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a historical myth be
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unbustable? Here's
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what I mean by that. Sometimes
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when you're exploring the past,
1:04
you come across a figure
1:06
whose reputation has quite obviously
1:08
been inflated by legend or,
1:11
conversely, tarnished by slander.
1:15
But usually, with a bit of research,
1:17
some critical reading, and a close comparison
1:19
of historical sources, we can
1:22
disprove many of these misconceptions. We
1:25
can bust the myth, or
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at least add some nuance to the story. I
1:30
mean, you know, obviously this kind of stuff is
1:32
my bread and butter here. But
1:35
are some myths bust-proof?
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There are rare cases where it seems pretty
1:42
clear that the story that's been preserved
1:44
about a person or an event is
1:47
skewed in some way. A
1:49
figure seems a little too perfect.
1:53
Or, things seem to unfold in
1:55
a way that seems a little
1:57
too close to a well-known storytelling
1:59
trope. But, we
2:02
have no evidence to support
2:04
a different reading. This
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can often be the case with religious figures.
2:11
If you're not a believer, then
2:13
you're likely going to be skeptical
2:15
about the miraculous tales associated with
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Moses, the Buddha, Jesus, or
2:20
the Prophet Muhammad. But
2:23
trying to find a historical source pertaining
2:25
to the life of those figures that's
2:28
not been written or
2:30
redacted by their
2:32
religious followers can
2:34
be a difficult and often impossible
2:36
thing to do. You
2:39
might smell a myth, but
2:41
with no available evidence to contradict
2:43
it, that myth might
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prove to be unbustable. This
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can also happen with national
2:52
heroes, people who
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have been held up as the
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embodiment of a particular national or
2:58
cultural identity. Sometimes
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the reputation of a national hero
3:03
can become so unassailable that getting
3:05
a clear picture of who they
3:07
actually were can be difficult.
3:11
I would argue that this is
3:14
the case with one of Korea's
3:16
most celebrated historical figures, the
3:19
Admiral Yi Sun-shin, savior
3:22
of the Korean people and hero
3:24
of the Great East Asian War,
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or what Koreans call the
3:29
Imjin War. In
3:32
a 2019 Gallup poll, Admiral
3:34
Yi ranked number one on
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a list of historical figures
3:39
South Koreans respect the most.
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To give you a sense of
3:44
his competition, the number two person
3:47
on that list was King Sejong
3:49
the Great, the beloved 15th century
3:51
Joseon dynasty monarch who was instrumental
3:54
in creating the Korean alphabet. King
3:57
Sejong is widely regarded as Korean.
4:00
Korea's Golden Age King.
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And still, Admiral Yi
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tops the list. There
4:09
are many reasons for this. Admiral
4:11
Yi's exploits on the high seas
4:14
during the Great East Asian War
4:16
were truly impressive. His
4:18
use of the redesigned and
4:20
uniquely Korean go-book sun or
4:22
turtle ships can't help
4:24
but capture the imagination. His
4:27
unjust betrayal, torture at
4:29
the hands of lesser
4:31
men, return to glory,
4:33
and ultimate martyrdom. Well,
4:36
that can't help but remind you of
4:39
another well-known figure. Admiral
4:43
Yi's story really has everything.
4:46
He's Horatio Nelson, George
4:48
Patton, and Sun Tzu,
4:51
with just a dash of, well,
4:53
you know who. In
4:57
the years that followed the Great
4:59
East Asian War, one of the
5:01
best-read and most enduring histories of
5:03
the conflict was a Korean memoir
5:05
known as the Jinbiroc. This
5:08
was written by the Korean
5:11
courtier, Roo Sung-young, who
5:13
had held a number of high-ranking positions
5:15
in the court of the Korean King,
5:17
Sun Jo, during the war. This
5:20
included the influential post of
5:22
first state counselor. Roo
5:25
Sung-young was also Admiral
5:27
Yi's greatest supporter at
5:29
the Korean court. The
5:32
title of this memoir translates
5:35
roughly as the Book of
5:37
Corrections and was intended
5:39
to be a clear-eyed look at the
5:42
failures of the Korean government and the
5:44
Joseon dynasty in defending the country
5:46
in the early days of the war. The
5:50
thing that needed to be corrected
5:52
in the Book of Corrections was
5:54
Korea's response to the Japanese threat.
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In The Book, the author does not spare him.
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Themselves from criticism and often
6:02
laments his own failings as
6:04
an administrator. It
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reminds me a little bit of
6:08
Winston Churchill's massive historical volumes about
6:11
the First and Second World Wars.
6:14
You. Get a valuable behind the
6:16
scenes perspective. We also need to
6:18
remember that the author is far
6:20
from impartial. To. The credit
6:23
of russo long, he doesn't pad
6:25
himself on the back quite as
6:27
much as our died Churchill. Still,
6:31
The figure who comes out looking
6:33
the best in the book of
6:36
Corrections is Admiral Years Soon Shin.
6:39
In. The authors estimation Admiral Ye
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deserved more credit than any
6:43
other Korean commander for the
6:45
ultimate survival of the Joson
6:48
kingdom. In. The
6:50
memoir the authors sincerely compares
6:52
Admiral Use Victories At Sea
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to quote acts of Divine
6:56
Providence and quote. Bespoke
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hugely influence the historical reputation
7:02
of Admiral You Eat, a
7:04
reputation that was only further
7:06
buttressed by the stories of
7:08
his heroics that appeared in
7:10
the engine Knock. The. Fictionalized
7:12
history of the engine war that I mentioned
7:14
at the top of the last episode. So.
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For centuries, Admiral Ye was
7:20
an unambiguous hero in Korea.
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But. His. Historical reputation was
7:26
super charged in the early
7:28
twentieth century as response to
7:30
the Japanese occupation of Korea.
7:32
From nights intend to Nineteen
7:34
Forty five, Koreans,
7:36
Resisting the Japanese at that
7:39
time gravitated towards the old
7:41
war hero as he represented
7:43
victory over the Japanese. His
7:46
story could easily be framed
7:49
as the Korean National Spirit
7:51
succeeding. Even when the Korean
7:54
government had failed. As.
7:56
such korean nationalist writers from
7:58
this period returned to the
8:01
story of Admiral Yi. When
8:03
Korea regained its independence in 1945, the
8:07
writings of these nationalists became
8:09
increasingly popular. In
8:11
these histories, Yi Sun-shin became
8:14
more than just a great
8:16
Korean. He became
8:18
the perfect Korean. The
8:21
nationalist historian Shin Che-ho
8:24
wrote that Admiral Yi was,
8:26
quote, both a hero and
8:28
a saint, end quote. Similarly,
8:31
the writings of Yi Guangsu
8:34
emphasized not only Admiral
8:36
Yi's military acumen, but
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also his moral excellence.
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Admiral Yi was a warrior
8:44
poet, a great humanitarian, as
8:47
well as a fierce combatant,
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a man whose only crime was
8:52
being too honest and unwilling to
8:54
play the corrupt games needed to
8:56
get ahead in the court of
8:58
King Sun-jo. This
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image of Admiral Yi was
9:03
seized upon by South Korea's
9:05
autocratic military leader Park Chun-hee
9:07
in the 1960s. President
9:11
Park had a massive statue of
9:13
the admiral erected in the middle
9:15
of a major intersection in Seoul
9:17
on the approach to the presidential
9:20
palace. Park allegedly
9:22
chose Admiral Yi for commemoration,
9:24
as he was, quote, a
9:27
person most feared and admired
9:29
by the Japanese, end quote.
9:33
The image of Admiral Yi
9:35
tapped into an anti-Japanese sentiment
9:38
still keenly felt among Koreans
9:40
after the occupation. It
9:43
also didn't hurt that Admiral Yi was
9:46
a military man, an obvious
9:48
choice of hero for a military
9:50
dictatorship. The
9:52
massive statue in Seoul, which still
9:54
stands today, was just the start.
9:57
President Park had statues of Yi
9:59
erected in the middle of a
10:01
major intersection all over the country
10:03
and even commissioned Admiral Yi miniatures
10:05
to be sent to elementary schools
10:07
all over South Korea. Now,
10:11
as I was researching this, I
10:13
discovered that some controversy arose around
10:15
Admiral Yi's statue and soul when
10:17
it was being restored in 2010.
10:21
And at first I thought, of course, this
10:24
statue must now be seen
10:26
as a symbol of the
10:28
deeply controversial Park regime. Opinions
10:31
about the legacy of Park Chun-hee
10:33
are quite divided in South Korea.
10:36
Some older Koreans defend Park's
10:39
autocratic rule as essential to
10:41
Korea's economic revival. But
10:44
many Koreans under the age of 40 view
10:47
Park as a dictator who stood in
10:49
the way of the country becoming truly
10:51
democratic. I guessed
10:53
that this debate about the legacy
10:55
of the Park regime had surely
10:57
spilled over into discussions about the
10:59
future of the statue. I
11:03
guessed wrong. It
11:06
seems that despite Park Chun-hee's
11:08
best efforts, most
11:10
Koreans do not immediately
11:13
associate Admiral Yi with
11:16
Park's mid-20th century military
11:18
government. Even
11:21
President Park's fiercest critics don't
11:24
seem to think that the statue of
11:26
Admiral Yi has been sullied by its
11:28
connection to the military government. This
11:32
seems to be because at this
11:34
point nothing can really sully the
11:37
reputation of Admiral Yi in South Korea. It
11:41
turns out the debate about the
11:43
statue in 2010 was
11:45
about whether it looked heroic enough.
