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West County officials are still trying to figure

0:52

out what led to the drowning deaths of three

0:54

young girls in a private pond yesterday.

0:57

Officials say they recovered the bodies of 9-year-old

0:59

Zy'Ariel Oliver, 8-year-old Amaya

1:02

Harvey, and 5-year-old Tamari

1:04

Oliver yesterday morning near

1:06

Cass County 3319. This

1:09

after they were reported missing Friday night.

1:12

Officials say their bodies were found in a pond

1:14

at a neighboring property of where they live.

1:18

Three juvenile females were

1:20

reported missing. We all responded.

1:23

Our Texas Parks and Wildlife and Cass

1:25

County Sheriff's Office along with some of their

1:27

volunteer fire departments responded to the area.

1:30

We located items of clothing around

1:33

the pond and in the pond. So we

1:36

centered the search

1:37

on that small body of water and

1:40

with the use of divers we were able to

1:42

recover the three victims at approximately 2

1:45

a.m. this morning.

1:48

Officials say they've ordered an autopsy

1:50

for those three girls.

2:00

I'm a criminal behavioral analyst, former New Scotland

2:02

Yard founder of Paladin National Stalking Advocacy

2:04

Service and host of the podcast Crime Analyst.

2:07

And with me today is... Hi,

2:08

I'm Jim Clemente, retired FBI profiled

2:11

former New York City prosecutor and writer producer

2:13

of Criminal Minds. But my specialty

2:15

in the behavioral analysis unit was child

2:18

abductions and child abduction homicides.

2:20

And I'm Lisa Zambere. I'm the casting director of CBS's

2:23

Criminal Minds. I have a real interest in real crime

2:25

and these amazing minds that help

2:28

solve these crimes. And

2:30

with us today, we have a very, very special

2:32

guest who's going to help us deconstruct a case

2:34

we're going to talk about today. And she is...

2:37

I am Amara Kofar and I am the creator

2:39

and host of Black Girl Gone, a

2:41

true crime podcast that focuses on missing

2:44

and murdered black women and girls

2:46

and women of color.

2:48

And you do such incredible

2:50

work and we warmly welcome you

2:52

onto Real Crime Profile. And I

2:54

have to say, having followed your work, knowing

2:57

that it is so important, I came

2:59

across a case I'd never heard of before.

3:03

And I really, along with Lisa and Jim, we wanted to talk

3:05

to you about the case of the three little

3:07

black girls. And I'm talking

3:09

about Ziariel Robinson Oliver,

3:11

who was nine, Amaya Hughes,

3:14

who was eight, and Tamari Robinson,

3:17

Oliver, who was five, and three

3:19

little black girls under the age of 10, who

3:23

went missing on the evening of July

3:25

29th, 2022. And

3:28

this was in Atlanta, Texas. And

3:31

I was really aghast to hear

3:34

that

3:34

firstly, the case was ruled

3:37

as an accidental drowning. And

3:39

then within your post, you

3:41

had talked about actually the case

3:43

had now been determined to be a homicide

3:46

and that these three little girls were found

3:48

in a pond in a neighboring city. And

3:51

the cause of death was strangulation.

3:54

And the autopsy results

3:56

became known eight months later.

3:59

There's no suspect there isn't

4:02

really much information about the case and

4:04

there's no outrage and I was really

4:07

shocked by that is so egregious and

4:09

we want to talk today. The

4:12

detail of what you know what

4:14

happened and get into the timeline

4:17

and what's going on subsequently so

4:19

what can you share with us now listeners because most

4:22

listeners probably haven't heard about the case either.

4:24

Yes so i'm like i said i

4:27

discovered this case at the end of march

4:29

when when the local media started

4:31

reporting about it and what

4:34

i know what i knew was that the there was

4:37

three little girls who like i said in alanex texas

4:39

who had drowned in where they thought

4:41

had drowned in july of twenty twenty two. There

4:45

were you know some articles a lot of articles about

4:47

the drowning about the missing sisters and

4:49

then after that there wasn't anything until

4:52

eight months later when these autopsy results.

