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i'll get the news then you've talked

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about how donald trump's are legal strategy has

4:15

been to flood the zone with shit the

4:17

now donald trump is drowning

4:19

in it the

4:24

twenty twenty four g o p front runner

4:26

thought he could delay the moral ago investigation

4:29

by finding a trump judge who would

4:31

grant an independent review of the classified

4:33

secrets he stole from the government but

4:36

his requests triggered an incredibly

4:38

damning thirty six page response from

4:40

the department of justice that laid out even

4:43

more evidence of criminality he

4:46

such an idiot either search

4:49

trump apparently had three classified documents

4:51

in his desk and more than one hundred and his residence

4:54

or summit the most highly classified levels

4:57

and that was twice as many documents

4:59

as trump's lawyers turned over when

5:01

they swore an oath he

5:03

didn't have any more the , also

5:06

has evidence the documents were likely concealed

5:08

and removed from them are lago storage room

5:11

after the justice department had subpoenaed

5:13

them and wrote in the filing

5:15

that quotes efforts were likely taken

5:17

to obstruct the government's investigation

5:21

even fox and friends his own

5:23

walter cronkite had some questions

5:25

about this let's listen ultimately

5:28

comes down to why did he have all that secret

5:30

stuff far more longo

5:33

you know i know he and his team has said this

5:35

a declassified epithets news for the agencies

5:38

that those documents belong to an

5:40

internet he he said he

5:42

had apparently three classified documents

5:45

in his desk and in this

5:47

up as blinds details on for his

5:49

shows or five yellow folders

5:51

mart top secret and another

5:53

one with this a secret sci

5:56

which means sensitive compartmentalised

5:58

information poses information big

5:59

secrets in the world why

6:02

would he and apparently the president's

6:04

former present went through in january

6:07

why wouldn't he say oh you know what i

6:09

really need to turn that back over why didn't

6:11

have all that stuff of moral aga

6:14

never heard this before but good question steve

6:16

doocy he , he

6:19

was interview and gov christie gnome avast south

6:21

dakota about you don't hear her answer because

6:23

he just ran away from the studio

6:25

thing every day you actually watch

6:28

the video of a she is trying

6:30

hard not to last like it so uncomfortable

6:32

says as like weird city eating

6:34

grin on her face of casinos this is casinos ridiculous

6:37

question to which she can only give

6:39

can ridiculous answers but that is part of her job

6:41

as republican governor is to answer radicals

6:44

answers to ridiculous questions about donald

6:47

that forget that if a gig so what

6:49

did you think of others what were your reactions to the

6:51

are the or jays latest court filing donald

6:55

trump and his wires are just walking

6:57

through a field looking for rates to

6:59

step on this it's hot here special

7:02

master thing is stupid

7:04

is in fact it could potentially bill

7:06

way the investigation

7:08

or charges but ultimately and has

7:10

nothing to do with the underlying

7:14

already proven multiple times charged that

7:16

he took classified documents and

7:18

then hit them from the government's like

7:20

it or not that's not only not only proven

7:22

at this point in they admitted he

7:25

, out there truth that up a storm ah

7:28

about how he says specific stupid yeah

7:30

it's just as it is is like

7:33

this was so unnecessary

7:35

and it's like he doesn't have real charges is

7:37

real attorneys are being attorneys not trying

7:40

to win a legal case they are trying to take

7:43

press releases truths and

7:45

put them into legal motions and

7:48

then you have real skills

7:50

lawyers on the other side's

7:52

making your case add this was

7:54

such an unforced error from trump's team because

7:57

trump was having i would say a modicum

7:59

of six the in the public arena

8:01

it's just since spreading disinformation

8:04

funding the zone was shit as we would say about all

8:06

the various reasons that's what

8:08

he did was not a legal there

8:10

were or he was a raider all his other things in then

8:12

by following this unnecessary not

8:14

really important special master motions

8:17

what's happened was a gave the

8:19

government inopportune to lay out in explicit

8:23

detail exactly what trump

8:25

did wrong and he is it it makes it very clear that

8:27

he is as use woods as you said

8:29

very italy or third drowning

8:32

and shit right now yeah it of it's

8:34

a it's her he flood zone with certain

8:36

he is the flood victims as a physicist

8:40

his i also his mean like we

8:43

learned a couple things from the a giovani

8:45

every time trump tries to make one of these moves

8:47

we just learned more damning evidence from d

8:49

o j and in this in

8:51

this filing they wrote the former president's

8:53

council explicitly prohibited

8:56

government personnel from opening

8:58

are looking inside any of the boxes that

9:00

remained in the storage room giving

9:02

no opportunity for the government to confirm that know

9:04

documents with classification markings remained

9:07

so there goes his whole argument one

9:10

of many stupid arguments that they were cooperating

9:12

the entire time it's pretty clear that they were not

9:14

cooperating not only were they not cooperating

9:17

but they were lying to the government

9:19

and hiding things and a testing

9:22

that were false and like written

9:24

affidavits specific privilege

9:27

, written statements but now it's going

9:29

to not only get trump in trouble but it sounds like his to lawyer

9:31

it's like i feel like the the tv lawyers

9:33

who are sort of the feds that there weren't

9:35

any more classified documents my been some trouble ha

9:38

i am shocked that the former

9:40

oh a an anchor who was on television

9:43

spreading dangerous and militias

9:45

conspiracy theories turned out to be

9:47

the same person who and why to

9:49

the f b i on behalf of donald trump

9:52

this , guy am shocked because

9:54

the wouldn't know it you would cross the integrity

9:56

of these away and anchors to stand by

9:58

the truth is that's why they got

9:59

to journalists and begin with this the turrets

10:02

mean this does what i think it misses another

10:04

thing that

10:05

the question that appears to be answered by

10:07

the following is heading for

10:09

you and i have speculated most and i speculated

10:11

all but last week is the

10:14

these attorneys why to the f b i

10:16

or did donald trump why to his attorneys

10:19

in it appears from what the f b

10:21

i as saying that they believe based

10:23

not just on what they

10:25

found but also what they may have seen on the surveillance

10:28

tapes or from other witnesses is

10:30

if the attorney seem to have known that donald

10:32

trump was not turning over all the odds

10:35

that accidents which it was a major

10:37

tell that they were like don't look at this box

10:40

set up says hey

10:43

i'm looking for classified documents are the president

10:45

oh that's classified documents can you please

10:47

give us the classified documents yeah look anywhere you

10:49

want except right there in there box mario not

10:51

look do not look under my daddy great south

10:54

sydney and beer because i

10:56

ceased that trump's trump still true

10:58

thing that this is all fine because he he's

11:01

fine he declassified the secret documents

11:03

that the lied about hiding in his basement he still

11:05

going with this are you think that any more likely

11:07

work now this is pretty

11:10

interesting as a because this has been his

11:12

core defense by it's he

11:14

could not be more flimsy

11:16

first

11:18

the is a president who was served by

11:20

a staff known for their fealty

11:22

to trump and their willingness to why for him and

11:24

not a single one of them has come out to even

11:27

tell that lie publicly even just in the court

11:29

of public in the just in the public arena second

11:32

in a photo that was included

11:35

in the filing all of the classified

11:38

cover pages are still on the documents

11:42

they had they been declassified it's likely

11:44

they would no longer has the pages as i don't

11:46

read past this page if you were in hots

11:49

did you do not have the call for his for it's third

11:52

in none of trump's legal

11:54

filings has he ever has any of his or his

11:56

ever made that assertions because

11:58

to do so would be a the crime

12:00

because it is not true and then finally and i think

12:03

most interestingly and most humorous way

12:05

in trump's response filing

12:07

last night to the one we're just

12:09

referring to his team said

12:11

that the special master we'd

12:14

need to have top secret clearance

12:16

to read the documents it's

12:18

, yeah

12:21

yeah that's part not

12:23

only in the fi in the response to the filing

12:26

to be not say the [unk] classification

12:28

defense which you of course would if

12:31

you believed to be true but you wouldn't

12:33

want to if you're a lawyer putting it in a

12:35

legal document because you could face consequences

12:38

of the lawyer but yeah they said the special

12:40

master would need a high class which

12:43

which is like if the trump judge at this point grants

12:45

a special master then like

12:47

yeah we're going to have to have the highest clearance and

12:49

then fine it'll delay it but it's not going to help him at

12:51

all because they're going to find the same thing that the fucking

12:53

government just found the other really

12:56

funny thing is you talked

12:58

about the picture so

13:01

