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Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Holly Fry and

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I'm Tracy V. Wilson. We talked

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about the Bradley Martin Ball this week. I

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have mixed feelings about it. Yeah,

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yeah, I mean there's part of me that would love to go to

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an event like this. It sounds amazing, and

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I also recognized that it sounds wasteful

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as hell, and like, yeah,

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and the whole idea of like, uh

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no, no, this is benevolent, it's good for

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people is such a mixed bag and

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kind of shortsighted. Last

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summer, I was

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invited to an event that

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was like a garden tour in Boston

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that I didn't realize until

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I was There was

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an event for donors,

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which I am one of, but

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I very quickly realized

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not of the same caliber as some of

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the other people there. Right, those

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are the people whose names are on the buildings. Yeah,

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and like everyone was nice, nobody

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seems awful in a

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like really overt way. But like I

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did kind of overhear

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this conversation about like whether

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Doha is the best airport to fly

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through, as though just

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taking a flight to the United States to somewhere

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that might need to connect through

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Doha, right, was like a

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routine experience. And I was just like,

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I, so, this

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this level of opulence, I feel

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like would be ten jillion times more

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opulent than the garden

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door for donors, I went on, yeah,

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uh, and I think I would mostly

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feel very uncomfortable. Well, that's

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why you would not be part of the four hundred. Yeah,

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because that was kind of part of the criteria,

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right, was that, according to Ward

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McAllister, if you seemed like you would be

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uncomfortable at an event, you would not make the list.

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If you seemed like you would be comfortable at

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the event, but you might make other people uncomfortable

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at the event, you would not make the list. Like

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you had to be wealthy and chill

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in those circumstances to

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be part of the magic List. Yeah,

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that list the four hundred is based on

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his theory that there were about four hundred

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people give or take in New York that

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were really like the right people that

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just come up. Yeah. I don't remember

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where, but like, yeah, it's popped up on the show.

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It pop up on the show before and when I first heard

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it, I was like, are you serious? This was

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a real thing. Yes, it was a real, real

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thing. I mean, this is part of why I would

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like to talk about word McAllister, because he

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is a weird case

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of a human who just decide they

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were the boss of that, Like

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I am the boss of who is and who

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isn't in New York. Yeah, I'm the boss

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of what society is right

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and like a high society, and like people

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were like, all right, I guess you are. I mean,

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he like aligned himself with Missus

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Astor and they were BFFs

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for a while. They had a big falling out towards the

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end of his life. But like, and he

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had died two years I think before this

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ball happened, so he was out of the

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picture to give his opinion

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on it. But like just that whole

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concept of like I have

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only done a little bit of research into his life,

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but it seems like he only did like two years

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of actual work where he was like a lawyer for a couple

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of years and then was like I'm

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just gonna boss people around about whether or not they're

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cool. And I'm like, you're like a professional

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mean girl. How do

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you make that your job description? I don't understand

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you made a formal mean girl hierarchy

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for New York. Yeah, essentially, like

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New York was his slam book. I'm

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so fast that whole thing as

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much as like I will say, right, I

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am loving the Gilded Age, like I said,

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I blazed through the whole thing. But

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it's also one of those things where I'm like, I

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hate all these people. I hate this hierarchy.

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Yeah, like even the good ones are

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back. Just

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like the idea of clinging to

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these weird ideas of who isn't

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isn't important based on

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whether or not someone else is willing to

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go to their house. I'm like, this is nonsense.

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I would be a nightmare in that kingdom. I

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would be Yeah. I also

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just felt like the whole argument of like, we're

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going to have a gigantic party to

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give work to the people that work in these

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industry it was like a very trickle down economics

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justification for having this party. Yes,

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uh, And I was like, yeah, I don't.

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I was just I was annoyed by the concept

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from the beginning. Of course, so

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here's an odd thing that makes

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research not difficult, but it becomes

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a head scratcher. Mm hmm. Sometimes

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you see Bradley Martin, which his name was

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Bradley Martin, but

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you will see the name's

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Bradley Martin with a hyphen Betwen, Yeah,

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I thought hyphenated a lot, and I don't

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know what that is. I saw one book

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that said that Cornelia hyphenated

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her last name is Bradley Martin, but I didn't see

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anything to back that up, So I'm not

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sure if that was like an offhanded quip

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by the author or if she actually did.

