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Previously on Queen of the Cohn.

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It is what it is.

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It's not nothing you could take back.

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Peggy Fulford scams millions

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of dollars from pro athletes like Dennis

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Rodman and Travis Best.

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You know, Travis, you're sending the fucking

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pacers and US movies and stuff. Yeah.

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So, and when Travis found out, he didn't

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tell anyone either because

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it's embarrassing. NBA

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shooting guard Rashad mccantz is actually

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kind of lucky by comparison. He only

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loses two hundred thousand dollars to Peggy.

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It was my first Riki check, my

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first Ricky check. I got a call from my agent and saying

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Peggy got us.

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All.

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This goes down in the early two thousands

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and there's a lot of overlap. Peggy

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is actually scamming multiple pro

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athletes at the same time,

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and it turns out the biggest victim

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of all is Miami Dolphins running back

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Ricky Williams. How much

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total did Peggy take from Ricky?

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I think they said about six million.

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Do you think it was really more?

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I think that it was definitely more.

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I'm Jonathan Walton and this is Queen

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of the con The athlete Whisperer

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episode four, She's

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a perfect actor. Rickey

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the deep bat first and goal of the two yard

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line. In the early two thousands,

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NFL running back Ricky Williams is

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a bona fide superstar.

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Hey John dropping Hi popping

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kind of run by Ricky.

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Williams making touchdown

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after touchdown after touchdown

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for the Miami Dolphins.

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It is Williams slips away from one

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touchdown.

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Great spinball for Ricky william

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at the end song. But

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in nineteen ninety nine, before he makes

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it to Miami, Ricky's playing

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for the New Orleans Saints.

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And I think everyone remembers Ricky Williams as

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a Heisman.

2:12

Winner, Guardian journalist and

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author of the book Family, Gangsters and

2:17

Champions Ramon Antonio Vargas.

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Ricky Williams was kind of the face

2:22

of a very dark time in

2:25

New Orleans sports history,

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just given how he came to kind of epitomize, like

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you know, the Saints gave up a lot to acquire him,

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and then under the Mike Didka era, which

2:34

set all kinds of records of utility for the

2:36

franchise. I also remember

2:39

and recognize how important

2:41

of a role he played on

2:43

the Saints team that won the franchise's

2:45

first ever playoff game, which did

2:48

not happen until the two thousand season.

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And it's while Ricky is living in

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New Orleans from nineteen ninety nine to

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two thousand and one that he buys a

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flashy new condo with his multi

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million dollar paycheck from the NFL. When

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MTV Cribs suddenly wants

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to shoot a segment about his new.

3:06

Digs and he needed

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to furnish the whole

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place and everything like that.

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Ricky's lifelong friend Chantel Cohen,

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and so.

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A cousin of Peggy's worked

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in. I don't know if she was an

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interior designer or worked at the actual

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furniture store, but she came

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over, she helped out, she furnished the place,

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and brought Peggy in to helper.

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So it turns out this interior designer,

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a woman named Pamela, isn't actually

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a cousin of Peggy's at all,

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despite whatever story might have been told at

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the time.

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My name is Pamela Carry and

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I am a longtime friend of Peggy

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barad King or Fulford.

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Not sure what name she's going by now,

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but her maiden name was Barrod.

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We are longtime friends. Our

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parents were friends, so I've known

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her for a long time.

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So Pamela is the woman Ricky Williams

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hires to decorate his condo for MTV

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Cribs, and Peggy is a childhood

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friend of Pamela's. But Pamela

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and Ricky already have a previous working

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relationship.

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I helped him with his house prior

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to the condo, I'd already did his

4:23

entire house, and we

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were really close.

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But what Pamela doesn't know is

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that Peggy had moved back to New

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Orleans from Atlanta after divorcing

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doctor Forest King and taking full

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control of the sports management company

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he founded, King Management, and

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Travis Best, the point guard for the

4:43

Indiana Pacers, is her only

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client. So Peggy is

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desperately looking for more professional

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athletes to get her hooks in. And

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the second she hears her childhood

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friend Pamela Carey got hired

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to decorate a new condo for NFL

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running back Ricky william She.