yeah that is a picture of all the classified

13:04

documents be highly classified documents

13:07

or mm and the at and the department of

13:09

justice has the picturing has the mouth laying

13:11

out on on a floor and trump

13:13

truth the response that he real he really thought

13:15

the he got them on this one but he also

13:18

are he talked about this and an interview

13:20

that he did our earlier this morning or let's

13:22

take a look

13:23

lot of people think that when you watch it on my of

13:25

as i have confidential documents or

13:27

whatever it may be old a glass of ice

13:29

what i had confidential documents

13:31

spread out all over my for floss

13:34

and like , slob

13:36

slideshow i'm sitting there reading these

13:38

arguments on a long or somebody else

13:40

would face is so this is

13:42

so desires when you look

13:44

at it and so people were who are

13:46

concerned because the city city

13:49

know as his regime using the floor

13:51

and you see documents your i'd say of cover

13:53

sheets of documents know they

13:55

put him there just you can

13:57

accuse me of stealing state

13:59

secret

13:59

you can accuse me of hiding them

14:02

in my beach house you can

14:04

accuse me of lying to the federal government

14:06

and obstruct investigation but don't you dare

14:09

accuse me of being a slob and

14:11

, the know wild and i'm even

14:13

know what saudi were reading these

14:15

documents documents of first

14:17

thought that there's that like note like known

14:19

as even ever asserted

14:22

all of this stem or the reasons why he

14:24

wanted them as cause he was so interested in the substance

14:26

he was so still has such an attachment

14:28

to the information he couldn't be separate from

14:30

his books still didn't like it

14:32

if i gonna do they by when when tommy surmise

14:35

that you know some presidents to take notes

14:37

about the classified briefings they get know

14:39

maybe trump was taking us out like i don't think this

14:42

ali there's a danger that danger knows

14:44

about anything cigarettes forget as a

14:46

read he's not taking notes he

14:49

knows how to use his fucking dvr that's about

14:51

it this to the extent

14:53

there is writing and donald trump's head

14:56

on those pages it is just like

14:59

hurts to himself up

15:02

, says it's like one of those notes to jeanine

15:04

pirro do you love me like of like very weird

15:06

shit the other thing that is

15:08

funny is like when you boil

15:11

down that truth last

15:13

that interview his argument interview the

15:15

f b i took the documents

15:17

be highly secret

15:20

classified documents out of my unlock

15:22

desk drawer and put them on them floor to

15:26

make me look bad it's like dude that's

15:28

not what's making you look bad stealing

15:30

the secrets is with miss your foot

15:33

of snow without there being like

15:35

if the guy had only had those and cartons in

15:37

boxes it would be fine

15:39

that he's just he's it's really

15:41

i i was actually sort of disappointed by his response

15:44

because he's just a very lazy right now

15:46

he's a been mounting a good a good defense spending

15:48

the other thing this does by the way is

15:50

like the more the more the

15:53

the justice department releases

15:55

of their evidence here and why

15:57

they think that trump may have committed a crime i think

15:59

the more the got it is for them to not

16:02

bring charges honestly

16:04

like i don't i mean i heard you

16:06

decide at this point this is

16:08

what he has done is not

16:11

not criminal or does not warning indictment i

16:13

know we're not lawyers but it's it's pretty

16:16

pretty , and dry at this point it

16:18

would is interesting i'm from my sakes

16:20

lawyer hat for a second here things are

16:23

described as i left mine in the other room room

16:26

the you know i said that idea the most of our

16:28

of our a cigar

16:32

right next to the ceiling our democracy coffee

16:34

shirts ssssss

16:36

assists itself assists one

16:40

way in which the if we don't humans

16:42

how much archivists most i was all like was

16:44

the f b i just trying to get the

16:46

documents back because they thought it was a danger

16:48

that these documents from this unsecured place

16:51

in my we just had this report of a

16:53

foreign national pretending to be a member of the rothschild

16:55

family and as wandering aimlessly through more

16:57

a lago sexists or

17:00

is there a possible criminal case him and

17:02

the presence or records act is a law it

17:05

is a law that trump is clearly violated like

17:07

it is not even i belive that his office prisons

17:09

arrest records act for reasons i can't really

17:12

explain does not have an enforcement

17:14

mechanism in it right where did you

17:16

if i to hatch are you discussing the stern letter

17:18

from an unnamed ever bureaucrat out on us

17:20

but the the deal jury has

17:22

never in a single filing cited

17:24

the presidential records that there's

17:26

a reason that they needed a search warrant they want to get

17:28

the documents

17:30

that is the basis of investigation has always been

17:32

the espionage this is

17:34

a while but does have criminal penalties

17:37

this is what i think a lot of ah

17:40

the the trump people at other people are just missing

17:43

and charlie savage the new york times

17:45

is a fantastic reporter on

17:47

all these issues laid the south many

17:49

weeks ago which is like the

17:51

whole classification debate here

17:54

is like a red herring or

17:56

just as if it's sort of superflous because

17:59

the espionage

17:59

the act

18:00

the law passed by congress

18:03

that says that you cannot be

18:06

holding

18:07

national defense secrets whether

18:09

they're classified or not if there are if

18:11

the government has these natural defense secrets

18:14

and you are miss handling them bad as breaking the law

18:16

so that doesn't have to do with the presidential records act

18:18

that doesn't have to do with where the president you can declassify

18:20

some shit set of a law passed by congress

18:23

which is why it appeared in

18:26

the circle so

18:28

he obstructive visit obstruction chart where

18:30

i don't know how they get around not not bringing

18:33

the absorption charge when it's when they keep saying

18:35

and i'll be sailing yeah we have evidence that there

18:37

was obstruct unless it's just like the lawyers

18:39

just get charged with obstruction and trump gets off

18:41

i don't know i don't know it's pretty it's

18:43

wild am i know we're doing take appreciate

18:46

isn't a bit but i just wanted to check back in our

18:48

and take your temperature on david brooks

18:50

is take from a few weeks ago that we talked about title

18:53

that did the f b i just

18:55

reelect donald trump how we feel

18:57

about that one so is this a villain pretty good about our original

18:59

take on that takes five a question

19:01

for you to home for the

19:03

answer this sir do federal

19:06

penitentiaries have a student

19:08

government like system likes

19:11

could trump run for president of the be

19:13

block i guess ramble on rose he

19:16

can run for president from jail he can

19:18

ever present i'd states from jail i looked this

19:20

up of months ago it is

19:22

such a fluffy since it's since

19:25

it's it's to some we've all learned a couple legal

19:27

nerds wrote about that somewhere to the we we

19:29

we tied with the like a year ago maybe at this

19:31

point and yeah he can even

19:33

he can even probably run for president from to

19:35

this se i would actually like to talk to a

19:38

legal expert about that way

19:41

i see closely we have likely we have three of them

19:43

on have been a cricket players i have reduced risk

19:45

aversion idler bagasse since i co hosted

19:47

this podcast with one of the last week is

19:50

i think in some states like in new hampshire you may

19:52

have to file for president in person yeah

19:55

oh that's interesting yeah i don't know whether

19:57

you a detrimental proxy votes will

20:00

kindly request is a it up melissa

20:02

k leah we would love to hear your take

20:04

on this some ,

20:06

soon stricken to talk to you through this podcast

20:10

okay so yeah don't think that dot

20:12

on think the brooks's that take was there

20:14

and they get was right on the money there

20:16

a specific this a specific trump and anyway

20:19

are using but of using any signs of this investigation

20:21

is causing republican politicians

20:24

to rethink their undying

20:26

loyalty to a weiss impeached

20:28

one term president who the target of multiple

20:30

criminal investigation no

20:33

but it is and this is a very enjoyable

20:35

circumstance making their defenses

20:37

of him much more uncomfortable they

20:40

get hurt lives like every day

20:42

it's trump through some sort of truth

20:44

or get our message communicated

20:46

through his sock puppets like sean hannity

20:48

it's with these republicans out

20:51

on a very thin branch and then

20:53

the department justice in the reality just saw

20:55

on us right it is a keeps happening and again

20:57

so gets harder any i think they're

20:59

going to try to stay i imagine that other

21:01

than like the most sassy

21:04

with mega fabulous this

21:06

would be those

21:08

are going to try to avoid talking about this as much as humanly

21:10

past yeah you don't

21:12

think they're going to be hit the campaign trail with this is a message

21:15

the i it doesn't seem like the idea that is that

21:18

the quote unquote raids has is

21:20

gonna be the rallying cry for the mag

21:22

a base i don't think that's gonna be what people are going to take

21:24

to the voters as far

21:26

in fact you , not

21:28

only is donald trump a

21:30

big problem for the republican party right now they're

21:33

