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Let's say you're trying to find
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some solid information about a serious
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health problem that concerns you—high blood
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pressure, diabetes. Yet
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everywhere you look, someone's trying
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to sell you something, like
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vitamins, yoga mats, blenders,
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drugs. Well, breathe
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a sigh of relief, because all we
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bring you are the
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facts. Welcome to the Nutrition Facts Podcast.
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I'm your host, Dr. Michael Greger. Did
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you know that there's been a steep rise in
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cases of asthma over the years, and that
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much of that can be attributed to an increase
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in air pollution? Well, it
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turns out that some diets can
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improve our respiratory defense against lung
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disease and infection. Here's
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our first story. Outdoor
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air pollution may be the ninth
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leading cause of death and disability
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in the world, responsible
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for millions of deaths from
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lung cancer, emphysema, heart disease,
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stroke, and respiratory infection. In
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the U.S., living in a polluted city
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was associated with a 16%, 27%, and 28% increase in
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total cardiovascular and lung
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cancer death, compared to
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living in a city with cleaner air. Living
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in a city with polluted air may lead up to a 75% increase
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in the risk of a heart attack. No
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one wants to be living in a traffic jam, but
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is better than dying in a
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traffic jam. In
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addition to causing deaths, air pollution
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is also the cause of a number of
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health problems. It may not only exacerbate asthma,
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but increase the risk of developing asthma
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in the first place. These
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pollutants may trigger liver disease,
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even increase the risk of diabetes.
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Even when atmospheric pollutants are
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within legally established limits, they
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can be harmful to health. So
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what can we do about it? Paper
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after paper describing all the terrible things
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air pollution can do to us, but
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most failed to mention public
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policy. We're making great strides
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in demonstrating the harmful effects, but
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public authorities are not using these
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data to reduce emissions, as
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they might inconvenience the population, and
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therefore might not be politically acceptable.
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To treat the cause, we
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need better vehicle inspections, efficient public
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transport, bus lanes, bicycle lanes, even
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urban tolls to help clean up
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the air. While
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we're waiting for all that, is there
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anything we can do to protect ourselves?
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Well, our body naturally
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has detoxifying enzymes, not
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only in our liver, but lining
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our airways. Studies
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showing that people born with less
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effective detox enzymes have
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an exaggerated allergic response to
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diesel exhaust, suggesting that these
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enzymes actively combat the inflammation
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caused by pollutants in the
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air. A significant part
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of the population has these substandard
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forms of the enzyme, but
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either way, what can we do
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to boost the activity of whichever
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detoxification enzymes we do have? Well,
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if you remember broccoli can dramatically
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boost the activity of the detox
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enzymes in our liver, but
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what about our lungs? Smokers
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fed some smokers a large stock of broccoli
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every day for 10 days to see if
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it would affect the level of inflammation within
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their bodies. Why smokers? Because
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smoking is so inflammatory, you
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can end up with elevated C-reactive
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protein levels for up to 30
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years after quitting, and
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that inflammation can start almost immediately
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after we start smoking, so it's
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critical to never start
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in the first place. But
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if you do, you can cut
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your level of that inflammation biomarker
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CRP nearly in half after just
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10 days eating. a
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lot of broccoli. Appears
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to cut inflammation in non-smokers as
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well, maybe explaining in part
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why eating more than 2 cups of
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broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower, kale, or other cruciferous
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veggies a day is associated with 20%
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reduced risk of dying compared
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to eating a third a cup a day
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or less. So
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what about air pollution? We
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know the cruciferous compound is the
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most potent known inducer of our detox
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enzymes, and so most
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of the research has been its
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ability to fight cancer. They
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tried to see if it could
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combat the pro-inflammatory impact of pollutants
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such as diesel exhaust. They
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took some human lung lining cells in a
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petri dish and drip on
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some broccoli goodness. Yeah,
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but we don't inhale broccoli, we don't snort
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it, we eat it. Can it still get
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into our lungs and help? Yes,
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two days of broccoli sprout consumption, then
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you suck some cells out of their nose, and
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up to 100 times more detox
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enzyme expression compared to eating a
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non-cruciferous vegetable alfalfa sprouts. Now
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all we have to do is squirt some
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diesel exhaust up their nose, which
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is what some UCLA researchers
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did, an amount equal
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to daily rush hour
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exposure on the Los Angeles freeway.
