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Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class,

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Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Holly Frye

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and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. We

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talked about George High this week, the mixed

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bag that is George High. Yeah,

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he's a mixed bag, as I said, but I have fun

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things to start with. So

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early on in talking about George High,

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we talked about his senior thesis

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being about organic oils used as lubricants.

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One of the.

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Things that George and his collaborator

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Paul did as

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part of their tests, and I am doing the air

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quotes, was to lightly coat

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the inside of a growler keg

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with oil and fill it. And

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they realized that when they did this,

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they could fill the keg

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with more beer because it didn't get as sudsy

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okay, And they apparently ran

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this test a lot okay.

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So I love the idea that these these

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two college seniors had figured out a way to

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game the keg system. It

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sounds very very much in

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line with the way you would think that two college students

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would operate, but I liked that they applied science

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to do it. There

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is also a funny question mark

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right up about his wife Blanche,

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as all of the bad press was happening

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during their divorce. Blanche

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really did like smoking, like there's there's

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obviously smoking is bad, don't smoke. But

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like they were they were noting how much

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she spent on cigars and

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and cigarettes as like this

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big gotcha thing, and she

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there's one article where it's a picture of her

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and she's talking about how smoking seems

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perfectly delightful and sensible. She'd only

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started doing it recently, but to her,

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the reason that you should smoke is

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that it's the polite thing to do. Because

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you're in someone's home and they offer

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you, okay, such a thing,

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you should always take it. You're just being

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polite. And I'm like, uh, that is

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a At the time, I'm sure

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it seemed very interesting and delightful

2:18

and exactly in line with social

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morase. But today it's like reading that, I

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was like, that's not polite. One

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of the other things that came up that was just

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like a weird factoid, yeah,

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was that after George's death, like that

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period between when he

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passed and when the Smithsonian acquired

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the museum was

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really fraud like they were there was a lot of

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fancy footwork going on to keep the

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finances to a point where they could keep

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it existing at all. I keep the collection together.

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And one of the things that they did

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that almost happened was

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that ross Perrot might have been

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a potential buyer. What on

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the one deal

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point that the collection would have to move

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to Texas. Okay, which of course

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was in George's will, that they couldn't right,

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at least a significant part of it had to

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stay in New York because I wanted to

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serve New Yorkers. Granted, rich white

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businessman new Yorkers. But yeah,

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so that fell apart. I have absolutely

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zero surprise with the idea that

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if Rossboro was gonna buy it, it had to be

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to Texas. Yeah, none whatsoever. But

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what a weird, strange

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thing. You and

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I had talked about a little bit, like the legislation

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about repatriation. So

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we've talked about NAGRA, the

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Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation

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Act. I might have gotten some of those letters mixed

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up. We've talked about a number

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of different episodes, most recently

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on On Earth we talked about the new final rule

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on how it's to be implemented in

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all of that if I

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realized that nagra didn't

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apply to the Smithsonian, that didn't

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stick into my head.

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Well, I have more information for you.

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Yeah, it's I know, there's different legislation.

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That's the legislation when they bought it, like

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that that this other legislation

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applies to the Smithsonian.

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You go ahead.

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Though my understanding

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reading about that legislation was

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that that was part of what catalyzed

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NAGPRA. Oh really, and so it's

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kind of a matter of, like Smithsonian has

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this this setup already, uh

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huh, we need to legislate to make sure other

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museums kind of fall under it. So I'm not sure

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if it's a case where the language of it

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excluded the Smithsonian just because

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it seemed like they were already on top of it, uh

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huh, or for some other reason.

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I haven't read through that legislation closely

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in a long time. I can see it

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potentially causing confusion or

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problems. Oh yeah, if newly

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written legislation applied

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to the SMITHSONI that already had

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specific legislation about the same

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subject. I

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have not been to the museum. So there's still

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a Museum of the American Indian in New York that's still

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there. I did not know until

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this episode why that was, because if

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you've been to, like

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that's where all the Smithsonians are, and

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that is where there is a museum

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of the American Indian that I've been to a couple of

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times, and

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I did not. I was always

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like, that's weird that there's also another one

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in New York. And that's why we've

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just talked about. Yes, now,

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you know, I will say at this point,

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and I'm just going to say, I know there are people

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who were at the end of their patients

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before I was born, but

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it for me, having worked

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on this podcast now for

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eleven years almost

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I'm just like super at the end of my patients

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regarding museums and their repatriations,

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and I'm just like, give it back. And I

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have very little, uh.

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Flexibility in that.