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Some papers had it with the hyphen, some did

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not. It leads you to the false thought

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that there are two people named mister Bradley

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and mister Martin who were paying for this whole time. That's what I

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thought. That's what I thought when I

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first encountered this years ago. And then I was like, wait, no,

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it's just a guy named Bradley Martin.

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Okay. Even when I started reading your outline,

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I somehow like just glaze

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past the fact that his first name was Bradley. And

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so we were three or four paragraphs in and I was like,

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wait, we've been talking about Mark, and who's Bradley though

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it's the same guy. The

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cults are coming from inside the house I'm

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like, were you just confused about

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like the sort of AP style

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esque rule about how compound

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modifiers coming before get

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hyphenated, because we don't do that with people's

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proper names. No, And

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I'm not sure what the scoop is there,

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to be honest, I also

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thought I almost put it in the thing,

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but I didn't really ever find anything

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definitive this

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idea of like these all night parties that were

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very popular. Yeah,

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my understanding. And again I

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read this somewhere online and I'm

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not sure where, and I didn't

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ever find like a true historical reason.

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Uh huh. Was just to basically go

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like, we don't have to get up and go to work. We can

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party until six am and then go home

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and sleep. I

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haven't looked into this at all, but

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I do know that like

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all the balls that happen in Jane

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Austen novels, uh huh,

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often started very

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late at night and would really dance through

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the night. And I don't think I had

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really thought about like a why that worked

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that way. But I kind of wonder if the timing

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of this ball was a pattern

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patterned after the way that it worked

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in Well, this was not an outlier

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in New York at the time. That's what I'm saying, Like,

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like the I didn't express it very

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well, but what I was trying to say is, like these kinds

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of events, if they were just basically following

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what was established as the pattern

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in like Britain in

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terms of how society functions operated

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and when they started and when they ended, right,

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but why did those do that? That's what I'm saying,

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like going all the way back. Yeah, and not

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because people did not have to get up and yeah

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a nine to five Yeah,

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I love that idea. It's kind of my personal

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hours if I'm left to my own devices and don't

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have to function in society. So I'm I'm down

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with this plan. Not me. The idea

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of like a twelve thirty to five am breakfast

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service sounds amazing. Or supper service,

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yeah, those two. We mentioned the two different line items

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for supper and buffet supper,

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and one with the cheaper of the two,

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which was I think the buffet supper was like lighter

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fair. It was like light

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sandwiches. You could kind of grab and go versus

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sitting at one of the actual tables

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and having people wait on you. Sure

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all of this sounds amazing. I'm in for it. There

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is a very funny thing that came up

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as the papers were covering everything in the weeks

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leading up to it, Okay, And there

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was one rumor that started and the floorists

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of the city were like, shut up, you guys. You don't

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know what you're talking about. This isn't real, this is not really a problem,

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which is that the rumor had started

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that someone or someone's

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going to the ball had read about

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tulip mania and were like, we need all

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of the tulips. I do

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love this detail. It is. It's

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fun because they're like, France love tulips.

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We love that, we need all the tulips, and one

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of the florists going, that's not really a problem. We're

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fine, mm, like there's

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a whole rose problem going on, but tulips

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are not an issue. And also France wasn't

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really in on that whole thing the way like

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Germany and all, so

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like, I don't know where you're getting your information, but it's it's

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not legit. And I just sort of loved

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this idea of this poor beleaguered florist

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who was like, I'm not taking any

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more orders and you don't know what you're talking about.

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Can you please stop asking me questions so I can

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finish my work. It made me

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chuckle a little bit. Yeah, we

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already talked about how on the nose I thought

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all of the Marians

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when it costumes were, and you all had already

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put that in that line, which I knew, but

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I wanted to say it anyway because I just was

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like, yes, yes, everyone

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dressed like Marianne's whette. Of course they did. Listen,

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I get it. Who doesn't love those outfits?

