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are complex coffee or let's get to the

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news which continues

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to be good in kansas state

3:41

that donald trump won by nearly sixteen

3:43

points and twenty twenty voters

3:45

overwhelmingly rejected a constitutional

3:48

amendment that would have allowed the state legislature

3:50

to ban abortion and they did

3:52

so by a margin of fifty eight

3:54

to forty one percent anti

3:57

abortion activists targeted tuesdays

3:59

mary

4:00

because it was mostly republican races so

4:03

they thought that mostly republicans would

4:05

turn out they were wrong turn

4:08

out was twice was large as it was in

4:10

the twenty eighteen primaries nearly

4:12

primaries million voters turned out

4:14

including a hundred thousand independent

4:17

voters who couldn't even cast even

4:19

cast in either party's primary

4:21

their just independent voters who turned out purely

4:25

to vote on this amendment and the abortion

4:27

mehmet results were to the last of

4:29

the twenty twenty presidential results in

4:32

every single county the

4:34

even the most rural areas of kansas

4:36

dan how did this happen

4:39

i mean about this new york times today

4:41

there was like a times compilation of national polling

4:44

before the that showed

4:46

forty eight percent of kansas voters said abortion

4:48

should be mostly legal forty seven percent

4:50

said mostly illegal they also showed the twenty

4:52

twenty cooperative election study also

4:55

showed an even split in that state

4:58

the went up ha

5:00

had had to happen one day john the polls

5:02

will be wrong the

5:06

now i walk i think

5:09

it is more of just saying a moment to

5:11

feel really good about this the

5:13

mean this is kansas this

5:16

is not the state it's

5:18

not a purple stay where novel just it is a state

5:20

so republicans that was the most famous

5:22

books written about republicans is called what's

5:24

the matter with kansas i ,

5:26

a doubt doubt everyone making your what's the

5:29

matter with kansas jokes on twitter

5:31

we we've seen it was seen unless they

5:33

are said as it is that's it no of

5:35

apartheid my answer

5:37

for every single fucking person has some my

5:40

on what's the matter of kinda some like none of them none of

5:42

them are they are they rank up

5:44

there with c b s

5:46

de jokes around the inflation reduction

5:48

as if elsa sign of how old you are the

5:51

way of asus for you dig

5:53

deep democratic party problems in the early

5:55

aughts that is this your neighbors your

5:57

with that book is called it anyway sorry

5:59

there are getting sky sports

6:02

like this like this voted out by fifteen

6:04

points i think

6:06

it is worth

6:08

step back and feeling good

6:10

about it in part because it

6:12

shows the power

6:15

of this issue because when we have i guess we're stuck

6:17

in this mentality that it's and it's

6:20

reasonable and well worn that's

6:23

nothing matters or era or even when things

6:25

do matters like marginal chefs right

6:27

donald trump sparse it insurrection

6:29

he goes down to points in the polls compelling

6:32

evidence of donald trump committing crimes

6:34

means they were up to a whopping two ten

6:36

republicans you think you should go to jail right

6:38

eat out a tacit and chromium poplar tax cut

6:41

nothing really changes

6:43

the not even

6:45

in a foreign country think she's your the martin matter

6:47

matters a lot

6:49

the way this is played out does far since adopt

6:51

season suggested big shifts

6:54

can happen

6:55

i think it's we have to abortion is not

6:58

just a new health care bill a new tax

7:00

minimum wage passes it does it's it

7:02

the fact that two thirds of this country

7:05

the born after the road

7:07

decision which means to their the middle of

7:09

their entire lives for you and a constitutional

7:12

right to make a fundamental decision about

7:15

your own bodies that and i

7:17

know my good group of six people most

7:20

of whom by people who got less votes than

7:22

it's their opponent processor

7:24

elections took away that right

7:27

this is something about it's about the board issue of abortion

7:29

it's it's about and he clearly

7:32

has sparked something very

7:34

powerful in the electorate and so

7:36

i think status how we ended up here this is not

7:38

this is not an access is not a low turnout

7:41

situation were sometimes these situations once

7:43

the side where the passion is turn out more people

7:46

and it doesn't reflect the large electorate this

7:48

is a high turnout primary

7:50

and so it's says lot about what

7:53

were politics is shifted since the supreme

7:55

court decided to metal people's rights

7:58

the turnout was too

7:59

it's of the twenty twenty presidential

8:02

election two thirds of a presidential

8:04

election for a mostly

8:06

republican primary in

8:09

the middle of august in a midterm

8:11

year that's unheard of and will not

8:13

let us that wait for season and

8:18

registered democrats turned

8:20

out at higher rates and registered republicans

8:22

which almost never happens in american politics these

8:24

days ah steve cranach you crunch the numbers

8:27

one fifth of all the no

8:29

votes know to the amendment

8:31

which is the pro choice position i came

8:33

from republicans one

8:35

fifth came from republicans so you

8:37

know speaking of republicans like should

8:40

these results scared the shit out of every republican

8:42

candidate memory competitive race on the country

8:45

yes yes they should they absolutely

8:47

should and i think you hit on in your interests

8:50

the number this is getting the most which is a

8:52

, thousand independence

8:55

turned out only to vote on this issue

8:57

they had no other reason for not they were barred

9:00

by law firm voting on any other offices not

9:02

a case of there is a hotly

9:04

contested gubernatorial primary gubernatorial send

9:06

a primary the cause of much we will turn out and they

9:08

voted on abortion they turned out in

9:11

a they'd never turned out and before they

9:13

have no history voting a primary some cases as a

9:15

closed primary process and they voted

9:17

because they believed this

9:20

was worth voting on and worth

9:22

their time mj and i think that's to

9:24

be very very alarming to really of

9:26

why i also think it's worth noting

9:29

that

9:30

about every republican candidate

9:32

in the most high profile competitive

9:35

races in the country they've

9:37

taken a position on abortion that is so

9:39

extreme and so out of step with

9:41

most of the country and

9:44

it didn't necessarily have to be like that after

9:46

dogs we remember after dobbs has

9:48

decided ah republican

9:51

with as was the that are and c or the nrsc