4:55

Were released and

4:58

when i found out that they were actually

5:00

had been strangled i was just like wait how is

5:02

this how is this possible how are three

5:05

sisters not just three random little girls

5:07

in the town three sisters. All

5:10

strangled and then you know you had the last

5:12

rations on their faces as as some of

5:14

the reporting has said. And so

5:17

i was just like okay, this is something that i kind

5:19

of need to pay attention to but

5:21

what i was able to kind of find was was

5:23

very little which was also

5:24

the reason why i was like wait a minute why

5:27

isn't anybody talking about this i mean. You

5:29

know you guys know that every single story

5:32

doesn't get the same amount of attention regardless

5:34

of race or what it's just

5:36

impossible for everyone to get the same attention, but this

5:39

case seemed like a case that really would have

5:41

caught people's attention so. I think

5:43

you're absolutely no i'm sorry but well

5:45

i think you're absolutely right there's this is a very extremely rare occurrence

5:47

in the United States of America. We

5:53

do in the when i was in the behavioral analysis

5:55

unit we did a study on all the child

5:57

abductions over the course of 10 years in the United

5:59

States. United States of America and they're typically about

6:02

somewhere between 120 to 200 a year in

6:07

the United States that are non-familial,

6:09

long-term abductions, and

6:11

about two-thirds of them are

6:14

fatal, all right? But to have multiple,

6:17

three girls under the age of 10, as

6:19

Laura pointed out, murdered

6:22

is extremely rare. In fact, I

6:25

don't know if there's another case

6:27

like this. Now, there was a case in

6:29

West Memphis, Arkansas called

6:32

the West Memphis 3 case where-

6:34

A lot

6:34

of that right away. That's the first thing I thought of

6:36

when I heard it. Well,

6:38

I mean, it disturbs me incredibly

6:41

because that case still remains unsolved

6:44

because the district attorney

6:47

has gotten Alfred Pleas from the three

6:49

innocent guys who they convicted.

6:52

They looked at it as a satanic

6:55

torture kind of case when that was

6:58

not it at all. And I believe that,

7:00

well, the killer is still out there. The

7:02

real killer, those three young

7:05

men now are out

7:08

because they took an Alfred plea, which

7:10

means they're saying, well, we didn't do

7:13

it. We denied doing it, but we're going to plead guilty.

7:16

And the person who actually did it is

7:18

still free. And that's absolutely

7:21

the case. In this case, because there

7:23

has been no even attempt

7:26

apparently at arresting anyone. Now,

7:29

be that as it may, I mean, they should investigate

7:32

fully because you don't just arrest

7:34

somebody because you need somebody to be

7:36

arrested. You have to have probable cause for the arrest.

7:39

But here's the thing.

7:40

These girls were found in

7:42

a lake or pond about 200

7:45

yards from their home. Okay.

7:48

Now I will tell you

7:50

that when we did the

7:52

child abduction study, we

7:55

found that when multiple kids go

7:57

missing and there was a body

7:59

of water.

7:59

whether a lake, an ocean,

8:02

or a river nearby, that there is a

8:04

high probability that those

8:06

bodies will be found in the lake. And many

8:09

times, especially in multiple

8:11

cases, when there's more than one, we

8:14

find, we have found that

8:17

those cases can be drownings, may

8:20

be drownings. And what happens is they

8:22

go to the water, one

8:25

person gets in trouble, the other one tries to

8:27

save them, and they both end up drowning. That

8:29

has happened many times here

8:31

in the United States. But when there

8:33

is physical evidence of strangulation,

8:36

when the autopsies reveal that

8:39

it is a murder,

8:41

a homicide committed by another person, rather than accidental

8:43

drowning, that

8:46

should have been determined fairly quickly.