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I love them. In terms

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of like the

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the expected hubbub and

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potential riot, there

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was I read in one account, but it was so

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sort of flimsy and not substantiated

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that there was one person arrested outside

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who was a black man who is allegedly named

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George Walker, who just sounded like

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he was like get out of my way, like

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this is your blocking the street, and

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that he shoved somebody. But like there's nothing

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even the way the paper reported it is like we

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heard that this happened, but there was no

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like they didn't have anyone from the police

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to corroborate that. They didn't have anything

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other than a guy said

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m hm. So I

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don't know if anything like that happened

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at all. Yeah, I'm sure if anything did,

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nobody wanted it to be known. Sure,

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there are pictures, and the photographs

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are cool, except some of them are like yikes,

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appropriation, yike y. Sure, So

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if you go looking for pictures from this ball, just

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be ready. Some of these costumes look

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incredible, but they are people

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doing things like play acting Native Americans

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and like and

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again in gorgeous costumes that probably

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don't know anything about that culture and are just like

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what there was like a dude a banker who

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dressed as a Native American and shaved

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his head and looks incredible

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in the picture. I will say it's and it's also just

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a gorgeous photograph in terms of like artistic

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composition, but like it's

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a yikes, it's a y on bikes.

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Ah, there's

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so there was so much money in that room. It's

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wild to me, mean too wild. You

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know, there's rich and then there's like redonka

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doodle rich and

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this this drove right up

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to the line of good taste and then it popped

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a wheelie and went over it. It's just went

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beyond, beyond, beyond right, which

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again there's part of me that's like, okay,

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getting the time machine because I just want to be there and see

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it. Yeah, because I do love

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a party, and I do love beautiful clothes. Uh

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huh. I just don't want to be part of the whole

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justification that like, no, we're helping people

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by having this, right, having so much

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fun. Yikes, you can't

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see me kind of wincing. But yeah,

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I really really like that Rabbi's take of

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like I get it, I understand

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it, but like you could do better stuff with your money

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that would actually help people. We also

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didn't mention it right. This was after like a

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crash, a stock market crash had happened in

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what like eighteen ninety three, and

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like New York just had not recovered financially,

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which is why so many people were really struggling.

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But again, you can't that one

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night is not going to fix stuff. It's like great

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for a couple of weeks, and then all

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those people will go back to struggling because they probably

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use that money to get caught up on all the stuff they were

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behind on. Yeah, that's

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not how it works. Yeah,

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I do sort of crack up at the fact that

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after this the Bradley Martins were like, everyone's

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mean to us. Now we're out, We're

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gonna go away, take

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our money somewhere else. And

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they did live,

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presumably a great and fun life

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in London. Yeah, sounds

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amazing. Must be nice, I guess. Yeah.

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Anyway, I'm

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tickled by the whole weirdness of it. It's

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just so goofy. Yeah, and

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we'll see what happens on the Gilded Age. Maybe they'll

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get right up to that and that'll be the finale of the whole

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series. I don't know. I know we have a

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season three coming, but I don't know where that's

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going, right. It's

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so good, though, Oh, it's really good. That

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show is satisfying in a way that I think you would

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enjoy. Yeah, I think I've

14:04

had intentions to watch it, and there's just

14:06

like a finite amount of time to

14:10

do things. Then. Yeah, it's

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there are certainly sad things that happen

14:15

on it, but overall,

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like things tend to end in upbeat

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places, okay, you know, in a

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way that's not too fairy taily.

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Although there's a thing that happens at the end of season two

14:27

where I'm like, that is convenient and it is, but you're

14:29

kind of happy about it anyway.

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This is yet another show that I picked up on a flight

14:37

and then came home and became obsessed

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with. I was just thinking, I'm supposed to have a flight

14:42

soon and maybe I will preload

14:44

some of that on my iPad. Well, if

14:46

you're flying Delta, it's in your in flight, So

14:49

I am not because it's not an option. Foosball,

14:52

Well, I don't. I don't know. I don't know about other

14:54

airlines. If you live

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in Atlanta, you're kind of Delta air Bus. That's not

14:58

true. But yeah,

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I had one option and it

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wasn't Delta. I

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got to talk to Rachel Lance this week. Yeah

15:16

you did. I like her heaps, so I made

15:19

for a very fun time for me. This

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book is who.

15:24

Some of it's real hard to read. I mean it's amazing,

15:27

yeah, but like some of

15:29

the stuff those people went through is hair.

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I said it during the interview. It's harrowing. But

15:35

it's like that stuff that makes my entire body

15:37

kind of stiff and nervous, right

15:40

because I enjoy comfort. I

15:43

have not read this book. I did read her other book

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obviously before doing

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the other interview with her about it.

