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2:06

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right let's get to the news this

4:00

is the week we find out whether

4:02

the mansion miracle is real

4:05

or whether kyrstin cinema yanks away the football

4:08

one last time an author or

4:10

our boy from west virginia who we have

4:12

always told you would come through

4:14

in the and how many times have we said that on

4:16

this pro hundreds and hundreds of times we

4:18

always said that he was out on the sunday

4:20

shows this weekend trying to sell with

4:22

are now calling the inflation reduction

4:25

act of twenty of twenty i

4:27

like him and mean simple

4:29

simple the remember when a raft

4:31

say the other the other free again i don't have

4:33

an upper to and weren't know nothing exists

4:35

or this was your mansions message to his goods

4:37

and from arizona this weekend i think the

4:39

basic when she looks at the dancing the whole

4:42

the vacuum of what we're doing and all of the energy

4:44

we're bringing and all the reduction of prices

4:47

and fighting inflation are bringing prices down

4:49

by having more energy hopefully she will be positive

4:51

about it but in a shoemaker decision

4:53

i respect that

4:54

hopefully she'll be positive about it in an understatement

4:57

ah , i know tommy whenever the deals headlines

5:00

on thursdays pod with a de su was

5:02

fantastic gotta get a d c back on the for

5:04

any time great great like my events

5:07

but there's been a lot more reporting about the details over

5:09

the weekend love it what's your

5:11

what's your general reaction to the deal we haven't gonna let we

5:13

let go to take your had they've america from yeah that

5:15

that sanctuary opportunity opportunity

5:18

fifth you

5:21

have any had your variety show where i talked

5:23

about those yet the hear that years of exits

5:25

are so first of all you know they always say oh

5:27

well we're going to dig into the details new devils

5:29

in the details and you expect to get a fine like

5:32

the whole museums and national mall houseboat

5:35

such as it is it's really good article

5:37

would be a fine trick i would have had a little

5:40

more all we're you're at where do they the size

5:42

of spielberg's hideous world war two more

5:44

a we obviously support the veterans still

5:47

i believe in vienna middle them all i do need

5:49

zero a good job and ninety at his in the garage

5:51

cause as an ugly memorial

5:53

i officially with the since we

5:57

, obviously be fine with that

5:59

either that's what would you would would would be annoying

6:01

but it's actually really good you

6:04

guys better with heather that it meets four fifths of

6:07

the goals of bill back better one one climate

6:09

of i there is one our climate expert professor

6:11

who just ah shouted on social media

6:13

this is real in in

6:16

, relief a policy experts

6:18

say that he get you anywhere from thirty one to forty four

6:20

percent ah of the reduction of

6:22

climate solution rather to two thousand and five that's

6:25

a big leap from where we are now and by twenty thirty

6:27

two by twenty thirty ah that's a

6:29

big leap from where we are now

6:31

and the biden administration goal the

6:33

read the goal is fifty to sixty two percent so

6:35

it's two percent that in the realm of the possible

6:38

we have to do a lot more to get there by getting

6:40

to forty four percent on our way to fifty percent

6:42

is a pretty amazing step forward yeah in the biden

6:44

goal of fifty percent the way

6:47

was a goal that he arrived at after really

6:49

been pushed in the primary by

6:51

both other candidates and climate activists so

6:53

that in itself was it was it was a pretty

6:56

a lot of a goal is a huge reduction like this if they

6:58

have you they're not very big deal and

7:01

you know the tax credits and credits and and more like

7:03

direct payments you get the my guaranteed

7:05

for ten years if you build a plant that

7:07

generates carbon free electricity up until now it's been

7:09

like a year to year the tax cuts last which is harder

7:11

for businesses to make decisions around tax

7:13

credit for electric vehicles of seventy

7:15

five hundred dollars that they're means tested

7:17

see if you're super rich you can get

7:19

it's rebates for people who buy energy

7:22

efficient appliances or make their homes energy efficient

7:24

yeah it's the it's a big of climate investment in history

7:27

four times bigger than the climate investment

7:29

from the recovery act in two

7:31

thousand and nine and that was the previous leader

7:34

of the biggest climate investment in history and one

7:36

other business to as it were obviously focused on

7:38

climate change this is a bill that's

7:40

focused on reductions aimed at curbing

7:43

climate pollution but the knock on effects of that

7:45

on the kind of humbled solution that causes

7:47

asthma the cause of premature deaths the cause a lot

7:49

of illness that just causes our

7:52

communities especially ah poor

7:54

communities to just be worse places to live in

7:56

this will make a huge difference is one line is

7:58

as it's a small piece of that's one billion dollars

8:00

for clean heavy vehicles like buses

8:03

and garbage trucks and that's

8:05

that's that's just one line is not

8:07

a big piece of this but just making those changes

8:10

to put clean vehicles on the road

8:12

would reduce a ton of pollution that just harms

8:14

a lot of kids every single day it will just make

8:16

places me communities safer and better

8:18

places to live through their what the city parts

8:21

yes or two hundred you into the city parks i means

8:23

they're city but they're sitting the short term short

8:25

term city because i work for

8:27

to requiring i'm going term city and

8:29

sort them and it will require the us government open

8:32

new locations for oil and gas leasing in alaska

8:34

and the gulf of mexico then it will forbid

8:36

the government from selling leases to install solar wind

8:38

on federal lands or see for as

8:40

when it isn't also have an oil and gas and then

8:43

it's some point in the near future we hadn't been

8:45

written yet literally there's going to be a bill that

8:47

permitting reform that will probably make

8:49

it easier for to create fossil fuel

8:51

projects but it could also make

8:53

it easier to create wind farms and renewable

8:55

projects so there is some bad

8:58

to take with the good i

9:00

think on balance almost every expert

9:02

i've read thinks this is a a wildly important

9:04

fill the morning just to and because that was my

9:07

question to about sort of what is the impact of these

9:09

leases these estimates that the reduction

9:11

they can be as high as forty four percent those the

9:13

incorporate the effect of expanded

9:16

oil and gas leasing they're trying to include

9:19

the effects of those kind of all

9:21

of the above or visions in

9:23

making this estimates yes up some calculations

9:25

on at the national resources defense council

9:27

ran the numbers may have the emissions

9:29

cuts would be ten times greater than effects

9:32

on a support the deal extends to fossil fuels another

9:34

and think about it is for every one ton

9:36

of carbon emissions that the deal puts out or

9:39

it takes away twenty four times to good deals

9:41

is pretty good deal ah and also you know

9:43

it's a good deal because the coal industry says

9:45

that it will hurt the coal industry is not the head

9:47

of a trade group their said that the west west virginia would

9:50

actually be one of the states with the largest number of coal retirements

9:52

due to the wind and solar tax credits

9:54

they're upset about that that's

9:56

getting family visited permitting reform like

9:58

it it's a big question how will they come together

10:01

to make this work but it's also true that you

10:03

see a lot of nimby types who won't

10:05

let solar farms are in a wind

10:07

farms go up on their property or in their area and

10:09

we need to make it easier to create

10:11

those projects or elsewhere and get stuck in bureaucratic

10:13

morass and everyone in and tell me what else do we

10:15

know about are or how the thing came together

10:18

amanda has become a couple big pieces

10:20

about that over the weekend yeah i looked victory

10:22

as a thousand father's but i'm defeatist

10:24

north and right so you're getting soggy are taking credit

10:27

here i am mothers sure

10:29

and you know just parents okay

10:33

you're not by or people create political victories

10:35

to town of this out that is actually right so

10:37

the white house's out there talking about how brian de sua

10:39

runs the national economic council you

10:41

have made a trip to west virginia was keeping an open

10:44

line dimension every senator

10:46

or member of our congressmen who talk

10:48

