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today's show the supreme court's radical

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right wing majority strikes down the constitutional

2:53

right to abortion in america the

2:55

fight to protect reproductive rights moved

2:57

to states and the founder of

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whole woman's health amy hags for miller

3:01

will talk about how her organization intends

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provide abortion care in care post

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4:02

ah let's get to the awful news on

4:04

friday the supreme court overturned roe v

4:06

wade ending the constitutional right to an abortion

4:09

and jeopardizing the health and lives of millions

4:11

justice samuel leo wrote the six to three

4:13

decision which was mostly unchanged

4:15

from lead draft that we saw in may

4:18

ruling that quote it is time to heed constitution

4:20

and return the issue of abortion to the people's

4:22

elected representatives the three

4:24

liberal justices descent called it quotes

4:27

a catastrophic decision that quote undermines

4:29

the legitimacy of the courts consigns

4:31

women to second class citizenship and

4:33

means that young women will come of age with fewer

4:36

rights and mothers and grandmothers had

4:38

lots talk about let's start with the decision itself

4:40

aaron as someone who has been warning

4:43

about this for years now what

4:45

was your reaction to ruling

4:47

yeah i was exeter numb i think that

4:49

the soft launch that they did of the

4:51

the leaked opinion kind of took off some of

4:53

this thing i knew it was coming

4:55

it was really dismaying that was pretty much exactly

4:57

what was leaked which

5:00

, crazy like objectively

5:02

insane on but

5:04

i also saw you

5:06

know after i

5:08

went and eight a donor slowly

5:10

and and methodically i

5:12

, about other people that i am

5:14

disappointed in like semolina

5:16

has always been nuts yeah you know all

5:19

all of those it's clarence thomas is always

5:21

the nuts the three trump appointed

5:23

justices were appointed due to being

5:25

nuts and so i

5:27

didn't really expect anything from them but

5:30

them thing that felt was very

5:33

taken advantage of as a

5:35

young woman who has been outspoken

5:37

in support of democrats and democratic

5:39

candidates i sell very much

5:42

like every election cycle there's

5:44

this urgency in getting

5:47

to show up and vote and mobilize and

5:49

phone bank and and you know put

5:51

cute stickers are tote bags and all

5:53

that and , know and

5:55

and for the most part unless you elections

5:57

young women have and

6:00

then once democrats have control

6:02

of you know the senate the house

6:04

and the white house are

6:06

of our objectives are moved down

6:08

to very bottom of list i'm

6:11

you know in the abortion things should have been codified

6:13

into law under president

6:15

biden the fact that it was in is is ridiculous

6:18

the fact that we have enough democrats

6:20

who care more about syllabus serves than

6:23

they do about female bodily autonomy

6:25

or women's bodily autonomy or bore and rights

6:27

is agree just and

6:30

every day or every every

6:33

email got that day that was like

6:35

you gotta keep me in the senate he gets

6:37

up and fifteen dollars it was like fuck

6:39

you i fucked you to every

6:42

single email that i got it gets harder

6:44

and harder throughout day and i couldn't even look my

6:46

inbox by the end of the day i felt

6:49

like i expected this to happen but i didn't

6:51

expect democrats too

6:54

the whole that hearted they

6:56

did can i ask because

6:59

my rage is toward

7:01

specifically

7:03

the mansion occurs and cinema because i feel

7:05

like we had if

7:07

we had to more democratic senators

7:10

who were the anti filibuster

7:12

and pro choice that way that we

7:14

need we need fifty democratic senators

7:16

who are anti filibustering pro choice

7:19

we have fifty who are pro choice we

7:21

have fifty who were we forty eight were

7:23

anti filibuster on the voting rights act

7:25

we haven't canvas the rest of them on

7:28

are getting rid the filibuster to codify

7:30

row though someone should then

7:33

we would have then every democrat than we have

7:35

every democrat in house or majority democrats

7:37

in the house and joe biden would have signed it into

7:39

law and we would habits i feel like

7:41

my specific rate is directed towards those two

7:44

but i don't know if like could what

7:46

a what could other democrats do you think elected

7:48

democrats have done should have done

7:50

well you know that that's really loaded

7:52

question and it goes back to monday

7:54

morning quarterbacking several monday's ago

7:56

just you know how how we're campaigns

7:58

run in twenty

8:00

you know what seats do we take for granted

8:03

as being wins like susan collins

8:05

seat when she was up for reelection it was

8:07

like oh yeah we're going to win susan collins seat

8:09

all this money poured into it at

8:11

the end of snow seat

8:13

see one legally i'm

8:16

and there there's a bunch of ways i feel

8:18

like twenty twenty was

8:20

mismanaged and didn't

8:23

go as well for democrats as it should have

8:25

gone so i mean yeah

8:27

that and you play with the team you have

8:29

in the team we have has like the real

8:31

stinkers the real stinkers but

8:34

also you know i wish that we would

8:36

have done better job in draft i

8:39

like that i wish we would have drafted

8:41

better that's all i was weird i better draft a better

8:43

bench i wish that we had planned better

8:45

for the fact that this is something that they've been gunning

8:47

for for forty years and this

8:49

is something that was eventually going to happen

8:52

he played one game so ,

8:55

dissenting justice is also wrote that

8:57

quote no one should be confident that this majority

8:59

is done with his work and warned that

9:02

additional constitutional rights are under threat

9:04

such as the right to contraception same sex marriage

9:06

even same sex intercourse what's

9:09

the reasoning there intercourse

9:11

john a you know same

9:14

sex sex is weird thing to say psychiatry

9:16

know what else to say they're so are

9:18

there have been over there already a set

9:20

of vonn i have some options for their

9:23

thirty minutes said the same

9:25

kind of people

9:27

hold everyone not to worry about row

9:29

or a hard at work telling people not to worry about

9:31

contraception see no i worry about

9:34

marriage equality not to worry about lawrence

9:37

they point to the

9:39

majority willing itself with says the

9:41

exercise the right edition griswold cetera

9:44

et cetera does not describe it centralized bird abortion

9:46

has that effect and then they go on say nothing in

9:48

his opinion should be understood to cast doubt

9:50

on president said do not concern abortion

9:53

but then clarence thomas who doesn't give away

9:55

their wait minute me married his arm as

9:57

who that is just because

10:00

he is most radicals five years ahead of them

10:03

there's the courts abortion cases are unique

10:05

and know parties assets decide whether our entire

10:07

fourteenth amendment jurisprudence must be preserved or of

10:09

eyes does i agree that nothing in the court's

10:11

opinion should be understood to cast doubt on president's

10:13

etc but he then says explicitly

10:16

in future cases we should reconsider griswold

10:18

lawrence a burger celts use any subset

10:20

due process isn't is demonstrably erroneous

10:22

they have a duty to correct the error establishing

10:24

this president's what is saying is that

10:27

the overruling of row cast

10:29

doubt on a host of freedoms about

10:32

how we live how we form families

10:34

who we sleep with who we love how we raise

10:36

our children and seen lot of coverage

10:39

the focus not on marriage equality

10:41

or refer to it an anodyne way as gay

10:43

rights the same way that

10:45

there trigger laws on books waiting for this

10:47

moment currently in more than a dozen

10:49

states there are laws on the books that ban

10:52

on gay sex that ban sodomy

10:54

which actually goes on to include lot of what you people

10:56

do it doesn't reproduce as all

10:58

say ah , reproductives

11:02

reproductives korean buying or i'm a bath and

11:04

stuff shirt as shirt don't know

11:06

has limited on your gazidis so gazidis don't

11:08

listen stuff starts hands as off

11:10

somebody suppose this very question

11:12

only thing you're restricted or near for the

11:14

legal the bay of language get horny hours

11:16

of forty get here himself according to the republican

11:18

party does i wonder you do your hand as poetry

11:22

oh man i started as i thought but

11:25

the point is it is true that many

11:27

of these laws target straight people

11:29

they just brought be target with their calling what we costs

11:32

with a smile sodomy ah but

11:34

it would be used target gay people the

11:36