8:49

Yeah. Do we know when

8:51

the autopsies were actually performed? And

8:53

we

8:53

don't. All we know, we

8:56

don't even know the exact dates of the autopsy. We're

9:00

assuming that it took them eight months to

9:03

do the autopsy. Well, I will tell you

9:05

this. That is not

9:08

a

9:09

typical protocol. The autopsy

9:12

should be done as

9:15

soon after the death

9:16

as possible. To

9:18

tell me that if it took eight

9:21

months for the autopsy

9:23

to be done,

9:24

that is a major problem in

9:26

this investigation. These three

9:28

little girls deserved to have those

9:30

answers, and their family deserved

9:33

to have those answers immediately, or

9:35

as soon after immediately as possible.

9:38

So that's one big question that

9:40

we need to get answered. And I

9:42

think that it is that the

9:44

autopsy was just released, and the reason why

9:47

I believe that is because the

9:49

family wasn't saying anything. And it's hard

9:51

for me to believe that if six to eight weeks after the

9:53

little

9:53

girls were murdered, that they knew that they were

9:55

murdered, that why would they wait eight

9:57

months? Why would the family wait eight months to

9:59

then... start holding a press conference

10:02

or speaking to the press. I'm not

10:04

sure. Well, the mother, let's

10:06

think about the mother for a minute, because that's a very good

10:08

point. And Chamonique

10:11

was the mother of six children, and

10:13

these were three of her babies, right? And

10:16

she did speak out for the first time

10:18

on March the 27th following

10:20

the

10:22

appeal for information that

10:25

the police did, which again, the appeal

10:27

for information eight months on is a major problem.

10:30

But the mother did say specifically, she doesn't

10:32

care who she upsets by speaking

10:34

out, which leads me to believe

10:36

that she was gagged for some reason.

10:39

And I think when something catastrophic

10:42

happens to you, you're in the hands

10:44

of other people around you. And perhaps law

10:46

enforcement did say they were doing

10:49

other things. But bearing in mind, they ruled it to be

10:51

an accidental drowning. I doubt that

10:53

that was really the case. And that's why I

10:55

think, you know, given the injuries, given

10:57

what we know, in fact, two of

11:00

the girls had busted

11:02

lips. That's how it was described.

11:05

And it was the eldest, Ziaariel,

11:07

who had facial reconstruction done

11:10

to the side of her face because

11:12

of lacerations. And

11:14

therefore, that would have been in full

11:16

view when the bodies were recovered. So

11:19

I'm curious about why questions weren't

11:21

asked right from the start, particularly

11:24

as mum said the girls knew not to

11:26

go to the pond. And that was clear

11:28

direction that they had. And the fact

11:30

that they were out that night, that's another question

11:33

about,

11:34

you know, at night, eight, nine o'clock, where they go missing,

11:37

they were being looked after, right,

11:39

by a babysitter. The

11:40

cousin, I believe it was a male

11:42

cousin who was babysitting all of

11:44

the children. So that's why I said there's so

11:46

many things that are just very strange about this case, because

11:48

it wasn't just the three girls. There were

11:50

three other children at the home. Now,

11:54

I don't know the exact ages of

11:56

those siblings, but the fact that you

11:58

have a total of six

11:59

children. in the home, but only three

12:01

of them are, you know, go missing.

12:04

And according to their mother, she

12:06

gets a call from the cousin saying the

12:08

girls are missing. And she's like, well, what do you mean

12:10

they're missing?

12:11

But one thing, Laura, didn't the autopsy

12:13

also say that they were all sexually assaulted? All

12:15

three of the girls were sexually assaulted. And

12:18

that there weren't just lacerations on

12:21

the girls' faces, but one girl's face

12:23

was like had been beaten.

12:26

I'm just in shock over...

12:28

Well, has

12:30

that been confirmed that the autopsy

12:32

does say that? Because I didn't... I mean, I didn't

12:34

find that information. I did hear mom say

12:37

in a recent interview that she's been

12:39

led to believe that the girls

12:41

were molested, but they were found with

12:43

their full clothes on. It was their shoes

12:46

that they were missing. And the one

12:48

side of the aerial's face, they

12:50

believed it was a beating, but her skin

12:54

had been torn and she had

12:56

to have her face reconstructed for

12:58

the funeral. So again,

13:00

just to say something about that, we don't know

13:02

whether that was animal predation for

13:04

example, but we do know that the

13:07

two younger girls had their lips

13:09

busted. And that sounds more like it was a

13:12

beating, but I do think it's interesting.

