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8:47

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8:49

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8:52

Back to watch it all unfold

8:54

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8:56

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8:59

It can be. Heart wrenching,

9:02

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9:04

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9:07

Knowing that their child must hit

9:09

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9:11

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9:13

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9:15

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9:18

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9:21

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9:24

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9:26

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9:28

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9:30

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9:33

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9:36

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9:39

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9:43

Does not have a happy ending. Painter

10:12

was nervous about her twenty

10:14

year old daughter Jessica Sacco

10:16

living on Earth. Jessica

10:19

was moving out of her family home

10:21

for the first time. But.

10:24

She was moving back from Urbana,

10:26

Ohio after a relationship in Florida

10:28

took a bad turn. It.

10:31

Was the start of Twenty Eleven? And

10:34

after returning from Florida, Jessica would

10:36

be moving into her own apartment.

10:39

A duplex. For

10:41

mom, Sue agreed to help pay.

10:43

Rent. A mere three hundred

10:45

and sixty dollars a month for the unit. Or.

10:48

Banner is about forty miles west

10:51

of Columbus. It's. A

10:53

small town with a little over

10:55

eleven thousand residents. Jessica's

10:57

new apartment was in a

10:59

small cream colored building. To

11:02

door sat side by side for me

11:05

to the two separate tenants. The

11:07

ripe old age of twenty. May.

11:09

Seem a bit old. To. Be

11:12

worried about sending your kid out and to the

11:14

world. But. Jessica was

11:16

medicaid. it. Or. Bipolar

11:19

Disorder. And had

11:21

extremely low self esteem. These.

11:24

Things paired with her naive

11:26

outlook on life in for

11:28

lack of experience could result

11:30

in disaster. Asu. Didn't.

11:32

Keep an eye on her daughter. After

11:35

all, their relationship was already on

11:37

a treacherous footing to to Jessica's

11:40

mental illness. Jessica

11:42

had already shown her repeated

11:44

poor choices and friends. And

11:47

and men. But sue.

11:50

Didn't want to push Jessica away

11:52

even further. Suit. And

11:54

wanna be bugging her all the timer

11:56

sharing too many opinions? About how

11:58

she thought Jessica would the Living Your Life.

12:02

So. She. Told a

12:04

careful why. Soon.

12:06

After Jessica got settled into her

12:08

new one bedroom unit. He

12:10

began seeking out new friends, but. Because.

12:13

Of her lower social latitude,

12:15

Jessica found it easiest to

12:17

make new friends through facebook.

12:21

For. Profile read this. As

12:23

outgoing and sweet, kind hearted, carrying, passionate,

12:25

compassionate and I was learning new things.

12:27

I love animals and going to the

12:30

beach to take a walk. I like

12:32

cooking good and delicious meals my spare

12:34

time I like to read, write down

12:36

my thoughts and my poetry. I

12:38

love playing video games and doing puzzles and

12:41

also family oriented A kids and I love

12:43

helping others. Maybe. In an open

12:45

ear to people as what makes me a

12:47

good person and understanding person as well and

12:50

try to help solve problems and talented and

12:52

intelligent to I the article said no drama

12:54

are whining, you cross me You will wish

12:56

you never did if you don't. You're

12:59

good. Well that escalated

13:01

quickly. Jessica's grade

13:03

school and high school friends recall the

13:05

Jessica. Was. Bullied. A

13:08

lot. But. She was too

13:10

shy to stand up for herself. Now.

13:13

That she was an adult. And

13:16

she had the internet and social media

13:18

at her disposal. She could

13:21

create a facade of confidence and strength

13:23

because we all know that that's what

13:25

social media does for us. I

13:29

first tried several dating sites.

13:32

Missing really can do. So.

13:36

She. Began putting more and more of

13:38

her time and energy. Into

13:40

Facebook. Soon. Enough!

13:42

Jessica connected with a young man named.

13:45

Mathew. Puccio. Matthew

13:48

was a twenty four year old dude.

13:51

Who. Lived in Texas and was. A

13:54

self proclaimed juggler, Now.

13:58

These. folks. We've

14:00

talked about them before another episodes. You

14:03

may have heard of him. But.

14:05

Just to give you another run down.

14:08

The. Term juggle. Oh or juggle. Let.

14:11

For. Women: Is. Used to

14:13

describe the. Dedicated. Inner

14:15

fan club of the hardcore hip

14:17

hop group called. Insane

14:20

Clown Posse, Or

14:22

I see p for short. They.

14:25

Perform what is called horror

14:27

Core. A form of

14:29

hip hop that includes themes of

14:31

the supernatural. A Colts. And.

14:34

Psychological horror in their

14:36

lyrics. Think.

14:38

Music for Jerry Springer fans.

14:42

Here's Matthews childhood friend.

14:45

A guy named Andrew Forney. Also.

14:48

A self proclaimed juggler, I

14:50

was. Young.

15:01

And then we were. Before.

15:06

They reached middle school, map moved

15:08

away and he and Andrew lost

15:10

contact until about twenty ten. I

15:13

will sell the house or literati. Alone

15:19

since you've. List

15:24

as. He

15:28

said that after he lived. Group.

15:34

Until he was a. He

15:38

cleans, Your

15:46

first moved to Virginia.

15:51

This. Of Drought. Matthew.

15:56

Had been shuffled around all his life. And.

15:59

Continued those know me, the tendencies

16:01

into adulthood. Just. Like

16:03

Jessica's tone shifting Facebook bio.

16:06

Mass. Bio said this. I

16:09

believe in God. Shangri,

16:11

La. And. The Dark

16:14

Carnivale. I. Am a

16:16

proud father of four wonderful kids.

16:19

I may not open up right away

16:21

with people because they usually don't ask

16:23

the right questions. My.

16:25

Life is an open book. But. I

16:27

don't mention my life story. Unless.

16:30

It's a person and near fam

16:32

that needs help. You been there

16:34

Hatchet hi. I'm. A

16:36

thirteen year old wicked clown. Who

16:38

takes the psychopathic views beliefs

16:41

in music very seriously? And.

16:44

If you know like it. Then. You can fuck off.

16:47

I'm honest and blood. But. Very

16:49

true to the woman I love. I

16:52

don't play petty high school bullshit.

16:55

Soviet. Specs sympathy over some dumb shit.

16:57

You mean, I did it for me

16:59

unless I know you well enough to

17:02

swing a hatchet for. Whoop!

17:04

Whoop! And a mess

17:07

of Uk cel. Which.

17:09

In case you're wondering, stands for. Much.

