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The other day, I got a Mizzum with Planet

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So I understand you have a story about

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old friend and ballroom dancing partner

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from college. He was a guest on

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a show we did about free range

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chickens, being eaten

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by Eagles. Jeff's job,

1:08

you may remember, was shooting off these

1:10

explosives to scare the Eagles

1:12

away and make them ruin less products,

1:14

so to speak. And

1:18

there they go. Did you see on

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the backside actually? There goes one right

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now. Okay. We can move them with the

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bird bangers. And when you were listening,

1:27

you know, were you feeling butterflies? I

1:32

think I was more so feeling intrigued

1:35

because his life was so different from

1:37

mine. I was sitting

1:40

in an office, writing

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code to do optimization functions.

1:45

And he's out in a field, you know,

1:48

trying to navigate this bald eagle population

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problem. And then few weeks later,

1:53

Rachel says, you know what? Why not reach

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out? Sounds of a text. I think the

1:57

text said nothing

1:59

more than hey, I I heard

2:02

you on planet money. Hope you're doing

2:04

well. So not a ton of content

2:06

to go off of. It would

2:08

be so weird if he was, like, do a

2:10

phone who dissed. Thankfully,

2:15

I felt confident that he still had my phone

2:17

number. For Rachel and Jeff,

2:19

that one text turned into

2:21

more text, those turned into

2:23

calls, and then She

2:25

went to visit the chicken farm in Georgia.

2:27

I had no idea what was going

2:29

to happen when I flew to Georgia. I just

2:32

more so thought it would be an adventure and a great

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story. Which turns out it was,

2:37

and it led to this

2:39

amazing relationship that I

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have, a a planet money baby, who

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was born twelve weeks ago. Baby. And

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you have a newborn

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kid, congratulations. Clint. Money

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baby. That's crazy. Yeah.

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His name is NOx Frederick, and

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he's adorable. Oh

2:55

my god. Congratulations. Thanks.

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Hello, and welcome to Planet Money. I'm Nick

3:02

Fountain. Today, we're gonna

3:04

take Rachel's example. We're gonna reach

3:06

out to guests from Planet Money's past,

3:08

and see how they're doing. Because

3:10

even though we publish people's stories,

3:13

we write these nice tidy endings,

3:15

It's not like the stories end when

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we stop recording. No. No. No.

3:19

They keep going. And so

3:21

we owe it to the people of the stories

3:23

and to our listeners. To

3:26

check back in, see what's happened

3:28

since. It's our annual tradition,

3:30

a show we call the rest

3:33

of the story.

3:47

Of the many stories we published

3:49

this past year, maybe the ones with the most

3:51

at stake were those that

3:53

touched on the war in Ukraine. One

3:55

of those episodes was about a CEO who

3:58

horrified by the Russian aggression in Ukraine

4:00

decided to try to get her employees out

4:02

of

4:02

Russia. The reporter on that story

4:04

was Amanda Aronczyk. Hey, Amanda?

4:07

Hey there, Nick. How's it going? Pretty well.

4:09

Alright. So you talked with the CEO

4:11

again to get an update. Remind us

4:13

her name? Well, we didn't actually

4:16

say her name at the time. Because

4:18

we had to keep it a secret. When

4:20

we first spoke, we were very careful

4:22

to not use your name. We didn't use your company's

4:24

name. What what changed?

4:27

Well,

4:29

first of all, we were able to finally get

4:32

everyone out who was going to get

4:34

out. So that's the main reason. Right?

4:36

Because we didn't want to risk

4:38

naming the name of the company and potentially

4:41

putting all these people who were still

4:43

underway out at risk. But

4:46

since then, we don't do

4:48

anything in Russia anymore. And

4:50

So now we can speak freely, and

4:53

people are no longer afraid. So

4:55

I can say it now. Her name is Natalie

4:57

Kaminsky, She was born in Russia, now

4:59

she's American, and she is the CEO

5:01

of a software company called Jet Rockets.

5:04

And ultimately, she got every

5:06

one of her employees who wanted to leave

5:08

Russia out of Russia. That's more than

5:10

fifty people. And, Natalie,

5:12

she is good at keeping things in perspective.