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Just showed up and she

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made herself available. She

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said, oh, you need sheets, you

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need this, and she initially

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purchased some things for him. She

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made her way into his life and

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at the time, I didn't think anything

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of it, but I

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now realized that she was

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scouting him.

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Oh yeah, she was scouting

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him, all right. And Pamela Carey,

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who Ricky and Chantell called Pam, was

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Peggy's only way in. And

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do you blame Pam for bringing

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Peggy into both your lives?

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I never blame anybody for someone

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else's the way.

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That they act.

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Chantelle Cohen Again.

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I seriously don't think that Pam

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knew the depth of what Peggy

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was doing, so I wouldn't put any blame

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on Pam at all.

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Pam was going to help Ricky decorate, and

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then she drafted.

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Peggy took over.

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What was her taste? Like what kind of stuff did she get?

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I mean, like I

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want to say, like a modern fancy

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I don't even know the word to use for that

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mix, but like super modern

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rich paintings, like one of his Blue

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Dog paintings. That is a big painting

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in New Orleans two hundred and fifty kight, like

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come on, yes, exactly. And every time

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I would look at that, I'm like, that is a

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quarter of a million dollars sitting on

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this wall right now.

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So she got Ricky to buy a painting for two hundred

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and threty thousand dollars. Oh my god. Yes,

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my dream is to have that kind of money.

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I know me too. I

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don't know.

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I'm trying to buy

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like a plane or something.

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I don't know.

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I need something that I could use over and over again.

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So she had expensive taste, very

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expensive taste. I wouldn't even know where to get a two

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hundred in the first quarter.

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So she decked out Ricky's plus jecked it out.

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And when MTV Cribs came and

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shot, they were impressed.

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Yes, very much so.

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So he must have felt grateful.

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She comes in, decorates, she's doing this for free.

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She's not asking for money.

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No, she didn't do it for money, because that was

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her thing, like you need to save your money for

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generational wealth, blah blah blah blah. So no,

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she didn't get paid for that, now

7:13

that I think about it, Yeah.

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She seems like what the FBI calls

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a rescue merchant. Ricky

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was in a bind. Yeah, this place decorated.

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She comes on the scene. I'll do it. She's got the

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style and glamour, and she knows what a buy two

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hundred and fifty thousand dollars paintings and yeah, make

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the place look like a baller lives

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there.

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You know for sure.

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And that's what she wanted people to know, Like,

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you are Ricky Williams, you have to live like

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this high profile person.

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And Ricky is so opposite.

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He doesn't care about money, he doesn't care about

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what people think about him, like he's just living his

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own life. So it's like she was trying

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to make him bigger than what he

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wanted to be.

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Basically, because you're Ricky Williams.

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He traded a whole draft for you, you

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know, so she was just trying to make him

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live up to that. But if you look at all

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of the people that she actually took

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money from, they all were

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in some type of buying are just like

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really to theirselves, not like

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needed some type of nurturer basically,

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you know.

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And she needed a mother taking care and a mom

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and.

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She just came in and she was the perfect person to do

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something like that.

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And the thing about Peggy is she's

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a lot like my con artist from season

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one, the Irish heiress who

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lied in wait for years to rob

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me. You've been scamming as out of money.

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This whole time you have.

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Peggy is incredibly patient and

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literally puts in years of work

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and tells years of lies

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before she ever scams a single

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dollar from Ricky Williams. It's

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obvious now she was grooming

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him. Walk

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me through how you and Ricky go from.

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Peggy comes on the scene, decorates his place.

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He's grateful, she takes you all out. You guys

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become friends. How do you

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go from that? Suddenly she's managing

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his money? How'd that happen?