17:12

Mother Fucking Wicked Clown. Love.

17:15

He says what we're dealing with

17:17

thoughts. And about that does.

17:20

Whoop Whoop. Other. Yeah.

17:30

That's the gigolo mating call I

17:32

guess. We can't really be

17:34

sure. It's really confusing We

17:36

see. Get David Attenborough in your next day

17:38

and. By the

17:41

way, Jessica was enthralled the

17:43

too politically connected over bands

17:45

like corn. Cross paid

17:47

and. Of course, Insane

17:50

Clown Posse who once

17:52

again do Not understand

17:54

how magnets work. Am.

17:56

I kidding, look it up. They

17:58

were just ago. Clearly an

18:01

emotionally immature person. Quickly

18:04

took the honorable role as

18:06

juggle let. And began referring

18:08

to Matt as her. Juggle, Oh

18:10

husband. The. Clip you're

18:13

about to hear isn't Jessica herself,

18:15

but. A. Young woman from

18:17

the exact same time period. In

18:19

which Jessica was becoming involved in

18:21

the to a Low Subculture. Five

18:24

girls fires are. Now

18:26

my thinking on what a handler. Let.

18:30

Means someone follow. Someone.

18:35

Had all new book. Now

18:37

saw in own people you are

18:39

out has never really got allowing

18:41

a new the know and. Hair.

18:44

The them about that and furnace. In

18:47

case you couldn't understand her, she

18:49

said that I see p is

18:51

basically a big family for outcasts.

18:54

Just a few months after, Jessica

18:56

began talking with Matt Puccio on

18:58

line. He. Made a trip

19:00

from Texas to visit her in

19:02

Urbana, Ohio. The

19:04

to hit it off romantically. Suddenly.

19:08

On Facebook. Jessica was a lifelong

19:10

juggle let and Matthew was her

19:12

dug a low husband. It.

19:15

Was official. Facebook.

19:17

Official. When. Fall was

19:19

turning to winter of two thousand eleven.

19:22

Jessica's. Family noticed a shift in

19:24

the way she was interacting with people

19:27

online. Because Jessica was

19:29

the kind of person who posted her

19:31

every thought and feeling on Facebook. It

19:34

was easy to see when something

19:36

was awry and are like. To.

19:39

See your prior and twenty ten.

19:41

Jessica's facebook posts were lot of

19:43

statuses like this: My life

19:46

was so bad that in the days when

19:48

I was young and stupid restless now I

19:50

live for God. And as I turned my

19:52

life around, think of how I was back

19:54

in. Thank god my sister and my brother

19:56

in law jokingly asked for being there for

19:58

me. Thanks guys!

20:00

Love you all. The

20:03

by the time the holiday season of Twenty

20:05

Eleven rolled around, And Jessica

20:07

was in the throes of her new

20:09

relationship with Matt Puccio. For. Statuses

20:11

and comments began to look

20:13

more like this. Today.

20:15

Was a pretty fucked up the good friend

20:17

of mine was sort tried steering my fiance,

20:19

him and I to carry the drama and

20:21

order to lose or numbers. And excuse

20:24

my language, but I'm so mad at her that is

20:26

where does. And it's just petty that she is. Misuse

20:28

of for and used to mind around

20:30

in business and she's to die and

20:33

keeps to herself and quick causing drama

20:35

anyways and happy and she ain't so

20:37

whoop whoop. The. Very

20:39

next status said. Well. My

20:41

days just keep getting more complicated to explain to

20:43

me. yesterday day before. that really caught me off

20:45

guard. So last night I bought a bottle of

20:47

good wine in a couple beers and got drunk

20:50

at home. and my life as Peachy Keen. So.

20:52

All I can do is to say wow in

20:54

fact my life. What should I do? God please

20:57

help me overcome my for years and please tell

20:59

me what to do. I need you right now

21:01

more than my own kin. Everybody else. please forgive

21:03

me to all my lows and less. Given

21:06

that she was basically pretending

21:08

to be married using. Online

21:11

slurs and. Public be

21:13

wishing people dead. So.

21:15

Sick, his mother began to suspect that. She.

21:18

May be off her medication. You.

21:21

Think. And to

21:23

make matters worse, she had a

21:25

sneaking suspicion: someone. Was. Living

21:27

with her daughter. This

21:30

was not part of their agreement when Sue

21:32

originally told just she would help pay rent.

21:35

And. Get her on her feet. When.

21:37

Sue drove over to Just Because House to

21:39

confront her one day. When. Altercation

21:42

ensued. Apparently.

21:44

Matthew. Also,

21:46

bipolar surprise surprise. Had.

21:48

Convinced Jessica to get off.

21:51

Of her medication. At

21:54

the end of their screaming

21:56

match, Sue as Jessica is

21:58

this. Is. what she'd truly

22:00

wanted. And Jessica

22:03

said yes. So Sue

22:06

left, disappointed.

22:09

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22:12

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22:14

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Jessica Sacco had recently secured her

24:24

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24:26

with the help of her mother,

24:29

Sue Tainer. Jessica

24:32

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24:35

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24:37

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24:39

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24:43

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24:49

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25:00

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25:02

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25:04

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25:06

Matt. During

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25:11

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25:14

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25:18

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25:20

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25:23

forward to Thursday, March 29, 2012. Sue

25:27

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25:30

after realizing she hadn't heard from

25:32

her in seven days. When

25:34

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25:37

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25:40

a status since

25:42

March 22, exactly seven days prior.

25:47

The most recent statuses on Jessica's timeline

25:49

were, hmm, alarming,

25:52

to say the least. On

25:55

March 19th, she wrote this. Tired,

25:58

frustrated, feeling down. like shit, crying

26:00

and feeling like I'm not worth anyone's

26:03

time. All I'm doing is just digging

26:05

myself whole, and I need to get

26:07

out of it quick, so I need

26:09

to focus more. But all what I'm

26:11

dealing with and going through isn't helping

26:13

none. It's a time to get rid

26:15

of things. Stress, anger, frustration, etc. More

26:17

walks and exercise. The

26:19

most recent status on March 22 read, Pissed

26:23

off beyond belief, but yet I'm super calm.

26:25

That's when I'm in a very snappy and

26:27

dangerous mood. This is when I need a

26:30

bottle of wine and a hug and a

26:32

girlfriend to spend time with. Board,

26:34

send me your best bottle of red wine. Sue

26:38

decided to drive

26:40

over to Jessica's apartment

26:42

and make sure everything was okay. When

26:45

she got there, no one answered

26:48

the door. It was

26:50

locked. So she

26:52

let herself in with the spare key. I

26:55

mean, she had paid for it, after all. As

26:58

soon as she pushed the door open, a decaying

27:02

stench hit her like

27:04

a brick wall, assaulting

27:06

her lungs. As

27:09

the outside light hit the

27:11

dark and dank apartment, Sue

27:15

could see the disaster inside.