13:14

The oldest had that level of

13:17

injury, whether it was animal predation and Jim

13:19

and I would, the bodies were in that pond

13:21

for a number of hours. We

13:23

know that they were missing from eight

13:26

o'clock, but mom was informed at

13:28

nine o'clock. Now she is a certified

13:30

registered nurse. She was at

13:32

work. And as you said, Amara,

13:35

the cousin called her up and said, your kids are

13:37

missing. He didn't specify exactly

13:40

who and how many. And

13:42

she called the police, I believe around 10

13:45

o'clock. And then there was a search

13:47

and then the bodies were found around 2 a.m.

13:49

So there's a period of time where their

13:51

bodies were in the water. And

13:54

the other strange circumstances

13:57

around the case is that Tamari's

13:59

tennis shoe.

13:59

were found crossed over each

14:02

other in the mud by the pond.

14:05

There was a footprint that was found in

14:08

the mud. And I don't know if that was an adult-sized

14:10

footprint or a child footprint, but

14:13

there was also a bicycle found and

14:15

a scooter. So for law enforcement's

14:17

perspective, when they're doing this search, given

14:19

that this was 200 yards away, all

14:22

indications are the body of water would

14:25

need to be searched. And of course they recover

14:27

the three little girls. But I found, I just want

14:30

to quote what Lieutenant Jones

14:32

said, which I found very bizarre. This was at

14:34

the time that they were found. He said that

14:36

he didn't know if the girls were good swimmers

14:39

and that they didn't have life jackets on,

14:41

which I thought was a really bizarre comment.

14:44

You only have life jackets on when you're

14:46

on a boat. Right, not at

14:48

a pond, but given the mindset. Like you said, on a boat,

14:51

not even intending to swim because you can't swim with a life vest on,

14:53

so. It's such a random

14:55

comment that even that comment on its

14:58

own wouldn't give me too much faith about

15:00

who's investigating it. And I think mum

15:03

had said right from the start, she suspected

15:05

foul play. And I just wonder,

15:07

Amara, how much her voice has been heard

15:10

in amongst other people talking

15:12

to her and maybe telling her not to talk about

15:14

what happened. And I do just want to acknowledge how

15:16

absolutely devastating this

15:19

must be for her and the family.

15:21

I talk as a mother of one little

15:23

boy, but to have three babies

15:25

brutally murdered in this

15:28

way. And for this time to

15:30

have passed without any answers,

15:33

that's why she spoke out to the Daily Beast and she

15:35

said she didn't give her, she didn't care

15:37

who she upset, she wanted answers

15:39

and she's demanding

15:40

them. I don't think that's important. And

15:43

sadly, she was saying in

15:45

that Daily Beast article that people have been harassing

15:47

her and accusing her

15:49

of things. And it's

15:52

a shame, it's like you said, I

15:54

too am a mother, I have nine year old twin

15:57

boys. My oldest daughter, she's 14,

15:59

but her.

15:59

Nohyima Isamiah also. So

16:02

this is very, very close to

16:04

me. I feel very close and I feel heartbroken

16:07

for this mother. And because

16:09

we don't know the details,

16:10

and that I partially do blame on the

16:12

police, because if we had a little bit more

16:15

information, then maybe people wouldn't be giving

16:17

this type of energy to the mother. We

16:19

know that there's a possibility that parents

16:23

are responsible for their children's murder.

16:24

We know that this happens. It's not,

16:26

that's something that that's not unheard of, but

16:29

without any facts, all

16:32

we do know is that this mother's children,

16:34

three of her children were murdered. Right,

16:36

and we also know the mother was out working

16:38

that work. Yeah, we know that she went to

16:40

work. If we walk back the time- And there was a

16:42

babysitter. So there was a caregiver

16:44

there. Right, so we know that she went to work.