5:15

Right? She knows there is this brutal

5:17

war in Ukraine. She actually has a sister

5:19

who is trapped there right now. At

5:21

the same time, she's had to manage

5:23

complications with her company. She's had to help people

5:25

start new

5:26

lives, find apartments, enroll their

5:28

kids in new schools, set up an office,

5:31

This is all happening mostly in the neighboring

5:33

country of Georgia. Actually, a funny

5:35

story. You know, when

5:37

we opened the office in Georgia, we

5:39

learned very quickly that Georgia

5:41

doesn't have IKEA. And IKEA, of

5:43

course, is a wonderful resource to furnish

5:45

your office space. It is if you wanna

5:47

you want to furnish an office

5:48

quickly, Ikea. You go to Ikea.

5:51

Well, there's no Ikea in Georgia. So

5:53

they decided that their best plan was to

5:55

actually go get the desk and chairs that

5:57

they left in Russia. They'd

5:59

also left behind all sorts of personal belongings

6:02

because when people left, they

6:04

were often pretending they were just going on vacation,

6:06

so they brought a suitcase or two. So

6:08

Natalie and her team booked some moving trucks

6:10

to go get all of the stuff

6:12

and drive it from Russia to

6:15

the country of Georgia.

6:16

The first time no hassle at all. The

6:19

second time there

6:21

was some interesting occurrence

6:23

at the border, but let me tell

6:25

you, there is nothing apparently that cannot

6:27

be solved. With five

6:29

hundred dollars. All

6:33

problems disappear when it landed

6:35

five hundred dollars cash. So

6:38

with some creative problem solving,

6:40

they've opened their offices in Georgia, a

6:42

bunch of people are relocated. How's business

6:44

going?

6:44

Business is going well.

6:46

Natalie's company, they built software

6:48

and apps for clients, things like they

6:50

recently made a website for selling clothes

6:52

and built a virtual conference app.

6:55

Natalie said that since the war started,

6:57

they have not lost clients and in

6:59

fact have

6:59

grown. So they've had to do this

7:01

other thing that companies sometimes have to

7:04

do when they get bigger. We reached

7:06

seventy six people. So now we

7:08

have this employee well-being manager.

7:11

And he organizes all sorts

7:13

of, like, biking trips and hikes and

7:15

other activities to to help people keep

7:17

their spirits up because still, it's

7:19

almost a year end and it's

7:21

getting hard, you know. People are

7:23

realizing that it's no longer a short

7:25

trip to a new and

7:27

exotic place, you know, they're probably gonna

7:29

stay there for a while, if not

7:31

forever, but, you know, for a long

7:33

time. You know,

7:35

it has been ten months since Russia invaded

7:38

Ukraine, and or doesn't

7:40

seem to be ending anytime soon. Amanda,

7:42

thanks for calling up Natalie and getting that

7:44

update. Yeah. Of course. Thanks, Nick.

7:50

One of the stories we covered this year, and by

7:52

We, I mean, Erica Berris, who joins

7:54

me now. Hey, Erica. Hey, Nick.

7:56

One of the stories was what you

7:58

did about this community outside of

8:00

Atlanta, Georgia, that was trying to

8:02

level

8:02

up, was trying to become a city, and they

8:05

had one Final step, they

8:07

needed to vote on whether or not

8:09

to incorporate to become a city. What

8:11

happened there? Okay. So there's this community,

8:13

Mabelton, and it's kind of part of this

8:15

movement. That's been happening around Atlanta

8:18

where communities have said, hey, we're gonna form

8:20

our own cities. This summer,

8:22

I went to Mabelton, I met with one of

8:24

the organizers Lee Roy Hudgins,

8:26

and everyone calls him trey, so we are

8:28

too. He's lived there most of his life, and

8:30

he's like, Mabelton is not getting the

8:32

investments and attention it could

8:34

get. Or it should get. I've met

8:36

with, like, friends, people

8:38

I grew up with, people I went to high school with, and we

8:40

were eating some wings and talking about it. And then

8:43

finally, we were just like, well, do you guys

8:45

think this is something we should be doing? And they were

8:47

like,

8:47

well, Shari, why don't you do it? And

8:49

so they had this big thing that they had

8:51

to do. They had get the people that would

8:53

be part of Mabelton, that's like seventy

8:55

five thousand people to actually vote

8:57

for it on the ballot in November. How to

8:59

go? Well, I checked in with

9:01

Trey. After the election? Trey, do you

9:03

have a city? We do have a city. It's the

9:05

city of Mableton. Yes.

