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Hello, and welcome to save your protection of I Heartradio

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and staff media. I'm Any and I'm Lauren Vogelbaum.

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And today we're talking about s cargo

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and snail eating in general, and

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we are thrilled to do so. If you couldn't

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tell, I am so excited. Snails

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are so weird and cool and

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cute and tasty. Yeah,

0:27

surprisingly present in our pop culture. He

0:29

was thinking about, especially in children's

0:32

stuff. I guess, but carry the snail.

0:34

Whatever that snail is from, I wanna. I guess he

0:36

was a snail bunches of snails.

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Yes, yes, I had

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scargo for the first time when I was in high

0:44

school and my older brother wanted to go

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to this newly opened French restaurant for his

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birthday. And as I've said several times on the

0:50

show, I grew up in a very small town.

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This was exciting news totally.

0:56

He ordered some s cargo for the table,

0:58

despite my dad's flat bewilderment

1:01

that anyone would want to eat snails

1:04

and at that price exactly.

1:07

That's really what got him. I think he

1:09

refused to try them, but everyone else enjoyed them.

1:11

And I mean they're drowning in butter. And garlic,

1:14

or at least these particular iterations and

1:16

a lot of iterations I have are

1:18

yes, that is the I think that's the only way I've

1:20

ever eaten them, like in garlic

1:23

butter, perhaps more garlic butter

1:25

than snail right by weight,

1:27

right, Um yeah, yeah,

1:29

we we uh down at Disney.

1:31

We've had snails a couple of times. Yeah.

1:34

So the first time we went to Disney Food and Wine,

1:36

we got an es Cargo croissant

1:39

at France and

1:41

Epcot at France,

1:44

we got it at France, we did um.

1:46

Yeah. And when we were at Bell's Castle

1:48

for dinner because Annie makes reservations

1:51

like that, um, we had an

1:53

escargo appetizer so taste. Oh it was so

1:55

good. I'm so glad you reminded me of that. That was only

1:58

months ago me or months ago. Um.

2:00

And right before we started recording this,

2:03

I was looking up a board game I used to play

2:05

called Snail's Pace Race, and

2:07

through that I discovered that snail racing

2:10

is a real thing. It's a humorous

2:12

event featuring two or more snails.

2:15

That race of primarily in the UK,

2:18

and I think the first year took

2:21

place was in

2:23

London. The first official competition. It's

2:25

called the Guinness gastro Pod Championship.

2:29

Guinness Gastropod Championship. Yes,

2:31

and it was commentated

2:33

on by a horse racing

2:36

fellow, like a guy who commented on horse

2:38

races, John mcker

2:40

Rick mccurriic. Sorry miss pronouncing

2:43

that, but he started the race

2:45

with ready steady. And

2:49

I just found this like right before

2:52

we started recording, and I'm so bummed. I'm glad I

2:54

found it. But the whole world awaits

2:56

yeah, world, Well, I'm looking

2:58

forward to the rest of your afternoon for you, Annie,

3:00

thank you, thank

3:02

you. But this this episode

3:05

is loosely inspired by our

3:07

cinnamon rourle episode because they are sometimes

3:09

called cinnamon snails, and that makes about

3:12

as much sense as any other topic we choose

3:14

in the relationship or lack thereof between.

3:18

But I guess this brings us to our question escargo

3:25

What are they? Well? Escargo

3:28

is the French term for cooked snails,

3:30

and it's one of those words that sort of like beef that

3:32

the English language has just widely adopted

3:35

to mean the cooked version of that thing. Right,

3:38

Um, A few species of snail are eaten.

3:40

There's a corn new asper, some otherwise

3:42

known as the brown garden snail or the common

3:44

European snail or uh in

3:47

French, the petit gree or a little

3:49

gray um. There's another species

3:51

called Helix licorum, which

3:53

is also sometimes sold as petit gree anyway.

3:57

Um. Then there's also

3:59

the Elix palmattia, which

4:01

is also called the Burgundy snail or Roman snail.

4:04

All of these are land snails land snails.

4:07

Some giant land snails

4:09

like the size of your palm, are also

4:11

eaten in parts of Africa, and a few species

4:13

of marine snails are commonly eaten

4:15

in Southeast Asia and up into China and Japan,

4:18

also around Greece and Italy. Right. All

4:21

of these, though, are members of the

4:23

class gas Troopoto, which are invertebrates,

4:26

including those slugs which do not grow shells, and

4:28

snales which do. The

4:30

part of snails that's commonly visible

4:32

outside the shell is called the

4:34

head foot because there's

4:37

a head and there's a foot, but there's not really like

4:39

a boundary between them, so it's just the head foot

4:41

um. It's muscily on one end and

4:43

has sensory tentacles on the other end.