9:53

or one of those official committees are

9:55

put out a bunch of talking points because they could

9:57

they be new the danger in

10:00

this issue and they tried to try to tell

10:02

their can a to take a middle middle path

10:04

here and say yeah of course we're we're against

10:06

abortion but you know there should

10:08

be exceptions and we would never wanna

10:11

arrest doctors are women or anything

10:13

like that probably is bullshit talking points around the

10:15

were bullshit but

10:17

the homepage republican candidates

10:19

whether it's and we're gonna talk about some of the other

10:21

results but whether it's you know masters

10:24

or are tutor dixon in michigan

10:28

they've taken positions taken positions that say we're

10:30

going to criminalize all abortion with

10:32

exceptions by the way some states

10:34

are trying to say if if the of abortion is banned

10:37

in one state are you try to travel of

10:39

state to get an abortion somewhere else we're going to criminalize

10:41

that too thick to these positions

10:43

are so out of step with most

10:46

people the share of republicans republicans

10:48

this is not all voters the share of who

10:51

believe that abortion should be illegal

10:53

in all cases is now

10:55

only eighteen percent eighteen

10:58

percent of republicans so we're going

11:00

back to that first whole lot

11:02

but i read you that you know forty

11:04

eight percent of kansans saw

11:07

oh abortion should be mostly legal forty

11:10

seven percent mostly illegal

11:12

you know the mostly is doing a lot of work

11:14

there and has been for a while after

11:17

dobbs republican politicians

11:20

decided that they were going to polarize the issue

11:22

as much as possible on the wrong

11:24

side of public opinion by saying

11:27

we want abortion illegal in

11:29

all cases everywhere that position

11:32

is normally out of step with country is autistic with

11:34

most of the people in their parties and parties

11:36

don't i think they fully realized remember they

11:38

just don't care what i would have

11:40

horrible political mistake they

11:42

have made by taking by taking

11:45

you know when we third times when republican

11:48

politicians our lying

11:50

the purpose of appealing to primary voters

11:53

like their w some true believers in

11:55

the in the big why some of them got

11:58

nominated on tuesday but

12:00

a wanted him to protect because it's price of

12:02

admission to mega voters to endorsement

12:05

all of that

12:06

that on this one this is where real

12:09

position this is what they have always believed

12:11

it has always be other position that abortion

12:13

be should be illegal in every

12:15

instance

12:16

rape incest wife of them

12:19

that is their beliefs and they were givens

12:21

or permission to avoid acting that belief

12:24

in a world and which row in to

12:26

see where the a lance now that they

12:28

are not they are they are a while

12:30

to whether extremists flag flies

12:33

and push these incredibly cruel

12:35

and irresponsible and very unpopular persistence

12:38

yeah and look i mentioned i'm

12:40

like masters in arizona and

12:42

tutor dixon is running for governor michigan

12:45

ah this is also going to be a and

12:48

the governor's race where

12:52

the dog mess around over said that if if

12:54

he is gov he'll sign an abortion ban into

12:56

law it's just shapiro is governor

12:58

he will not abortion we protect in that state

13:01

it's a very clear cut decision in

13:03

pennsylvania ah you can

13:05

have this issue in arizona you're gonna have it in michigan

13:07

there's gonna be a ballot initiative likely in michigan

13:10

much like there was in kansas where

13:12

in there in the midterm election gretchen whitmer

13:15

the governor of michigan will be on one side

13:17

be in pro choice i've the ballot initiative and

13:19

to dixon will be on the other side that will probably

13:21

get more people to vote as or hopefully

13:23

it should in georgia or

13:26

there's a very close senate race herschel walker

13:28

again as said that he would

13:30

ban all abortion no exceptions

13:33

whatsoever ads in georgia and

13:35

then there were lots to be direct ballot initiatives in kentucky

13:37

and montana dan you were running

13:40

a democratic mid term campaign

13:42

right now what advice would you be giving

13:44

your candidate about two things

13:47

one to talk about abortion access

13:49

and to how to prioritize

13:51

abortion as an issue in this midterms

13:54

i think we have to recognize

13:56

that public opinion on abortion

13:59

the overwhelming on the side of access

14:01

to abortion but it is quite nuanced view

14:04

, majority of people who say who

14:06

identify as pro choice you support supported

14:08

row who its overturning overturning

14:11

that majority about according to lot of

14:13

holes and up three in ten of those

14:15

people who identify as for a choice or angry

14:17

about the dot decisions will tell pollsters

14:19

they themselves are personally opposed

14:21

to abortion you find that some with the

14:23

limits that are well

14:26

below the extremists and was you put forward

14:28

the ones that forward the of democrats disagreement

14:30

ourselves opposed more popular

14:33

than strictly overturning were were banning

14:35

abortions and so what i think we have to recognize

14:38

his the people

14:40

in kansas city excellent job

14:42

ed how they frame

14:45

their messaging and are some twitter threat to go through all

14:47

of the raza recherche bill see or from

14:49

politico i think has one of those two

14:51

threads worthwhile is it we

14:53

have to have a message that is broadly

14:55

appealing to that majority right

14:58

in a polling shows that the

15:00

most popular message by far in

15:02

that case is government

15:05

interference in the

15:08

personal decision to have an abortion

15:11

i did you gonna politicians government

15:13

except are involved in that and that is the one

15:15

that works for people who are identify

15:18

as pro choice personally and for the

15:20

product many who identify as

15:23

opposed to he gets to that hundreds that lot of those

15:25

hundred thousand independence we talked about this

15:27

is broader issue freedom and

15:29

i think the

15:31

message and going to be a little bit different in every

15:33

state because some teeth if you had

15:35

this broad coalition of who are

15:38

much more progressive other side and others you can

15:40

see who had dead if i as mater on the issue of abortion

15:43

but do not have so far the

15:45

overturning of row or the outright bannings

15:47

the mix that those two groups

15:49

is going a different state by state i imagine in kansas

15:52

it means more heavily towards the people within a fires

15:54

markets are getting more republican versatile

15:56