9:08

Trey says it was a nail

9:10

biter. In any election you just

9:12

never know. And this was a big election.

9:14

Our governor's race was on this election.

9:16

Oh, I know. The whole country was That's

9:18

right.

9:18

That's right. It was the

9:21

last question on our ballots.

9:23

People voted all the way down the ballot.

9:25

Mabel Tim got cityhood with

9:27

fifty three percent of the vote.

9:29

But now they actually have to do all these

9:31

things they said they would do, like force businesses

9:33

to follow local laws and relax

9:35

the zoning laws. The real work.

9:37

Yeah. No. It's the real work, but the thing is

9:39

there's no one yet to do it because there's not yet

9:41

a mayor or a city council or

9:44

any tax revenue to work

9:45

with. You can't just flip the switch on and then revenue

9:48

starts coming in. It doesn't work that way. Uh-huh.

9:50

You know, the county would

9:52

probably need a year. To just

9:54

transition all of their processes

9:57

and all of the different things that they have in

9:59

place for a new

10:00

city. So that will probably take a year or more.

10:02

So one of the things that Mabelton

10:04

is probably gonna have to do is

10:06

the thing that a lot of these other new cities around

10:08

Atlanta have done, which is they

10:10

hire these companies that are like these

10:12

plug and play companies that like set up a

10:14

new city for you. Uh-huh. And you

10:16

kind of pay them after the fact. So you

10:18

are like, come in, do all

10:20

this stuff, and then when our tax revenue comes

10:22

in, we can pay you. There's like a whole little cottage

10:24

industry around that. And so

10:26

that's what they're gonna start doing. And

10:29

they are gonna hope that they can kind of

10:31

deliver on some of those promises that they made when

10:33

they campaigned. Is this nerve

10:34

racking? Yes.

10:38

Yes, it is. Yes, it

10:41

is. Because

10:43

for me, you only get one chance to get it

10:45

done. Right? So yes, it is no racking

10:47

because now it's time for you to put

10:49

up. You know, we

10:51

were just talking before and and talk

10:53

is cheap. You know, so now

10:55

it's time for you to show and tell.

10:58

Alright,

10:58

Erica. Thank you for the update. Happy

11:01

New Year. Happy New Year, Nick.

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In a minute, the answers

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to so many unanswered questions.

11:08

That hundred million dollar deli in New

11:10

Jersey, was it a scam?

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11:14

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A couple months

12:10

ago, my cohost, Jeff Goe and I

12:12

went to visit PAKipsey, New

12:15

York, and the folks at the Marist College

12:17

polling center. They taught us about polling. They

12:19

taught us how to become pollsters. They taught

12:21

us about the problems of

12:23

modern polling. Jeff joins me

12:25

now to give an update on that

12:27

show. How's it going, Jeff? Hey,

12:29

Nick. It's going great. Now,

12:31

I have not followed how the posters did

12:33

this

12:33

midterm. But, Jeff, you checked in with the folks at

12:36

Marrist, what did they say? Right. And just

12:38

to remind folks, the crux of this

12:40

problem that pollsters are facing right now,

12:42

it's that people, especially young people,

12:44

just aren't picking up the phone. I

12:46

remember it very well I got hung up

12:48

on as well. So many times many

12:50

times. And so and so there's this question,

12:52

right, that we and a lot of other people have been

12:54

asking, are the polls broken,

12:56

or can they accurately predict elections?

12:58

So I called up the director of the mayor's poll, Barbara

13:00

Cavallo, to see how her team did in

13:02

predicting the

13:02

midterms. By the way, Nick, she says,

13:05

hi. Hey, Barbara. It's good

13:07

to see you. How have you been? Great.

13:09

Great. I heard you guys had a

13:11

great twenty twenty two.