4:46

Um Land snails have a

4:48

mucous coat to keep their bodies moist

4:50

and then hidden inside the

4:52

shell. Snails have what's called a visceral

4:55

hump what um,

4:57

which is the part of their body that contains

4:59

most of their idle organs um.

5:01

Generally, snales are prepared whole,

5:04

so if you're eating, when you're eating all of that, you're

5:06

getting the visual hump in there. You are hum.

5:11

Also in the gastropod class are abalone

5:13

and conk, So if you've had those, congrats,

5:16

you're eating stale. Bet. Some people like,

5:19

that's fine, you're good. Yeah, they're delicious.

5:22

Yeah, you wouldn't be good if you eat some types of

5:24

snails. All sales are edible. No,

5:26

don't just go eating snails, willy nilly,

5:29

check it first, um get

5:31

you know, like read a guide on how to prepare them,

5:33

because you don't want to eat them just out of the wild,

5:36

because they could have some toxins or stuff in them

5:38

or parasites. So yeah, read

5:41

a guide. When

5:43

I was little, four

5:45

years old, my my older brother did dare me to

5:47

eat a slug. I did

5:50

eat it for fifty cents because that's all

5:53

you know when you're a kid, that that means a lot. Hey,

5:55

that's a lot. Of money. Right, Uh,

5:58

and be you're still here so I did? Fine,

6:00

Yeah, I'm fine. But

6:03

for anybody listening, perhaps don't take that

6:05

dare from your older brother. Um.

6:08

Eating snails is most common

6:10

in France, Unit Kingdom, Spain, Grease, Italy, into

6:12

a lesser extent other parts of Europe. People

6:14

in these areas not only enjoy them while dining

6:16

out, they make them themselves while

6:18

dining in the traditional French

6:21

preparation involves parsley, butter, garlic,

6:23

and other seasonings, and they are served

6:25

in shell. They are often quite

6:27

expensive, are relatively expensive, I suppose

6:30

if you're comparing like apptisers of a similar

6:32

size. Sure, in places like Grease

6:34

or Italy, snails might be incorporated

6:36

into pasta sauces, which to me sounds amazing.

6:38

Oh I know right, Um. Over in Asia,

6:41

they seem to be most popular in Vietnam, But

6:43

yeah, there are recipes and menu items from all over

6:45

that incorporate snails boiled or grilled

6:48

in shell or out in a sweet or spicy

6:50

chili sauces and curries or other stews

6:52

and black bean sauce. They're also

6:55

super popular in Nigeria. Um cooked into

6:57

a stew with hot peppers and onions and tomatoes,

7:00

and it's hard to find them fresh in the United

7:02

States. Um. Most are imported from

7:04

Europe Asia, candor frozen. Like

7:06

I'm not sure if I've ever had them fresh. Yeah,

7:09

um, but when I have had them, they've

7:11

reminded me of calamari or um. Now

7:14

that I think about, it's sort of like a like a springy cheese curd,

7:16

just smooth and kind of chewy tender. Yeah

7:18

yeah, um, and yeah, I always

7:20

had them in garlic butter. I have

7:23

never really caught much of a flavor of snail

7:26

due to garlic butter. Right,

7:29

texture, texture, right,

7:31

But but apparently they can taste

7:33

a little like vegetal and briny when they're fresh.

7:36

Yeah. I'm really excited now that we've

7:38

done this research because I've never had them,

7:40

not at like a French restaurant. Right.

7:42

Yeah, I want every preparation

7:44

of snail possibly available. I'm

7:46

curious if we went to Beaver Highway

7:49

or something and restaurants over there, if they

7:51

have these preparations of snails,

7:53

like Asian preparations or whatever,

7:56

not French preparations. Yeah,

7:58

apparently we just need to go to Vietnam. Oh

8:00

Okay, Okay, done,

8:03

I'm convinced. You've convinced me, and it was

8:05

snails that did it, among

8:07

other things snails heck

8:11

um and okay, can I can I do

8:13

a snail aside about how amazing

8:16

these creatures are. Yes, before

8:20

we get to the part where people have been eating

8:22

them for a long time and this is a little bit gnarly,

8:24

I'm sorry, they're so weird and great.

