Listen to a conversion to with Dr. Michael Klaper about his transition to eating plant based. He talks a lot about how he made his transition—that it took some time to change completely, reminding all of us that change is hard but change in good. Perhaps, because he took some time to transition himself, it makes Dr. Klaper a better doctor—teaching future physicians to meet people where they are. We had a lovely conversation about transition, but also talked about judgment, time and patience. We ended the conversation about Mike telling us all about his initiative to move medicine forward. He now spends his time educating future physicians about the importance of nutrition in healing. Can't wait for you to hear it!