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Today we're talking about something that becomes
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more and more important to us the
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older we get. When we're
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young, we definitely want to have
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a purpose and find meaning, but
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the urgency of all that isn't
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as tangible as when we're older.
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We're young. We've got a lot
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of time left before we have
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to be serious about life, right?
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Of course, that's never right. But
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no one who was ever young
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would tell you now that they
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didn't think it was when they
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were young. The youth are invincible
4:53
and unconcerned with time as a
4:55
result. They do want to make
4:57
an impact in the world, but they
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know they've got plenty of time to figure
5:01
it out in most cases. And in most
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cases, they're right. When you get older, though,
5:06
say 40, like me, things that
5:08
you never imagined being oppressively concerned
5:11
with begin becoming things that you
5:13
are oppressively concerned with. And at
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some point, and this happened to
5:17
me in my mid 30s, I'd
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say you really do begin to
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internalize the truth that time is
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running out and that there exists
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within you this overwhelming instinct
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to figure it
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out, to get it sorted,
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to make it happen, or
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something like that. It
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is never a single thing, but
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more like an emotion related to
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many things and which lives under
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the umbrella of fulfillment, purpose or
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meaning. You want to figure out
5:49
what your purpose is, what the
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meaning in your life is, and
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you become aware all at once that
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this fulfillment thing is real and that
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you don't have it and
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of course that you want it.
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So you start asking yourself what
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it means to be fulfilled. What
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purpose is, what meaning is, and
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you might explore many options for figuring
6:12
all this out. And by options, I
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suppose I mean the ideas
6:16
that others are sharing with you because
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they think those ideas are the key
6:21
to figuring it out because they say
6:23
it was key to them figuring it
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out. And suddenly at the stage in
6:27
your life there's an appeal you never
6:29
really had for things like religion
6:31
or philosophy or ethical and moral
6:34
theories. And it tends to hit
6:36
us like a ton of bricks
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and we're rarely prepared for it
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because up to that point our
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relationship with these sorts of things,
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religion, philosophy, ethical and moral theories,
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are probably pretty shallow and almost
6:50
certainly through the interpretation of other
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people. We know our religion through
6:54
our parents frequently if we have
6:56
a religion. We know our morals
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through our social authorities perhaps.
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We know our philosophies through those
7:03
we look up to. But at
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some point we realize whether we're
7:08
trying to or not that we
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cannot continue approaching our understanding of
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morality, ethics, meaning, purpose,
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and many other things entirely
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through the understandings of others.
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Or perhaps better put,
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we cannot understand our
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religions, philosophies, morals, or
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ethics until we understand
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them as ourselves. It's
7:30
something like knowing a tree through
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photographs you've seen or been shown
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of it versus knowing that same
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tree through touching it, climbing it,
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and tending to it carefully. No
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matter how many photos you've seen
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of that tree from no matter
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how many different angles, you cannot
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know a tree through secondhand experience
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and you cannot know yourself through
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others. This is a
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realization that comes when we're
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a bit older because it takes
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a number of years to
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find a balance between conformity and
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rebellion, to find a powerful sort
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of bravery that enables us
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to both overcome our youthful sense
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of rebellion, while still resisting
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the allure of being part of
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some social in-group or political
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in-group, to become truly indifferent to
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what others think of us
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is a necessary step towards, let's
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call it, individual enlightenment, because becoming
8:27
so frees us from external reasons
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for seeking meaning or purpose.
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We cannot be genuinely seeking
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meaning or purpose if we
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are only doing so within
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the context of a desire
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to fit in with a
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group or to be oppositional
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to a group. We cannot
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define our purpose through others
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because that shrouds our purpose
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in conformity. We can't define
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our purpose through opposition to
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others because that makes our
8:57
purpose rebellion. Conformity and rebellion
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are not purposes, nor are
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they meanings. Here's something
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from Epictetus. It's from
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chapter two of his discourses,
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and it recounts a discussion
9:10
between florist and agrippinus. When
9:13
florist was deliberating whether he should
9:15
go down to Nero's spectacles and
9:17
also perform in them himself, agrippinus
9:20
said to him, go down. And
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when florist asked agrippinus, why do
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you not go down? Agrippinus replied,
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because I do not even deliberate
9:29
about the matter for he who
9:31
has once brought himself to deliberate
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about such matters and to calculate
9:35
the value of external things comes
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very near to those who have
9:40
forgotten their own character. For why
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do you ask me the question
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whether death is preferable or life?