who have spent their wives voting for politicians

15:59

to identify

15:59

the anti choice

16:01

that was it may be different in a it's boy

16:03

were more purple state the second

16:06

is i think it's absolutely essential

16:08

that we center the issue

16:11

of abortion here and there are two ways to do that one

16:13

if you're running for federal office is

16:15

you make sure that everyone understands

16:17

to sex once if republicans

16:19

get control of the and senate

16:22

will ban abortion nationally

16:25

so if you are in one of those states they could decide

16:27

the election but

16:29

he has but where abortion remains legal

16:32

that not a given for the rest of tuck california

16:34

for example this is one

16:37

of the most progressive states where comes to abortion access

16:39

it has the makings of a sanctuary state we talked

16:41

to our friend assembly woman but puffy

16:43

wix about that a few law a month or so ago

16:45

by we need people turn

16:48

out in the house races they could are our

16:50

only chance of preserving our majority as

16:52

if abortion was abortion the line for themselves

16:54

as well because it is and the half

16:57

that argument is that if you send to more

16:59

pro-choice anti filibuster democratic senators

17:02

to the senate and we made him a house weekend

17:04

codified we can make abortion legal ever

17:06

my clarify and so i think

17:09

that's worth for see can if is can be different

17:11

can either do with what is on the ballot and that states

17:13

will who you're running against bites

17:16

we have to center it and then the last piece

17:18

of this is we have to make it

17:20

about free is

17:22

that your person for a sec eight anti

17:24

to this larger narrative one you have articulate on spot

17:26

as many times about a republican

17:28

party he wants politicians and the government decide

17:31

whether you have an abortion or can help

17:33

here you can get few should marry what

17:35

books you can rebut teachers can say what companies

17:37

can why on

17:39

and on and on and making and part of that larger

17:41

extremists agenda of the

17:44

of the far right in right mack republicans

17:46

yeah i'm you can imagine you

17:49

don't have to imagine i've been i've talked to the voters

17:52

somewhere , the for the vagus nerve the wilderness

17:55

voters who feel cross pressured which are most

17:57

voters even though we don't we don't think that and

18:00

they are horrified by dogs and

18:03

they're very pro choice but they are

18:06

upset about inflation they're

18:08

disappointed and i don't think anyone washington has done

18:10

anything for them and i think

18:12

that the way that the selection

18:15

becomes a choice

18:17

and not a referendum on

18:19

biden and democrats is

18:22

by pointing out the

18:24

ample examples of republican

18:26

extremism over the last several

18:28

months year two years and

18:31

abortion and the positions that they have taken

18:33

on abortion i believe are central

18:36

to that case you can then talk about

18:38

them coming for same sex marriage coming

18:40

for contraception coming for interracial

18:42

marriage i'm coming for

18:45

kids gay and trans kids

18:48

are book banning you talk about all that i

18:50

think abortion central it's the central example

18:52

since they have now moved to

18:55

ban it criminalize it with no exceptions

18:57

in states all across the country and

18:59

i think making that central

19:02

to your campaign about republican

19:04

extremism republican extremism because

19:06

on the other side of this if

19:08

you're worried about an mit you know you're also worried about inflation

19:11

and you are worried about when

19:13

you say look which which

19:15

party who do you trust to fight for

19:17

you you you think you think

19:19

the republicans are going to fix inflation and

19:22

cost of living when all they've been doing

19:24

for the last several months is trying to a

19:26

tell you when you can start a family tell

19:29

you who you can marry who you can be who you can

19:31

love how many kids you can that

19:33

that's what that's what they've been concerned about for last

19:36

are several months they haven't been concerned about

19:38

inflation they haven't concerned about the cost of women

19:40

or you want to go

19:42

with the party that has been fighting

19:44

for a couple of years to make sure that you can

19:46

have all freedoms and also by the way

19:49

are trying to pass to pass to make

19:51

sure that your energy bills or lower that your prescription

19:53

drug a lower that your healthcare premiums are lower

19:55

than that we're going to try save the planet and

19:57

save democracy which each

19:59

pair the think gonna fight for your what that and

20:01

that's the truth and that to me is the

20:03

best chance to get out of the whole referendum

20:07

frame which is usually what happens in happens midterm election

20:10

know this election should be everything

20:12

we possibly can to make it make referendum on republican

20:14

extremists

20:15

and there's obviously a fear

20:18

here that's where it it overly

20:20

simplistic we read the results of the selection

20:23

in and say it's just say

20:25

abortion as many times as password just say

20:27

pro choice or just say we're we're just say dot it's

20:29

it's this singular issue and of self

20:31

and it it is a preemie to issue it

20:33

absolutely has for mendis towers and

20:36

we should lean into it but it has a

20:38

more nuanced story

20:40

it's people's position on abortion a signifier

20:43

something about them it's every campaign

20:45

boils down to a over

20:47

convincing voters you're going to fight for that

20:49

who is a politician going to stand for when they get to washington

20:52

and the fact that you did his can

20:54

it will take these extremists positions

20:57

is a sign that are not going to fight for you

20:59

on every issue right on abortion

21:02

on healthcare on inflation to add

21:04

stat like did this is why it's important

21:06

to raise it but it doesn't just eatery you're

21:08

not the candidate says ravi

21:10

way the most times is not win this election

21:12

is more is more sophisticated

21:15

well i think you know what's true about abortionists has

21:17

been true about other issues as well you

21:19

what a challenge we've seen in the past as the ballot

21:21

measures like minimum wage or

21:23

medicaid expansion when

21:26

in red states where democratic

21:28

candidates who support those policies loose

21:32

or , thing with are in florida with and

21:34

franchising voters ah who's been

21:36

who who spent time in prison and

21:39

i think the question of how can avoid

21:41

that dynamic on an issue

21:43

like abortion were if it's a standalone

21:46

ballot measure does very well just like minimum

21:48

