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in pennsylvania one

5:20

, the judges trump appointed also granted

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his request for a special master

5:25

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in his beach house which will

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the investigation into the twenty

5:34

twenty four republican front runner who

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according to a new washington post story

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this week had been hiding

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highly classified information about a foreign

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governments nuclear weapons program

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in marla ago as well as

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documents so secret that

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only the president and a few cabinet members

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could authorize other government officials

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the know about them naturally

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prompted doing what any good that just or lawyer would

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tell a candidate to do was under criminal investigation

6:03

for stealing nuclear secrets making

6:06

it part of his stump speech of ticket

6:08

c f vi and the justice department

6:11

that become vicious monsters

6:13

it , not just my

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home that was rated

6:18

last month

6:19

it was the hopes and dreams

6:21

of every citizen who i've been fighting for

6:23

since the moment i came down the goals

6:25

and escalator some are allowed

6:28

to read was a desperate

6:30

effort to distract from joe biden

6:32

record and misery and failure

6:44

all a device

6:56

the and as enemies of

6:59

the state your all enemies of the stay

7:03

on one another for another for b i didn't just

7:05

raid his home then they raided your hopes

7:07

and

7:10

i love that part is

7:12

terrible speechwriting are ,

7:15

to unpack their let's start with

7:17

judge irene cannons decision

7:19

to stop investigation into investigation special master

7:21

can look through all the documents they found

7:23

in morrow lago and separate the yard the

7:25

nuclear secrets trump stole from his the

7:28

old porn stash what

7:31

, the couldn't couldn't

7:34

what are they gonna do what

7:37

do you make of the ruling what happens now well

7:41

as we as with us every episode

7:43

since we got really deep into trump's

7:45

crimes of less mature so we are the

7:48

i'm it's are lawyers now we're not liars

7:50

right we but we do follow lot

7:52

of wires on twitter the so i feel

7:54

like i can speak with some authority on this matter

7:56

likely they are outraged that is

7:59

your favorite

8:00

twitter wires

8:01

it is ruined the bullshit including

8:06

new attorney general of resistance

8:08

nation built bar he thinks it's absurd

8:10

he called it a crock of shit built bar called

8:12

it a crock of shit this ruling that's what you need to

8:14

know the years and zero bill

8:17

bar get your bubble has all get your vote

8:19

of to handle with build on when

8:23

we got our mothers all we got a crisper

8:25

radar we going to school board all

8:28

regatta , hersman doll or

8:31

editor in it you

8:33

don't really even have to be a

8:35

lawyer or even follow top wires on twitter

8:37

to understand why this really is idiocy

8:39

because one of the main that you're

8:42

gonna be huge debate about whether

8:44

executive privilege which is that reason for

8:46

the special meals with such matters is better is actually

8:48

to see which made the subjects executed

8:52

now it's were stipulating that executive

8:54

privilege is the reply to former presidents it's

8:56

really doesn't apply to darkness movie with in executive

8:58

branch which is where the f b i and

9:00

probably just exists but what but

9:02

there's like a factual a massive factual error

9:05

this will they were it says that president biden

9:07

did not lay in because of the sitting president

9:09

makes term leases on sex privilege because they are the executive

9:11

not the fucking younger than the beach house ah

9:15

whether he had not waiting on whether executive

9:17

privilege could be played your but he did in the

9:19

letter from the archivists that was

9:21

that trump's teams foolishly will be released

9:24

last month and so with this is just and activity

9:26

see that the impact of this is everyone

9:28

has sort of written as at this will delay but

9:31

not necessarily the rails of

9:33

the investigation but the delay does

9:35

matter because if it kicks it

9:37

downs the curve for a long time

9:40

you're going to be put into position where the context

9:42

in which in a potential indictment could be announced

9:45

his in the middle for presidential campaign which he it should

9:47

not be more complicated there is no special

9:49

provision in the law that says if you're running for president

9:51

you can't go to jail for cancer to minutes but

9:54

as we know everything is political on that

9:56

will add some complications of such an announcement

9:58

if i were to our boy

10:00

billie bar or is that

10:02

he's he's like pretty certain this

10:05

would be overturned because like that didn't

10:07

know how crazy the executive the

10:10

, privilege ruling is here the ruling

10:12

about of executive privilege that there

10:14

is some dispute over like whether

10:17

former presidents can ever have can ever of

10:19

executive privilege by the

10:21

ruling about be the supreme court ruling that's based

10:23

on took place before the presidential

10:26

records act within passed into law

10:28

the presidential records act make very very

10:31

clear what you just said which is that

10:33

the current president gets to decide

10:36

what documents are privileged you're not you're

10:38

not former presidents of now

10:41

if you get a special master first of all you

10:43

have to define a special master you

10:45

have to have both sides agree on

10:47

candidates to be this person to person

10:50

has to be classified at the highest

10:52

level in order to even see

10:54

some of these documents and then

10:56

this person has to make some determination

10:59

about which documents are

11:01

privilege and which aren't even though

11:04

the law does not spell that out at all because the law

11:06

says that nothing's privilege because joe biden

11:08

gets to make the privilege and fix the decision on

11:10

privilege so it's like preposterous

11:12

so the the the government