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I just I didn't think

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I had the wherewithal to read

15:54

the book at this time, and

15:57

was also going to be out of the office for a little bit. So,

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uh so Holly took the lead on this one.

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Yeah, it actually worked out great because you were going to be gone

16:05

during a week that worked best for the

16:07

record on her end,

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and I was like, okay, we'll just do it. It all

16:12

alignes. It all worked out just fine.

16:16

So I have listened to the interview

16:18

though as a little

16:20

behind the scenes and behind the scenes. Normally,

16:22

when we record the behind the scenes part of our

16:25

episodes, like we record the episode

16:27

and immediately after Holly

16:29

and I record the behind the scenes,

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Tracy, you're ruining the illusion that we meet

16:34

on Friday and discuss having a separate time.

16:36

Yeah, it just doesn't

16:38

work. There's too much other stuff now. No. That's

16:41

also why a lot of times, if an

16:43

episode comes out and

16:45

we make a mistake in it, there's

16:47

not going to be acknowledgment of that mistake

16:50

on Friday because we don't know

16:52

it happened yet, right, so

16:56

we'll get corrections sometimes where people will

16:58

say you can say this on your Friday

17:00

episode. It's like the Friday episode is already

17:02

done. But in this case, though, I

17:04

had not read the book or heard the interview, and

17:06

it was like, what are we going to talk about? So we

17:09

delayed this discussion.

17:12

Yeah, this one is actually later in the game. Yeah,

17:15

as I was listening something

17:18

that I misunderstood. There's a conversation

17:20

about how during

17:23

the Blitz there were people

17:26

who sort of in England

17:28

who sort of approached the Blitz the way

17:30

some folks approached the you

17:33

know, the early COVID nineteen

17:35

pandemic when everything was shut down and people

17:38

were like there were people who were like this, everything

17:41

seems fine and didn't

17:43

really weren't living in the same world

17:45

of a pandemic that some of the others of us were

17:47

living in. And I had interpreted

17:50

that as being significant

17:53

numbers of people in London who

17:56

were somehow unaware of the Blitz

17:58

happening, And that's

18:02

not what she was saying at all. First of all, to be clear,

18:04

and it is certainly possible that there were folks

18:06

in London who were, you know, somehow

18:09

so wrapped up in their own stuff going on

18:11

that they were not fully cognizant of everything

18:13

that was happening. But no, she was talking

18:15

about, you know, when people

18:18

were evacuating out to the country,

18:20

folks in the country being like, but it seems

18:22

fine here, like yeah,

18:24

yeah, everything's okay. I mean,

18:27

the war won't come to us, and it's like it is

18:29

it is at us. Yeah. I was

18:31

really I was sort of imagining somebody standing

18:33

in London next to a smoldering crater

18:36

being like, I don't know what you're talking about. A blitz

18:38

thing that the I mean, listen, trauma

18:41

denial is real, that is true,

18:43

but I don't think large numbers of people in

18:45

London were doing that. No, no, she yeah,

18:47

she was was discussing

18:50

how jolting that was for people

18:52

when they moved out of the city. Yeah,

18:54

and in particular, this team had moved their

18:57

lab outside of the city as

18:59

things were getting worse and worse, and

19:01

they were just like strangers

19:04

in a strange land where nobody was

19:06

really at the level

19:08

of anxiety and stress

19:11

that everyone in London was living in, and it

19:13

was like people were

19:15

just having life. You're all very relaxed

19:17

out here. What is this but really

19:20

serious stuff is going on. Yeah.

19:22

Yeah. Of all the stories

19:25

of scientists that

19:27

Rachel shared with you in this interview, I

19:30

was most delighted by the one

19:32

who would just go up to people's houses and ask

19:34

to look for salamanders. Yeah. I

19:36

was one hundred percent on board with this. I

19:39

am friends with people who I am certain would

19:41

do this, And like

19:43

when we were in Texas to try

19:45

to see the eclipse, which didn't fully go as

19:48

planned, we went out every

19:50

night looking for scorpions with a black light.

19:52

So I was very much here for

19:54

the salamander exploring.

19:57

Maybe not so much for announcing that she

19:59

was going to marry the professor, but very

20:02

excited about the salamander excitement.

