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There are lots of good reasons to try
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and follow a healthier diet. You
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lose weight, you feel good, but the
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main reason? To live
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a longer, happier, more productive
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life. Welcome to
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the Nutrition Facts Podcast. I'm your host,
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Dr. Michael Greger. Today
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we look at how the
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brain's detox mechanism works, the
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glymphatic system, and more
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importantly, what we can do to make it work
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even better. The glymphatic
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system is a newly discovered drainage
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system in the brain that
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clears the brain of toxic
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waste byproducts. Sleep is
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a great mystery. A
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treat shared across animal species, sleep
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must be of vital importance to
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survive natural selection pressures to eliminate
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such a vulnerable state. Indeed,
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cringe-worthy experiments have shown
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that keeping animals awake long enough can
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be fatal within 11 to 32 days. It
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turns out sleep is
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of the brain, by the brain, and
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for the brain. One function
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of sleep that has been elucidated in recent years
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is the clearance of toxic waste
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byproducts through a newly discovered
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drainage system in the brain. With the
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invention of the encephalogram, EEG, to measure
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brainwave activity, the scientific world was quickly
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disabused of the notion that sleep was
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a time of rest for the brain.
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During certain stages of sleep, there
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was brain-wide activity going on, but
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what was the brain actively doing?
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More than 2,000 years ago,
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Aristotle proposed that sleep helps
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the body clean the blood, while
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today we know sleep may help
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the body clean the brain. Until
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2012, we thought that the brain
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was singular among organs for recycling nearly
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all of its own waste. It
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had to, since it was separated from the
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rest of the body by the blood-brain barrier.
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But the barrier that keeps toxins out of the brain. The
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brain presumably keeps Doc Sons
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in. Then. In
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two thousand and twelve a brain
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wine fluid friends port network was
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discovered. turn the. Lymphatic
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system. By. Microscopically
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tracking dye injected in the brains
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of my scientists discovered flawed so
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tunnels surrounding blood vessels in the
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brain. The pressure wave of arterial
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pulses with every heart milks the
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fluid a long before eventually dream
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into the cerebral spinal the was
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running the brain. Was
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does this have to do is sleep? The.
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Whole system is only really
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do when sleeping during wakefulness.
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these tunnels or clamp down
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reducing lymphatic slow by ninety
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percent. Of. The side
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is a fluid, ships might interfere
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with targeted neurotransmitter chemical communication and
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the a week states have a
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biological need for sleep. May.
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Reflect the need for the brain to
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enter into a state to filter up
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it isn't neurotoxic waste products like beta
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amyloid which is implicated in also armies
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disease. Perhaps. This
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could help explain why those who
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routinely get fewer than seven hours
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of sleep a night are at
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increased risk of developing cognitive disorders
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such as dementia. Randomized individuals to
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have her sleep disrupted, a series
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of beeps administered zoo and phones
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in the sleep lab increases amyloid
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levels whereas improving sleep by. Treating.
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Sleep apnea. Patients with see bad
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for example improve slow wave activity
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deep sleep. And. Averse to lower
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amyloid levels. Pet. Scans show
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even a single all nighter to
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cause significant increase in accumulation of
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beta, amyloid, and critical brain areas.
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The problem. Is. Dead
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Glum Santa Green filtration pierced and
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dixon line with age. Old.
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Vice only have ten to twenty percent
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a good verdict Function of young mice.
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This. could be due to a number of
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factors as we age we experienced less of
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the beeps low-wave sleep, the type of
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sleep during which brain waste clearance appears
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to be the most active, further
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contributing to the stagnancy. Our
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arteries tend to stiffen as we
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age, reducing the pulsations that drive
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the climatic pump. That
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also offers one potential explanation as to
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why hypertension is tied to dementia. The
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thickening of artery walls with high blood
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pressure also has a stiffening effect. How
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can we counter this age-related,
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glymphatic decline and keep our
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brains cleaner? We'll explore
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just that question next. What
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can we do to prevent the decline
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in glymphatic brain filtration as we age?