11:14

the d o j hasn't hasn't as

11:16

an option they either go

11:19

down this route trying to find a special mess

11:21

with all those qualifications who can do that which seems

11:23

very very difficult but agatha have to this

11:25

friday both sides come up with a list of

11:27

special potential special master candidates he agree

11:30

on or the d o j

11:32

appeal this ruling to the eleventh

11:34

circuit now that

11:36

issue there the eleventh circuit has eleven

11:38

judges six or trump appointed judges

11:40

and five five or not but

11:43

people like he like even you know very

11:45

conservative people like bill bar think that

11:47

even though there are other trump judges on this on

11:49

the sullivan circuit court there's no way they would uphold

11:52

the thing is interesting story the new york

11:54

times today about the dilemma the justice department

11:56

has yeah which is i think they believe on the merits

11:58

they would witness and when it either way but

12:01

they're to challenges to an appeal wine further

12:04

delay the special master race issue

12:07

and there is a concern that easy just

12:09

get a ryan's of trump judges running

12:11

up to the trump's supreme courts which could

12:13

create an entirely absurd new

12:15

expansion of executive power to include

12:18

former presidents and so there's there's a potential

12:21

challenge to their so that they'd like they really

12:23

have even if they are one hundred percent right on the merits

12:26

there are timing and larger

12:28

issues the on trump they have to wrestle with as you make this

12:31

decision but it seems like they're gonna

12:33

they're gonna have to appeal because

12:35

even if they don't want to criminally charged

12:37

trump the national intelligence

12:40

assessment of the damage and the fallout

12:42

from trump having these secrets can't even

12:45

continue the judge said it's technically

12:47

can continue but in

12:49

all reality like you

12:51

can't do a fair assessment of this if

12:53

like the d o j and the f b i can't

12:55

be involved and looking at the documents and

12:58

help with the investigation into what

13:00

damage has been done from trump

13:02

holding these documents like it's not there's there's

13:05

they're trying to build a fake wall between the

13:07

intelligence officials and the justice

13:09

department officials and saying that the intelligence

13:11

officials can keep going with investigation but the justice

13:13

department can't but in reality that doesn't work

13:16

so like if they want to do this assessment

13:18

which they have to for national security reasons they're

13:20

gonna have to appeal it's

13:23

just the whole thing is so stupid it

13:25

didn't affect our ship this place is so

13:27

dumb it has nothing to do it he the point

13:29

is they're not his documents no one

13:31

has ever suggests or thoughtless as their present their his documents

13:34

he talked up he wasn't supposed to he

13:36

whined about it keeps her to the investigation

13:38

and because mitch mcconnell ram

13:41

through some fucking yahoo to sit at the corner moral

13:43

log out for in this position where trump is once

13:45

again using the tyranny

13:47

of the political minority to avoid criminal prosecution

13:50

good argument for fighting pretty hard to keep

13:52

the senate

13:53

because he hadn't even if democrats

13:56

lose the house if we keep the senate

13:58

to bind can keep nominating

13:59

confirming judges so we

14:02

don't have more fucking trump judges who do yahoo

14:04

rulings like this anyway

14:06

so you hurt trumpet the rally he said that

14:08

this raid was a a distraction from

14:10

joe biden failures and called law enforcement

14:12

officers vicious monsters the

14:15

didn't just read his home again but rated

14:17

the hopes and specifically citizen you've

14:19

been fighting for you think that defense works

14:22

with anyone who's us not a die hard

14:24

trump supporter you

14:26

might find it ironic that

14:28

the blue lives matter crowds

14:31

are the ones who were it's using federal law enforcement

14:33

agents of thing enemies of the state were planning

14:35

evidence on a former president and are apparatchiks

14:37

and joe biden political or me he i

14:39

find that iraq to i think

14:42

this is going to be perfectly persuasive for the

14:44

plurality of americans who think donald trump

14:46

does ah dangerous and unsaid

14:48

process now but

14:51

it is an argument with political power the

14:53

time modern

14:55

conservatism particularly donald trump's

14:58

amped up version of it

14:59

hands on the propagation

15:02

odds a

15:04

the spirits world apocalyptic

15:07

recommendation right everyone's coming

15:10

after us which because what that does is it

15:12

creates

15:13

permission structure to do anything

15:15

and everything

15:16

the press most still elections

15:19

sees the electoral apparatus political

15:21

violence and so this is like the this

15:23

is only working as or he's trying to create a sense

15:25

of grievance and victimization a mighty among

15:27

his base to get them to turnouts i

15:29

don't think it's moving anyone from the

15:31

trump camp to the non from seven and on from camp

15:34

to the some camps by

15:36

donald trump is to has really understood

15:38

for the beginning that his

15:41

political power is tied

15:43

to just how fired up his base

15:45

is which is a minority of republicans and

15:47

it's they're fired up in their hands up and every

15:49

other republicans has to bed the dates and

15:51

so there it like this that this will this message

15:54

will protect him with in the party

15:56

and as the first steps protecting him more broadly

15:59

the i did an enlarged

15:59

these but it for the radicalised the base which is

16:02

quite dangerous at this point it's just

16:04

so ridiculous the like i realized that that's the

16:07

that's the demagogue authoritarian move

16:09

that's that's not they're not coming after me they're coming after

16:11

you you know but it's just so fights i guess

16:13

people think it's a raid on their beach house

16:16

said , is he sits who among

16:18

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16:21

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16:23

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16:26

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16:28

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16:30

is just sort of wound you to sort of think

16:32

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16:35

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16:38

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16:40

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every republican on the ballot read