to your mansion last six months is is

10:50

dishing on whatever they did you know stumps

10:52

i frito was someone a segment how they were

10:54

printing out climate change news for

10:56

him and passing and think it was one of the am both

10:59

have a delaware bro's are taking credit for this coons

11:01

end the wind and carper

11:04

they're so here's a flood both of both of dance

11:06

potential opponents you know

11:08

where you're a senior citizen scream

11:10

at ceos like bill gates calling him and sagna

11:12

jobs if be creating west virginia or

11:14

friend larry summers liberal lion liberal hero

11:17

the liberal icon get ah larry summers

11:19

called to talk about how the bill would not lead

11:22

to more inflation i think when one of various

11:24

points is the there's a lot

11:26

there's a provision in there that would give the iris

11:28

more resources to do it's job and get

11:30

taxes from people are them and where he

11:32

thinks that the congressional budget office and

11:34

with if scored the impact

11:37

of that additional spending is is

11:39

wildly are under of the

11:41

estimate that he thinks he'll be back eating to live your

11:43

things it'll brigid lots more money winning so be better

11:45

the a things it's better than the css and against

11:47

that's energy points of view the i didn't get the technician

11:50

at his word that he was

11:52

worried about deflation he was worried about the deficit in

11:54

that this current bills is vastly different

11:56

than the three trillion dollar bill

11:58

back better build that was excluding entire

12:00

by an agenda stuffed into one package i

12:02

also think mention was genuinely worried

12:05

about energy security and he didn't want his face

12:07

out fossil fuels immediately i'm

12:10

a cynic can say that's because

12:12

use of fossil fuel state residents

12:14

he has your donors

12:17

because he makes money off cone cells letting

12:19

is also like a fair conversation to be had

12:21

about whether we're gonna need oil and gas

12:23

in the short term you want to get

12:25

it and us or do you want your biden job on

12:27

a plane to saudi arabia the you

12:30

lavish attention i'm honored installment to

12:32

try to get under least more oil the gabi said rather

12:34

we have all wind in renewables today

12:36

by you know and relative it's also

12:38

it it's it's it's funny to hear that like this

12:41

is now even when when i talk to jen

12:43

psaki on a pod in january

12:45

it was there it was that appeared time when it seemed

12:47

like this might all be kind of lost and

12:50

we were joking at a time saying well why don't we just let geomantic

12:52

off and right the fuck then he did

12:55

and it the obvious answer the whole time right

12:57

but what's interesting about his and it's this sort of

12:59

irony that then okay this west virginia coal

13:01

senator get to take credit for the biggest investment

13:04

in clean energy and climate change

13:06

policy in american history when

13:08

really what he has done is just

13:10

made his yes votes the hardest

13:12

about to get or the second her resort to get so far

13:15

yeah any of the frame and i was frame it

13:17

better but certain inflation thing but even

13:19

at the end even as he was writing it himself

13:22

or are working with schumer dragged himself

13:24

at almost help her to the because of the inflation

13:26

numbers and man i do

13:28

think mansion felt a little the

13:30

it does seem like mansion wants to be seen

13:33

as seen as guess

13:35

person may not necessarily by

13:38

the submitter ,

13:40

like i hate that would actually not us but

13:42

certainly by sort of like though

13:44

the broader institutional set

13:46

in washington dc and and

13:49

i think it felt like he he might have worried

13:51

that he was seeming unreasonable towards the end and lox

13:54

i think it seems like what happened here was

13:56

that you mention with a persuadable

13:58

voter and who

14:00

genuine like you that genuinely wanted to do something

14:02

about climate change wanted a solution that

14:04

would help estate and his own politics

14:07

and was genuinely worried about inflation

14:09

you can disagree them i do we do

14:11

a whole bunch of issues the guy is just

14:13

a conservative democrat who has conservative positions

14:16

on a bunch of issues that i don't

14:18

agree with at all i think where i know i

14:20

made the mistake as getting assuming

14:23

, someone is operating in bad

14:25

faith which i by the end did i didn't

14:28

start their by the and i was definitely i was

14:30

convinced he was operating about say started by

14:32

coming and dump the assist assist

14:34

well i think the yeah i think i think hey hey

14:36

hey hey ho vagina a happy

14:38

about how moss we don't say those kinds of

14:40

things that are fringe i did i started by call i've

14:42

my whole might the whole time i was like is he just dumb

14:45

or is he is as a bad faith play and

14:47

and by the and i was like oh it's best it's but

14:49

the mistake their job i know he says the she said

14:51

never ah assume people's motivations

14:54

is because if you some people's motivations when

14:56

you give up and trying to persuade them

14:58

and maybe they are operating out of bounds east but

15:01

what if they are not and you just gave up on trying

15:03

to persuade them clearly a whole bunch of

15:05

senators that worked with joe manchin a

15:07

climate activists business leaders

15:10

a bunch of other people that other trusted larry summers

15:12

economists all work together to

15:14

work him in the right place and he was clearly

15:16

persuaded over time and as

15:19

i think as good lesson in politics in general and

15:21

politics also think one one piece of this as we

15:23

we we sort of you know lamented

15:25

that his statements had been confusing and sometimes

15:27

contradictory and and it turns out

15:30

one of the reasons that at times it seemed open to build

15:32

than at times would close the door because he got

15:34

pissed it wasn't any was operating in bad for

15:36

the he admits it himself i got angry do

15:38

i think he should have gotten angry by that statement know

15:40

he should not owners or third of

15:43

weight as politics really well his approval one from forty

15:45

to sixty seven percent approval in a state he

15:47

played this brilliantly for himself yet

15:49

though if he really wanted to i'm like i do think

15:51

that politically for him if he did no deal at

15:53

all he would still be in a great political position

15:55

you know which is ice the politic rattling i was

15:58

worried me the politics are definitely in his labour

16:00

here but as you just heard the head of the

16:02

that coal mine industry group

16:04

say like a bunch of west virginia coal

16:06

mines are gonna get retired to the spell of joe manchin

16:08

really wanted to just play his politics

16:11

at all he would have done no deal and

16:13

he didn't do that because there's some there's multiple

16:15

motivations multiple motivations and i didn't like it

16:18

really you play the counterfactual what of senate democrats

16:20

had said what joe manchin let's

16:23

take away as committees as committees reps who cares

16:25

if we leave the party we would have no

16:28

chance for climate all right now i'm not going to take my

16:30

dog we don't have it yeah but we would have no chance of climate

16:32

eighty hours sitting benson sort of the know that all

16:35

power plants are going out of business few the economic

16:37

and on like are working for them federal grant you know

16:39

natural gas is other cheaper forms of energy i didn't

16:41

meet their lesson the meadow lesson for me as it's

16:43

always better to be in a majority and have

16:46

power no matter what ray we are a lot of people got

16:48

so frustrated with merchants and he said was

16:50

hit by the party we don't need em that

16:52

is done that is done be an hour

16:55

then you can do things you get judges past

16:57

you can pass this bill at a nowhere as

16:59

the chips act passed the the

17:01

damn roads legislation the of a search

17:04

her belly we'd go lot of things done now he and

17:06

i thought it was just like look at your choices right

17:08

to i wish the john henson was replaced

17:10

by a more liberal center from west virginia of

17:12

course is that possible right now

17:14

what's not so you work with what you have love

17:17

it we haven't heard from here's and cinema

17:20

i was stuck about a future albums as

17:22

of this recording but what do we know about where

17:24

she is on these provisions and

17:26

how much trouble she might cause here whew

17:29

that does are two different questions not you know

17:31

manchin you played part of the clipper would also

17:33

he has been saying in the sunday shows he's basically

17:35

trying to

17:38

