2:00

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2:02

a letterman jacket. The girl was petite

2:04

and pretty. She looked up

2:06

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everything he'd missed out on in high school.

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By the time he got home, Garo

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was so enraged he could barely see

2:33

straight. Edith and the kids

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Garo spent his 17th birthday

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13:12

little information available about his time there,

13:14

but given the institution's strict rules,

13:17

it probably wasn't much of a celebration. Still,

13:20

as far as we know, Garo completed

13:22

his 13-month sentence without incident. In

13:25

April, he was released into the custody of

13:27

his older sister Florence. The two of them

13:29

had always gotten along. For

13:31

now, Garo felt determined to make something

13:33

of himself and leave his troubled youth

13:35

behind. He

13:38

joined the Air Force, perhaps seeking the same

13:40

structure and rigid rules he'd found at the

13:42

Reform School. But he didn't fit

13:44

in there either. Garo had

13:46

a persistent issue with bedwetting, which

13:49

was impossible to hide in such close

13:51

quarters. Unsurprisingly, his

13:53

fellow soldiers mocked him relentlessly.

13:56

No matter what, he was still an

13:58

outcast, and the isolation bird him

14:00

back to violence. Garro

14:02

got in trouble often in the

14:04

military, but the reasons are inconsistent.

14:08

According to author Jim Tracy, in late 1954,

14:11

while stationed at an Air Force base

14:13

in Florida, officials gave the 18-year-old a

14:15

court marshal for fighting. He spent 20

14:17

days in military prison before returning to

14:19

duty. Another report paints

14:21

a more dramatic picture of Garro's record

14:23

in Florida. It claims he was caught

14:26

stealing money from an Air Force sergeant

14:28

and sentenced to six months in military

14:30

prison. Somehow, though, he escaped

14:32

custody and spent several days on the

14:34

run. When he was finally caught,

14:37

he was charged with escape on top of

14:39

petty larceny, and was sentenced to a full

14:41

year in military prison. In

14:44

1955, the Air Force discharged Garro at 19

14:46

years old. It

14:48

was a fitting end to Garro's two years

14:50

of service, most of which he'd spent behind

14:52

bars. But all that time

14:54

locked up hadn't done anything to quell

14:56

his appetite for trouble. Garro

14:58

moved to Albany, where he lived with his sister

15:01

Florence. Over the next year, he

15:03

tried putting life together at a series of

15:05

short-term jobs. In

15:07

April of 1956, just weeks after his 20th birthday,

15:12

Garro was fired from his latest gig in

15:14

the kitchen of a restaurant. The

15:16

reasons are unclear, but he was told

15:18

he wouldn't be receiving his final paycheck.

15:21

Incensed, Garro broke into the restaurant in the

15:23

middle of the night, tore the place apart,

15:25

and tried opening the safe to get his

15:27

money. He must have tripped

15:29

an alarm, though, because he was caught,

15:31

arrested, and charged with burglary, as well

15:34

as attempted larceny. And

15:36

while awaiting trial, a psychiatrist

15:38

named Dr. Walter Osinski examined

15:40

Garro and noted his history

15:42

of bedwetting and head injuries.

15:45

Dr. Osinski concluded that Garro was

15:48

callous, shallow, and lacked empathy. He

15:50

also reportedly diagnosed Garro with

15:52

several personality disorders, but

15:54

the specifics are unclear. borderline

16:00

personality disorder and antisocial

16:03

personality disorder can all feature

16:05

low empathy. The latter

16:07

seems to fit most readily with Garo's

16:09

history. It causes a lack of concern

16:11

for other people's rights and feelings, a

16:14

disregard for social norms and

16:16

difficulty learning from one's past

16:18

mistakes. In the end,

16:20

Garo was given a suspended sentence and promptly

16:23

skipped town once he was free on probation.

16:27

He spent the next few months bouncing

16:29

around upstate New York doing manual labor.