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17:01

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17:03

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21:32

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21:34

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about the broader midterm context here and

21:49

that clip we played earlier or we also heard

21:51

from talk about biden speech in philadelphia

21:54

where he accused the president of

21:56

vilifying millions of citizens as

21:59

enemies of the

21:59

here's a clip from biden speech donald

22:02

shop on the major republicans represented

22:05

, that threatens the

22:07

very foundations of our

22:09

republic republic

22:11

ought to be very be clear

22:14

across not

22:17

every followed you're not even a majority republicans

22:20

are even republicans not

22:23

every public get braces are extreme ideology

22:26

i , know i've been

22:28

able to work with these mainstream these

22:32

but there's republicans question that

22:34

republican party to days dominated

22:36

party as intimidated by

22:39

donald trump on the mugger republicans and

22:42

that is that threat to this country

22:44

right there was an interminable

22:47

amount of debate i'm hooked a

22:49

speech that i'd rather not

22:51

rehash for our poor listeners if

22:54

i felt grateful we didn't

22:56

have a pod to ,

22:58

into peak so we didn't have

23:00

there are talk about the fresh takes on the

23:02

speeds but like let's just

23:04

let's let's just to this question what

23:07

do you think the white house strategy was

23:09

with this speech prime time speech

23:12

big speeds he goes to philadelphia

23:14

where why didn't they did there

23:18

has been over the course of blasts

23:20

six or so months to sort of

23:22

the be among democratic operatives

23:25

sundance campaign folks about what

23:27

the fall message

23:29

should be about the to be about what

23:32

democrats delivered what have we done shouldn't

23:34

be about kitchen table issues should

23:36

it be about january six or

23:39

something else and i think by giving this speech

23:41

which this to a call to make

23:44

this election make referendum election republican

23:46

extremism

23:48

the white at your mind in the way i'll send a message to

23:50

every democrat every human frankly every reporter

23:52

covering

23:53

you can name's what this should be about

23:55

the daisy the central issue here

23:58

to beats the extremism of

23:59

republicans and it's it is

24:02

like this is like what the white house he do

24:04

to help enforce some sort of message

24:06

cohesion among the party's is to give a

24:09

big speech given a primetime get a lot of attention

24:11

and hope that everyone follows

24:13

and so i think that's with a goal was your a sous les

24:16

their carts down for what they think the best messages

24:18

for thought me see there's a new navigator pull out today

24:20

which sits in there's an awesome a new

24:22

are reuters call but both show the

24:25

power of this extremism argument

24:28

and the willingness of a majority

24:30

of voters to

24:32

believe that we're going to dangerous extremists

24:35

reuters poll today's

24:37

taken after in the days after biden speech

24:40

it's interesting fifty a present in

24:42

the polls say that trump's make america great again

24:45

movement is threatening america's democratic

24:47

foundations that includes twenty five

24:49

percent of republicans i'm you

24:51

really think only twenty five percent and pretty

24:53

good ah sixty percent of republicans

24:56

don't think trump's mega movement

24:58

represents the majority of the party

25:00

which i thought was interesting but

25:03

, fifty nine percent said biden speech will further

25:05

divide the country so half said that they didn't

25:07

watch or follow the speech at all which

25:09

i think those numbers those

25:11

sort of conflicting seemingly conflicting

25:13

numbers kind of say at all but like

25:15

decent biden speeds should be the basis

25:18

for the democratic mentor message i

25:20

do i think we have an overwhelming

25:22

political and frankly moral obligation

25:24

to

25:25

hearn all of our firepower on soca

25:27

saying on the dangers of

25:29

this republican party not just

25:32

dangerous to democracy and extremism

25:34

in these vague wastes it

25:36

is abortion it

25:39

is attacking

25:41

a marriage or quality

25:43

attacking trans people book bans

25:46

privatizing social security overturning

25:48

elections all of it and i think in

25:51

other we talk a lot about how the

25:54

the dogs decision has sort of the

25:57

analyze democratic movement speed always

25:59

the the stories about people to be fired up an r n b

26:02

words and but we saw what happened kansas and and the new york

26:04

special license at ryan him the usoc the last week's

26:07

but ultimately what the i think the

26:09

dogs decision did is it

26:11

crystallize the impact of

26:14

republican extremism and if you can convince

26:16

and i think what is important to us is that we used is

26:19

that abortion is actually central issue in

26:21

this race but it is a

26:23

it is a gateway issue and to a

26:25

broader conversation republican extremists because

26:27

of you can convince someone that

26:30

the and even done commits been informed voters

26:32

of his republicans have he's incredibly extreme positions

26:34

on abortion so they once

26:37

when a bayonet and keeps his case of rape

26:39

and incest and light of the mother that they're gonna start

26:41

hacking id es in all of these other things

26:44

what have you people understand that than

26:46

they are more likely to believe in this in this

26:48

to the same republicans well overthrow

26:50

elections they wall attack

26:52

marriage equality they will eliminate

26:55

social security they will do all of these

26:57

things and so i believe that the that i

26:59

mean we've talked a little bit last week but there was a very

27:01

very dangerous strain in this country right

27:03

now and we have to call that out

27:05

in there is no political downside

27:07