extreme position they're extreme is an sitting

21:36

so well with voters either so republican

21:38

politicians are doing what they do best which is lying

21:40

about it at least nine

21:42

republican candidates have removed or

21:44

watered down references donald

21:47

trump or abortion

21:49

from their camp he cites the were

21:51

already the human spirit will walk him a

21:53

little away from donald trump on that out there

21:55

are we better not there at houghton their other

21:57

embrace of donald trump on their camping sites and

21:59

all

21:59

though they're trying to remove some of their extreme

22:02

positions on abortion or blake masters

22:05

called abortion demonic remove language

22:07

that he the one hundred percent pro life and supports

22:10

a federal feel personhood lox

22:12

ah and he has walked back his call for

22:14

a national abortion ban doctor

22:16

oz or the tv doctor who apparently

22:18

doesn't know how tv works tv works tried

22:20

to waffle on abortion but leaked audio

22:23

from a campaign event in may

22:25

complicated that strategy let's listen i

22:27

do believe partners eighty

22:33

around nine weeks we

22:39

are you were able to elevate of all those

22:41

who is going through thick and stuff you wanted you to one

22:43

stage still hurts your speeding as is

22:46

so you must not be so murder if

22:48

you are in the determine his job

22:50

and abortion , murder

22:53

under any circumstances that's what doctor

22:55

ah thanks thanks

22:57

though he is now trying to waffle on that

22:59

position so i'm didn't describes

23:01

you could work and hugging

23:03

democrat makes her done with this weekend

23:06

where it absolutely can't move

23:08

we think back to twenty a teeny think of those orwellian

23:11

videos of republican candidate staring

23:13

into the camera and saying that they always

23:15

opposed efforts to take

23:17

away protects its people previously condition

23:20

the most people lost but a lot of a more and

23:23

you it as we can work we know the disinformation

23:25

murphy know we live in a world for seventy percent of republicans

23:27

believed that the election was stolen

23:30

and the way we can fight back against it is

23:32

we have to keep the pressure

23:34

on like ultimately it's politics

23:37

is a battle for attention it's a battle for garner attention

23:39

but it's also about of her focusing attention and

23:41

we had this is in right now attends

23:44

the public's mind is focused on

23:47

the worshiped republican extremism embodied by

23:49

spree for taking away right

23:52

and then the republicans pushing it extreme positions that

23:55

kid fade to the background over

23:57

the course of the next eighty some days we're we

23:59

have one unless we keep the heat on so i've

24:02

been very i think pleasantly surprised at how intense

24:04

democratic messaging and advertising

24:06

efforts have been on abortion i wanted

24:08

some of those ads of more summary for an episode of getting

24:11

experts reactors weeks live is

24:13

of spending a ton of money out the number one issue and

24:15

all democratic advertising but we have to keep that out because

24:17

of abortion say to the back on the ability to

24:20

flood zone mishit that the real theme of this

24:22

episodes could be more successful it is

24:24

right now

24:26

yeah and i do think

24:27

the the way to make sure that strategy works

24:29

is like masters

24:32

scrubbing his website

24:34

like hey , you know how the internet

24:36

works i'm a lot to to see if he

24:38

looks as he did not as familiar with silicone valley

24:41

are some that are to as a really know anyone

24:43

who might be bankrolling as

24:45

campaign who's mark zuckerberg mentor

24:47

it so it's it's understandable that

24:49

like passers would now either it's

24:51

like it's think it's pretty easy for voters understand

24:54

especially if you put a lot of money behind adds that

24:56

like here with the website when the website

24:58

running in the primary and here's the website now

25:00

and he's scrub it and it changed and he's trying to run

25:02

away from his position and here's a recording

25:05

of him calling abortion demonic and

25:07

here's the recording of doctor oz on abortion

25:09

murder like i think some of

25:11

them can try to run away from it but the the

25:13

people who have said things in the past where you

25:15

can see the writing on their web sites are in

25:18

past versions if you put enough

25:20

money behind those ads and you put then front of voters

25:22

that's going to be really hard to walk away from and then

25:24

you're not just extremists they're lying extremists

25:26

which is you know

25:28

the the i think

25:30

one part of this it's important it's like

25:32

a minor the wants

25:34

to the messaging is focus

25:36

more on the extremism the know liners

25:38

hypocrisy the canada people expect

25:41

partisan to be liars anyone yes exactly

25:43

and just like that's it it does it like oh he

25:45

tried to trick us more know city for the circus

25:47

he's kind of a disgusting human beings but

25:49

the point is what was he trying to trick us about it's

25:53

sort of like our our tendency to the

25:55

to go after hypocrisy arguments i guess

25:58

so you're saying this about us but you said

25:59

that the doesn't will you voted against inflation

26:02

reduction i kid you went to a ribbon

26:04

cutting out a car racer we

26:06

all yeah we all for i have average were

26:08

all that hand them out as litter biggest

26:10

give voters think that politicians of

26:13

of all parties are all sort of

26:15

cynical lying apple's is the problem

26:18

but they don't like extremists that for shirts

26:20

for it so

26:21

one person has that been having a pretty good couple weeks

26:24

the president joe biden we haven't been able to say that

26:26

know i fucking love it

26:27

his approval ratings of climb from the high

26:29

thirty two the low to mid forties and so

26:32

it out whatever will take it will take

26:34

a swing , democrats are starting

26:36

to campaign with them again like to see that

26:38

are in tonight thursday nights at

26:40

he will be delivering a prime time speech in philadelphia

26:43

that the white house says will focus on the

26:45

continued battle for the soul of

26:47

the nation so this is the latest

26:49

in string of speeches and remarks from biden over the last

26:51

few weeks including a fundraiser where he called

26:53

trump is i'm semi fascism fascism

26:56

caused some some pearl clutching among

26:58

various supporters of the guy who just a demanded

27:01

that he be reinstated as president assistance

27:04

so most of our listeners will probably have this episode

27:07

after by the speech but talk about what

27:09

you think the white house hopes to get out of this

27:12

and what they're thinking is on this

27:14

soul of a nation message which of course was

27:16

bidens message in his presidential

27:18

campaign and appears to be the

27:20

message or they want to have in

27:22

the midterms as

27:24

i think there's been a lot of obsession in

27:26

, runup to the speech about

27:28

the term so of the nation one

27:31

is in a talk about and i think

27:33

we have to think it

27:35

will become a not focus on those words i'm afraid you'd

27:37

like the amount of times even i had conversations

27:39

for years where you were working on the steak speech but

27:42

we have to go pitch it to people and we have to come

27:44

up with some sort of its claws i interesting

27:46

but not sick they were v awaiting

27:49

paragraph to put out there which

27:51

drives you insane always jerseys

27:53

of at a and it drove me insane

27:55

i'm sorry for all the time they get mad at you

27:57

when you ask me to do that and that i think that's

27:59

what's happening here

27:59

i imagine if he does not done i think they know that what

28:02

they want to say but data for the soul the nation as

28:04

shorthand for bidens larger

28:06

argument and what we've seen as a transition

28:09

in that argument since twenties when i'm sick

28:12

of the last few months here which is in

28:15

the early days it was largely about

28:18

the unity

28:19

and now i think it's revision to a focus

28:21

on the fact that unity is

28:24

impossible when we have a saxon

28:26

that is trying to divide america for partisans

28:29

and political and so focusing

28:31

on that part of what i want to see hope the white house

28:34

i think what they want to do is framed

28:36

the midterms sort of send up a bat

28:38

signal to the entire party of this is a message

28:40

you we can all run on whether you are writing

28:43

in a super liberal district or proper district you

28:45

will he will older

28:47

it to fit your district to your state with this is

28:49

a larger story we should be telling as a part it's

28:51

antebellum them at the moment and that he has

28:54

had in recent weeks i think it's doing this

28:56

doing and prime time is good because

28:58

we're talking about it right it is just a speech at

29:01

a rally at three o'clock on a tuesday

29:03

it wouldn't get to sort of attention to ah be

29:05

don't we'd my talk about up at the rest of rest press probably

29:07

wouldn't but this has been the subject of a lot of conversation

29:10

is as yet yet another

29:12

side netting that side see it was in was lot of the by white

29:14

house over the summer that they are it's really

29:16

sort of up their game in terms of grabbing

29:19

sort of the microphone inducing it

29:21

to communicate to the public into drown out a

29:23

lot of a bullshit and conversations now

29:26

the able more thought on the and the sort of unity

29:29

peace around the soul

29:31

of the nation that i've been thinking

29:33

about and then i think that at into

29:35

biden white house has been really smart on

29:37

this we talked about there are a be

