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of the Planet of the Apes

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swings us right back into the franchise

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that's nearly sixty years in the making.

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This new movie is sad long after

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the previous instalment and focuses on an

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extraordinary chimpanzee who's clan. It's enslaved by

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a ruthless ape king, but the spirit

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of any surfaces revolutionary character Caesar still

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looms large or of the film for

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better and maybe for worse. I'm Asia

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Harris and today we're talking about

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Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes

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on how put your happy Hour from

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Npr. Try to me today as

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well and long. She's the cohosts of

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and Cares Daily Economics podcast The Indicator

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from Planet Money while Come Back Whalen

1:01

hello The Yeah! Also with us is

1:03

Jordan Morris. He's a podcast or and

1:05

his upcoming graphic novel Youth Group is

1:07

available for preorder now Lol Come back

1:09

to you to Jordan. Hi! It's great

1:11

to be here. I'm glad we could all be

1:13

here together. Paul gather together strung together to strong.

1:15

Yeah. It

1:18

is great to have you been here

1:20

as well. Well Kingdom of the One

1:22

of the Apes takes place hundreds of

1:24

years after the death of Caesar, the

1:26

rebellious a player and main protagonists from

1:28

the most recent trilogy, a Planet of

1:30

the Apes movies. He was portrayed by

1:32

Andy Serkis in those films, but did

1:34

not return for this one. Now, there

1:36

has been a power shift within the

1:38

Circle of Life. The deadly Simeon virus

1:41

introduced in the previous films has severely

1:43

weekend and nearly decimated the entire human

1:45

population. While. Apes are now thriving

1:47

as the dominant and more highly

1:49

intelligent species are antique. Plays Noah,

1:51

a chimpanzee whose entire clan is

1:53

suddenly attacked and enslaved by a

1:55

mercenary a king name's proximate Caesar.

1:57

He's played by Kevin Durant. Set

2:00

out to get them back and along the

2:02

way teams up with a sage during a

2:04

tan Name's Rock I played by Peter make

2:06

him and a strange scavenging human needs May

2:08

who's played by Freya Alan. See. Them

2:10

to the Plan of the Apes was

2:12

directed by Was Ball who also directed

2:15

the Maze Runner trilogy and you can

2:17

catch it in theaters now what way

2:19

when I want to start with you

2:21

I know this movie has been sort

2:23

of or positions by the filmmakers as

2:25

being kind of a sequel but not

2:28

they wanted to sort of seats the

2:30

spirit of the last three films especially

2:32

with Caesar alive that this is like

2:34

a totally new cast is very different.

2:36

story had a display for you you

2:38

know as is a visuals. Were amazing.

2:41

It looks spectacular. I think the

2:43

special effects are amazing. I really

2:45

like the world building and away

2:47

be imagined these like rotting overgrown

2:49

human structures and I liked how

2:52

you know the filmmakers, imagine how

2:54

the apes might have organize themselves

2:56

in you know the proceedings hundreds

2:58

of years since Caesar and you

3:00

know you've got the clan the

3:02

protagonists belongs to with culture is

3:05

built around raising ego defend cool.

3:07

They've got these very fashionable across

3:09

body sling bags. Which I was

3:11

admiring that it seems that free

3:13

passage. Of

3:16

and ask beautiful gowns of you

3:18

know My biggest complaint is that

3:20

the main character know lot with

3:22

very passive to me anything you

3:24

know Caesar he looms over the

3:27

movie and that I keep thinking

3:29

about what a fabulous character Caesar

3:31

was. He went on such an

3:33

interesting complex journey and those for

3:35

three films and so I'm looking

3:37

for know where the protagonist in

3:40

this. Movie to do the same

3:42

and I just found him to

3:44

be much more reactive then pro

3:46

active like stuff happens to him

3:48

and I never got the sense

3:50

that he had any big moments

3:52

of learning or that he went

3:54

through a significant journey that was

3:56

like worth rendering on film. he

3:58

kind of there are that is

4:00

Rudy team and ends as like

4:02

a slightly less broody team and

4:04

I I needed more like a

4:06

transformation. So here I think about

4:08

how much I enjoy the preceding

4:10

threesomes and those films. I felt

4:12

like. Were. Way better than they

4:15

had any reason to be. You know they

4:17

are surprised. On the upside, this movie. Felt.