16:32

At 21 he had no

16:34

direction, no ambitions and few

16:36

prospects. Perhaps most

16:38

importantly, he was lonely. He

16:41

never really built a lasting connection to anyone

16:43

besides his sisters. He was

16:45

determined to change that. In

16:49

the summer of 1956, while

16:51

he was working on a farm near the

16:53

small village of Lao-Ville, he attended a local

16:55

dance. That's where he

16:58

met 18-year-old Edith, who had graduated from high

17:00

school that summer. The

17:02

details of their courtship are mysterious. Given

17:05

his troubled past and lack of social graces,

17:07

we have no idea what Edith saw in

17:10

Garo. Perhaps by this point

17:12

he had begun to mask his true

17:14

self, hiding his insecurity behind bravado.

17:17

If that's true, it clearly worked, because the

17:19

couple married in June 1957, almost a year

17:23

after meeting. Over the

17:25

next couple of years, the pair built a

17:27

life together. They had two children, Robert

17:29

Jr. and Michelle, before moving back

17:31

to Albany. For a

17:34

while, it seemed becoming a family man had helped

17:36

Garo change his ways. He never

17:38

missed a hearing, and the judge was so impressed

17:40

by his record that he released Garo from probation

17:42

altogether. He stayed on

17:45

the straight and narrow for several years, at

17:47

least according to the official record.

17:50

In the spring of 1960, three

17:52

years after meeting Edith, he slipped

17:54

back into old habits. Police

17:57

arrested him for stealing hundreds of dollars worth

17:59

of electric. electrical equipment from the Albany

18:01

Department of Health. He was

18:03

given another suspended sentence for this crime. But

18:06

stealing money and valuables wasn't enough for

18:08

Garro. His impulses became darker

18:10

and more twisted. It's

18:13

hard to know exactly what drove this turn.

18:16

Perhaps now that he was raising children, the

18:18

trauma of his upbringing resurfaced.

18:21

Details regarding this next incident are

18:23

scarce. But here's what we know. At

18:26

some point in 1961, Garro attacked two

18:28

young girls, aged 10 and 11. Threatening

18:33

them with a pellet gun and

18:35

a knife, the 25-year-old forced the

18:38

girls into a secluded area where he

18:40

raped them. After attacking

18:42

the girls, Garro let them go. He

18:44

then returned home as calm as could be. As

18:47

far as his wife and young children could see,

18:49

nothing out of the ordinary had happened. While

18:52

the attack was ultimately reported, no one

18:55

linked it back to Garro. That

18:57

meant he likely felt safe enough to do

18:59

it again. It's

19:01

worth remembering Garro's earliest sexual

19:04

experience involved bestiality, meaning the

19:06

sexual abuse of animals. Some

19:09

research suggests the link between bestiality

19:11

and sexual violence against people. Since

19:14

animals are, by definition, unable to

19:16

consent to sexual acts, this behavior

19:19

could lay the groundwork for sexual

19:21

assault. As

19:23

darkness fell on the night of November 3rd, 1961, Edith was

19:25

preparing dinner for the

19:28

family. After they finished

19:30

eating, Garro told his wife he was going out

19:32

for an evening stroll. While

19:35

walking through the quiet streets of central

19:37

Albany, he spotted a teenage couple huddled

19:39

together on the steps of an office

19:41

building. The boy was

19:43

18-year-old John. The

19:45

16-year-old girl's name is unavailable, but we'll

19:48

call her Elizabeth. Perhaps

19:58

they represented the idyllic version American

20:00

teenage life Garro felt he'd been

20:02

deprived of. He'd missed many years

20:05

of school, and when he had attended,

20:07

he'd been an outcast. And of

20:09

course, he'd never dated as a teenager. It's

20:12

possible John and Elizabeth somehow stoked

20:14

old resentments in him. Whatever

20:16

the reason, Garro ran home, fetched a

20:19

pellet gun, and returned to the office

20:21

building where he'd seen the couple. At

20:23

first, he panicked, thinking they'd left. But

20:26

then, he caught them emerging from a

20:28

doorway of a nearby restaurant. As

20:31

John and Elizabeth turned a corner off

20:33

the main street, Garro rushed towards them

20:35

and brandished his weapon. In

20:38

the darkness, they couldn't tell it was just a

20:40

pellet gun. Terrified, they had no

20:42

choice but to obey when Garro ordered them

20:44

to walk with him. He

20:46

forced the couple towards a deserted, wooded

20:48

area where he knew there'd be no

20:50

witnesses. He knocked John

20:53

unconscious, tied Elizabeth up, and

20:55

raped her. Afterward, he

20:57

let the couple go. But warned

20:59

them that if they went to the police, he

21:01

would find them and kill them. It's

21:04

hard to understand why Garro did

21:07

this. He wore no face covering,

21:09

making himself easy to identify. That

21:12

night, he returned to his family, slipping back

21:14

into the role of an ordinary suburban husband.