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I'm like, if if if a colonized

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people who were

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subjected to an

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attempt of genocide says

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that's ours, give

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it back, then give

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it back. And I have no, like

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really no arguments of like, oh but our

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study, I'm like, I don't give it back.

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It wasn't yours. Give it back,

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right, And also

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some of the things that we talk about on on Earth

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that are like new research that's being

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done and it's like unclear whether

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there's permission involved of

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like the indigenous people whose

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history this is about. Sometimes,

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you know, we'll get emails hoop from folks who

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are like, well, yeah, the

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the researchers have a plan to give

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this nation everything once they're done with this

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research, and I'm like, well, but this nation, I might

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want that to stay in the ground,

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right, So anyway,

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that's my frustration

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with all of this. Yeah, we

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might get angry letters from museum

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curators and anthropologists and I'm

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still like,

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like, we had guests

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on the show some years ago from the Peabody

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Museum of Archaeology and Ethnology, and this

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was a great They were very kind to us,

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they were generous with their time and all of that. And then

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it has seemed like in the years since

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we did this, there's just been a series of horrors

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and announcements about things

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in the Peaberty Museum's collection. Yeah,

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and I'm like, I'm so tired of

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this. Yeah,

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it's stopped doing it and give it back. Yeah,

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It's really interesting. It's one of those things. I

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this is an exception to one of my personal

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life rules. Huh, because

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I have a personal rule to never

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tell anybody else how to do their job,

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okay, because it happens

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to us all the time. I have everybody where some

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random person who doesn't understand

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the way like somebody's industry works, who

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is like, you could just do this, and it's like no, yeah,

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I also find this very frustrating.

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So I, like I said, I have a personal

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rule.

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I don't presume I know more than like you know

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any anybody, but like, you

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know, you see it a lot in fandoms

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of various flavors where they think like

8:25

my favorite entertainer should just do

8:27

this, or they should or this movie should have

8:29

done this, and I'm just like, none of you have the right to

8:32

do this, or they'll get like the imagined

8:34

backstory that a person has made, what do

8:36

you think is happening? But it doesn't actually have to do with

8:38

that person's work reality at all, one

8:40

hundred percent. But this is the one

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place where I'm like, Nope,

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yeah, this is a problem

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you especially because

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when you read about many of these it's

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like, uh, there's

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no urgency, yeah, you know what I mean,

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Like a repatriation request has

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been made by a nation or a people, and

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then it seems like that gets taken

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in and there's an initial statement given

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about like we're working on this project,

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and then it's.

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Like years go by.

9:15

Buck. I'm like, yeah,

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I understand you have a lot of things going

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on, but surely righting

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or wrong of this magnitude would

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get pushed to the top of the list. So

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maybe I'm I'm wrong and I'm being completely

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contradictory in my own policy, but this

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is the one space where I feel like, no,

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I'm with you.

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Give it back.

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There's stuff, Oh, you stole my thing

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because you want to study it. Neat, it's still my thing.

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Give it back.

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I mean, if you simplify it that way, and

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and you know, let's

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say for the sake of argument, it's some random

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possession of a person that they love

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or has meaning to them and

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someone just took and they're like, no, but I'm gonna study

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it. And it's like, well, yeah, but you stole it, right,

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Like this would be an open and shutcase. Yeah.

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Well, and some of the like this is this

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is why that so much work was done to

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like reissue this new the new rule

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about nagra, which again does not apply to the Smithsonian

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with this whole episode is about Smithsonian. But like

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one of the reason was that there were so many loopholes

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and so many things that museums could

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do to be like, oh, we're evaluating

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this and like not actually take

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action. And some of the things that would come up

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as reasons to not repatriate

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things were actually dealt

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with in the legislation. Like sometimes,

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especially when we're talking about like

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human remains from very very long ago,

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there might be more than one nation

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that feels a tie to this these

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remains, right, Uh, there

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was already language.

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About how to deal with that.

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Uh. But sometimes the response

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would be sort of like, well, there's two different we

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don't know what to do. We'll

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just keep it. And I'm so

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I'm very tired of it. Do you want to shift

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gears to a history mystery that's let's

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do that. It's gossiping, because I feel

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like I'm just ranting now, and

11:14

a rant that's gonna upset people. This

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won't upset people. I don't think, Oh, it's like

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I said, it's gossip. So this is very

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interesting because I ran into this weird

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stumbling block where I was I

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knew George High had been married three times,

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and I was trying to find information about

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his third wife because Blanche obviously

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is documented. Thea

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is pretty well documented because she was so

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involved with his work and was really like a collaborator.