republicans are already getting more more aggressive

11:38

in their anti gay anti trans rhetoric we will

11:41

absolutely be back in days where comps

11:43

and right wing politicians would basically

11:46

threatened and harass and arrest gay people it

11:48

will it will happen again ah that

11:50

is where they want to go up remind

11:52

month everybody that the stonewall riots happened

11:55

because cops were harassing gay people for

11:57

the sin of gathering in public and

12:00

it and was the harassment by cops that

12:02

led famously to a very hot

12:04

white twinkie you're throwing the first

12:06

brick oh i don't

12:08

want i'm glad to know

12:10

that

12:10

that is a history so , got

12:12

the reference like a movie or something someone yes

12:14

it was not throat while according to their was that was our

12:16

way to think if there was no how i target you know and i

12:19

have mariner was like jesus our

12:21

i i not hot white swing

12:23

of citizen brings us back here back we

12:26

just what do we are it and marsha

12:28

be so we should be why you pointed like

12:30

i was pregnant am i

12:32

i lost my mind no mercifully

12:34

johnson was like a formidable

12:38

black drag queen yeah yeah it gets the

12:40

budget maybe origin the

12:43

point is that your point is like the best because they're

12:45

coming that around having for these rights and anyone

12:47

says otherwise is nothing attention either

12:50

that the center of the descent was very powerful and

12:52

scurried it's they also

12:54

mentioned that the

12:56

argument from widow and the majority

12:58

there is like well we don't want

13:00

court to be deciding these issues that send it

13:02

to the states and to say but the dissenters also

13:04

said look the ruling is now going to force

13:06

the court to weigh in on issues like

13:08

whether states must allow exceptions for

13:10

woman's life and health on whether they

13:12

must allow i've yes or care for

13:14

miscarriages are and whether states

13:16

could stop women from traveling out of state

13:18

are receiving abortion medication by mail

13:21

so this whole thing where they're like oh yeah

13:23

we've settled on this issue now it's a good get keep

13:25

our the courts bring back to the states that's not case

13:27

around here is it will earn your version

13:29

of like be mad democrats today the ruined

13:31

my my version was being really mad at the dc

13:34

civility police because they expect us

13:36

to believe that these judges are non partisan

13:38

that they're calling balls and strikes that

13:40

they're of the had their legitimacy is based on our

13:43

agreeing to these terms of they put forward when

13:45

these people are liars they like

13:47

confirmation hearings one the seats was stolen

13:49

by mitch mcconnell and they wrote the release

13:51

opinions that are wholly inconsistent

13:54

legally with each other any

13:56

treat originalism as this tactics they

13:58

used cherry pick laws that the

14:00

right wing happy and the only thing protecting

14:02

this chorus of people and their bullshit

14:04

is people in d c who died

14:07

at cafe mulatto and expect us

14:09

to believe this little six in this hotel the totem

14:11

it's it seemed to me like

14:15

the widows reasoning that i

14:17

will women can simply vote you don't like

14:19

you i race and

14:20

what it was such a net also was like

14:23

it was like fucked up nathan

14:25

for you sketch know where it's

14:27

like well what we want is for

14:29

people to be able make decisions about what happens

14:31

in their bodies and then just like way overly

14:33

complicated and cruel and

14:35

rather than like funny and cool

14:38

you're the one wanted to vote in the gerrymandered

14:40

districts that they allow so they use

14:43

different variety ourselves

14:45

i did into your point i'm into that one

14:47

notable line from descent is when

14:49

they they argue that quotes them

14:52

the majority overruled row in kc for one

14:54

and only one reason because has always

14:57

despised them and now it has the votes

14:59

to discard them and the only thing that changes

15:01

the composition of this court as allies

15:03

that that that was a pretty

15:06

big sign that the liberal justices

15:08

are basically saying this court is fucking politicized

15:10

so all the institutionalists all the civility

15:12

police everyone's like worried about you know

15:14

this the insistence the courts here you

15:16

have three justice is on the supreme court that are basically

15:19

like this is an entirely politicized assist him

15:21

in joint statement which is rare ran

15:24

court's decision had decision had consequences for

15:26

reproductive health care and state all across the country

15:28

tell me what we know about the consequences which states

15:30

have been most affected what's happening in some that

15:32

minutes the short answer is it's it's can

15:34

like legal cast out there is all kinds

15:36

of laws taking affected different times

15:38

in different states couple by

15:41

a race to the bottom from republican legislator

15:43

for lawmakers ah to restrict

15:45

abortion rights even further and so yeah

15:47

that the immediate impact was in that thirteen states

15:49

that at trigger bands and place immediate means

15:51

different things in different places like kentucky louisiana

15:54

south dakota i think those bands go to the media fact

15:57

other states require certification from

15:59

somebody like attorney general some

16:01

states have like thirty day delay

16:03

but i think they're trying speed that up bunch

16:05

more states iowa indiana

16:07

georgia others will likely ban abortion

16:09

in near future armed a bunch of

16:11

states have three row

16:13

laws on the like west virginia thing is law firm eighteen

16:15

hundred banning abortion that will now

16:18

i just have to be applied some way

16:20

florida has passed of fifteen week abortion

16:23

dance republicans calling and rhonda santas

16:25

to come back to do special session to pass six

16:27

week been so it's disaster

16:29

out there and like you know we try to

16:31

follow these events in laws for living and

16:34

it's incredibly complicated hard keep a handle on

16:36

i can't imagine being a

16:39

woman incredibly woman dire situation

16:41

trying to get health care

16:43

and trying to get abortion i try figure out

16:45

where to go on the flipside

16:47

the only good news that sixteen states and i

16:49

think the district of columbia passed laws codifying

16:52

the right to an abortion california

16:54

, law today that will create

16:56

a good than that will then create

16:58

then that we can vote on to create a

17:00

concert on them and enshrining the rights

17:02

but i'm it's very that in the immediate

17:05

impact and what are some of challenges facing

17:07

that's where abortion is still you

17:10

well a tiny ones in california

17:12

and justice yeah i think there's been more

17:14

than ten thousand extra people

17:17

coming from different states in the

17:19

country to try to get abortion to hear because

17:21

it's or difficult where they came from a

17:23

texas elon people coming from texas

17:26

people who live in california who need abortion kerrigan

17:28

face longer times they're going they're

17:31

going to have more difficult

17:34

time , like a later term

17:36

abortion abortion

17:38

you know it's it's basically the the

17:41

number of providers is not

17:43

like magically increasing in these

17:45

places that now are

17:47

are going to see an influx of people coming

17:50

to receive abortion care of

17:52

and so that's that's a that's big issue

17:54

big , want to point out something i'm

17:57

but guess remember back in early cove edwin

17:59

how yeah washington and oregon

18:01

were like we are the worst yes yeah

18:03

they're doing it again with abortion stuff

18:06

so , believe that it's not going be

18:08

chaotic now so you know it has

18:10

them a little bit chaotic with people from texas and

18:12

people from other states are to come to california for

18:14

example example ah

18:17

it seems now that governors in philly

18:19

brown and newsome

18:22

are going to work together going to to coordinate

18:24

and like may get a place where people can

18:26

come in and get abortions on the one know i

18:29

do they were gonna we're

18:31

going to get an e p a ruling next day

18:33

or two

18:34

probably and whatever they

18:36

do similarly the

18:39

question about how to protect environment is gonna

18:41

fall to states and ask and

18:44

protect the rights as

18:46

gonna be as to democratic governments of governors

18:49

to work together and represent together majority

18:51

his ears individually this country they

18:53

represent country majority of gdp the my jewelry

18:55

ya majority the people ah

18:57

to figure out like new legal regimes ah

19:00

to protect people in accordance with

19:02

yeah i mean you talk about legal chaos also

19:04

in these places where abortion has

19:06

trigger lies it's it's causing confusion

19:08

among patients to like louisiana had

19:10