27:18

Flies buzzed all around the room.

27:22

Bagots crawled on crusty food

27:24

stuck on dirty dishes. The

27:27

carpet was stained and

27:30

crummy. Disposable

27:32

cups and bottles were toppled over

27:35

every surface. Boxes,

27:37

a lamp, a TV, and other

27:40

clutter was pushed into the far

27:42

right corner of the room. It

27:45

was just an absolute trainwreck. Of

27:48

course, this scene also included the

27:51

obligatory Mountain Dew bottle. You'll

27:53

always find one of those around when there's, uh,

27:57

Jugulos. Sue!

28:00

Made her way through the debris.

28:02

Covering. Her nose and looking for her

28:05

daughter. But. It was pretty

28:07

obvious that no one was home. To

28:10

came upon the bathroom door. Tried.

28:12

To open it and found it locked.

28:15

She. Looked through the crack under the

28:17

door. To. See if anyone was in

28:19

the bathroom but. It looked nt.

28:22

So. She lost. It

28:25

wasn't until the next day that

28:27

Jessica's landlord went inside and. Got

28:30

the bathroom door open. Mouth.

28:33

It turns out the Jessica was

28:35

inside. After all, She'd.

28:38

Been in the bathtub. Something.

28:40

That see would not have been able to

28:43

see from for vantage point. Jessica.

28:47

Was. Dead. And she

28:49

had been murdered. In

28:51

a most gruesome way. Shocking

28:54

revelations about a gruesome murder in Urbana where

28:56

a woman was dismembered. know five people were

28:58

arrested and are just gonna happen or spoke

29:00

with a woman who says she took some

29:03

of those suspect and claiming the killing was

29:05

in self defense is now live with us

29:07

with more just because. John

29:09

How are still waiting for three of the

29:12

people accused and it's or been a murder

29:14

to be brought back the same paint on.

29:16

He backs talking with one of the accused

29:18

say cheap at the victims as boyfriend killed

29:20

the woman's to protect himself. With

29:23

his friends were apprehended in Hamilton Falling Courts

29:25

a day I met with a friend. He

29:27

said the three stayed with her before being

29:30

a wrapped inside to hide her identity but

29:32

told me put yourself killed my tackle in

29:34

self defense because plans to keep. Us

29:37

healthy. Why he said he dismembered

29:39

her body says that. He

29:42

did that is taken away sit and

29:45

really be sounds insane I use can

29:47

for his wife like and send them

29:49

oil and really even her fly find

29:51

setting up. A Does it Eat and he

29:54

accused me. learn that they're all members of

29:56

the Just Below family. It doesn't buy games at

29:58

the I had habit. The rebellion

30:00

and as a woman and fellow

30:02

member told us today accord the

30:05

ex boyfriend the victim was believed

30:07

she wanted him dead so he

30:09

acted first. Police. Say just

30:11

go right Tackle had been dead for

30:13

eight days when he found her dismembered

30:15

body in a bathtub in Urbana. Please

30:17

move quickly collecting evidence and arrested five

30:19

people the next day. I looking at

30:22

the victims and Facebook page on the

30:24

day of her death she said she

30:26

was angry but com we also learned

30:28

she considers herself a member of the

30:30

Jug a Los, a rapidly growing gang

30:32

according to the up the on so

30:34

was her ex boyfriend Matthew Puccio and

30:36

for others accused of killing her. Was

30:43

arrested in Hamilton along with to others and

30:45

court Today we spoke with his friends and

30:47

fellow juggle oh name's Linda. She didn't want

30:49

to show or faith as said she allows

30:52

you to stay with her. After the alleged

30:54

murder he told us soccer threatened to kill

30:56

Puccio when they broke up so he decided

30:58

to take her out first. That's why she

31:00

says he shouldn't be in jail and things

31:03

that they should allow him to go. For

31:06

me. Police you. Wouldn't even hurt

31:09

a fly. You

31:11

know, the only reason why he did it

31:13

was a subset of Alison. I would have

31:15

probably done it's her. Oh

31:18

wow. There's. A lot

31:20

to unpack. Their. The.

31:23

Newspaper said that five people

31:25

were arrested for Jessica's murder.

31:28

You. May be wondering how on earth

31:30

police unraveled. What? Actually happened

31:32

here. And. Track down all

31:35

five suspects so quickly. Melt

31:38

butter. One back to Jessica's falling

31:40

out with her mother, Sue toward

31:42

the end of Twenty Eleven. Shortly.

31:46

After Sue discovered Jessica was no

31:48

longer taking her bipolar medication, Just.

31:51

And mass blazing romance

31:53

turned into a foursome.

31:56

Matt. invited another couple in

31:58

a similar scenario out to move in.

32:02

They were nomadic, living

32:04

off of social security, disability,

32:07

and or unemployment. You

32:10

know, us. Anyway,

32:13

they needed a place to stay. Oh,

32:16

and they were

32:18

juggalos, too.

32:20

The man was Matt's longtime

32:22

friend, 25-year-old Andrew Forney, bringing

32:25

with him his wife, 25-year-old

32:28

Candice. I

32:58

lived up until March of 2008, at

33:00

which point I moved back to

33:02

Galena, Kansas, and lived with my

33:04

mother, Forest Homa. I

33:08

then moved into Osage Beach,

33:10

Missouri, lived there,

33:12

was back in Fort

33:14

and put my brother's house for a

33:16

little bit. I left Missouri

33:19

to move up to Michigan in June

33:23

of 2010. I

33:25

lived up in Michigan with my

33:27

mother-in-law and her husband until

33:33

December of last year. How

33:35

much fun I moved in. But,

33:38

and just... Remember,

33:42

this was a one-bedroom apartment.

33:45

The front door opened up to a

33:47

small living room. The

33:49

kitchen was back toward the left, with

33:52

a hallway separating it from the living area.

33:55

And The single bedroom was off to the

33:57

right-hand side of the kitchen.. To

34:00

the only bathroom. It's

34:03

hard to imagine Jessica willingly allowing

34:05

all of these people to move

34:07

in to that tiny little apartment.

34:11

So. At this point, Matt had

34:13

moved in with Jess. Matt.