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His last wife is like this blip and I'm

11:45

like, okay, but who was she?

11:47

Where was she from?

11:48

What is this?

11:49

And like part of the problem

11:52

I think is

11:55

that there may have been some confusion

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and maybe a cover.

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Up about their relationship.

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Ship who because in

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that nineteen fifty eight biography

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we read several passages from

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by Mason, who was a friend and

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like new George High personally, he

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mentions that

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his third wife

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was Jessica Peeble's Standing,

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Okay, And I'm like, okay, I'll look for

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that name.

12:24

Now.

12:24

It's possible too that he just got some things

12:26

conflated or wrong, because

12:28

when I started looking for

12:32

variations of the name Jessica

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Peebles, Jessica's Standing, Jesse

12:37

Standing, et cetera, I

12:39

found several news articles that list

12:42

her as George's sister, okay,

12:46

including one that is from

12:50

the Los Angeles Times when he is

12:52

out in LA and

12:54

it says doctor George G. Hih

12:56

and his sister missus Jay standing

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were among the Easterner sojourning

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at the El Mirador Hotel, having

13:04

a dinner dance, and I'm like, was he traveling

13:06

with the woman he was romantically

13:09

involved with and just telling people it was

13:11

his sister because yuck,

13:14

for a variety of reasons, like you

13:16

know what I mean, Like I think about divorce ranches

13:19

where they would be kind of doing a similar thing, but

13:21

they would go a little farther removed than a

13:23

sibling, So like, there's just

13:25

something really icky about it. Or

13:29

did he have a sister that

13:31

was I

13:35

don't know, It's unclear to me. I never found

13:37

enough info. Maybe his sister was

13:39

married to someone related to this part. I don't

13:42

know, okay, but I was like, this

13:44

woman is a bit of a mystery and she

13:47

kind of vanishes in

13:49

after the Nevada divorce ranch

13:52

time. Yeah

13:54

wow

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George, Wow. And

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he was quite you know, he was he

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was on in years at that point. So

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part of me wonders if she,

14:06

who was a good bit younger than him,

14:08

maybe married him thinking she would

14:11

get financial gain out of it and

14:13

then found him to be a work obsessed pain

14:15

in the neck and was like not worth it. I don't

14:17

know what happened. There's not

14:20

a good marriage anyway. That's our

14:22

gossipy history mystery. What

14:24

was the scoop with George

14:27

and Jesse? Why

14:29

was someone who sounds like her

14:31

being introduced as his sister? Damn

14:34

anyway, anyway, George,

14:37

high you complicated thing. The other thing

14:39

I didn't put in the outline, but I mentioned it

14:41

to you off handedly, is that and because I couldn't

14:43

corroborate it obviously, was

14:46

that he apparently would tell

14:48

his chauffeur that he wanted to drive and

14:50

he was a very reckless driver and it scared

14:53

everyone. And sometimes

14:55

this has been mentioned in articles where it's

14:57

like, oh, he's a wacky, flamboyant, rich

14:59

guy, collected a lot of cool stuff,

15:01

and it's like that could kill people.

15:03

I don't I'm not into that. I don't know if

15:06

I'm just too

15:08

This is the one place where I'm I play a

15:10

very safe but yeah,

15:14

drive responsibly and be careful with traffic.

15:16

Anyway. This

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week on the show, we talked about Maria Arosa

15:29

and Banana Ketchup. I

15:33

have a number of stories to tell with for

15:35

this episode. The first one is because

15:38

Banana Ketchup is the thing that she's

15:41

just I think most associated with today.

15:43

And banana ketchup also a thing that

15:45

has a place in the hearts

15:48

of a lot of people from the Philippines,

15:50

or a lot of people who are

15:53

like Filipino American or you know,

15:55

have family who are from there importance

15:58

of banana ketchup. I want to see

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what banana ketchup was like.

16:05

And so I had a whole plan where I

16:07

was going to get on the train and I was going

16:09

to go down to h Mart and buy some

16:11

banana ketchup. Turns out our

16:14

commuter rail was being replaced by shuttles

16:17

over the weekend, so I made a different plan,

16:19

which was to a different place called Super

16:21

eighty eight in Malden, Massachusetts.