8:27

Um. So I'm gonna be brief,

8:29

but but if any of the following strikes your interest,

8:31

definitely go looking for the podcast episodes

8:33

that um Stuff to blow your mind have done

8:36

on slugs and snails. Okay.

8:40

In fact one, snails will eat pretty

8:42

much anything um, depending on the species

8:44

like each other counts. Yeah,

8:47

yeah, yeah, some snails are not all herbivores

8:49

um. But when it comes to the species

8:51

that humans eat, especially in s cargo

8:54

um, the preferred diet is going to be like grains and greens

8:56

and soil, because you've got

8:58

to get a lot of minerals, including alum to build up

9:00

these shells UM. When they're farmed

9:02

are collected, they're given a special non dirt

9:05

diet for their final week or so to

9:07

um to purge them of any soil

9:09

or other stuff that humans wouldn't want to eat that's still

9:11

in their digestive tract, similar to how oysters

9:14

are treated. Um. Washington

9:16

Post reported that sometimes chefs special

9:18

order snails fed with things like mint

9:21

during their purge to give them that

9:23

flavor. We

9:26

have to talk about snail reproduction, okay,

9:30

So snails are hermaphrodites, meaning that they

9:32

each have both male and female

9:34

reproductive organs. In order to reproduce,

9:37

they have sex with a partner in mating sequences

9:39

that last four to twelve hours during

9:42

which each partner can inseminate, and each

9:44

can be inseminated and involved

9:46

in this process in many land snail species

9:48

anyway, are what's called love darts. These

9:52

are spears of calcium carbonate

9:55

or kitan that a snail will poke

9:57

out of its body and an attempt to stab

9:59

its partner with, and it's coated in like a

10:01

hormone mucus, and if it lands correctly

10:04

and its partner, it will increase its partner's

10:06

chances of inseeven nation romantic.

10:09

I know, Oh

10:12

yeah, there's too much about

10:14

snail sex to really get into here,

10:16

but you totally look up this stuff to blow your

10:18

Mind episodes. UM, there's My

10:21

Slimy Valentine, the Slug Life from

10:24

UM, Weird Wonders of House Gastropata

10:26

from and an interview

10:29

with a marine biologist from nineteen when

10:32

I was first getting to know Robert Um. He

10:34

and Julie did that Valentine's episode and Robert

10:37

hand drew this set of slug Valentine's

10:39

with crayon and they're wonderful. I'll

10:42

see if I can find them to post on social Yeah,

10:45

I'm pretty sure I edited that one when

10:48

I was editor of that show, UM,

10:50

and it was wonderful. And also I believe

10:53

I read somewhere that the love

10:55

darts is where like cupids, arrow comes

10:58

from the inspiration and for keep

11:00

it and keep itsarrow. That might just be wishful

11:04

thinking of someone, so some interesting

11:07

person's part, but I did read that in at least

11:09

two places, So that is

11:11

that is just something. It

11:14

is something, UM. And

11:16

if all of that hasn't weirded you out enough, you can

11:18

also buy and eat snail caviar love

11:22

it. Apparently it's going to earth be in like sweet

11:24

like carrots. Maybe that's

11:26

what I've seen it compared with snail

11:28

caviare is not a thing I've ever

11:30

considered. Nope, until this

11:33

very moment. So this is the first time experiencing

11:35

right now. All

11:38

right, what about nutrition? Uh,

11:41

snails alone once

11:44

you know before the butter thing,

11:46

um, are pretty good for you. Um, They're a great source of protein,

11:48

low and fat. What is in there is like good

11:50

fats. They're high in micronutrients

11:53

like vitamin E, magnesium and iron, lots

11:55

of vimins and minerals in there. Um.

11:57

Yeah, they're they're being investigated

11:59

for more widespread use. Is inexpensive

12:01

and readily available and nutritious protein, and

12:03

developing countries that can be more environmentally

12:06

friendly than larger animals like pigs and cattle and

12:08

even chicken. Yeah, going

12:10

on for the snail, there is and

12:13

literally there's a lot going on globally.

12:16

Billions of snails are eaten each year,

12:18

an annual thirty thousand metric

12:20

tons in France alone. That's sixty

12:22

six million pounds or approximately

12:25

a billion of the critters, assuming that they're each

12:27

about an ounce. According

12:30

to a report by NPR, the

12:32

French delicacy of Burgundy snails Escorto

12:35

de bocan no longer come from

12:38

Burgundy nope. Instead,

12:40

they come from Hungary or somewhere else in Europe,

12:42

and probably Eastern Europe. One of

12:45

them, according to one of their interview subjects,

12:47

director of the company croke borgone Um.

