousands of pairs of twins, ridiculously

1:05:35

detailed things like painting

1:05:37

their houses the same color,

1:05:39

calling their kids by the same names,

1:05:41

not the kinds of things even the

1:05:43

most ardent neo-dominion would expect to be

1:05:46

encoded in the greens. And

1:05:48

if morphic resonance is taking place, the very

1:05:50

fact that they're identical or at least very

1:05:52

similar means they'd specifically resonate

1:05:55

with each other across space and time,

1:05:57

even if they're living in separate places.

1:06:01

and in separate families and there'd be a

1:06:03

great deal of connection between

1:06:05

them and similarity. So what this

1:06:07

evidence may suggest is that morphic

1:06:09

resonance is going on rather than

1:06:11

it's all due to the cheat.

1:06:14

Is there like twin criminals who have

1:06:16

been separated at birth and then get arrested

1:06:19

for the same crime? I'm glad you asked

1:06:21

that Ben. Actually glad you asked that. Is

1:06:23

there a case of that? Because there was. Let

1:06:25

me just have a look here. There was some

1:06:28

research and we're going back to the Carberry article.

1:06:30

Where is it? There

1:06:33

was studies that was conducted I

1:06:35

believe in Helsinki perhaps or where

1:06:38

is it here? I'll just have a look. In

1:06:41

fact there was, this is what it was, it

1:06:43

was a comparison between... Something elaborate like it was

1:06:45

some really elaborate bank robbery or they

1:06:47

were both jewel seeds. Well

1:06:50

you know what it's funny because it doesn't go

1:06:52

into that level of detail but what it

1:06:54

does highlight is their criminal activity and

1:06:56

I'm just going to find the exact source. What I recall

1:06:59

off the top of my head it was comparing the difference

1:07:01

between paternal twins and

1:07:03

fraternal twins or identical twins sorry and

1:07:05

fraternal twins. So identical twins it's the

1:07:07

same ovum which has been duplicated and

1:07:09

then for the other

1:07:12

kind of twins it's just both eggs

1:07:14

have been fertilized right? So there was

1:07:16

this study that was conducted into criminality

1:07:18

in twins. When you look at identical

1:07:20

twins right? I think it was 17

1:07:22

sets of identical twins that

1:07:24

were looked at. 13 of

1:07:26

them had been involved in criminal activities like 13

1:07:29

sets of twins have been involved in criminal

1:07:31

activities. That's a high number. It's a high

1:07:33

number right? So twins, identical twins right? There's

1:07:35

just something right there but these

1:07:37

identical twins and also been it was found even when this

1:07:40

is not the reason why it was such a small study

1:07:42

because I have to point out they were separated at birth

1:07:44

as well. That's the other important part though.

1:07:46

So they weren't like they were

1:07:48

hanging around and getting into bad groups completely separated but

1:07:50

when they looked at in the study 13 out

1:07:53

of those 17 groups have participated in some type of

1:07:55

crime and it was the same crime. The

1:07:58

same crime like jolty. or a

1:08:00

certain type of violence or something like

1:08:03

that, right? But when they looked at

1:08:05

fraternal twins, they did, I think

1:08:07

they only got 13 cases of this, right?

1:08:10

One. One pair of them were criminals. The

1:08:12

rest of them weren't. And in that second, they were different criminals.

1:08:15

I've never trusted twins. So

1:08:19

there is something weird going on. And in fact,

1:08:21

to highlight that even further, right, because of what

1:08:23

Sheldrake was describing there, also in

1:08:25

the article by Carberry, he talks about

1:08:28

the twins Sylvia and Goldie. And

1:08:31

Sylvia was at home one day when all of

1:08:33

a sudden out of nowhere, right, she just sitting

1:08:35

in a lounge, right? She's just sitting in a

1:08:37

lounge. She's just followed the laundry. She's just relaxing.

1:08:39

She's got the afternoon TV on. She's like, Goldie,

1:08:41

turn your right! And she just screams it out.