11:49
At the time, some Koreans were concerned
11:51
that the way that Admiral Yi was
11:53
depicted, that is, holding his sword scabbard
11:56
in his right hand, might be a
11:58
good idea. misinterpreted
12:00
as a sign of surrender.
12:04
According to some, this
12:07
giant patriotic statue needed
12:09
to look more unambiguously
12:13
heroic. It's
12:16
honestly one of the more surprising public
12:18
history debates I've come across. The
12:21
two sides were like, that
12:23
statue is just heroic enough and
12:25
reflects how we thought about heroism
12:28
in the 1960s, opposed
12:30
to, well, I'm just concerned
12:32
that the younger generation will
12:34
grow up thinking that Admiral
12:36
Yee was just okay when
12:38
they should understand that he
12:40
was awesome. So
12:43
when that is the public profile
12:46
of a historical figure, one
12:49
can't help but smell some
12:51
mythmaking. In fact, most
12:54
serious historians of Korean
12:56
history note that Admiral
12:58
Yee's reputation has been
13:00
swollen to mythic proportions.
13:04
In his analysis of the Korean Navy
13:06
during the Great East Asian War, the
13:08
historian Yee Min-eong makes the point
13:11
that most existing writing on the
13:13
topic is, quote, marked
13:15
by extolling individual
13:17
heroism and patriotic
13:19
martyrdom, end quote. Everybody
13:23
knows that there is a mythic
13:25
elephant in the room, but
13:29
the myth of Admiral Yee might
13:32
be unbustable. If
13:34
there's a counter narrative out there that
13:36
Admiral Yee isn't all that he's cracked
13:39
up to be, I've
13:41
yet to find it. Some
13:44
sources will vary in how
13:46
effusive or hyperbolic their praise
13:48
is, but the
13:51
stories about Admiral Yee are
13:53
never really different. You
13:56
see, I've learned that if
13:58
I'm going to take all a
14:00
beloved national hero, I
14:03
need to come correct. I
14:05
need to have clear historical evidence
14:08
that I can point to that
14:10
demonstrates that the popular understanding of
14:12
this beloved figure is wrong. In
14:16
the case of Admiral Yi, I
14:19
have not been able to find that evidence.
14:22
Everything we have is very complimentary
14:25
of the Admiral. That
14:28
may be because he was just
14:30
that great, or
14:33
because differing opinions were scrubbed out
14:35
of the record a long time
14:37
ago. But I can't
14:40
prove that. Just
14:42
like his statue in Seoul, modern
14:44
historians of the Great East Asian
14:47
War are left debating whether or
14:49
not Admiral Yi was pretty
14:51
heroic or super
14:54
duper goat level heroic. So
14:58
how does Korea's most respected
15:00
historical figure fit into this
15:02
story? Let's see if
15:04
we can get to it today on
15:06
Our Fake History. Episode
15:30
number 202, What was the
15:32
Great East
15:37
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15:53
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15:55
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15:58
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History. This.
17:08
Week we are returning to a conflict
17:10
known in Korea as the Engine War.
17:12
But. Is also known by
17:14
scholars as the Great East
17:16
Asian War. Now. This
17:19
is part two of what is
17:21
going to be a trilogy of
17:23
episodes on this topic. So.
17:25
If you've not heard per one and
17:27
I strongly suggest that you go back
17:29
and give that show a listen. Now.
17:32
In that first part, I did my best
17:34
to set the stage for this trilogy. I.
17:37
Introduce the idea that this
17:39
conflict has been unfairly overlooked
17:41
outside of Korea, especially given
17:43
the number of soldiers involved
17:46
and the fact that it
17:48
sucked in the most militarily
17:50
sophisticated, easy and empires of
17:52
the era. As. such
17:54
i agree with those scholars who
17:56
think that this conflict should be
17:58
more widely known as the first
18:01
great East Asian war. Next,
18:04
I discussed the unique challenges
18:06
of looking into this historical
18:08
conflict, given the biases inherent
18:10
in the Japanese, Korean, and
18:12
Chinese sources, and the
18:15
admitted inadequacies of the English language
18:17
books on the topic. As
18:20
such, I felt I needed to be
18:22
extra transparent about my sources this time
18:25
out. From there,
18:27
we turned our focus to
18:29
Japan, and explained the rise
18:31
of the Japanese leader, Toyotomi
18:33
Hideyoshi, in the late stages
18:36
of Japan's Sengoku Jide, or
18:38
the warring states period. I
18:41
did my best to show how this
18:43
war in Korea was a direct outgrowth
18:45
of more than a century of civil
18:47
war in Japan. We
18:49
finished off that episode, exploring
18:52
the reasons why Toyotomi Hideyoshi
18:54
embarked on the ambitious project
18:56
of trying to conquer Ming
18:58
China by way of Korea. We
19:03
saw that while sometimes this
19:05
gets ascribed to Hideyoshi's megalomania,
19:08
that explanation isn't really satisfying.
19:11
Instead, it seems like maintaining
19:14
order in Japan, keeping
19:16
the ambitious Japanese lords,
19:18
or daimyo, flush with
19:20
honors, lands, and rewards,
19:23
and keeping the still mobilized
19:26
Japanese armies fighting people who
19:28
were not Japanese, were
19:30
likely at the front of Hideyoshi's mind.
19:34
The breakdown in trade between
19:36
Japan and China during the
19:38
Sengoku era, also created a
19:40
situation where Hideyoshi needed to
19:42
get trade flowing again with
19:44
the mainland. Conquest
19:46
seemed like the only option
19:48
for restarting trade without Toyotomi
19:51
Hideyoshi having to humble himself
19:53
in front of the Ming
19:55
emperor in Beijing. The
19:58
last episode was focused mostly
20:01
on Japan. So today
20:03
in part two I want
20:05
to look more closely at Korea and then
20:08
of course finally get into the
20:10
thick of this conflict. In
20:13
Japan the 150 years
20:15
leading up to the Great East
20:18
Asian War had been characterized by
20:20
a chaotic state of multi-directional civil
20:22
war but the
20:24
situation could not have
20:26
been more different in
20:29
the Korean Peninsula. 1592
20:31
the Imjin year which marked the start
20:33
of the Japanese invasion of Korea also
20:36
marked the 200th anniversary of
20:39
the foundation of Korea's Joseon
20:41
dynasty. Officially
20:43
founded in 1392 the Joseon dynasty
20:47
would prove to be
20:49
Korea's most sturdy and
20:51
long-lived ruling order. The
20:53
Joseon dynasty would last nearly 600
20:57
years before transforming into the
20:59
short-lived Korean Empire in the
21:01
late 19th century. But
21:05
of course Korea's history stretches
21:07
back long before the founding
21:09
of the Joseon dynasty. The
21:12
national myth of Korea is
21:14
that the first Korean king,
21:16
Tonggun, was the son of
21:18
a she-bear who had been transformed into
21:20
a human woman by a god around
21:22
5,000 years ago. But
21:26
the Korean historian Kyung Mun
21:28
Hwang has argued that the
21:31
first distinctly Korean or perhaps
21:33
proto-Korean state on the peninsula
21:36
supported by reliable historical records
21:38
was the Kogoryo Kingdom founded
21:40
sometime in the first century
21:43
BC. By
21:45
the time the Joseon dynasty was founded in
21:47
1392 the peninsula
21:49
had seen the rise and fall of
21:52
a number of distinct kingdoms. At
21:55
one point the peninsula was divided into
21:57
three kingdoms. This was known as the
22:00
Three kingdoms, period. The
22:03
Kingdom of Sila ended up absorbing
22:05
its rivals and nearly unifying all
22:07
of what we think of as
22:09
modern Korea. Sila
22:11
eventually gave way to the Koryo
22:14
Kingdom in the late 10th century.
22:17
That kingdom was able to assert
22:20
its control over the entire peninsula
22:23
and more or less fixed its
22:25
borders where the modern states of
22:27
North and South Korea are today.
22:30
In this period, the Yalu River
22:32
in the North took
22:34
shape as the ultimate border of
22:37
what is considered Korea. And
22:40
yes, there are some who
22:42
will argue that all of
22:44
Manchuria is also historically Korean,
22:47
but man, that's a debate
22:49
for another day. The
22:52
Koryo Kingdom also integrated the
22:54
cultures of the previous three
22:57
kingdoms and created the basis
22:59
for the modern Korean identity.
23:02
Even the English word for the
23:04
country of Korea is derived
23:07
for the name of this kingdom, Koryo
23:10
Korea. It
23:13
was in this period that Korea first
23:15
started to get an international reputation. And
23:18
that reputation was, for the most part,
23:20
quite positive. In
23:22
the year 947, an Arab
23:25
historian would write this about
23:27
the Korean peninsula. Quote,
23:30
seldom has a stranger who has
23:32
come there from Iraq or another
23:34
country left it afterwards.