34:16

Hadn't seen as friend Andrew in about a decade

34:18

and. He. Had never met Andrews.

34:20

wife. Does it. Had

34:22

Never met either of them until they

34:24

came down for Thanksgiving of Twenty eleven.

34:27

Here's. Candace talking about the first time

34:29

she and Andrew met Matt and just

34:32

in person. To

34:52

just know that these people weren't just

34:54

visiting for Thanksgiving. But.

34:56

We're. Scoping out of place to see

34:58

if it was a good place for them to live.

35:01

I don't know, but I'm guessing probably not.

35:05

In all likelihood, it was Matt

35:07

who offered Jessica's apartment to the

35:09

forties. What? Was just

35:11

gonna say. Or she

35:13

gonna do. Andrew. In

35:15

Kansas where fellow jugglers. They

35:18

had nowhere to go and. Map Probably

35:20

use this to guilt Jessica into

35:23

saying yes. How

35:25

could you possibly let your fellow

35:27

jugglers and doug let's go hungry

35:30

and homeless. Jessica, you monster. You.

35:33

Absolute piece of trash. So.

35:36

Anyway, The. First suit, I'm

35:38

Andrew Forney and his wife Candice Came

35:40

down to Ohio to meet Matt and

35:42

just they stayed for a week. Then.

35:45

He drove back up to Michigan. Grabbed.

35:48

All of their stuff. And. Drove

35:51

right back down to just his

35:53

apartment. In. Urbana. Ohio.

35:57

They. Just moved in. Just. that

36:00

It wasn't long before it

36:02

became clear that this many

36:05

personalities stuffed into a very,

36:07

very tiny space, only

36:10

a couple hundred square feet in size, was

36:13

not going to work. I'm starting to

36:16

feel a little bit of a loss. I'm

36:20

starting to feel a little bit of a

36:22

loss. I'm starting to feel a little

36:25

bit of a loss. I'm starting to feel a

36:28

little bit of a loss. So,

36:30

it's our friendship.

36:33

The sign between you and Jess fell apart

36:35

once you guys have moved back down here.

36:37

How long had it been? How

36:40

long would you say you guys were friendly until

36:42

it started turning bad? About,

36:46

I think a week when I moved back down.

36:49

Okay. With four grown

36:52

adults living in a one bedroom

36:54

apartment full time with no

36:57

jobs, things were

36:59

bound to get a bit tense. The

37:02

few bits and pieces you've heard thus far

37:05

are from Candice and Andrew's post

37:08

plea interviews. These

37:10

interviews stipulate that you must tell

37:12

the truth or your

37:14

plea deal is off the table. Now

37:18

we'll hear from everyone just

37:20

after police found them using

37:23

cell tower records, hiding

37:25

in a home in Hamilton, Ohio. This

37:28

will be fun. Here's

37:31

the man we've all been waiting for. Matthew

37:51

Starr. With two Rs, by

37:53

the way. Puccio. What

37:56

a name. Thank

37:59

you. What's a good address for you?

38:02

I don't

38:04

really know. I just moved down here. The

38:07

one there in Urbana? Yeah, I did.

38:09

I was just putting hands

38:11

on the house for now. Is that the house

38:13

where you were at? Yeah. 318

38:17

North Long Street. So

38:20

you moved in there? Yeah. We

38:23

turned up in a place that's situated in

38:25

the States. We

38:27

got you all ruined again? No. I used to

38:30

have four of them. I died this time.

38:34

Where was I at? Texas. And

38:36

then her only put us again. I'm here. What

38:39

happened there? She died

38:41

of a reproductive artery in the brain. And? Was

38:45

you ever mad? Did they ever

38:47

call that? That's rough. And

38:51

then Jacob, my son, Desmond,

38:54

shook him too hard. And

38:57

he's tired from bleeding from

38:59

the brain. Where's he at? Texas as

39:01

well. Is this sin? It's good. Wow.

39:05

So, all

39:08

that's been going on since the past?

39:10

Sure. Why the stress,

39:12

huh? Yeah.

39:14

It doesn't help to me my medicine. What

39:16

kind of medicine? I

39:18

take on medicine politics. How

39:21

long have you been doing that? Since I was 15. What's

39:25

the high school you can be at? Two

39:28

years of community. So, you got

39:30

14 years now. Where's your college at?

39:32

University of Phoenix, Texas. The online program.

39:36

What was your major then?

39:38

Business Administration. That's

39:40

just worse than normal. Okay.

39:42

And I'll say, how do you do right now? Sure.

39:44

I came into the middle of this. Alright.

39:48

I declare that the following statement is

39:50

made of my own free will without

39:52

anyone having promised me anything or offered

39:55

to me any hope or reward that I

39:57

make this statement with any purist at all.

40:00

without anyone having offered to do me

40:02

any favor and without anyone promising me

40:04

leniency. I heard it say that I

40:07

am able to read and write the

40:09

English language and have completed 14 years of school.

40:12

No, I didn't feel for my life about this.

40:15

From us? My cousin. No,

40:17

no, no, no. They're saying we're not

40:19

there then to kill you. Who's your cousin? The

40:22

Godfather of the Italian law field. What's

40:24

his name? Giovanni Guevara. What's

40:27

wrong with him? He's the one

40:29

who ordered me to do all this because

40:31

there was a text. How's

40:33

it to her phone? How's it to

40:36

her? Just bring the hell off me. You need to move

40:38

back. I'm going to kill him. Why don't

40:40

you borrow me? You bring it out of here. You

40:42

know, he didn't test it. Why don't you

40:44

just bring it out of here? She

40:47

was so mad when she was supposed to be dead and

40:49

she wants the people to do it. Who

40:51

is the people that she is? I don't know.

40:54

So how did your cousin find

40:56

out about that? His little

40:58

friends were talking

41:01

with him and they

41:03

informed him the message that he wanted to know. Where is that?

41:06

Where's she with that? She said the Godfather.

41:08

He said the cousin because of this. Okay.

41:12

All right. Let me just

41:14

end. And I don't know everything you talked

41:16

about with the usual words. You start here as your agent

41:19

and then you go to the next page. I want to

41:21

know when you think you're close to the last page.