13:13

And so did the Meredith fall?

13:16

Full disclosure, Meredith has a working relationship

13:19

with NPR. They do a lot of polls for us.

13:21

Anyway, this was a big year

13:23

for Maersk because they were trying all of these

13:25

new things and turns out everything

13:27

worked really well. This was an

13:29

amazing election for Maersk. And

13:31

for these midterms, their poll estimated

13:34

that overall Republican congressional

13:36

candidates would get three percentage

13:38

points more votes than Democrats across

13:40

the country And when the

13:42

final election results came out,

13:44

Republicans were up two point eight

13:46

percentage points. They nailed it.

13:48

They nailed it. Oh, they totally

13:50

nailed it. It was it was, like,

13:53

right on the nose. It was amazing. So

13:55

they are obviously really happy and

13:57

they credit all the

13:59

new things they were trying. So they

14:01

were texting people to take their

14:03

poll. They were

14:05

asking people to take polls online, and

14:07

so they're just coming up with new ways to reach

14:09

people. Alright, Jeff. But you'll remember

14:11

that you came up with this idea

14:13

that we should try to fix all of

14:15

their polling problems by

14:17

suggesting some questions. And Barbara's games,

14:19

she put them in her polls. How do

14:21

her questions do? Right. So our

14:23

questions were designed to

14:25

not just ask people who they were

14:27

gonna vote for, but who they thought their

14:29

friends and family were gonna vote

14:31

for, who they thought was gonna win the election.

14:33

And the idea is that these questions harness

14:36

the wisdom of the crowds. So

14:38

they're more predictive. And, you know, like, Nick,

14:40

we didn't we didn't, like, invent this. Right?

14:42

Like, we we did we we talked researchers.

14:44

We, like, did our homework. We, like, research

14:46

papers and all this stuff for sure. Yeah. There's, like,

14:48

real evidence that these questions do

14:50

really well at predicting elections. Why are you

14:52

defending this so much? I have a

14:54

feeling that our

14:56

questions did terribly judging

14:58

by how much you're hurt setting this

15:01

up. I'm just

15:02

gonna let Barbara tell you. What we

15:05

found was when we added

15:07

the wisdom of crowds questions,

15:09

it moved it to be more

15:11

Republican. So it

15:13

moved it to be a plus eight.

15:15

A Republican. The swing

15:17

in a mess. Our questions did way

15:20

worse than the marathon.

15:22

That is Barbara.

15:25

I know. But Barbara convinced

15:27

me that, you know, this is what science is all

15:29

about. Right? You try new things, you

15:31

make a new hypothesis, and

15:33

then you gather data. So it's okay to

15:35

be like wrong about stuff because you're

15:37

learning things. So, you know, she was

15:39

actually really happy about how things turned out.

15:41

Of she also, you know,

15:43

nailed the election. Alright,

15:46

Jeff. Thanks so much. Thanks, Nick.

15:49

See you next year in Poughkeepsie again.

15:51

Same time, same pull. Some

15:55

of the best plan of money stories

15:57

unfold as mysteries. And

16:00

most of the time, the mystery is solved

16:02

by the end of the show. But sometimes, the

16:04

mystery is so fresh that we

16:06

published an episode with more questions

16:09

than answers, including

16:11

a show that involves submarine sandwiches,

16:13

and Mary Childs. Hello, Mary Childs.

16:16

Hello. It's a delight to be here.

16:18

Remind us what your show was about.

16:20

Yes. So in twenty twenty

16:22

one, Everyone including but not limited

16:24

to us got obsessed with this

16:26

deli in New Jersey. It's

16:29

sold sandwiches, and

16:31

it was really normal except for the fact that it

16:33

was publicly traded and valued

16:35

at one hundred million

16:37

dollars. That seemed

16:39

weird. Yeah. Because usually, delis

16:41

are not publicly traded. They're not on

16:43

the stock market. Wait. So did

16:45

you actually figure out what

16:47

was going on with the deli ever? Kind

16:51

of. It turned out there was a lot going

16:53

on. And to hear about it, I caught up with the

16:55

CNBC reporter talked to last time,

16:57

Dan Mangan, who chewed

16:59

through every aspect of this story except for I

17:01

would argue the most important one. Did

17:03

you eat a lot of the sandwiches

17:04

from there? No.