23:37
So healthy is the air there. So
23:39
pure the water. So fertile the
23:42
soil. And so plentiful all the
23:44
good things. Sounds
23:48
nice. While
23:50
A little unsolicited praise from
23:52
the Islamic world was certainly
23:54
appreciated, Koreans were mostly focused
23:56
on the relationship with their
23:59
largest neighbor. China. The.
24:01
Middle Kingdom. Much.
24:04
Of Korea's history right up
24:06
to the late nineteenth century was
24:08
defined by a particularly close
24:10
relationship with China. As
24:12
author Samuel Holly as put it
24:14
quote. The. Koreans have
24:17
based their culture on Chinese
24:19
culture be studied Chinese history
24:21
and the writings of Chinese
24:23
sages. They modeled their court
24:26
after the Chinese court, shaped
24:28
their government administration along Chinese
24:30
lines and closed their officials
24:33
in Chinese robes. They
24:35
made Chinese morals, their morals.
24:38
Chinese laws. They are laws
24:40
and considered the Chinese mode
24:42
of conduct superior to anything
24:45
else. And. Quote. Know.
24:49
I know that some Koreans my
24:51
bristle at that quote. As.
24:53
It's become controversial in some
24:56
quarters to suggest that Korean
24:58
culture was overly influenced by
25:00
outsiders. As I
25:03
mentioned in the last episode,
25:05
the Japanese occupation of the
25:07
early twentieth century came along
25:09
with a pernicious attempt to
25:11
destroy Korean culture and identity.
25:14
The. Japanese of that period
25:16
taught a skewed and frankly
25:18
falsified version of East Asian
25:21
history. That. Sought to erase
25:23
the achievements of the corinne
25:25
kingdoms and scrub away the
25:27
historical basis for a unique
25:29
Korean identity. One.
25:32
Koreans reclaimed their independence. They
25:34
were also keen to reclaim
25:36
their history. Many.
25:38
Wanted to emphasize the
25:40
uniqueness and historical distinctiveness
25:42
of Korea to counter
25:45
years of Japanese propaganda
25:47
that Korea had barely
25:49
existed. This. Was
25:51
an understandable impulse. Koreans,
25:54
Did not want to be written out of
25:56
their own history. So.
25:59
to clear, these Korean kingdoms
26:02
were distinct and sovereign,
26:04
albeit in a tributary relationship
26:07
with the Chinese court. Koreans
26:10
had a unique language,
26:12
cuisine, customs, and artistic
26:14
traditions. After the
26:16
reign of King Sejong in the early 1400s,
26:19
they also had their own unique
26:22
phonetic alphabet, quite different from the
26:24
Chinese characters used throughout much of
26:26
East Asia. The
26:28
Korean alphabet has been called by
26:31
historian Michael J. Seth, one
26:33
of the most logical and
26:35
scientific writing systems ever developed
26:37
anywhere on earth. The
26:40
distinctiveness of the Korean identity cannot
26:42
and should not be denied. Now
26:46
that might seem like an almost ridiculous thing to
26:48
say in 2024, when
26:50
no one is really denying the
26:52
existence of a Korean identity. But
26:56
as I have learned, the experience
26:58
of having your culture suppressed and
27:00
your history denied is
27:02
a trauma not quickly forgotten. So
27:06
I think it's worthwhile to be crystal
27:08
clear on that point. However,
27:12
to understand this era of Korean
27:14
history at all, you
27:16
need to understand the influence of China,
27:19
which was massive. In
27:23
the 1500s, the influence of
27:25
the Chinese was not a controversial thing
27:27
in Korea. Chinese culture was
27:30
simply synonymous with civilization, and
27:33
Koreans prided themselves on being
27:35
exceptionally civilized.
27:39
The text known as the Tongmong
27:42
Sun-Sip, which was for generations considered
27:44
required reading as
27:46
part of a classical Korean education,
27:49
proudly states, quote, we
27:52
made our customs like that of
27:54
the flowery land so that the
27:56
Chinese themselves praise us saying Korea
27:59
is love. little China." According
28:03
to this text, Koreans thought being
28:06
little China was high praise.
28:10
The relationship between Korea and
28:12
China would shift and change
28:14
over the centuries depending on
28:16
which dynasties happened to hold
28:18
power in both countries. However,
28:21
in the period of the Great
28:23
East Asian War, the relationship between
28:25
the two countries was quite close,
28:28
and this was because the
28:30
two ruling dynasties had come
28:32
up together. The
28:35
Ming Dynasty in China had risen to power
28:37
in 1368 after
28:39
the collapse of the Mongol-led
28:41
Yuan Dynasty. In
28:44
Korea, the founder of the Joseon
28:46
Dynasty, a former general in the
28:49
previous regime, swept into
28:51
power, favoring a close alliance
28:53
with the newly ascendant Ming
28:56
in China. The
28:58
Joseon Dynasty was thus legitimized and
29:01
given added clout by its close
29:03
relationship with the Ming court in
29:06
Beijing. As such,
29:08
the Joseon Dynasty entered into
29:10
a tributary relationship with the
29:12
Ming. The Joseon
29:15
Monarchs recognized that the
29:17
Ming Emperor was the
29:19
quote-unquote celestial emperor who
29:21
mediated between heaven and
29:23
earth. In return,
29:26
the Ming emperor recognized that
29:28
the Joseon rulers were the
29:30
Kings of Korea, with
29:32
sovereign authority over the peninsula south
29:35
of the Yalu River. The
29:38
King of Korea was expected to make
29:40
tribute payments to the Ming emperor, but
29:43
as I mentioned in the last
29:45
episode, these tribute missions were actually
29:47
the way that trade was done
29:49
between the two kingdoms. Nearly
29:52
as much wealth flowed back to
29:54
Korea as was sent to China
29:57
in the form of these tribute
29:59
flashtakers. trade missions. For
30:02
two centuries, Joseon Korea was
30:05
considered the model tributary state
30:07
by Ming officials. Korean
30:09
delegates were allowed to sit in a
30:11
place of honor at the Ming
30:13
court. The Koreans of
30:16
the era seem to have really taken
30:18
some pride in this, being
30:20
quite happy to have a more
30:22
prestigious seat at court than diplomats
30:25
from other tributary states like those
30:27
in Southeast Asia. While
30:30
technically all these tributary states
30:32
were considered equals in this system,
30:34
Korean historian Kyung Moon Hwang has
30:37
explained that in this period
30:39
the Joseon dynasty prided itself
30:41
on being quote the
30:43
first among seconds end
30:46
quote. The
30:48
Joseon dynasty of this period
30:50
was also defined by the
30:52
wholesale adoption of the political
30:55
ideology associated with the Ming.
30:58
That was neo-Confucianism.
31:02
Okay, now
31:05
I could easily get
31:08
lost explaining the philosophical,
31:10
moral, and ethical nuances
31:13
of neo-Confucianism. But
31:16
for our story here, here's what
31:18
you need to know. Neo-Confucianism
31:20
was a revival of
31:23
the teachings of the
31:25
beloved ancient Chinese philosopher
31:27
Confucius. But like
31:30
any revival, these
31:32
traditional teachings were modified,
31:35
honed, and in some
31:37
ways intensified by a group
31:39
of later scholars. At
31:42
the core of this philosophical system
31:45
was a belief that harmony, peace,
31:48
and good order could
31:50
be achieved if the
31:53
correct relationships between things
31:55
were properly maintained. Here's
31:58
what I mean. Confucians
32:00
believed that there were hierarchies that
32:02
could be observed everywhere in existence.
32:06
There was a natural hierarchy in
32:08
nature, a hierarchy in
32:11
the human body, a hierarchy
32:13
in the family, a hierarchy
32:15
in the state, a hierarchy
32:17
in international relations, and a
32:19
hierarchy in heaven. Things
32:23
were best when one knew
32:25
their spot in these various
32:27
hierarchies and acted
32:30
accordingly. In
32:32
the case of the family, children
32:34
honored and obeyed their parents, but
32:37
in turn, parents cared for
32:39
and protected their children. Similarly
32:42
in society, subjects were
32:45
expected to obey and honor
32:47
their social superiors, but
32:49
those superiors were supposed to act
32:51
charitably and benevolently
32:53
towards their lessors. The
32:57
emperor was to be honored and
32:59
worshipped, but he was
33:01
also supposed to rule with
33:04
an eye towards peace, harmony,
33:06
and balance. That
33:08
system of tribute-based trade I described
33:11
earlier is a perfect example of
33:13
this. The king
33:15
of Korea notes his subordinate
33:17
status to the emperor of
33:19
China, but then the
33:22
emperor rewards the king of Korea
33:24
with gifts. Everyone
33:26
wins and the balance is
33:28
preserved, at least
33:30
in theory. Now,
33:32
of course, this is just
33:34
the tip of the iceberg,
33:36
but hopefully you're getting the idea.