41:23

Take this one to the last page. All

41:25

right. So you can name the story there. The

41:28

cop is like, okay,

41:30

I smell bullshit. Right

41:33

off the bat, Matt was claiming he was

41:35

related to the quote, Godfather of

41:38

the Italian Mafia. Interviews

41:41

with other members of this

41:43

ragtag household would eventually

41:45

paint a clearer picture of what was going

41:47

on. A man named

41:49

Christopher Wright and his girlfriend, Sharon Cook,

41:52

were of particular interest. Christopher

41:56

was in his thirties and boy,

41:59

was he a talker. What

42:01

came as a shock to everyone in

42:03

the investigation was that Christopher and Sharon

42:06

had only just met the rest of the gang a

42:08

few days prior to Jessica's murder. But

42:11

they were there and they obviously

42:14

helped to try to cover it all up. I

42:30

got married and were around. I'm

42:32

saying there's much sound. I need 350 to

42:34

start the process and then I have 2000.

42:38

I guess women's fees? Yeah,

42:40

men. Only smokes

42:42

for you. What's your

42:44

phone name? Christopher? Joseph?

42:48

W.R.J. today. Okay, here's

42:50

what's going on. I need to talk to you about this. I

42:52

figured that. Yeah. I

42:56

don't mind telling you what I heard, what was

42:58

done. I'm just afraid for me and

43:00

my girl. I understand. You get what I'm saying? You

43:02

afraid you're going to come after you? Let me put

43:05

it this way. After all this was done, he said

43:07

I was going to show him what I'm saying to

43:09

you. Okay, thank you. I

43:11

think that's bullshit, but if you

43:13

take someone's life and

43:15

say you still go to love, we're lost.

43:17

What do you like? You

43:20

lock up. Oh, well. You go

43:22

to the same guy. What am I? Right.

43:25

Oh, wait. Is

43:28

he expecting anything out of him? Well,

43:31

he's got that right. He'll help

43:33

anyone out with anything, including

43:36

dismembering and disposing of body.

43:40

We're here. I just want to find out. You're fine

43:42

at it. I didn't talk to you. You told me

43:44

you might have it. You might have been arrested. No.

43:47

I'm going to do it. Am I going to be arrested

43:49

for this? I'm going to

43:51

take this. Here's where I got to go. I got to talk to you and then

43:53

I got to call my defense. I got to find out what's going on. I

43:56

don't know what I was going on yet. you're

44:00

going to be arrested for this, but

44:02

if we tell you that then you won't cooperate. Give

44:05

us the information we need to put you away. I'm

44:30

listening to the music. I like them.

44:32

I want to consider myself general. But

44:36

I've got to listen to what they consider it.

44:38

So we started talking and he said, well Matt,

44:40

you get along just fine with it. He listens

44:43

to the ICP continuously. So

44:45

we lost the library. Ah,

44:47

the library. One

44:49

place where people can loiter and not get

44:52

kicked out. A masterbatorium

44:54

for the homeless. This

44:56

is the spot. Andrew Forney, his

45:00

wife, Candace and Matt usually

45:02

went to trash talk, Jessica,

45:04

and come up with half-maked

45:06

quote unquote business plans like

45:09

growing tobacco, rolling cigarettes and shipping

45:11

them up to New York where

45:14

they could be sold for a higher price. Real,

45:17

you know, cutting edge,

45:19

genius shit, you know? Anyway,

45:22

by the time Andrew and Candace moved into

45:24

Jess's apartment, her and

45:26

Matt's relationship already had problems. Once

45:30

Matt's friends arrived, they kind

45:32

of ganged up on Jessica, deciding

45:35

collectively that she

45:37

was annoying, even though it was her

45:39

place. They were together, you know,

45:43

before we got there. They

45:45

continued to be a

45:48

couple until early February.

45:51

At that point, it started to be an on-off

45:53

thing, and then by

45:56

the end of February, it was just

45:58

off. just

46:00

want to get out of the apartment? Um...

46:05

Yes and no. I mean... It

46:09

was one of those weird situations where...

46:12

we wanted to move in because...

46:16

the strain of having a broken up

46:18

couple in a house is... really

46:21

annoying. It would argue a

46:23

lot. Uh... it

46:25

was a flare... and

46:28

it was a busy frame. I mean, initially

46:30

speaking, it was a busy frame.

46:33

What would that argue about? Anything?

46:37

I was scared about money... occasionally

46:40

they would argue about my wife and

46:43

I being there, but it was

46:45

Jess who intended us to be there at the

46:47

beginning of this. And then she

46:49

changed her mind later on, at which point... we

46:52

didn't have any place that we could do it to. When

46:55

we moved out of my mother-in-law's...

46:58

it was actually her husband who

47:00

owned the house. And

47:02

he had said, when you guys were

47:04

young, sit with no one back. So

47:07

if you kicked us out and we couldn't

47:09

get an apartment or anything local, we

47:11

had no where to go to. When

47:14

did you meet Chris Wright

47:16

and Sharon Crenshaw? I

47:18

think it was

47:22

probably himself. Four days

47:24

before then we met him at the

47:26

library in Urbana. Who was at the

47:28

library with you? Me

47:31

and my wife were there. And

47:33

we ran into Chris and Sharon. You

47:36

were a little out of Urbana Library? No,

47:38

I don't, but I'm a little familiar with her idea.

47:41

What do you describe it? The

47:43

computer room that's enclosed has

47:46

five computers in it. My

47:48

wife and I were in there. Chris

47:50

and Sharon came in. Chris thought I

47:53

was playing a particular Facebook game that

47:55

he also plays. He

47:57

asked me how I was doing so low in

47:59

it when he... was having trouble. I

48:01

knew some pointers. We started talking. Then

48:03

I saw he had a tattoo on

48:05

his arm that was in St. Clair,

48:09

posse related. And I said, hey,

48:12

you listen to ICP. He said, well, yeah,

48:14

we start talking like that. We

48:17

decided we wanted to try to hang out with them.

48:20

So we left the library

48:22

and we went back to the

48:25

house there. We told Matt

48:27

that we met this guy. He likes

48:31

ICP and all that stuff. He said,

48:33

well, we just took his library.

48:35

He said, yeah, they should be. They still have

48:37

a good hour list on the computers. So

48:40

he came with us. We drove back

48:42

to the library. They were just getting ready

48:44

to leave. We started talking.

48:48

And so you talked with

48:51

them there and then you guys went and got Matt

48:53

and then brought Matt back to the library so that

48:55

they can meet. I can't

48:57

remember if the first time we went to their place or

48:59

if the first time we went to Jess's place. The

49:03

first one we had was when they met

49:05

Jess. What

49:09

did they think of Jess? The kind

49:13

of list

49:16

was actually really. On

49:18

the one side they said, well, she

49:21

seems nice enough, but

49:23

there were certain mannerisms of hers

49:25

that got on her nerves. Jess

49:30

needs to get really close

49:32

to people and touch

49:34

them without permission, like a hand on her shoulder and stuff

49:36

like that. She had

49:38

her duty at the Chris and stood there

49:40

to a hand on her shoulder and was talking

49:42

to him and she ran up to it. She

49:48

did say

49:51

anything we needed, but Jess

49:53

went back into the bedroom. She said,

49:55

man, I hate when she does stuff like

49:58

that. his

50:00

recollection of the first time they all met.