put her in a position to declare victory

17:41

ah he said tears and cinemas and friend of mine be

17:43

work very closely together closely together tremendous tremendous

17:45

input in this legislation she basically insist

17:48

on no tax increases we've done that too

17:50

is very very adamant about that i agree with

17:52

her she was very instrumental on prescription drugs

17:54

so i think you trying to give her

17:56

the space to say yeah

17:59

i'm out here

17:59

they can credit

18:01

this is the can be your victory to and

18:03

the only i think she's not said eating we've been

18:06

they serve as we've been getting towards this recording

18:08

this waiting to see if we hear more from her but

18:10

i think the hope has to be and we don't know i

18:13

think the hope has to be that you know she's in a position

18:15

to get something and then it's not something that kind of on

18:17

does anything that's part of the steel but some additional

18:20

funding for ah

18:22

solar or other kind of technology for arizona

18:24

some kind of victory for cinema that he can you

18:27

get her pound of flesh and go

18:29

celebrated hot topic or whatever the

18:33

thing we think she's gonna be mad about

18:36

is the fourteen billion dollars

18:38

in tax increases by closing the carried

18:40

interest loophole which basically makes

18:42

hedge fund guys pay their fair

18:45

share of taxes' well it's that as a tough

18:47

fight to pick for her of the question is whether she

18:49

called that it increase right that it's not an in for

18:51

it's a closed loop hole rights is he has you're

18:53

really upset about rate would you would you work and like a

18:55

private equity fund or hedge fund you get

18:57

paid by a management see which is usually two percent

19:00

of of assets under management and then something

19:02

called shared interests which is the twenty presents

19:04

the tree that twenty percent which is the primary

19:06

way they make money as a long term

19:08

capital gain and not as income which is what

19:10

it really is and so they pay about

19:13

half of the tax rate that anyone else pays

19:15

on their income taxes which is outrageous

19:18

even like the super rich the richest

19:20

of rich bill ackman hedge fund guy

19:22

is out there saying this is a crazy loop or the should

19:25

be closed it makes i don't know how she cares what

19:27

right right and things like what trump said he was in a closest

19:29

i don't even think this provision closes it completely

19:31

either it like comes half way to

19:33

which is maybe give her space for to declare

19:35

victory to it's also by the way like

19:37

you said time it's fourteen billion dollars out of three

19:39

hundred and eighty nine billion dollars neil three

19:41

percent of the deal right right as nice

19:44

as she said she's going away for the parliamentarian to

19:46

score this riot the senate parliamentarian

19:49

for everyone who remembers the talking about

19:51

this last year last to go through and make sure

19:53

that every provision affects the budget

19:55

and then there's not provisions and never don't affect

19:58

the federal budget arms of the parliament harry

20:00

and will score the bill say how much you'd actually

20:02

raises how much shouldn't you know ah will

20:04

fact the deficit how much taxes i kind of stuff up

20:06

there's also like you to the i think

20:09

that cinema cinema basically has agreed

20:11

to all of these energy provisions in the past

20:13

he helped write the prescription drug

20:15

reform part of this a see a subsidy some

20:17

boards who can only be in the taxes the other big

20:19

tax part of this bill that we haven't talked

20:21

about his be our corporate minimum

20:24

tax which is another crazy

20:26

thing like right now

20:29

there are some mega corporations

20:31

the basically move their profits overseas so

20:33

they can avoid paying taxes

20:35

at all or certainly less than the twenty one percent

20:37

corporate rate and this is basically saying

20:40

hey there has to be a minimum fifteen percent

20:42

tax for all for all corporations the have

20:44

over one billion dollars in profits have

20:46

either way to admit isn't already been there there's no exceptions

20:48

to they get to take advantage a tax credit photo and so that

20:51

the question i think is ten cinema

20:53

claims she has successfully prevented

20:55

the tax increases she claims she was against

20:58

because these aren't rate hikes these are and

21:00

of loophole closing policy shifts that

21:03

that she can that she could get behind like is there is can

21:05

see can see and were and republicans he not

21:07

be saying can is not be her making any kind

21:09

of concessions can see cleaner and republicans already

21:11

out because you know the joint committee on taxation

21:14

scored this and said oh there's some people

21:16

who are under who make under four hundred thousand dollars

21:18

that will feel the impact of this right their taxes

21:21

will go up but what will happen and it isn't

21:23

me they're they're saying they're calculating that

21:25

if a some corporations pay no

21:27

taxes now has to pay minimum tax rates

21:29

that they will then have lower wages they

21:31

will they wouldn't they will cut wages for their workers

21:34

ultimately so much as cussing the corporate

21:36

income tax to zero for us it's military

21:38

dunham us in our mother say it doesn't take into

21:40

effect the health care subsidies in the bill the

21:42

energy subsidies that will help lower

21:44

people's energy bills the prescription drugs dubbed and they

21:46

can count any about would lower a guy with a male so

21:48

when i they also an hour as you know they're not run

21:50

around saying abolished their as they don't want anyone

21:53

with a very one wealthier or to pay taxes

21:55

and all that is that the core of the republican opposition

21:57

to the spill they hate when rich people have to pay taxes

21:59

i hate it can we just i'm married

22:02

in one fun thing about this whole mention

22:04

of it all and then i'm going out on the sunday shows the

22:06

he knows how politico oh and politico playbook

22:08

their their flagship he was product focus

22:11

, on what he said but the logistics

22:14

of doing five sunday show

22:16

interviews all at one time

22:18

on one day the full ginsburg as

22:20

it used to be known in the the days

22:23

early i love that they can't we can't

22:25

believe are very dumb lame debate about

22:27

like whether there was technically a whole ginsburg

22:29

then just dan quoted being like i would say don't

22:31

do it it's not worth it just didn't fit raining

22:33

on their parade it did this for two days two

22:35

days it was so dumb and boring come back from vacation

22:38

i'm reading the playbook i'm like put what is going on two

22:40

days of have a discussion about the full ginsberg

22:42

how it took from the early nineties no one remember

22:44

no one knows we're talking about right now all right allen ginsberg

22:46

replace lincoln's her late ginsberg replace

22:48

kidding back to the republicans in congress they are outraged

22:51

about the deal i'm but they're not just planning on voting

22:53

against it they want to take revenge on

22:55

democrats by voting against other legislation

22:57

that they previously supported a most

23:00

house republicans just voted against a bipartisan

23:02

bill that will help us compete with china

23:04

for jobs related to the semiconductor industry

23:06

susan collins told reporters that senate republicans

23:09

might sink the same sex marriage bill over

23:11

the mentioned deal and twenty five republican

23:13

senators who had previously voted for

23:16

a bill that would help veterans who've been exposed

23:18

to burn pits just voted to block the

23:20

final version of that bill last week

23:22

tommy what's going on with the burn pits

23:25

legislation which has got a lot of attention over the last several days

23:27

and why do you think republicans are doing this is

23:29

there a political reason or they just more

23:32

so here's the background that the us

23:34

military on bases abroad in iraq

23:36

and afghanistan would burn trash

23:38

basically that that included toxic

23:40

substances like plastic rubber pain

23:43

other things that you and even want to know that i'm

23:45

there's a lot of evans now research that shows

23:47

that people are exposed to the smoke from this burnt

23:49

it's have much higher incidence of cancer in

23:51

other really nasty medical problems and

23:53

paying for that treatment has

23:56

created a bureaucratic nightmare for love these

23:58

veterans of had be salt and across the entire

24:01

until congress finally got its act together they put together a

24:03

bill to provide millions of veterans

24:05

with expedited healthcare and disability payments

24:07

for these illnesses related burn pits in