16:47

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A

20:00

lot of the comments were like, well, where's the mother? Well, where's

20:02

the family? Well, why isn't the family speaking out? Well, if

20:04

that was my child, I'd be doing X, Y, and

20:06

Z. And people fail to realize that, number

20:08

one, everybody is not social media savvy.

20:11

Everybody doesn't know what to do.

20:13

And a lot of times, even when

20:15

they try, they're ignored. I've

20:18

told many a story where family has gone

20:20

to the media. They begged for them to cover

20:22

the story, and they won't do it. So to

20:24

make an assumption, you know, it was a lot of assumptions

20:26

being made about this mother and about what she

20:28

did or didn't do. And

20:31

that was never my intention. I wanted to focus

20:34

on what the law enforcement is not telling

20:36

us and what the media is not telling us. And people are like, well,

20:38

maybe the media isn't talking about it because there's

20:41

no information. Well, that's never stopped the media

20:43

from talking about some people. Right. And the

20:45

fact is,

20:45

we interviewed

20:48

the women that started Black and Missing, and

20:51

they had the same exact issue. We

20:53

interviewed the women who were involved in

20:56

the Native American, murdered

20:59

and missing women. And the same thing

21:01

happened with them. There's a little bit

21:03

of a pattern here. And the

21:05

fact is that there are people, mainly

21:08

people of color, who are not

21:11

able to get the media involved,

21:13

which then doesn't stir the

21:15

police department to be involved. So

21:19

in this case, though,

21:20

there is a huge gap

21:23

between the time that the bodies were discovered

21:25

and the time, March 23, when

21:28

the autopsy report was released

21:30

and the police asked for cooperation

21:32

of the public. That should have been done immediately,

21:35

both of those things. And even if they

21:37

didn't have the autopsy reports, immediately

21:40

they should have asked for cooperation of the

21:42

public to find out if anybody

21:44

was driving by at that time, anybody who

21:46

saw anything or heard anything or knew anything

21:48

about the people that were involved here.

21:50

Now,

21:51

I have to say that I don't know anything

21:53

about this male cousin. But

21:55

a 31-year-old male who is

21:58

responsible.

21:59

should be able to babysit

22:02

kids of this age group. I don't know if

22:04

the other three are older than these

22:07

children or younger than these children.

22:09

So

22:09

I'm not sure. They're all the children are under 10. So there are 10

22:12

of them. Yeah. And one of them was four.

22:14

And she said that the three

22:17

sisters went into the woods with

22:19

him.

22:20

That's what the four year old reported. Wow.

22:23

So to give that context and to give you another piece

22:25

of information Jim about the babysitter's

22:28

criminal history, because he does have a

22:30

criminal history, which included misdemeanor

22:33

weapons, narcotics, criminal

22:35

mischief arrests,

22:37

which I'm not really sure would fall under that,

22:40

but he does have a criminal history. And it sounds

22:42

like he hasn't been spoken with, but I do

22:44

think that the four year old,

22:47

what she said is significant given

22:49

the circumstances

22:49

of the case. When did she make that

22:51

statement? Because if she made that statement

22:54

when they were missing,

22:56

my God. We don't know. There's so many

22:58

unanswered questions. There is just so many.

23:00

And I mean, that is the elephant in the room that

23:02

he has not been questioned by the police by

23:05

any of the reporting that I've seen. He has not made

23:07

a statement that he has deliberately and

23:09

his mother have deliberately said, we're not going to speak

23:11

to the police. So that's a big, huge

23:13

question Mark, in my mind. And why did

23:15

he go to the neighbor? We

23:18

should go back to the timeline for a second. Okay,

23:20

go ahead. Because Ms. Wickerson went to work

23:22

at 1 p.m. for her job as a nurse's aide,

23:25

and which

23:26

she went to work in Texarkana, which is about 20 miles

23:28

away. And she left them in the

23:30

care of her cousin. Now this is the summertime, right?