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I say life, pain
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or pleasure. I say pleasure.
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But if I do not take part
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in the tragic acting, I shall have
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my head struck off. Go then and
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take part. But I will not. Why?
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Because you consider yourself to be only one
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thread of those which are in a tunic.
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Well then, it is fitting for you to
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take care how you should be like the
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rest of men, just as the thread has
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no design to be anything superior to the
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other threads. But I
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wish to be purple, that small part
10:19
which is bright, and makes all the
10:22
rest appear graceful and beautiful.
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When you look for your purpose in
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life, for your meaning in life, you
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must be doing it for yourself, and
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in a context that is entirely yours.
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It takes years to realize this, and
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at least in my case years more
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to internalize. Once it happens
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though, you are ready for a
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real exploration of purpose and meaning.
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And whether or not you are ready today, I
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am going to be outlining that exploration a bit
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through the lens of Stoic philosophy, in the hopes
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that it will help you to gain a bit
10:55
of insight for your own journey. Let's
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start by trying to define what
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purpose is exactly. Is it our
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motivation? Is it the meaning
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of our lives? Is it our goals?
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Is it our driving force? The Stoics
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believe that there was a way, a
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just way, to be human, just as
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there was a way to be a
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bumblebee, or a bear, or a salmon.
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Beings have a nature that is part
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and parcel of what they are, and
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they cannot help but to express this
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nature. The complexity of human beings however,
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makes our nature somewhat special,
11:37
or at least unique. We
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do, just as the bear and
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salmon, have a base nature, a
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primal nature, you might say,
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that all of us could
11:49
express without any effort whatsoever.
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However, humans also have
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a level of consciousness, awareness,
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and sentience that other animals
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seem not to have. a
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higher concentration of logos resides
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within us, again when
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compared to non-human animals. And
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this allows our nature to exist on
12:11
more of a spectrum than is the
12:13
case for other animals.
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On the one end, a primal nature,
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and on the other, an
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evolved or completely actualized nature,
12:22
the baseline versus the pinnacle.
12:25
The Stoics didn't exactly word it like
12:27
this, but they did say that there
12:29
were three kinds of people, mad men
12:31
or mad women, prakaptan,
12:33
and sages. This
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suggests a spectrum of natures because
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any way a human being acts
12:39
is the nature of that human
12:42
being. It could not be otherwise.
12:44
We all act in accordance with
12:46
our nature. But the Stoics would
12:48
want us to strive towards that
12:50
pinnacle nature of a human being,
12:52
because from a contemporary perspective, and
12:55
this is me speaking, not the
12:57
ancient Stoics, the madman, due to
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his having all the same cognitive
13:01
abilities as the sage, can
13:03
become a quite anti-nature thing
13:05
or unnatural thing. To the
13:07
Stoics to be in alignment
13:09
with nature was to be
13:11
in accord with it, was
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to be part of a,
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let's call it homeostatic flow
13:17
that was a boon to
13:19
nature, not a hindrance to
13:21
it. If one is fighting
13:23
one's fellow man, dumping crude
13:25
oil into the sea, plotting
13:27
against others, working to benefit
13:30
oneself at the expense of
13:32
others, one is not
13:34
in homeostatic flow with nature.
13:36
One is instead a
13:38
potential impediment to nature. This
13:41
is a fundamental concept of Stoicism,
13:43
that we are supposed to be
13:46
trying to become better for the
13:48
fake of the whole. This is
13:50
why Stoics were cosmopolitans, and unlike
13:53
the cynics, so committed to service
13:55
and involvement in their communities, and
13:57
the broader world, or cosmopolis. Stoics
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believe that the most just way
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to be a human is to
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be a sage, and thus that
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the most just activity for a
14:09
human to be working on or
14:12
to be undertaking is working towards
14:14
sagehood. So if you're a stoic,
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your purpose isn't something you need
14:18
to figure out. You adopt it
14:21
the moment you apply the label
14:23
stoic to your person. Your purpose
14:25
as a stoic is to become
14:28
a sage, to attain virtue.