50:30

I didn't believe you but I wouldn't do

50:32

it. You know what I mean? I would never do nothing

50:34

like that to my worst side of me. I got to

50:36

do that for her. She just too touchy. My

50:39

girl was upset about because she always used to do

50:41

this and I tell her she wouldn't listen.

50:45

But that would be no reason for it.

50:47

You know what I mean? Him and her,

50:49

Jeff Arvula and he kept telling her it

50:51

was her apartment but he was

50:53

talking about trying to start up a family. That

50:56

he wanted people in it. My

51:01

girl, me, Andrew, Candice, started

51:03

it. And

51:08

I'm shocked. I was like, I'm

51:10

Italian. I had

51:12

a choice way back then. To

51:14

be part of it. He wanted me to be

51:16

his captain. I guess underneath. He

51:18

wanted me to die. Which is bullshit. You

51:21

don't just get that. I don't

51:23

know if you know anything about Italians. You

51:25

work your way up.

51:28

That's just like any of these little so called

51:30

shitty gangs they have out here. You gotta work

51:32

your way up. According

51:35

to the group, three or

51:37

four days passed and the

51:39

five of them hung out at Jess's house

51:41

and at the library. All

51:44

while talking about how annoying

51:46

they thought Jess was. What

51:49

were you guys saying about Jess at that time? Well,

51:54

we said, look, this is Max X.

51:58

It's her place. and

52:00

we said that we were

52:02

trying to get her in

52:04

a wrong place to be able to

52:06

get away. So it's not her

52:08

you wish you wasn't around

52:10

or in your guys' life. That

52:15

was the whole point of moving away was we wouldn't

52:17

have to deal with her anymore. Well

52:19

I think more along the lines of talking about

52:22

getting rid of her or killing her at that

52:24

time. Possibly

52:29

in a joking manner. Did

52:32

you carry around the vial of

52:36

almond oil or something like that on the next

52:38

track? You said that you could simply get rid

52:40

of her by putting that in her drink. So

52:43

you said that when? I'd

52:52

actually had that for a couple weeks

52:54

and just never done anything with it.

52:57

Well I understand that but you told

52:59

Chris and Sharon that though right? Yeah

53:02

I did. Did you talk about that

53:04

with Matt too? I will

53:06

tell him that he knew

53:08

that she was allergic to almond extract. Sounds

53:11

to me like maybe

53:13

you guys have somewhat

53:16

been contemplating some of that

53:19

up to that point. Definitely

53:24

not seriously. Is it common for someone

53:26

to carry almond extract in their pocket?

53:28

No. So

53:31

you would agree with this if that's

53:34

not an common thing. And

53:36

if someone is potentially allergic to

53:38

something and there are

53:40

comments being made that you'd like to ever

53:43

kill, like to get rid of her, like to

53:45

something like that. You could

53:47

see and then that person still

53:49

ends up dead. You could see

53:51

where we could be in a

53:54

position to think maybe there

53:57

was more discussion about this, correct?

54:00

Yeah, he ate the so clean, and

54:03

it was allergic to peanut butter. We had peanut butter

54:05

in the house over time. We had candy juice

54:07

peanut butter all the time, and we joked at

54:09

him whenever one of the person had

54:11

a race he'd say, hey look,

54:13

it's chocolate death. But he was last

54:16

time. He was pretty good at carrying that around in your pocket,

54:18

and you

54:20

would joke with him about it. You

54:22

weren't joking with Jess about how many elements in your

54:24

pocket and showing her how we're actually working. Well,

54:27

you were telling us I did. We

54:29

saw a ball, you know, a cheese

54:32

ball. It was almond and

54:34

something else she said she was

54:36

allergic to. I

54:39

said, hey look, it's a little ball of death, and she started

54:41

laughing. I said, yeah, when she went full of the thing out

54:43

of her pocket, I said, hey look, it's a

54:45

little ball of death, and she started laughing harder. Why

54:47

would you carry that around in your pocket? I

54:51

don't know. Honestly,

54:53

I didn't joke.

54:56

When did you start carrying it around in your pocket?

55:00

I can't remember

55:02

if it was late January or May or if

55:04

it was mid-February. It was, it

55:07

was late about the time they started to

55:09

go anywhere once again. I

55:12

know that if they told me I was late

55:14

or somewhere, I'd be surprised to not be here.

55:22

I just felt that it's a many

55:24

time person lie, and we

55:27

told the story, talked to him. I

55:30

heard something to the extent of where

55:33

he was trying to see if

55:35

maybe Chris could do something about it and

55:38

just take care of her. What

55:41

do you mean take care of her? What do you

55:43

mean? Good

55:45

news. You

55:48

go a little bit more into that. What do you mean? Besides,

55:51

we understand what you mean take care of it. You

55:53

said you had heard something along. What

55:56

exactly did you hear? Who was around

55:58

in that conversation? The

56:02

day of the actual murder, nothing

56:08

truly significant

56:10

happened. The

56:30

group had just reached their limit with

56:32

Jessica, and Matt decided

56:34

to do something about it

56:36

himself. The

56:38

crew seemed totally comfortable discussing

56:40

the possibility of

56:42

a murder, so if he

56:44

did it and asked for forgiveness

56:46

later, perhaps they'd be

56:48

willing to help him deal with the aftermath.

56:52

He knew this would be a multi-person

56:54

job. It

57:22

was basically something that came in the

57:26

email. It

57:33

was an email message that I

57:35

can't take Matt anymore. I

57:38

don't even know who it was from, but

57:41

that came through. He and

57:43

her went to the back room to talk

57:45

with the door shut. They answered Candace and

57:47

she and her were up

57:49

in the front room outside of the two

57:51

desktop computers that were up there. I'm

57:54

not the only information I

57:56

have on their arguments.

58:00

Also, they lost some room in the

58:04

second hand. The

58:07

first one was at the living room. There

58:10

was a house

58:13

that was recently watching

58:16

movies and stuff on computers.