4:19

Like. What we all expected those

4:22

first three to be, You know to me like

4:24

a little bit more wrote a little bit. More.

4:27

Flat on the page and so it felt like

4:29

kind of like gob. Regression. To

4:31

the mean you know to pull a term

4:33

from statistics you know that were like regressing

4:35

six Kind of like the Okay vs and

4:37

of what this franchises I have not heard

4:39

that phrase cents a piece that my school

4:41

so think you are going up. With

4:46

this of s te analogies why not? That

4:49

more fun the tone of your boxes agency. And

4:52

even it is. It is tricky, right?

4:54

because his character is positioned as. Not

4:57

knowing anything about the outside world really

4:59

his his whole clan, him and sort

5:01

of secluded from back and that makes

5:03

it very tricky. When you have

5:05

someone who you want to say he's dumb,

5:07

that he's very naive and then we need

5:10

that journey to be. I think a little

5:12

bit more plotted in a way that has

5:14

is here but Jordan in out love with

5:16

this will. Be doing for you to.

5:18

Yeah so I I grew will in

5:21

which obviously like look spectacular of the

5:23

fashion is on point. Where was the

5:25

I Met gala? That's the way I

5:27

felt about this movie, like I felt

5:30

about the other rebooted eight movies that

5:32

have come along the past few years.

5:34

It's like. I enjoyed it.

5:36

I had a fun time with left my

5:39

brain on the way home from the theater.

5:41

Likes: I think the food analogy is like

5:43

nachos at a bar right light side like

5:45

not years at a bar. Someone's like let's

5:48

get much shows on Good sure, why not.

5:50

This will be fun. You eat them for.

5:52

you know you're not like thinking about the

5:54

bar nachos a couple days later right? Like

5:56

it's it's It's fun in the moments, but

5:59

not much else. Yeah, I admire the

6:01

test. If you're looking for kind of a

6:03

big splashy movie to see in a really

6:05

nice movie theater, I think you know this

6:07

is a good call. I did admire some

6:09

of the performances, but I think you could

6:11

probably talk about later. There's some really good

6:13

performances, year by some kind of unexpected actors,

6:15

but yeah, it's a fluffy movie that is.

6:17

you know, maybe a little too long. The

6:19

satellite similar subplots in there. he of them

6:21

go somewhere, some of them doubts. It's a

6:23

nice forgettable time. Yes I have to agree

6:25

with the too long buried ice in our

6:28

i looked at my eyes, my watch for

6:30

the first time and I realize that there

6:32

was still and or and a half left.

6:34

That list to had a half hours. Or

6:37

isn't feeling samples It's I think of as

6:39

a little cooler and this felt that

6:41

both of you were and I say

6:43

this as someone who is on their

6:45

record as having hated franchises but I did.

6:47

It's really enjoy the last three songs

6:49

and like Whalen said they were better

6:51

than they had any right to be. and

6:54

I think there is part of that

6:56

element of surprise or like a low

6:58

expectations that I think really made us

7:00

Felons Easy to enjoy. and of course Andy.

7:02

Serkis was just really, really. Fantastic

7:04

in the stones and they took a journey

7:06

and away and I have nots. We visited

7:09

them since they originally. each of them originally

7:11

came out so maybe if I went back

7:13

I would not feel as high on them

7:15

by do think. Unfortunately what the some said

7:17

was they kind of set a standard that

7:20

this one can't quite meets. This felt. To

7:22

me sort of Led screen. Writing one a one

7:24

and like the worst way possible when

7:26

I could see every single plot point,

7:28

every placement of let's Oh there's Eagles

7:30

and at one point he says, well,

7:32

i don't sing. The eagles are because my father

7:34

was the one who were as an artist and. I'm

7:36

like well this is gonna come back as and then it

7:38

comes back in the way that like hectares eagle saw that

7:41

today. And

7:43

it's like you know I like. There's

7:45

a reason why it's a formula and

7:48

it's sometimes works but for here like

7:50

for me I just felt everything felt

7:52

very predictable and away and I also

7:54

felt like the themes while they are

7:56

clearly I think relevant and this entire

7:59

franchise has been. Very much you

8:01

know in many ways. Speaking to

8:03

race class issues around.