a trigger law that was supposed to go on

19:12

books that it has been paused because

19:15

, suit was filed everly by the center for

19:17

reproductive rights and they

19:20

basically said you have to wait abortion

19:22

care needs to resume and in louisiana adding

19:25

louisiana idaho the doing the same thing utah they're doing

19:27

they're same thinks it's become a

19:29

total nightmare like patchwork

19:31

quilt of state constitutional

19:33

glasses and laws

19:35

that are archaic that might be now

19:38

outdated and and went to the sings

19:40

expire the it's expire in such a morass

19:42

i don't

19:44

envy people trying to wade through all of and know you

19:47

and think the and the descent made that point

19:49

to that i'm just because

19:51

the court versus eyes from the suffering

19:53

that will follow doesn't mean the suffering does not exist

19:55

right now i'm even john roberts try to make

19:57

this point which is there was a narrower

20:00

they're gonna take and they will be up the fifteen

20:02

week banning not throw the country into chaos

20:04

his of course the chief justice in name

20:06

only at this point couldn't get anyone to follow

20:08

his

20:09

i have forward but yeah yeah same

20:11

[unk] lado took shot at him to and his a and it's

20:13

what an asshole the started

20:15

out this is prick the absolute

20:19

or let's talk about where we go from here

20:21

and maybe we can break this into a

20:23

short term medium term long term solutions

20:26

aaron in the short term

20:28

what can president biden and the federal government

20:30

do without congress and

20:33

and do we think anything can get done

20:36

with congress

20:37

ah that's a good question i think that things

20:39

are more likely to get done with congress now

20:42

when it comes clarifying row than it was

20:45

three months ago before we saw this lunatic

20:47

draft i still

20:50

don't think it's going to happen and i hate

20:52

did notion that it just it just need to wait

20:54

for one more election for this some

20:57

to actually get

20:58

yep pulled off because i i like

21:00

like i've been been waiting for one more election for several

21:03

election cycles and it's getting

21:05

to be really tiresome the

21:09

president can urged

21:11

the fda to to make medication abortion

21:13

available to people

21:15

who need it so like telemedicine

21:17

of it's it's a it's a safer madison

21:20

than aspirin for example it's it's very

21:22

safe thing you can be prescribed it

21:24

over in a liquor like remotely

21:26

in a lot of places there's some states have laws against

21:29

it but the by the administration is trying

21:31

to make sure that people are able to access

21:33

medication abortion to the said they can

21:35

now here's the thing about medication abortion

21:38

though it's something has taken

21:40

privately and lot of people who need abortion

21:42

prefer it because it it's it's just take

21:44

in your house handle and the yourself

21:46

next but it doesn't always one hundred

21:48

percent

21:49

work so there is possibility that you'd

21:51

have go in for follow up care and

21:53

it's not clear you know

21:55

what states are allowed to do so

21:57

in some cases that could provide very rare

21:59

ago it's it's a super safe the

22:02

present medicines but it's you know

22:04

in some cases people many follow karen that's

22:06

little bit murkier when it comes to the law so

22:08

that right now at the present is just

22:10

doing like investigating what

22:12

he can do which , a little disappointed

22:15

in i kinda wish was coming out little bit more strongly

22:17

about this one thing that thought was interesting kamala

22:20

harris said an interview today on cnn

22:22

and she mentioned build back better some provisions

22:24

and build and better that won't better that

22:27

what has been fucked but will make life easier

22:29

for parents legs right now democrats

22:31

should strike on paid leave

22:34

your paid leave okay republicans

22:36

with call your bluff like you

22:38

want to make it so that people

22:40

who get pregnant must go to the process

22:43

of pregnancy and birth why

22:45

not make life easier for parents you just

22:47

want force them to have birth you're not going do anything

22:49

for them

22:50

i mean don't know it is one the most outrageous

22:54

ah parts of the debate where

22:57

you seen these now that

22:59

they've fans this

23:01

fundamental human right will republicans finally

23:03

step up and help people to

23:05

make having a child easier as if

23:07

for the last four decades if they

23:09

really gave shit about preventing

23:13

about about helping people had unwanted pregnancies

23:16

ah have a bit have better chance

23:18

to have better life for that child they couldn't have done that

23:20

this whole fucking time skip to wait for their

23:22

to be a gun at people's heads

23:24

to potentially provide childcare is so ludicrous

23:26

it so disgusting and to suits posing

23:29

of how not true anything that they're saying are

23:31

like is a cared about other stores now

23:33

they're not gonna do it now they wouldn't do it didn't do

23:35

it do it that it is just not real

23:37

this is what peggy noonan was trying to pedal on

23:40

meet the press over the weekend will rightly was

23:42

mocked figure out okay you work for

23:44

reagan you gotta to social safety net you

23:46

cannot come out and say single then incredible

23:49

mm let's talk about the uk also

23:51

you know what in environmental

23:53

pollutants are so harmful to pregnant

23:55

people and children's there are there

23:57

have been poisonings are you know chemicals

23:59

been

24:00

environments that affect people like

24:02

the generations forward it's not

24:04

just like oh my mom was

24:06

by some pesticides and so i

24:08

was you know i was born with a of birth

24:10

defects it's like know her grandchildren

24:12

were born like it's so crazy to me that

24:14

you would be about protecting the unborn split

24:16

actually not protecting the unborn at all it

24:19

not about saving them from any

24:21

sort of environmental factor that can

24:23

make their lives worse it's not about

24:25

giving them a chance to bond with their parent

24:27

after they're born it's not about anything

24:29

but forcing people

24:32

who can get pregnant mostly women

24:34

back into this sub second

24:36

class citizen status and

24:39

like it i don't know

24:41

that i fully the dorms

24:43

what that means that like

24:45

i am now you know there certain

24:47

states in this country where there are no

24:50

exceptions to rape or incest if

24:52

i were you know in texas visiting

24:54

and got raped and i got

24:56

pregnant i would be obligated

24:59

to have that person's that is insane

25:02

that is insane and that is insane

25:04

that a leaders smug look and see

25:07

is able to support this the

25:09

mean over

25:11

a while to the daily did at a series

25:13

of interviews they with abortion care providers about

25:15

what that first day after the ruling was like

25:17

and one woman recounted a conversation

25:20

she had with a woman whose

25:22

fourteen year old granddaughter was seeking

25:24

abortions sheriff's after sexual assault

25:27

and she based we had tell us when did find a way travel

25:29

out state i mean it's it's it's it's

25:31

literal my mercenary him

25:34

though not as though so you mention

25:36

the prisoner , the ft

25:38

a garland analysis i think over

25:40

the weekend that they're gonna try to make or

25:42

some indication mark sensible there's

25:44

been talk that perhaps in

25:46

used to power the federal government to set

25:49

up abortion clinics abortion federal

25:51

lands

25:53

that a possibility you know they

25:55

said odyssey's not something happens immediately

25:58

takes time to do that set them up

26:00

and of course they said that they're concerned

26:02

that potentially those abortion providers

26:04

could be prosecuted if the federal lands

26:06

are and states or a this goes back to the legal morass

26:08

right i do think though on all these

26:10

sort executive actions i'm

26:12

sure that the by white house has all their the

26:14

o j lawyers and why hustlers and everyone

26:17

looking at them it's

26:18

try it ,

26:21

i know you're worried it's going get struck down

26:23

like and like this court yeah

26:26

probably but like try it

26:28

or try everything

26:29

what conservatives in the anti abortion move and have been doing

26:32

for forty years they've been just throwing shit at

26:34

the want when i first started covering reproductive

26:36

rights ten years ago there

26:38

were always gets ohio introduces

26:41

a heartbeat bill i remember that was nuts they

26:43

had fetus testify and then the

26:45

fetus like turned away so they couldn't really

26:47

see the fetus during the test was it was

26:49

it was pretty funny yeah i love

26:51

us on send you in over that off libraries

26:54

it at fetus testify and

26:56

and at the time a six week abortion ban was

26:58

like this is not just there was mississippi