12:50

That company packages one thousand snails

12:52

an hour, placing pre cooked SRG

12:55

into shells of the right size, and they

12:57

sell millions a year. There

12:59

is an institute of German snail breeding.

13:02

Wow, they

13:04

take it seriously. Man. My brain

13:07

kind of sluttered for a minute over that fact.

13:09

They will take you on tours of farms so that you can

13:11

see how they work. I want to go. Oh,

13:15

I hope someone who's listening has gone and can tell us

13:17

how amazing. It is an

13:20

association that represents ten industrial

13:22

food businesses that import Burgundy

13:24

snails into France makes about eighty seven

13:27

million dollars over

13:32

harvesting, construction, agriculture and other

13:34

facets of industrialization majorly

13:36

depleted France's wild snail population.

13:40

They're about three snail farmers in France

13:42

combined. They make up five percent of the market

13:44

and most of the snails they farm are two

13:46

of the lesso snails. Particularree

13:49

and grow green, little gray and big gray.

13:51

In about

13:54

one and forty academic papers were

13:56

published about endangered snails.

13:58

They are in all kinds of trouble. There's a

14:00

carnivorous worm called the new Guinea

14:02

flatworm that's hugely invasive and eats

14:04

snails and other soil dwelling creatures like earthworms,

14:07

which uh, you know we don't usually

14:09

eat, but also really helped like

14:11

airate and fertilized soil and farms and gardens.

14:13

So it's another agricultural animal,

14:17

yes, kind of. Yeah. Yeah.

14:19

Snails are also just so sensitive

14:21

to issues that are affecting all

14:23

kinds of farmers, climate change and pollution

14:25

and certain pesticides. The

14:29

US imports a decent amount of a cargo from

14:31

Europe as there are only two

14:34

U s d A certified snail farms in the United

14:36

States. This is largely because of the snails

14:38

rightfully earned reputation as

14:40

an invasive species. Oh yeah, more

14:42

on that in the history section. But they will

14:45

eat you out of house at home, Yeah, they will,

14:48

to the point that it is illegal on

14:50

a federal level to take a live

14:52

snail across state lines. Oh

14:55

dear, if

14:57

you have a hitchhiking snail, man's

14:59

straight to prison for me. Not

15:03

that I've ever done it. Absolutely

15:05

not, not that you ever would,

15:08

of course, but yeah, um

15:10

that first snail farm, Um, it only

15:13

managed to get started so after

15:15

like three years of cutting through red

15:17

tape. And it is a three square

15:19

foot greenhouse about twenty square meters

15:21

that is. And yeah, they reported to the Washington Post

15:24

that althose snails can't hear. They're

15:26

very sensitive to vibration, heat and light, and

15:28

if you stress them out, they produce so much

15:30

slime as a defense mechanism and

15:32

it gets really gross, really fast. So you don't

15:35

want to do that. You want to keep them chill. Yeah.

15:37

Uh. Also, yeah, they have to

15:39

be super careful not to let their livestock

15:41

escape into the surrounding countryside because those

15:43

buddies would wreak havoc on the farms

15:45

and vineyards. So so they

15:48

surround the snails living containers

15:50

with trays of concentrated salt water so

15:54

that they would dive they fell into them, hypothetically,

15:57

but just in case. The greenhouse has

15:59

a dead perim there twelve ft by twelve feet,

16:01

kept free of vegetation, just to

16:03

be sure, can't let those

16:05

snails escape. And

16:08

they may have a hundred thousand snails

16:11

in there at any given time. Wow.

16:13

Yeah, vertical vertical spacing, man, I

16:16

love it. I want to see the snail movie

16:19

of the the attempt to escape from this

16:21

place, the Great Escape,

16:23

the Great slow Escape. Oh

16:27

yeah, I think this thing has legs.

16:30

It has

16:32

but one but one foot head. Oh

16:37

this is so exciting. I want

16:39

to check out that place too. Yeah.

16:41

Yes, the whole snail tour. Absolutely.

16:44

Uh. And you can mark your gallendars for national

16:46

As Cargo Day on Also,

16:50

there is a yearly festival in Spain. Uh

16:52

my, my Cadalan is probably

16:55

terrible. I think it's called Del

16:57

car goal um. But it

16:59

is a snail centered culinary festival and

17:01

it's three days of food and music

17:04

and acrobats and clowns

17:06

and snail races and there's a parade

17:08

and twelve tons of snails were eaten there in twenty

17:11

nineteen twenty seconds.