29:39

ultra mega branding or the extreme

29:42

mag a branding arms that's

29:44

the white house unveiled a

29:46

couple months ago and some people are making

29:48

fun of it's and be born sure but it was the

29:51

result of a lot of polling

29:53

lot of research a lotta testing and

29:56

, biden the other day that

29:58

of it is obviously the semi his i'm comments

30:01

got all the attention but in that same

30:04

speech he said mega republicans

30:06

refuse to accept the will of the people embrace

30:08

political violence and don't believe in democracy

30:11

and man in like the next sense he reached

30:13

out to democrats independents

30:16

and mainstream republicans

30:18

though you know we get a piece

30:20

of the new york times today of course of

30:23

, preview piece of the speech that

30:25

, from by michael share that that would that

30:27

starts president biden likes to say there

30:29

is nothing america can i do of the country is united

30:32

and it's rival parties are willing to work together

30:34

but with just two months until the midterm elections

30:36

mr biden is purposely spending less time

30:38

hailing the virtues of compromise and

30:40

more time calling out dangerous to democracy

30:42

using some of the sharpest in most compatible language

30:45

of his presidency

30:46

obviously designed for dresses most the

30:49

fifth most new york tenth analysis pieces

30:51

artist but artist would argue

30:53

that there is no conflicts

30:55

between joe biden calling

30:58

out the extremism of mega republicans

31:01

and joe biden also saying i

31:03

want to bring democrats independents

31:05

and mainstream republicans together in this

31:07

country and i actually think that is the smart

31:09

and right message i think again

31:12

you hear joe biden calling out to republicans

31:14

on twitter and saying you know come both resident

31:17

trying to appeal to republicans normal republicans

31:19

and on twitter everyone gets annoyed about that right

31:22

why is he trying to reach out to republicans but

31:24

i think it's trying to cleave

31:26

extreme magar republicans from

31:29

mainstream republican voters

31:31

who we know have been leaving the party

31:34

over the last several elections people

31:36

who may be voted for mitt romney and

31:38

then decided to vote for hillary clinton or

31:41

than people who voted for trump the first time

31:43

and then voted for joe biden in twenty

31:45

twenty like we know there is a group

31:47

of people at they are mostly college educated

31:49

voters in a lot of suburban places for

31:52

like i might have been part of the republican

31:54

party once but they have become too extreme

31:56

and i'm done with them and i think it's

31:58

smart for joe biden to try the reach out

32:00

to those voters while also making it very

32:02

clear that magar republicans

32:05

supporters of donald trump donald trump

32:07

and especially republican politicians that

32:09

are supporter of donald trump which is like

32:11

ninety five percent of republican politicians

32:14

in this country are a threat to democracy

32:17

don't believe in holding up election

32:19

results right like i swear i don't that

32:21

they're going to try to the press oh

32:23

a answer pikachu of i probably a depressing

32:26

republicans you can try to do this gotchas and going to try

32:28

to say you know i'll he's he's talking

32:30

about unity but he's attacking republicans in this

32:32

language and similarly i think there's some liberals

32:34

are gonna be like wise joe biden reaching that republicans

32:37

but i think this is the right strategy if

32:39

you want to create a pro democracy

32:42

coalition in this country they

32:44

can be donald trump and mag republicans

32:47

if you want to heal the souls and they said you have to cut

32:49

out the cancer this republican

32:51

party is a dangerous

32:53

rapidly metastasized and cancer on

32:55

the body politic and i think you have to

32:57

separate republican politicians

33:00

and the extreme

33:03

mega supporters that that show

33:05

up at the rallies and that have you know embrace

33:07

violence from other people who

33:10

sometimes oh republican and sometimes don't

33:12

and are thinking about leaving the party

33:14

or have left the party or haven't voted republican

33:16

in a while you just have to do that because it's

33:19

not as good as the right thing to do because it's fucking mass

33:22

like we cannot we cannot win without

33:24

those voters we in twenty in

33:27

twenty was the biggest turn out in history

33:30

on both sides and we

33:32

still only one by like out you know forty

33:34

thousand votes assists so

33:36

we actually need all of those voters just

33:38

as much as we need our base voters as well been

33:40

there has always been a right

33:43

wing extremists saxon in this country

33:46

the john birch are is the right wing malicious of the ninety's

33:48

a all they've always been there in at times

33:50

they've gained enough power that the republican

33:52

establishments has felt the need to accommodate

33:54

them in some ways the tea party is an example

33:56

of the precursor to the mega movements what

33:59

is different now is

34:01

it because we're in is very dangerous

34:03

moment where the structural biases of

34:05

the electoral college and the senate's gives

34:07

that right wing extremists

34:09

minority a massively disproportionate

34:12

share of the towers and then when you amplify

34:14

that wes a right wing media

34:17

the apparatus like fox news and a

34:19

social media far from my facebook which which communicates

34:21

that message that right wing message

34:24

the hyper speed at scale the

34:27

right wing fashion is now not just a

34:29

fashion to be accommodated it is the establishment

34:32

other property that is a leadership they're the ones interests

34:35

and what is interesting and notable bout

34:37

this moment at this is what biden has tried to defend

34:39

his can try to do tonight

34:42

the is

34:43

recognize that while this minority

34:45

is growing in power

34:48

it is not growing in numbers we

34:50

actually are living a rubber that extremists

34:53

minority is shrinking as percentage of the

34:55

population with there is a pro

34:57

democracy pro truth anti

35:00

maggots majority in this country

35:02

and the way to defeat fascism

35:04

or semi fascism is to appeal

35:07

to the what to the majority who

35:09

disagree with that and as include republicans

35:11

it's a good independence in you know it's going to really focus

35:13

on people who don't engage in

35:15

our political process and i do they

35:17

one key to do or who are bar the way targets

35:19

for either side yeah people who don't gain political

35:22

process they are that the the the

35:24

mega movement is reaching out to them to

35:27

so they are up for grabs they may actually

35:29

in some cases profile as people

35:31

who could end up being republicans geographically

35:33

and demographically and we have to be very aware that

35:36

but it as it as thing is important here is to

35:38

explain

35:40

who the public the real

35:42

world specific dangers

35:44

of this

35:46

extremists minority in this is where

35:48

the supreme court houses in a dobbs the

35:51

banning of books the promises to bad

35:53

ah marriage to outlaw marriage equality

35:55

to stop people from getting access

35:58

to either yes or touch with all those things are said this

36:00

is where the war on freedom matters

36:02

because it's not a war on a political

36:04

system that has never worked for large

36:06

portions of this country it's it is a war

36:09

on people's lives in this is what the dangerous

36:11

and wins whenever these moments have failed

36:13

whether it's the tea party or the reagan

36:15

revolution the nineties it is when the real

36:18

world consequences to the majority of the opinions

36:20

of the smarter become manifestly clear in

36:23

and i would add that to and the embrace of political

36:25

violence it which i think you

36:28

know i think i wouldn't lot of people like a

36:30

january six you know we've talked a lot about

36:32

like the fake electors in the in there and they had

36:34

apply to overturn the election which is fucking horrible

36:36

but like most americans like a bat in there like

36:39

yeah there's a right wing in this country that is now embrace

36:41

political violence and i don't like that that's a rope

36:44

okay when we come back i

36:46

will talk to former mayor of new orleans

36:48

mitch landrieu about implementing joe

36:50

biden infrastructure plan

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joining us now the former

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mayor of new orleans currently a special adviser

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to president biden who's in charge of implementing

40:28

the infrastructure law mitch landrieu

40:31

welcome back to the park

40:32

the great to be i miss you guys i know

40:34

lesson we say i think was in new orleans which is

40:36

a math orpheum theatre was a it was

40:38

a throwdown yeah much more much more fun

40:40

location in this interview us

40:44

old who was it was it of the dullness in the saints

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in a match them in iran of it it was love

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at enormous omelette so long as i don't do

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it don't do it he said you know know what you're talking

40:53

about us and okay we're just glad that he

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was also my amazon was mobbed on the

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spot that was among the i log and other

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say to the i'm was did make an honest citizen