27:00

trying to establish legal personhood

27:03

for zygotes loud but

27:05

when at the time we are all like this is nuts

27:07

this is even too crazy for mississippi's but

27:09

now it's actually a real possibilities

27:11

that personhood status could be granted

27:13

to fertilized eggs

27:16

and it's just the the other

27:18

side tries it and tries it and tries it and ties

27:20

and try that and i agree with you that

27:23

we should just start

27:24

pranks and rhythm or in the reason texas

27:26

has a bounty law

27:27

the part of this great experimentation they've been doing

27:29

for years to test the boundaries as defenses

27:31

to find their way stores are ,

27:34

abortion the other thing is limiting the power

27:36

of the federal government here to act without congress

27:38

is the hyde amendment which

27:40

says that the federal government cannot spend

27:42

money on abortion

27:44

care says some proposals like know

27:47

kinda by demonstrations help pay

27:49

for travel for women

27:51

to go out of state who need we need abortions like

27:53

behind him as preventing that now memorably

27:56

during the twenty during the by and finally changes

27:59

the snowman said he's the hyde amendment the

28:01

issue there again is say

28:03

democrats pass a budget which he still only

28:05

need sixty votes for i ,

28:07

know if you have mentioned vote on on repealing

28:09

the hyde amendment so that's problem say the

28:11

call the call this legislative solutions

28:13

in this congress the congress loosens loosens

28:15

back go can you get

28:18

joe manchin or curse and cinema

28:20

to be willing to eliminate the filibuster

28:23

and if he can't democrats don't

28:25

have majority in the senate which

28:27

the problem they didn't do

28:29

anything talk about it it's

28:31

very frustrating

28:34

i'd like to gears and cinema think

28:36

that if the republicans the fifty

28:38

one the majority in the

28:40

senate and they had the trifecta they wouldn't

28:42

eliminate the filibuster on day one to

28:45

ban abortion nationwide does he really

28:47

believes are going to be as they wouldn't do that cause

28:49

they're gonna do that unbelievable

28:52

the other actions short term that we're seeing to is

28:54

ah district attorneys in

28:56

, cities like austan and

28:59

and put like that who are pledging not

29:01

to prosecute people who get abortions are

29:03

some cities also like austin are trying to deter

29:05

police from investigating abortion seekers

29:08

investigating providers so there's some action

29:10

in short term on a local level and it's

29:12

also why these also why races will be

29:14

fairly import also in november because her to

29:16

your the a is is gonna make difference and

29:19

prosecution we

29:20

can i am spartacus this are we gonna

29:22

all act real sketchy like

29:24

we're at we all might be getting abortions

29:26

and like just flood like

29:29

flat like where did it it they can't fight we're

29:31

like in jurisdiction where you

29:33

know you have a an activist or

29:35

da or who's gonna charge people

29:37

for seeking out abortion care are we gonna

29:40

i think should

29:40

i'll bet a good idea like when bts

29:43

fans flooded the tip line for election

29:45

fraud yeah just like our yeah yeah

29:47

that of has her skin that they recently seven

29:49

pts and mean they are just take a break

29:51

that maybe we can get their fans and bolivia

29:53

rodrigo could maybe step in to see and i

29:55

mean like of emmett know what does this can mean we

29:58

some fucking crazy da are pretty sure

30:00

search going after women who had miscarriage more

30:03

than a the of our the

30:05

after be it's it's already

30:07

happened and i think what is gonna happen as

30:09

they're going to keep going after right

30:11

now they're just going after the most marginalized people

30:13

that are the least empowered and

30:15

what gonna happen is they're going to keep trying

30:18

people they have a little bit more power little bit more

30:20

power little bit more power to normalize it

30:22

and eventually though he'll hit live wire

30:25

and know be a case that breaks nationally i

30:27

think that own people will start to

30:29

dry eyes him

30:30

yeah but i think it's it's already happening

30:32

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looks

35:27

like medium term we have a midterm election

35:29

in november that will decide controlled congress

35:31

governorships statehouses of

35:33

and estate mogul offices love it

35:35

was at stake here in way in which states will

35:38

this

35:38

mid term determine whether not

35:40

access to abortion protected servers

35:42

or candid of the vote august second on about

35:44

measure that would reverse a ruling that an

35:46

abortion access has protected by the constitution

35:49

as that's coming fast and that me

35:51

that my son country on first vote on the country and

35:53

us are in pennsylvania or it's

35:55

josh up your of vs master on how

35:57

the pennsylvania legislature is republican they were

36:00

the abortion republican once the democrat

36:02

wins they will not a wisconsin michigan

36:04

those races to democrats are bulwark against

36:06

republican anti choice legislatures organizers

36:09

in michigan are also trying get initiative on

36:11

the ballot because they an old law

36:13

on the books that whitmer and democratic

36:16

officials that state or singer knock on wood force but

36:18

the trying get about measure up pass

36:20

they can amend the constitution so that they don't have deal with this

36:22

ah and if we lose that that governorship that

36:24

they will of course or hundred

36:27

so there's pretty printing for elections so

36:29

air if he tweeted over the weekend that democratic leaders

36:32

must give voters a specific plan because

36:34

honesty and details motivate

36:36

our old boss david plouffe tweeted something similar same

36:38

of the message from the administration is to be clear

36:41

consistent and true tell me

36:43

what should joe biden democratic candidates be saying

36:46

about abortion between now and november

36:48

knowing that there is a lot of frustration

36:51

of their yeah mean look i i agree with puff of

36:53

as had a several different you know instagram

36:55

stories tweet storms think we're were spot on

36:57

the specificity like obviously i think elections matter

37:00

of voting matters but i like i totally get aaron

37:02

way anyone with the outrage

37:04

if the first mean occasion they got from a

37:06

elected official was hey gimme ten

37:08

bucks i hate is devastating thing

37:10

happened to me ten bucks like that's just so fucking

37:12

toned up it's crazy i do think by need to say

37:15

i am committed to passing the women's

37:17

health protection act that this is law that would

37:19

codify row into law in and

37:21

say here's how we can do that right

37:23

need to keep the house ah and

37:25

we need to get fifty pro choice democrats

37:27

in the senate to are willing to get rid the filibuster we

37:29

talked about this earlier we are not the whip counts

37:31

to hopefully weather sledge affairs offices is

37:34

working on this right now that conceicao with that

37:36

looks like it then also

37:38

think donald the biden should

37:40

talk about what can be done at the

37:42

state level may be travel to somebody spices

37:44

go to miskin help them get these four hundred

37:46

thousand some odd signatures i'm

37:48

i'm not sure about the feasibility of that clinics on federal

37:50

lands agree with you i get caught trying by

37:53

think the broader point is point would

37:55

like to hear biden also press the case

37:57

the case bit that we heard in this descent

38:00

in call out the courts bullshit again

38:02

they've they've are liars they lied

38:04

about overturning roe they lied about the respect for

38:06

precedent one them is in stone seats

38:08

we should not let the dc civility police

38:11

protect this narrative the other this is it's

38:13

bullshit i'm and i think

38:16

it's also a bigger when he needs

38:18

to make about ah

38:20

the way republicans are locking in minority rule

38:22

by refusing do gerrymandering and allowing

38:24

voter suppression he said list up clarence

38:27

thomas's insane descent mean

38:29

think we should make clearly

38:31

we should be talking about abortion access and

38:33

how critical it is and how to important health care

38:35

for human beings human rights but also

38:38

think make this coalition

38:40

as wide as possible by talking about these other laws

38:42

that are at risk now and i think

38:45

what what was i like i do think you

38:47

know politicians be specific

38:49

about their plans i think we should also

38:51

be specific about criticisms am

38:54

i agree like i get frustration people

38:56

feel about like the just votes but

38:58

i do seem like lot of sort of there's

39:01

some folks that are painting with a broad brush there's

39:03

like all democrats sucked sucker firing squad

39:05

and think that we end up suppressing or and voters i

39:08