and debate and there's a whole heck of a lot of put them upside

27:09

in yeah we

27:12

ask you this no interest they were harassed

27:14

scripts are you saying six glover

27:17

decides you think that anyone watch

27:19

that speech who

27:22

are wasn't already voting for democrats

27:25

would be convinced to vote for democrats based

27:28

on that speech

27:30

i think that we that

27:32

is a over maybe

27:34

i don't the speech is the speech right

27:36

now the many people watch the speech

27:39

they are wrongly amount of you work and who consumers

27:41

wizard me consuming it's in just the

27:43

conversation around it

27:45

most of our target voters will consume get another

27:47

the speech nor the conversation and so

27:49

what it's the tail effects of the message

27:51

his wife it's the various campaigns

27:53

like amphetamine have regrets occidental that put

27:55

in their message and in are key messages

27:57

that is what is going about it's like it's know

27:59

no no undecided voters watching why primetime

28:02

sieges other than a moments of extreme national

28:04

crisis right

28:06

now that my god it the attic

28:08

that's the wrong we began it's also

28:11

edited adding were is an overly

28:13

narrow view of politics be like hey

28:15

i'm at a so i'm definitely voting and

28:17

i'm trying to decide between voting for

28:20

doctor oz

28:22

jon benjamin what roles as feature to play

28:24

the other question of look at is what does that speech

28:26

in that and abroad or message due to turn

28:29

out more people who voted for joe biden

28:31

and twenty twenty who would otherwise sit at these midterms

28:33

out of complacency or

28:35

lack of political get like that's that

28:37

is how to think about any more than persuading a slide

28:40

narrow swaths of another those those voters

28:43

are going to matter but we really does have to

28:45

keep people in our can't more than

28:47

take people who voted for trump and move them

28:49

to worship in order to called helsinki this

28:51

yeah so that i completely agree with i

28:54

also agree that the with

28:57

general strategy making

28:59

the twenty twenty two midterms a referendum on republican

29:01

extremists and i think that's correct i

29:04

think that the headlines out

29:06

of that speech because the media

29:08

is annoying but also predictable is

29:11

like you know biden draw a line in the sand

29:13

it's it's you know biden vs

29:15

mega and the node the his dark

29:17

brand and in all apple sets i would

29:20

in a democratic message if i was wearing a democratic

29:22

campaign i do think i would

29:24

try to separate we talked with this before the speech

29:26

sort of separate mega from

29:29

republicans were at large i think that's useful

29:31

but you heard by try to do that in the

29:33

in he did do that in the clip that we played

29:35

he specifically said not all republicans

29:38

are mag republicans i , it

29:40

would help to be more specific

29:43

and talk about mag about politician's so

29:45

that it's clear you're not trying

29:47

to talk about voters

29:50

or guess what voters might do are

29:52

there a whole bunch of people in this

29:54

country who are part of the mag a movement

29:57

some of them stormed the fuck and capital and every six

29:59

yeah absolutely but

30:01

if you're politician if you're running in one

30:03

of these races and you are trying to

30:06

get voters to choose

30:08

between you

30:10

and america politician you want to

30:12

focus all of your attacks possible

30:14

on the politician themselves

30:17

and to the extent that you're talking about

30:20

republican extremists m or maggot extremism

30:22

you want to be i think as specific as

30:25

possible about how that extremism

30:27

is going to affect your life

30:30

and and you were just saying that right so you have to be explicit

30:33

about the abortion bans explicit

30:35

about the fact that they over want to overturn elections

30:37

explicit about the fact that they're going

30:39

to privatize social security

30:42

so all the things all the freedoms

30:44

that they're going to take away all the policies that

30:46

they're going to put into place all the vote that they've taken

30:48

in the past you have to be extremely specific

30:51

about what they are for people and

30:53

get that message out and i'm just saying this because

30:55

like having having talked to all these voters

30:58

for , for the wilderness like i

31:00

was struck by so these were all biden

31:02

voters right but they haven't made up their minds these were not

31:04

people who voted for donald trump and twenty twenty

31:06

this is part of our coalition and

31:09

i'm there was never was lotta love for the republican

31:11

party from these people and these

31:13

people of them thought that the republicans are pretty extreme

31:16

there was a lot of discuss with politics

31:18

a lot of disappointment about politics and

31:20

a lot of a feeling about democrats

31:23

in general though it's funny because we're about to talk to

31:25

fetterman and they all in pen in pittsburgh

31:27

they all loved sediment but what the

31:29

people who are making up their minds not just about

31:31

whether vote for democrats versus republicans but

31:33

whether to vote at all wanted

31:35

to know what a democrat's

31:37

gonna do for me what is it that republican

31:40

the republican candidate is going to do that that

31:42

that republican candidates stand for that is so

31:44

bad i don't really pay much attention

31:46

to the news i do feel i politics

31:48

is very divisive in everyone's yelling at each other

31:51

in the republicans seem kind of crazy but like i

31:53

don't know why do i need to go vote at all so

31:55

it is a i'm not saying that the white house

31:57

could have solved that athletes in speeds

32:00

but you're right most of the vote is probably did

32:02

not watch but i wonder as

32:04

we move forward and forward democratic

32:06

and it's craft thrown message just like

32:09

how specific they have to be and like here's

32:11

the politician here's the bad things are going to do to

32:13

you and here's what i'm going to do instead

32:16