33:40
Now both Ming China
33:42
and Joseon Korea were
33:44
administered by these huge
33:46
court bureaucracies. To
33:49
get a post in the
33:51
government, you needed to pass
33:53
a civil service exam that
33:55
was entirely based on the
33:57
Neo-Confucian curriculum. This
34:00
meant that in theory there was
34:02
a level of meritocracy in this
34:04
system. Anyone who
34:07
passed these exams could potentially
34:09
serve in government. But
34:12
in practice, it took years
34:14
of expensive schooling to even have
34:16
a chance at passing the
34:18
exams. So, inevitably,
34:21
it was overwhelmingly people from
34:23
wealthy aristocratic families who ended
34:26
up taking and passing the
34:28
civil service exams. These
34:31
exams also had nothing to
34:33
do with the actual work
34:35
of government administration. They
34:38
were entirely based on the
34:40
students' knowledge of key Confucian
34:42
texts and the approved Neo-Confucian
34:45
commentaries on those texts. It
34:48
was common for students to study these texts
34:50
so rigorously that they could recite them from
34:52
memory. The thinking was
34:55
that if you staffed your
34:57
government with good moral Confucians
35:00
who understood philosophy and could
35:02
write beautifully, then they
35:04
could learn the rest on the job. These
35:07
government positions became a real
35:10
source of prestige among the
35:12
aristocracy in both China and
35:14
Korea. As such,
35:17
they became more sought after than
35:19
positions in the armed forces. In
35:22
this period, a career in the
35:25
army or the Navy was seen
35:27
as less impressive than passing the
35:29
civil service exam and getting a
35:31
position in the court bureaucracy. Now,
35:35
to be clear, there is lots
35:37
of debate among historians concerning the
35:39
state of the Ming and the
35:41
Korean armed forces before 1592. The
35:46
historian Kenneth Swope has even argued that
35:48
the Ming could be understood as having
35:50
a military revival in the lead up
35:53
to the Great East Asian War. However,
35:57
few deny that in Korea, ambivalence,
35:59
and the feelings among the
36:01
neo-confucian government class towards the
36:03
military affected how the early
36:06
stages of the war unfolded.
36:10
Finally, it's important to
36:12
understand that in both China
36:14
and Korea, this class of
36:17
government administrators was
36:19
deeply divided by rival
36:21
factions. Now
36:23
from a historical distance, all political
36:26
factionalism looks petty,
36:29
stupid, and counterproductive. I
36:33
have no doubt that in the future people
36:35
will look at our time, the
36:38
time we're living in right now, and they
36:40
will shake their heads at
36:42
how political one-upmanship, obstructionism,
36:45
and the prioritizing of
36:47
party loyalty kept Western
36:50
democracies from addressing any of the most
36:52
pressing issues of our time in a
36:54
meaningful way. In
36:57
that sense, the governments of China
36:59
and Korea in the late 16th
37:01
century were no different. Except
37:04
in those governments, the different factions
37:06
didn't have any real ideological
37:10
differences. They
37:12
were all dyed in
37:14
the wool neo-confusions. Instead,
37:17
the factions were entirely
37:19
based around personal loyalty
37:21
and patronage. You
37:24
see, Joseon Korea became
37:27
so deeply ensconced in
37:29
the ideology of neo-confucianism
37:32
that eventually they set
37:34
up something known as the Censor-It.
37:37
This was a government agency
37:39
that was meant to police
37:42
corruption and malfeasance among government
37:44
officials. In
37:46
Korea, the so-called three offices
37:49
also policed the moral
37:51
and philosophical purity of
37:54
everyone in government, including
37:56
the king. The
37:59
censors could officially... criticized government
38:01
appointments and even get policy
38:03
changed if it was not
38:05
considered consistent with Neo-Confucian philosophy.
38:10
This comparison is not perfect so I don't want
38:12
to take it too far, but
38:15
this was kind of
38:17
a Neo-Confucian Inquisition operating
38:19
within the Korean government.
38:22
Getting accused by the
38:24
censorate of corruption, impiety,
38:27
or improper conduct could
38:29
get you sacked and,
38:31
depending on the severity of the accusation,
38:34
executed. In
38:37
Korea, the court factions began
38:39
as a way to protect
38:42
oneself against denunciation to the
38:44
censors. Old
38:47
respected political veterans would promise
38:49
political cover and words of
38:51
defense to younger colleagues just
38:54
in case they were ever
38:56
accused of anything. In
38:59
return, those veterans would build
39:01
up a collection of younger
39:03
colleagues who would defend them
39:06
if they ever were accused of
39:08
anything. This
39:10
informal system of court alliances
39:13
eventually hardened into two clear
39:15
factions in the Korean court.
39:18
They became known as the Easterners
39:20
and the Westerners. These
39:23
factions vied for influence and
39:25
competed over court appointments. But
39:29
there were no real ideological
39:32
differences here. They
39:34
were all Neo-Confucians and they
39:36
all deeply supported the Joseon
39:38
dynasty. All
39:40
the disagreements were over smaller
39:43
policy questions and often
39:45
differences were manufactured just so one
39:47
side could get the edge on
39:50
the other. The
39:52
Easterners might think a Western
39:54
proposal was good, but
39:57
they would speak against it because you
39:59
can't let the Easterners get a
40:01
win? This
40:03
dynamic would hugely affect how Korea fought the
40:06
war in 1592. So let's go to 1592
40:08
and explore the
40:10
opening moves of the Great East
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1592, the Joseon dynasty was
42:18
in its 200th year and
42:21
the monarch, King Sanjo, was
42:23
25 years deep into his
42:26
reign. While
42:28
factionalism and a type of
42:30
fundamentalist Confucianism was starting to
42:32
seriously impede the operation of
42:35
government, the preceding
42:37
200 years of Joseon rule
42:39
had largely been prosperous, stable,
42:41
and peaceful. In
42:44
fact, the early Joseon era often gets
42:46
looked back on as a bit of
42:48
a golden age in Korean history. And
42:51
while we need to be careful not
42:53
to overly romanticize this period, there's no
42:55
doubting that in the 15th and early
42:57
16th centuries, there were certainly worse places
43:00
to live than the Korean Peninsula. But
43:04
it's generally accepted that when
43:06
the Japanese attacked in the
43:08
Imjin year of 1592, the
43:11
Koreans were not ready. Or
43:14
more accurately, they were not as ready
43:16
as they needed to be. Part
43:19
of this had to do with
43:22
a litany of diplomatic misunderstandings that
43:24
would almost be funny if they'd
43:26
not ended up leading to such
43:28
a tragic conflict. Now,
43:31
it's not like better diplomacy would
43:33
have averted this war. Toyotomi
43:36
Hideyoshi had clearly made up his
43:38
mind about this invasion and
43:41
no amount of clever negotiation could have
43:43
stopped him. Hideyoshi
43:45
had proposed that the Koreans
43:47
just stand aside while his
43:49
army marched through their country
43:51
towards the ultimate goal of
43:53
Ming China. But this was
43:56
completely unacceptable. The
44:00
Japanese would end up sending two
44:02
separate emissaries to visit the Korean
44:04
King, Son-jo, bearing letters
44:06
from Toyotomi Hideyoshi. One
44:09
of those letters I quoted from At Length in
44:11
Part 1 of this series. That
44:14
was the letter where Hideyoshi described
44:16
his miraculous birth, described his destiny
44:19
to conquer all of Asia, and
44:21
laid out his plan to march
44:23
through Korea on his way to
44:26
Beijing. This
44:28
letter had been delivered to
44:30
the Korean court by Hideyoshi's
44:32
first emissary, an old battle-scarred
44:35
daimyo who had little time
44:37
for what the Koreans considered
44:39
essential diplomatic decorum. The
44:42
Koreans already had prejudices that
44:45
the Japanese were uncultured barbarians,
44:48
and this first envoy seemed to
44:50
live up to that stereotype. What's
44:53
more, this letter he had
44:55
with him did not follow
44:57
the proper conventions of diplomatic
44:59
letters written from one vassal
45:02
king to another. Hideyoshi
45:04
was using a verb tense that
45:06
was supposed to be reserved for
45:08
the Emperor of China. Now,
45:11
the conclusion should have been
45:14
that Hideyoshi was dead serious
45:16
about dethroning the Ming emperor
45:18
and seizing that title for
45:20
himself. But
45:22
instead, King Sonjo and his courtiers
45:24
concluded that this letter was so
45:27
rude, impetuous, and lacking in decorum
45:29
that it should not be taken
45:31
seriously. The Koreans
45:34
still did not even understand
45:36
Toyotomi's role in the Japanese
45:38
government, which to be
45:40
fair was super convoluted. As
45:44
far as they were concerned, this guy
45:46
was a nobody who hadn't
45:48
paid close enough attention in letter-writing
45:50
class. Neo-Confucians
45:52
really cared about
45:54
letter-writing class. fared
46:01
only slightly better in that he
46:03
was able to impress on at
46:05
least some members of the Korean
46:07
court that Hideyoshi needed to be
46:09
handled delicately. So
46:11
King Sanjo agreed to send a
46:13
diplomatic mission to Kyoto to take
46:16
the measure of Toyotomi Hideyoshi. Now
46:19
Hideyoshi had asked his emissary
46:22
to get the Koreans to
46:24
send a tribute mission to
46:26
formally offer their submission. He
46:30
was expecting a member of the
46:32
royal household. If not the
46:34
king, then at least a royal prince or
46:36
maybe one of the king's brothers. He
46:39
wanted someone of that rank
46:41
to come to Japan and
46:44
formally submit to his overlord
46:46
ship. It
46:49
seems that the Japanese emissary, understanding
46:51
that the Koreans would have rejected
46:53
that out of hand, softened
46:55
the demand considerably once he got
46:57
to the Korean court. So
47:00
the delegation sent by King Sanjo
47:03
was sent to Kyoto with no
47:05
plans to submit to the Japanese.