think if want call it nancy pelosi for

39:10

on supporting and require are

39:13

in a primary against

39:15

a pro choice candidate that's totally

39:17

reasonable i'm i seen lot

39:19

of people criticizing obama for not codifying

39:21

grow in two thousand and nine mean like

39:23

there were fifty two democrats

39:25

and senate the time who supported

39:28

abortion rights may be so that wasn't

39:30

gonna pass without someone getting rid and filibuster

39:32

there were something like quarter of the house democrats

39:34

oppose abortion rights at the time i'm

39:37

not saying this like the sand obama

39:39

i'm just saying like again the sort of

39:41

why elections matter with when primaries

39:43

have to make sure that the democrats in our caucus

39:46

support abortion rights i'm

39:48

in that we win the seat against republican so

39:51

i mean i wanted to out real quick that

39:53

i think a biden might not the messenger

39:55

for some this but i think that

39:57

it is really important for the

40:00

people who need reproductive care

40:02

women have anybody can get pregnant

40:05

i really hope that blue state's

40:08

women

40:09

understand that this affects them you

40:11

know i've heard so much ah yeah

40:14

it's so much talk as though this

40:16

is happening to women and people

40:18

who can get pregnant red states on

40:20

and it is and they're they're getting that the

40:22

worst it for sure the more marginal as

40:25

you are them or difficult it's been always

40:27

to get reproductive care but also

40:30

we all are going to

40:32

be impact this isn't just like a horrible

40:34

human rights violation that happening somewhere else

40:37

and were all safe and to california

40:39

new york or you illinois whatever

40:42

is and it's going to affect you

40:44

and you know like we talked about these other room

40:46

with these other rulings it's going

40:48

to affect everyone

40:50

republican to push for federal abortion

40:52

damn exact already talking about it

40:54

doesn't really matter than where you live yeah i

40:56

unless you your who a of america

40:58

governor has

40:59

going to openly defy the federal government's

41:01

and it doesn't matter where you live and and i

41:03

think that that's really important to get messengers

41:05

out there may be the

41:08

email democrats who remember

41:10

a time before

41:10

a row and are willing to talk about it's

41:13

and willing to talk about what that

41:15

actually looks like even know back then

41:17

there were states where it was legal then

41:19

again note like to avoid this to avoid

41:21

the national ban the only

41:23

wrote to do this the

41:25

system that we have is to elect

41:27

a pro choice majority of real pro choice

41:29

majority and you know tommy talking

41:31

about the white house like legislative office

41:33

has without they might we can

41:35

make it you know public right like the

41:37

the lot democrats running right

41:39

now again yeah percent

41:42

they're up and have races ask them

41:44

if they're willing to get rid the filibuster to

41:46

pass the to to codify

41:49

row and a lot you're having than i ever it's popular

41:51

position and of right well so you know i've been

41:53

the webcam if effort obliged to like

41:55

every they're going to get as i don't they're not be able to

41:57

avoid discussing with reporters going ask them as they

42:00

would throw them ever occur to me right now

42:02

we have you know john fetterman is the nominee

42:04

in pennsylvania artist eight by

42:06

normally want buy little bit he's up there saying yes

42:09

if you elect me democratic senator i will

42:11

get rid of the filibuster to codify row and to

42:13

love that's that's one that gets rid

42:15

of cinema in wisconsin

42:17

we don't have nominee yet but all the leading potential

42:19

nominees the senate race in wisconsin mandela

42:22

barnes of them they've also said yes

42:24

i will get rid of filibuster to codify row furious

42:26

that would get rid joe manchin if we keep the rest

42:28

the senate and frequent to the house but you

42:30

do have to get like you know the fall in love

42:32

with politicians or fall out of love the politicians

42:35

to get them on the fucking record of what they're gonna do

42:37

when you elect them in the senate and if you have

42:39

a pro choice majority it's also an anti filibuster

42:41

majority you're going caught i wrote will the

42:43

supreme court then overturn the fucking

42:46

national ah the codified row perhaps

42:48

than we can figure out what to do next but like these

42:50

are this is the process and other pieces as i'd say

42:52

to his it's it's about making sure that the

42:54

democrats we put up or democrats will help us

42:57

get this done but it's also about

42:59

what we do between now and november

43:01

to make that case think that involves democratic

43:03

leadership

43:04

keeping us on this topic day after

43:06

day week after week with hard

43:08

vote after hard vote for republicans on

43:10

contraception on gay rights

43:12

on marriage equality on access to

43:14

abortion on acid abortion caped

43:17

case of rape and incest on of action abortion for

43:19

children who been abused by their

43:21

family members are we to get them

43:23

the record over over again they should be on everyone's

43:25

mind as much possible she now november

43:27

and then that means nationally we to be

43:29

getting republicans on record every where we

43:31

can anyone up for congress anyone

43:33

up for senate do you support national bands

43:36

some animal say yes some them away the question

43:38

but either answer the useful

43:40

to us i we have to keep on

43:42

this and my eye they're gonna be

43:44

this poll about like what joe biden

43:46

focus on he has to talk been a place in obviously

43:48

segment a bunch of different issues but this

43:51

is now part of a broad attack on

43:54

basic the human freedom

43:56

in this country and it is not necessarily

43:59

it you know job in his the is

44:01

he's a leader that we have and he has

44:03

to take on this moment and understand

44:05

that like these are these are a

44:07

norm mistakes people like this he is

44:09

a candidate that was elected up

44:11

for a country was in state morning after

44:13

a pandemic i the past couple

44:15

days i don't think i've it

44:18

has felt like country and morning and

44:20

he is he is he understands

44:22

how to speak to people's pain and moments like this

44:24

and has that he has to do that needs to make that central

44:26

to his case and and just keep the country

44:28

honestly as government is our only hope this

44:32

was a lot of

44:33

well republicans pay price for this because

44:35

you know the polling shows that most americans

44:37

support portions like republicans

44:39

pay price of we make them pay a price

44:41

yeah although mike pence gonna own gold

44:43

that one i had a certs of

44:46

and dollar maybe or and this person

44:48

the conversation are higher know his pants

44:51

like a lot of republicans are sort of and hang back

44:53

not really crowing about it and doing it in

44:55

there may be like crazy channels but pence

44:57

immediately came out and was like hell

44:59

yeah yang federal ban aerobics

45:02

it's so funny to watch that guy to step

45:04

on a rake every time he's got an opportunity

45:07

to do something like he could have looked

45:09

brave and cool during the january

45:11

six hearings note missed that opportunity

45:13

did node braver course he could have just

45:15

said nothing and just kind of quietly

45:17

celebrated this victory and

45:20

are quietly voiced his insane

45:22

views other people that share those views

45:24

but instead he made them super public and now

45:26

democrats have rightfully season

45:29

then

45:29

been my his his hobby mark short

45:31

said about his comments yeah

45:34

he said this because this is the man he's always

45:36

been he's always been for em sua his

45:38

of like sienna we know man yeah we have no thursday

45:41

we know this is the guy you've always been have

45:43

the brown has the that milan i

45:45

remember fate of the glass one of the trump reportedly

45:48

you know

45:49

worried about the political impact

45:51

in think said some the six week bands and other

45:53

things that being put in place and states are crazy

45:55

of course we learned this could is like saying it people

45:58

that and background maggie haberman and ends at once

46:00

trump it directly responsible for

46:02

this ruling because he put in place three

46:04

supreme court justices who led

46:06

to this outcome but yeah i mean died

46:09

there is there is some

46:11

political hope that you know this is going

46:13

to pull some republicans to a place

46:15

that is wildly unpopular like a brother santas

46:18

votes for a six week abortion

46:20

and that psychotic as fucking crazy

46:23

if i'd ideally we see to reminded of conflict

46:25

him when you guys you to say you done one active the such

46:27

as like legislating from the bench allows

46:30

your thing now yeah clarence thomas the

46:33