24:09

june that bill passed eighty four to fourteen

24:12

and went to the house they did some technical fix

24:14

to it send it back to the senate for final passage

24:16

and last week it was twenty five or twenty

24:18

six i'm not sure what the exact total was of republicans

24:21

change their vote in voted against the bill to

24:24

me the republican senator from pennsylvania who

24:26

i don't think coincidentally is retiring ah

24:28

is a one hour meeting the messaging

24:30

charge on this city trying to claim

24:32

that he opposed it now because some

24:35

budgetary loophole parodies impenetrable

24:37

videos from ted cruz where he's

24:39

trying to talk about mandatory vs discretionary

24:42

spending a not an expert in this

24:44

but none of their arguments make sense every single

24:46

veterans' group the is calling

24:48

bullshit on it it seems like what

24:50

happened was mcconnell we're

24:53

gonna hold up the chips build

24:55

is trying to competition bill and because

24:58

he didn't want democrats to do anything via

25:00

reconciliation in which is how you pass the mentioned

25:02

schumer bill then he allowed the chips all

25:04

the past been mentioned and schumer announced

25:06

their deal on the climate bill and

25:08

they got not until mcconnell i

25:11

guess had these guys vote against

25:13

this

25:14

learned it legislation it is a

25:17

long story short this one of most substantively outrageous

25:19

and politically stupid things have ever seen it

25:22

sounds like they might sticks it tonight monday night

25:24

them but i just for the

25:26

life of me i can understand what they're thinking

25:28

really

25:29

what it to you know i

25:31

think the day decided

25:34

to ah take

25:36

a dumb vote in a fit of pique and

25:39

try to come up with a fig leaf justification

25:41

for it doesn't really work and

25:43

ultimately it's very very bad politics

25:46

but because it but it's truly some of the worst politics

25:48

that we must never seen at you are just

25:50

it absolutely these people are dying despicable

25:53

despicable are dying within weeks of

25:55

this boat and so i didn't take him or they will

25:57

they will before

25:59

they will be

25:59

it very quickly and is will ultimately kind of disappear

26:02

as a kind of weeklong the

26:05

bible campus i

26:07

don't know how not to make another sphere be a be a better

26:09

is literally sleeping on the capitol steps as we speak

26:11

right now will not leave until they get about to

26:13

pet him his problem about the four hundred billion

26:15

dollars is whether you put it in the mandatory discretionary

26:18

bucket with that means is ah do we

26:20

make sure that there's this source of funding

26:22

to help veterans who been exposed to burn pits

26:25

every year or two every year veterans

26:27

have to come to congress and sleep on the steps and

26:29

hold hearings so they can get into a budget of be right

26:31

now the only new theme of had to me as he's at least

26:33

had that problem since the beginning this is why

26:36

it's twenty five or twenty six to pat toomey have voted

26:38

against it before because of this problem is that is

26:40

probably the bullshit problem that's a problem the other

26:42

twenty five republican senators voted

26:44

fucking for it when the four hundred

26:46

billion dollars was in mandatory spending and

26:48

then just changed their votes because of

26:50

exactly what time he said because they were just pissed this

26:53

idea of mean it's waivers discretionary spending is

26:55

is a dollar spent his announcement to be

26:57

up to sick bay literally decide whether

26:59

this distinction exists or not it doesn't matter the

27:01

at morrow noted it does it helps that know you wanted

27:03

wanted to i would want to enjoy it i want to be funded

27:06

in the future but i'm just saying like it's not

27:08

like more money is going to magically be speech

27:10

is bullshit is my point he is wholly four separate his

27:12

eyes as it but the even more full of

27:14

shit or the other twenty five republican senators who voted

27:16

for when it was met it's perfect spending and

27:19

we have all the way voter like how could we possibly

27:22

ah vote to have mandatory spending

27:24

for veterans year after year that the ability

27:26

to cut it to you know fund

27:29

a tax break i mean this mean this the just that that

27:31

technical reason so that you all know

27:34

but to tommy's point we have to actually like

27:36

make the argument here and the argument

27:38

the head of a midterm could not be easier here

27:40

like you know democrats are tried

27:42

to pass a bill that make sure

27:45

that corporations can't move their profits overseas

27:47

so that they don't pay any taxes at all ah

27:50

in order to lower people energy bills

27:52

and their healthcare bills and republicans didn't just

27:54

block it they then to spite

27:56

democrats voted against the bill to help sick

27:58

veterans pacific and the crazy

28:00

the other really hard vote was you know

28:02

in the house i the a mccarthy

28:05

whipped like a hundred and seventy five republicans

28:07

and force them to vote against the big china competition

28:10

which would never legitimate policy

28:12

criticisms of abdel the reason you could vote against

28:14

it but politically that's a very hard vote i also

28:16

i ride i actually don't understand that decision

28:19

either be very clear that it was gonna

28:21

pass either i stay at all been for

28:23

it before they got out before i'm

28:25

look everybody's been surprised that or democrats

28:27

or discover strategy i'd it's been shocking it's

28:30

to chase a lot of a it's been hard to kind of process

28:33

ah effort for republicans as much as

28:35

for us by okay

28:37

you're pissed that they they they got one

28:39

over a new and are going to do this reconciliation deal

28:42

you're gonna make a point by having some but not

28:44

all of your members try to stop a bill that gonna

28:46

pass anyway and whenever i think their strategy

28:48

going back as far as the early

28:50

obama days is with you know

28:52

the party in power democrats and power democrats

28:55

are in the white house or in congress we're gonna break everything

28:57

we're going to make sure nothing works were going to try to stop the

28:59

minute you know they can't pass anything but a lot and

29:01

that's going ever down to our political benefit because joe

29:03

biden and the democrats don't succeed but

29:05

i think they yeah and they were little too far

29:07

the same because everyone knows now what they did it

29:10

was an open question about whether progress

29:12

it's might vote against the chips

29:14

acts because they felt like as corporate welfare

29:16

for a young a understandably

29:18

zoellick multi hundred

29:21

billion dollar business is getting huge

29:23

tax breaks to create semiconductor manufacturing

29:25

backups i think it's good long term policy

29:27

to the onshore this kind

29:30

of manufacturing be as it would only exists in

29:32

parts of asia like twenty two percent of it

29:34

is in taiwan and if taiwan gets invaded like

29:36

weren't big trouble but i'm yeah

29:38

i'd democrats said get line and said nope

29:40

we're gonna vote for the say they voted against protecting american

29:42

jobs and helping sick veterans that

29:45

that there's is that there's ago that i have the nothing

29:47

says that things that good for them it doesn't like

29:49

that the burn it all down thing that didn't

29:51

work if you don't have a house in things get passed

29:53

out as i was just gonna say the morning and sixty they

29:55

tried to break thing they didn't succeed in a got

29:57

past and they don't get the political benefit from it

29:59

because now they voted against protecting american

30:02

jobs and helping sick veterans and they'll

30:04

well they'll you know they'll they'll also go

30:06

around saying you know they'd still take credit for the for

30:08

the a a the relief bill they didn't

30:10

vote for they'll take credit for wherever they can structure

30:12

bill yeah i go home to their projects we take pictures

30:15

by a it's been it's been

30:17

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it might be shifting i haven't

34:00

read the favor of our friends over at five

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34:04

the house though they are now basically

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tied with democrats on the generic ballot

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for the last several months a but in the race

34:12

to control the senate democrats are now

34:15

slightly favorite to win five

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thirty eight has their chances at fifty six percent

34:19

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june first all right with the obvious