58:20

Jeff was in mass

58:22

detention and wanted

58:25

to take him to the back room to talk. He

58:27

said, look, we have guests. She

58:32

moved him to the room. A

58:35

little while later, he followed her in and

58:37

they were in there talking for a while. So

58:40

the only thing I have on what they

58:42

were talking about or arguing about is second

58:45

hand from Matt through letters that

58:47

you probably already have. This

58:50

whole story is so convoluted.

58:54

Clearly, with five different versions, detectives

58:56

could sift through and uncover something

58:58

close to the truth. As

59:01

per usual, the group of

59:03

them were apparently in the

59:05

front room communicating only through text message

59:08

when Chris got a text from Matt to

59:11

come into the back room. He called

59:13

me in the room. There was a hole here with a pull of

59:15

blood. Her

59:18

shirt was lifted up like under her boot and

59:21

there was a pull of blood. He said, so

59:23

did I grab a cross-line doing my stuff? She

59:26

said, she's feeling cold and this and that.

59:28

What did she say? She

59:31

barely talked. She wasn't really... She was

59:33

talking more to him. When

59:37

I seen the blood, I had to reach the

59:39

side. I mean, really crazy,

59:41

so I left the room. He

59:43

put me back in, I came back in, and she

59:47

was going in and out, like, not in

59:49

consciousness, but she was just wearing

59:51

it. You couldn't understand. She was, you

59:53

know, like, I'm talking to you now, you can hear

59:55

words out of my mouth. I couldn't

59:58

make half the sentences she was saying. So

1:00:01

he told me that he

1:00:03

said something about, he goes, the

1:00:06

only reason I did, he's telling her everything

1:00:08

he's doing. The only reason that I stabbed

1:00:10

you, that wasn't to put you out of

1:00:12

your misery. He told her that,

1:00:14

he said that was just to make you weak. And

1:00:17

I don't get that one. But he told

1:00:19

her to make her weak. Then

1:00:22

he said, I am going to put a bag in

1:00:24

the supper cage. He

1:00:26

told me, I'll leave the room again. I'm not traversed off

1:00:28

where I always get. Matt

1:00:32

did as he said he would, putting

1:00:34

a bag over Jessica's head to suffocate

1:00:36

her. She fought him,

1:00:39

ripping the first bag open. So

1:00:42

he covered her head with a second bag until

1:00:44

she was no longer moving. I

1:00:47

should have told you guys, but I was honestly afraid. You

1:00:51

already sucked over the knife once. What's

1:00:53

the state you guys will make it there? I'll leave

1:00:56

the second one right here. I

1:00:58

got six kids. First possibly one of them.

1:01:00

They said she's not, but I think she

1:01:02

is. Ah yes,

1:01:04

the old, I have to look out for

1:01:07

myself because my children need me. Excuse.

1:01:10

Where are these children anyway? Definitely

1:01:14

not with their dad. So

1:01:16

we leave the room. We hear a little bit

1:01:18

of, I guess, multiple noise. You mean

1:01:22

like they're talking? No, I think like

1:01:24

her being a supper cage or whatever. I didn't

1:01:26

know what it was. Exactly. I

1:01:28

didn't know if he did something different or whatever. Supposedly

1:01:30

he coached her and put the bag over her own

1:01:32

head. Do you think she was

1:01:35

in any kind of shape to do that? The

1:01:38

love that she had for him possibly. I

1:01:40

don't think she put the glue coat on

1:01:43

her. The

1:01:45

way she was right here, I

1:01:47

don't think so. She

1:01:49

was just laying on the bed, laying there.

1:01:53

She wasn't moving much. Her head was moving. I

1:01:55

don't think she actually had the strength to

1:01:58

put her bag in her leg. I

1:02:01

thought of myself just to give buzz,

1:02:03

I am here to make myself do

1:02:05

it. You don't go out.

1:02:09

You let go of the word. And

1:02:12

he hitched, I guess, scratches

1:02:14

on his arm from her

1:02:17

fighting, I guess, back. Then

1:02:20

he called us in the room,

1:02:22

me, my girl, Andrew, Candice, all

1:02:24

seeing the back, tightly, you know,

1:02:27

just, she was laying there, flexing. What kind of

1:02:29

bag are you talking about? Walmart bag or a

1:02:32

French drink bag. One of them is white plastic

1:02:34

bags. I think it was a white plastic

1:02:36

bag. I don't think

1:02:38

it was clear enough. And it was just right. Eventually

1:02:41

he's talking to her, and

1:02:43

she's not there anymore. What did you think? He

1:02:46

goes, I told you, I'd take you out. You

1:02:48

know, and this and that. I was like, oh, fuck. Now

1:02:51

I'm in a sessory. I

1:02:54

don't want to be, but I'm in the house. Right. I'm

1:02:56

in a sessory. I didn't call the cops. I said, oh.

1:02:59

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1:03:02

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1:03:06

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now they were going to

1:03:12

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1:05:30

On March 31, 2012,

1:05:34

just one day after 21-year-old Jessica

1:05:36

Sacco's landlord discovered her partially dismembered

1:05:39

body in the bathtub of

1:05:41

her apartment, five suspects

1:05:43

were arrested in connection to the

1:05:45

crime. Urbana

1:05:47

police had in their

1:05:49

custody 25-year-old Matthew Puccio,

1:05:51

25-year-old Andrew Forney,

1:05:54

25-year-old Candace Forney,

1:05:57

38-year-old Christopher Wright, and

1:06:00

25-year-old Sharon Cook. Matthew

1:06:03

Puccio was charged with aggravated

1:06:06

murder, felonious assault,

1:06:08

felony gross abuse of a corpse,

1:06:11

misdemeanor abuse of a corpse,

1:06:13

possession of criminal tools, and

1:06:15

tampering with evidence. Bail

1:06:18

was set at over half a

1:06:20

million dollars. The

1:06:22

rest of the group faced charges of gross abuse

1:06:25

of a corpse, abuse of a

1:06:27

corpse, tampering with evidence obstructing justice,

1:06:29

and failure to

1:06:31

report a crime. Their bails

1:06:33

ranged from $30,000 to $42,500. Everyone

1:06:39

but Matthew Puccio agreed to

1:06:41

take a plea deal, stipulating that

1:06:44

they'd share the whole truth

1:06:46

with investigators. Matthew

1:06:48

originally tried to plead not guilty

1:06:50

by reason of insanity, but eventually

1:06:53

changed his plea to guilty. Good

1:06:56

evening, I'm Cheryl McHenry. I'm John Paul James

1:06:58

Brown of Zoff, and our banner woman suffered

1:07:00

for hours before she was killed. That's

1:07:02

according to the man who told us he's the

1:07:04

one who killed her. News Center 7's

1:07:07

Jessica Hefner talked to the now-confessed killer

1:07:09

in the Tri-County jail and has this

1:07:11

exclusive interview. Jessica? Well,

1:07:13

there are five people in jail for

1:07:15

the murder of Jessica Ray-Sacko. I asked

1:07:18

all five to talk to me about

1:07:20

what happened, but only the main suspect,

1:07:22

Matthew Puccio, agreed, and he says about

1:07:25

that day is disturbing, and police are

1:07:27

still evaluating how much of it they

1:07:29

actually believe. Why

1:07:31

did you kill it? I

1:07:34

honestly don't know. He was brought in

1:07:36

from the jail in handcuffs. He told me he

1:07:38

only agreed to this interview to tell his side

1:07:40

of the story, of what his

1:07:43

relationship with Jessica Ray-Sacko was really like.