17:14

And I want to go so much. That sounds

17:16

amazing. And

17:20

snail festival. Oh

17:22

the timing, by the way, on both of those,

17:25

the Nationalist Cargo Day and this fest

17:27

is not a coincidence. Um. Snails

17:29

are sometimes harvested

17:31

in early summer after they lay their eggs, so that's

17:34

one of the like Prime snail harvest

17:36

times. Well, we

17:38

are looking for our next destination

17:41

and we have some months to plans.

17:45

If anyone has ever been to this or

17:47

any other snail related festival, let

17:50

us know. This is extremely important

17:53

information to my life. It

17:55

is, it is. Oh

17:59

anyway, um, we do

18:01

have some history for you. But

18:03

first we're going to take a quick break for a word

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back after more discussion off

18:20

air about snail sex. And

18:23

you know, Lauren, I

18:25

think you've got me beat in the interesting

18:28

facts for the episode. I you

18:30

know, I did a lot of readings. Yeah, yeah,

18:34

I hope that a lot of people ask you what you were reading

18:36

and you you happily explained

18:38

to them. I think that there's going

18:40

to be some really good posts on Twitter

18:43

later today. So after

18:46

this comes out, you know, just go back, go

18:48

back, check those all of the

18:51

illustrations. Illustrations.

18:56

Yeah, this is this is

18:59

a well reased arched territory. I will

19:01

have you know, I'm not the only person

19:03

who's really fascinated by

19:06

snail and slug reproduction. If I

19:08

find out that you've got multiple pseudonyms

19:10

and all of this research is just you. I

19:13

won't tell anybody, but I'm starting to have some suspicions,

19:16

is all I'm saying. Well,

19:20

anyway, anyway, they

19:22

are a food podcast. We are,

19:25

so I guess, I guess let's talk

19:27

about the food portion. I

19:30

do love how often we have to remind ourselves

19:32

and others this is a food podcast. But

19:35

that is in fact how we are classified on

19:37

most podcasting apparatus apparatti,

19:40

sometimes even as cooking. And I'm like, oh no, no, do

19:43

not take this isn't certainly not a cooking podcast.

19:46

No, but if that's how we get higher in apples,

19:48

I'll algorithm. I'm into it. Yeah, what

19:52

cooking. That's a great plan. It is

19:55

alright, Well anyway again,

19:58

side a side a second anyway, Um,

20:00

Snails have been on humanity's

20:03

menu for at long time.

20:06

Historians believe that our prehistoric ancestors

20:08

counted land snails as part of their

20:11

diet. Ancient Romans consumed snails,

20:13

even farming them to stay up

20:16

to date, up to date, current with demand.

20:19

But yet it goes back way further than that.

20:21

Yeah, it does. Evidence indicates

20:23

folks in what is now Tanzania have been eating

20:25

land snails for thirty one thousand

20:28

years. People were eating land

20:30

snails thirty thousand years ago in the

20:32

Mediterranean, new research suggests

20:35

snail research. The researchers

20:37

examined snail shells from human dwellings in

20:39

Spain and learned about how snails

20:41

were prepared during that time. The ideal

20:43

snail was a year or so old and cooked

20:46

over pine and juniper coal embers for around

20:48

seven minutes and sounds

20:51

love ancient snail recipe m. The

20:54

study found that a different method was used in what is

20:56

now Algeria. They would place the snails

20:58

between two heated stone layers and a hearthpit

21:01

and boil them. Yeah, and

21:04

this discovery contradicts long held

21:06

beliefs that the diets of early Homo sapiens

21:08

were narrow, a contradiction that other

21:10

recent research supports the diets

21:12

of Homo sapiens were far more married than

21:15

we'd previously thought. Fascinating

21:18

And oh no, they

21:20

used the BP time designation.

21:23

I'm sorry before physics for

21:26

physics first mentioned in our Rise

21:28

episode, still gives me anxiety

21:30

dreams, Oh oh oh,

21:32

I love it, but it's just you want to get

21:34

things right, and another

21:37

layer of thinking about again

21:41

food podcast. I

21:45

thought there's something written about snails in their

21:47

shells, and time is a spiral

21:49

and lots of inspiration

21:52

for art, absolutely yes,

21:55

And speaking of inspiration, are about

21:57

plenty of the elder. He wrote about snail

22:00

farming taking place in Italy as early as fifty

22:02

C. The Italian man plenty

22:04

sighted fluvious Harpanus

22:07

fed his snails meat and wine,

22:10

which is indicative of how highly they were

22:12

regarded. Damn snail,

22:15

Yeah, get in things. I don't get

22:17

either of those things. As

22:20

early as two see, Greek

22:22

author Gallin wrote, all the Greeks

22:25

eat snails every day. Yeah.