16:25

And in addition to buying banana ketchup

16:27

at Super eighty eight, I bought like two big

16:29

bags full of other stuff. Yeah,

16:33

some of which was stuff that we legitimately

16:35

needed, and some of it was just stuff that I

16:37

like, I know, we like and we haven't had

16:40

in a while, or stuff that just looked good. So

16:44

the variety of banana ketchup that I

16:46

bought was labeled spicy, which

16:48

I didn't notice when I got it, and I don't

16:51

know offhand if there was also a regular

16:53

version Dear there on the shelf. If there had

16:55

been, I would have bought them both and

16:57

compared this spicy.

17:00

And though I really liked a lot,

17:03

I was a little concerned when I saw the

17:05

ingredients on it because one of the ingredients

17:07

was artificial banana flavoring. And

17:10

when I was a kid, my dentist

17:13

the the thing they would use to topically

17:16

numb your mouth before giving you novacane

17:19

for a procedure, oh, was fake

17:21

banana flavored, And I was like, Oh, is

17:23

this is this gonna? It did

17:25

add it did not have fake banana

17:27

flavor, and it

17:30

really didn't have anything that I would describe

17:32

as like cavendish banana flavor.

17:36

We said in the in the episode

17:38

that the bananas that Maria

17:40

Rosa was using were saba bananas, which are

17:42

like a denser, a

17:46

more flavorful banana. I think,

17:48

so this to me had a sweeter

17:51

flavor than tomato

17:54

ketchup.

17:54

Okay, that was the first

17:56

question.

17:57

The banana element, to me was closer

18:00

to like a green banana, like

18:02

an unripe cavendish banana,

18:04

than like a bright

18:07

yellow cavendish banana from an American

18:09

grocery store, gotcha.

18:11

And it also had a tanginess that I really like,

18:14

and of course spicy, with a spicy

18:16

level that I would say about

18:18

as spicy as

18:21

se roches sauce, which

18:25

I know these are too totally different, two

18:28

totally different sauces, but like that was to a

18:30

comparable spicy level to me. And

18:33

I ate that on some skylet potatoes

18:35

that Patrick made, and I ate it on some French

18:37

fries that I got with my dinner, and then Patrick

18:40

used it last night in a sauce for what he

18:42

made for dinner. All

18:44

of these things were very good. I was very

18:46

into it. It is thicker

18:49

and more gelatinous than tomato

18:51

ketchup, the one that we got. Anyway, how

18:54

would you compare it to the flavor,

18:57

because this is a thing I have never had. Did

19:00

you compare it to like the flavor

19:02

of like a plantain? Maybe

19:06

some plantain similarities. It's

19:08

hard for me to conceptualize

19:11

because most of the plantains I have eaten

19:13

have been fried, right, which

19:15

is just a very different mouth

19:18

feel, right of the

19:20

thoughts, But

19:22

yeah, I thought it was very tasty. Patrick was also

19:25

very into it. Patrick actually lived in Manila

19:27

for a month when we were first I remember,

19:30

and he does. He does not remember having

19:33

any banana ketchup while he was there. I think

19:35

it's possible that, like that

19:37

there were bottles of banana ketchup

19:40

in restaurants and things that he didn't necessarily notice

19:43

that that was what he was getting. But

19:46

anyway, I was very into the

19:48

banana ketchup. I did not try to make any

19:51

Filipino spaghetti, but

19:55

everything about the Filipino spaghetti

19:57

recipes that I have seen, I'm like, all, I'm

19:59

on board with all of this. So at some point

20:01

in the future, there may be a little Filipino

20:04

spaghetti experiment at my house.

20:05

I love an experiment.

20:06

I love a food experiment. One

20:09

of the things that tickled me at the very

20:11

beginning of this episode, and

20:13

it tickles me only because it has come up

20:15

in my brain a lot lately, is when you were mentioning

20:17

that there's a lot of overlap with other stuff

20:20

we have done. Oh yeah, and I feel like we have reached

20:22

a point where we have done, you know, more

20:24

than ten years of this of just us.

20:28

It's almost impossible anymore to find

20:30

a topic that doesn't interlock

20:32

with other stuff we've talked about. I'm sure

20:34

there are some out there, but in

20:37

a way, I kind of love it because we're putting together.

20:40

I have often talked with people talk about like how

20:42

we put episodes together, Like

20:44

when we're doing live shows or whatever, that's a question

20:46

we get a lot about how. To me,

20:48

it's almost like, you know, shaking up a puzzle

20:51

box and throwing it on the table and then

20:53

you figure out how the pieces fit together. But

20:55

I feel like I'm kind of a meta version of

20:57

it, and the bigger level of world history,

20:59

we're doing this same thing with all of the episodes

21:01

we do, where we're seeing all of

21:03

the connections in nexus points throughout history,

21:05

and I just like it.