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It was such a long period

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of time from the time that we met Peggy

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to when she actually started working for

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Ricky, because she didn't start working for Ricky

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till like five years in. We were more

9:15

of growing as a family, getting

9:18

close and things like that. I would babysit her kids.

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She was one of the kids got mothers like

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you know, So we were all like a tight knit

9:26

group that hung out dinners and things

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like that. And then after

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he retired the first time, with the suspension

9:33

and everything like that.

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Yeah, So Ricky Williams got into some

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trouble with his use of marijuana

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when he played for the NFL again.

9:40

Our top story, and Ricky Williams has lost

9:43

his repeals of the NFL and has subsequently

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been suspended from football for one

9:47

year for allegedly violating the league substance

9:49

abuse policy.

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The decision came down and in two thousand and four,

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Ricky Williams, at just twenty seven

9:55

years old, retires, actually

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walks away from the NFL. He's

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sick of the marijuana controversy.

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He's sick of the brutal spotlight

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that comes with playing professional football.

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Ricky Williams felt like he had no one protecting

10:10

him from all that, and that is

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the opening Peggy needs to inject

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herself into his life and

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into his bank account after

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the break, Welcome

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back to Queen of the Cohn. In

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two thousand and four, NFL running back

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Ricky Williams retires from professional

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football, but a year

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later, in two thousand and five, he

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changes his mind and goes

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back to playing for the Miami Dolphins.

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At this point, four years

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have gone by since Ricky first meets

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Peggy, and they've become really

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close. He knows she manages the

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finances for other professional athletes

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like Indiana Pacers point guard Travis

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Best, and now Peggy

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starts earnestly making the case to Ricky

11:05

Williams for why she's the one who

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should be managing him finances

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and all that.

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Is when she got in his ear of if

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you would have let me manage you back then we wouldn't

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be in this and blah blah blah. And then that's

11:18

how she ended up working for Ricky.

11:20

So it was like five years out there we originally

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met her.

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There's something so Shakespearean about it, like

11:27

othello, like she's the Iago,

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like whispering in.

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His ear that play in London two weeks

11:32

ago.

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Oh my god, how they do it.

11:35

It's amazing, right, yes, such a great

11:37

story, but it's so based on I

11:39

see those situations again and again where

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you have this evil mffort who

11:43

pretends to be nice and loved by everyone, whispering

11:46

shit in Ricky Williams here

11:48

like if you don't let me manage it, this is wouldn't happened you

11:50

blah blah blah bla blah.

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So over the course of five years,

11:55

at this point, Peggy convinces Ricky

11:57

and Chantal she's a Harvard grad who

11:59

made millions of dollars on wall streets

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and now she's just helping professional

12:04

athletes manage their money and more

12:06

importantly, protect their money

12:08

from all the nair duels, all

12:10

the circling vultures who are lining

12:13

up to trick them out of it. So in

12:15

two thousand and seven, Ricky Williams

12:18

hires Peggy to run his finances

12:20

and kind of run his life. So,

12:24

how much was Peggy's salary for managing

12:26

Ricky's money? No, she didn't want to sell.

12:29

No, she didn't want a charger.

12:31

You're my brother, you

12:33

already are in money situations

12:35

because of football. I

12:38

want you to have generational wealth. That was

12:40

her main thing that she used. Generational wealth.

12:42

That was her thing, that was her slogan,

12:44

that was everything. So she didn't want to charge. She

12:46

didn't charge these athletes.

12:48

So she came off as a woman with so

12:50

much money on her own. Yeah, she's just almost

12:52

like volunteering to help, like you would

12:55

volunteer to feed the homeless.

12:56

You guys are my sons. I need to help

12:58

you basically.

12:59

Because to your knowledge, at that point, she had no children.

13:01

Yeah, because everyone was

13:03

her ex husband everyone.

13:05

The first time she hold Ricky's first

13:07

son, this is my first time ever

13:10

holding a.

13:10

Baby, she said that, Yes, wow.