coming this close to try to break

46:35

up his own merits like he's he's advocating

46:37

for for legal theories

46:39

that would ah the woodwork

46:42

banned interracial marriage yeah he did mention

46:44

loving he the now now be run

46:46

by one off the list of jenny that on the

46:48

computer that

46:48

millionaire that the draft him as

46:50

our body i are you just to end on

46:52

the court aaron like the the recent

46:54

rulings on abortion guns probably climate

46:57

bunch of other issues have recently

46:59

renewed calls for fundamental reform whether

47:02

it's expanding the court or are instituting

47:04

term limits for justices or are limiting the

47:06

court's jurisdiction we're going to

47:08

take get any these reforms down

47:11

oh i mean i ,

47:13

the a lot of people will have to be

47:15

hurting all at exactly the same

47:18

time and have and be reminded over

47:20

and over again that the reason that they are hurting

47:22

is a direct result of things that the

47:24

supreme court did you know

47:26

if from for example if

47:28

overdose all

47:29

the overturned and not

47:32

that want that to happen you're in any way

47:34

shape or form but the the chaos

47:36

of everybody having to figure out alternative legal

47:38

amir the arrangements that mimic

47:40

marriage but aren't marriage when they have children

47:42

you know like and you know anything

47:45

the dials back women's rights

47:48

the far i think also will put us

47:50

in position where you know six

47:52

seven months from now this going to be lot of people

47:54

that are in really really bad spot and

47:56

it's i don't know i hate

47:58

that it's just like wide bread pain

48:02

or even when they're gonna die we're going

48:04

to die is going be includes live in diary

48:06

who don't who aren't even seeking

48:09

elective abortions for i know like it's

48:11

it's ectopic pregnancy care it's miscarriage

48:13

care it's it's all kinds of reproductive care

48:15

and yeah i think maybe when i

48:18

don't know i that's is that's really cynical

48:20

sad

48:21

conclusion but i it's like everything

48:24

that

48:25

people have been warned about for years and

48:27

years by advocates by

48:29

activists by people working on ground

48:31

when it comes to reproductive rights reproductive justice

48:34

all of the cassandra in was just

48:36

ignored for so long the dancing

48:39

his i hope people take away

48:41

from what we're seeing right now there's

48:44

no point was republicans gonna wake up no

48:46

bottom for them as no limit for them

48:49

we have to take a power back from them

48:51

and and think in terms of rick referring

48:53

to court they said about

48:55

doing this for forty years we

48:58

have to start now talking about

49:00

the importance of reforming and changing supreme

49:02

court to sit a modern

49:05

pluralistic the reverse

49:08

america democracy a democracy

49:10

where our rights not situated at

49:12

that before the founding of this country when

49:14

women and black people were property and

49:17

we need to start creating pressure around reforms

49:20

now so if this court continues

49:22

hand down more more aggressive

49:24

abusive despicable rulings

49:26

we're getting closer and closer to that

49:29

political coalition we need to make those changes

49:31

or that the court feels threatened enough to understand

49:34

our that those changes will com if they

49:36

don't respect vast majority the country that does

49:38

not want to be rules

49:39

know at politico did a poll right

49:41

after the decision about court ah

49:44

that people would you be in favor of expanding number

49:46

justice is the court forty five percent approved

49:48

thirty eight percent disapprove that

49:50

sir plus seven there and

49:53

these numbers can move fast especially

49:56

on process questions desert like issues

49:59

like the economy and health care

50:01

the people have had you know strong

50:03

opinions on forever with it

50:05

this is is this is as much as an inside game

50:07

as it is an outside game to this is about

50:09

pressuring elected

50:11

democrats to start coming

50:13

out in favor of court reform we

50:16

started this podcast couple years ago was time of filibuster

50:19

and

50:20

a small percentage the democratic caucus was

50:22

in favor getting rid of filibuster and

50:24

then five years later it's everyone but joe manchin

50:26

cares and cinema and it move really fast

50:28

and the same thing could happen with core reforms if

50:31

we start making that argument that he accepts

50:33

that was your that learned during a democratic

50:35

doom loop

50:36

you know we have gerrymandered districts

50:39

leading to right wing reactionary

50:41

members of congress and state legislators and senators

50:43

putting forward i yeah

50:46

the presidents who won without the popular

50:48

vote putting forward right wing judges

50:50

who are reducing human rights

50:53

and making harder to the anywhere this

50:55

is a a dire dire place

50:57

the be economic and i do think got sense of urgency

50:59

starting at white house's can be really important when

51:01

talking about the stakes her

51:05

the

51:05

about it and it had it's pundit know

51:08

to go to the person

51:10

who needs the dog the most in a in

51:12

car an aggressive off at it as very

51:14

i wanted to add that it has been

51:18

than a it's been really

51:20

revealing how

51:22

few people know very much about supreme court

51:24

does it's very opaque weird and some super

51:26

weird super weird institution

51:29

in there so many little intricacies

51:31

to know about the way that things runs but watching

51:33

a an entire generation i would say there's

51:35

a lot of people under forty who are learning

51:38

just know that

51:40

the room court justices have like no binding code

51:42

us ethics like there's absolutely no

51:44

checks on the supreme court kind

51:47

of sucks just as does that up

51:49

right now and i think that's something that we

51:51

have where i say we had to a talking about

51:53

voters who are you know forty

51:55

five hour understood everyone in here is included

51:59

events

52:00

you such reasoning is unbelievable

52:03

as an elder statesmen tommy

52:05

vietor eminence greece harvey

52:09

make joke goes you interrupt the millennium arizona

52:12

there you know i think a lot americans were not familiar

52:14

with just how out stupid the

52:16

supreme court is and i think that have a lot

52:18

of more widespread knowledge that will

52:21

help institute common sense reforms like

52:23

term , tenure term limit i think would

52:26

make sense to lot of young folks in

52:28

binding justices to code of ethics sixty

52:30

nine percent of as of of as

52:32

polled supported that ah

52:35

only fifteen percent oppose finding

52:38

justices to code of ethics so the have

52:41

like a clarence thomas like leaving laptop

52:43

a member the jenny can like

52:44

they they do their email account variety

52:47

of rise exam spam at a

52:49

law that com and ever have big definitely

52:51

zero an email address percent

52:53

yeah but , think that that

52:55

of his and a code

52:58

of ethics is something that seems very simple

53:00

every other job in country requires you to

53:02

be

53:02

is the the tournaments the you just mentioned

53:05

a that same poll sixty two percent

53:07

strongly are somewhat support tournaments for justice

53:09

is only twenty three percent oppose has

53:11

a pretty here for big margin one of those wondering

53:14

else i would add is i was thinking about

53:16

the hearings the that

53:18

had ah

53:20

under here is it hadn't haskell years for cabin africa

53:22

or such and and for for contraband jackson and

53:27

republicans in those hearings they

53:29

help articulate enforce a ridiculous

53:32

to do so philosophy but nonetheless when they've all

53:34

align themselves around that that

53:36

gets them to their logical conclusion that they want

53:39

because in part because we've been sort of living on these

53:41

rulings that have been so central to the kind of liberal

53:43

order that we all believe in we've talked

53:45

less about what are undergoing political

53:48

philosophy as as as a as a as a movement

53:50

and more about the outcomes right we want keep rao

53:52

we like lawrence wheatley like a burger

53:54

foul we're glad that they ruled that way but

53:57

i i don't hear democrats were

53:59

like democratic even scholars

54:01

and of articulating a a push

54:03

back against originalism the defends the

54:05

the freedoms that have been enshrined

54:07

by this court ah through fourteen

54:10

mehmet like just don't sera i don't hear them

54:12

making a case for our worldview outside

54:14

the outcomes i think we need to start doing that

54:16

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54:18

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welcome thank you so much for joining us you

1:00:18

are very welcome it's nice to be here so

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any can you walk us through what you were doing