20:05

Yeah, all of the people I mentioned it to Rachel,

20:07

but all of the people in this book, they were on this

20:09

team were just almost

20:12

criminally interesting. Yeah, I am

20:15

fascinated by them. And you see

20:17

why. It becomes

20:20

clear that they all were

20:22

the perfect assortment of folks to

20:24

be working together because they were

20:27

all a little bit oddball to

20:29

varying degrees, which I say

20:31

with love, that's not a disparaging

20:34

or pejorative term at all, But

20:37

like, I think they just had an innate understanding

20:40

of the otherism that all of

20:42

them were living in, so nobody felt like

20:44

they were being judged by their peers in

20:46

that group, which is pretty great. Yeah, and

20:48

probably why they were all so good at just

20:52

taking leaps of faith together, right,

20:54

some of which were horrified.

20:57

Right. It

21:02

is so fascinating to me though, I really

21:05

I mention it. And I love Rachel's writing so much

21:07

because one of the things that she does

21:09

in her narrative style, and I

21:12

didn't read all of In the Waves her previous

21:14

books, so tell me if this was the case there for

21:17

kind of we had like the opposite scenario we

21:20

did time to last time, because last time I was

21:22

like, I can't read a book right now, like I have

21:24

too many things going on. But

21:28

she'll set things up where

21:30

you're like, wait, did I just read that, and then

21:32

she will explain it, which is kind of a great

21:34

way to hook you. Like the

21:36

story she talked about with the lit cigarette,

21:39

Yeah, she just she doesn't

21:41

explain why he does it. Initially,

21:44

She's like, so, of course his doctor handed

21:46

him a lit cigarette and I was like, who,

21:49

Like, I made a total Scooby Doo noise while I

21:51

was reading the book. And then she then

21:54

goes on to explain why, as she did

21:56

on the show, and I was like, oh, this is

21:58

a smart way to structure these discuss

22:00

because yeah, it does make your brain

22:02

go what

22:05

yeah, or make a Scooby Do noise. It's

22:07

true.

22:10

I am also my

22:14

biggest fear in the like what is

22:16

the worst way to die? Universe? Drowning?

22:20

Okay, And so all

22:22

of the all

22:24

of these stories were very white knuckly

22:26

for me. Yeah, you

22:29

know, the stories of like the

22:32

horrible things that had happened to precipitate

22:34

the formation of this group, right. I also

22:36

just love that it's a group

22:38

of geneticists that end up doing this work.

22:41

Yeah, I don't I

22:43

don't remember which specific thing

22:46

Ian I read. I

22:49

hadn't realized that it was specifically geneticists,

22:52

and I had this moment where I was like, how

22:55

did the geneticists get on this, because

22:58

that seems like a different

23:01

field to me, Like it

23:03

is. Yeah, there's a really great

23:05

quote, and I was gonna ask Rachel about

23:07

it, but we were running along and so I didn't cause it

23:09

really didn't add that much to

23:12

the conversation. But there is a great quote

23:14

in the book from one of the scientists

23:16

where he's saying, like, look

23:19

at war, it doesn't really matter what your specialty

23:22

is. What matters is can you apply the

23:24

scientific method to solving problems?

23:26

Right? And it's like, oh, that does make a

23:28

lot of sense. Like these are all people that are used

23:30

to figuring stuff out. So even though

23:32

this may not be in their specificity

23:35

wheelhouse, they do

23:37

have a fundamental grasp of broad

23:40

science, right. They understand how like

23:43

things like air and water pressure

23:45

work and all of that, even if it's

23:47

not what they have been focusing on in their careers.

23:50

And so then for them to just pivot from

23:53

all of their biological

23:55

specimens to then going okay,

23:57

so we have a water problem that's going on

23:59

here, can we fix this? And I'm like, oh, of course it

24:02

probably was kind of like I mean for

24:04

me, and we've talked about the way I work

24:06

on the show before and how it seems a little

24:08

bit disjointed to some people.