41:01

i know and none of us are defending and we almost

41:04

as left in seville of that of them a lot

41:06

of i'd so the money from the infrastructure

41:08

law is is is starting to flow now

41:11

it's really starting to flown other over fifty

41:13

three hundred projects getting underway all over the country

41:16

what you want people to know about these projects especially

41:19

people whose eyes might glaze

41:21

over the second day hear

41:23

the word infrastructure well

41:26

you know the you don't use that word is about pets and were

41:28

everybody knows potholes are a pain in the but yeah

41:30

everybody knows the traffic really stinks everybody

41:32

knows what is full face to not be able

41:34

to pick their kids up or to get to work on

41:36

time or to get to wherever you're going

41:39

the so when we think about rebuilding

41:41

the roads and bridges and airports

41:43

and ports and the waterways

41:45

when we talking about making sure everybody has access

41:48

the high speed internet we're talking about clean

41:50

air safe water which is a major

41:52

problem that we haven't right now and

41:54

jackson mississippi just

41:56

the make a case in another will talk about the menace

41:58

of our to build a whole clean energy economy

42:01

would essentially means on that were really

42:03

rushing into a new way we're

42:06

of traveling in the things that we do people can

42:08

kind of see it in their real lives it's a little bit

42:10

hard because it's a it's a long term

42:12

peace but when the sauce or come around the ground and

42:14

you start seeing that yard oh man that's crazy

42:16

i mean things a change in pretty fast

42:19

for the better he i want to talk about

42:21

that because i am few weeks ago did a focus

42:23

group of or black voters in atlanta

42:25

for another podcast i'm working on and when i

42:27

asked which issue the most important

42:29

to them lot of people voluntarily

42:31

brought up one of the top issues

42:34

roeder all broken too many potholes

42:37

no good public transportation around here

42:40

and then they said we don't we heard joe biden was

42:42

gonna going to do something to fix this but nothing

42:44

seems sex i felt let

42:46

down obviously like but how do you wrap

42:48

your arms around the communication challenge

42:50

of talking about projects

42:52

that will in some cases takes

42:55

years to complete

42:57

yeah you know that's a real challenges know

42:59

there's no way to get around that these a long

43:01

term projects for me it's not like i'm

43:03

with with american rescue plan fonz

43:05

whether or the a recovery act

43:07

where you just putting money in people's pocketbook

43:09

is a see the next day you're actually building something

43:12

and it takes a while to build something as a consequence

43:14

it takes a while to see the consequences

43:17

of the so impatience is isn't

43:19

expected proposition

43:21

on this particular thing however you

43:23

know when to split it finally starts coming out of the ground

43:25

and you go man okay that's what they were talking

43:28

about your know that out of

43:30

think it's really kind of an unrealistic expectation

43:32

that nine months after the bill was

43:34

passed that a bridge was gonna be built for spot

43:37

windows and a political were all right and so when

43:39

puente as a baby the ukraine wow

43:41

and all this other stuff got on people are

43:43

thinking about that i'm as a not necessarily

43:46

think it about the road is getting six foot view

43:48

or you will begin to see if you haven't already

43:50

with fifty three hundred projects come out of the ground

43:53

the real consequence on top of that when we give you

43:55

just an example of real life sucks ten

43:57

million people have been connected to the internet that haven't

43:59

been connect before through the about affordable

44:01

connectivity programs so this stuff

44:03

will move out over time now in political years

44:06

everybody's gonna do something next month right

44:08

but infrastructure is not in political years

44:10

it's about buying a foundation for the future

44:13

i think you're going to your great benefit in a president

44:16

completely comfortable with doing what

44:19

is right arm and making sure that we

44:21

go fast but we also build a foundation

44:24

that actually brings the country together in the future

44:26

when i was in the obama administration i

44:28

always thought we should have been more explicit

44:31

in not taken credit for the recovery act infrastructure

44:33

projects truth we had signs up but i always

44:35

so the bad should had a big picture of obama

44:38

like that you get the ship a poster up there

44:40

but i'm not sure what the legal constraints are like

44:42

with what did you guys doing about that

44:44

yeah well as the first of all you know we hear this all

44:46

the time about who knew what wrong and how everybody

44:48

could have done a better right right all the stuff and

44:50

i think even president obama would say well we probably

44:53

could have you know tagged at a little bit more i'm

44:55

a mere if you build the project in in

44:57

the city where you are doesn't construction

44:59

sign that goes up as is brought to you by the

45:02

following administration i'm you'll actually

45:04

see that on these projects the the it will it

45:06

will say brought to you by the bipartisan

45:08

infrastructure law president joseph are by

45:11

and or something like that so the public

45:13

can see it but be that as it may this

45:15

is really a not the not so much

45:17

about taking credit although it's important the

45:20

country to know how this got done so

45:22

that they want to do it again they can replicate

45:24

actually would happen that's why it's important to

45:26

also important for accountability purposes and

45:29

on top of that i'm sure although

45:32

you know people who are who are running for or

45:34

against this war talk about

45:36

of during the campaign so to get a little bit high

45:38

visibility you know as a breakthrough

45:40

some of these other critical dated a issues people

45:43

concerned about and the as

45:45

bridge you start coming up the

45:47

new rail car start you know showing themselves

45:49

people go a while that's what they were talking

45:51

about yeah but they'll be some frustration because

45:53

it takes time to build stuff so it's just part of the game

45:56

you mentioned dad jackson mississippi which is

45:58

front page news right now community one hundred

46:00

and fifty thousand people eighty percent or black

46:02

there without running water right now in

46:05

a ninety plus degree heat storm

46:07

wiped out there water treatment plants last week

46:09

how how's be by the ministration

46:11

helping right now and also helping

46:14

to fix their infrastructure long term

46:16

well first of all this is a perfect example of why

46:18

the infrastructure law was needed we have massive

46:21

amounts of deferred maintenance across the country

46:23

in the city property state properties

46:26

in sadr properties which is one of the reasons why the president

46:28

thought it was important fast as built so

46:30

will work that that is just a long term project

46:33

as it relates to jackson would

46:35

you not i like situations in my city

46:37

like new orleans or in flint michigan are all

46:39

the places that have challenged water systems especially

46:42

predominately on black cities

46:44

you have the these kinds of events

46:47

that a catastrophic and a to the president has spoken

46:50

or to the mayor he spoken to the congressman

46:52

from that disregard ministration has been in touch

46:54

with the governor's office fema directors

46:56

heading down there tomorrow we expect

46:58

to have a team of people working hand in

47:00

glove every day the mayor and

47:03

governor for the short term medium and long

47:05

term the most important thing right now is to make sure

47:07

that safety measures are taking that that

47:09

people have access to water and we're

47:11

working with the mayor's office and the congressmen the make

47:14

sure that we can do our part in that

47:16

remember though that money has been censor the say

47:18

enter the city and that this has been a challenge

47:21

not just this past weekend but for

47:23

some time and this is one of the reasons why

47:25

the infrastructure bill is so critically

47:27

important so that we at least from the federal level

47:30

have the resources necessary to partner

47:32

with the city i know what to say to

47:34

make sure that everybody has access to safe

47:36

striking war

47:38

your job is to obviously work with governors

47:40

and elected officials have both parties on these

47:42

projects and i know there's been

47:44

some tension with republican governors wanting to use

47:46

the money to build more highways

47:49

more do other things that don't align with the

47:51

administration's environmental administration's climate

47:53

change goals how are you handling

47:56

yeah at mobile income thanks first of all

47:58

presidents and said to me you know an hour the

48:00

president of a pretty good iran in the recovery

48:02

act as a yes or as you are an

48:04

hour and he said i want you to stay in touch with the mayors

48:06

and governors i've called every governor in the country

48:09

and spoken to them or the chief of staff of

48:11

ask them on the behalf of the president to appoint an

48:13

infrastructure toward in which all of them had done

48:15

including the has evolved or azores i've

48:18

talked to hundreds of mayors and we are

48:20

i'm clear about this on behalf of the process

48:23

that you can do this without the federal government

48:25

the state government and the local governments working

48:27

together now we live in a

48:29

political world and there's gotta be some tension

48:31

not everybody's know agree on everything but i

48:34

haven't been part of any disagreement that

48:36

was really troubled me i mean that's outside

48:39

of the balance for example you know the governor

48:41

of north dakota south dakota may say listen you

48:44

know what works in new york city a works in atlanta

48:46

may not work here so let's work together

48:49

and my the way you can't tell me exactly

48:51

what to do on the governor i have some rules

48:53

and we go year and weep for the most part

48:55

have ever worked it out i haven't really come

48:57

across a situation where it's for

49:00

com impenetrable yet i'm and

49:02

one of the reasons is it would constantly saying

49:04

it's arch nemesis that made

49:06

we live in a political world what

49:08

for the most important everybody likes

49:10

investment in infrastructure and guess what every

49:13

republican that voted against this as

49:15

as the speaker said they voted no but they wanted

49:17

to do so when you're in you're you're in

49:19

the execution mode of this thing it

49:22