wage and medicaid expansion all these policies we

21:50

care about but somehow when the democratic

21:52

candidate runs we don't ah

21:55

now i think that you know that the initial

21:57

reaction would be well my we have had city

21:59

democratic it it but i

22:02

, it's a little more complicated met partly because like

22:04

i think one caution in kansas here is

22:06

we talked about had the rate of democratic turnout was hired

22:08

and republican turnout the midterms

22:10

more republicans turn out for other reasons

22:13

when it's not just abortion on the right there might

22:16

some republicans who abortion isn't

22:18

the issue the get them to the polls or maybe they're

22:20

maybe they're pro choice republicans or maybe they're just

22:22

republicans who don't want to banned in all circumstances

22:25

but in a midterm election when there are a whole bunch of other

22:27

issues there that may get more republicans

22:29

to turn out so how how should democrats handle

22:31

that

22:32

challenge i think that's

22:34

largely about tissue syrians

22:37

my base of example we've given recently

22:39

is the minimum wage ballot initiative

22:41

got these to the in florida and twice

22:43

when he got to the sixty percent threshold got

22:46

like forty six percent to the states which

22:48

means that there are six year there's a huge majority for

22:50

many ways but they did not think the minimum

22:52

wage was central to their presidential and

22:55

so this is where if you want to

22:57

narrow that delta between

23:00

what peeved the book the pro choice

23:03

majority in this country in the democratic vote sheriff's

23:05

you have to make the the

23:08

the congressional votes to give us more about

23:10

the state legislative vote beats around

23:13

that if she would have to be high in voters' minds

23:15

when they think about it and when the thing about who they vote

23:17

for that if he wants abortion

23:19

if want access to want to be legal in states

23:22

than you have to are in this country

23:24

you have to vote for a democrat and south's

23:26

it's about raising the science of raising is that

23:28

avidly science is very high right now but that it's

23:30

certainly change over the next two and a half months until

23:32

the election

23:33

and i do think to the point about messaging that

23:36

republican extremism has also

23:39

given democrats space

23:42

much more space to talk to a broader audience

23:44

of voters which certainly they

23:46

did in kansas city mentioned

23:48

the ads like to add that are interesting

23:51

one they both the no side

23:54

one was say no to government

23:56

mandates which you mentioned that even mention

23:58

the word abortion in the they

24:00

just say no to more government mandates and

24:02

they actually superimposed over a picture of

24:04

a coded mask mandate sign is

24:06

is clearly not an ad for for

24:08

democrats even for independence against

24:10

an ad for republicans no more government mandates

24:13

made your cupboard thing but again affective

24:15

in turning out some republicans to vote for this measure

24:18

so okay it works there another

24:20

when i very powerful and and

24:22

it was a woman who

24:24

is a mother of a three year old boy who talked

24:26

about how she would have died she

24:28

hadn't had an abortion and

24:30

again there are places all over

24:33

this country right now where

24:35

when they say no exceptions they mean no exceptions for

24:37

the life in the health of the mother as and

24:39

think for people who feel conflicted

24:42

about abortion which again of all the

24:44

people who support making sure

24:46

that abortion is legal a third

24:48

of those people personally oppose abortion

24:50

even though they wanna make sure that it remains

24:53

legal that group of people

24:55

you see an ad like that and that's probably pretty

24:57

powerful so i do our understanding

25:00

that you are messaging not

25:02

always different parts of the country but to different groups of people

25:05

and their messages the can hold larger

25:07

coalition together cause

25:10

of the extreme positions that republicans have taken

25:12

is important for democrats remember as well

25:15

them

25:16

you know millions of dollars were

25:18

spent on each side of this ballot initiative innings twelve

25:21

million dollars altogether organizers

25:23

were on the ground for months

25:25

the for dobbs was even announced i remember

25:27

far before the supreme court kathleen

25:30

sebelius use former governor of kansas served

25:32

in the above ministration with us was

25:34

telling us to talk about the sun on

25:36

pod save america and telling us this was coming

25:39

and are talking about how they've been organizing

25:41

rent it for a long time like are there any

25:43

lessons other organizers

25:46

should take from from the success

25:48

of this this this organizing f

25:50

the up i mean obviously is

25:53

this kinda when and cases it can win anywhere

25:56

and i think that's just term that's on a whole

25:58

host of progressive issues that if do

25:59

the

26:00

the hard work of politics

26:03

the organizing the registry the grass

26:05

roots canvassing exeter use

26:07

fact the have real success but i think

26:09

was in this this camp comes through in

26:11

what the stories heard about how people

26:14

organized around it in the ads that we're done

26:16

is persuasion yeah

26:19

was all about for switch persuading

26:21

people that it mattered persuading people what it was about

26:23

stay wasn't just be never going to find

26:25

a bunch of based democrats france and piece of mail readers

26:27

homicides murder to his belt persuasion

26:29

and i think it's like that applies

26:32

to everything database of strategic

26:34

well thought out long term

26:36

organizing where they persuasion mentality

26:38

anything is possible impulse

26:41

yeah never give up on voting never

26:43

give up on organizing never give up on persuasion

26:46

all three of those things and gets it's that's what sad

26:48

that with the and by the the , is

26:50

not over in kansas this november i'm

26:52

all but one state supreme court justices

26:55

on the ballot ah and currently there's

26:57

approach was majority this is the majority that actually

26:59

has ruled that there is a

27:02

right to an abortion in the kansas constitution so

27:04

ah anti abortion activists are now going to be

27:06

are targeting the court so

27:09

our in and elsewhere this fight isn't over

27:11

which is another thing to keep in mind as we

27:13

we win these victories and we okay great

27:15

now everything's protected we go home you

27:18

can in is an ongoing battle

27:20

because of the forces arrayed

27:22

against us here are not gonna quit and we can either

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now let's talk about some of the bleaker results from