8:05

Warfare and and those sort. Of things and

8:08

I think like that naturally embedded in

8:10

the France eyes. But at this point

8:12

I feel like if this felt like

8:14

it was kind of retracing some of

8:16

the stance we've already seen. and wow,

8:18

Yes, all these issues are timeless. I'm

8:20

I don't. I think I wanted a

8:22

little bit more adamant that we get

8:24

an odd For me. I think my

8:26

favorite character is probably Rafa who. Will play

8:28

like it or not going to be. He's great!

8:30

He was great. He was bunnies and

8:32

I wanted more at him and. Again

8:35

as another characters. Like as soon as he sat

8:37

up. As like soon, I wonder how more he's gonna be in the

8:39

see. What?

8:42

What are some of the other performances that

8:44

use you are really into? Oh yeah I

8:47

will also shut up Peter Make and I

8:49

think he's great in this and I think

8:51

ah yes, he adds a little comic relief.

8:54

These movies are so serious. These are the

8:56

most dire serious talking monkey movies ever. made.

8:58

A while since I. He

9:01

adds a little bit of lightness. He adds

9:03

a little bit of fun and I think

9:05

I'd really like who they cast in this

9:07

movie. Like peter make an assist a that

9:09

guy from that saying he's a voice actor

9:11

he's working actor like there's a more send

9:13

a goal. Weight. A cast this movie

9:15

which is like. Just. Get Chris

9:17

Pratt to do it. All of you know

9:19

I like that it's not that cast with a

9:21

bunch of celebrities who just you know getting

9:23

a boost for a day, but it's like actual

9:26

actors giving actual performances and I think it's

9:28

it's much better for it and Peter make them

9:30

as it is the best example. I'd want

9:32

to shut up for the Allen the the kind

9:34

of a loan human character. I think she

9:36

does a great job and the characters kind of

9:38

ambiguous. There's a little bit of a is

9:41

she a hero? is she a villain says he

9:43

kind of place both sides and a fun

9:45

way and I think seat she does. A

9:47

good job there and especially like actually

9:49

with a bunch of digital characters is

9:51

really believable. yeah i i six that

9:53

know our our lead. I think the

9:56

problem is just like under written character

9:58

he's just zero guy he's. Just

10:00

naive euro guy who you know

10:02

spoiler alert rises to the occasion

10:04

of any kind of eat any

10:06

meat. Yeah,

10:12

there there are there some other elements. Of the

10:14

big club at the moment that are doing

10:16

way more sophisticated. It is. Say that

10:18

Yes, yeah. I think. I definitely

10:20

agree Jordan that these characters are

10:22

under written as the performers are

10:24

doing a marvelous job I think.

10:26

And these apes are like very

10:28

well animated. They're very emotional. they're

10:30

doing the most. For example, I

10:32

really like Kevin Durant as proximate

10:34

you know and I liked his

10:36

bluster. I like I'm and I

10:38

think that you know thin a

10:41

script perspective think they were trying

10:43

to do like a. Is.

10:45

Killed longer Correct kind of a saying with

10:47

prior mess right where you're supposed to be

10:49

alive. As hey, that proximate was very. Good

10:53

or advance. Red Letter to make that

10:55

read of and you know so you

10:58

like. Okay the the movie is asking

11:00

us to think about what do we

11:02

want this new world order to look

11:05

like an what do these different groups

11:07

of apes want? What did the humans

11:09

want? What did they want in relation

11:12

to each other and there is a

11:14

very needy interesting questions and their supporters

11:16

recruits up a descriptive given that because

11:18

his script is not really set up

11:21

to. Confront us Questions in

11:23

a D Play. That. Limits.