1:08:43

And she stops. She's

1:08:46

like, where did that come from? That's

1:08:48

really strange. It just so happens that Goldie

1:08:51

had been out all afternoon. And

1:08:54

Sylvia was feeling really uncomfortable at this. She had

1:08:56

this anxiety over what had happened to her sister

1:08:58

who was an identical twin. She'd

1:09:00

left home to go do some shopping. Now

1:09:02

as she's trying to watch TV to overcome

1:09:05

these feelings of apprehension, she

1:09:07

has this flash in her head, right, when she's

1:09:09

screaming it out. She says she sees like these

1:09:11

two lights heading straight towards her. And

1:09:14

that was it. All right.

1:09:16

Now, fortunately, her twin sister, Goldie comes home,

1:09:18

and Goldie is clearly white as a sheet

1:09:20

and she's been traumatized by something. And she's

1:09:22

like, oh, my God. And

1:09:25

before she can even say anything, Sylvia's like,

1:09:28

a truck almost smashed into you, didn't it? And

1:09:31

Goldie's like, yeah. Yeah, dear. I turned

1:09:33

and this truck just suddenly almost like was

1:09:35

bearing down on me. And for

1:09:37

whatever reason, I heard you scream at me audibly turn to

1:09:39

your right because I didn't know which direction to go. Oh,

1:09:42

she saved a life, did she? And had she gone to

1:09:44

the left, she would have hit the truck head on. She

1:09:46

went to the right, saved a life. So

1:09:48

that's not just simply telepathy. She audibly

1:09:50

heard her screaming at her. And somehow

1:09:52

the other twin just even had

1:09:55

the present. That's what you can't have with the

1:09:57

parrot. You

1:10:00

don't know. You don't know the parrot. Like we

1:10:02

know with this one that the parrot was stuck

1:10:04

outside freezing. There was a connection there. You can't

1:10:06

have a connection with the parrot. So

1:10:09

then it all comes down to, right? So this is

1:10:11

where we get to the whole field memory thing. And

1:10:14

I went into this too because I thought it was going to

1:10:16

like give me some understanding as to why it is that my

1:10:18

son was picking up on these things. But that's not necessarily the

1:10:20

case. It's more to do with

1:10:23

what Shelltrack is describing. One study

1:10:25

that was conducted in regards to, it's a

1:10:27

therapy called family constellation,

1:10:30

like family constellation therapy. And

1:10:32

his wife has conducted this but it relates to morphic

1:10:34

fields, right? So if you play number 11, it

1:10:37

just sets up the scene for where we're going to go with this. Where

1:10:40

this affects us is that families

1:10:42

are social groups and

1:10:44

families have a kind of memory in the

1:10:46

family field. And

1:10:48

when we start new families,

1:10:51

when people get married or live together

1:10:53

and have children and start

1:10:55

a new family, both

1:10:58

the parents have

1:11:00

family fields they bring with them, a

1:11:02

field from their family of origin. And

1:11:05

the family is a kind of hybrid between these

1:11:07

two family fields. So

1:11:10

he's describing this family field that you

1:11:12

bring together, right? So this is again

1:11:14

this habit first creation. And

1:11:16

you've got like this long history within your family

1:11:18

that you've come from. And then all

1:11:20

of a sudden you create a new family. So it

1:11:23

creates this new kind of space where these things can

1:11:25

come through. It's almost like some type of, it's

1:11:28

a genetic history but it's not genetic

1:11:30

at all. It's a history of your

1:11:32

family which controls the traits of what

1:11:34

goes on inside the dynamics of your family.

1:11:37

And he points out that this is like why you've got black

1:11:40

sheep because it comes down to these

1:11:42

family field patterns. Like you've always had a family

1:11:44

member that might behave in a certain way or act

1:11:46

out in a certain way. That

1:11:49

might be the case because they've previously

1:11:51

acted that way in the past. Yeah,

1:11:53

it's so interesting because it completely overlaps

1:11:55

with the concept of karma and ancestral

1:11:57

karma. Does it? Yeah.