22:27

Yeah. For early Greeks,

22:29

peasants were primarily the ones consuming

22:32

snails. They were fairly easy to catch and

22:34

to cook. M

22:37

I've never really tried to catch a snail. Yeah,

22:40

they don't put up a whole lot of because

22:42

you see one and then you pick

22:44

it up. That's it. The

22:46

chase is over after it barely

22:48

begun. It's finding them as

22:51

the key guys. Yeah, all right. Vo

22:53

Hong Lean, author of Rice and Back Get

22:55

A History of Food in Vietnam, posits that people

22:57

were eating sales in Vietnam long before the

23:00

wrench were albeit freshwater snails

23:02

um, for those that could not afford to eat

23:04

a farm animal or you know, things that

23:07

took more resources. I suppose snails

23:09

were cheap and easy. They were, and are

23:12

boiled with lemon grass and then dipped in a sauce.

23:15

Snails were viewed as an acceptable food during lent,

23:18

and monks kept gardens of them for that

23:21

purpose. But later, during the Middle

23:23

Ages, the Capital c Church considered

23:25

eating snails on green only

23:28

the starving ate them, and for a while the

23:30

practice of eating snails almost died out in Europe.

23:32

They were still eaten by poor folks,

23:34

though, and they would become posh

23:37

again in the seventeen and eighteen hundreds in some parts

23:39

of Europe, I think, maybe particularly in Austria,

23:41

where yeah, nobles might have had dedicated

23:44

snail farms on their estates pretty

23:46

pretty often. Um and they were

23:48

thought to be yep, an

23:50

aphrodisiac and a promoter of male

23:53

ver reality. So that's however

23:55

many topics we've done, minus one for

23:57

aphrodisiac and then

24:00

lettuce u not an

24:02

approdisiac. The only thing

24:04

so far we'll find another

24:07

one one of these days, I'm sure. Children

24:10

in Victorian Arab Bristol were sometimes told that

24:12

eating snails was good for their health. It

24:14

was a commonly held belief in that area at the time

24:17

that eating snails could cure tuberculosis.

24:19

Eating snails was a common enough practice

24:22

that they sometimes were called wallfish,

24:26

wall fish, wallfish.

24:28

Okay, that's a that's another pretty good

24:31

fact, like fish that you can find climbing up a wall.

24:34

What's the etymology. I love this. I

24:36

know it's a wall Fishshi

24:38

blues. I'm sure

24:40

that's how. It was exactly exactly

24:43

that escargo de Bourgoten we mentioned earlier,

24:45

that was popularized in the Burgundy region, possibly

24:48

by French wine cellars. In the

24:50

nineteenth century. In a

24:53

French writer and sociolite Helene

24:56

von Zoelen purportedly became the first

24:58

female competitor and an international

25:01

car racing in the Paris Amsterdam

25:03

Paris trail Um, and her

25:05

pseudonym was the snail

25:08

Yeah. Her husband, who was president

25:11

of the Automobile Club de France, also raced

25:13

under the name escargo that

25:16

is so sweet Cuties.

25:21

Sources seemed to indicate that snails for eating made

25:24

it to California by the eighteen fifties. Soon

25:26

after farmers in California were selling

25:28

snails next to the air crops of fruit and vegetables.

25:31

The reason that European garden snails are common

25:34

throughout America is

25:36

that scargo snails like these escaped

25:39

from farms and reproduced everywhere.

25:43

That is probably the kind of snail. If you've ever seen

25:45

a snail in America out in the wild, that's

25:47

probably what it is brought in for escargo first

25:50

love it um. So yeah, those

25:52

farmers might not have been like raising those snails.

25:55

They were selling on purpose, but just making the best

25:57

of of a slimy, slimy situation. And

26:00

that is not the only invasive edible

26:03

snail to plague California. Later

26:05

on in the eight hundreds, a freshwater snail species

26:08

called the Chinese mystery snail or the black snail,

26:11

came into Asian markets in San Francisco and

26:13

escaped into local waterways, where it competes

26:15

with the local wildlife for resources, and its

26:17

shells can clog pipes. Snails

26:21

are sneakier than I thought. I know, right,

26:23

They just get into places. Okay,

26:26

another movie idea, What if there's

26:29

a movie like them, you know, with a big ants,

26:31

but with a big snail and

26:34

it's set in San Francisco.