13:14

Literally, this is my first time holding

13:16

a baby.

13:20

So Peggy just comes across as

13:22

this uber, wealthy woman with no

13:25

kids of her own and so much

13:27

love to give.

13:28

I just want to help the rich athletes.

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My buddy again, Evan Goldstein. Early

13:34

on, she makes the case that athletes are always

13:36

getting scammed. Let me help you grow.

13:38

Oh my god, how ironic.

13:39

Huh.

13:40

On the face, it seems, oh, well, that's

13:42

dumb. She's not charging you. Who

13:45

doesn't charge you? But by then she's

13:47

got their heartstrings. She's this loving, benevolent

13:50

mother figure with all this money.

13:53

She's just doing this to help you because you know,

13:55

she wants to help athletes.

13:56

Yeah, it's like you know those rich women that just

13:58

like you know, the the voluntarities,

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Yes, that like I just do it because I don't

14:03

need the money. I just this is what keeps me busy,

14:05

This is what gives me. I like to help people gives

14:07

her purpose.

14:08

Yeah. Yeah, And we all yearn for a sense

14:10

of purpose, and they misread it thinking

14:12

this is her sense of purpose. Well, meanwhile,

14:14

she's robbing them all blind. Yeah,

14:17

and like so many other con artists,

14:19

Peggy really looks the part, and

14:22

she appeared to be rich.

14:23

Yeah. When Peggy walks into a

14:25

room, she takes over the.

14:27

Whole energy Chantella Cohen again,

14:29

like.

14:29

Everybody turns to her. She knows

14:32

how to work the room, she knows how to speak, she

14:34

knows what you want to hear at the end of the day. So

14:36

it was easy for her. Perfect example,

14:38

we did a hurricane foundation

14:41

thing, a fundraiser. I think

14:44

it was like Honduras or somebody

14:46

had a big hurricane back then, and

14:48

we raised all this money through athletes and

14:50

things, and she literally worked the whole room.

14:52

Like she walked out of there with more clients,

14:55

even though she had people raising money,

14:57

but she walked out with more people

14:59

because she work the room. It's like Ricky

15:01

was the quiet one. You

15:04

just go in there and talk. I'll go in there and be Ricky.

15:06

You go in there and be Peggy. And so they had

15:08

a dynamic duel. Everything

15:10

was legit.

15:12

Looking back, it's apparent to me

15:14

now she's using Ricky yeah

15:16

to attract other people. Yeah, No, for sure, because

15:19

she's like, well, people think she's managing Ricky Williams

15:21

many she must be good. I want

15:23

in on that, yep.

15:25

And I had a moment where I actually worked

15:28

for her as a personal assistant. But It

15:30

only lasted for a month because I didn't get paid,

15:32

so she didn't pay you, she didn't pay me. I

15:34

was really mad about that. Me and another friend

15:36

of ours, we both worked at the same time, and

15:38

we were just like, okay, I'm so confused,

15:41

like we're in your big mansion

15:43

and we're not.

15:44

Getting a paycheck.

15:45

And I was like, this is not gonna work for me, you know,

15:47

And she's like, no, no, I'll give you a check. And I'm like, it's

15:49

not gonna work for me. Like I rather us be friends

15:52

than business partners. So I just

15:54

left it at that, and we were still very

15:56

cool after that.

15:58

And that just speaks to how charmed and charismatic

16:00

she is that you can still be cool after that. Yeah,

16:03

and how does she not pay? Like when paycheck

16:06

time came.

16:07

There was no paycheck, it was no paycheck, and

16:09

you asked her, hey, where's our money?

16:11

At to the point too, where my friend wrote her a letter

16:14

like what's going on?

16:15

You know?

16:15

And how does she come on?

16:17

Remember how she responded, because obviously

16:19

it wasn't too mean because I still was

16:21

her friend after that, so I don't remember

16:24

how she responded, but I just remember we still

16:26

talk about it that we never got paid by her.