47:08
They were there just to open
47:10
up friendly communication. To
47:13
do this, Sanjo sent two
47:15
mid-ranking court officials, one
47:18
from the Eastern faction and one
47:20
from the Western faction. Their
47:24
trip to Japan ended up being its
47:26
own kind of debacle. Toyotomi
47:29
Hideyoshi was annoyed and insulted
47:31
that the Koreans had sent
47:33
what he perceived to be
47:35
two low-ranking courtiers. He
47:38
wanted a royal prince. So
47:42
Hideyoshi decided to pull some power
47:44
moves. First, he
47:47
kept the delegation waiting for four
47:49
months. When he
47:51
finally received the Koreans, instead
47:53
of throwing the expected lavish
47:55
banquet, he served the delegates
47:57
some basic rice cakes And. A
48:00
modest serving of rice, wine, Now.
48:04
To. The neo confucian Koreans who had
48:06
spent their life mastering bank with at
48:08
A Kiss. This was a
48:10
scandal and a mockery of decorum.
48:14
Things got even more shocking
48:16
when Hideo Sheath suddenly left
48:18
the hall in the middle
48:20
of the meal and returned
48:22
wearing informal closing. Okay,
48:25
Now I know that may not sound
48:27
like a big deal, but think of
48:29
it like this: Imagine you were visiting
48:31
of the White House for a state
48:33
dinner. And half way through
48:35
the President leaves the room and
48:38
comes back and wearing a hoodie
48:40
as some sweatpants. If.
48:42
You were dressed in a tuxedo.
48:45
You. Might think this feels kind of weird.
48:48
Were. Told that he the oh she
48:51
was then handed his baby and
48:53
walked around the room casually in
48:55
till the baby peed on him.
48:58
Kid. He or she had a good
49:00
laugh about this. Handed the baby off
49:02
to one of his many nannies, left
49:05
the room and never came back. The
49:08
Korean delegates were beside themselves
49:11
totally shocked. He
49:13
the oh she seems to have been
49:15
making the point that he didn't need
49:17
to stand on ceremony for any one.
49:19
he could do what he wanted. Like
49:21
Lyndon Johnson taking a meeting while he
49:24
sitting on the toilet with ever heard
49:26
that story. Who knows? That might be
49:28
historical mess, but that's a story that's
49:30
out there. But
49:34
interestingly, The to curry
49:36
and delegates ended up making
49:38
two very different assessments of
49:40
all of this. When.
49:43
Those two men returned to Korea and made
49:45
their reports to King's son Joe and the
49:47
rest of the court. They. Told
49:49
two very different tales
49:51
and because the to
49:54
ambassadors were from two
49:56
different political factions. The.
49:58
issue became pull politicized
50:01
Samuel Hawley summarizes it like this
50:04
quote The Western faction
50:06
member described Hideyoshi as having the
50:08
piercing eyes of a man of
50:11
resourcefulness and daring He
50:13
seemed fully prepared to start a war
50:15
the ambassador said and posed a great
50:17
danger to Korea the
50:20
Easterner strongly disagreed Hideyoshi
50:23
had the eyes of a rat He
50:25
countered and he was not to be
50:27
overly feared He did not
50:29
pose a danger and would not start a
50:31
war there was in short
50:34
no pressing need to take defensive
50:36
measures With the balance
50:38
of power in the capital now swinging
50:40
back in the Easterners favor The
50:43
assessment made by the Eastern
50:45
ambassador was afforded the most
50:47
weight end quote I'm
50:51
Sure, you could imagine what would happen
50:53
if one of the major political parties
50:56
in your country Refused
50:58
to acknowledge the potential severity
51:00
of a looming threat Even
51:03
if that political faction didn't have
51:06
complete control of every level of
51:08
government They could still make
51:10
it hard to address the issue in
51:12
a fulsome way in Korea
51:16
in the late 16th century
51:18
this meant that war preparations
51:20
were uneven and hampered by
51:22
political gridlock Eventually
51:26
after months some within the
51:28
Eastern faction Finally conceded that
51:31
maybe a small attack was
51:33
coming and some preparations needed
51:35
to be made So
51:39
in the southern provinces conscription was
51:41
tightened up key southern
51:43
towns were Refortified and new walls
51:45
were built on top of that arsenals
51:48
were restocked and weapons
51:51
were distributed Now
51:54
this is where one of our key
51:56
Korean sources comes in the
51:58
so-called book of corrections
52:00
by Yu Song-Yong. As
52:03
the title of that book suggests, it's
52:06
all about what the Joseon Kingdom should
52:08
have done differently in 1592 and
52:10
beyond. Now,
52:12
as I mentioned earlier, in
52:14
that book the author expresses regret
52:17
and even admits his own
52:19
mistakes. But
52:22
one can't help but notice that
52:24
he still comes out looking pretty
52:26
good. You see,
52:28
the author, who I'll just be calling
52:31
you moving forward, had
52:33
been a lifelong government official. One
52:36
of those guys who passed the
52:38
Confucian exam and entered the prestigious
52:40
world of public service. Over
52:43
the course of his career, he held
52:45
many different positions. But
52:48
in 1591, on the eve of
52:50
the Japanese invasion, he was elevated
52:52
to the influential position of Minister
52:55
of the Left. This
52:57
made him like the second most
52:59
important advisor to the king. Now,
53:03
despite the fact that Yu was
53:05
aligned with the Eastern faction, he
53:08
tells us that he broke with
53:11
the party line and started to
53:13
advocate for improvements to Korean defenses.
53:17
He also started advocating at court
53:19
for the one military official who
53:21
seemed to be capable and had
53:23
a clear understanding of the threat
53:25
that was on their doorstep. Yi
53:29
Sun Shin. It
53:31
didn't hurt that Yi and
53:33
Yu had been childhood
53:35
friends. Now,
53:39
my thick history spidey sense tingles
53:41
a little bit when a memoir
53:44
writer claims that on the eve
53:46
of war, the only
53:48
two people who really understood what
53:50
was going on were him and
53:52
his best friend. But
53:55
I have no facts that contradict
53:57
that version of events, so... That's
54:01
what we have. But
54:04
finally this brings us to the man
54:06
of the hour, Admiral
54:08
Yi Sun-shin. Yi
54:12
Sun-shin was born in Seoul in 1545, and
54:14
a quick word on that
54:19
place name. In
54:21
this period Seoul was
54:23
technically called Han-sung or
54:26
Han-yang. However, in
54:28
the middle of the Joseon period,
54:31
Koreans started informally calling the city
54:33
Seoul. Eventually that
54:35
name would entirely eclipse the
54:38
old formal titles. So
54:41
for the rest of the series I'm
54:43
gonna use the name Seoul for the
54:45
capital city, as it's the name that
54:47
most people are familiar with. But
54:50
I need to recognize that we're in
54:52
a bit of a historical gray area
54:54
where the city was known by a
54:56
few different names. Okay,
54:59
so Yi Sun-shin was born
55:01
in Seoul into a noble
55:04
but not particularly wealthy family.
55:07
The story goes that Yi demonstrated
55:09
a certain genius at a young
55:11
age, and his parents hoped that
55:13
he would train for the civil
55:15
service exams. This of
55:18
course would set him on the
55:20
path towards a prestigious career as
55:22
a government administrator. But
55:24
much to his parents' dismay,
55:26
Yi Sun-shin chose instead to
55:28
pursue a career in the
55:30
military, which at the time
55:32
was considered a more humble calling
55:35
for someone born into the Korean
55:37
upper crust. Often
55:39
this is presented as a
55:41
principled decision on the part
55:43
of young Yi, as
55:45
he chose the path of
55:47
sacrifice and service rather than
55:50
the path of personal prestige
55:52
and comfort. Now
55:54
I cannot contradict this version of events,
55:56
but let me tell you some things
55:58
I've learned about the Korean military
56:00
in this period. The
56:03
officer corps in this period
56:05
often attracted the less talented
56:07
children from aristocratic families. If
56:11
you had a son who
56:13
had a hard time passing
56:15
the rigorous civil service exam,
56:17
the Army or the Navy
56:19
were face-saving second choices. Like
56:23
the civil service, to become an
56:25
officer in the Korean military, you
56:27
needed to pass an exam that
56:29
was based on the Chinese military
56:31
classics like Sun Tzu's Art of
56:33
War. This was
56:36
also supplemented with a display
56:38
of flashy horsemanship. So
56:41
you ended up getting a
56:43
crop of aristocratic officers for
56:45
whom the military was a
56:47
second choice. They
56:49
loved riding horses, but their
56:52
knowledge of combat came entirely
56:54
from centuries old Chinese texts.