26:37

Yeah, that's all I've got. No,

26:39

I like it. Yeah, let's

26:41

work on this, run with it. And

26:46

yes, snails are not without diseases.

26:48

Um, and so the US has regulations in place

26:50

about the safe foraging, farming, handling, and

26:53

selling of snails for consumption.

26:56

And going back to that Bristol thing, a newspaper

26:58

article from two just gribes a lecture given

27:01

by an Anglican vicar in which he claims

27:03

that Bristols pores would eat snails off the wall.

27:05

That's perhaps, Oh okay, it's all

27:07

coming back, it's all making sense.

27:11

In the same area, in a

27:13

corner reported that the death of a local man

27:15

was not due to the fact he'd

27:17

eating snails the previous day as a lot of Well,

27:22

I'm glad that he figured that one out. Twenty

27:26

century author Patricia high Smith, who wrote

27:29

The Talented Mr Ripley, Two Faces

27:31

of January and Carol, among other things, allegedly

27:34

kept snails as pets and once brought

27:36

one hundred snails and her purse to

27:38

a party so she'd have something

27:40

to talk to. A hundred

27:44

in her purse and her purse at

27:46

a party. Sure,

27:49

yeah, I

27:52

suppose also not

27:55

go to the party, stay home

27:57

with your sales. But if you're trying to get

28:00

out there hundred

28:02

snails though, right, this, this,

28:05

this is what's upsetting or this is what's like incredible

28:07

to me about the situation. Not that a woman would

28:10

bring snails to a party because

28:12

they would be a better conversation partner than the other people

28:14

there feel that, But

28:16

a hundred I'm like that's overkill. Yeah,

28:19

then you're just stressing yourself out the

28:21

snails, or maybe

28:23

it was so the snails could talk to oh

28:27

never never guess not. In

28:29

response to de guying snail populations, France

28:31

enacted a law in nineteen seventy nine that placed

28:33

restrictions on commercial collection of wild snails.

28:36

This led to an increased dependence of the French

28:39

on foreign imports of edible snails.

28:41

A handful of snail farmers came together

28:44

in twenty thirteen to petition that packages

28:46

of snails indicate where they

28:48

came from. The concerns in this petition

28:51

made it up to the French Parliament.

28:53

It got all the way to the French Parliament. In

28:55

the end, this labeling was deemed

28:57

optional. So you know,

29:00

snails from prey its or what have you. Yeah,

29:04

well, a lot to be said

29:06

about the world of snails. There

29:08

is, there is. It's

29:10

all delightful and strange. Yeah,

29:13

I know, and I feel like there's so many

29:15

things we could talk about, even

29:18

even more details. Oh yeah, yeah,

29:20

this is this is kind of focusing

29:23

in on a particular yeah,

29:25

region and dish. But I want

29:28

to do I just want to do the Snail

29:30

Show from now on. Snail Show.

29:32

Yeah. I like that snail stuff inside

29:37

the Snail Show, Laura vocal love

29:41

it. News updates

29:44

on snail coverage and

29:46

snail sex that you could ever want, updates

29:50

you'd get on your phone, right. I

29:54

think we have a lot of ideas in here

29:58

that could be do expounded

30:00

upon absolutely and become

30:03

works of art themselves. Yeah, for

30:05

further development you know, into

30:07

it. Well, um,

30:11

I guess that's all we have to say about snails today

30:13

today. Uh, we do have a little

30:16

bit more for you, um. But first

30:18

we've got one more quick break forward from our sponsor and

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30:43

We already did this spiral for the cinnamon role.

30:45

We did, we did. Um, I

30:48

want you guys to know that Annie

30:50

did some some really useful

30:53

um tentacle hands at

30:56

the end of at the end of that for for the

30:59

ey stocks, very visually

31:01

representative on this our audio

31:04

medium. I think it communicates. I

31:06

think you can hear it. Maybe

31:09

that's just in my head, but

31:12

it helps my process, my artistic

31:15

process. There you go, that's the important part. Thank

31:17

you, Brian wrote,

31:20

I graduated from Georgia Tech go jackets in

31:23

and moved to Illinois and then Massachusetts after that.

31:25

But I loved my time in Atlanta. I

31:27

feel like I'm listening to old friends from the past when I get

31:29

a new episode, especially now that you're working in a building

31:31

I remember on Pond stillly On first,

31:35

I'm a bit embarrassed to admit that one

31:37

of my children, like Annie, had their first

31:39

New York City pizza at a Sabarrow.