though two points on us yeah i agree

32:19

with the general first year ice i think the

32:21

even if i'd had said exactly what

32:24

you wanted him to say like was super specific

32:26

like repeated that distinction one hundred times

32:29

crackers with lox ninety five percent the same

32:31

agree

32:32

the republican sort of the knife represent the same sex

32:34

but the to voice your wine

32:37

your mileage may vary i'd

32:39

for the when a white independence hall blood

32:41

read on for your speech wastes

32:44

buys what is true

32:46

and important is

32:49

controversy and conflict or would drive conversation

32:51

in this mediate

32:53

most divine speeches or other controversial

32:55

nor contain a lot of conflict and and therefore

32:57

they each have driven verbal conversation here we are

32:59

one week later talking

33:02

about a biden speech delivered

33:04

on yes was in front i was on the thursday

33:06

before labor day

33:08

anyways for his efforts

33:10

were and so he achieves on thing is that he

33:12

is dominating the conversation

33:14

and it always comes with downside because of your

33:16

recommendation there are two sides of it northern people preferred

33:19

the second thing is not to get back on my usual

33:21

posted here but is this is just

33:23

like

33:24

they they won millions argument for

33:26

why democrats are it's such a disadvantage

33:28

when they rely on the traditional

33:31

political media to get their message out because of course

33:34

you're gonna have reporters you feel

33:36

a need to just both sides

33:39

the shit out of it you have one of the to

33:41

cable networks you arrogant lives in the middle of an identity

33:43

crisis where they're trying to appeal to billionaire

33:46

fox news feeling board members of the new companies

33:48

and it's going to be

33:51

stupid and that

33:52

and we andy you had network you know

33:55

the disney corporation comcast

33:57

deciding whether to show the speech to

33:59

their audiences it's a were in the hands

34:01

of this corporate media that's it's republic

34:03

is also whether challenge to the may have as other apparatus

34:05

to get their message outs and it is like

34:08

a challenge for the white house you're going forward is

34:10

are they taking the corvette message and finding

34:13

ways to get it in front

34:15

of their viewers in ways that don't depend

34:17

don't cnn right and so that's so that's

34:19

always what is hard about this adds

34:21

like annoyed they just it's everything

34:24

religious it's all confirmation bias me with

34:26

every every new story or right on that issue by it

34:28

stood like this was i think a pretty good example

34:30

of one when you know he'd the present goes

34:32

out gives a speech

34:34

down a existential threat to our democracy

34:37

and then you have people having optics arguments

34:39

about the use of marine guards i hold her later

34:41

died or novels just so

34:43

i i'm a i'm all set with that know

34:47

what i'm saying for us and this is

34:49

the point you're making to are agreeing here is

34:51

that like we as messengers have

34:53

to remember not to be lazy about the message and just

34:56

a shorthand it as like oh yeah

34:58

obviously republicans are bad and crazy an extreme

35:00

like and if i were joe biden you know like

35:03

you do an event where he can talk

35:05

about how a seniors are going to pay less for

35:07

prescription drugs for the first because medicare is going to negotiate

35:09

a going to be able to negotiate directly with go with a

35:12

drug companies for the first time meanwhile

35:14

a blake masters in a bunch of republican candidates

35:17

want to privatize social security and medicare

35:19

completely right there's a choice you

35:21

go to a one of the states where some

35:23

of the worst abortion bans are taking

35:25

place and you highlight those

35:27

bands you highlight the candidates who are behind those bands you know

35:29

like i think you have to and i'm sure the white

35:32

house is going to do this another democratic candidates are do this but

35:34

because we live in this this

35:37

media environment which is both noisy

35:39

and both sides the you really gotta

35:41

be specific about the examples of the extremism

35:44

and who the bad guys are

35:47

here which here the maga politicians

35:49

and donald trump himself and so and think that

35:51

and that and that takes a lot more work in this media

35:53

environment is the only issue as you

35:55

wind very pedantic point

35:58

there's this reuters prevention the build

36:00

it out make america great again

36:02

republicans and do not do

36:04

that democrats

36:06

they mega thread you not repeat your

36:08

opponent's chosen frantic love he likes

36:10

bud light referring to middleweight

36:12

his teeth great less feeling that i went do not do that

36:14

dress just and it gets it aca it's

36:17

it's it's telling voters and telling voters who may

36:19

have voted for trump and sixty and then

36:21

came over to biden right or voters who voted

36:23

for the first time around the fence like mega

36:26

politicians they don't fucking care about you

36:28

again there's there is no one who

36:30

has more contempt for their own voters

36:33

than donald trump and his mag a politician

36:35

allies they don't care for

36:37

them they don't help them speak don't

36:39

pass anything to improve their lives

36:42

they do not like them and i think you'd have to try to

36:44

separate those voters

36:46

from the politicians who claim to represent

36:48

them but constantly screw them over this

36:51

like to read a screw over the rest of the them

36:54

or it when we come back we will talk

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how you feeling and

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now and how's your recovery go i'm

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feeling really great and that the truth iran

40:08

has been feeling really great cause

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i had for quite awhile and live

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in my currently on a normal life i'm