56:58
Now our sources tell us
57:00
that Yi Sun Shin was absolutely
57:02
not one of
57:04
these spoiled fail sons. However,
57:07
some historians suspect that given the
57:09
fact that all the sources agree
57:11
that Yi Sun Shin came from
57:13
a less wealthy aristocratic family, he
57:16
may have pursued a career in the
57:18
military because his family could not afford
57:21
the years of private tutelage one
57:23
needed to pass the civil service exam.
57:27
So the road to the top
57:29
was rocky for young Yi. He
57:32
was not immediately successful in his attempt
57:34
to join the officer corps. We're
57:37
told that during his first exam
57:39
he fell from his horse during
57:42
the horsemanship section and badly
57:44
broke his leg. Now
57:47
the story goes that after this
57:49
tragic fall Yi got up,
57:51
limped towards a nearby willow
57:53
tree, grabbed some fallen
57:56
branches, and crafted for himself
57:58
an improvised leg splint.
58:01
With his leg splinted with
58:03
tree branches, he then remounted
58:05
his horse and finished the
58:07
exam. Despite
58:10
this superhuman act of determination,
58:13
the fall still cost him
58:15
a passing grade. Now,
58:19
what do we do with a story like this? Seems
58:22
a little exaggerated. Samuel
58:25
Hawley includes the story of the
58:27
fall from the horse in his
58:29
history, but he leaves
58:31
out the detail about the
58:33
improvised splint. Kenneth
58:35
Swope doesn't even touch this
58:38
story. I
58:40
learned this story after scouring
58:42
the internet for tales about
58:45
Admiral Yee. In all
58:47
of the more sober-minded histories I
58:49
read, this story was simply missing.
58:53
It's one of those stories that seems
58:56
like a myth, so
58:58
historians just leave it out.
59:01
But they also don't spend
59:03
any time disproving it, so
59:06
once again, take it or leave it. From
59:11
there, we're told that the
59:13
determined young Yee Sun Shin
59:15
returned home, sealed his
59:17
wounds, and started the process all
59:19
over again. He
59:22
passed the exam on his second attempt,
59:24
but by that point he was already
59:27
31 years old, which was
59:29
considered a rather advanced age to
59:31
be starting a military career. For
59:35
the next 15 years, Yee
59:37
found himself unable to ascend beyond
59:40
the middle ranks of the officer
59:42
corps. The reason,
59:44
we're told, was that he
59:46
was too honest and too
59:48
averse to corruption. Getting
59:51
ahead in the 16th century Korean
59:53
military meant getting involved with a
59:55
clique of influential friends, occasionally
59:58
bribing a superior and
1:00:00
throwing a rival under the bus whenever you
1:00:02
could. Yi Sun-shin,
1:00:05
we're told, was simply too
1:00:07
upstanding to play this game.
1:00:11
So for years this courageous,
1:00:13
bright, and incorruptible officer was
1:00:15
stuck in the middle ranks
1:00:17
as he was constantly getting
1:00:19
blocked by more cunning but
1:00:22
less capable rivals. Things
1:00:25
finally changed on the eve of the
1:00:28
Great East Asian War. When
1:00:30
Yu Sung-young became the Minister of
1:00:32
the Left, he recommended
1:00:35
his childhood friend be promoted
1:00:37
to the lofty position of
1:00:39
Commander of the Chola Left
1:00:41
Navy. At
1:00:44
the time, most Korean coastal
1:00:46
provinces had four key military
1:00:48
commands. Right Army, Left
1:00:51
Army, Right Navy,
1:00:53
and Left Navy. The
1:00:56
Chola Province was on the
1:00:58
strategically important southwest coast of
1:01:01
the Korean Peninsula. The
1:01:03
Chola navies, both left and
1:01:06
right, were going to be
1:01:08
essential in resisting any Japanese
1:01:10
attack. So being
1:01:12
the commander of the Chola
1:01:15
Left Navy was a huge
1:01:17
promotion. It very quickly
1:01:20
made the now Admiral Yi, one
1:01:22
of the most important people in
1:01:24
the Korean military. Ironically,
1:01:27
the man whose career had
1:01:29
been defined by a principled
1:01:31
rejection of nepotism was
1:01:34
rocketed to the top because
1:01:36
of a well-connected and influential
1:01:38
friend. Life's funny
1:01:40
like that, I suppose. But
1:01:44
Yi took this command quite
1:01:46
seriously and quickly set about
1:01:48
repairing, refitting, and in some
1:01:50
cases commissioning new builds for
1:01:52
the Chola Left Navy. More
1:01:55
on that later. In
1:01:58
the haphazard preparations for the Japanese
1:02:00
attack, Yi distinguished himself
1:02:02
as one of the few people
1:02:04
who understood the scope of the
1:02:06
threat. He correctly
1:02:09
assessed Korea's strengths and
1:02:11
weaknesses and planned accordingly.
1:02:14
Now, interestingly, in 1592,
1:02:17
the Korean Navy was easily
1:02:19
the best equipped and most
1:02:21
formidable wing of Korea's armed
1:02:23
forces. In the decades
1:02:25
leading up to the war, one
1:02:27
of the most persistent threats to
1:02:29
Korea's security had been pirate raids
1:02:32
carried out by groups known as
1:02:34
the Wako Pirates, who were based
1:02:36
out of Japanese ports and thrived
1:02:38
during the chaos of Japan's civil
1:02:40
wars. One
1:02:42
of the ways that Korea had been
1:02:44
dealing with this pirate threat was by
1:02:47
building a fairly impressive navy. The
1:02:50
Korean coast was a famously challenging
1:02:52
place to sail, with high
1:02:55
winds, strong tides, and many hidden
1:02:57
rocks and shoals close to shore.
1:03:01
This meant that over the
1:03:03
centuries, Korean shipbuilding had favored
1:03:05
sturdy vessels, stable in rough
1:03:07
seas, with thickly built wooden
1:03:09
hulls. The gem
1:03:11
of this fleet were the
1:03:14
Pankosan warships, thick
1:03:16
hulled vessels powered by both
1:03:18
oars and sails and armed
1:03:20
with a huge variety of
1:03:22
cannon. This was
1:03:24
especially important. Once
1:03:27
again, we get a really
1:03:30
interesting parallel here between this
1:03:32
conflict and the nearly contemporaneous
1:03:34
Anglo-Spanish War. As
1:03:37
you might remember from those Spanish
1:03:39
Armada episodes, in 1588,
1:03:41
the Spanish favored a type of
1:03:44
naval warfare that involved getting close
1:03:46
to enemy ships and then boarding
1:03:48
them, whereas the English
1:03:50
focused on gunnery that gave
1:03:53
them better range. The
1:03:55
same dynamic played out between the
1:03:58
Japanese and the Koreans. The
1:04:00
Japanese used their warships like
1:04:02
giant platforms on which they
1:04:04
could fight land battles at
1:04:06
sea. Their tactics
1:04:08
involved getting close to the enemy,
1:04:11
boarding the vessels, and then killing
1:04:13
as many sailors as they could.
1:04:16
Sinking the ships was of
1:04:18
secondary importance. The
1:04:20
Koreans, on the other hand, were
1:04:22
all about the firepower. Their
1:04:25
ships were equipped with a huge number
1:04:27
of cannon that could blast their enemy
1:04:29
from a distance. For
1:04:32
the Koreans, killing sailors was
1:04:34
secondary to sinking ships. But
1:04:38
while the Koreans had the Japanese
1:04:40
outgunned at sea, the opposite
1:04:42
was true on land. By
1:04:46
1592, the Japanese had
1:04:48
fully incorporated the arquebus into
1:04:50
their military. These
1:04:52
were expertly crafted at Japanese muskets
1:04:55
that had been based on an
1:04:57
earlier Portuguese design. The
1:05:00
arquebus had been key to the
1:05:02
unification of Japan, and the
1:05:04
commanders tapped by Hideyoshi to lead the invasion
1:05:06
of Korea had become
1:05:08
masters of using peasant units,
1:05:11
or ashigaru, armed
1:05:13
with arquebuses as shock troops.
1:05:17
The Koreans had gunpowder weapons,
1:05:20
mostly in the form of
1:05:22
stationary cannon, but the
1:05:24
arquebus and handheld firearms in
1:05:26
general were still quite
1:05:28
new in Korea. The
1:05:31
Korean army was still largely
1:05:33
armed with the traditional swords,
1:05:35
pikes, and bows and arrows.
1:05:39
The Japanese were coming with
1:05:41
guns. Okay,
1:05:44
so let's take a quick break
1:05:46
here, and when we return, we'll
1:05:48
get into the first phase of
1:05:50
the Japanese onslaught. Thank
1:06:00
you. On
1:06:34
May 23rd, 1592, the
1:06:37
Japanese arrived in Korea.