17:05

I did. Oh, come on. My boss at the time went down there

17:07

and he said it was pretty good. Even last

17:09

year, it seemed like what was happening was.

17:11

The guys effectively running the company that

17:13

owned the deli were positioning the

17:16

company to get bought. The thinking was they

17:18

wanted to make the shares look

17:20

artificially high, which for reasons that we went

17:22

into on the show last year, would

17:24

help make the company an

17:26

attractive acquisition target so that some

17:28

other company that wanted to be publicly

17:30

traded without the hassle of actually

17:32

going public would come in and buy

17:33

it. And someone did. Someone came

17:36

in and bought the company that owned the deli.

17:38

The deal worked in reality the way it was

17:40

supposed to work on paper, at least that part of

17:42

it did. And then what? So then,

17:44

yeah, it was quiet for,

17:46

you know, a long time

17:48

until a couple of months

17:50

ago. Found out that the justice department

17:52

had indicted three people who

17:54

were intimately involved and also the

17:57

SEC had filed a civil complaint

17:59

against

17:59

us. Three. Nick, I have the indictment. Right

18:01

here, it is one of my many open tabs.

18:03

It charges three guys who owned a

18:05

lot of the shares and what was essentially a shell

18:07

company that owned a real deli that made

18:10

real sandwiches, hometown, International

18:12

Inc. And then this other company, e waste,

18:14

that owned nothing.

18:16

The three guys are charged with twelve counts, and most of the

18:18

charges have the word securities or fraud

18:20

in them. So what they did was

18:23

allegedly was they they

18:25

either structured or aware

18:28

of trading activity that

18:30

artificially pumped up the value these

18:32

stocks by in the case of hometown more

18:34

than nine hundred percent.

18:37

That's a

18:37

lot. That's

18:37

a big percent. It

18:39

is. But in the case of by nearly twenty

18:42

thousand percent. An even bigger

18:44

percent? So it was

18:46

essentially, allegedly, a a pump

18:48

and dump ski. Yeah. I mean,

18:50

halfway because the three guys

18:52

who effectively ran the company never

18:54

got to dump. They never ended

18:56

up selling their shares.

18:58

Maybe because we all were paying so

19:00

much attention to the story. A few

19:02

months ago, two of the three were arrested. They

19:05

have plead not guilty, and the

19:07

third is still at large,

19:09

allegedly maybe in Hong

19:11

Kong. I know. Real

19:13

espionage stuff. Also, the

19:15

deli closed. Dan will never get to

19:17

try those sandwiches. It's a

19:19

tragedy.

19:19

Barry, now that you have had some

19:22

time to Digest I'm

19:24

sorry. This story. Okay.

19:26

Any

19:26

big takeaways? Well, Dan made this

19:29

observation that I really liked, which is that

19:31

the market for stocks like the

19:33

ones we're talking about, which are small time

19:35

but publicly traded. They're

19:37

not traded on a normal exchange. You

19:39

can't go into the New York stock exchange and buy them.