1:12:00

very esoteric Western researchers who

1:12:02

claim to have psychic abilities

1:12:04

can actually perceive these karmic

1:12:06

connections. And we've covered a couple

1:12:08

of individuals in the past who have called

1:12:11

these cords. They say these cords of connections

1:12:13

between the families that are formed. But

1:12:17

yeah, even in terms of the, I guess,

1:12:19

Eastern concept of family virtue,

1:12:21

family honor, there's something

1:12:24

that goes beyond the surface level understanding

1:12:26

of, well, you have a reputation as

1:12:29

you, you know, you're concerned about how

1:12:31

your family is viewed by others and

1:12:33

the status of your family. There's something

1:12:35

that goes beyond that into an actual

1:12:37

tangible, like Sheldrake would call it a

1:12:40

field, you might call it virtue,

1:12:42

but it's something that's actually

1:12:45

a real tangible thing. Yes.

1:12:48

Not just an idea, it's not just

1:12:50

a concept. And it carries on with

1:12:52

the individual and indeed the family group.

1:12:54

And then of course, he can expand

1:12:56

that concept on to even wider groups, like

1:12:59

people, nations, races, whatever. Yeah.

1:13:02

I mean, this is what he was describing more in the sense of

1:13:04

family dynamics and patterns, but you're right. I

1:13:07

can see where it would cross into that, that kind

1:13:09

of area of, you know, things taking place. But

1:13:12

this was more like that. There's that old saying

1:13:14

of the sins of the father, you know, it's

1:13:16

the same kind of thing. It's like, well, it's

1:13:18

like it could be to do with, you know,

1:13:20

there's an old saying of nature versus nurture, which

1:13:23

is one of the headlines. But really it's nature

1:13:25

versus nature, sorry, nature versus nurture versus the family

1:13:27

morphic field. And sometimes that morphic field

1:13:29

can be so powerful that it overpowers. And that's exactly what

1:13:31

happened in some of the studies that he's done. Play number

1:13:33

12 for me, please Ben. And the

1:13:35

kind of work that happens in

1:13:38

family constellation therapy depends

1:13:41

very much on these family fields.

1:13:44

And I know more about this than

1:13:46

some because Joel has been practicing this

1:13:48

for many years. My wife,

1:13:50

Jill Perce, who's here, and

1:13:53

has, through

1:13:55

her work and through the work of others, it

1:13:58

becomes clear that the... People's

1:14:00

behavior is shaped by the

1:14:02

family field often by unconscious

1:14:04

habitual patterns from previous generations

1:14:06

of which people are often

1:14:08

completely unaware. And

1:14:10

individuals within those families may

1:14:12

behave in ways that individual

1:14:14

psychotherapy can't really deal with

1:14:17

because, for example, if

1:14:19

in previous generations someone's been excluded

1:14:21

from the family because they've committed

1:14:23

suicide, committed a crime, done something

1:14:26

shameful, or for whatever reason

1:14:28

they've been excluded, then

1:14:30

in a later generation one member

1:14:32

of the family may unconsciously identify

1:14:34

with the ex-re person

1:14:37

and ex-treat themselves by behaving in a dysfunctional way or becoming

1:14:39

suicidal. And

1:14:43

individual psychotherapy just can't get to the

1:14:45

bottom of this because it's not an

1:14:47

individual problem. It's to do with something

1:14:49

that's within the habitual field of the

1:14:51

family. Because they don't recognize it. They

1:14:54

don't recognize it, so there's no way to treat

1:14:56

it conventionally. So it's like I've spoken

1:14:58

to therapists over the years who have described

1:15:00

these things like families living or speaking the

1:15:02

language of abuse. That's one thing that comes

1:15:04

up. And if you've grown up with a

1:15:06

narcissist and there's more out there than you

1:15:08

realize, but people, if they've grown up in

1:15:10

these certain households, they have these certain patterns.

1:15:12

And it's like if you actually look into

1:15:14

it, there's like a family history

1:15:16

of this kind of stuff. Now people would say,

1:15:18

well, that's a result of genetics, like the sum

1:15:21

geni- but we can't use genetic to determine that.