30:42

tuesday's primaries bruner

30:44

as he says yeah we did good stuff

30:46

or in arizona just about every

30:48

statewide candidate is now a mega republican

30:51

who wants the last election overturned

30:53

blake masters will be the nominee for senate

30:56

mega media star carry lake will

30:58

likely be the nominee for governor though hurry hasn't

31:00

officially been called yet and mark fincham mark

31:02

member of the fucking oath keepers

31:05

the oath keepers they the the domestic

31:08

, group that was charged with seditious

31:10

conspiracy for january six

31:13

he's going to be the nominee for secretary of state

31:15

unbelievable arizona's top officials

31:18

that's election that's that's the nominee of on their public

31:20

insights on the democratic side obviously

31:22

martelly be are senate candidate that secretary

31:25

of katie hobbes will be the nominee

31:27

for governor and for maricopa

31:29

county recorder adrian font as is leading

31:31

in the race for secretary of state

31:34

before we get to the mega bozos what

31:37

do you think about hobbes and fund has his candidate

31:40

i think they're both very very interesting

31:42

candidates i kitty hobbes was

31:45

thought for a long time as a democrat the best

31:47

chance to win this governorship she was the secretary

31:49

of state's ah who stood up

31:51

against the big lie believers and insurrectionist

31:53

in the sides cyber ninjas in a twenty twenty elections

31:57

military of i stood up stood the cyber

31:59

nemesis that are the sodas my

32:02

last the ad will that there

32:04

would be the cari like sided with a cyber dangerous

32:06

and she fought on buses springs

32:08

i've heard a just of and

32:10

funds as as america county recorder county

32:13

also in with someone has to do with

32:16

dealt with the election issue when

32:18

is when is when someone who are

32:20

you know by all reports and for folks

32:22

in arizona is a very strong candidates

32:24

you know arizona's a tuscan the

32:27

a half year but he's a good democratic

32:29

candidates against incredibly flawed republican

32:31

ones so we absolutely have

32:33

a shot in winning the arizona governorship

32:37

and secretary of state would really

32:39

stop insurrection stop point out point it's

32:41

tracks and losing it

32:44

would have the exact opposite effect and

32:46

would raise real questions about the ability to actually

32:48

legitimately it's town the electoral

32:50

votes works joe biden or democrat

32:53

to win arizonans twenty four

32:55

yeah remember the i'm is the job about

32:57

the the governor of arizona and the secretary

32:59

of state of arizona to certify

33:02

the election results something

33:04

that's about the that secretary of state

33:06

jobs and ah gov

33:08

republican gov doug do see and

33:11

twenty and the

33:14

lake mark mention the basically

33:16

said that you know they'll only sort of i

33:18

have they want to survive so very dangerous

33:20

stuff or looks like about the way the

33:23

democratic candidates to frame their opponents on

33:25

let's start with mark kelly and blake masters there

33:27

are obviously a lot of contrast for kelly to choose

33:30

from ah here's his first out

33:32

of a gate just released this morning

33:35

about blake masters cyclist

33:36

wait masters has made his dangerous

33:39

ideas on abortion easy to

33:40

ma'am

33:49

for bleach taking away healthcare freedom

33:51

for arizona women is just

33:53

the beginning i actually think we should comforter

33:55

so every seven years

33:59

going you punish the doctor blake

34:02

masters too dangerous for arizona

34:05

we were

34:06

the as an excellent as ah what i

34:08

think like masters is

34:11

perhaps the most dangerous republican

34:13

candidate on the ballot in a very long time

34:16

when judy vance is an absolute

34:18

fraud doing karaoke

34:20

every want like you conceive a flop sweat

34:22

from him trying to be something he is it he may win

34:24

anyway it's but he is just

34:27

of us the masters

34:29

is is a far

34:31

right through believing

34:34

militant cultural revolutionary who

34:36

believes what he thinks mag as a

34:38

slogan to trump it is a philosophy

34:41

for like masseurs he believes this country's

34:44

is in an apocalypse a downward

34:46

spiral because the country's demographically

34:48

women have many rights the lgbtq

34:51

plus community has too many rights he is trying to return

34:54

america it's me assessors

34:56

through the power of state to

34:58

a different era he talked about the

35:00

front of women staying home from work about

35:03

taking away people's freedoms about

35:05

getting rid of marriage equality and

35:07

he does all of that we had bunch of

35:09

really stream robinson it's there for

35:12

their they all sorted they're all like

35:14

brains tickled fox news right herschel

35:16

walker you know by

35:19

the accent or us like masters

35:21

is young he is deep ties in arizona

35:24

he is dangerously smart and

35:27

he has the a he knows what he is doing

35:29

and he knows the ways in which he's going to try

35:31

to san the edges of

35:33

his incredibly radical

35:35

extremists philosophies and were

35:37

to win this election

35:39

the i mean you've already started doing that first

35:42

ad without this morning

35:44

and it's just an ad of his wife and

35:47

she's subset of but the

35:49

direction of the country there's inflation there's

35:51

they do they gas station shot and

35:53

then there's blake pushing his three kids on a swaying

35:56

and it does not seem like a

35:58

mega extremist kind

36:00

of thing it all seems like you just your typical

36:03

white middle class family in arizona

36:05

everything seemed fine it's like very

36:09

it it worried me a little bit only because of my go

36:11

they he he's not you're not going

36:13

his true beliefs here knows ,

36:15

knows he has to san the edges down the

36:18

de se si had an had

36:20

out before mark kelly that about masters

36:22

that was to martelly that but when broader than

36:24

abortion it had the i think

36:26

it's demonic quote but it also talked

36:28

about they a quote from him saying up

36:30

like master saying maybe we should privatized social

36:33

security we have to cut the not sometimes

36:35

i , that's gonna be pretty effective

36:38

ah arizona has an older up population

36:41

and i don't think gonna like or the privatizing

36:43

social security again that doesn't sound

36:45

extremists to some of the that that you mentioned

36:48

but i think for a lot of people who i

36:50

don't follow politics closely and don't who

36:52

peter thiel is and don't know

36:54

what like you know blake masters philosophy

36:58

hearing that he wants to private as of security is probably

37:00

going to be a pretty damaging hit

37:03

nervous took his i've been doing this myself i'm like guys coming

37:05

up peter thiel proteges but like

37:07

i don't have a lot of people know who peter deal is or how

37:10

i can use his you

37:13

know like unless you fall the stuff closely right

37:15

you can read plenty of this what a good pieces

37:17

out there that i have been recently about

37:19

how fucking scary peter teal is and

37:21

blake masters and their philosophy your eight have the

37:24

guts to trump in their view same out there bell

37:26

wrote a great one of the or times about this like trump

37:28

in their view was like the disruptor ah

37:31

he was his break and everything apart but they actually

37:33

have apart very specific of

37:36

are you know why we need to get

37:38

rid of democracy essentially

37:39

the they're sort of three types of

37:42

republicans in this era

37:44

there are the ones who

37:48

trump is a doofus by do not have

37:50

any sort of morality or shame so they just pretend

37:52

like say like him as a vehicle for their

37:56

right extremists conservative views

37:58

are sort of like all ambition there

38:00

are true trump

38:02

believers who believe in the may and

38:04

donald trump right that is yup

38:06

herschel walker or that is cari

38:08

weights probably more fincham

38:10

and then there are the people the

38:12

quake masters you view trump is nothing

38:14

more than a vehicle for their even more

38:17

extremist views they disagree with

38:19

trump on a lot of things that help from can elective

38:22

heterodox views on preserving social security

38:24

like you know her trump's a wanted private i saw security

38:26

it's preserving medicare sorts

38:29

things they just they were trapped

38:31

in of as you said he was that he was a disruptor he

38:33

was they were going us ah you

38:36

know stay in here okay with think

38:38

of that which is the most and or ah what's

38:40

the racing analogy for

38:43

when you dropped your when you dragged behind some once

38:45

by so and the i only this

38:47

was f one some i go find other ways of that's

38:49

what liberals nascar as i just that his

38:52

arms to see here nor there

38:54

but i think he is ah masters

38:56

is deeply deeply dangerous in addition to the same

38:59