21:16

He believed his warning would be enough to keep

21:19

his victims quiet. He was wrong.

21:21

John and Elizabeth went straight to

21:23

the police, and within hours, a

21:25

detailed description of their attacker was

21:28

circulated to every officer in the area.

21:31

The next day, a cop spotted Garro on a

21:33

street about a mile from the spot where John

21:35

and Elizabeth were attacked. As the

21:38

officer tried restraining Garro, he broke free

21:40

and sprinted away. The

21:42

policeman was right behind him, calling for

21:44

backup as he ran. Before

21:46

long, a dramatic foot chase broke out

21:48

on the quiet streets of Albany. As

21:51

Garro fled, the police fired multiple warning shots

21:53

into the air. Meanwhile, startled

21:55

residents watched the action from their

21:57

windows. The authorities chased

21:59

the him for blocks before finally

22:01

cornering him in a junkyard. As

22:04

Garro tried desperately to scale a

22:06

fence, they dragged him to the ground and

22:08

took him into custody. Initially,

22:11

Garro denied everything, but soon he

22:13

realized how much trouble he was

22:15

in. Another recent crime

22:17

had come to light. He knew that if

22:19

he went down for the sexual assault of

22:21

the 10 and 11-year-old girls, he'd be

22:24

considered the lowest of the low.

22:26

Being a convicted child molester would put

22:28

him in constant danger from his fellow

22:31

inmates. So Garro struck

22:33

a deal. He agreed to plead

22:35

guilty to first-degree rape for the attack on

22:37

Elizabeth in exchange for the other charges being

22:39

dropped. In November of 1961, a judge sentenced

22:43

25-year-old Robert Garro to 10 to 20

22:45

years in prison. He was

22:47

shipped off to the Clinton Correctional

22:49

Facility, a maximum security facility often

22:51

known by its nickname, Little Siberia.

22:54

As grim as things looked, Garro

22:57

had a plan. He wanted to

22:59

improve himself. Not to

23:01

become a better person, mind you,

23:03

but a better criminal.

23:32

In the final weeks of

23:34

1961, 25-year-old Robert Garro began

23:36

serving his sentence at a

23:38

maximum security prison in Upstate

23:40

New York. He soon

23:42

established himself as a model prisoner. Early

23:44

on he asked for information on correspondence

23:46

courses and signed up for as many

23:48

as possible. Garro

23:51

studied everything from mechanics to

23:53

earth science to theology, enjoying

23:55

the latter so much that he ultimately

23:57

earned a minister's license. light

24:00

and cooperative to the guards and never

24:02

caused trouble. Edith and the

24:04

children stood by him and often visited,

24:06

which further supported his image as a

24:08

reformed man. But privately,

24:11

Garo was anything but. He

24:14

complained to a fellow inmate that he

24:16

was only behind bars because he'd left

24:18

his victims alive. He said

24:20

he wouldn't make that mistake again. But

24:23

as far as the

24:25

prison authorities were concerned, he had an

24:27

impeccable record. Thanks to his

24:29

good behavior, Garo served less than seven

24:31

years, getting his freedom back in August

24:34

1968. At age 32, he was

24:36

once again a free man. Seeking

24:40

a fresh start, Garo and Edith

24:42

moved to Syracuse, 150 miles west,

24:45

and settled into a comfortable suburban

24:47

neighborhood. Garo used his

24:49

new qualifications to find work as a

24:51

mechanic. By now, he'd learned to

24:53

keep his head down and stay out of trouble.

24:55

His new employer was impressed by his work ethic.

24:58

But some of his coworkers found him

25:00

strange. Garo was a loner, never

25:03

socializing after his shift. The

25:06

few people who did get to know

25:08

Garo described him as a conservative man

25:10

who never swore. To some, he

25:12

seemed like a square. They had

25:14

no idea how dark his past

25:16

was or what he could do.