14:31
Virtue, as I have said
14:33
a million times at this
14:35
point, is the knowledge of
14:37
how to live excellently, which
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means your purpose is to
14:41
acquire knowledge. And I find
14:43
this to be both romantic
14:45
and practical. Romantic because phylos
14:47
means love and sophia means
14:49
wisdom. Wisdom is knowledge and
14:52
so philosophy is the love
14:54
of the one true knowledge.
14:56
Virtue. It's practical because it
14:58
doesn't set out to preclude
15:00
anyone from participating, as
15:02
everyone can work towards becoming
15:04
a sage. That is, anyone
15:06
who is interested in discovering
15:08
how to live excellently. So
15:11
your purpose as a human being
15:13
who identifies also as a stoic
15:15
is to acquire the knowledge of
15:17
how to live excellently. That is
15:19
your purpose. And I would go
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so far as to say that
15:23
it can be the only top
15:25
level purpose a human being can
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have as it enables everything else.
15:29
The more you know about how
15:31
to live excellently, appropriately, like an
15:33
actualized human being, the fewer confusing
15:35
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15:37
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15:39
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15:41
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we're always on the lookout for that knowledge,
18:28
bits and pieces of it. And
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this enables an exciting new way
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of seeing the world. I
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asked earlier if our purpose is
18:37
our goals. We know
18:39
now that it isn't, at least
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not as stomachs. However, with our
18:43
purpose, we can now look at
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the idea of goals quite differently.
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Virtue, knowledge gives us the ability
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to know what goals are worth
18:52
setting. It also shows us the
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appropriate path to achieving those goals.
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I also asked if meaning was
18:58
our purpose. Again, we now know
19:00
it isn't. However, armed with the
19:02
knowledge of our purpose, we
19:05
can now more easily identify
19:07
what is contextually, appropriately meaningful
19:09
to us. As an example,
19:11
is our career meaningful to
19:13
us? And if so, to
19:15
what degree is it meaningful
19:18
to us? Before understanding that
19:20
our purpose was knowledge, we
19:22
might have mistaken our career for
19:25
our purpose in life. We may
19:27
have reduced our purpose to the
19:29
level of meaningful things. It means
19:31
something to us to do a
19:34
job We love. It means something
19:36
to us to provide for our family.
19:38
It means something to us to have
19:40
enough money to take a family vacation
19:43
every now and then. But If these
19:45
things become our purpose, then they usurp
19:47
our quest for virtue and they exert
19:50
a sort of control over us. We
19:52
Wind up fearing the loss of
19:54
our job, a loss of income, or
19:56
less food on the table. in. this
19:59
puts us. So quickly into
20:01
a state of mind were what
20:03
we're doing is entirely ignoring our
20:05
purpose and no longer standing tall
20:08
with purpose in mind. Instead we're
20:10
reacting to disruptions as if the
20:12
in different things which were being
20:15
disrupted were at the very core
20:17
of our human purpose. or to
20:19
say a different way. Imagine you're
20:22
a soldier tasked with winning a
20:24
battle. Your purpose in this example
20:26
is to win the battle. but
20:29
in combat. You sustain an injury
20:31
and used to have your fingers
20:33
on your left hand. Your purpose
20:36
for going into battle wasn't to
20:38
keep all your fingers, it was
20:40
to win the battle. So if
20:42
you decide to quit battling because
20:45
you've lost two fingers on your
20:47
left hand, you are d prioritizing
20:49
your purpose, replacing it with something
20:51
far less important and then forgetting
20:54
about it. This is why a
20:56
grip and this is not swayed
20:58
to participate in Nero's psychotic. Nonsense
21:00
because he understands that his life
21:02
is not to be prioritized over
21:04
his purpose. Now that doesn't mean
21:07
having your fingers cut off won't
21:09
hurt, or that she shouldn't care
21:11
about losing them, nor does it
21:13
mean you shouldn't care about losing
21:15
your job or your money or
21:17
not being able to feed your
21:19
family. But uncoupling these things from
21:21
your purpose helps you to see
21:23
such crises in a context that
21:26
is bigger than each of them
21:28
individually, or even all of them
21:30
collectively. If Akita says more about
21:32
us as we continue through chapter two
21:34
of his discourses, When. This pass
21:36
the incense and commanded to how various
21:38
not to go into the senate. He
21:41
replied it is in your power not
21:43
to allow me to be a member
21:45
of the senate but so long as
21:47
I am I must go in. Well
21:49
go in then says the emperor but
21:51
say nothing. Do. Not ask my opinion
21:53
and I will be silent but I must
21:55
ask your opinion and I must say when
21:57
I think is right. But if you do.