becomes very non political and

49:24

you just gotta get the street do you gotta get the paavo

49:26

filters are like to say there's no republican or democratic

49:28

way to fill way pothole just feel the damn

49:30

patil so we want to know

49:32

fast but here's the thing we

49:34

also want to build well so it's critically

49:36

important that we think about equity that

49:38

we think about inclusion that would are building

49:41

highways a split historically african american

49:43

you know community support as a matter of

49:45

fact we use money to reconnect them

49:48

that when we're thinking about water that we actually

49:50

don't just go to certain parts of the country go

49:52

to everywhere i was in laos county alabama

49:54

the other day that make you know a surprise

49:57

people in this country that not every american citizen

49:59

has indoor plumbing that

50:01

is actually raw sewage and are running out of millions

50:03

of homes catherine flowers has been leading us efforts

50:06

in laos county are along

50:08

with congress or men and women have been talking

50:10

about this of those investments to make sure that people

50:12

just have access to clean water

50:15

the investment in lead pipes the an african

50:17

american communities to seek to clean out

50:19

my time so that so the kids are not drinking

50:21

dirty war there's billions of dollars

50:24

to replace those as well and there's

50:26

a lot of money on the environmental

50:28

cleanup side of cleaning up brownfield sites

50:30

cleaning up orphan wells cleaning

50:32

up abandoned mine lands cleaning up superfund

50:34

sites than investing in the restoration of

50:37

great lakes all across the country is

50:39

a massive investments in improving

50:41

the lives of americans and then finally there's

50:44

on is clean energy economy peace

50:46

they're going to blow the roof off right now and you

50:48

see the private sector starting to respond

50:51

that a really dramatic way to the

50:53

market signals that we're sending about

50:55

how we're going to electrify the economy so

50:58

fortify the energy grid making

51:00

sure that we have new sources of energy and all

51:02

the subject that for gm siemens

51:05

tritium today the as an announcement

51:07

another two billion dollar announcement of bringing

51:09

manufacturing back to the united states

51:11

of america producing high paying

51:13

union jobs and rebuilding

51:15

communities across the country so we're

51:18

well on our way if is a long

51:20

slog were pushed in iraq up you're right now

51:22

the were absolutely going to get the or and the

51:24

country's gonna be better for

51:26

you're working with a republican governors this is a bipartisan

51:28

bill as you said infrastructure is is

51:30

an issue where butler both parties can

51:32

come together everyone likes roads and bridges

51:35

in there are in their state industry president

51:37

is also given a speech tonight echo

51:40

a lot of what he said the last few weeks

51:42

or which is that the you know ultra

51:44

mega republicans are a threat to our democracy

51:46

where do you think about that

51:49

well i think what the first of all on i

51:51

want to get out of the president's speech tonight but

51:53

i have heard him speak there's many

51:55

times and what he what are what i believe

51:57

he's going to try to communicate to the contrary

52:00

that america is a very

52:02

unique and exceptional place in with the

52:04

only

52:05

the ways that has lasted this long based

52:08

on a simple idea that you all come to the table

52:10

democracy as equals and

52:13

that we are democratic in the sense that

52:15

i'm everybody gets a choice everybody

52:17

gets a chance to say what they need to say and what we disagree

52:20

we try to do it in agreeable fashion

52:22

even though we can be passionate about a but you gotta stay

52:25

within the bounds of the constitution

52:27

historically there have been ah a small

52:29

number of americans that have farmers outside

52:32

of those bounds and i think it's his

52:34

impression that there is a good group of people that

52:36

now call themselves mega republicans

52:39

that outside of that now he's not talking

52:41

about all republicans he's not talking about all dependencies

52:43

talking about the idea what

52:45

makes america strong and what makes america

52:47

great in is calling us back into focus

52:50

on that and so it's critically

52:52

important than he reminds the nation

52:55

of why we hear what we're supposed to be doing

52:58

and who we are and this can

53:00

be a lot of disagreement within those vows what

53:02

they can be any disagreement about the peaceful transition

53:04

of power they can't see any disagreement

53:06

about about whether insurrection

53:09

as a good thing or a bad thing that can't be any

53:11

disagreement about whether or not you auto

53:13

threatened violence against the f b

53:15

i or against the police as outside of

53:17

the balance our think that's the one

53:19

of those discussions that we have to have this country

53:21

is how we bring it back in we can be passionate

53:24

love i'm from a big found any brothers

53:26

sisters we don't all think alike we are a lot

53:28

of really tough discussions at

53:30

the kitchen table but you know one of the end of it was

53:33

still family and we figure out a way to live

53:35

together in a peaceful way and i

53:37

think the president wants to speak to that issue

53:39

tonight i'm and call us back

53:41

into our that the the center

53:44

of what it means to really

53:46

be the great country that we all process that we

53:48

wanna be i mean you've mean you've about

53:50

this yourself you give one of my favorite speeches

53:52

about your decision to remove or

53:54

for confederate monuments when you're mayor of new orleans

53:57

racism and and right wing extreme

54:00

them have only gotten worse since then like

54:02

looking around the political landscape today

54:04

how do you think we you'll some

54:06

of these wounds get back to that table together

54:09

and and really keep a multiracial

54:11

democracy alive while

54:13

i think that's one of the face of president wants to speak

54:15

to this doesn't mean that we should have arguments

54:18

it shouldn't mean that we should be passionate but

54:20

it does mean that we have to recommit ourselves

54:23

to the notion that we all belong here

54:25

and we all have a voice but

54:27

we also have to set parameters and say that

54:29

when i'm favor of violence we're not in

54:31

favor of autocracy we're not in

54:33

favor of the kinds of things of unfortunately

54:37

we have started to see now it's my personal opinion

54:39

on that speaking on behalf of the present here but i'm

54:41

a thirty as we spent grown up in the south

54:43

on this is this is that this been

54:46

around a long time down here it's

54:48

just got into a megaphone that's been

54:50

bigger and other folks who said will have less

54:53

are saying and out loud you don't

54:55

listen to the remnants of the george wallace

54:57

a bull connor you know or other folks

54:59

this rhetoric even david do this

55:01

rhetoric is very very very familiar

55:04

that's coming from a very small section of

55:06

the country which is really kind

55:08

of starting to push themselves into

55:11

what some folks used to think was mainstream

55:13

stop and and i think that you gotta say

55:15

love texas out about and

55:17

that's not who we are on a think least

55:20

cheney i'm you know in in of

55:22

or i can't think of a thing that i agree with

55:24

iran quite frankly i'm accept

55:26

that she both he's on

55:28

as the why that there are some guard

55:30

rails a democracy that once we get out

55:32

of we just can't have a country again

55:35

and so i think they are plenty of people that a much

55:37

more conservative than me much more conservative

55:39

than the president that would fall well

55:41

within that boundary but what we

55:43

can't lose is a very simple idea that

55:45

we come to the table democracy as equals that

55:48

we are peaceful transition of power that

55:50

people ought to have access to the polls that

55:52

we ought to be self determining as a country and

55:54

that's quite frankly when we don't have do that

55:57

we miss an incredible opportunity

55:59

to do what the president says his big things

56:02

which is why i'm really excited about infrastructure because

56:04

i think it's the fruit points first of all with

56:06

physically building bridges more

56:08

also you know spiritually

56:10

and away finding a way to use infrastructure

56:13

to to to connect people by demonstrating

56:16

that if you put the and your i

56:17

the allergy you can actually literally

56:20

build a big thing by connecting everybody

56:22

to the internet and just think about this for

56:24

a minute if you got a little kid sitting

56:26

on the super the lower ninth ward

56:29

are you gonna allow kids sit in on the on

56:31

on the porch in the halls of kentucky indoor

56:33

cats can talk to are you got somebody sit not

56:35

in a tribal community in alaska and

56:38

they're little kids and they don't have access

56:40

to to the internet desktop

56:43

they have access to the and and that and they have

56:45

access to knowledge which is the great leveller

56:47

you may be looking

56:49

if the kid is actually gonna take us to mars

56:51

you may be looking at the next doctor that's gonna

56:53

find the next great york's to think it

56:55

unleashes a huge amount of

56:58

potential enter people have an easy way to get

57:00

to and from that's even better and of

57:02

public transportation is available he

57:04

has entered clean energy were all the said the united

57:06

states of america there's looking at

57:08

everybody else in the world in their rear view

57:10

mirror and we're not beholden to any

57:13

body and was sand and on our own two feet and

57:15

were producing jobs it makes sense now we can get

57:17

past i'm very very difficult

57:20

issue of race and we can get passes issue

57:22

of white nationalism extremism

57:24

there's really nothing that holds america back

57:27

we gotta figure out how to do that and we can

57:29

do that within the parameters of

57:31

the constitutional framework that

57:33

that we've all experienced in a long period of time which is

57:35

at risk right now which is why the president says

57:37

we're at a moment of crisis where to wait

57:40

with it's an existential threat and

57:42

we have to make a choice in this country it really

57:44

isn't about republican vs democrat is

57:46

about freedom versus autocracy and freedom

57:49

will always win

57:50

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59:02

okay before we go it is time

59:04

for another round of take appreciate

59:07

her with our chief take officer allies

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account elijah i know that you have been just