21:06

That's all.

21:07

Yeah. When I was writing

21:09

the introduction to the episode, originally

21:12

I was naming the

21:14

prior episodes that this seemed

21:17

particularly closely connected to. And then

21:19

the intro was so long that I

21:21

was like, this episode is already trending

21:23

toward the longer side. I got to take some of

21:25

this out. We don't need to

21:28

name all of the past episodes.

21:29

Yeah, it's.

21:32

It grows and grows.

21:43

So the other little adventure I had was a

21:46

telephone adventure. So we

21:49

mentioned that this collection

21:51

of her recipes was published first

21:54

back in nineteen seventy with

21:57

a niece spearheading all of this,

22:01

and I had

22:04

a scan of what I

22:06

think was the nineteen ninety

22:08

eight reprint of that gotcha.

22:12

I went to try to find the

22:14

twenty twenty, the

22:17

fiftieth anniversary one, so

22:19

that is called Appetite for Freedom, the Recipes

22:22

of Maria Lyle Rosa, and

22:25

I did not get a copy of this book. I

22:28

was not finding number

22:30

one note ebook of it, no

22:33

like US seller that seemed to have it.

22:35

I looked in WorldCat, and when I

22:38

first looked in WorldCat, there

22:40

were three libraries in

22:42

the United States that had a copy of this book.

22:45

In a weird coincidence, when

22:48

the weekend passed and I came to

22:50

work on Monday for the next step

22:52

of this story, and I went back to WorldCat,

22:55

there were four copies

22:58

of this in libraries in the un United

23:00

States, one of them not processed enough to

23:02

be able to check it out yet. So

23:04

when I first loked at the three libraries

23:06

in the United States that had copies

23:09

of this book were the

23:11

Library of Congress,

23:14

Yale University, and

23:17

Moral Memorial Library in Norwood,

23:19

Massachusetts. Wildly

23:23

enough, that library

23:25

is part of the minute Man Library Network,

23:27

which is one of the library cards

23:29

I have.

23:31

So I could have.

23:32

Requested a copy of this book and had it delivered

23:35

to a branch that's actually close

23:38

to me. Norwood is not Norwood

23:40

is like an hour in the car,

23:42

two hours on trains from my house,

23:46

and it was if I had requested it, it

23:48

would not have arrived in time for me to still

23:50

do the episode. I would have had to find something else

23:52

to talk about and move this one until later. So

23:55

I called the

23:57

library and I talked to the

23:59

reference librarian because I was like,

24:01

hey, there's at

24:04

that like four there's four copies

24:06

of this book in the United States in libraries,

24:09

and one of them is your library.

24:13

Do you know if there's a story there, like is

24:15

there maybe a book plate inside saying

24:17

that somebody donated it to the library.

24:19

And this very gracious reference

24:22

library and put me on hold and went to the shelf

24:24

and looked at it for me, and

24:27

there was not a book plate in it, but there was a handwritten

24:29

note saying that it had been a gift

24:31

to the library. So I

24:34

am assuming that there is

24:37

someone locally to Norwood,

24:39

who either has connections to the family, connections

24:41

to her an interest in the Philippines.

24:44

Is Filipino interested in Philippine

24:46

some reason, you

24:48

have donated this book to the library. I

24:51

don't know what that interested. That reason is bless

24:54

this librarian for humoring

24:57

my curiosity to go look at a book on the

24:59

shelf for me. Thank

25:02

you very much for doing that. I'm

25:05

curious about what the story is there. And I don't

25:08

know.

25:09

They may also just be like a

25:12

foodie totally.

25:13

That's the thing that yeah, or I

25:17

know from my days of working

25:19

in libraries that

25:21

cookbooks are one of those things

25:24

that can often appreciate

25:27

in value in a case that other

25:30

books may not because most of them

25:33

get kind of trashed because there's

25:36

them covered in you know, drips

25:39

of broth and

25:41

flower smears and butter and whatnot.