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Within six hours, the number of inflammatory
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cells in their nose shot up and
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continued to rise. But
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in the group that had been getting
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a broccoli sprout extract, the inflammation went
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down and stayed down. Since
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the dose in these studies is equivalent to the
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consumption of one or two cups of broccoli, their
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study demonstrates the potential
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preventative and therapeutic potential
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of broccoli. But
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if broccoli is so powerful at suppressing
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this inflammatory immune response, might
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it interfere with normal immune function?
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After all, the battle with viruses like influenza
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can happen in the nose. Let's
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drip some flu viruses into the nostrils
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of broccoli sprout eaters
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and find out. And
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what you get is the best
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of both worlds, less inflammation,
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yet an improved immune response.
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After eating a package of broccoli sprouts every
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day, our body is able
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to keep the virus in check, potentially
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offering a safe, low-cost strategy
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for reducing influenza risk
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among high-risk populations. So
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better immune function, yet less
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inflammation, potentially reducing the
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impact of pollution on allergic
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disease and asthma, at least
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for an enthusiastic broccoli consumer.
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But what about cancer? Detoxifying
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air pollutants throughout the rest of our
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body? We didn't know, until now.
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Off to China, where they have
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some of the worst air pollution in the
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world, and by day one, those getting the
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broccoli sprouts were able to get rid of
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60% more benzene from
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their bodies— a rapid,
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highly durable elevation in
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the detoxification of a
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known human carcinogen. Now
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this was using broccoli sprouts, which are
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highly concentrated, equivalent to about 5 cups
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of broccoli a day. So
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we don't know how well more modest
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doses would work, but if
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they do, eating broccoli could
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provide a frugal means to attenuate the
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long-term health risks of air
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pollution. Finally
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today, if the nitrites in foods
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like ham and bacon cause lung
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damage, what about
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processed meat with quote-unquote no nitrites
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added? Recently, the
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World Health Organization classified processed
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meat, also known as cured
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meat—bacon, ham, hot dogs, lunch
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meat, sausage— as definitively
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cancer-causing in humans.
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As if— If that's not enough, high-process
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meat consumption has also been associated
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with increased risk of dying prematurely
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from all causes put together as
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a risk factor for several
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major chronic diseases, such as
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type 2 diabetes, coronary heart
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disease, and stroke. What
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about lung issues like asthma?
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Nitrites are added to processed meats
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as preservatives to preserve their pink,
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so they don't turn gray, keeping
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them less rancid tasting, and to
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present the growth of diseases like
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botulism. But put that
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same sodium nitrite in a drinking
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water of lab animals, and they
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develop emphysema. They nearly all developed
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emphysema. But that's all
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the scientific knowledge we had
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until this study, which found that frequent
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cured meat consumption is associated
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with increased risk for developing
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diseases like emphysema in people
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too. Chronic obstructive
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pulmonary disease, eating it
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like every other day, appeared
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to triple the odds of severe
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COPD. Most of it
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was just a snapshot-in-time study, so we
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don't know which came first, the Sausage
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or the COPD for that. We need
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prospective studies to follow people over time,
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and the big twin Harvard studies in
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both women and men,
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both found that the risk
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of newly diagnosed COPD increased with
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a greater consumption of cured
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meats. Currently, we
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now have studies involving hundreds of thousands
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of people showing that higher intakes of
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processed meat were associated with a 40%
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increased risk of COPD. It
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comes down to like an 8%
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higher risk of COPD for each hot
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dog you eat all week, or
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each weekly breakfast-length
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sausage. What's going
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on? Yes, there are
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advanced glycation end products, so-called glycotoxins
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that may be pro-inflammatory.