59:11

building up takes for a while now

59:14

because we have it we haven't done this and little bit and

59:16

i know that you're just bursting at the same with

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takes yes i

59:21

certainly am are top run a server

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with

59:24

okay expand on this is

59:26

really hard to narrow it down but i feel it's even

59:29

nicer ray of takes for you

59:31

see gentleman say

59:33

oh good a good spread could spread it takes like

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like the i'll get like a critic a platter

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i mean i'll explain for the audience you may not have

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i'm going to share some takes with you both the producers

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of seeing these tanks john and date of not

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they will react in and re them on a scale of one

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to four politicos with for being the

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worst

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of cricket the sweet it's a quote sweet

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the original tweet poses the clear said when

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did the geo p become the party of

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spent his entire campaign being accused

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of killing big bird building

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the family dog etc etc

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she said

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unfortunately or fortunately

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we know that some fox news contributor

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slash twitter person who i don't know

1:01:02

where where she came from bethany mendell tweeted

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it's and look

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at it really hits home for for

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for me and and having but on it's way too often for

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success

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i am so sorry i'm

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so sorry that barack obama dared

1:01:20

to run against mitt romney he should

1:01:22

have just he should have just given up after his

1:01:24

first term and let mitt romney when it's

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and the fact that he called him and it's

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an odd of touch plutocrat is

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just unforgivable unforgivable

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the fact that he wanted to d fun

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pbs the vacuous assists

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the vet keep it did he not put the family dog

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on the car next to

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that not happen i think that happened i

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think that happened

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where would

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i want even as we all know i respect

1:01:52

mitt romney for doing everything he could to sit

1:01:54

it's to save democracy right now from donald trump

1:01:57

and voting to impeach the guy that's great

1:01:59

maybe he's

1:01:59

maybe he's learned and and grown as a person

1:02:02

since he put his his dog on the car roof what

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i to gives

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mitt romney credit for doing the bare fucking

1:02:10

minimum congratulations

1:02:13

like that is it you know what and a party where

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no one else would have bare minimum when you do you can be

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as europe's right the profiles in courage

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are graded on a curse and you got one mitt romney

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i was just a game

1:02:24

this is hop in the old time machine and

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go back to twenty two right

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let's talk about that camping because

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mitt romney with

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not the pro democracy

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moral conscious of the republican party backs

1:02:39

and hear someone

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who basically got on his

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proverbial nice to beg donald

1:02:46

trump

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there is interesting begged him

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whether trump tower to seek that adores met him

1:02:52

when he got it he celebrated he's

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, it as a way to when when

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rick perry the ah recent

1:02:59

dancing with the stars contestant then

1:03:01

republican governor got in the race in seen as

1:03:03

a real threat to mitt romney's attempt

1:03:05

to beat attempt bunch of yahoos like michele bachmann

1:03:08

what did he do he went far to

1:03:11

the right on immigration and ran

1:03:13

and immigration platforms as

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right wing as donald trump's his solution

1:03:18

to immigration was self deportation the

1:03:20

wanted to cut social security and medicare he

1:03:24

, he it's campaign surrogates who made

1:03:26

incredibly racist

1:03:28

comments about barack obama new

1:03:30

congress hybrid along with the food stamp president

1:03:32

which is about as subtle as fuck out

1:03:34

know what's so let's not pretend

1:03:36

to he was running when all and on the big ghazi

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conspiracy yes on the night

1:03:41

after they've within like twelve

1:03:43

hours of americans dying and because

1:03:45

he held a press conference to try to

1:03:47

use it as political ammunition to save

1:03:49

his feeling campaigns in that first

1:03:51

debate where he did oh so fucking well city

1:03:53

wide his ass off the entire time

1:03:55

and brought up on this failure with

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, did not respond to those why

1:04:00

aggressively or who's actually blown away it's that

1:04:02

a human being who claim to be such

1:04:04

an honest straightforward boyscout which is why

1:04:07

to the nation that much so

1:04:09

let's not pretend that anything was out of bounds

1:04:12

barack obamas beating mitt romney

1:04:14

did not take way for trump isn't the sort

1:04:16

of campaign that mitt romney ran

1:04:18

made it easier for donald trump's you have

1:04:20

the nomination for years though i'm

1:04:22

sorry it's stop blaming brock

1:04:24

obama for donald trump is your fault

1:04:27

republicans you did this yeah

1:04:29

five hundred fucking politicos

1:04:37

and i did was i

1:04:39

who wanted say i genuinely

1:04:42

admire

1:04:43

mitt romney for what he has gone

1:04:45

the last several years i don't even think it with that

1:04:47

i think he a east to genuine political

1:04:49

courage over the last few years and

1:04:51

also have zero regrets about

1:04:53

the campaign we ran against him and twenty two zero

1:04:57

a million politico same with them all the

1:04:59

political how dare we attack him for

1:05:01

wanting to cut taxes for the

1:05:03

rich by raising them on the middle class which with his

1:05:06

plans i'm in favour

1:05:08

stuff cause i

1:05:11

, sound the murder big vs just wanted to do

1:05:13

not own a bus like this

1:05:16

isn't the point but also just a little cherry

1:05:18

on top of this takes is that he said if

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i had to pinpoint a moment and then less

1:05:22

like five moments that's just

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that's little extra syntax thing that drives

1:05:26

me crazy about that we

1:05:28

and if we needed anything else we

1:05:31

, tell him to to to to sing who

1:05:33

let the dogs out like that and then put one on the

1:05:35

roof of his car we didn't have we not how

1:05:38

him to do that i will say after

1:05:40

that and i want to centralize you for giving me

1:05:42

this opportunity i feel exhausted

1:05:45

but hadn't birds ssssss

1:05:48

ssssss this is gonna go viral alija thinking

1:05:51

allies is now doing his you

1:05:53

he's not only take appreciate her hair he's also

1:05:55

alija social video master

1:05:58

into thinking about how to clip this and

1:05:59

and then the down and listen to the internet

1:06:02

search for my for this crap on twitter at bethany

1:06:04

meant are quite tweeted okay so

1:06:07

damn let's see i'm glad you're feeling better but i'm gonna

1:06:09

play back down with ah this

1:06:11

next one armed services one

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day services see have in bursting at the seems that

1:06:15

have been sitting on a for a while i'm glad i'm haven't

1:06:17

expose it in a public chain on slack

1:06:21

a week or two old it's from

1:06:23

the wall street journal it's a piece titled

1:06:25

bought her emails a defense

1:06:28

of one about as

1:06:30

oh my god oh my cars

1:06:32

assist assist these is obviously about the

1:06:34

app the i read on moral i go here's

1:06:36

a quote from it

1:06:38

hillary clinton's treatment of that emails

1:06:40

and server were wrong even if they didn't

1:06:42

constitute a crime mister trump's

1:06:44

removal of possibly classified information

1:06:47

might be wrong to until mister

1:06:49

garland fully and specifically

1:06:51

answers the hard questions about what appears

1:06:53

to be on equal application

1:06:55

of rules and practices what

1:06:57

about her emails will be pertinent question

1:07:00

the is the author really puts a server the top

1:07:02

who wrote

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hi this is in the wall street journal