11:26

Kind. Of the ultimate effect of the movie Rise

11:28

of has a feeling of was acting their heart

11:30

out and the. The. script is is

11:32

not their them to meet them because i

11:35

am interested in delving into those questions and

11:37

there's another human character that gets introduced later

11:39

on that i think is supposed to be

11:41

kind of a foil to may or your

11:44

supposed at least kind of feel like they

11:46

are engaged in into to be a philosophy

11:48

around what is the role of humans in

11:51

the and how much should we kind of

11:53

given to the eighth in the power structure

11:55

or a how much should we try to

11:57

rebuild what once was again a fascinating that

12:00

I wish the movie had done literally anything

12:02

with except just walk us up

12:04

to it and then kind of back off in

12:06

this half-hearted way. Yeah. Well, I think like without

12:09

spoiling anything I think by the end of the

12:11

film I felt as though this

12:14

was just one long prologue

12:16

toward what they're trying to actually get

12:18

to and of course these movies are

12:20

set up to be to multiply.

12:22

They don't die, they multiply. And so like

12:25

there will most likely be another one and

12:27

I think the way it ends is that

12:29

it sets everything up in that way. But

12:31

then you have this full two and a half hours

12:33

where it's like wait, so what are we doing here?

12:36

And I'm like, yes I understand

12:38

the world building and the idea of like taking

12:40

your time and I don't need every action movie to

12:42

be just like go go go go go. But I

12:44

also think like this is the type

12:47

of movie that can maybe test people's patience,

12:49

especially since there are so few

12:51

human characters and and

12:53

there are long stretches of not a lot

12:56

of dialogue or just kind of like very

12:58

condensed dialogue. So yeah, it's I

13:00

don't know. It definitely feels like

13:03

a movie that maybe had

13:05

this been more of a series situation.

13:08

We might have gotten a little bit more going

13:10

on with that human versus ape

13:13

question. But instead we get

13:15

like this mythology around Caesar and how

13:17

he's kind of turned into Jesus and

13:19

everyone's sort of twisting his words.

13:22

Like how how did you think about the

13:24

way Caesar really kind of hangs over this

13:26

film in spirit and in like this of

13:28

course like very obvious sort of allegory

13:31

to religion or any sort of deified

13:34

figure. Yeah, I mean it's

13:36

a neat idea and I like that the movie is

13:39

like thinking about that, right? And I think that also

13:41

the recent Dune movie did a great job with some

13:43

of this stuff. It's like how do we use myth?

13:45

How do we use history? How do we use religion

13:47

to motivate people and some people use it for good

13:49

and some people use it for bad? And I think

13:52

that it's nice that the

13:54

movie is thinking about that but it

13:56

doesn't seem to land on anything interesting

13:58

other than like Pretty

14:01

messed up how some people use religion

14:03

for evil, huh? Yeah, they

14:05

end up building a fourth labor camp. Whoops!

14:10

So yeah, maybe if you're like twelve

14:13

and studying some of this stuff in school, this will blow

14:15

your mind. But I think it all is, you know, kind

14:17

of pretty obvious commentary. But

14:20

yeah, I think I

14:22

should say that the Peter Macon character who I think we all

14:24

loved, it's a pretty thankless role.

14:27

He just has to dump this exposition. And that's

14:29

what he's there for. And

14:35

Waylon, we have been really flacking with the

14:37

monkey puns. So thank you. Thank you for

14:40

getting us back on track. I will try

14:43

to say going bananas at some point.

14:45

We're all like that. But

14:47

yeah, he is definitely one

14:49

of the five or six subplots in this movie that just like,

14:51

don't go anywhere. They just kind of cut off and I don't

14:54

know, it's just kind of like satire,

14:57

huh? Right? And

15:01

I'm like, I know! The

15:05

Caesar question is for me a big frustratingly unanswered

15:07

question in this movie because the protagonist, Noah,

15:10

is presented with at least

15:12

two interpretations of Caesar.

15:14

One comes from Raka the orangutan who is like

15:16

Caesar was this like benevolent figure who showed us

15:18

how we can all coexist peacefully and

15:23

then you get Proxima who is maybe

15:27

twisting Caesar's legacy to be about his own

15:29

personal gain and personal power and has built

15:32

this kind of like cult

15:34

or organized religion or whatever you want to

15:36

call it. And as

15:38

a viewer, I want Noah to make

15:40

a choice, right? Or to

15:42

engage in his own learning about Caesar

15:45

to try to discover

15:47

for himself who Caesar was and

15:49

then make a choice about which

15:51

version of Caesar do I follow.