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saturated fat that can also trigger
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inflammation in the airways. The
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high salt content can present
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a potential risk for lung
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inflammation, where the increase in
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systemic inflammation in general. But
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the reason that tension is focused on the
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nitrites is because nitrites may actually be one
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of the mechanisms by which tobacco
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smoke causes diseases like
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emphysema. Yes, cured meats are
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the principal source of dietary
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nitrites, and nitrites are also
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byproducts of tobacco smoke. One
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of the main constituents besides
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the carbon monoxide and nicotine
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are nitrogen oxides that are
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converted in the lung to
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nitrites. The way
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nitrites appear to cause lung
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damage is by affecting connective
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tissue proteins like collagen and
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elastin. That's what helps keep
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the air spaces in your lungs open. But
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nitrite can modify these proteins
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in a way that mimic
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age-related damage including the
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fragmentation of elastin. With
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that much lung injury, it's logical
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to assume processed meat consumption could
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also exacerbate the disease
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of those who already have it.
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And indeed, cured meat
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consumption increases risk of COPD
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patients ending up back in
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the hospital. About twice the risk
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for those eating more than average, and
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appears the more you eat, the
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worse it is. Regarding
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lung health, processed meat intake has been
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associated with a likely increased risk of
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lung cancer, decline in
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lung function, and chronic obstructive
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pulmonary diseases. But
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what about asthma? High
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processed meat consumption has been associated
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with higher asthma symptoms as well.
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We knew about the higher maternal
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intake of meat before pregnancy, potentially
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increasing the risk of wheezing in
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her children later on, based
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on a study of more than
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a thousand mother child parents. and
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we're not talking about aspirating meat
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into your lungs and being
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misdiagnosed with asthma. Those
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who eat the most cured meats were 76% more likely to
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experience worsening asthma than those who
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ate the least. Since
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obesity is a likely risk factor
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for asthma, though maybe the influence
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of the meat is just indirect
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by contributing to weight gain, that
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might be a small part of it, but
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the main effect appears to be direct,
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suggesting a deleterious role of cured
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meat independent of weight. Put
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all those studies together and process meat
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into it. It appears to be an important
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target for the prevention of adult asthma
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in the first place. Even
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if you don't have any long issues,
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processed meat consumption was negatively associated with
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measures of normal lung function, while
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fruit and vegetable consumption and
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dietary total antioxidant capacity was
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associated with better lung function.
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But wait, you say, I just eat
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all natural, uncured hot dogs
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with no nitrates or nitrites
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added in all caps.
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But if you magnifying glass the
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small print, it says, except those
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naturally occurring in cultured celery juice.
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See, to avoid saying they
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added nitrites, what they
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do is add something that has lots
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of nitrates like celery and a bacteria
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that converts the nitrates to nitrites. So
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they are adding nitrites.
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They're just straight up duping
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consumers. We didn't
13:35
add any nitrites, except
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of course for all the nitrites
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we added. We care
13:42
about your health, so no nitrites
13:44
added. And who wants pepperoni with
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nitrites? So we just added
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lots of nitrites. We
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would never add any
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nitrites. Just let
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the pinky picture distract you from the fact that we
13:59
just lied. Head to your face,
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Cormel was my
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favorite, except for those naturally occurring
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in seasoning. Pretty slick. Europe
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doesn't allow this kind of consumer
14:12
fraud, demanding manufacturers explicitly label it
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as containing nitrites. I mean, you
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can't even call it natural. When
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Consumer Reports put it to the
14:22
test, they found the nitrite levels
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in all the products was essentially
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the same. So no nitrites doesn't
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mean no nitrites. Consumer
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Reports and the Center for Science and the
14:34
Public Interest have petitioned to stop
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this misleading practice. Nitrites
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are nitrites. Their chemical composition is absolutely
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the same, and so are the health
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