22:00
I should put you to death. And
22:02
when did I tell you that I
22:04
am immortal? You will do your part
22:06
and I will do mine is your
22:08
part to kill his mind to die
22:10
but not in fear yours to banish
22:12
me mind to depart without sorrow. Purpose.
22:15
Supersedes Outcomes. You don't abandon your
22:17
purpose because you lose a finger
22:19
Nord you abandon your purpose if
22:21
you lose your job or are
22:24
struggling to survive. Purpose is greater
22:26
than the moment, and in fact
22:28
it is what provides you with
22:30
the very armor and weaponry you
22:33
will require to survive the many
22:35
arduous task you choose to take
22:37
on in the name of desired
22:40
outcomes you provide for your family
22:42
because you've discovered in your pursuit.
22:44
Of knowledge that it is appropriate
22:46
for a mother or father to
22:49
provide for their family. You're not
22:51
providing for your family because you
22:53
love them though I hope you
22:55
do. You're providing for them because
22:58
thats what you've learned is becoming
23:00
have an excellent parents and excellence
23:02
human being. You're. No longer
23:04
doing things out of a desire to
23:07
help others. That's far too simple. And
23:09
that's a good thing because if your
23:11
desire to to help others, then the
23:13
value of your choice to help is
23:16
determined not by the fact that he
23:18
chose to help, the by the outcomes
23:20
of your help. Instead.
23:22
You're helping others because you've learned
23:25
that someone who is living an
23:27
excellent life should when they're capable
23:29
of doing so, and that involvement
23:31
is appropriate, do things which benefit
23:34
other people. It's not for social
23:36
media points or some corporate service
23:38
initiative. Rather, it is because doing
23:40
so is deeply rooted in your
23:43
purpose as a stoic. Once you've
23:45
acquired enough knowledge on your for
23:47
kept on pass, the liberty that
23:49
comes with this cannot be overstated.
23:52
When you're operating from a place
23:54
of purpose, you don't see as
23:56
many options or conditions and this
23:58
significantly reduce this choice related anxiety
24:00
as again the value of your
24:02
choice ceases to be about be
24:04
outcome and yet instead becomes about
24:06
the making of the choice in
24:08
the first place. This is why
24:11
Plus just doesn't care the he's
24:13
going to die if he speaks
24:15
his mind. if he speaks his
24:17
mind against the tire and he
24:19
is doing what is for him
24:21
excellent to do where he to
24:23
fear the outcome of speaking truth
24:25
to power he would be forced
24:27
to live less than excellently which
24:29
he cannot. Do as a man
24:31
of purpose, And. That's the other
24:34
thing Purpose does wants to is have
24:36
betrayed his and internalized. It prevents you
24:38
from making choices that are out of
24:40
alignment with it. The self
24:42
preserving difficulty that a child experiences
24:44
when trying to tell the truth
24:46
in the situation where they know
24:48
the truth will get them into
24:50
trouble is similar but the mirror
24:52
and opposite of the difficulty press
24:54
this was have felt were see
24:56
to try to convince himself not
24:58
to speak it would have felt
25:00
like doing damage to him. At
25:03
first it is hard to be jealous. But.
25:06
Then. After. A long enough
25:08
journey. It. Becomes hard to
25:10
be anything but just.
25:13
In summary, identifying your purpose in
25:15
life as the stoics is as
25:17
simple as me telling you your
25:20
purpose is to become an excellent
25:22
and just human being that set.
25:25
Truly embodying and living. map
25:27
purpose will take years, but
25:29
once you've made even a
25:32
little progress on that journey,
25:34
you will find it increasingly
25:36
difficult to be anything but
25:38
an increasingly Este version. you
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