23:32

This is every mother's nightmare, right? What do you

23:34

do with your kids during the summertime? It's hard enough

23:36

when you have two parents taking care of children

23:39

during the school year, but if you're a single mom,

23:42

there are no dads involved here, no financial

23:44

help for her. She's got to figure out

23:46

what to do with all these precious babies while

23:49

she's at work. Thank you for saying that, Lisa,

23:51

because focusing on mothers and what they

23:53

did and didn't do, and we don't talk about the fathers,

23:56

where are they in this? What was going

23:58

on with them? No one's, they're not.

23:59

catching heat. But yes, go back to

24:02

the timeline. Yeah. So she calls them.

24:04

She calls them at home at around four

24:06

or five in the evening to check on them. They're

24:08

supposed to be having dinner, wrapping up

24:10

the day. It's hot as hell.

24:14

July 29. I looked up that date. It was

24:16

like 103 degrees that day

24:19

and everything was fine. And so she

24:22

hangs up. She continues her work until

24:24

this cousin calls. And apparently he doesn't call

24:26

from the house. He goes to a neighbor's house

24:29

and calls from the neighbor's house. Now these are

24:31

questions. Why did he go to the

24:33

neighbor? Is he going to the neighbor to get help? Why

24:35

is he using that phone? Why is it reported

24:37

that he was sopping wet when he

24:40

came to the neighbor's house? Are you serious?

24:42

This is what I'm reading. This is what Nancy Grace is

24:45

reporting is saying. And this is what the Daily Beast's report

24:47

is saying. So there's

24:49

just a lot of questions and nobody's accusing

24:52

anybody of anything. But why

24:54

has he not been questioned and have all of the

24:56

children been questioned by the police?

24:58

And why wouldn't you volunteer

24:59

that information? If you're the

25:02

babysitter, you're last to see the girls alive,

25:04

right? Why aren't

25:05

you critically important with that information?

25:08

And I think, you know,

25:09

there was just another piece

25:11

of that information, which was he was

25:14

present at the funeral and fell asleep apparently.

25:16

So the behavior, the red flags

25:19

of asking questions to try and get

25:21

this information. I can't even imagine

25:23

how frustrating that must

25:24

be for Chamonix, for the mom. The part

25:26

that makes me so like, the part that

25:28

really makes me upset is that, you know, I'm

25:31

thinking about them. If

25:33

what is what we believe to be true is that they haven't been,

25:35

they didn't start investigating this and they haven't been investigating

25:38

for eight months, then I'm thinking about everything

25:40

that they've lost in these eight months.

25:43

The memory of the children, how reliable their

25:45

memories are going to be eight months later. If

25:47

they didn't get statements from them the night that this

25:49

happened, it's just so frustrating

25:52

because a case that really, you

25:54

know, if, if, if it had been investigated,

25:56

might've been solved right

25:58

away is.

25:59

now who knows? Right.

26:02

And when you tell me though that these

26:05

kids

26:06

were discovered, their bodies were discovered

26:08

within hours of them being reported

26:11

missing, yet there was

26:13

no investigation. There was

26:15

no follow-up investigation. If

26:17

this information that he called from

26:20

another house, he didn't go back to the house where

26:22

these other kids were, he called

26:25

soaking wet.

26:26

Those details, when you're talking about

26:28

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26:29

who supposedly was at that house

26:31

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26:33

didn't leave, but then knowing

26:35

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26:38

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a very sad update tonight on a story we first

28:06

reported on last summer in July of 2022.

28:09

Three siblings reported missing were found

28:12

dead inside a nearby pond. That

28:14

news shocked the entire community and the Atlanta

28:16

school district where there's Children attended class.

28:19

Now we're learning the Texas Rangers are investigating

28:21

their deaths as a homicide after autopsy

28:23

reports returned showing evidence of

28:26

strangulation. The girls also suffered

28:28

some lacerations to their faces. Authorities

28:31

say multiple witness statements have been

28:33

obtained. DNA testing is ongoing

28:35

and that investigation will continue.

28:38

If anybody has any information about their

28:40

deaths call Texas Ranger Josh

28:42

Mason at 903 255-5727.