16:28

Wow. Yeah,

16:31

that's so strange though, but it really speaks

16:33

to her power. Yeah, she's a manipulator.

16:35

Yeah, definitely.

16:36

So it's like she can wrong you and then still

16:38

be your friend. You'd still feel you don't hate her. Yeah,

16:42

I mean that's the ultimate power of

16:44

any professional con artist working today.

16:47

They can get you to love them no matter

16:49

what. And I've said up before, love

16:52

is the most powerful force there is in

16:54

the universe. People will kill

16:56

for love, people will die for love,

16:59

and if a con artists can get you to

17:01

love them, you'll overlook

17:04

a lot. At no point did Ricky

17:06

Williams say the Travis Hey, is

17:08

she doing a good job for you?

17:10

No?

17:12

So how much control did Ricky

17:14

Williams give Peggy of his finances?

17:16

All the control?

17:19

She basically said that she wanted to put

17:22

him on a monthly allowance

17:24

because Ricky would like to spend money on

17:26

random things computer stuff.

17:29

Camera stuff.

17:29

At that time, he was in photography, so he would

17:31

just spend thousands of dollars and gadgets

17:34

and things like that. So she kept saying, I need

17:36

to put you on a monthly allowance, and

17:39

so he basically signed over everything

17:41

to her to where she was able to get his

17:44

play in check, put it in the bank account,

17:46

and then disperse his allowance and then

17:48

pay for all the bills, child support,

17:50

blah blah blah, all things like that. So

17:53

he gave her a lot of control,

17:55

basically all the control.

17:57

Again, coming back to the mother thing, she

18:00

put him on an allowance like something your parents

18:02

do.

18:03

Yeah, right, yeah.

18:04

And do you know, I mean you grew up with Ricky.

18:06

Is he close to his mother? Was he needing

18:08

a mother type of relationship?

18:11

They were back and forth?

18:12

They're awesome today, but yes,

18:15

back then they were back and forth. So I could

18:17

see why he fell into something

18:19

like that as a mother person.

18:21

But yeah, yeah, because there's like a hole at

18:23

that point, yes, where he needed some kind of mother

18:25

figure. Yeah, or he didn't have a mother figure.

18:28

Yeah, so when one appears, it's like slips right in.

18:30

Yeah it fits. Yeah.

18:32

And Ricky Williams's wife Kristen is

18:34

also taken in by Peggy's kind

18:36

and loving scammy smoke screen.

18:40

Peggy had endeared herself

18:42

to Ricky in a motherly

18:45

sort of way. Peggy

18:47

was just so part of

18:49

our family and ingrained

18:51

in our lives. When I

18:54

had our first child, she even

18:56

brought me home from the hospital. She

18:59

just makes you feel like you're the

19:01

only thing in the world that matters.

19:03

She infiltrated my life. She

19:06

became my best friend. In

19:08

her exact words, I was

19:10

the sister that she never had.

19:14

Ricky's wife, Kristen, is also good

19:16

friends with Ricky's childhood friend Shan

19:18

tel Cohen at first, but

19:21

then all of a sudden, a palpable

19:23

animosity develops.

19:26

So when Ricky got dropped it to New Orleans,

19:28

he happened to get heard, and

19:32

so I came to visit him and ended up

19:34

living with him throughout his whole career. So

19:37

when Ricky got traded, we were all

19:39

like, Okay, you're gonna go to Miami. We'll stay

19:42

here in New Orleans. Well,

19:44

Peggy originally said, Kristy didn't

19:46

even want me to stay in the house anymore. It

19:48

was a house, and then there was a guest house in

19:50

the back that I slept in. So

19:53

I had like my mini apartment back there. You

19:55

know, kitchen, everything was in there. Leg I was

19:57

set in the back, didn't need to come in the

19:59

house like it was whatever. And she kept

20:01

saying to me, Kristen doesn't even want you to still here.