25:18

It was all an act.

25:21

One night in 1968, after

25:23

an argument with Edith, Garo stormed out

25:25

of the house and went searching for

25:27

his next victim. The

25:30

details of this incident aren't available, but

25:32

we know Garo raped a woman that

25:34

night. Afterward, he let her go.

25:37

We don't know if this victim reported

25:39

the incident to the police, but Garo

25:41

didn't face any repercussions. He

25:43

was establishing a dangerous pattern. By day, he

25:45

was a model citizen, a family man, and

25:47

a reliable neighbor. On the weekends, he loved

25:50

going on fishing trips with his son and

25:52

taking his daughter to swim at the park.

25:55

But at night, that same park became

25:57

a crime scene. Garo raped

26:00

at least three more women over the next

26:02

five years. Because

26:04

he always let his victims go, they invariably

26:06

went to the police and the attacks ended

26:08

up in the local newspaper. On

26:11

more than one occasion, Edith showed

26:13

him one of the stories and

26:15

pointed out that the attacker's description

26:17

sounded like him. It's unclear if Edith

26:19

was suspicious of her husband or in

26:21

complete denial. She knew of

26:23

his criminal history and must have noticed he was

26:25

often gone at night. Either

26:28

way, she never spoke up and the

26:30

police never had Garo on their radar.

26:33

As far as his parole officer was concerned,

26:35

he was completely rehabilitated. He never

26:37

missed a meeting or a day's

26:40

work. According

26:43

to those who knew the Garos well, the

26:45

couple seemed impossibly happy. In

26:47

1972, his now teenage daughter Michelle

26:49

started dating a classmate named Steve,

26:52

who recalled how wholesome her family was.

26:55

He told journalist Jim Tracy, they were

26:57

like the family in the television show

26:59

Happy Days. I'm not kidding. Everyone

27:02

thought that. Garo

27:04

is far from the only criminal to

27:07

successfully lead a double life. In some

27:09

cases, this Jekyll and Hyde kind of

27:11

personality seems to come down to an

27:13

ability to compartmentalize. It's

27:16

a common defense mechanism which describes

27:18

an ability to mentally separate thoughts,

27:20

emotions or experiences that conflict with

27:22

each other. For example, if you're

27:24

heading to work right after arguing with

27:27

your partner, you may need to temporarily

27:29

compartmentalize your emotions to focus on the

27:31

day ahead. When taken

27:33

to an extreme, compartmentalization can

27:36

be used to avoid dealing with

27:38

trauma or in Garo's case, to

27:40

avoid taking responsibility for his actions.

27:43

Garo kept his true self concealed for

27:45

years thanks to a squeaky clean wholesome

27:47

facade. But the mask couldn't stay in

27:49

place forever. Four years after his

27:52

release from prison when he was 36,

27:54

it began to slip again.

27:56

The downward spiral started in the

27:58

summer of 19... 1972.

28:02

As he drove home from a fishing trip, Garro

28:04

ran a stop sign and collided with

28:06

another car. During the

28:08

crash, Garro hit his head. The

28:10

injury seemed minor and he refused

28:12

medical treatment, but in the weeks

28:14

afterward he started experiencing headaches. It's

28:17

unknown if he experienced any psychological

28:19

disturbances along with the headaches, but

28:21

based on what happened next, Garro's

28:23

mental state was in decline. On

28:26

the night of November 11, 1972,

28:29

Robert Garro climbed into his car and went

28:32

searching for victims. Around 11.30

28:35

p.m. near Syracuse University, he saw two

28:37

students, a black man and a white

28:39

woman, standing on the side of the

28:41

street. The couple held their thumbs

28:43

out looking for a ride home from a bar.

28:46

He pulled over and smiled amiably at

28:48

Lenny Garner and Karen Love. The

28:51

pair knew hitchhiking could be dangerous, but

28:53

Garro didn't raise any red flags. He

28:55

looked like a friendly suburban dad, so

28:59

they hopped into his car. Garro

29:01

drove for a while, giving them time

29:04

to get comfortable before pulling into

29:06

an empty parking lot near Tavis.

