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My greatest shame the moment.
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That should have been my
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rock bottom. But. Was and
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honestly I never thought that I
3:26
would share this story, but I
3:28
realized recently that this story doesn't
3:30
have any power over me anymore.
3:32
Shame was a big problem for
3:34
me during my drinking and when
3:36
I got sober. I. Thought that
3:38
I would never get over it. I
3:40
had bad memories play like movies in
3:42
my head and I had no control
3:44
over one. It happened and I couldn't
3:46
make it stop once it started. In.
3:49
This episode I'm telling the full
3:51
story of my greatest shame and
3:53
tips for how you can move
3:55
forward. From your own A
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that we could have story time
4:45
today and I want to tell
4:47
you the story of my greatest
4:49
shame. So let's set the scene.
4:51
I was twenty eight. And. Working
4:53
in the city, my brother and
4:55
I were going to see Ghost
4:57
in concert which was his favorite
5:00
band at the time. Neither of
5:02
us had ever seen them before
5:04
and I knew that my brother
5:06
was so excited for the show.
5:08
Unfortunately, my company's holiday party was
5:10
on the same day so I
5:12
thought I'll just go to the
5:14
party for an hour and then
5:16
girl with my brother. Any you
5:18
are probably imagining what happens next
5:20
if you know about my story.
5:23
Then you know, I quit drinking
5:25
at Twenty nine. So I was
5:27
in the worst part of my
5:29
drinking care. I had unintentionally started
5:31
chugging drinks at this point. It
5:33
wasn't something that I consciously thought
5:35
about, it was just the way
5:37
that I drink. So at the
5:39
company holiday party, I drank three
5:41
glasses of wine in one hour.
5:43
And when you're kind of buzzed
5:45
and you're pouring more wine, sometimes
5:47
we either over or underestimate the
5:49
weight of the bottle and we
5:51
kind of poor it. Weird, you
5:53
know? And I mean I saw
5:56
someone observe mean doing this And
5:58
I saw the surprised. Look on
6:00
his face and I was so ashamed.
6:02
So I met up with my brother
6:04
and we went to dinner and shared
6:07
a bottle of wine. I love my
6:09
brother, she's a best friend. always has
6:11
been always will but he was a
6:13
drug pusher when we hung out. I'm
6:15
not sure why because he actually barely
6:17
drinks. The only time he ever really
6:19
did was when he was with me.
6:22
I had only plan on sharing one
6:24
bottle and then not drinking at the
6:26
concert. But as you probably know, how
6:28
often do we really follow. Through with
6:30
our moderation plans. So unfortunately we've
6:33
shown to the bottle before dinner
6:35
arrived so you can have dinner
6:38
without wind. So he decided to
6:40
get a second bottle and then
6:42
we can't allow him to. So
6:45
I had three glasses of wine
6:47
in one hour at the company
6:49
party, and then an entire bottle
6:52
of wine to myself at dinner
6:54
with my brother. and maybe like
6:57
ninety minutes, you may be starting
6:59
to cringe. That's almost two.
7:02
Bottles. Of wine in two and
7:04
a half hours. I'm a little
7:06
lady. I can not drink that
7:08
much that quickly. And. Really like
7:11
that was my limit overall before
7:13
bad things started happening to me,
7:15
but I don't want to give
7:17
any spoilers for the story. So.
7:19
By the time we got to the
7:21
concert. I. Was destroyed. The
7:23
show started and I thought
7:25
I was gonna die. We.
7:28
Were in the Boston Opera House to
7:30
which is a very big fancy venue.
7:32
not like we're at the Palladium or
7:34
something if you know the area. I
7:36
told my brother and that I had
7:38
to go to the bathroom and I
7:40
last saw this was a really big
7:42
then he like I said and we
7:44
were in the back of it. And.
7:46
It was leveled so I had to
7:49
walk down what felt like a hundred
7:51
flights of stairs and by this time
7:53
I realized I was gonna be sick.
7:55
I. Tried to calmly go down the
7:57
stairs on my way to Guy in
8:00
the back, the room at the opera
8:02
house and as I got to the
8:04
last flight of stairs that was going
8:06
down into the main lobby, I stretched
8:08
my leg out to take the first
8:11
step. And. My brain clicked
8:13
off. I must have just
8:15
dropped. I came to
8:18
probably only one second later
8:20
and I was humbling down
8:23
the stairs. I
8:25
don't remember the falling part,
8:27
I just remember the tumbling.
8:29
So I rolled down the
8:31
entire staircase into the main
8:33
lobby of the Boston Opera
8:35
House into a huge crowd
8:37
of people. They were so
8:40
concerned and they came over to check
8:42
on me to see if I was
8:44
okay, but they must have recoiled a
8:46
little bit when they saw my face
8:48
and saw how drunk I was in
8:51
my googly eyes and the sweaty mess
8:53
in the redness. I. Was that
8:55
girl? That. Showed up to
8:57
the concert drunk. It has literally
8:59
just started. Like the people in
9:01
the lobby hadn't even found their
9:03
seats yet. I was that girl.