40:17

watching miles and miles every day i'm

40:19

going to the grocery store i'm picking up

40:21

my kids at their activities going

40:25

out with my wife i am driving

40:27

everywhere so that that the truth is

40:29

that nine hundred ninety nine out

40:31

of a thousand people in a would have

40:33

no idea that i just had a stroke

40:35

and because i'm living a perfectly

40:37

normal now are you

40:39

have a doctor oz united

40:42

being a his sister

40:45

situations acting situations acting way

40:47

that i don't believe or any doctor should

40:50

be where they're kind of trying to market make

40:52

fun of somebody that just your had a stroke and

40:54

and also i think that's a very very risky

40:57

bet on here in in pennsylvania

40:59

because like go around and i asked me was like hey

41:01

who's had a major health challenge

41:04

in their lives are they have friends and

41:06

loved ones that have one mostly

41:09

most williams and of coming up and i'm like oh

41:11

i hope you don't have a doctor your life

41:15

locking it in making fun of of

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your situation or but i do

41:19

i have a doctor in my life doing chaffetz

41:22

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41:27

, assess assess no one was like

41:29

had a doctor and they're like you said yesterday

41:31

that you're looking forward to debating doctor oz

41:33

his campaign responded this morning and said

41:35

you're lying you won't say where and when

41:38

you want to settle this here it

41:40

it's it's just so funny is that a we've always

41:43

said from the beginning good that we're we're gonna have

41:45

a debate and it's just a matter of

41:47

working out through some of the the the

41:49

technical issues as well too because that's the true amri

41:52

been very transparent about that the entire the

41:55

entire time that sometimes i may

41:57

dot tightness something or because

41:59

i have some audits

41:59

honestly i'm not know the truth i'm

42:02

n when i'm able to make sure i know exactly

42:04

what's heard , what we're we're talking

42:06

about what's are thrilled

42:09

to be able to talk about these issues and i really think

42:11

it's a lot of issues he has that i don't think he

42:13

wants to talk about though

42:15

we're we're gonna have a debate we've already

42:17

acknowledged that l ways and

42:19

year after in enter the meltdown

42:22

after the crudity a gay

42:24

kind of thing he's been a thrilling

42:26

about you know debate debate debate

42:29

even know that we all know that we're gonna have a

42:31

debate and that's that's really the true

42:33

the you think it's fair

42:35

you'll have something of a home field advantage

42:38

because the debate will take place in pennsylvania

42:40

yeah that sounds good to see the

42:43

years a guy that has then

42:45

homes they've never had a home ever

42:47

in pennsylvania and now

42:49

it's just really are a commuter

42:52

he's a commuter commuter

42:55

, know and like i'd love to see what is easy

42:59

ah you know our

43:01

his records because i'm sure he's not

43:03

spending a whole a time at a time real

43:06

house here in pennsylvania

43:08

it's actually not under it's

43:11

under construction but the

43:13

the truth the truth is there is is that the

43:16

doctor oz has the really

43:20

is gonna a tough a tough chain

43:22

a challenge right now to in that is

43:24

to bring mega mad into

43:27

the into the full because

43:29

you everywhere i go across and that's when

43:31

i run into to a lot of republicans

43:34

said she'd come up to say hi and not that

43:36

and say hey you know like i'm a

43:39

republican i'm gonna vote for you know because no

43:42

a doctor obvious a fraud or he's

43:44

he's a weirdo some

43:46

here here understand my life am

43:48

i bought one say thank you but it's it's

43:51

it's it's is really the that the truth

43:53

and then they're sitting here he there's

43:55

supporters and then there's voters

43:57

here and i have never genuinely

43:59

and mattress trashing i'm not

44:01

talking trash oh i have

44:03

not run into any when they come up to me

44:06

and says you know it's after as the best he

44:08

can is i've ever met my life ah

44:10

my dream job to vote for him you

44:12

know i haven't everywhere

44:15

ah so the people that are gonna vote for him

44:17

are doing abuse because they have an hour after

44:19

his name they're not anyone

44:21

really believe that he's the kind of person to

44:24

to the rep represents

44:26

our country

44:28

so i have to ask what

44:30

was your reaction when you first saw

44:32

the created a video

44:34

like hey do you know there

44:37

, no place called a wagner's you

44:39

know and and

44:42

and another this thing was like what the hell's

44:44

the crudity as i possibly unsettling

44:46

a stroke assault your gums your that

44:49

i hear that hear child and

44:51

hear that had asked somebody who's like what

44:54

what's that word and in the earth someone

44:56

on the stuff that it's called a crew to take any

44:58

tested it analysis than

45:01

i i googled it and i

45:03

blink once i got an arm

45:05

and i , laughed

45:08

and laughed like well you know you

45:10

learn everything in every election included

45:12

say is one of them then what's

45:14

really funny to is that i

45:17

tell people it's a joke or that i

45:19

killed people it sometimes after the stroke i

45:21

will most you words together they really don't

45:23

exist then i forgot draws

45:25

the the same venue for he he oh he

45:27

heard of wegmans and is actually in

45:29

a red a red years so he saw that

45:31

renders you know as a result three

45:33

does the same thing

45:36

you know the ask infinitum free

45:38

transparent that they're going to try

45:41

to get their mojo back by going hard

45:43

negative on you particularly on crimes they

45:45

attacked you for hiring to people who are wrongly

45:47

convicted of murder it's true

45:49

crime has been there republicans clinical