34:23

an important caveat that polls are just a snapshot

34:25

in time and not always the most accurate

34:28

snapshot i'm the movement here

34:30

notable tommy would

34:32

you think might be going on with the center as as a

34:34

me i think it's you know he gets or go race by racing

34:37

in tell the story and in pennsylvania there was

34:39

a poll that had settlement up ten points

34:41

on doctor us which i don't believe too

34:44

much but it's use jawdropping i think again

34:46

like we talked about sediments on such a good job a defining

34:48

doctor oz in pennsylvania republicans

34:50

really worried about the standing

34:52

will talk about them or later or in georgia

34:55

warnock sporting a strong race is t

34:57

continues did the well herschel walker

34:59

good things be a gap machine he won't debate warnock

35:02

there's a bunch of coverage of you know children

35:04

out of wedlock in criticizing other soon

35:06

the same lying about work in the up the ice

35:09

ah arizona we might see blake masters

35:11

when the spear teal stooge who

35:13

is a bonafide wacko ah

35:16

he's got a running it's martelly and astronautics very

35:18

popular cortez masses

35:20

look better nevada an aggie haskins that

35:22

are new hampshire this grumblings about

35:24

jd dance struggling ohio still

35:27

fight of state but this but the lot of

35:29

individual races are breaking

35:31

in a better direction so it

35:33

just i think better

35:35

other level we think yeah be a big like stepping

35:37

back from individual raises rose

35:39

overturned ah and democrats are pretty republican

35:42

on the defensive on marriage equality the

35:44

january six hearings are kind of low hum of

35:46

republicans being stream gas prices

35:48

are down a bit you have a bipartisan gone belly of a manufacturing

35:50

belt we had this mansion deals on the polling yet

35:52

hopefully happens ah and news coverage

35:55

is is it where it was a few weeks

35:57

ago it's still my goodness never good but

35:59

and there was a period of time and it was just sort of president

36:02

just as stock plunge gridlock cove it's

36:04

stock plunge robinette biden enough say

36:07

, joseph stock plunge grid

36:09

lock covered stuck plunge gas prices robinette

36:11

biden of got gas prices gas cigarette

36:13

scares rate has fallen rate has time now you delegate

36:15

desperate so ah and doctor ah

36:17

sucks and that sort of this means that took

36:20

that one off the table that out on a one i think to

36:22

the point like tommy gone to the senate races there's

36:24

a difference the difference in the senate the houses is

36:26

a house candidates it's really hard

36:28

to separate yourself from the national

36:30

political party the national bloke environment because

36:32

he's a smaller races and you don't

36:34

have as much money and them senate races or statewide

36:36

races as lot of money spent on making

36:38

sure that every voter knows who the senate candidates

36:41

are and that can be a good thing if you're

36:43

a good candidate in a can be specific your bed

36:45

tenets of can't have equality matters a lot

36:47

more and senate races than it does in

36:49

some of these house races which is why you can sort

36:51

of distinguish yourself as john fetterman

36:53

has as doctor oz has been a way that's not

36:55

helpful to his or to more has as you

36:57

know herschel walker r

37:00

yang a how could you accuse me

37:02

of something i might have done when i was

37:04

dissociate i

37:07

felt not like the best method i've ever had

37:09

although with any as the i know time

37:11

will tell to find out it's really

37:14

hard and desire thing when you just said edited

37:17

version the f b i and into a movie mention

37:19

this but the i think the issue environment changing

37:22

matters to them so as of recent suffolk

37:24

poll were vote voter sided abortion

37:26

as the second most important issue to them of

37:29

course after inflation which is still a

37:31

big issue though as you noted gas prices are

37:33

have started to fall and you know in that simple

37:35

like so few voters mentioned cove id

37:38

that it wasn't even in the top twenty five issues

37:40

are the people said they were concerned about that had obviously

37:42

been a drag on joe biden

37:44

saw and democrats prefer eating into sort of the general

37:46

mood of the country at that point for

37:48

the republicans are a little nervous about this i would

37:50

be to ah especially about pennsylvania

37:53

political rants story this weekend that has

37:55

multiple donors though is troubling have donors

37:57

talking that own reporters the i love

38:00

the republican donors now in a democratic donors shudder

38:02

democratic donors ourselves the history

38:04

has multiple donors same at the national

38:06

republican senatorial committee is quote sounding

38:09

the alarm about doctor oz and quotes

38:11

freaking everybody out about his bad

38:13

polling why do you think he's doing

38:15

so poorly tommy and that very thing democrats

38:18

can learn from this racers this racers unique situation

38:20

would you think the nrsc alarm sounds like

38:22

physicists like a european fire

38:25

hydrant the smoke detector sounds

38:27

like does ted cruz motor boating

38:29

a statue is margaret thatcher that

38:32

, perfect to settle before

38:34

that we kind of jail if you just came up with

38:36

him that apple we'd have kept running the star

38:39

republican alarmism bench shapiro makes when he sees

38:41

a gay kids and a marvel movie movie

38:43

that as i did see the

38:48

problem lies the sound of trump cheering when of realizes

38:50

he can save on taxes by burying of on by

38:52

burying golf course god artillery

38:55

there's an republican

38:57

alarm is essentially thomas makes which

38:59

is as under oath issues involved in the dart's league how

39:02

can you get at the other ones i got that the true

39:05

thing be a you want any more

39:07

to check out my subset ah

39:10

iowa for yolks a rusty bowers

39:12

sounds like something you looked up an urban dictionary

39:14

and you don't like gross

39:16

and complicated it was hadn't a to like

39:18

it a try to i mean i know receivers

39:20

is echoed a doctor ordered yeah

39:25

you don't i feel a bit we just have moved us

39:27

first moved on it as soon as

39:29

i got that sums up my don't care given a put

39:31

this anywhere

39:34

the like good doctor oz is he

39:36

is unique about

39:39

records observers to preserve

39:41

don't run for a senate seat in seat state

39:43

where you are not are resident that's resident that's

39:46

that's a rule of thumb yeah live in the place how insulting

39:48

is it to the state of pennsylvania to

39:51

be will now primary were not from there to run

39:53

for this nc whatever is we'll it may

39:55

be for a fucking carpetbagger feel i know

39:57

we not as yet i mean listen look it was harper

39:59

ill request the to move their first though like a doctorate

40:01

still lives in new jersey it's it's it's holding

40:03

him he should have is it a movie with our it's

40:05

not just that he's from another state is that there's so

40:07

much because he's a celebrity there's

40:10

so much footage of him just basking

40:12

in the glow of being in new jersey resident johansson

40:15

about how much he loves being from new jersey at

40:17

our like it's it's today i mean elsie's filthy

40:19

rich and just what have we have to with most

40:21

of it's there's a video the fetterman him but out

40:23

today where they have doctor as saying that it's hard

40:26

to discern the difference in happiness between

40:28

someone who makes fifty thousand dollars sixty

40:30

million dollars i , fucking

40:33

to leave you at all buddy buddy

40:35

might have learned over i would love to be

40:37

as unhappy as someone who makes fifty million us

40:40

which is didn't quit it's a secret you think

40:42

a i honestly i think of anything he makes

40:44

mitt romney seem like a working class hero auto

40:46

fill that out either silverado like wider

40:48

we go with a hedge fund manager from connecticut

40:50

but i was there ago

40:53

that private equity guy that we'd have guy that anyway

40:55

so doctors wins as a minute remaining out of bankruptcy

40:58

for every day tabs on time fucking

41:03

awesome is that causes running that

41:05

bad can be it's they went to one of the to

41:07

like tourist trap cheese steak joints

41:09

in philly and then he tweets his

41:11

about it like he was you know added

41:14

visiting from russia where he looked like of boring

41:16

well you know like tourists and like it's

41:18

just eating me flashbacks of me john kerry getting

41:20

the cheese steak with that tomato farming

41:22

that tomato on our campaign at a time of soccer

41:25

well once your to it's really that this is why thank

41:27

you know there's that the federal him he has been so

41:29

good about this because once you tag

41:31

someone as a tourist a lot about a politician

41:34

does when i go around taken to they looked like a tour him

41:36

and he's got that such a rich guy

41:38

skyn you know he goes from new jersey

41:40

and him into the upper east side for all of this treatments

41:43

you know and he just he looks are dictated

41:45

looks ridiculous running for senate he made himself

41:48

look ridiculous get experiments he to they're great they're

41:50

hitting all the right notes my barrier relentless

41:52

about you being out of town ending

41:55

at attached like here's the years doctor

41:57

oz kissing his ah hollywood

41:59

walk of star but the turn they're

42:01

making in your thirties he had more aggressively is

42:04

this guy doesn't give a shit about you didn't

42:06

care about inflation or anything else he just wants it

42:08

then you know it like if there's a lesson here

42:10

for other races because i agree that i think both

42:13

cause and fetterman are unique candidates

42:15

are you can't replicate their

42:18

personality three wealth but

42:20

we've been a lot of time talking about how republican candidates

42:23

are a threat to democracy we

42:25

it which we should continue to do we should

42:27

also probably spend time talking about how republican

42:29

candidates are like a threat to working

42:31

people because they're out of touch ah

42:34

and they care about rich people they're all about to you

42:36