25:45

Some of in my head, it's possible

25:47

that someone maybe had had

25:49

it as part of a collection and then you

25:53

know, yeah, there was there

25:56

are also, like there

25:58

are folks who have a particul killer interest

26:00

in something who

26:03

sometimes will leave their local

26:05

library in their will money

26:08

to do something with. And I don't remember which episode

26:10

it was, but there was an episode that we did that involved

26:12

an artist, and

26:14

it was not as uncommon in this book

26:17

which you know, four copies according to WorldCat

26:19

in American libraries, but it was one

26:21

that did not have many copies. But

26:24

there was one in my actual local

26:26

branch that I was able to just go walk down there

26:28

and pick up. And it had a book

26:30

plate in the front that it had been paid for by

26:33

somebody who had, you know, been local

26:35

to the town where I live, who

26:37

had specifically left money

26:39

in their will to the library to acquire

26:42

art books. And I was like, I love this. I

26:45

love this whole. The

26:48

fact that somebody felt move to

26:50

do that in their will I really

26:52

liked. So. Yeah, if

26:54

people want more catch up history,

26:57

there is an episode of the podcast

26:59

Sabas that is all about ketchup. I

27:02

think it's from about a year ago. I did listen

27:04

to it when it first came out. I did not re listen

27:06

to it when writing the ketchup

27:08

part of this.

27:10

Uh this episode,

27:13

Yeah, it made me think about all the wild

27:16

flavors or the not flavors,

27:18

the wild colors of ketchup, yeah,

27:20

that have been tried by Hines. Yeah,

27:24

green ketchup not made from green tomatoes

27:26

just green ketchup. Yeah. I also found

27:29

reference to Hines actually doing

27:31

a banana ketchup at one point, and I

27:33

did not. I was like, when exactly was this

27:37

and where? So

27:39

yeah, I also love tomato ketchup.

27:42

I will just say that, uh ketchup,

27:45

tomato ketchup on some really good French fries

27:47

I'm excited about. No,

27:50

not for you.

27:51

I mean, I don't hate it.

27:52

It's not like I'm like that, but I

27:54

just doesn't do a lot

27:56

for me. I'm like, can we

27:58

mix this with some manaise? Please?

28:01

Could we? Which?

28:02

I bet banana ketchup mixed with mayonnaise might

28:04

be interesting. Banana ketchup sounds more

28:06

interesting to me because I do not care for

28:08

tomatoes. Okay, it

28:10

does not taste like tomatoes at all, so right,

28:12

and really tomatoes and the one that I got

28:15

really tomato ketchup doesn't really taste like tomatoes,

28:17

but not very much anyway.

28:20

But yeah, I am not I'm not a

28:22

big tomato anything person. So yeah,

28:25

I eat them because they're good

28:27

for me, but I don't like them and I'm not gonna

28:30

choose it as a condiment.

28:31

That's fine.

28:32

Banana ketchup, I will take

28:34

your little ketchup packets the next time

28:36

we are traveling together. Oh, this

28:38

is this is dangerous. I'm going to just bring

28:41

you a suitcase full and I have a suitcase of

28:43

leftover ketchup packets from Holly. Speaking

28:47

of traveling, Yes, we

28:49

do have two things coming up. One

28:52

is a live show yeah

28:54

in Indianapolis, which

28:56

I should have opened anything about

28:59

the details of this, I have them handy

29:01

great. That is going

29:04

to be on July

29:06

nineteenth, which is a Friday, at

29:09

the Eugene and Maryland Glick Indiana History

29:12

Center. It starts at seven point

29:14

thirty. We are

29:16

also offering a version of the ticket. You can just get

29:18

a ticket for the show, or you can get a ticket

29:21

where you can do a meet and greet with us beforehand.

29:25

You can get more information about that at

29:28

Indianahistory dot org slash

29:30

events.

29:31

Yeah.

29:32

And then the other travel is a little bit farther

29:34

down the road and farther

29:37

away from us, yes, which is

29:39

that in November we are going to Iceland.

29:42

So excited another group trip for

29:44

listeners of the show. That is

29:47

November two through eighth, twenty

29:49

twenty four. There is also

29:51

an optional add

29:53

on to that that includes

29:56

an attempt to see

30:00

the Northern lights, which

30:03

we may see the northern lights during the regular

30:06

trip, but this is sort of like a northern lights chasing

30:08

event and I think also a whale watch. Yes,

30:12

so those are things that can be

30:15

added on, so you can find out about

30:17

that trip at Defined

30:21

Destinations dot

30:23

com. We are

30:25

very excited about that, so you'll

30:28

probably hear it again. Yeah, yeah,

30:32

So Happy Friday. Whatever's happening

30:34

on your weekend. I hope it's great. If you love

30:38

banana ketchup, I hope you have access

30:40

to it where you live and

30:45

you know that you can make delicious things to eat

30:47

with it. You can expect

30:51

a Saturday Classic from US tomorrow and something

30:54

brand new on Monday.

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