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Joining me today is Leah Donella. She's
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the supervising editor at NPR's Code
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Switch. Hey, Leah. Hey, Linda. Welcome
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back to the show. We're always delighted to have you. Books
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we love as many of our listeners hopefully
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know is NPR's sortable list of
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book recommendations from real people
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inside and outside NPR.
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And today we've arrived, so to speak, at
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stories about places around the
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world. Leah, what is the first recommendation
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that you brought?
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My first recommendation is a book called Chilean
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Poet, a novel, and it's
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by Alejandro Zambra.
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All right, tell me a little bit about Chilean
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poet. Okay, so the story follows
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this guy. He starts out as a teenager,
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a young guy named Gonzalo, and
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it kind of travels with him throughout his
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life. It takes place in Santiago,
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and Gonzalo is kind
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of, as many of us are, trying to figure
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out who he is, what he wants to do with his life.
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And as a young man, he kind of
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reconnects a romance with his high school
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girlfriend and winds up
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being the stepfather to her young child.
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And so as he's kind of
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floating through his 20s, figuring out what that's going
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to mean and what he wants to do, he's also figuring
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out what it means to be, I mean,
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the way he kind of described it as sort of a dad,
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but not really, in this role that doesn't
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have a huge amount of good
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representations in pop culture
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and media. So he's figuring
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that out. And the book is really funny, it's really
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sweet, and kind of an offbeat
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family story.
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Yeah. How did you find this book? I
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think it honestly was just in a pile of books
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that got sent to NPR. And
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I had been interested because I don't think, I can't
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remember recently having read a book by a
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Chilean author before, so I just thought, let
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me see what this is like. And then within the first
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few pages, I knew it was going to be a good one. Absolutely,
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absolutely. All right, so that is Chilean poet,
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a novel by Alejandro Zombre. All
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right, tell me about your second pick. Okay,
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this one is called America Made Me a Black
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Man, a memoir. It's
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by Boya Jafarra, who
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is an
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author from Somalia. So
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this is a memoir about Boya's
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journey basically from Somalia to the United
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States and what happened when he got
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to a suburb of Boston. And
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it's interesting because before he came
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to the US, he had seen tons
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of movies and TV shows
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about what the US was going to be like and heard
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kind of this myth
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of the US. So he really thought that it was
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going to be this kind of pair of books.
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paradise type place, not quite
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like the streets are paved with gold, but very
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much he thought it would be almost heaven. That's
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the way it was described to him growing up.
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And so when he got to the US,
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he
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at first was really kind
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of absorbed in that fantasy and kind
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of holding on to that perception.
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But he also was experiencing
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these microaggressions and different acts of outright
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racism and anti-blackness. And
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so that kind of began to chip away at
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his idea of what
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the US was. And he was in a very, very
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white suburb where there
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weren't a lot of other people who looked
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like him.
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The book is kind of about his process
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of understanding what it would mean to be black
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in this place that he thought was going to be paradise
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and was a paradise for other
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people.
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And then also eventually his finding community
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and other black people and realizing that that
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was one of the things that was going to help get
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him through this trauma
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of all the racism that he was experiencing. I'm
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so very glad that we included
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this book in this episode because, you
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know, around the world includes what
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is the place that you live look like through the
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eyes of somebody who wasn't born here? Oh,
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totally. I mean, it reads a bit like
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a travel memoir, which it in
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a way is for him. You do start
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seeing things in a totally
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different way, the way you would kind of do research if you were going
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on a trip to a different country. Mm-hmm.
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All right. So that is called America
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Made Me a Black Man,
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a memoir by Boya Farah.
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All right, Leah, what is your third pick?
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So the third pick is called Mother of Strangers.
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This one is also a novel. And it
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takes place in the city of Jaffa, which
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is now one of the oldest parts of Tel Aviv. It
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follows the main character who
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is a 15-year-old named Subi
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and follows kind of his story
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of becoming infatuated with
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and falling in love with a girl
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who is in a
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a couple neighborhoods over. But then it's
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also kind of set alongside the process
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of this city kind of getting
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totally changed and many
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parts of it destroyed in the process of
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all of the political and
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social changes that are happening when
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it takes place. Yeah, what
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grabbed you about this one the most? Yeah,
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I mean, I think one of the things that was really interesting
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was that the city of Jaffa was
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written
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almost like a character in the book. And
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so every scene,
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every place was described
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really in intricate detail. And
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the author does a really nice job, I think, of showing
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you why it matters where you are in this city. So
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at one point early on in the book, this main character,
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who is usually at sea
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level for his work and where
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he lives, he goes to this place that's
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pretty high up in altitude for
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a job that he's doing, and he's able to see the city
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from a different vantage point. And
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he just has this kind of realization where he's like,
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oh, your
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life would be so different if you were looking
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at it from this different place physically. And
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I was reading later that the author also has
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a background as an architect. So I think you can
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really see that come out in this story too, that the
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way she's thinking about how things
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are constructed physically is detailed
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really beautifully in the book. All right, again,
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so that's Mother of Strangers by
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Suad Amiri. And
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if you want to discover even more books NPR
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loves, visit npr.org slash
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bestbooks. That brings us to the end of
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this
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episode. Thank you for being here, Leah. Thank
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you so much for having me. And of course, thank you
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for listening to Pop Culture Happy Hour from NPR.
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This episode is produced by Ramel Wood and Mike
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Katzeff and edited by Jessica Reidy. The
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Books We Love team is Beth Novy, Natalie
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Escobar, Maureen Powell, and Megan Collins
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Sullivan. Hello, Come In provides
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our theme music. I'm Linda Holmes, and we'll
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see you all tomorrow.
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