know they're they're they're outraged about a bill it's

42:38

gonna make a billion dollar corporations

42:40

pay a dime of taxes this

42:42

, who the republican party is always been were a we've

42:45

always done well when we run against republicans like

42:47

that's in john fetterman is doing that

42:49

against doctor oz and pennsylvania and there

42:51

you know the other republican targets are not going to be as

42:54

a rich rich their technology

42:56

both in both as doctor oz but they'll eat out

42:58

bit their positions are the fetterman had

43:00

a stroke hasn't been able to campaign for

43:03

months and still up ten points that is remarkable

43:05

that that's a campaign team and staff it

43:07

is doing incredible work specially the does hundred percent

43:09

of idiot and that you other things to i'd say as was

43:12

as good as the other digital team is doing any work

43:14

they haven't run digital ads in about two months

43:17

of two that are they going to help the eyes

43:19

that do other things one they're also

43:21

just i think having fun

43:24

they're making the campaign something fun and you'd

43:26

want to be a part and and we talk about this

43:28

on any times nobody wants to be part

43:30

of a sanctimonious and sour movements

43:33

they are they are they're making politics

43:35

seem like something you wanna be a part of and are making

43:37

the fetterman team a team you want to be

43:39

a part of an i think that's really exciting and good and

43:41

the second points is they

43:44

have been relentless and at so

43:46

often the one of the one from democrats

43:48

make that republicans don't part because republicans are

43:50

serve so well by their right wing propaganda apparatus

43:53

is democrats too often look at poses

43:55

some in any to live by residents i mean they can potentially

43:57

change decentering campaign

44:00

wanted to make doctor oz look

44:02

out of touch by pointing out the

44:04

way in which he was a carpetbagger making that connection

44:06

and they've been relentless and they've made it important

44:08

they made it serious and likes finding

44:10

ways to just drive something like to be relentless

44:12

about it until people connected with

44:14

the campaign the candidate make it important i think

44:17

is another was enough connected the

44:19

carpetbagger attack to the ass husk

44:21

of these rich attack right which like to

44:23

do with you originally said if it was just that us

44:25

from out of state and he wasn't out of touch

44:27

that might not be enough you know it's the whole package

44:30

the arms of political also reports of the nrsc

44:32

is apparently so nervous that if started making

44:34

the case of they can win the senate even if oz

44:36

loses to fetterman they're telling donor

44:38

that they're passes to hold ohio north

44:40

carolina and wisconsin slip nevada

44:43

and then flip either arizona or

44:45

georgia love it when you think that a realistic that

44:49

yeah

44:50

it is of course it is no we

44:52

can wait move akin to a doctor

44:55

oz can go back to his mic mansion and

44:57

republicans him so when the senate is absolutely

44:59

possible it is obviously shameful that

45:01

someone as unset as herschel walker

45:03

could get within a mile of answered senate but

45:06

ah a lot of people who are should

45:08

go to my a lot of jobs are seem to be

45:10

that stuff stumbling into the more more

45:12

in politics oh yes of course second half and of course

45:15

it yeah i actually might my reaction

45:17

when it was laid out like that was oh yes

45:19

know this good the on his blog is about as tough

45:21

in nevada in the last couple elections has certain

45:23

drifting in the wrong direction as if the

45:25

cat encrypted messages a really tough race on her hands

45:27

and then i think that like you said martelly

45:30

and rafield warnock both running great campaigns

45:32

and they're great can it's great senators but

45:34

those as , remember

45:36

and twenty twenty both of those states were decided

45:39

by a razors margin margin

45:42

i think it is very realistic that they could do it without

45:44

pennsylvania in a tough political environment at

45:46

a time in which even when we're seeing these these

45:48

sort of shifts that make us hopeful about the polls can

45:51

really trust yeah and i was a on the other side

45:53

of that you know they they sort of assume they'll hold

45:55

ohio north carolina wisconsin attorney assume that

45:57

at all i think now we have mendell

45:59

barnes the content of our truncated tim ryan a very

46:01

strong can in ohio sherry be easily

46:04

they can it north carolina so i don't think

46:06

they'll necessarily hold those either or it's a will

46:08

know more about some of those important midterm races

46:10

after today's primaries and arizona

46:12

missouri michigan kansas in washington state

46:15

or tommy what results will you be most interested

46:18

i'm very interested in arizona

46:20

they're very worried betters and

46:22

okay oh and kirby of

46:24

really young election that ayers and truly fringe

46:26

candidates are up and down ballot yet carry

46:29

weight the trump

46:31

appointed election deny

46:33

are running for governor oh hopefully she will lose their

46:35

primary but we don't know blake masters

46:38

who is basically the

46:40

dirty old ghost writer has running for the senate

46:43

seat is likely to win that ah

46:45

that primary and then you have a guy named mark since i'm

46:47

probably gonna be the republican nominee for

46:49

it the arizona secretary of state race to

46:51

is an election the mayor and very very bad

46:54

i'm so a lot of disconcerting

46:58

there for democracy generally our for the

47:00

our ability to run a fair racing

47:02

twenty twenty four marksmanship member

47:05

of the oath keepers yeah sarah's

47:07

fringe group yep that offer like what

47:09

i it's i didn't know that until i was actually reading about

47:11

this to irritate him a parent me by

47:13

surprise unbelievable and then what will become

47:15

of of course will become of rusty

47:17

bombers are the other speaker of the arizona

47:20

has who industry be the

47:22

only regret the day and your ethics committee has

47:25

did he flip flop now he said he would still vote for

47:27

trump know he now he's now that it is however

47:29

the play have some answer that was sort of left

47:31

it open even city men than monetary

47:33

door he a close in a closed door so that's

47:36

missouri of course they're grains when does

47:38

trump and or some could be happening right now or recording

47:40

and on and on trump or things can endorse in there is

47:43

genuinely bad person love it erases the are

47:45

looking the look i

47:47

emotionally i just struggled to

47:49

pay attention to which right

47:51

wing sashes goon is goon is

47:54

out these primaries

47:55

hi

47:56

watching the kansas referendum

47:58

on abortion obviously

48:01

it's important practically because kansas

48:04

is a a

48:06

respite in a place people income from surrounding states

48:08

it's a really really important but also

48:10

that we will learn a lot about the

48:12

power of arguing for

48:15

reproductive freedom and access to abortion

48:18

or at the ballot box by whatever this

48:20

margin is in kansas what has learned a lot from in on it's

48:22

own yeah with the have any kennedy to touch

48:24

it gets tough to the your at the ballot

48:26

the language and that when the amendment it's real

48:29

close to use area heavily tilted towards

48:32

a the right republicans are lying varna infusing

48:34

i'm so this is a tough but the it's

48:36

a in atlanta the obviously it's kansas by the way

48:39

if you asking me republicans say there is a democratic

48:41

governor there but of course a very a barrier republican

48:43

state it is very tough and it's it's

48:45

a it's it's chaotic it's confused

48:48

but whatever the margin is i think we'll learn

48:50

something about where people out on us and

48:52

then you just have to he's been almost

48:54

a hundred million dollars and arizona already

48:57

one hundred million dollars

48:59

yeah pretty for truly some of the fringes candidates

49:01

in the country i feel like you're rooting for rusty

49:03

bauer arizona in pennsylvania or have a or

49:06

or income competition for a swing states

49:08

with the fringes right wing candidates they're a

49:10

and then there's michigan the mission has got the michigan governor's

49:12

race for the a the primary their a

49:15

there's trump endorsed right wing media pundit

49:17

election deny or tudor dixon tudor dig

49:19

the name a who also has the support

49:21

of the device family so between trump

49:23

and the device family in a crowded field of nine candidates

49:26

a we'll see we'll see if she can pull it off i'm

49:28

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53:12

openly gay person elected to united states

53:14

senate currently working to pass the respect for marriage

53:16

act center tammy baldwin walk into the pot

53:19

i'm so glad to join you

53:22

so let's talk about the respect

53:24

for marriage act weird as the bills

53:26

stand right now you need ten republicans

53:28

on board how many have agreed to support

53:31

it what's next

53:33

we need ham republicans

53:35

to avoid a filibuster

53:37

and probably we need a

53:40

couple more than that to avoid

53:42

the situation where every

53:44

senator can be identified as

53:46

the deciding vote yeah

53:49

it'll be great to have eleven or twelve right

53:52

now we have five who publicly stated

53:54

that they will vote for the respect

53:57

for marriage act and we have several

53:59

others who

53:59

it

54:00

that category of having a

54:03

publicly proclaims that they support marriage

54:05

equality but are only privately

54:08

sharing with me and others were

54:10

there are leading or where they are on

54:12

the respect for marriage act the

54:14

and no one that's the case

54:17

in the haven't said it out loud you

54:19

have to be a little classes so i

54:21

i feel like we're we're at hand

54:23

but we're not a lot i'd

54:26

we don't have a lot more than that and

54:28

so a quick question

54:30

is do we need to from that up a little

54:32

bit more on and

54:34

i instead as i debating it this

54:37

week ah maybe

54:39

ticket till after the august

54:41

recess or i can

54:44