20:03

I'm like, what, like, how does that even work?

20:05

She doesn't even pay the rent here, like this is not her

20:08

house, you know.

20:09

So it was that and then that

20:11

was.

20:11

That was so far from the truth, Christen said.

20:14

And then when Kristin ended up moving to Miami,

20:18

Peggy said, Kristen doesn't even want you to move

20:20

to Miami. She doesn't even want you in

20:22

their lives anymore. I'm like, what the hell did

20:25

I do? And she just

20:27

mad at my friendship with Ricky and so she played

20:29

off of that like you're way too close to Ricky

20:32

and she's trying to be his wife, and

20:34

you know, just all this, Yes, it was all

20:36

these things she would say, and then vice

20:38

versas to Kristin, Oh, Chantau doesn't even

20:40

like you. She doesn't even think Ricky should be with you, Like,

20:44

oh, yes. It was just so much drama.

20:47

But there's no way Peggy can predict

20:49

what's about to happen. After the

20:51

break Welcome

21:01

Back to Queen of the Cohn Peggy

21:03

successfully separates Chantel Cohen

21:06

from Ricky Williams's wife, Kristen.

21:08

Peggy said, Oh, Chantal doesn't even like

21:10

you. She doesn't even think Ricky should be with you, Like,

21:13

oh yes, it was just so much drama

21:15

that she always created. And with

21:18

us having that conversation of just going back,

21:20

it's like we should have knew from

21:22

our energy that that was not it. Like

21:25

actions speak louder than words, like I never

21:27

was rude to you in person, maybe

21:29

towards the end of me like really believing

21:32

now that you don't like me, But in

21:34

the beginning, I was always trying to be your friend,

21:36

you know, like, if this is someone Ricky's

21:38

trying to be with, of course I want to be cool

21:40

with you, you know. But it was more or less like, Nope,

21:43

she's having these babies for money.

21:45

She met Ricky on a charter flight

21:47

for one of the games.

21:48

She knew who Ricky was. She's in it for the money,

21:50

you know.

21:51

Just that's what she's telling Kristin.

21:53

You're saying, yes, well we moved

21:55

from New Orleans to Miami.

21:56

She's like, Kristin doesn't want you to move.

21:58

And I don't think you should, and

22:00

blah blah blah. And then she would come back and say,

22:02

well, Ricky loves you so much and he wants you to move

22:04

there, so you should. So it was like she played

22:06

us so much to where we

22:08

disliked each other. She was playing

22:11

us so bad to not talk to each other,

22:13

you know, like maybe not to compare

22:15

her stories or whatever her angle

22:18

was.

22:18

She succeeded in doing.

22:19

You hit it on the nose. It was not to compare stories.

22:21

Yes, and this is what con artists do. Ye

22:24

minded this too, They separate you. She

22:26

was telling you Christian was saying shit about you,

22:29

and then she's telling Kristin you were saying shit about her.

22:31

So you don't like Kristen, she doesn't like you, and you

22:33

guys aren't talking yep, and she wins.

22:35

Yeah, she definitely went.

22:39

And as is often the way in these tales,

22:41

it's an official letter from Uncle

22:44

Sam that shows up in Ricky Williams's

22:46

mailbox that changes everything.

22:50

It was the Irs that blew the whistle. Essentially,

22:52

they sent this, you're being audited. Notice

22:55

you os money, And that's

22:58

when Ricky Williams thought, wait a minute, he's

23:00

handling my money. This doesn't making any sense.

23:01

Yep.

23:03

And what happened after that?

23:05

Once that happened, then they called around

23:07

and they found out that it actually was

23:10

not paid and

23:12

so they called her and she goes, what

23:14

that's a mistake. I pay all your taxes,

23:17

blah blah blah, and they were like okay.

23:20

But also around that same time, Ricky

23:23

Williams and his wife Kristen start having financial

23:25

trouble, which just doesn't make any

23:27

sense to them.