1:06:40
Even the most stubborn, there
1:06:43
will be no war, Easterners,
1:06:45
had accepted that something was coming. But
1:06:48
no one in Korea could imagine
1:06:50
the size and scope of the
1:06:52
invasion force that arrived that May.
1:06:56
The Japanese launched their invasion
1:06:58
from the island of Tsushima,
1:07:00
a Japanese-aligned midway point between
1:07:02
the main Japanese islands and
1:07:05
the Korean mainland. The
1:07:09
Japanese force would eventually number over 150,000 Japanese
1:07:11
soldiers. But the initial wave was around a
1:07:13
third of that. They
1:07:21
came in a fleet of
1:07:23
around 700 transport vessels. Once
1:07:27
again, if you needed more evidence that
1:07:29
this event was super important, and
1:07:32
maybe that the Spanish Armada episode
1:07:34
was a little overblown, well,
1:07:37
the Spanish Armada, which gets
1:07:39
described as an impossibly huge
1:07:41
fleet of ships, consisted of
1:07:43
roughly 130 ships. Just
1:07:48
four years later, Toyotomi Hideyoshi
1:07:51
put together 700 vessels
1:07:53
for his campaign. Now,
1:07:56
to be clear, this Japanese Armada was a very, very, very
1:07:59
important part of the war. not made up of 700
1:08:01
warships. Most of
1:08:04
these ships were small enough to pass as
1:08:06
fishing boats. A huge
1:08:08
number of these vessels were only
1:08:10
armed with the handheld arquebuses carried
1:08:12
by the soldiers that they were
1:08:14
ferrying across. In fact, the
1:08:17
Japanese commanders had been ordered by
1:08:19
Hideyoshi to wait for a fleet
1:08:22
of Japanese warships to join them
1:08:24
as an escort. But
1:08:26
the commanders, eager for glory
1:08:29
and convinced that the Koreans were not going to be
1:08:31
able to act fast enough to stop them, made
1:08:34
a huge gamble and attempted the
1:08:36
crossing to the Korean coastal city
1:08:39
of Busan, virtually undefended. This
1:08:42
also gives you a sense of just how independent-minded
1:08:45
these Japanese daimyo continued
1:08:47
to be despite being
1:08:49
sworn to Toyotomi Hideyoshi.
1:08:53
Now, this is one of the great
1:08:55
what-if moments of the war. If
1:08:58
the Korean Navy, specifically the
1:09:00
left and right navies of
1:09:02
the Kyung-Sang Province, had acted
1:09:04
quickly and attacked these Japanese
1:09:06
transports while they were at
1:09:08
sea, they likely would
1:09:11
have blown hundreds of ships
1:09:13
out of the water and
1:09:15
severely blunted the initial Japanese
1:09:17
attack. But that
1:09:19
is not what happened. The
1:09:24
two navy commanders of Kyung-Sang
1:09:26
Province, Pak Hong and
1:09:29
Won Kyun, had between
1:09:31
them around 150 heavy Pankosan battleships. But
1:09:37
when the mass of Japanese vessels
1:09:39
appeared through the fog on that
1:09:42
day, they panicked. Now,
1:09:45
to be fair, the Koreans
1:09:47
looked outnumbered, but these
1:09:50
commanders didn't consider just how
1:09:52
vulnerable the Japanese truly were.
1:09:56
So, the Korean ships stayed
1:09:58
in port while the The commanders
1:10:00
sent frantic messages for
1:10:02
help. As
1:10:05
such, the Japanese were able to
1:10:07
land without any interference from the
1:10:09
Korean Navy. They
1:10:11
then stormed the fortified town of
1:10:14
Busan. Records
1:10:16
show that this initial fight was one
1:10:18
of the bloodiest and most intensely contested
1:10:20
of the early part of the war.
1:10:23
The newly reinforced Korean
1:10:25
defenses certainly helped, but
1:10:27
the Japanese possessed a
1:10:30
distinct technological advantage. Put
1:10:33
simply, the Korean defenders were
1:10:35
shooting arrows at Japanese soldiers
1:10:38
armed with muskets. The
1:10:41
masses of Ashi Garu, the
1:10:43
peasant archibossiers, proved to
1:10:45
be a more lethal military unit than
1:10:48
anything the Koreans had encountered in
1:10:50
the past two centuries. Within
1:10:53
a matter of hours, the walls of
1:10:55
Busan had been breached. By
1:10:58
the end of the day, the
1:11:00
seemingly formidable Busan Castle was
1:11:02
in the hands of the Japanese. The
1:11:06
commander of the Kyo-sung Left Navy,
1:11:08
Pak Hong, was so shaken by
1:11:11
this that he made a
1:11:13
decision so short-sighted
1:11:15
and disastrous, it's
1:11:18
hard to fully understand. Even
1:11:21
in a situation where it seems like
1:11:23
engaging in a fight would be futile,
1:11:26
the next logical thing to do would be
1:11:28
to take your fleet out to sea and
1:11:30
try and make a run for it. Sail
1:11:34
to safer waters, wait to
1:11:36
fight another day. Pak
1:11:39
Hong did not do that. Instead,
1:11:43
assuming that all was lost,
1:11:45
he ordered that his entire
1:11:47
fleet, the whole Kyo-sung
1:11:50
Left Navy, roughly a
1:11:52
hundred vessels, be scuttled.
1:11:55
That means deconstructed,
1:11:58
Stripped of valuables. And in
1:12:00
some cases sunk. He
1:12:03
then had all his weapons destroyed so they
1:12:05
wouldn't fall into the hands of the enemy.
1:12:08
Then. Pack. Hong got
1:12:10
on his horse and deserted
1:12:13
his command. Roughly.
1:12:15
A quarter of the entire
1:12:17
career Navy's was destroyed just
1:12:20
like that. By. One
1:12:22
spooked commander. The.
1:12:25
Commander of the right Navy one
1:12:27
children didn't do much better. After
1:12:32
he received a report about the
1:12:34
fall of Pusan, and the scuttling
1:12:36
of the left navy. He.
1:12:38
Chose to leave his base and sale
1:12:40
to see for waters. Okay,
1:12:43
reasonable. But. Then
1:12:45
he came across a group of
1:12:47
fishing boats that he accidentally mistook
1:12:49
for the Japanese fleet. So
1:12:52
he panicked and ordered this his
1:12:54
fleet be scuttled. Most.
1:12:56
Of his ships were destroyed
1:12:58
in a self inflicted wound.
1:13:01
Until. One of his subordinates
1:13:03
convinced him that the flagship and
1:13:06
three other vessels should be saved
1:13:08
and the he should remain in
1:13:10
command, less to be hunted as
1:13:13
a traitorous desert are. Seeing.
1:13:15
The wisdom in this one son
1:13:18
took the advice. So.
1:13:20
It was that the Qian
1:13:22
Sang right navy was reduced
1:13:24
from around fifty warships to
1:13:27
exactly for. Remember.
1:13:30
That name one soon because he's
1:13:32
going to come back. In fact,
1:13:34
many accounts present him as the
1:13:37
N Years soon. Shin. He.
1:13:39
Would remain as a thorn in
1:13:41
the side of the one that
1:13:44
capable Korean admiral. Luckily.
1:13:47
Use. And Sin and the
1:13:50
Tula right? Navy Commander Ye
1:13:52
Oak T still had the
1:13:54
toll on Navy's intact. But.
1:13:57
Now they were on the back. The.
1:14:00
Best plan was to bide
1:14:02
their time and strike when
1:14:04
the Japanese now convinced that
1:14:06
the Korean navy was nonexistent.
1:14:09
With. Least expected. After.
1:14:13
The Japanese established a beachhead
1:14:15
in Blue Son in occupied
1:14:17
one of careers largest coastal
1:14:19
towns. Things. Moved
1:14:21
fast, Eventually
1:14:23
there would be many di meo
1:14:26
commanding forces in Korea. But.
1:14:28
The two Japanese commanders leading
1:14:30
the charge from both sides
1:14:32
north toward Soul were. Called.
1:14:35
Nishi you can Naga
1:14:37
and keto kielbasa. For.
1:14:39
Simplicity sakes, I will just be
1:14:42
calling them Connie, Sheath and Keto.
1:14:46
The dynamic between these two
1:14:48
guys really underscores that Japan
1:14:50
had not been unified for
1:14:52
very long. These
1:14:55
were rival di meo who
1:14:57
controlled each of their contingents
1:14:59
like personal futile armies. Because.
1:15:02
In practice. They. Were
1:15:04
essentially personal futile Armies.
1:15:08
Both. Men were hungry for glory
1:15:10
and deeply resentful when they felt
1:15:13
like the rival had snatched away
1:15:15
their chance to win some battlefield
1:15:17
honor. City.
1:15:19
Oh, She had told his commanders
1:15:22
to work in concert and move
1:15:24
as a united front through the
1:15:26
Korean Peninsula. But. Cooney
1:15:29
See and Tito quickly found
1:15:31
themselves locked in a race
1:15:33
northward. Each time
1:15:35
he wanted to have the
1:15:37
distinction of being the Japanese
1:15:39
commander who entered Soul First.