we can we fit it in the end of the week

54:46

because we have the votes are of dot

54:49

though there's been some talk of leave a

54:52

center susan collins mention this

54:54

that the compromise between joe manchin

54:56

and chuck schumer my make it harder to pass

54:59

a bill protecting marriage equality

55:02

why would increasing rebates for electric

55:04

cars make republicans more anti gay

55:06

and isn't the whole point of being republicans

55:09

that they're gay for corporations success

55:12

so

55:14

the issues should have nothing

55:17

to do with each other the

55:19

and

55:20

we should be adult and us in the

55:22

united states senate to be able

55:24

to separate votes of

55:27

conscience from ah

55:29

votes about the economy and both

55:31

without a other matter

55:34

but i have

55:36

heard

55:37

repeat the

55:41

reconciliation agreement was reached

55:44

the that

55:45

this point

55:46

the well if you will

55:48

no i i just go by it

55:50

i believe that if

55:52

you were going to support the

55:55

respect for marriage act last

55:58

week you should be as

55:59

the port of the respect for marriage

56:02

act this week

56:04

so when he has been surprising

56:06

to some of the yeses and also still

56:09

can when compared to some of the nose

56:11

at i was surprised to see your

56:13

your colleague ron johnson say

56:15

was for it's because technically

56:18

speaking i get there and one

56:20

of the senate big dip shit but so then you have

56:22

some of your to acknowledge that and then we

56:24

saw us marco rubio claim

56:26

this thing was a waste of time even

56:29

though voting yes and no take the same amount

56:31

of time do you think he was

56:33

ah odds frustrated when

56:35

the elevator door closed after he said that

56:37

to find himself trapped in there

56:40

with the senate's only lesbian

56:41

so to be

56:44

absolutely accurate he said it was

56:46

still

56:46

waste of time that's right and and

56:49

turn to

56:50

where's right and sammy standing

56:52

there looking at him and elevator store

56:54

elevator doors plus and we didn't

56:56

have you know i know i him very

56:58

frankly why i

57:00

believe it's important to

57:03

add to the why it's important to give

57:05

people an interracial marriages

57:08

and same sex i i unions

57:11

the a certainty

57:13

that every other couple enjoy every

57:15

other married couple and rights and

57:17

because of how significant the legal

57:19

rights and responsibilities conferred with

57:21

marriage really are to protecting one's family

57:24

i he i

57:26

pushed back and at you know as

57:29

of these are not the first conversations i've had and

57:31

associates and said you

57:33

know the court is not place to

57:35

overturn of

57:36

the no i don't believe they will but

57:39

there is a lot of reason

57:42

why we should be giving folks

57:44

certainty and frankly for

57:46

those republicans who have been why

57:49

day this the ah overturning

57:51

roe versus wade the

57:54

have been the how

57:56

i anxious ah the

57:58

constituents arab

57:59

yeah

58:00

after section about losing

58:03

act

58:03

shudder to the right choice

58:05

the dollars of marriage

58:08

this would be a great

58:11

way of assuring your constituents

58:14

the that you are still

58:16

for some freedoms

58:19

well i what i don't understand about that is

58:22

okay clarence thomas who everyone

58:24

now is recognizing as someone who is kind of

58:26

on the vanguard of where these right

58:28

wing extreme judges eventually go is

58:30

a he wants to turn to these issues next

58:33

rubio just says privately oh don't worry

58:35

this is a going to happen what is the cost

58:37

of passing this built him i mean that's that's a

58:39

that's a dodged what's the costs what

58:42

what's the harm

58:43

what are the things i've observed during all

58:45

of these discussions i pod

58:47

where republicans who i

58:50

eat i think should be supporting

58:52

because they have said that at one time or

58:54

other air the quality of oh

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, i have a colleague of

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either party who doesn't know know

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someone who is marry me

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this this ah labor

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maybe it's maybe relative maybe

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it is an old friend from

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college maybe it's to

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somebody they go to church or synagogue would

59:15

put this would right now

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accepted , common place

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among our american voters

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ah and so they should

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have every reason i

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had to show that they're not on the french

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and

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if

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the same sex marriages are concerned

59:36

about the certainty of their marriage

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it's not only because of what clarence

59:41

thomas wrote in his concurrence

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it's because the majority the

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supreme court said there is

59:49

not a constitutional right the

59:51

privacy and there are numerous

59:54

cases that have been decided on

59:56

the constitutional right to privacy contraception

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lloris i albergo

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felt i am so we

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need to sure the sub we need to tell us

1:00:07

to the people across this country the

1:00:10

day do not need to live in fear

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the the the the houses past

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ah a few a few built on some of those

1:00:18

issues are is not a lot of

1:00:20

hope and part of a a of

1:00:22

people watching as saying let's get these

1:00:25

republicans in the senate on the record on a bunch

1:00:27

of these issues where they've kind of taken an extreme

1:00:29

position on contraception on access

1:00:31

to abortion on a right to travel

1:00:33

which which are there was a vote on ah

1:00:36

on a host of other issues at

1:00:38

is the lesson so far on this process

1:00:40

on respect for marriage act that like we should

1:00:43

be taking more of these votes wins you get these centers on the record

1:00:45

you know

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for me

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this effort to

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ten or and war

1:00:53

republican vote yes there's

1:00:55

about getting the job done to

1:00:58

add there are many issues

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and which i love to

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be able to have to have

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vote for a word and show whose side people

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are ah you know are you on the side

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of tension

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the women who have just lost

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i am

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fundamental freedoms and have fewer

1:01:17

rights than their mothers and grandmothers

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but on this one i've told all the republicans

1:01:23

i'm i'm working with and talking to

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i just want to pass this get

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rid of the and be

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out the fear and uncertainty

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i am i have

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no i i'm not doing any

1:01:37

games but i certainly

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think that there are are

1:01:41

some of the opponents

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who are playing games but

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i i'm going to get this done i'm

1:01:48

very serious about it

1:01:50

oh thing about marco

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rubio dodging this an elevator part because

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i think his

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current position is unpopular as composition

1:01:59

is that a burger fell was wrongly decided

1:02:02

that that we should be appointing supreme court justice

1:02:04

that would overturn it it's remarkable

1:02:06

how quickly this is chains you are at

1:02:08

the first openly lesbian member of the with wisconsin

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assembly at people might not know

1:02:12

this that you propose legalizing same sex marriage

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and ninety ninety four which was a radical

1:02:17

thing to do at the time is is at a time in which you

1:02:20

are pushing back against

1:02:22

don't ask don't tell even having gay people being allowed

1:02:24

to openly serve in the military

1:02:27

how does it feel

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you have been in elective office

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during this immense period

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of of change on this issue

1:02:36

oh boy it feels

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i

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it close

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way to have seen at

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the slow march of progress

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on this i had this

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feeling back in the mid nineties