23:29

So Kristen was already on

23:31

the fence of Peggy anyways,

23:34

towards the end of their relationship, like,

23:36

Okay, something's going on, but I don't know, Like how

23:38

come our car got rebuilt, But how come

23:41

I went to the grocery store my car got declined,

23:44

And how come one of the babies moms

23:46

is saying.

23:47

That we don't have child support this month.

23:50

So Kristin was already kind of just going through

23:52

her head. But every time I would tell Kristin

23:54

to talk to Peggy, it was like Peggy said,

23:56

let's go to dinner, let me take a shop, and so you

23:59

know, it just took Chris did off of that. So

24:02

Kristen was like, Okay, we need

24:04

to go down the rabbit hole and figure it out what it

24:06

was. Ricky, on the other hand, was guy.

24:09

She said that she.

24:10

Paid for it, let's let

24:12

it play out and let's see how it goes. And then

24:14

once it started getting real serious,

24:16

I was like, Ricky, you have to wake up, Like,

24:19

no, she's playing us like.

24:20

And Ricky didn't want to believe it.

24:22

I didn't want to believe it.

24:23

He did not want to believe it because

24:25

that's someone that he literally took

24:27

in and like he loved love, loved

24:29

her, you know, and like I said, that was

24:31

one of his kids, God's mom, you know. So

24:34

it's like she's found she's

24:36

family. Why would family do that?

24:39

So at this point, Peggy does what Peggy

24:42

always does when the jig's up. She

24:44

ghosts Ricky Williams and his wife

24:46

Kristen, and she ghosts Chantelle

24:48

Cohen too. She just stops

24:50

responding to phone calls and emails

24:53

and text messages.

24:55

Because Christy kept trying to call her, text her.

24:57

She even told me to call and text her.

24:59

And I feel like at one point

25:01

Peggy hit me back and said, I'm

25:04

getting you guys in money back in

25:08

wait ghosts.

25:11

Never heard from her again, never heard from her again. Isn't

25:14

that crazy? Yes, she can be such a

25:16

fixture in all your lives for

25:18

literally years, years, and

25:20

then the money's missing. You never hear from her again.

25:23

Yeah,

25:25

it's twenty thirteen. Now. Ricky Williams

25:27

and his wife Kristen are living in Texas.

25:30

At this point, Ricky's retired from the NFL

25:32

and he's coaching football at the University

25:35

of the Incarnate Word in San Antonio.

25:38

The couple has a beautiful home in Austin,

25:41

and in their minds, they're living off

25:43

the interest from the millions and

25:45

millions and millions of dollars that

25:47

Peggy's supposedly been investing

25:49

for them for the past six years.

25:52

But no matter how many times Ricky

25:54

and Kristen call and text Peggy trying

25:57

to get answers about their finances, she

25:59

just doesn't respond.

26:01

So December of twenty

26:04

thirteen, I am moving

26:06

from Vegas to Miami.

26:11

So we do a road trip, me and

26:13

my now husband and another friend of ours.

26:15

We drive through Austin, and

26:19

once we stop in Austin, Ricky says

26:21

to me, are you driving through New Orleans

26:23

on the way to Miami? And I was like, of course, you

26:25

know, I am, and he goes take me to New Orleans.

26:27

I want to talk to Peggy. I'm like absolutely not.

26:30

Like at this point I'm still in rage

26:32

and I don't know what I would do to her if

26:34

she was in front of me. And I kept saying, no, I'm

26:36

not doing that, Like you got to do that on your own

26:38

time. And he's like, Kelly, that's

26:41

what they called me too. So he's like, Telly,

26:43

I just.

26:43

Telly Shantelly Kelly. Yeah,

26:46

I got it.