other belt is no time to an incredible

39:01

mother jones piece from a few weeks ago there was

39:03

they've dug deep into into

39:05

masters his writings and he was in college

39:07

that are is very much reading

39:10

with week and fincham how much would you

39:12

focus on the prospect of them refusing

39:14

to certify the democratic

39:16

during arizona

39:17

i think their belief in the big why

39:19

and their promises to not

39:22

allow arizona voters to pick the next

39:24

president's is a is once again a

39:26

signifier their radicals any

39:28

is much more important from racer be much central

39:30

from our insurance because he's efforts in jersey

39:32

lox election apparatus but for most

39:35

people do not believe most political attacks

39:37

are you have to give them reason to believe it and

39:40

i think the big why white the

39:42

board for total ban on abortion and overturning routes

39:45

is a proof point to disperse really

39:47

is of touch which will then allow them to

39:49

leave a whole bunch of things like privatized of

39:51

security it's stealing elections

39:54

on policy is etc etc

39:57

the winter mine on degree of to complicate the simple harry

39:59

like the guy the the of keepers violent

40:01

extremist group has been charged with the dishes conspiracy

40:03

around january sixth he he wants

40:06

to decertify the last election and

40:08

he marched to the fucking capital he

40:10

was he marched to the capital

40:13

on january six that

40:15

the it is not more difficult than that that's who that

40:17

guy is flush against the insidious politics

40:20

being a member of a right wing terror

40:22

organizations a plus it a primary latino

40:24

guy marries a downside in general we suspect

40:27

governor general so did it was a

40:29

pretty good night for trump in other

40:31

races as well most of the maggots

40:33

had it's he endorsed one including john gibbs

40:35

in michigan who defeated representative peter meyer

40:37

one the ten republicans who voted to

40:39

impeach trump or in missouri senate

40:42

race trump the last minute endorsement

40:44

of eric may have been the booth

40:46

at needed to put eric over the top

40:49

that's right there were erickson the race missouri

40:52

attorney general eric schmidt the and

40:54

former missouri governor missouri governor the loser

40:57

and donald trump decided to pick between them putting

40:59

out a press release that said he

41:01

was endorsing quote eric

41:05

i can't decide if this if this of the dumbest

41:08

trump stories yeah

41:09

or one of the funniest what

41:11

, i sit with my soon as he i

41:13

read it and we both i they can be but

41:16

i mean did you read the politico article about

41:18

it that it is an article by

41:20

alex eisenstadt so i'm sure who was sure who reporter

41:23

as but this article is absolute

41:27

should be a museum for journalists

41:29

trying make current

41:32

absolute insanity see my something

41:34

normal like it you will

41:36

like the you you can i can tell the

41:39

reporter pregnancy like what the is wrong people

41:41

because it was like say has a scene

41:43

where trump has been every sisters

41:45

is amazing service he's a bedminster his

41:47

club in new jersey says it's too hot to be immoral ago

41:50

and this is a sweater i imagine

41:52

as ssssss sits

41:55

ads he's trying to decide

41:57

with hours west who wish

42:00

the he's gonna endorse and

42:02

he has proven schedule meeting with robin a romney

42:04

mcdaniel who's running as i'm not too much worse

42:06

eric writings calls , kimberly

42:08

guilfoyle so he finds out has happened to be on the

42:10

property at the moment he supports brightens

42:13

at one point he calls the guy

42:15

who's the head of bikers trump also

42:19

just happens to be as

42:21

bed mr at the moment welcome

42:23

to the meeting since

42:26

the guy says that he's heard ravens says let

42:28

me go poll my members i'll come back

42:31

leaves or another rooms calls a bunch

42:33

of i desk return says

42:35

there for writings and then trump

42:37

has his idea that he's going to earth is erickson

42:39

his

42:40

you know it's like through these moments of the stories

42:42

were trump because morphs into homer simpson

42:44

and he's like sure it's france as he likes

42:47

seriously wants to confirm like three times

42:49

that they spell eric the same way so

42:51

that the ploy will that

42:53

, that smear the funniest part of whole story

42:56

is the trump's like wait a minute wait a minute or

42:58

they both e r i c because of one of

43:00

he are i k this whole fucking

43:02

plan is is not gonna work now

43:06

if another they're both with a c because

43:09

of , if it

43:11

if a story that's funny and done because it does like

43:14

not just the political sorry but than other reporters

43:16

are asking both of the eric's about it

43:18

and like when you asked the carriage about

43:20

it he feels like it if it makes one

43:23

fucking dumb meter

43:25

, us without are talking about

43:28

about is such a dumb stories

43:30

of people are of the he couldn't indoors the carrots

43:33

but they're both their names were eric that he just

43:35

said i i all

43:38

both of them inset of that you'll

43:41

be happy with my statement and

43:43

they assume they were getting bigger dorset had a subsurface

43:45

it's just said eric it's this said

43:49

up until tuesday the

43:51

dumbest indoors in the history of politics

43:54

was when the new york times and doors to candidates in the primary

43:57

ssssss so

43:59

far exceeded

43:59

right now he if

44:02

i beat out those eggheads just

44:05

a thought wow

44:07

well how do you feel about the in are all

44:10

kidding aside how do you about the fact that air lost

44:13

his even grains mean see again air

44:15

great and horrific human

44:17

being accused ,

44:20

both sexual assault and physical assaults

44:23

assaults the hidden app is of kidnapping

44:25

some was to recently us on sex result

44:27

from your and physically assaulting his former

44:30

his ex wife his children i'm

44:32

just a horrible person but

44:35

of but republicans the rnc thought that if greatest

44:38

one either they lose

44:40

the missouri senate seat or senate the very least

44:42

that have to put have bunch money in missouri they it

44:45

out to win other races for republicans

44:47

like that

44:48

are in see and in that store the told run

44:50

him again or did not want i'm not

44:52

wine or grains to win has

44:54

a how you feel about the fact that he was because of i would

44:56

have been better for democrats if he won't

44:59

even have rented one i think of of an absolute

45:01

long shot for democrats to win the race better

45:03

chance sense brightens on the

45:05

ballot but i am skeptical that's

45:08

democrats would have a time energy and money to

45:10

try to take advantage of that long shot like the

45:12

rule better without eric brightens controlling

45:15

anything power yeah probably i wasn't

45:17

agatha by the end of the day i just

45:20

is this think this think this of whether zoc about the reason missionary

45:22

else is the true danger to the mattress

45:24

not the individual republicans who are an office

45:27

is republicans controlling

45:30

the reason their control government is because

45:32

i not necessarily give

45:35

voters are go are coming out to vote for them

45:38

to that's happening

45:40

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hey guys has ago and it's pretty

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well it's good to see i'm a person i'm very

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excited appreciates and takes before

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we get into the takes can you tell us

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for those who haven't listened yeah even i'm sure

47:07

everyone here has all the who haven't the father's

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ever listened to tell us a little bit about positively

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dreadful in what you get going on the ads work

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, five episodes in it's a new interview

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show that i host arm it's

47:19

arm of inspired by the the

47:22

popular internet phrase of shit is

47:24

fucked up in bullshit yeah and the

47:26

idea is to basically take people

47:28

seriously when they notice

47:31

friends in society and in law and that

47:34

are alarming to them are troubling of them

47:36

and acknowledge that in many

47:38

cases those concerns are real arm

47:40

and out at but also did give

47:42

them an ability to kind of grasp them more fully

47:45

that they don't become demoralized

47:47

deflated or assume that we're just

47:50

basically on a road to hell and

47:52

that in that you're no good can come

47:54

out of these situations of they

47:56

can be made better it did a fantastic

47:59

podcast and and

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your perfect has for it is one of the is one of