1:02:51

when i was in the state legislature working

1:02:53

out there since if we have was doing

1:02:55

this in parallel track with that

1:02:57

that domestic partnership a proposal

1:03:00

civil unions i i

1:03:02

just wanted ways for a journalist

1:03:05

the and supposed to be able to protect their families

1:03:08

that the ip too often when we say

1:03:10

the word marriage we think of marriage ceremony

1:03:12

for we don't think about access

1:03:14

to a loved one's bedside

1:03:16

if they are gravely ill or injured

1:03:19

and we don't think about ah

1:03:21

many of the rights and responsibilities

1:03:24

that slow with that marriage certificate

1:03:26

and subsequent marriage i

1:03:28

so i wanted tools for people

1:03:30

to be able to protect

1:03:32

their families and families

1:03:34

believed or maybe naive

1:03:37

me that i would see that in my life right

1:03:41

when it happened to the legislative

1:03:43

action have a to the chorus a combination

1:03:45

of both which was actually sort of the

1:03:48

the slow march to this point most

1:03:50

of all the above and we took a lot of steps

1:03:52

backwards before we took steps

1:03:55

forward by that i mean many

1:03:57

states i had constitutional

1:03:59

amended

1:03:59

like my home state of wisconsin avid

1:04:02

fan same sex marriage

1:04:04

then define marriage only as a union

1:04:07

between a man and a woman

1:04:09

hi

1:04:10

oh burger song were struck

1:04:12

we would have a federal

1:04:15

law of the land would be the defense of marriage

1:04:17

act the state

1:04:19

law the land in my home state of wisconsin

1:04:21

would be a constitutional amendment that

1:04:24

excluded same sex couples it

1:04:27

would be i've it

1:04:29

would be chaos kind of like it has

1:04:31

been ah with robbery says we've

1:04:33

been overturned you

1:04:35

know people needing to leave their states to

1:04:38

access fundamental freedoms and

1:04:40

control their own bodies in this case or

1:04:42

be able to protect their own family

1:04:44

and we cannot let that happen

1:04:47

and this is to respect for marriage

1:04:49

act is where we prevent that

1:04:51

though you just described a lot of these progressive

1:04:54

fight the even apart as for the better part

1:04:56

of three decades you just endure

1:04:58

indoors wisconsin's lieutenant governor mandela barnes

1:05:01

mandela his campaign to be a senator year progressive

1:05:03

center it is a competitive state he has state

1:05:05

tough race you're familiar with those

1:05:08

what is your advice her mandela

1:05:10

barnes heading into the phone

1:05:12

well

1:05:13

i am so excited that

1:05:16

even before the primary has happened that

1:05:18

he's up presumptive nominee and ten

1:05:20

i focused now on

1:05:23

defeating orange nonsense for

1:05:26

those of your podcast

1:05:28

enthusiasts who don't know

1:05:31

don't leading

1:05:34

a for of the leading for candidates

1:05:36

three have suspended their campaigns and

1:05:38

indoors and mandela barnes

1:05:41

and to those who want to know more

1:05:43

and want to do more and they can

1:05:45

come to wisconsin a knock doors and

1:05:47

sign up at madame la barnes dot

1:05:49

com or even wisdom

1:05:52

has dot org up but

1:05:54

we have a tough campaign

1:05:56

ahead of us despite the fact that a

1:05:59

senator ron the next beard as the most

1:06:01

part of off incumbent of either party

1:06:04

in the us senate you

1:06:07

sort of been in that place before six

1:06:09

years ago and squeaked through his

1:06:11

eyes i squeaked

1:06:13

outta an election victory election

1:06:15

victory need to i'll be

1:06:17

ready we need to respond to

1:06:20

are all the top attacks that will inevitably

1:06:23

com or towards democrats

1:06:25

and towards our our nominee and particular

1:06:28

sites like that because

1:06:31

whether it's i run johnson being

1:06:34

asking , chances he could deliver

1:06:37

an anvil a full of fake electors

1:06:39

from from and

1:06:41

pennsylvania or are

1:06:43

you claiming all sorts of a

1:06:46

snake oil can solve i've

1:06:48

covered problem covered denying

1:06:51

that russia interfered with our twenty sixteen

1:06:53

elections or touting the big lie

1:06:56

and i'm just getting started here to

1:07:00

with started to win and

1:07:02

i'm very excited that would get a little

1:07:04

head start on the gym

1:07:06

well accent

1:07:07

hard to come up with a better upgrade

1:07:11

in

1:07:11

twenty twenty two then ron johnson

1:07:14

to mandela barnes it is hard to do better

1:07:17

ah in terms of improving the representation

1:07:20

that estate would have ah so

1:07:23

one reason ron johnson

1:07:25

has been able to hold his senate

1:07:27

seat is in part because republicans have done a lot

1:07:30

to make it harder for

1:07:32

people to vote and have done a lot too

1:07:34

i'm a try

1:07:37

to hold onto power

1:07:39

one of you will see the anti democratic moves republicans

1:07:41

have used in wisconsin we'll

1:07:43

on the on gerrymandering other other are

1:07:46

powerplays as as about

1:07:48

what we're seeing now nationally what

1:07:51

did you learned in fighting to notches win

1:07:53

elections defend democracy

1:07:55

itself in wisconsin that we should be thinking

1:07:57

about as he spice play out

1:07:59

other states and a national

1:08:02

so first as we

1:08:04

come up to the midterms it's not just

1:08:07

an open us senate seat but

1:08:09

are i governor of a

1:08:12

lieutenant governor are attorney general

1:08:14

are secretary or are treasure state

1:08:16

treasurer it's all of those statewide

1:08:18

races are in play ah

1:08:21

and ah we

1:08:23

need our governor with a veto pen

1:08:26

because it's are overwhelmingly

1:08:29

republican legislature that

1:08:31

has been trying to pass legislation

1:08:34

in order to

1:08:35

i make it more and more

1:08:38

difficult for people to vote next

1:08:41

, will have a supreme court

1:08:43

election which will be critical

1:08:46

in terms of what sort of of

1:08:49

the states supreme court or

1:08:52

hands down on a access

1:08:54

to the ballot box and up

1:08:57

the freedom to vote in our state

1:09:00

but i also think that one of the best

1:09:02

organizing on the tactics

1:09:05

is to tell his ball his

1:09:08

the various ways in which people

1:09:10

are republicans are trying to make it harder for

1:09:12

you to like people

1:09:15

no people realize it's a damn that they

1:09:17

want to stay home and yeah

1:09:19

oh gosh darn and i'm not going to do that i'm

1:09:21

the go the polls and nothing's gonna keep

1:09:24

me not pouring rain the such though

1:09:27

not covert i as you've seen

1:09:29

wisconsin i'd still the time and time

1:09:31

again ah but it's going to be

1:09:33

especially essential this time shudder

1:09:36

to think about i'm what

1:09:39

alternative what inserted

1:09:41

of could look like making it

1:09:43

much easier for people

1:09:46

, vote absentee

1:09:48

are both early ah to

1:09:51

be able to plan their votes

1:09:53

and not have to worry about childcare

1:09:56

and all of these things plus

1:09:59

a host of

1:09:59

the campaign finance reform

1:10:02

would really bolster our democracy

1:10:06

it is on the line it is on the limit

1:10:10

the lot last question at the

1:10:12

beer institute named

1:10:14

you the twenty twenty two be or champion

1:10:17

regulations thank you ah i

1:10:20

don't know if it's and i was travelling as

1:10:22

the shape of attacker ah

1:10:24

unfortunately it's it's just

1:10:26

a trophy and so when i moved the tapper

1:10:29

nothing comes out which but i

1:10:31

very proud

1:10:33

though i am this feeling

1:10:35

i have this worry that

1:10:38

the year one of those people that likes ip a's

1:10:41

that right at , is worry

1:10:43

i i knew it

1:10:45

this is a this is a gay lesbian thing gay knew

1:10:47

you were going to like ip as like

1:10:49

ip is it's arbiter swell

1:10:52

and everybody knows that and more more people are talking

1:10:54

about it and mormon people are saying it and

1:10:56

so you're going to steering to come on this show in you're going to say ip

1:10:59

as or drink bubble

1:11:00

the me and at as us we're in a delicious

1:11:03

okay

1:11:04

okay

1:11:06

that doesn't mean you're going out that some a gonna put on the way

1:11:08

it a but everything else ever doing

1:11:10

yeah and we don't have to get into the history

1:11:12

of i'll pm why a

1:11:14

taste like a time space

1:11:16

yeah there is that there was a person who said i

1:11:19

ever having fun here i have a different idea i have

1:11:21

a you like the like something i'm that

1:11:23

goes down smoother he wants something that tastes like

1:11:25

guy

1:11:26

a bird tire was dropped into

1:11:28

a bud light that's how i feel about

1:11:30

wow that are fighting workers i can't wait

1:11:35

ah centers hammy

1:11:37

ball and

1:11:38

thank you so much for being here ah

1:11:41

and ah

1:11:42

look at you every a different matter where you know accident

1:11:45

the whole bunch of micro breweries in wisconsin

1:11:47

a lot of beers that you can't get here

1:11:49

you can only get in wisconsin but i will be

1:11:51

bringing years of a spotted cow which

1:11:54

is not a currency yet but the same

1:11:56

brewer also

1:11:58

make something called moon

1:11:59

which is an i t a and we can

1:12:02

celebrate microbrews in wisconsin

1:12:06

i got out we'll figure it out listen we're going

1:12:08

to the bottom of it or right and agree to disagree

1:12:11

thank you so much center thank you

1:12:17

they get a tammy baldwin for joining us today

1:12:20

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1:12:28

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