1:15:23

Like it's just, it doesn't fit, right? So what's

1:15:25

the explanation for it? It could be that it's

1:15:27

these habitual patterns that form. And there's that thing

1:15:29

that you see, of course, of many people that

1:15:31

have escaped these certain situations where they describe like,

1:15:34

it stops with me. Like that's kind of a

1:15:36

cliche saying, but people make the

1:15:38

choice to change that. And that's where we

1:15:40

go from habit to creativity. That's like

1:15:42

where the field changes. And you actually

1:15:44

can change the field, like to cause

1:15:47

you to have a better family life. But one thing that

1:15:49

came out of this, which again, highlights

1:15:51

the high strangeness associated with this stuff,

1:15:54

is that there's certain

1:15:56

practices that can be done, these,

1:15:58

I guess, unconventional. therapeutic practices

1:16:00

to solve these morphic issues with families.

1:16:04

He points out that during COVID, obviously

1:16:06

there was lockdown, so people couldn't go to

1:16:08

these sessions. But when they were conducting these

1:16:10

sessions over Zoom, they were

1:16:12

still having the same effect. Of course,

1:16:14

that makes sense, right? Because it's spooky action at a distance.

1:16:16

You don't have to be right there. But what was really

1:16:19

weird is that when we've come back now and all

1:16:21

these lockdowns and silly things have finished and we've gone back

1:16:23

to a relatively normal society, he

1:16:25

pointed out that there's some times when you go

1:16:27

to a session and obviously you're not going to

1:16:29

bring your crazy family members along. It's about treating

1:16:32

you. You have someone stand in.

1:16:34

It's like someone will stand in and will

1:16:36

take on the role of the parent or whoever

1:16:38

you're having an issue with, right? They

1:16:41

do some very strange, unexpected things. Well, I'm

1:16:43

just looking at some of the photos of

1:16:46

the family constellation. Oh,

1:16:48

really? Well, look at this, right? So this is where they

1:16:51

put people in. I don't know what's coming. Looks like a

1:16:53

bit of Tibetan Tantra. It's

1:16:55

very orange. The forest is about

1:16:57

to get pegged by his cousin

1:17:00

in the background. That's

1:17:03

not the point I'm trying to make. Just

1:17:05

to play for me. Double 13, please. There

1:17:07

are representatives for different members of the family

1:17:10

selected from the group. And

1:17:13

those representatives, someone who's standing in for

1:17:15

the mother, the father, the brother, the

1:17:18

sister, et cetera, often speak when they're

1:17:21

asked how they feel, often

1:17:23

speak in a very appropriate

1:17:25

way about their situation

1:17:27

in that family field, even though they don't

1:17:29

know anything very much about the family at

1:17:31

all. And it somehow comes

1:17:34

through them. It's as if they channel

1:17:36

it from the field. So

1:17:38

you've got an independent person

1:17:41

who is this, they're representing that family member

1:17:43

that the person is getting therapy about and

1:17:45

they start behaving in that fashion

1:17:47

almost like they're channeling. Like, what are

1:17:49

they? They're picking up on the field. It's

1:17:51

almost, I mean, it's obviously it's not proof. But

1:17:54

it's a strong suggestion that there is some type of psychic

1:17:57

field, morphic field, memory

1:18:00

field that sits there that is

1:18:02

influencing us in our daily lives. So I'm

1:18:04

not saying it absolves us of responsibility, but

1:18:06

it does give us some greater insight into what

1:18:09

could be beyond this reality that we see. We

1:18:11

see it very much in a materialistic way, but

1:18:13

there are these hidden forces that are directing what's

1:18:15

going on right down to our family dynamics. Well,

1:18:17

again, it's the kind of thing that makes you

1:18:20

wish people like Shell Drake

1:18:22

were taken more seriously by the status

1:18:24

quo. And he

1:18:26

could sidestep all the scientific dogma because

1:18:29

the implications of it are

1:18:31

pretty far reaching. It's a pretty fundamental

1:18:33

change to how we view reality

1:18:35

and our relationships with each other. I

1:18:38

hope that one day it does become readily

1:18:41

accepted, but I just think that it's

1:18:43

a long time. I look at Copernicus. I

1:18:45

mean, how many hundreds of years ago did he die? Look at him. And

1:18:51

on that note, we're going to get out of this show.