48:03

the second buff and sounding the alarm and unfortunately

48:05

as right offices effortless sounding

48:07

the alarm but , do think there

48:10

are here there's a lotta there's a lot of hope and optimism

48:12

that i get out of it as well say from from

48:14

from it through with the guess that you have on that

48:16

idea yeah it's a really it's it's really well

48:19

done it's positively dreadful

48:21

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48:24

the terror let's do it of get them takes our

48:27

i won't do em all nervous as i am going to

48:29

get exposed because for my my laptop

48:32

looks like i'm organ the camera but now you can't

48:34

really read the takes and lucky you guys

48:36

have the same time

48:37

you if you think it's easy what we do you

48:39

think we're just a

48:42

, front of formerly an audio format

48:44

of everybody everybody me everytime

48:46

me about your such

48:48

as nice of you like look up at the camera hog

48:50

a mile oh you your own into our

48:54

eyes i was there our was on the back of was take

48:56

to presenters

48:57

ryan i'm really excited to finally get to play this was a

49:00

hadn't yeah i've been waiting ryan

49:02

is ryan true take true take for me explain

49:04

how it there's certain takes

49:06

with you all the producers have seen his steaks

49:09

john denham brian have not i

49:11

actually tried to get a laser that give me a

49:13

peak and he refused while like a real

49:15

low or big integrity of the game guy

49:17

success our offices will fire

49:20

are they will react to the taste than ray them on

49:22

a scale of one for politicos with for

49:24

the worse ryan dan

49:27

john are you guys ready i'm ready

49:29

born ready

49:31

serve with this very requested peace

49:33

thank you to everyone decided to me the

49:35

run the washington post the titled

49:38

most third parties have failed fears

49:41

, hours won't so

49:43

right off the bat the opening line the pieces political

49:46

extremism pieces political our nation apart the two

49:48

major parties have failed to remedy the crisis

49:51

then there's out some stats about how the

49:53

lot americans way the country's has in the right direction

49:56

in their more independence never then

49:58

we get this quote

49:59

the

49:59

that is state badly needs a new political

50:02

party one the reflects the moderate

50:04

commonsense majority they'd

50:06

outdated parties have failed by catering

50:08

to the fringes as a result most

50:11

americans feel they aren't represented the

50:14

for as to wrote it i'm gonna going

50:16

out and there's a easy mode and hard mode here because

50:18

it was written three okay

50:21

serving at all three

50:23

do you get a bonus point i guess

50:25

i know i can get one got to i think

50:27

we're guy but i can't regret the third even though

50:30

my i remember seeing the headline

50:33

and the and the byline and i can't the

50:35

andor yang i wasn't that was other

50:38

season gray todd whitman you to

50:40

be there and and i don't know the third and

50:43

you have a third as because it jill stein

50:45

ah janeiro smash specific

50:47

as specific do ah

50:49

david roth was the

50:51

first name is correcting of the last name it as name

50:53

david

50:55

mark hey the duke this assisted

50:58

says david jolly david

51:01

o of msnbc

51:03

as having a literal msnbc job

51:07

i feel like the the take

51:10

that didn't make the cut of take was in the writers

51:12

write up of this op ed was

51:15

, it's the party which

51:17

is centrist has specific policies

51:19

yet it say it is thursday launch

51:22

how will we solved the big issues facing america

51:25

not left not right

51:27

forward

51:29

you know what

51:32

this is our adena you guys feel about this one

51:34

but in the true spirit of take appreciate his

51:36

would you give the full playbook for

51:38

people who really tried to

51:40

be as troll as as possible i

51:43

want to give us only two because

51:45

i feel like it's so lazy

51:47

like a specific from what brian cited

51:50

in the reuters feasts like they they're not even

51:53

trying of eleven to wear to

51:55

wear party who just wants to who

51:57

just to take on the big issues as

51:59

know there was no they're okay

52:02

so i agree that

52:04

on the flipside it is like the ultimate

52:07

tate around it like do i believe jim

52:09

vandehei almost launched a third party debbie

52:11

underrated part right right and so so

52:14

as like uno mas to the to the game

52:16

i i think i'm going to give it the ball

52:18

playbook your the innovate yea if he

52:20

wanted to launch of innovation party but instead he just

52:23

wrote a book called smart brevity a

52:25

has a success further and

52:27

for maxi as somebody about

52:29

at your local bookseller simply accept that

52:31

is david roberts or somebody else i

52:34

forget who said

52:37

, the thing that i most about this

52:39

this like annual ritual of of the

52:41

centrist third party the doesn't have like

52:43

a specific plan whatever that they eventually

52:45

get bullied into putting out a policy agenda and it's

52:47

like the party policy agenda

52:50

arm and they just didn't realize

52:53

they've been democrats all along on

52:55

a brand themselves differently than what do you think

52:58

i'm a give one politico i

53:01

appreciate brandstater think anytime

53:03

we can breed bring up the innovative party that

53:05

is a good for last so i supported it's on a great

53:07

moments because all forget the innovation

53:09

for a ticket was mark zuckerberg and jim mattis i think

53:11

white guy on my god wow

53:13

good good memories you

53:16

know that other than i have a subsidiary

53:20

the wrists but it gets one play bought

53:22

for the room for the room one for the reason john yard

53:25

is like they're not even trying this even trying

53:27

air a shell corporation for

53:29

yeah angel yang relevance that's what of this

53:31

the ah yes i mean again the articles

53:34

titled here's why our third party won't fail

53:36

and the reason they side is because there are more independence

53:39

now than ever

53:40

the independence or a block or

53:43

a mistake and okay this nice one

53:45

is a suggestion from our friend john bothered you guys

53:47

know him hard , good as

53:50

is article is a bit all of us a weekly

53:53

weekly after i haven't gotten

53:55

a variety zone my that is

53:57

articles my old but he said we should do it just for brian

53:59

and i'd agree it's from the hell

54:02

it is a piece titled prosecuting

54:04

trump will ruin our nation

54:06

and neither her home accountable

54:09

fears physicists affairs

54:12

acquired ah there may be ah

54:14

viable criminal case that from corruptly

54:16

of second congressional proceedings namely

54:18

january six

54:20

but that is highly debatable the

54:22

justice department brought such case much of the

54:24

country would condemn the indictment as political

54:27

paybacks such prosecution of former

54:29

president can take years and messing the federal

54:31

courts in unprecedented president

54:34

trump's should be held to account prosecution

54:36

would be the wrong vehicle here's hoping cooler

54:38

heads prevail

54:40

the marijuana yes you read that

54:44

andrew mccarthy wow yeah ah

54:48

very good from downtown

54:50

very manly mccarthy so

54:53

i was actually assumed i was wrong about that

54:55

because if but i thought if i'm right about that

54:58

than that's like the greatest indication we

55:01

have that trump is hyper

55:03

guilty of all these crimes and definitely that of approximately

55:05

i have because any mccarthy is like yeah

55:08

sort of very right wing legal writer

55:11

for national view whose job seems to be

55:14

painting over rams republicans

55:16

commit in explaining why there there's actually nothing

55:18

wrong there so if he's basically saying yeah

55:20

trump did it but would just be really you'd

55:22

be really for the country to do anything about it

55:25

then i i think the jig is basically

55:27

up like there's nobody was even a scotia

55:30

credibility on the right who can say no actually

55:32

everything he did here is like by the book there's

55:34

no laws against any of it trump's fine

55:38

i would say that i'm equal parts

55:40

impressed ryan

55:43

can a den of fi and andrew mccarthy

55:45

a lot several months ago it's and

55:48

alarmed if really i don't know

55:50

it ranges on sunday mornings when i really

55:52

think he needs a wasn't a the spot i've read i read

55:54

the hill day or every day of the we started

55:57

out as they would so president it is that

55:59

like as you said

55:59

the national review take i would start

56:02

having any mccarthy is one of my thoughts but the fact

56:04

that any mccarthy in the hill yeah

56:06

which was just they publish trash

56:08

and attorney ,

56:11

know that is know that okay for ratings

56:13

on this one because he decided

56:16

not to do here is the legal

56:18

case why trump shouldn't be prosecuted but did the

56:20

he might guilty but it'll tear the apart

56:23

that's get meta i'm i'm at

56:25

like three and a half i'm at three and a half on

56:27

that

56:28

the

56:29

i want band to go first

56:31