45:52

trump issue of the last couple bucks and cycles how

45:54

do you plan on fighting back

45:57

i said as he other than

45:59

that how we want exact permit is really

46:01

the a are are

46:03

a record on on crime here

46:06

as as mayor for for for china

46:08

rooms here in pennsylvania i

46:13

stop i thought the

46:15

gun violence a death a for five

46:17

and a half years during the time in that has never been

46:20

accomplished before or since then after

46:23

i became lieutenant governor and that

46:25

was done by partnering with the police

46:27

and partnering with the community

46:30

and we developed something very successful

46:32

i'm and i'm actually proud of it you know

46:35

and as something a doctor oz it is gucci

46:37

loafers has any idea of

46:39

what crime is except when you're talking about some

46:41

of his associates or or

46:44

ah those kind of people like here's

46:46

a guy that is pro is

46:48

pro audience rushes

46:50

an inch from january six but

46:52

here's a guy now that is bashing as

46:54

for as giving pardon for people

46:57

that have some stupid we charge is as

46:59

well too and they are

47:01

trying to scare mondor and they're

47:03

lying i mean that's really all they have and

47:05

the two people early and then it's warrant the

47:08

people that roundly round me

47:10

believe

47:11

that is it is a nice torment

47:14

lost almost three decades and decades

47:16

of their life

47:17

there's something that the i have not done and

47:20

as a result i made making sure

47:22

they're getting out was one of the most

47:24

important things i've ever done in my career

47:27

and we got them out and i wanted us

47:29

to hire them because they're story

47:31

is important because that's really the truth

47:33

about second chances and that's the

47:35

talk about our criminal justice system

47:38

to

47:38

the now with those two men the

47:41

warden the warden

47:42

then

47:44

the men have no boom

47:46

you're know i'd hope they live next

47:48

to me i'm going to take them out to dinner

47:51

and treat them after they get out they

47:54

said they are the to finest man in

47:56

the entire d o sea right now and

48:00

everyone unanimously agree about and

48:02

and doctor oz chose to kind of

48:04

horton

48:05

the kind of work in the ones

48:07

and i'm not a

48:10

as it was never

48:11

i i absolutely understood

48:14

used a years ago that said

48:16

that was going to be weaponized and intercourse

48:18

doctor oz the i've chosen to do that

48:20

any of course i think he's gonna blow

48:23

back on that it's worth it

48:25

earlier this year dot your i's ran a digital

48:28

ad against year with a bomb you

48:30

have made ah legalization of marijuana

48:32

a central part i was young i

48:35

was , with s

48:38

that's the thing as a critics try to played

48:40

me as gifts or cooley or

48:43

that i'm just or stoner and of course

48:45

i don't use marijuana and

48:48

would produce you be able to do it legally

48:51

adults , be able to do it as

48:53

adults and that's and freedom thing as well

48:55

too a south dakota

48:58

south dakota can both

49:00

democratically to say yes let's do it

49:02

then you know really how controversial really

49:05

is that ah for anybody know

49:07

in in one of the red state in the country is

49:09

is is on board with it and

49:11

again i ran on that because i know

49:14

it's to be the true then i run

49:16

on for a lot of different issues one to

49:18

stop people galea having their lives

49:20

ruined by a charge i'm

49:22

also talking about the revenue the i'd rather

49:24

have a cancer pennsylvania treasury

49:26

then the cartels and i would

49:28

want to make sure that it's now a

49:31

pure fraud up to a

49:33

instead of god knows what you know where it is

49:35

and and where it comes from

49:37

dot your i's was recently caught on a hot might

49:39

calling abortion murder is now trying

49:41

to say that he doesn't want to criminalize all abortion

49:44

what would you know what it voters know about

49:46

doctor as his position

49:49

what does need to understand the doctor oz

49:51

doesn't know what he really thinks the doctor

49:53

on since changed the different a position

49:55

or everywhere he is and

49:58

but the truth isn't the doctor oz would

50:00

vote down and he is

50:02

believed that the choice for women

50:04

belong with him not not

50:06

not women in pennsylvania and in the

50:08

nation as well too and i have

50:10

been my entire career standing

50:13

with and fighting for abortion rights

50:15

it's a basic it's a basic very

50:17

just simple choice as well the

50:20

dot a doctor oz whole point

50:22

to make sure that it's ending and

50:24

i am going to spend my career fighting

50:27

to make sure that it for is there because

50:29

it it was already a settled

50:32

issue for over fifty years

50:34

and it's absolutely bizarre to me the

50:37

that a man is willing

50:39

to say one thing

50:41

depending on what audiences

50:43

in front of people don't realize

50:45

that all he does is why and

50:47

how can you believe truly truly and

50:50

i'm not saying this out to be a part

50:52

is it how do you believe anything out of any

50:54

person that was willing to sell

50:56

magic diet pills pills on

50:58

tv so much that he

51:00

was five five million dollars

51:03

having to pay as a result in is

51:05

a settlement to you know

51:07

that that you know that it i make a joke

51:09

about a better get the reference joe

51:11

issues you know where he like high

51:13

incidence of the end of the lie and

51:15

it's like as the line at how do we know doctor

51:17

oz lines about anything well he thought

51:20

it so

51:22

so i recently sat down

51:24

with they are a focus group of biden voters

51:26

in pittsburgh and they're disgusted

51:28

with politics they don't follow it closely they

51:30

don't know if they're gonna vote november they

51:33

are they seem to like you seem to not

51:35

love doctor oz but they're still not

51:37