29:08

Then he drew a gun. He

29:11

ordered Karen to tie Lenny up, but

29:13

she deliberately left slack in the

29:15

knot. Garro then

29:17

tied Karen up himself. Seemingly

29:19

at a high from his victory, he

29:21

began rambling incessantly. He told

29:23

Lenny and Karen about his violent past and

29:26

how he'd been fooling everyone for

29:28

years. It was like a movie.

29:30

As he was monologuing,

29:32

they both quietly loosened their

29:34

bindings. He talked for

29:36

so long that Karen and Lenny were able

29:38

to free themselves. They kept their arms behind

29:40

their backs, waiting for an opportunity to escape.

29:43

Finally, Garro revealed his plans to them. He

29:46

said he would drive them to a secluded

29:48

wooded area nearby, someplace more

29:50

private. There

32:00

was nothing to stop him from carrying right on

32:03

with his spree. Six

32:05

months after the attack on Karen and Lenny

32:07

in June of 1973, Garo struck again. This

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time he abducted two girls aged 10

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and 11 at gunpoint in front of

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an ice cream shop. He

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sexually assaulted them in a wooded area

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nearby. Once again his

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victims told the police everything and said

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they could identify their attacker. Now

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that he was already on the cops radar, Garo

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couldn't talk his way out of the charge. Officers

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arrested him on June 2nd, seven months

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after his last attack. His

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lawyer Armani wasted no time swooping

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in. He reasoned that the girls

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must have been coached by police

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because their detailed stories seemed too

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meticulous. Somehow almost

32:48

unbelievably, that argument satisfied

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authorities who released Garo

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on bail until his court date in

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six weeks. Despite the

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trial hanging over his head, Garo was

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undeterred. After this latest setback,

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his words from years earlier rang in his

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head, Never leave a

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victim alive. As

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far as we know, Garo had never actually killed

33:10

a person up to this point. Now

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he probably thought to himself he

33:14

was paying the price. On

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July 11th, the day before his court date, Garo

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was driving home when he saw 16-year-old Alicia

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Hauck trying to hitch a ride. She

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was all too happy to oblige. After

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traveling a few blocks, Garo told Alicia

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he had to make a detour. Pulling

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into an empty parking lot near the university,

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he whipped out a knife and forced her

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to walk with him. He

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led her down a hill away from the

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university buildings into a deserted patch of woodland

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and raped her. Alicia fought

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back. While they struggled,

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Garo wrapped a length of rope

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around her neck. After

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strangling her, he dragged her body onto the

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grounds of a nearby cemetery and

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left it there. for

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the first time, Garo must have

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felt strangely calm because he

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went straight home to Edith and took her

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grocery shopping. Then he

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drove to his regular appointment with his parole

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officer as if he didn't have a care

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in the world. Usually,

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Garo's parole officer was on his side,

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but that day was different. The

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man angrily told Garo that the police had

34:23

seen him lurking outside some local schools. The

34:27

revelation that the police had been

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watching him stunned Garo. Somehow,

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despite the pending charges against him,

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he thought he was above the

34:35

law. He stormed out of

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the meeting fuming, but beneath the anger was

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a sense of panic. Alicia's

34:42

murder replayed in his mind. If

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the police were watching him, had

34:46

they seen him pick her up? There

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was only one thing to do. He had to leave

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Syracuse. He drove straight to

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a local department store where he bought a

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rifle, several boxes of ammo,

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and camping equipment. The

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next morning, he packed everything into

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his car before sunrise. He took

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one long last look back at

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the house, saying goodbye to the

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idyllic life he'd built on a

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foundation of lies. Then he

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got into the driver's seat and headed

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north towards the Adirondack Mountains. He

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wanted a fresh start. Out in

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the wilderness, the rule of law

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couldn't touch him. He could hunt

35:25

all he wanted and

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nobody could stop him. Thanks

35:46

again for tuning in to Serial Killers.

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We'll be back next time with part

35:50

two, where we'll discuss Garo's vicious killing

35:52

spree in the Adirondacks. For

35:54

more information on Garo, amongst the many

35:56

sources we used, we found Jim Tracy's

35:59

book, Sworn. to silence the truth

36:01

behind Robert Garro and the Missing

36:03

Bodies case, extremely helpful in our

36:05

research. You can find all

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Wells, fact-checked by Cheyenne Lopez,

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