i'm still thinking i'm gonna say two

56:33

and a half just because we're doing enterprises

56:35

right rules here of arms and

56:38

i want to leave room for some full play box later

56:40

on but it's it's a bad was in particularly

56:42

stupid takes

56:45

the in my mind you get more politicos

56:48

as you get more silly

56:51

or troll you barrel homeless

56:53

death ah moxie yeah

56:55

this isn't like a different family of

56:58

like really offered in

57:00

good faith like running interference for

57:03

republicans cause it's pretty clear

57:05

that any mccarthy's really worried that

57:07

if trump gets prosecuted the really

57:10

give a shit what happens to trump he does he

57:12

know that that will reflect poorly on the right

57:14

and republicans and you

57:17

know if it was

57:19

david brooks or somebody making the same point

57:21

which

57:22

we'll get to at some point i'm certain i'd

57:24

give it three four that

57:27

i'm gonna give this one too because

57:30

it's it's it's it's not coming from a place it's wrong

57:32

it's coming from a place of fear and

57:35

gotcha i mean brine do you think is gonna get prosecuted

57:38

do you think about know he should

57:41

should

57:42

you know who don't think he's gonna get prosecuted more likely

57:44

than not is this week's positively

57:46

dreadful guest our

57:49

i'm a mirror girl intercept not suffer

57:53

for , a good or better voters

57:56

are just died at maybe i should maybe the hanging maybe

57:58

people would think that our the attorney don't know

58:01

i guess , week was pete struck

58:04

struck wow and and we got

58:06

to talk all about this basic

58:08

issue plus surrounding issues the

58:10

complexity of charging former

58:13

president whether it makes sense

58:15

to approach the investigation

58:17

away merrick garland has or not from

58:20

ah from a guy who has

58:23

you're one of the few people the country who was done investigations

58:25

along these lines it

58:28

was very interesting conversation that's great yeah

58:30

employer into employer n n know i just

58:32

gave away the stupid the show

58:34

is that he thinks just too much criminal

58:37

activity out there in there open to for

58:40

from two hundred zero indictments the

58:42

rebellion is media firemen brand you have

58:44

to put you have to put the best scenes israel

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has that especially especially if the

58:48

ponderous judge or who runs

58:50

the or jays listening subset of us

58:53

, to make sure he tunes that's or it allows

58:55

you got one more force yes i do occur of

58:57

big know here to ask how how do you guys think the segment

59:00

is going so this

59:05

is , in such large spots

59:08

the hiding his guys just cooking food

59:10

gets think it's going to this

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is the best take appreciate it if ever there

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are just as of now that you know that are i was

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a very nathan fielder sort of move right there

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have , like as a realises

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have been assessed as a lot

59:24

of a ride on reversals have a my house i

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mean so ah alright so

59:28

this last one is true take appreciate

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his takes it's not takes

59:33

you're take per se so

59:36

this is from the a p a rare

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offender on the segment a piece titled

59:40

election skeptics rise

59:43

in g o p races to run

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state elections how

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this piece as a valet really intense elections

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in ours are winning primaries as you

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fraud or manipulation voting systems pose

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elections they warn a could trigger chaos

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if they refuse to accept results they don't like

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where think of that kind of reporting

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good

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yeah to that election of the experts man

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that if you are if you deny

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an election and one overturn it that could be bad

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a

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mostly retired reporter i

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feel a little

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i feel a little for whoever broke

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the story through the zeke can

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, get off of this said

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no not at all is

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disease is always hard to tell from

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the store and you're right it depending

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on the byline on the i wanna take it back for the but

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ah but know whether

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the instinct and the pressure

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to couch all that

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one hundred voices of experts instead

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of just saying with obviously true could

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have been pressure on them by the

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company or their editor or whatever

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they're stupid rules are tried

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that cut out your either other story

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you go what he's a politico said saw

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bob christie and cast him as her

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i don't know and they're not even those are

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needed that , others are up but others

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are those are far as or dallied generated

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like i remember what

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reporting sound climate change was like ten fifteen

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years ago and it was all like this it was all reporters

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who knew that climate change was a

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real thing arm and that

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essentially knew what it's effects would be if left unchecked

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but always compelled by

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the sort of

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the outlets they worked for to

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pray that is experts our climate experts

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say it

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care that off the

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some industry group saying it's own it's all over blogs

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and it was a tenure process or

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of like bullying

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the mainstream outlets out of doing that and just basically

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saying you can't leave

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for ah for democracy

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the i work i remain a skeptic

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that bobbing christie a real people but if are

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this is likely not their fault it's the fault

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of their editors in the associated press's

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absurd , sides his own balance

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over accuracy sort of approach by

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so when we were attacked him personally but the as

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you can't call the election skeptic

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serious offense and i get for a foreplay

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about what is a one for one for bob and christie

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activists for a full playbook

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what a great what it again no to and dot on that

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