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Let's find out. Other
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than getting enough sleep, what
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can we do to improve the glymphatic clearance
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of waste from our brains? The
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provision of a running wheel so
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mice could voluntarily exercise has been
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shown to improve glymphatic clearance in
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aging mice, which was accompanied by
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a reduced buildup of amyloid deposits
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and improved cognition. Sleeping
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position may also make a difference.
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Studies on rats show that their natural
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sleeping position curled up on their sides
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allows for better glymphatic transport than sleeping
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on their backs or stomachs. People
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also tend to spend most of their
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time sleeping on their side, particularly their
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right side versus left, compared
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to their backs or stomachs. This
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may maximize blood outflow from the
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brain. When we sleep
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on our right side, our right internal jugular
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vein, the main blood vessel in our neck
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draining blood from the head, is
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wide open, and our left jugular
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is partially collapsed and vice versa.
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Since most people have a dominant
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right jugular vein, sleeping on their
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right side might maximize brain drainage.
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Does it matter? Well, people
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with neurodegenerative disease, mostly
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mild cognitive impairment, and Alzheimer's disease,
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tend to sleep more on their back. their backs than
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those with normal cognition. About
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72% spend at least two hours a night on
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their backs compared to 37% of
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those with healthier brains, raising
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the intriguing possibility that
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head position during sleep
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could influence the clearing of neurotoxic
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proteins from the brain. In
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crib death, sudden infant death
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syndrome, sleeping position
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can be a lifesaver, leading to
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slogans like back to sleep or
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more morbidly, face up to
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wake up. It's premature for
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an adult jingle, maybe
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on your flank to not draw
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a blank. The
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characteristic position of poor sleepers is
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on their back though, so maybe
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it's the poor sleeping rather than the
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position per se that leads to cognitive
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decline or the causality
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could be reversed with dementia deteriorating
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good sleep habits. Even
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if sleeping position did matter, it
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may take a night in a
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sleep lab to track your movement.
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It turns out self-reported sleep positions
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are often false. Should
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brain benefits to side sleeping ever
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be established, you can train yourself
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with so-called positional therapies such as
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the tennis ball technique,
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which involves wearing a shirt to
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bed backwards with a ball stuffed
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in the chest pocket. The
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uncertainties don't end with sleeping
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position. The glymphatic
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mechanism itself was rapidly embraced
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in scientific circles and the
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popular press. However, it's been
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controversial. It wasn't until 2019
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that the first evidence was published
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that the glymphatic system discovered in
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rodents even existed in human brain.
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Even the relationship between sleep and Alzheimer's
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disease is perhaps best summed up
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in a recent neurology review entitled,
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It's Complicated. Yes, those
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getting less than seven hours of sleep may
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have high rates of Alzheimer's, In.
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More. Than eight. Or.
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Higher risk to. If. Anything
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Population studies show that longer sleep
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duration more than eight or nine
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hours. Or. More strongly linked to
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all summers disease and dementia in general
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the sleeping less than five or six
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hours. The. Association between
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dementia and long sleep duration.
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Could. Be reverse causation work Pro
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grumbled changes in the brain
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years before also is diagnosed.
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causes prolonged sleep. Long.
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Sleep duration may also just be
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a confounding factor, a marker, some
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underlying health problems that the real
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culprit. For. Example oversleeping may be
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a sign of depression, which itself
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is an established risk factor for
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dimension. But. There
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is a plausible biological
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mechanism for our extended
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sleep duration. Could increase
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dementia risk directly. Longer.
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Sleep Duration: Typically defined as sleeping more
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than eight hours a night. His.
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Associate with some is of
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systemic inflammation, elevated levels. Of.
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Syria to protein and into would
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consist. Of. Who Both of those
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inflammatory markers in turn are so say
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will increase in the risk. So.
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Much more needs to be tease out about
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the role of the democratic system before we
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