9:06
So. I pace myself up as quickly
9:08
as possible and I ran to
9:10
the bathroom and I died in
9:13
there for an hour at least
9:15
throwing up over and over and
9:17
over and my brother was texting
9:19
me and calling me trying to
9:21
find me he didn't know where
9:23
I. When I didn't tell him
9:25
that I was going to the
9:27
bathroom to throw up, I just
9:29
told him I'd be right back.
9:31
and then I just never came
9:33
back and wasn't answering my phone.
9:35
So eventually it stopped. And I
9:37
was trying to pick myself up. To.
9:40
Go see my brother who I knew
9:42
was very mad at me and then
9:44
I drop my person the toilet Just
9:46
to add to it my brother was
9:49
pissed and it's actually and night that
9:51
we have never spoken about ever again.
9:53
But I don't think he holds a
9:56
grudge and I have actually had the
9:58
opportunity to take him. The Ghost two
10:00
more times since that time I am
10:03
actually like always on the lookout for
10:05
concerts and I think say he would
10:07
like because I feel like I need
10:09
to make it up to him. And
10:12
the last time that we went was pretty
10:14
recent and we had an amazing time. So
10:16
I feel like I've finally redeem myself. I
10:19
remember after I got home I
10:21
looked at my bruises I had
10:23
so many bruises I was actually
10:26
pretty. Her and I had the
10:28
last see red swollen eyes and
10:30
I looked at myself in the
10:32
mirror like what the frick. And
10:35
I saw it. How can you keep. Doing.
10:38
This to yourself. And
10:40
then I tried to reach out. I
10:42
told a friend who had been struggling
10:44
with her drinking too. But. To
10:46
she was really not in a place
10:48
to help me other people that are
10:51
actively suffering can't support as they can
10:53
even help themselves in that moment. So
10:55
I continued to isolate and do it
10:57
on my own and I genuinely believes
10:59
that I was the biggest loser that
11:01
had ever existed. I. Thought that
11:03
my relationship with my brother was
11:06
destroyed and I sought shame for
11:08
ruining the first time he ever
11:10
saw his favorite band and concert.
11:12
I carried a shame privately and
11:15
my heart. Until. I was,
11:17
I think close to a year silver.
11:19
So. Over two years
11:21
after this moment happened, I
11:24
finally told my husband. And
11:27
he was like that said that sir
11:29
great a shame like he thought it
11:31
was gonna be this whole big thing
11:33
and then months later I told my
11:35
therapist which was really scary because I
11:37
thought she was in can like me
11:39
anymore if I told her. So.
11:41
I'm sharing this story now
11:44
because I actually realize this
11:46
morning. That. I don't carry
11:48
the shame anymore and I want
11:51
you to feel hope that you
11:53
won't carry your shame forever either.
11:55
It took me years to recover
11:57
from the shame of the store.
12:00
Are you going broke My brand new phone
12:03
that night? I crack the back of it
12:05
and every time I looked at my Sony
12:07
was a reminder of what had happened. I
12:10
finally got a new phone recently five
12:12
years later and assault so freeing to
12:15
get rid of it. Now.
12:17
When I look back, I don't
12:19
feel shame. I still cringe, Obviously
12:21
because man, that is quite a
12:24
story. But. Mostly I just
12:26
feel so. Overwhelmingly.
12:29
Sad for myself that I had to
12:31
go through all of that. I
12:33
feel sad that after that happened,
12:35
I continued to drink and stay
12:38
in the cycle for another eleven
12:40
months, although I did have a
12:42
break in their if you know
12:44
my story. But I was in
12:46
the cycle for eleven more months
12:48
and every time I messed up
12:50
which was at least weekly, I
12:52
shamed myself for not being able
12:54
to stop and for being a
12:56
loser. And when I finally quit,
12:58
a shame myself because my greatest
13:00
shame should have been my rock
13:03
bottom. Basically, A little at a
13:05
Shame. And now after everything that
13:07
I've learned and all the information
13:09
that I've taught you across the
13:11
past two hundred episodes, I'm able
13:14
to feel empathy and compassion for
13:16
myself. It's really sad and unfortunate
13:18
that so many things aligned all
13:20
at once to create that bad
13:23
night. And it's sad that that
13:25
night of humiliation and shame wasn't
13:27
enough to shock me out of
13:29
denial. It's sad that I suffered
13:31
for another eleven months. So. Why
13:34
am I sharing the story with you that
13:36
I saw that I would never share?
13:38
Because I hope you're thinking wow, poor Jill,
13:40
I cannot believe that happened to her.