19:41

You have to like find a guy. It's like the Craigslist

19:43

of stocks and that leaves a lot

19:46

of room for shenanigans. But

19:48

Dan says, maybe with this one example of the

19:50

deli where it was just one sandwich

19:52

shop in the middle of New Jersey with no

19:54

growth plan. Maybe it was so egregious

19:57

and we all made so much fun of it that

19:59

regulators might start to take a closer

20:01

look at this market. Mary

20:04

Childs, thank you for that

20:06

update. May you have many

20:08

delicious sandwiches, in this new

20:10

year. Oh, thank you. A hundred million dollars

20:12

sandwich to you too. Probably

20:21

the thing that gave us

20:23

Planet Buddy's staffers the

20:25

most life this year

20:28

was this project by

20:30

our producer James Snead and

20:33

Sarah Gonzalez and Erica Berris and a whole host of other

20:35

people. And that was

20:37

to take this song that

20:39

had been recorded in the seventies about

20:41

inflation and put it out into

20:43

the world and make a planet money record

20:45

company. Sarah Gonzalez is here to

20:47

give us an update about it. Hey,

20:49

Sarah. Hey, Nick. So people, I'm

20:51

sure, listen to this. If not, you have to listen. The

20:54

episodes are called planet money records,

20:56

volumes one and two,

20:58

But Sarah, if they did not listen, remind us what this

21:00

whole project was

21:01

about. Sure. Yeah. So we introduced you a

21:03

couple months ago to a guy named Ernest Jackson

21:06

in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. He is seventy

21:08

four years old. Today, he's been singing

21:10

since he was five years old, and he's been

21:13

trying to make it in the music

21:14

industry. His whole life, here's earnest. I've

21:16

never been signed by a label. That's

21:19

my hope and dream.

21:22

So planet money

21:24

Became a record label, Planet Money

21:26

Records, and we signed

21:28

Ernest Jackson. We released one

21:30

of his songs inflation, here's

21:33

that time. What

21:41

you do, and listen to

21:44

what I have. And our plan

21:46

with this song was to sit

21:48

back, see how it did all the

21:50

streaming platforms, and I

21:52

have some updates for you.

21:55

And I know that I have been

21:57

listening to it a bunch and my

21:59

family has been listening to it a bunch.

22:01

Really? Great. Have

22:03

the rest of the people who are not

22:05

paid by NPR. Have they been listening?

22:07

Alright. I'm gonna give you a couple stats. So, like,

22:09

on YouTube music, we have

22:12

about twenty seven thousand streams.

22:14

Alright. Little good,

22:16

not that great. That translates

22:18

to thirty one ish dollars

22:20

for Ernest Jackson.

22:23

So, like, really not that great. Right? But a

22:25

little bit better news. On Spotify,

22:27

our song has more than half

22:29

a million ish streams. Which

22:31

is pretty big. I feel like that is respectable.

22:34

That is a hit. Oh, it's I

22:36

mean, it's not a hit. But apparently,

22:39

these are actually impressive

22:41

numbers. Okay. That's a lot of streams,

22:43

but it all comes down to money. I know.

22:45

How much is Ernest gonna make off of

22:47

this? Alright. For half a million

22:50

ish streams on

22:52

Spotify. Earnest gets,

22:54

like, a thousand four

22:56

hundred ish dollars.

23:00

Yeah. Not great. It's like a little

23:02

bit depressing. These are just

23:04

estimates. They're pretty reliable

23:06

estimates on, like, these royalty calculators,

23:08

but they are you know, still just estimates. So it

23:10

could be a little bit more, but actually more

23:12

likely it'll be a little bit less.

23:14

We won't actually know exactly

23:16

how much money the song made and how much earnest gets

23:18

to keep of that until we get our

23:20

first check-in the mail, which should

23:23

come at the end of this month or

23:25

in early January. We're, like,

23:27

very anxiously awaiting our first

23:29

check on the song. The minute we

23:31

get paid, we're gonna tell you all

23:33

about it. But I do wanna

23:35

remind our listeners that our goal for this

23:37

project was actually to reach a million

23:39

streams. So come on. You

23:41

guys are gonna put it on that New Year's Eve

23:43

playlist. Exactly. We're halfway

23:45

there. It's like so so close, but

23:47

also so so far away. It took us two months to

23:49

get to have a million streams. So, you

23:51

know, for earnest, stream

23:53

the song again, tell your people

23:55

to do it. You actually have to listen to

23:57

at least thirty seconds of the

23:59

song for a two count as a real

24:01

stream that we make money on. The song is

24:04

called inflation. It is by

24:06

Ernest Jackson. You can

24:08

find it anywhere you can find it on Apple Music,

24:10

Spotify, Amazon Music,

24:12

title, YouTube

24:14

Music, Sarah, Thank

24:16

you so much for this update. I can't wait for there's

24:18

gonna be a lot more updates. I would get the feeling. We

24:20

got we got some stuff in in store for

24:22

everyone. Also, thank you to our listeners who

24:24

have been listening to this song for Ernest.

24:26

It's pretty pretty cool. Alright.

24:28

See you. Thanks. It's

24:34

that time of year again. We would

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