15:54

And instead he's more like this empty

15:56

vessel that characters like poor exposition,

15:58

ape's position, and about Caesar in two

16:01

and then like, does he make a

16:03

choice at the end? I don't know,

16:05

it's a little bit muddled. Yeah, definitely.

16:07

It's somewhere along the line when Proxima Caesar

16:09

was talking, I was just like, oh, so

16:11

you're just King Louis from Jungle Books who

16:13

wants the power of man-fire. Okay,

16:16

sure, let's do this. So

16:19

do we have any last thoughts before we part?

16:21

Any more puns we need to get out? I'm

16:25

trying to work prehensile in there somewhere. I just

16:27

haven't been able to do it. Yeah,

16:31

so it's interesting, I think, that none of us have

16:33

brought up the original Planet of the Apes movies that

16:35

kind of came out in the 60s and 70s. I

16:38

love those as a kid, they're such great

16:40

cable movies. Something that that

16:42

franchise did was it

16:44

got insane. Like, the

16:47

sequels to that movie, I think I

16:49

would describe as cocaine-y. They

16:51

are- Those were in like the 70s, right? Some

16:54

of them, yeah, yeah. They were absolutely

16:56

from the 70s. And

17:00

like, there's a Planet of the Apes sequel where

17:02

mutated humans live under the earth and

17:05

worship an atomic bomb. I

17:07

think that they should go there with these sequels.

17:09

You don't have to do worshiping the atomic bomb,

17:11

but just like, it's silly.

17:13

There's 10 of these things,

17:15

go crazy. Go bananas. Go bananas,

17:18

yes, there we go. We got

17:20

there, the prestige. So yeah, they

17:22

are so serious. They

17:28

are these allegories. And so it's like, I

17:31

don't know, maybe in the next couple

17:33

try and have a little fun. Just go

17:35

crazy. That will be my prescription for the

17:37

next sequels that they are obviously going to

17:39

make. Yeah, yeah. As a fan

17:41

of the Fast and Furious franchise, I'm always gonna

17:43

be on the side of like, just

17:45

get weirder and always possible. Go to

17:48

space, bring people back from the dead.

17:50

Who cares? Yes. Yeah. Well,

17:55

I think we can all say that we, Well,

17:57

some of us enjoyed a little bit more than

17:59

others, but it was a time.. the movies we

18:01

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18:03

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guidelines for cancer.org where millions of

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people come each year to learn

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about how they can better prevent

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cancer. To learn more

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go to cancer.org. And

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now it's time for our favorite segment

20:16

of this week and every week what's

20:18

making us happy? Wayland why don't you

20:21

kick us off? Well, Vanderpump Rules just

20:23

had its season finale and I wanted

20:25

to shout out Brian Moylan who does

20:28

the recaps of Vanderpump for Vulture. That's

20:30

what's making me happy this

20:32

weekend for actually this whole Vanderpump season.

20:35

I came to Vanderpump late. I

20:37

only started watching the aftermath of Skandoval. I

20:39

did go back and watch the old seasons

20:41

and I've been following the new season in

20:43

real time. And what

20:45

I adore about Brian's recaps is that, well

20:47

first of all he's hilarious. I'm like often

20:49

doing these like spit takes when I'm drinking

20:52

my coffee in the morning reading his recaps.

20:54

But you know he analyzes the show and

20:56

the characters through the lens

20:58

of this is a workplace

21:01

drama. And especially this season

21:03

has been about how essentially these

21:05

colleagues are going to keep working

21:07

together after a couple of them

21:09

poisoned the whole environment. And

21:12

I really enjoy stories about people's relationship

21:14

to work. I mean I'm an economics

21:16

reporter so I enjoy a labor story.

21:18

And I think that a lot of

21:20

reality shows the fact that cast members

21:23

are much more co-workers than

21:25

friends or romantic partners. That's often

21:27

more subtext than text but Vanderpump

21:29

actually makes it text which I

21:31

think is fascinating. And then Brian

21:33

does this marvelous funny job of

21:36

talking about it from that lens.