28:53

There

28:53

are missed opportunity there Jim and Laura

28:55

for the for the police to actually collect evidence

28:57

from his body. Of course. Like does he have

28:59

scratches? Does he have? And the footprint

29:02

as well. You know, at the time they

29:05

see a footprint but we don't know whether it's

29:07

an adult footprint.

29:07

This is in the mud or whether they

29:09

were strangled and placed in that

29:12

body of water. So I doubt that it's the girls

29:14

any of the girls footprint. So did they preserve

29:17

it exactly Jim? All of this is

29:19

very important investigative opportunities

29:22

that have been missed that you never get back. It

29:24

will never come back round again. People's

29:27

memories being jogged and so

29:29

on. You know and the police. I mean I don't

29:31

know

29:31

how close the houses

29:34

are. You know I know you know I live in the city

29:36

so we're all very close together but I know

29:38

you know in the country in the suburbs people tend to be a little

29:40

further. So I don't know when where the next house was

29:43

but I'm thinking three girls in the woods

29:45

even if he started attacking one of them did they scream?

29:47

Where there's where they're you know all of these things

29:50

that would have been happening in that moment because it's hard for

29:52

him to believe that there was no reaction from

29:54

them if he started attacking one of

29:56

the girls and the other two girls even if they were scared

29:59

you know where they're screaming. were there, did anybody

30:01

else hear anything? But like we said,

30:03

if there was no initial investigation, if they

30:06

just took these girls, said they drowned,

30:08

and then case closed until the

30:10

autopsy was done, for whatever reason, however

30:12

long that, I mean, why that was taking so long,

30:15

then we didn't- What were the girls buried? I

30:18

believe within, oh, you know, I'm

30:20

not exactly sure. I would assume that it was- Well,

30:23

if they were buried within a week or so

30:26

of the discovery of their bodies,

30:29

then the autopsies had to have been done before

30:31

that, unless they exhumed them. I

30:33

haven't heard of anybody exhuming them. So

30:36

these autopsies and their

30:38

conclusions should have been

30:40

present

30:41

months ago, many months ago. Unless

30:44

they were waiting, it is possible they were waiting

30:46

for toxicology reports, but they shouldn't

30:48

take eight months

30:50

to make a determination. But there wasn't going to fund me, Jim. Mom

30:52

had to go fund me to raise money to

30:54

be able to bury the girls, and I

30:56

don't know whether that delayed things as well.

30:59

So I don't have a date for when the funeral

31:01

took place, but it is very

31:03

bizarre.

31:04

I just found an obituary

31:06

for Zaireal, and it said that the

31:09

funeral was held on August 13th at 1

31:12

p.m. They said, we'll have a funeral service. Now, whether it was

31:14

a memorial and there was a, that I wouldn't,

31:16

I obviously don't know, but they did have a funeral for two

31:19

weeks after that. Yeah, two

31:21

weeks after their

31:23

bodies were discovered.

31:25

So that tells me that

31:27

unless they were exhumed,

31:29

there would have been autopsies, they

31:31

had to have been done in the first week

31:34

or so after the bodies were discovered.

31:36

That means that this information

31:39

was not acted upon by the police. That

31:41

means that

31:43

this cousin who

31:46

absolutely needed to be

31:48

questioned and fingerprinted

31:50

and get his DNA, all

31:52

of that can be done legally

31:54

through the criminal process,

31:57

whether he wants to cooperate or not.

32:00

So we have so much more to talk about

32:02

you know when i first started looking at this case i

32:04

wondered how much they would actually be available

32:07

for us to discuss but actually

32:10

there is quite a lot, what there

32:12

is certainly more questions than we have

32:14

on so we gotta get you back

32:16

tomorrow we really want to carry on talking with you

32:19

so i'm really happy that you're gonna be

32:21

joining us next week again to talk about

32:23

the aerial, robinson oliver amaya

32:26

hues tamari robinson

32:28

oliver three little girls

32:30

who are under the age of ten and

32:32

deserve our attention and

32:34

deserve accountability and justice

32:37

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