13:42
And I hope that you don't think I'm
13:44
a loser. For my greatest shame, I
13:46
hope you're surprised because you have a good
13:49
opinion of me. And if I'm not
13:51
a loser for tumbling down the stairs at
13:53
the Boston Opera House and then throwing
13:55
up in the bathroom for an hour and
13:57
ruining the cancer for my brother. Why
14:00
are you a loser for the
14:02
things that you did? If you
14:04
do the work consistently then you
14:06
will let go of your shame
14:08
too and it may take you
14:10
years. but you'll be able to
14:12
see the story differently and forgive
14:14
yourself. When we hear other people's
14:16
experiences we can find empathy and
14:18
understanding for them and for us.
14:20
And I'm also sharing the story
14:22
because I want you to know
14:24
the horrible memories that you have
14:26
an all the pain that you
14:28
carry can unless in overtime. If
14:31
you say said. I've heard from a
14:33
lot of people that they choose not
14:35
to go to therapy, not to join
14:37
a community, not to go to a
14:40
meeting or nazi get sober because they
14:42
can't cope with their past. Some things
14:44
are really horrible. The deal as and
14:46
I'm sorry that you have those things,
14:48
but we can spend the rest of
14:51
our lives avoiding. It and suffering.
14:53
Because of bad or border or we
14:55
can face it and move through a
14:57
to the other side. Avoiding things keeps
15:00
the stuck in the pain for ever
15:02
and it's easier to avoid and suffer
15:04
forever. Men it is to face it,
15:07
work on it and learn skills to
15:09
cope with it. but the work is
15:11
worth it. I spent my life being
15:14
controlled by shame, bad memories and regrets
15:16
and now I'm not. You might have
15:18
your own great a shame that keeps
15:20
popping into your head at random times.
15:23
And making you miserable. But imagine if
15:25
you could get to where I met
15:27
with mine or it's just a factual
15:29
story. That. Sure, maybe has
15:31
a little bit of cringe, but it
15:34
has no moral value at all. I
15:36
talked about the Science of Shame and
15:38
Episode eighty seven if you're interested, but
15:40
some people are more prone to shame
15:42
and others so if you're more prone
15:44
to shame then it's gonna be a
15:47
bit tougher for you. I'm very shame
15:49
prone, that's why it took me so
15:51
long. So here's what Help me. I.
15:53
Shared a Shame. I shared shame stories
15:56
one I could with my therapist with
15:58
my husband, my friend the and people
16:00
an online sober communities shame thrives on.
16:02
We keep it a secret and what
16:04
helped me the most with this to
16:07
was realizing that once a told the
16:09
story I never had to tell that
16:11
person ever again. We could just refer
16:13
to it as my great A Shame
16:16
or the Story about Barcelona or whatever.
16:18
The story can have a title and
16:20
you both know what it is and
16:22
you never have to get into it.
16:25
I also worked on building self esteem
16:27
and confidence the more that you like
16:29
yourself. The. Easier it is to
16:31
not let shameful memories be a
16:33
morality problem as soon as you've
16:35
truly changed. Of course would started
16:38
my. Self Esteem journey was keeping
16:40
a promise to myself every day
16:42
that I wouldn't drink. If you're
16:44
not keeping this promise and it's
16:46
difficult for you to build self
16:48
esteem so you need to start
16:50
their and I also did not
16:52
allow myself to ruminate. Summons.
16:55
I can't help it because like I
16:57
said in the beginning the shame hits
16:59
the like a movie and sometimes there's
17:01
no pause button But I force myself
17:03
to either tell my husband I'm thinking
17:05
of bad things which he knows is
17:07
code for i'm stuck in a shame
17:09
spiral or I forced myself to get
17:11
up and do something soon term shame
17:13
memories pop into my head the moment
17:15
that I wake up and I have
17:17
no control over it. But what I
17:19
do is I made myself get out
17:21
of bed and I go feed my
17:23
cat Rudy. Who? You've probably heard
17:26
meowing in recent episodes so I
17:28
distract myself and then the movie
17:30
stops. If you're struggling was shame
17:32
about your drinking and please now
17:34
that it will pass, the more
17:36
that you stay consistent with the
17:38
work and getting support, it can
17:40
be really helpful to get around
17:42
people who understand your experiences and
17:44
have their own shame to share.
17:46
This is why meetings are so
17:49
helpful. So if you haven't found
17:51
a community at than I hope
17:53
you'll come check out my community.
17:55
You can get more info in the show
17:57
notes and I also really encourage you to.
18:00
Into Therapy because the therapist can
18:02
help you learn skills to combat
18:04
the shame and to build your
18:06
self esteem. So thank you for
18:08
listening to however many episodes you've
18:10
listened to. I hope they'll check
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out all two hundred because they
18:14
all build on each other. So
18:16
if you want the full picture
18:18
about the science of alcohol, an
18:20
addiction and go listen to all
18:22
two hundred. And here's. To. Two
18:24
hundred more episodes and I'll talk to
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