26:48

And so he's like, I just need to talk to

26:50

her face to face because

26:52

I just want to hear what she has to say. And I'm like, I'm

26:54

not taking you, cut to you. I

26:57

ended up taking him,

27:02

and so I take him to New Orleans. Once

27:04

we pull up to her place, he's

27:06

like, don't get out the car. So

27:08

he does not let me get out the car. He makes

27:10

he send in a car for like forty five minutes while

27:12

he goes in.

27:15

Whatever they talk about. He comes back out.

27:17

She comes walking behind them, and I'm

27:19

like telling my husband, Matt,

27:23

I know she's not walking up to the car.

27:24

I know she's not walking up cut to

27:26

you.

27:26

She's like at my window and I'm like, I'm not rolling

27:28

it down, and Matt's like just rolling down. I'm

27:30

like, I'm not rolling it down, and she's like banging on the window

27:33

and so I finally roll it down.

27:35

She's like bawling, crying. She's like, I.

27:37

Hope you don't believe this, Like I would never do

27:39

this to Ricky. And she's like saying all this stuff

27:41

and I'm just like, I don't believe

27:44

you.

27:45

And what did Ricky get from her?

27:47

Like what he got from her? That

27:49

she put his money in stocks and

27:51

bonds? Like his money is spread out

27:54

and I'm like, go get it, then go

27:56

get something.

27:57

Show it, show me the money.

27:58

Yeah, So in his mind and he's thinking, okay, let's

28:00

give her time. Oh come, I'm like, yo, we're

28:03

done. Like you're not seeing

28:06

any of this money. Like I don't even know what you're

28:08

thinking in your head to think that this money's

28:10

coming back.

28:11

It's not.

28:12

But that's how good of a person he is,

28:14

Like, I'm still looking at you

28:16

like I know you care about me, so

28:19

you're gonna give me my money bag? No

28:21

she's not, you know, like no, she is

28:24

a perfect actor, period,

28:28

and she played us so bad. She's

28:30

not playing me anymore. She's still playing you. This

28:32

is ridiculous.

28:33

And he believes her explanation that the money's in

28:35

stocks and bonds somewhere, but

28:38

Ricky's wife, Kristen, doesn't believe

28:41

Peggy anymore, and she starts digging.

28:44

Peggy claimed to be a Harvard

28:47

educated attorney. I called

28:50

the Florida Bar Association, the

28:52

Georgia Bar Association, the

28:54

Louisiana Bar, anybody

28:57

that I could think of, any place that

28:59

she had lived. I just started

29:01

going down a checklist, and no

29:03

one knew her. We started

29:05

looking at every place that all

29:07

of our money and all of our investments are.

29:10

We have accounts there, but don't really have

29:12

the money in them anymore.

29:14

I am sorry, missus Williams, I'm showing a

29:16

zero balance in that account.

29:18

There are really no words

29:21

to describe waking up to find

29:23

out that you don't have one dollar

29:26

in your checking account, much less

29:28

than millions of dollars Ricky

29:30

had earned in the past few years. We

29:32

realized that we're paying for Peggy's

29:35

lavish lifestyle, the Bentley,

29:37

Rolls, Royce, the Range Rovers,

29:40

all of her homes. I was

29:42

actually with her when she spent eight

29:44

hundred dollars on her hair extensions.

29:48

I'm standing beside her as she's paying

29:50

for it with a credit card that is actually

29:53

linked to our accounts.

29:57

And what Kristen gets Ricky to do

29:59

to pay, and how everything goes

30:01

down after that will blow your

30:04

freaking mind. I shouted

30:06

out loud when I saw that. I literally

30:08

said, I said, no fucking way,

30:11

is what I said next

30:17

time on Queen of the Con.

30:19

Plaintiffs Ricky and Kristin Williams

30:22

collectively plaintiffs filed this verified

30:24

complaint and application for temporary

30:26

restraining order and preliminary injunction.

30:29

It's time to pay the piper, but Peggy

30:31

appears to be getting away.

30:34

The crazy thing about the FBI is

30:36

they did not want to arrest her

30:39

with all the information me and Kristin gave them.

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