1:15:43
Know. This sounds like a
1:15:45
recipe for disaster and may
1:15:47
have been. Had the
1:15:49
Koreans been better prepared and
1:15:51
not so brutally outgunned by
1:15:54
the Japanese muskets. Over.
1:15:56
The course of the next week. Many.
1:15:59
of the recently Only re-fortified fortress towns
1:16:01
in the south of Korea fell
1:16:04
much in the same way as Busan.
1:16:07
Despite the best efforts of the
1:16:09
newly-mustard Korean soldiers, these towns were
1:16:12
overrun and thousands were put to
1:16:14
the sword. As
1:16:17
you may or may not know, Korea
1:16:19
is a mountainous country. The
1:16:22
realities of this physical geography means that
1:16:24
it can be a challenging place to
1:16:27
move around with an army. In
1:16:29
the 16th century, there were only
1:16:32
a handful of good roads that
1:16:34
could take an army through the
1:16:36
many valleys and mountain passes that
1:16:38
led north. This
1:16:40
makes the speed of the Japanese
1:16:42
Progress North all the more
1:16:44
remarkable. By June 6,
1:16:47
the forces of Keto and Konishi
1:16:49
had made it through the so-called
1:16:52
Bird Pass – a tight
1:16:54
mountain pass about 130 kilometers south of Seoul. The
1:16:59
last formidable geographic barrier between
1:17:01
the Japanese Vanguard and the
1:17:03
capital was the Han River.
1:17:06
So it was there, near the town
1:17:08
of Chungju, that the Korean army
1:17:11
made a stand. This
1:17:13
would be remembered as the Battle of Chungju.
1:17:17
The Koreans were commanded by General
1:17:19
Sin Ip, whose battle
1:17:22
strategy that day has been
1:17:24
brutally criticized ever since. Normally,
1:17:29
if you're a defender and
1:17:31
you have a river that you can
1:17:34
use in your defense, you
1:17:37
keep that river between you
1:17:39
and your enemy. Make
1:17:41
the enemy cross the river.
1:17:45
Crossing a river is hard to
1:17:47
do and makes the enemy vulnerable.
1:17:51
But, Sin Ip, on
1:17:53
the other hand, chose to array
1:17:55
his army on the side of the
1:17:57
Han River closest to the
1:18:00
to the Japanese. The
1:18:02
Korean Army had the river at
1:18:05
their back. That
1:18:07
meant that if they needed to retreat, they
1:18:10
were going into the river. This
1:18:13
type of positioning has been called a
1:18:15
death trap. But
1:18:18
Samuel Hawley has argued that
1:18:20
while Synip's choices ultimately did no
1:18:22
favors for the Korean Army,
1:18:25
they need to be understood in
1:18:27
the context of the Chinese
1:18:29
military classics that Korean officers
1:18:31
had spent their life studying.
1:18:35
You see, Synip was working
1:18:37
with a small group of what
1:18:40
might be called regular soldiers, and
1:18:43
a larger force that was made
1:18:45
up of farmers and shopkeepers who
1:18:47
had been hastily recruited and barely
1:18:50
trained. This
1:18:52
was not an ideal force. Recently
1:18:55
drafted, farmers had a reputation
1:18:57
for running once the battle
1:18:59
was on. In
1:19:02
certain situations, these Chinese battle
1:19:04
manuals that all the Korean
1:19:06
officers read recommended
1:19:09
fighting with the river at your
1:19:11
back. While
1:19:14
the famous Chinese military mind Sun
1:19:16
Tzu normally recommended keeping the
1:19:19
water in front of you, he
1:19:22
also says of a green
1:19:24
and unreliable army, quote,
1:19:27
drive them into a fatal position
1:19:29
and they will come out alive,
1:19:32
end quote. The
1:19:35
idea is that if your ragtag
1:19:37
army has nowhere to run, they
1:19:39
will stand and fight because
1:19:42
their lives literally depend on
1:19:44
it. This
1:19:46
tactic famously worked for the
1:19:48
Chinese general Han Sin many
1:19:50
centuries earlier. Samuel
1:19:53
Hawley has argued, and
1:19:55
his critic Kenneth Swope has conceded
1:19:57
that it's probable, But
1:20:00
Sin-Ip knew all about the
1:20:02
history of this somewhat obscure
1:20:04
battle tactic from his deep
1:20:06
reading of the Chinese texts.
1:20:11
Now, this is a
1:20:13
perfect example of what can go wrong
1:20:15
when you make military training all
1:20:18
about theory and reading the
1:20:20
classics. An
1:20:22
inflexibly Confucian approach
1:20:25
produces guys like
1:20:27
Sin-Ip who come
1:20:29
up with plans like these. Now,
1:20:32
I'm going to speculate a little bit here,
1:20:35
so forgive me. But I
1:20:38
think that this is the kind of
1:20:40
battle plan that would have got you
1:20:42
a good grade if you wrote a
1:20:44
paper about it in your Confucian military
1:20:46
school. I say this
1:20:48
as a teacher. I kind of
1:20:50
know how teachers think, I am a
1:20:52
teacher. Teachers
1:20:55
love it when their students use
1:20:57
an obscure historical example, demonstrate
1:21:00
some deep reading, and come
1:21:02
up with a creative interpretation
1:21:05
of the texts we're looking
1:21:07
at in class. If
1:21:10
this battle was presented as a
1:21:12
hypothetical situation by a 16th
1:21:15
century Korean military examiner and
1:21:18
Sin-Ip presented this river to
1:21:20
the back solution, he
1:21:23
might have been praised for
1:21:25
going beyond the surface level
1:21:27
and demonstrating a deep knowledge
1:21:29
of the Chinese classics. Well
1:21:32
done, Sin-Ip. You did your
1:21:34
homework. In
1:21:37
practice, this was a
1:21:39
horrific disaster for the Koreans.
1:21:43
If the river made the fresh
1:21:45
recruits fight any harder, it
1:21:48
didn't matter in the face of
1:21:50
Japanese arquebuses. The battle
1:21:52
quickly turned into a massacre. This
1:21:57
seems like a good time to point out that while
1:21:59
we're being critical of the Korean
1:22:02
military leadership here, we
1:22:04
need to remember that the Koreans
1:22:07
were the victim of an unprovoked
1:22:09
attack. They did
1:22:11
not ask for this. They did
1:22:13
not deserve this. But
1:22:15
man, Sin Epp, River to
1:22:17
the back? Come on, dude. When
1:22:22
news reached the capital of the
1:22:24
disastrous battle, King Son
1:22:26
Jo and his retinue fled
1:22:29
the city. This
1:22:31
was not a popular
1:22:33
move among average Koreans.
1:22:37
We're told that the disgusted residents
1:22:39
of Seoul loudly taunted their fleeing
1:22:41
king as he made his way
1:22:43
out of the city. The
1:22:46
very public and deeply depressing
1:22:48
flight of the king led
1:22:51
to an angry bout of nihilistic
1:22:53
looting by the people of Seoul.
1:22:57
The first few weeks of the
1:22:59
Japanese invasion had been incredibly destructive.
1:23:02
But by the time the Japanese got to
1:23:04
Seoul, they discovered that
1:23:06
many buildings had already been
1:23:08
burnt by the rioting Koreans,
1:23:11
disgusted by the failure of the
1:23:13
Joseon dynasty to protect them. By
1:23:17
June 11, just five days after
1:23:19
the Battle of Chungju, the
1:23:22
Japanese had taken the capital.
1:23:25
Konishi ended up beating Kato to
1:23:27
the gates by just a few
1:23:29
hours. They had
1:23:31
only encountered minimal resistance from
1:23:33
a handful of Korean contingents
1:23:35
who felt honor bound to
1:23:37
die defending Seoul. Seoul,
1:23:40
the capital of the Joseon dynasty, was
1:23:43
now in the hands of the Japanese.
1:23:47
The next stop was the
1:23:49
old northern capital of Pyongyang.
1:23:52
But in the mad dash to take Seoul,
1:23:55
the Japanese had largely ignored
1:23:58
the southwestern Chola province. and
1:24:01
Admiral Yi's naval bases. This
1:24:04
would prove to be a
1:24:06
deadly miscalculation. The
1:24:09
start of the Imjin year had
1:24:11
been a disaster for the Koreans,
1:24:14
but Admiral Yi was about to change
1:24:16
things. Korea
1:24:18
was in desperate need of a
1:24:21
military man who knew what he
1:24:23
was doing. Luckily
1:24:25
for them, they had been sleeping
1:24:28
on one of history's
1:24:30
greatest naval geniuses. The
1:24:33
Korean Navy was about
1:24:35
to strike back. Okay,
1:24:40
that's all for this week. Join
1:24:43
us again in two weeks time
1:24:45
when we will conclude our trilogy
1:24:47
on the Great East Asian War.
1:24:49
I have a feeling
1:24:51
that part three is gonna be a
1:24:53
meaty one, so look forward to that.
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