31:43

One of them is allergic to peanuts, so we have to be careful

31:45

about where we eat, usually sticking to national

31:47

chains that we know are likely to take allergen

31:49

awareness seriously. So when

31:51

we got to n y C just before lunchtime in August

31:54

and went looking for food, the first safe

31:56

thing we found was a Sabarrow

31:59

it wouldn't have been first choice, but I have to

32:01

say it was by far the best Barrow

32:03

pizza I have ever had. There

32:06

you go. I don't know if they

32:08

feel like they have to up their game in New

32:10

York or if the crowds a block from Times

32:12

Square means they sell enough pizza that it's always

32:15

fresh. Either way, it was a decent

32:17

lunch. Second, I'm glad

32:19

to hear that let Us Surprise You is still open.

32:22

I have to disagree with laurence lack of enthusiasm

32:25

for it to be fair. I wasn't

32:27

there for the salad. As

32:31

a hungry college student at the time,

32:34

all you can eat soup and muffins were just the

32:36

thing. I have fond memories of ending

32:38

up uncomfortably stuff because I couldn't stop

32:40

myself from eating just one more chocolate

32:42

chip muffin. But the real point of this message

32:45

is to share a story from several years ago in

32:47

The Boston Globe. When I first read this article

32:49

about Mike Ducacus's habit of saving

32:51

turkey carcasses to make soup, he immediately

32:54

became my hero. My family

32:56

has always had a similar tradition of using Thanksgiving

32:59

leftovers for everything we can think of, including

33:02

soup. It's still my

33:04

goal to make the gravy last as long as the meat,

33:06

so I can finish up the last of it with one final

33:09

hot jerky and gravy sandwich. Oh yeah,

33:11

sounds good. And I always

33:14

make a batch of soup from the carcass. It used

33:16

to annoy my wife that it took up a bunch of space

33:18

in the freezer, but the peanut allergic

33:21

daughter loves it, and we know it's safe, and

33:23

so she has to let She

33:25

stopped complaining when I showed her the follow up

33:27

article. He got do

33:30

carcus seven turkey carcasses

33:32

the year that article was published. Compared

33:34

to that, one batch of soup in the freezer

33:36

doesn't seem so bad. Oh my gosh,

33:40

well, duly noted. I guess I know. I have a

33:42

lot of ideas. Also, I have an update,

33:45

probably not sad, but maybe I

33:47

believe the sabar on Times Square. Yes,

33:54

I didn't make a note of it either way. The

33:56

last time that I was there, I was

33:58

there a few weeks ago. I think

34:00

it was really recent. Oh

34:03

no, or maybe they just announced their closing

34:05

and they haven't closed yet. I heard it through

34:07

some circles. Well, we

34:10

hardly knew me farewell. I'm

34:13

glad to borrow on

34:16

Yeah, Atlanta high fives. Um

34:19

Esther wrote, I just listened to the Turnip

34:21

and Onion episodes back to back, and it put me in the mood

34:23

for some roasted root vegetables. I couldn't find

34:25

turnip at my local store, so I had to settle for beats,

34:28

which, once cut, stay in my cutting board, hands

34:30

and everything else they touch. The last veggie

34:33

I cut up was the onion. While chopping, I

34:35

thought about the chemical reactions you explained in the Onion

34:37

episode. I found it fascinating. When

34:39

I removed one half of the onion from my cutting

34:41

board, I realized that the onion juice had

34:43

taken the majority of the beat stain out

34:45

of the cutting board. I have no idea if there's any

34:47

signs behind this, but it sure worked better

34:50

than don dish soap. I even rubbed it on my hands

34:52

to get the bright pink color off. I just had to

34:54

share I've

34:56

never heard this, but that's great. So so this

34:59

is like a multi step press us. I'm envisioning, like like

35:01

onion, to get the beat off, and

35:03

then like coffee grounds to

35:05

get the onion smell off. Oh

35:08

yeah, yeah, Oh man, that's

35:11

so cool. We've got a lot of people write in about

35:13

Onion doing some pretty neat

35:15

things and and I, as

35:18

someone who has had this beat problem

35:20

before, I'm very

35:22

interested to know that's

35:25

the case. Yeah. Yeah,

35:27

there's maybe follow up Onion Science

35:29

episode and follow up Onion Science,

35:32

or we'll visited it in the beat episode.

35:34

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35:37

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35:39

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35:41

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