1:07:06

yes

1:07:07

the contributor i don't know this person's

1:07:10

right

1:07:12

you go visit some of

1:07:16

the up surpass those

1:07:18

going to take him stressful but that does i started

1:07:21

varied matt louis asked to me and series of

1:07:23

the wall street journal says it's or eli lake

1:07:25

it's not with you it's get him

1:07:27

yeah larry david hates this person

1:07:30

oh the dirceu justices

1:07:33

advisory services the

1:07:36

yet another client base hit the

1:07:38

dirt was disinvited zoo says

1:07:41

walking around martha's vineyard with the

1:07:43

scarlet letter on of the

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the

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okay i i i don't even know

1:07:50

where to get like were

1:07:53

awarded that he would is even mean by

1:07:55

america like fuckin jim

1:07:57

com he decided to come out right before an election

1:07:59

and

1:07:59

if i can press conference about

1:08:02

charges that were never brought up everything

1:08:04

that merrick garland says her said so

1:08:06

far but on trump has been a result of donald

1:08:08

trump's own fucking idiocy if

1:08:10

don't have to just shut the fuck up we

1:08:12

probably wouldn't know about any of this right now

1:08:17

one point three politicos

1:08:19

wow yeah

1:08:22

this is hoover

1:08:25

move in his fastball they're out on of riverhead most

1:08:27

assists

1:08:29

that we get me wrong for of is now

1:08:31

and it is certainly so much the i

1:08:34

what about her emails the defense of

1:08:36

a what about her emails the

1:08:38

most annoying talking point

1:08:40

we'll we'll turned out of the and there was like awesome

1:08:42

like you know classified markings here and there

1:08:44

that but probably should have been on there was like a low

1:08:46

classification meanwhile trump's got

1:08:49

like the highest level classified

1:08:51

documents that he stole

1:08:53

and hid in his basement the as a little different

1:08:55

yes hillary clinton cooperated

1:08:57

with the investigation yes

1:09:00

you can and he has famously not cooperate

1:09:02

as a nice it's not want not who are for

1:09:04

it is like pretty much says citing

1:09:07

the documents and wiser the sci as

1:09:09

obstruction sounds a little different a

1:09:12

little different but it's okay

1:09:14

so oh political reading the

1:09:16

gonna last one i have so many but this will be the

1:09:19

last one as they are taking

1:09:21

any for listeners like andy is that we've produced

1:09:23

on the south are all it takes and she's normally like so

1:09:25

polite and reserve at something about the

1:09:27

sweet taste of price is inner

1:09:29

hater

1:09:30

like a move from an be out isn't a

1:09:32

bad dad said takes a lot randy to

1:09:34

get into to the surface and

1:09:37

ago was just love the weight of all of them

1:09:39

together but

1:09:43

this one is from the washington post

1:09:45

the heavily ratio peace when it came

1:09:47

out i don't ah

1:09:50

what biden could gain from

1:09:52

pardoning trump ah

1:09:57

here suffer from it

1:09:59

it isn't clear

1:09:59

pardoning trump would hurt by them politically

1:10:02

on the contrary making such a startling

1:10:04

move could put the weary president

1:10:06

bass in the center of the political universe

1:10:09

scramble political alignment to make his former

1:10:11

rival as he accepts the humbling offer

1:10:13

appear small he

1:10:16

could get have a unique opportunity to

1:10:18

explain his position to the

1:10:20

country's advantage and his own

1:10:23

those who wrote

1:10:27

the ghost of gerald ford you

1:10:29

, person i dunno what kind

1:10:31

of a is , i

1:10:34

just want to ask about this take that i haven't read this

1:10:36

piece the is

1:10:38

is the conclusion here that like are

1:10:40

there some kind of a deal where joe biden pardons

1:10:43

donald trump donald trump agreed never to run

1:10:45

for president again or is it literally

1:10:47

just he had pardon him and that's that

1:10:49

know it's fear punditry and be good for biden

1:10:52

he grabbed a spotlight that set

1:10:54

of i yeah it's nice to scare punditry

1:10:56

with this person or bridge is

1:10:58

as a as some questions or is this a

1:11:01

regular columnist for the washington post

1:11:03

or contributor it's of appears

1:11:05

of their regular columnist for they have they have com

1:11:08

not an opinion columns so that may

1:11:10

make a little harder

1:11:11

that henry olson it's not right for henry

1:11:13

olson is the fourth you know that didn't make the

1:11:15

coffee or he has a he's had a lot of yes recently

1:11:18

i was gonna guess before he said that

1:11:20

that it was part of

1:11:22

bill clinton's polling duo of mark

1:11:24

i'm not that sounds see diary

1:11:26

i'm as if as if not thought of love

1:11:29

contributor leaves your inner city

1:11:31

thomas now see as is funnier at

1:11:34

yeah to sell it says amazon jason right

1:11:37

that an amount of the reverse and that's supposed

1:11:41

to say that takes that sip

1:11:44

as sip said heavily racier piece by

1:11:46

an omen say embrace debate i actually kinda like

1:11:48

this take to see as

1:11:50

your your you like to say i like that i think it's

1:11:53

like moldova yeah and you can grab the narrative pack

1:11:55

ice is like well maybe

1:11:59

i was it

1:11:59

either a wedding last weekend and of

1:12:02

friend of the pod give up to me and started talking

1:12:04

about all this and

1:12:05

then she had asked what what i was just thinking

1:12:08

the conclusion may be which is like what a what

1:12:10

if biden pardon trump of there's some agreement

1:12:12

that trump never and for president again and that

1:12:14

agreement i was like let's

1:12:17

, as a terrible for

1:12:19

smith they're less that vicinity of to

1:12:21

buy to think about a trump i'm not into yeah no

1:12:23

we don't your political productions that the amount of why

1:12:25

there's also no these are the other that's not a real

1:12:27

thing i know the answer make that kind of a deal this mislead

1:12:30

us is he going to sign a dollar yeah we're we're

1:12:32

going to justice is does his signature and and

1:12:34

seat a man of his word donald trump

1:12:37

would like to miss hate the deal with you then can't

1:12:40

undo at the just my awareness of access

1:12:42

you know it ideal would have been a fuckin republicans

1:12:45

voted to impeach him after the insurrection

1:12:47

that's what it would have and then he wouldn't have been able to walk

1:12:49

and run for president again if we had finally just

1:12:51

convicted him that was the whole purpose the second impeachment

1:12:53

they didn't do that so here we are now he gets

1:12:55

indict it's that

1:12:57

a dumb take better beckett stuff

1:13:00

gets one for me for physicists

1:13:02

have

1:13:03

the point

1:13:05

okay i , or only the point

1:13:07

system now where were we used to do half

1:13:09

an hour just now into point eight point three

1:13:11

we work with a person in the obama

1:13:13

white house who told me once that they always

1:13:16

made their predictions based times ah

1:13:19

there an economist based i'd like

1:13:21

it very specific percentages because

1:13:23

because they were to congress every if the more specifics

1:13:25

of predictions the more people thought it was very serious

1:13:28

so likes of like a thirty percent

1:13:30

chance is so i can dismiss for like thirty

1:13:32

three point eight percent chance you will typically you must have

1:13:34

a map from to get there was , furman

1:13:37

snuff

1:13:39

it really bad day for the i

1:13:41

the point system i mean the first woman to like millions

1:13:43

or hundreds of politicos now are

1:13:45

there was a big range there's a big where i think we're

1:13:47

going i have two thoughts of this then we get little

1:13:49

going around up one is i think we need

1:13:51

to expand the

1:13:54

ah number of politicos available

1:13:56

because the oh i feel an allegorical

1:13:59

embracing and

1:13:59

the

1:14:01

i read we brought

1:14:03

into what i call the glenn kessler problem is

1:14:05

when you only have a scale of one to for

1:14:08

the , why is three the same as joe

1:14:10

biden the city the number of people who got vaccinated

1:14:12

on a thursday writer was like four pinocchios

1:14:14

is the greatest why ever told ads sort

1:14:17

of an egregious the state and so we might needs

1:14:19

like i didn't feel like the for play

1:14:22

box with sufficient to give bethany

1:14:24

mendell the credit we need some be able to have some distinction

1:14:26

they're so just that's one thing to put yeah

1:14:29

producer and i also i also feel like there's

1:14:31

been a lot of i'm really horrible

1:14:33

takes but better just they're

1:14:36

pretty dumb i feel like a person wasn't

1:14:38

trying that hard for like two like a person

1:14:40

doesn't really know how to play take

1:14:42

appreciate her you know like doesn't understand

1:14:45

that what they're supposed to do is to be as

1:14:47

troll this is possible in trigger us in a way

1:14:49

that bethany mandela clearly the

1:14:51

caved i think we are i'm i'm interested

1:14:54

in some more those takes maybe they're not there because maybe

1:14:56

those people maybe that maybe the trolls distance

1:14:58

on their game lately but i'd like to hear from

1:15:01

us the other idea what to just throw out

1:15:03

there skus were doing a lot of internal

1:15:05

planning on this external platform today says

1:15:09

, is one

1:15:11

i'd write his tweet write his your own

1:15:13

ideas for the for the crickets the so

1:15:16

i listen to the the rigorous

1:15:18

and a superbowl party as they do this great game

1:15:20

called to jorgensen allies played

1:15:22

you to like very specific football

1:15:25

jorgensen they made wanted to the up and then the whole

1:15:27

the other she was of to tickets are we there

1:15:29

is a rather wedges of cereal idea

1:15:32

and a fake takes than

1:15:35

that reaches came up with the game why did

1:15:37

we literally meeting all we did a meat we did

1:15:39

a meeting at the end of a pod the ice i

1:15:41

just says i just control control

1:15:45

what is it control as control these i was just before disease

1:15:47

control series of know when

1:15:50

you finally find interplay i assists

1:15:53

i do see to certain idea had just of football

1:15:55

out and put politics and were like resources

1:15:58

would we came up with the every

1:16:00

gray media company does or right assets

1:16:02

were going to call it for today that's our take

1:16:04

appreciate or thank you allies her as

1:16:06

always for forgiveness

1:16:09

given us your worst takes thank you to mitch

1:16:11

landrieu for joining the pod ever and have a great weekend

1:16:13

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