1:00:23

when you found out officially that the

1:00:25

supreme court taken away a constitutional

1:00:27

right to an abortion

1:00:30

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1:00:32

i'm you know is kind of started

1:00:35

display ten o'clock

1:00:37

on a decision day kind of ritual

1:00:39

on the last you decision days and

1:00:42

and ironically today actually

1:00:44

is the sixth anniversary of our when

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1:00:48

is said and so i've come to look

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other half are expecting

1:01:28

to see more patience and trying

1:01:30

get ready from what that might look like and

1:01:32

so that day was a little both

1:01:34

process we talk to the stand

1:01:37

so what actions did you need to take immediately

1:01:40

though

1:01:41

when we got the dogs decision

1:01:44

ah we had already spoken

1:01:46

with our council on before

1:01:48

that in if

1:01:50

though when overturned completely we

1:01:52

knew we needed to say the

1:01:55

patience for abortions in texas

1:01:58

kind of we predicted which

1:02:00

was true that

1:02:03

can paxton would start tweeting right

1:02:05

away and try to make the argument that

1:02:07

ah the abortion

1:02:10

ban was enforce

1:02:12

that the trigger man and criminal more some ban

1:02:14

all the things we're now

1:02:16

at play in taxes even though legally

1:02:18

we don't agree interpretation

1:02:21

the knew that the environment was going be hostile

1:02:24

and we needed make sure to protect our

1:02:26

staff and patients in short run in

1:02:29

had been advised stop doing

1:02:31

abortion so we had do that it off or sites

1:02:33

and we had to the pages

1:02:35

way on most of our patients

1:02:38

begged us to be put on waiting list hoping

1:02:41

that we might be able to get an injunction

1:02:44

arm or something in the interim the

1:02:46

mention folks you know how does help

1:02:48

them figure out how to travel outside

1:02:50

the state unfortunately we've been

1:02:52

doing from ten months since

1:02:54

expiate has been enough in texas

1:02:57

we have built program probably find

1:02:59

program and we have been helping people find

1:03:01

way basically friends been

1:03:04

denied an abortion to access to another state

1:03:06

where they can get health and show the

1:03:08

kind of kicked in this in present

1:03:10

tense and no real life

1:03:13

with patients right front of us a family

1:03:16

the way friend or program i'm can you

1:03:19

go a little bit more into detail about how

1:03:21

that works

1:03:22

sure so we started

1:03:25

helping people find their way out of texas

1:03:28

during that how

1:03:31

did he oh so am i did

1:03:33

twenty twenty able to a twenty on

1:03:35

gov abbott issued an executive

1:03:37

order basically banning abortion

1:03:39

and saying that abortion

1:03:41

was not essential health care and i'm and it used

1:03:44

to much t v etc i'm

1:03:47

in so he is basically covered

1:03:49

on the pandemic as an excuse to ban

1:03:51

abortion and i'm that worked for about

1:03:53

three weeks actually until we challenge

1:03:55

debt and one but imagery

1:03:57

we time period hundreds of people are

1:03:59

dinner in an abortion care services

1:04:02

and show we started to help people

1:04:04

migrate from texas to other places

1:04:06

you are clinics on most

1:04:08

specifically because we were able get him in as

1:04:10

quickly as possible and they didn't have to wait so

1:04:13

all paperwork again federer that

1:04:16

when it started and then i'm

1:04:19

we try to had to pick it up again when sch

1:04:21

when into force in texas last

1:04:24

september which denies

1:04:26

people abortions if they're over six weeks into

1:04:28

the pregnancy which about

1:04:30

eighty percent of the people who come for abortion

1:04:33

and especially in texas where

1:04:35

there's a twenty four hour waiting period and all

1:04:37

these barriers to even get an appointment for

1:04:39

an abortion first place vast majority

1:04:41

my patients over six weeks so

1:04:44

initially me started to refer them to

1:04:47

the surrounding states they

1:04:50

think it really poignant right now after

1:04:52

the fall of rome right so the like

1:04:54

go to oklahoma got into mexico gun

1:04:56

the janitor closer and within

1:04:58

week of as the as passing the

1:05:01

surrounding states all had it or forty

1:05:03

six the great for abortion the

1:05:05

would just like it crumbled the whole infrastructure

1:05:08

i'm and i was getting phone calls

1:05:10

from people my friends in the

1:05:12

field in florida and

1:05:14

new work in this again

1:05:16

all over the country who are seem to sufficient

1:05:19

there they had all these questions about

1:05:21

in which is aiding and abetting can we help it from

1:05:23

texas to we not villa and i realize

1:05:26

we got to see the people we gotta figure out way

1:05:28

to get them seen as we are experts

1:05:30

in texas law kind of know

1:05:34

the taxes is law doesn't extend beyond our borders

1:05:37

right and so we don't want folks from

1:05:39

texas to be discriminated against when they go and get

1:05:41

an abortion and

1:05:42

community and so we used

1:05:45

our abortion

1:05:45

the ah the sigma really fund to

1:05:48

help people financially and

1:05:50

then we had south arm

1:05:52

and we still have the helping

1:05:54

with all of the sort of logistics

1:05:56

on which think of as part of way find a program

1:05:59

so is there before the debate of like

1:06:01

what airlines fly from what airports to

1:06:03

what airport no gop which airplane

1:06:06

then to temple believed what time

1:06:09

of day the flyers on we

1:06:11

had to build a whole database for folks never

1:06:13

the average home than of state you know so

1:06:15

they didn't know all the stuff that many

1:06:17

about me know already about how to fly we

1:06:19

can carry on what you can't wear a need for

1:06:21

idea how early to show up so

1:06:24

was really a wraparound service

1:06:26

and the even if we pay for someone to

1:06:28

tell i'm folks

1:06:30

that are economically disadvantaged don't have

1:06:32

credit cards and they can't check into hotel

1:06:34

without presenting card at time check

1:06:36

in which is nuts and so we

1:06:39

book folks hotel and then we would end up needing

1:06:42

to meet them there to help them the again the

1:06:45

facility transportation from the airport

1:06:48

to the clinic into our tall then

1:06:50

we also did lot of support of folks

1:06:52

who needed to drive room almost

1:06:55

seventy percent patients the in texas

1:06:57

or parenting already you're navigating

1:06:59

multiple jobs in a pandemic

1:07:01

to sleep the rest of us in so child

1:07:04

care's really challenging didn't come off workers

1:07:06

really challenging so many people dislike

1:07:09

how their family into car and drove all night

1:07:11

to get there were said and we

1:07:13

had folks driving from south texas to

1:07:15

virginia driving from texas

1:07:17

the minnesota keep in mind these

1:07:19

are like the three day drives

1:07:22

am they would get the abortion

1:07:24

and their kids would be there with seven car

1:07:26

on and then they would just turn

1:07:28

around and drive right back so they

1:07:30

get back to work these

1:07:33

the things we've been doing with this program

1:07:35

try to help people gas cards and in

1:07:38

her towels and also just get an

1:07:40

appointment as

1:07:42

soon as possible such really their primary concern

1:07:45

primary concern turned away for an abortion you

1:07:47

want to know where they can be seen the center the and

1:07:50

how we can help them get there

1:07:53

the whole women's health has also been

1:07:55

assisting in providing abortion pills

1:07:57

by mail can you talk us through how that works

1:08:00

yeah so we also

1:08:02

in the same time period launched am

1:08:04

our virtual care program

1:08:07

thanks to the by demonstration was relaxed

1:08:09

with the restrictions which were like no

1:08:11

evidence based restrictions the first place

1:08:13

around on abortion pills they're

1:08:16

just like political in nature in first

1:08:18

place though it's one

1:08:20

of bright spots i guess from the pandemic

1:08:22

is that people finally saw that medication

1:08:25

abortion is very safe in

1:08:27

that and you know private folks can

1:08:29

figure out how to manage that the support

1:08:31

from providers like us and

1:08:33

we were able to provide that for

1:08:36

them via telemedicine in

1:08:38

so we have we have with the pay said and

1:08:40

kind of go over harvesting works make

1:08:42

sure they understand the have a questions

1:08:44

answered these are supported and

1:08:46

then are provider can call the

1:08:48

prescription into an online pharmacy and

1:08:50

that pharmacy can mail it to the

1:08:52

patient now the patient

1:08:54

needs to be in a state where

1:08:56

medication abortion by mail and tell him is

1:08:59

allowed of course that's not

1:09:01

allowed in texas louisiana mississippi

1:09:03

here in indiana lot of the places

1:09:06

that really need an

1:09:08

this access but it is allowed

1:09:10

and many other states about twenty and

1:09:12

so we have a

1:09:15

virtual abortion care services in the mexico

1:09:18

in minnesota and illinois the

1:09:20

and maryland and virginia and

1:09:23

we have people coming from those

1:09:25

days and also surrounding states

1:09:28

they need to and be in state

1:09:31

where telemedicine is allowed

1:09:33

for the virtual visit and then need receive