1:18:55

I do apologize. Like,

1:18:57

don't blame me for his actions. One

1:19:00

too many vagina breads. That's

1:19:02

too much for me. I'm good now. So that's

1:19:05

the end of the show for regular listeners. But

1:19:07

of course, I'll link to... Go and check out

1:19:09

his channel. He's got a whole heap of great

1:19:11

videos in there talking about some really fascinating things.

1:19:13

Of course, I'll link to his books and I'll

1:19:16

also link to the articles that we've discussed in

1:19:18

the show notes at mysteriousuniverse.org. Yeah, cool. Coming up

1:19:20

after the break for our plus extension, Means of

1:19:22

Control by Byron Tow, how they hidden the

1:19:25

lines of tech and government

1:19:27

is creating a new American surveillance state.

1:19:29

Is your profile on some NSA server

1:19:31

just banana bread now? All of us

1:19:33

have a profile. Of course we do.

1:19:36

Mine would be like a random string of numbers

1:19:38

than banana bread. And

1:19:43

yeah, this makes what

1:19:45

Snowden revealed in 2013

1:19:47

look like an

1:19:50

obsolete piece of technology. Almost.

1:19:52

Because I don't believe this, but it almost

1:19:55

makes me wonder, did they deliberately do this

1:19:57

Snowden thing to distract us from

1:19:59

what's really going on in the background. Oh

1:20:01

no, they were pretty pissed off about Snowden. They

1:20:03

were genuinely pissed off. Or the fact that he

1:20:05

had to flee to Russia or wherever he went

1:20:07

that had never returned. And it did really spoil

1:20:09

a lot of the NSA's advantage that America

1:20:12

had over their foreign adversaries and

1:20:15

they kind of had to take a step

1:20:17

back and that's what this new system is

1:20:19

all about. But it really is

1:20:22

a much more powerful weapon. I've

1:20:24

got some incredible stuff coming up,

1:20:26

details about how your tire

1:20:29

pressure monitor your measuring system can

1:20:32

be easily read by

1:20:34

the defense industry and

1:20:37

the intelligence agencies and it's used to

1:20:39

track you. So if I get scutted on

1:20:41

the way home, we know why. Yeah,

1:20:44

like it's just the tire pressure. Because

1:20:46

most modern cars tell you your tire

1:20:48

pressure. You don't have to go and

1:20:50

check it on some device. It just

1:20:53

sends a signal. That signal can be

1:20:55

intercepted and there's even private companies setting

1:20:57

up surveillance equipment all around the United

1:20:59

States like on public telephone poles and

1:21:03

street lamps. That signal tower. Yes.

1:21:06

That are picking up the signals sent

1:21:08

by your tire pressure monitoring

1:21:10

system. That data is then

1:21:13

aggregated and sold to

1:21:16

insurance companies. Some spurious clients.

1:21:18

Let's just say that. Because I saw an article

1:21:20

this week and I'll have to see if I

1:21:22

can find and put in the show notes of

1:21:24

people getting pissed off because major car manufacturers have

1:21:26

just basically been exposed for

1:21:29

taking people's insurance premiums are going up and

1:21:31

they couldn't work out why. It

1:21:33

was because the car manufacturer was sending data

1:21:36

of people's cars like how rapidly they braked,

1:21:38

how rapidly they accelerated, if they did a

1:21:40

sharp turn. All that information was being sent

1:21:42

to the insurer. How ridiculous. I

1:21:45

drive like a maniac. I haven't had one accident. Well,

1:21:49

it goes even further than that to

1:21:51

the point where, for example, Nissan

1:21:54

in its terms and conditions fully

1:21:56

states that it can detect your

1:21:58

sexual orientation. from

1:22:00

your vehicle data. I'm not even joking. I am

1:22:02

not even joking. What from the music that you

1:22:05

listen to? All sorts of stuff,

1:22:07

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