sure they were going to vote like how do

51:39

you reach voters like that and what do you say

51:41

in this in this homestretch

51:44

i'm just gonna try to reach out to them by just

51:46

being who i am and running on what i really believe

51:48

in and running on the right side of all

51:50

these issues and i've

51:52

always you want people to understand

51:55

that we understand the

51:57

kind of lives that you have a

51:59

i

51:59

fan when pennsylvania really

52:02

is about

52:03

i spent my career working

52:05

here the to make a community

52:07

especially when my braddock that is is facing some

52:09

of the most severe chest challenges in

52:11

any community has your in pennsylvania versus

52:14

if you genuinely believe i said to

52:16

having an individual that that has

52:18

the attend gigantic mansions i'm

52:21

and different counties are all over

52:23

your really not one in pennsylvania of

52:25

that fan for anything

52:28

and has made a career of lying

52:30

on television i i

52:33

just believe itself evidence or that you

52:35

have somebody that is unfit to the

52:37

be in the senate that's

52:39

really that's really a choice there

52:42

from afar

52:43

your campaign feels very different

52:46

than the typical democratic campaign to feels more

52:48

fun more aggressive more

52:50

bold how about

52:52

working wouldn't you know how are you making that happiness

52:54

of is at the right assessment of your campaign

52:57

well i i believe

52:59

that were running on the right side of of the truth

53:01

to illness that as ano

53:04

arguing things like that minimum wage

53:06

or the union way of life or

53:10

your healthcare especially my person situation

53:13

or really personally i'm a their

53:15

makes it easy but we also want to be fine

53:17

too because i often

53:19

doctor oz gives us the gift

53:21

of been adjusted rise to the provide

53:23

us with ample my

53:26

book materials as to work with to

53:28

then we'd never run like an awful kind

53:30

of of campaign is

53:34

is it's just like warning elsa dr

53:36

elsa dr lives in in

53:38

a gigantic mansion in in new jersey

53:40

that he lives in is it wasn't me saying

53:42

that that was p a people magazine

53:45

that hasn't come on and say this

53:47

and i didn't fill him you

53:50

be a film and i'm undercover a

53:53

watching him doing or grocery store they're

53:55

talking about prudently in

53:57

wages he actually be there slap

54:00

down with like you know what that laws

54:03

that's good though i look

54:05

at number one out on the fifth

54:07

the subsequent the curio and we

54:09

work we've never run i'm a nasty or

54:11

be kind of campaign through we

54:14

only talked about the truth and

54:16

you know i have you ever wondered what was doctor

54:18

oz his position on incest you

54:21

know i didn't i didn't make of lies about that

54:23

it's like a way to turns out there is there

54:25

is a an

54:27

interview him pointing out that

54:30

insists okay insists okay the

54:32

brakes on the upper citizens but everything

54:35

else except

54:37

, as i can't

54:39

make it up pointing out

54:42

who he is and what his record

54:44

it is is not mean

54:46

and it's not marked as you be a

54:48

fear mongering the way he has chosen

54:51

to attack me or even very very personally

54:53

about my account it's

54:56

really just talking about yeah who you

54:58

really expect

55:00

finally an least important

55:02

ways or the nfl season starts tonight

55:04

as i understand that you're a huge steeler sense

55:07

of it you once made jake tapper we're and eagles

55:09

masks arm so two questions how

55:12

you feeling about the steelers but also

55:14

in order to win if i do my electoral

55:16

math correctly you need a lot of eagles voters

55:19

to turn out feel sorry get some sort of peace offering

55:21

are you going to square the circle there and

55:23

i've always i've always

55:26

i've always run on the truth here in pennsylvania

55:28

one she's is better than while

55:30

while i also know

55:32

that the steelers is the best

55:35

team you know i'm and

55:37

you know what i think voters really understand

55:39

the true too so and

55:42

and that's that's that's the truth your theory

55:45

that these are very important issue here especially

55:47

in western pennsylvania ave

55:50

the steelers the doctor are doesn't

55:52

even understand any of em i can't even imagine

55:55

what you would come down on other than saying i

55:57

sure hope

55:58

the the

56:01

windsor whatever you just

56:03

doesn't have any idea what they're talking about i'm

56:06

sure he breeds for the seagulls ssssss

56:08

just the opposite sitting on his a single part

56:11

of the last ah but

56:13

, that that's that's the truth

56:15

and when truth and think about pennsylvania

56:17

you think about you know i mean the

56:20

night lights know that is actually

56:22

sacred here in in in pennsylvania of

56:25

i don't think a single person you

56:27

know in in the bleachers watching

56:29

you know high school football you're in in

56:31

in pennsylvania is thinking about i

56:34

really think that draws really can relate to the

56:36

kind of life and sinker that beats me

56:39

and that's the kind of campaign that we're going to continue

56:41

to run for the next sixty days is talking about

56:43

the truth and talking about running on

56:45

our record especially like crime especially

56:48

where he believes he can weaponize my

56:51

my record and record and about that

56:54

later i feel really good enough the kind

56:56

of campaign we're going to concede run

56:58

that is good to hear or it's good to have you

57:00

here thank you so much for the time we appreciate it

57:02

i'm john fetterman take care

57:05

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57:07

big big fans and thank you for

57:09

the work with you all due to the window hopefully

57:11

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57:13

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