1:09:35

the felt at an address the

1:09:37

next day the end of the

1:09:39

doctor who's working with them is obviously licensed

1:09:42

in that state as well it's

1:09:45

advanced madison in a lot of

1:09:47

areas you know access to for folks

1:09:49

who live in rural communities in lots of specialties

1:09:51

themselves to perfectly a clickable

1:09:53

right for abortion

1:09:55

and it's allowed us to help folks

1:09:58

i'm not only from the from like

1:10:00

many places we're

1:10:02

even seen people in a alexander in

1:10:04

virginia beach in richmond to have clinic

1:10:07

right there in community medication

1:10:09

abortion my meal because it's convenient for they

1:10:11

prefer and so i'm

1:10:13

glad see us able to advance something

1:10:17

and know that this is gonna be huge option for

1:10:19

people in a in the years

1:10:21

in there to come

1:10:23

so a amy over the last

1:10:25

few days i've seen a lot of

1:10:27

viral content on social media

1:10:29

the outraged contents about

1:10:32

the dogs decision and

1:10:34

i think lot of it is really well intentioned

1:10:37

but it seems that some of it isn't quite

1:10:39

factually accurate have you seen anything

1:10:41

being shared widely on social media that

1:10:43

while it might be well intentioned actually makes

1:10:46

what you're trying to do harder and is there anything

1:10:48

you want to kind of like correct

1:10:50

the great question i really appreciate

1:10:52

being asked question

1:10:55

no i i i see lot of people

1:10:57

getting frustrated at folks who just

1:10:59

now woke up are just now realized

1:11:02

price of diesel is at issue i'm in

1:11:04

people who surprised and other

1:11:06

saddled find myself mad at those folks and

1:11:09

then i think arm our movement needs to be

1:11:12

organ mean as possible and just like

1:11:14

let's the get mad when they get mad and

1:11:16

chime in to do something and

1:11:19

now is that the never and so i'm trying

1:11:21

to decide that approach have been welcoming to folks

1:11:24

on i do think people need to respect

1:11:26

the expertise of the abortion provider there's who

1:11:28

are already providing into already train

1:11:31

the one thing that's been irritating is you

1:11:34

know providers who never even

1:11:36

cared about abortion before now saying i want to

1:11:38

get trained to do abortions and i want travel

1:11:40

and you know i think we need to

1:11:43

be able to focus on huge

1:11:45

presented the abortion care workforce the

1:11:48

being left behind right now i'm embarrassed

1:11:51

with clinics in the states where abortion is beyond

1:11:53

that staffed with incredibly talented

1:11:56

and dedicated staff and physicians

1:11:58

who need support to relocate

1:12:01

for need to figure out how to move those clinics

1:12:04

or be able to maintain in employment

1:12:06

image posts your landscape

1:12:08

and so i know some providers have been a

1:12:10

little frustrated you know amazon

1:12:13

and you know air docking

1:12:15

know new york is like overdose or to the horses

1:12:17

the hero any links he did is

1:12:19

that kind feeling of like hey you know we've

1:12:21

been here all the time and in a we need your support

1:12:23

to be able to continue to do this

1:12:25

work on same with sort of networks

1:12:28

with abortion funds and it works with

1:12:30

independent clinics like we know

1:12:32

how to get people accurate information we

1:12:34

know how to

1:12:36

provide practical support and support

1:12:38

for the actual abortion we've

1:12:40

sorta got lot of the system built already

1:12:42

about how to help people can afford abortion

1:12:44

or how to help people travel and

1:12:46

so i think you know the same the

1:12:48

folks who are right now offering you

1:12:50

know their own couches or to give people rides

1:12:53

or to start new organization think

1:12:55

they need to to smoke to somebody existing

1:12:57

organizations and ask her how could

1:12:59

i have like you have this expertise where

1:13:02

can i plugin you know give me some direction

1:13:05

am i think those are couple things couple things

1:13:07

just it is important

1:13:09

to get mad at folks for not enough for being

1:13:11

naive are coming with on

1:13:13

and really like help when

1:13:16

would caution people to move from sort of

1:13:18

savior isn't kind of

1:13:20

rescue islam to a place of like

1:13:22

alice ship and trying

1:13:25

support infrastructure and the expertise to

1:13:27

die here and on

1:13:29

that know what do you need right now to

1:13:31

keep your doors open like what is happening

1:13:33

on the ground to keep your doors open great

1:13:35

question so we could use

1:13:37

a support for the way find program

1:13:40

which people can donate to if go to whole

1:13:42

and health alliance and whole woman

1:13:44

is singular people sometimes mess

1:13:46

that up so whole womans health alliance

1:13:48

dot org also

1:13:51

we are doing our best to relocate

1:13:53

them or clinics we're gonna have to cease

1:13:56

operations at some point probably in texas

1:13:59

we announced the lawsuit today it was actually

1:14:01

just like half an hour ago

1:14:03

and see fatally submersible and talk

1:14:05

to since he announced it were challenging

1:14:08

on taxes interpretation of the criminal

1:14:10

bullshit in texas

1:14:11

or hope it to at least get sixty more

1:14:13

days on before the trigger

1:14:15

ban goes into effect where where people

1:14:17

in texas can get some care than

1:14:20

but we need to

1:14:22

they quickly pack up the clinics and move

1:14:24

elsewhere and we could how i'm

1:14:27

for those kind of purposes

1:14:29

we're looking at new mexico looking at illinois

1:14:32

we already have clinics in minnesota in virginia

1:14:34

and maryland but really i'm

1:14:36

kind of clinical

1:14:38

box right and then like passing and up

1:14:40

into a pod and trying the reopened

1:14:42

in state where we know an

1:14:45

abortion will be supported and where

1:14:47

we can have the people who are going be displaced

1:14:49

from other places and part

1:14:53

of it and just welcoming

1:14:55

you know knowing that they'll be clinics

1:14:58

you live a haven state and

1:15:00

there will be people traveling into your state

1:15:02

who are only therefore

1:15:05

abortion services and so just signed up

1:15:08

welcome to folks you know i'm

1:15:10

i'm how people who may be coming from

1:15:12

very different parts of the country and with

1:15:15

the resources whether it's gas card there's

1:15:17

you know the cafe is that a pro choice progressive

1:15:20

the hotels that are gonna be safe for them to

1:15:22

say and and no we got

1:15:24

we need more info on those the

1:15:27

kind of things to add your database so that we

1:15:29

can build good relationships that will

1:15:31

be safe and supportive places for a pitcher

1:15:35

and one more question before i let you go

1:15:36

this is something of genuinely been wondering

1:15:39

since friday it's like a second

1:15:41

pair concern that's what you

1:15:43

think that the losers to spend

1:15:45

all day harassing abortion patients outside

1:15:47

of your clinic or gonna do

1:15:49

now like what are they going to tuna

1:15:52

you know that in a great question i would

1:15:54

say to somebody other day that i think for

1:15:56

a better than it it really

1:15:58

night

1:16:02

they're they're going to be fifty

1:16:04

states worth of anti protests

1:16:06

that are focused on the remaining twenty

1:16:08

four twenty five no

1:16:10

i am concerned that the clinics

1:16:13

that are remaining open are going

1:16:15

to have increased harassment i'm

1:16:17

concerned that these folks won't be

1:16:19

satisfied with this giant when that they just

1:16:21

had and that they're gonna move next

1:16:23

to the restricting

1:16:26

they'll use

1:16:28

it don't have a policy approach

1:16:30

right to legislature but i think they'll also

1:16:33

im just crummy to

1:16:35

people in the streets i'm concerned about people

1:16:37

being followed people being harassed

1:16:39

or threats being made accelerants think

1:16:42

here again it's so important the

1:16:44

majority of people this country who support

1:16:47

access to safe abortion like dot vast

1:16:49

majority right over the presents

1:16:52

need to just let folks know that those folks

1:16:54

don't represent them that they are

1:16:56

community problem know lot times people

1:16:59

abortion care take possession of their processes

1:17:02

they'll say like the clinic's protesters fright

1:17:04

night their own in those protesters

1:17:06

they belong to the community right and

1:17:09

the community somehow ago when

1:17:11

that dynamic to happen i think many

1:17:13

of us could us could allowing their

1:17:16

right could make it less sort of oh

1:17:18

of course the that clinical with their houses just

1:17:20

as because that's expected find that

1:17:22

expected to shouldn't be random and

1:17:24

so different of calling on people to make

1:17:26

those anti abortion protesters still

1:17:28

very uncomfortable sky

1:17:30

, and colorful counter protests outside

1:17:33

of clinic in duluth minnesota

1:17:35

wince minnesota follow ethic talk any

1:17:38

greatly me as and greatly media and

1:17:41

, signs are better than their science regardless

1:17:43

so absolutely or

1:17:45

amy hipster miller thank you so much

1:17:47

for the where he do with orgy continue to do

1:17:49

and thank you for joining me today you

1:17:52

are welcome thanks so much rather nice

1:18:00

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