24:11

For me, this honestly is like, oh, I bet

24:13

this made them better at both jobs. Yeah,

24:15

because I need to switch gears pretty frequently

24:18

or I get I just sputter out. I

24:21

don't think that's necessarily any of their

24:23

personality or work style

24:26

types. But I

24:28

do think like this

24:30

gets into the discussion of like multitasking,

24:32

which is fraught right

24:35

right, which

24:38

I'll talk about briefly if we want to. But I

24:41

do think when you leave a thing that

24:43

you have been puzzling over, focus on

24:45

something completely different, and then come back often

24:47

like a new perspective is revealed

24:49

to you. That often can get you over that hump

24:52

that you may have been at in terms

24:54

of a roadblock. By the way, multitasking

24:57

is if you want to start an argument, yeah,

25:00

tell people you multitask because the thing is

25:02

right Like, there are studies that are like, no, if

25:04

you're actually multitasking, you're doing

25:07

well, uh, not as

25:09

good a job at everything kind of. But

25:12

to me, it's

25:15

not so much I'm doing multiple things at once.

25:17

It's that I'm changing constantly, right. It's

25:19

not like I'm trying to write

25:22

and read a book while I am also sewing.

25:24

There are two different things that I alternate,

25:26

say because

25:29

different parts of my brain get fired, and then

25:31

I can solve problems

25:34

better. I also let them. Obviously,

25:36

I cannot speak knowledgeably on the entire

25:38

field of neurology.

25:41

And why you didn't. You

25:43

didn't get a quick degree while you were out.

25:46

I went and got a PhD while I was on vacation.

25:48

Now, I'm kidding. Don't don't

25:50

yell at me if you actually got a PhD. And I

25:53

know how much work that is, But

25:55

like, I feel like a lot of the

25:57

studies that are on those

25:59

type things, so many of them happen like

26:02

on college campuses, and a lot of the people

26:04

being studied are like undergraduates getting

26:06

us your credit. And if you have a cohort

26:09

for your study, which is like a bunch of people

26:11

with adhd, you're probably gonna have

26:13

very different results in terms

26:15

of what works for people. Yeah.

26:19

Yeah, this has come up

26:21

on the show before, completely unrelated to

26:23

science, but just where we've talked about recognizing

26:26

like people that ended up

26:28

achieving big things late in their life,

26:30

people didn't realize when they were young that

26:32

like the standard method of education

26:35

at the time was not going to work

26:37

for that, right, because we hadn't really gotten

26:40

into the level of educational research

26:43

and study and how how the brain

26:45

functions at that point. So and I

26:47

would say there's still a ton that we really

26:49

don't know about how people are.

26:51

Sure, Yeah, for sure.

26:55

And I think that's it's

26:57

so individual from personal.

27:00

What works for you will

27:02

not work for your you

27:04

know, closest friend will not work for

27:07

their sibling will not work like Yeah,

27:10

it's I appreciate

27:12

that there is a level of challenge

27:16

at this point in any caring

27:18

education system to try to address

27:20

all of the disparate, kind

27:23

of optimal scenarios

27:25

that would really really help all

27:27

of the people in their classes function at

27:29

their best. Right. That's hard.

27:32

Yeah, educators, we love

27:35

you. I'm sorry your job is so hard and not

27:37

appreciated or paid enough for what you do.

27:45

I will say, if you are

27:47

looking for a fun read, it's

27:50

a good one. Yeah. It's doing very very

27:52

well. It's selling. It's on lots of lists,

27:54

so I'm pleased, and I'm not surprised

27:56

because it is quite compelling. Yeah, I really

27:59

enjoyed what's

28:01

the name of the other one? Was it? Into the Way

28:04

in the way in the way. I'm going to have multiple

28:06

incorrect prepositions at the beginning of it.

28:09

I didn't like reading that book quite a lot. Well,

28:15

if you're lucky for something to read and

28:17

you're okay with hearing about people breaking

28:20

their bones and other

28:23

things while they pursue advancements

28:26

in science, it's a great one. Yeah. Yeah,

28:29

it's worth it alone. For all the quotes from those scientists

28:32

because they are a pithy, interesting group,

28:34

So highly recommend. If

28:37

you have time off this weekend, it's a great time to read a book

28:39

if you are into reading books. If you don't

28:41

have time off, maybe sneak a couple of pages in again

28:43

if you're into reading books. If you're not into reading books,

28:46

or you don't have time off, do whatever is going to optimize

28:48

that time for you and make you your

28:50

happiest if at all possible.

28:53

We will be right back here tomorrow with

28:55

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28:58

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