21:38

So that's Brian Moylan's recaps of

21:40

Vanderpump Rules on vanderpump.com. I'll read

21:42

them forever. Awesome. Thank you so

21:44

much Waylon. Jordan, what's making you happy

21:46

this week? The thing that's making me happy this

21:48

week is a great new graphic novel that

21:50

I got to read an early reader copy of. It

21:53

is called The Worst Ronin. It

21:55

is by Maggie Tokuda Hall and

21:57

Faith Schaeffer. It is a

21:59

story. About a kind of wanna be

22:02

impetuous young samurai who teams up with

22:04

a kind of hard drink in battle

22:06

scarred samurai to fight a demon It's

22:08

status. Really fun wacko weird world building

22:10

where it seems to take place in

22:12

feudal Japan but just everyone has cell

22:14

phones and they don't explain it. some

22:16

cases it's it's such a funny choice

22:18

and the book is full of just

22:21

funny delightful fun choices like that. It's

22:23

a why a books. I think it

22:25

be a great like gift for a

22:27

kid but like if you just wanna

22:29

read a samurai. Comedy about a farting demon

22:31

citizens a book for you, but yes he's

22:33

probably still get in a pre order but

22:35

the fleet pick it up on the twenty

22:37

first when it comes out. Officially that is

22:40

called the worst. Ronin by Maggie Tcu to

22:42

Hall and said Schaefer. Thank you so

22:44

much! Start in: well, let's make me happy

22:46

this week as I recently got a sense

22:48

and time with family as well I don't

22:50

see very often and my uncle in law.

22:53

Kind. Of we got talking about a

22:55

Luciano Pavarotti and went down like this

22:58

rabbit hole about how much he loves

23:00

Luciano Pavarotti and lot. I was familiar

23:02

with him three Tenors, but like I

23:04

wouldn't say had ever willingly put on

23:07

Pavarotti and we want spending probably about

23:09

an hour watching all not all that

23:11

a lot of Upon Roddy and Friends.

23:13

that's the series of benefits that he

23:16

did and the nineties. and at In

23:18

the Arts where he was collaborating with

23:20

the most random. Popstars. Could

23:23

imagine the Space Girl is minus

23:25

Geri Halliwell, Stevie Wonder Lies I'm

23:27

an Alley Barry White, Sheryl Crow

23:30

like. Bonkers. But

23:32

I think. To my favorites are a

23:34

parody and James Brown singing it's a

23:36

man's Man's. Man's. Parole. How.

23:38

and celine dion he's singing at i

23:41

hate you then i love you from

23:43

her fantastic album let's talk about love

23:45

and i think the saline and pavarotti

23:47

at do and actually makes one of

23:49

more sense than a lot of the

23:52

the ones that he was doing but

23:54

i love the way if you watch

23:56

this on youtube see is like looking

23:58

at him and ten the whole

24:01

time. While he's like not really looking at her, he

24:03

doesn't really look at other performers when he duets with

24:05

them. He's just like in his zone. But I love

24:07

it and

24:10

their voices just sound like like butter. Let's

24:13

actually hear a little bit of that. Gorgeous.

24:32

Spread it on my coat. Oh

24:37

man, I love it. I just love going down

24:39

this rabbit hole. And I also just

24:41

love it made me appreciate how he would

24:43

collaborate with so many different people. And it

24:45

just seems like he was so happy to

24:48

do that and, and not have this hard

24:50

line of like, well, I'm an opera singer

24:52

and I can, he seemed to love

24:54

music of all kinds. And he appreciated

24:56

artists of all kinds. And that's what's

24:58

making me happy. So definitely just go

25:00

down a rabbit hole of Pavarotti and

25:02

friends on YouTube, but especially the Celine

25:04

Dion. I hate you that

25:06

I love you. Do it. It's fantastic. If

25:09

you want links for what we

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newsletter. That brings us to the

25:17

end of our show. Waylon Wong,

25:19

Jordan Morris, thanks so much for

25:21

being here. It was apetastic. I don't

25:23

know if that works. We

25:26

went from chimpanzee to chimpanzee.

25:31

This episode was produced by Hufsa Fathima

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and Ramel Wood and edited by Mike

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Katziff. Our supervising producer is Jessica

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