1:07:45

He says her personality drew them together

1:07:47

a year and a half ago. Being

1:07:50

there for me, when

1:07:52

I was going through psychotic breaks, he held me

1:07:55

and told me it would be alright. But

1:07:57

the night of March 21st, they got into an

1:07:59

argument... One he said started

1:08:01

because he'd received text messages. Sacco wanted

1:08:04

him dead. I said, if you

1:08:06

want me to have your life, I can just do it myself. What

1:08:10

did you say? I can't

1:08:12

be selfish like that. You have four kids

1:08:14

to think about. That's when he claimed

1:08:16

Sacco started begging him to kill

1:08:18

her. At Coronavirus, she died of

1:08:21

suffocation. Police say he used a

1:08:23

bag. Papucci admitted that's not

1:08:25

what happened first. She

1:08:27

was pleading with me to slash her

1:08:29

throat, slash her wrist, do something. And

1:08:34

I told her, no, I can't do that to you. And

1:08:38

she told me to stab her then. So I

1:08:40

just held my hand above her stomach. She grabbed

1:08:42

my wrist and pulled it into her stomach. So

1:08:45

how did that

1:08:48

get into the situation? The

1:08:50

bag that police say you put over her

1:08:52

head to suffer hair? That

1:08:54

didn't come into the situation until about six

1:08:57

and a half, seven hours later after I

1:08:59

stabbed her. Puccio claims he

1:09:01

held the knife in front of her torso,

1:09:03

but she reached for it. And he claims

1:09:05

she made him stab her. He also said

1:09:07

he wrapped the wound, held her, and in

1:09:09

his words, gave her a final kiss. She

1:09:13

asked me if I could just let her die already. I

1:09:18

thought there's only one way I can do that. It's

1:09:20

not going to be pleasant.

1:09:23

He cried as he described grabbing

1:09:25

a plastic bag and putting it over her

1:09:27

head. Weak from the knife wound,

1:09:29

he said it only took seconds. I

1:09:31

just laid next to him, cried. I

1:09:38

kept telling her I'm sorry. For hours,

1:09:40

he debated his next move. He then

1:09:42

said he called four friends, who also

1:09:44

would jail now for help. Why?

1:09:47

Why and hit everybody? I

1:09:51

was scared. He said they jumped

1:09:53

the body parts in some woods in Kentucky. He

1:09:55

then went to Hamilton to wait. It

1:09:57

would be eight days before police would find her.

1:09:59

her body during the time. Puchio said

1:10:01

he tried to come to terms with

1:10:04

what he did when police came for

1:10:06

him. He says he confessed. We

1:10:08

have no right to take someone else's life. No

1:10:11

matter what the scenario is,

1:10:13

he did. I know. And

1:10:17

I have to live with that. A

1:10:20

friend of faculty told me she'd been

1:10:22

urging her to kick Puchio out of

1:10:24

her apartment not long before he was

1:10:26

killed. Puchio told me he plans to

1:10:28

plead guilty and deserve the death penalty.

1:10:30

While Matthew Puchio

1:10:32

was telling 101 different versions

1:10:35

of what happened and why,

1:10:37

the others began

1:10:39

spilling the beans in

1:10:41

order to keep their plea deals alive. Unlike

1:10:45

Jessica, of course. That night

1:10:47

we ended up having to stay there. Me and

1:10:50

my girl and all the others who were

1:10:52

staying with him, me and my girl ended

1:10:54

up staying there because he told us to stay there.

1:10:57

He slept next to the body in the

1:10:59

bedroom. Wow, really? Yes. And

1:11:02

that right there got me even

1:11:04

worse because he said the column

1:11:07

buying and the auto mother had

1:11:09

nothing on them. I don't

1:11:11

know. I'm afraid to watch this movie. The

1:11:13

collector, he gave me a movie to watch,

1:11:16

the collector, and that's nothing we really could

1:11:18

do. And the

1:11:20

description of the collector, he

1:11:23

keeps buying parts as trinities. It's

1:11:26

just disgusting. I don't want somebody

1:11:29

buying parts as a trophy to bring in

1:11:31

a next big... No. I

1:11:33

don't know the movie. I'm still refusing to

1:11:36

watch it. But it's

1:11:39

just... And

1:11:42

then the next day, he

1:11:44

cut off the body. Tell me about

1:11:48

That. What was his reason for cutting

1:11:50

it up? To Get Rid Of It.

1:11:52

Okay, so he wasn't collecting parts from

1:11:54

it. No, that's what he told me

1:11:56

about the movie first. Always Also, tell

1:11:59

Me this. Why we're in

1:12:01

for the time muscle where you're

1:12:03

at. So have

1:12:05

had to go through the so. It's

1:12:08

a force. It was only am

1:12:10

an answer in this game show

1:12:12

than he has made eyebrows center

1:12:14

or less is I don't know

1:12:17

why is upstairs. And

1:12:20

your name is is just

1:12:22

the boss who's up for

1:12:24

and serious Andrew neighborhood as

1:12:26

dumb as a matter of

1:12:28

my boy. With.

1:12:30

Me arms are. Signs

1:12:38

and influenced by it was

1:12:40

you know is happy with

1:12:42

the same results. So sarah

1:12:44

job so he spreads away

1:12:46

from on the other governments

1:12:48

are we observe. Or

1:12:52

bad for some reason, how's

1:12:55

the first? So soon as

1:12:57

she wanted trust us suis

1:12:59

to have some rocks on

1:13:01

that last paragraph. He

1:13:05

has he had his

1:13:07

response. Towards. Ago it.

1:13:12

Started. Using

1:13:15

the car, Driving

1:13:17

licences or was. Dying

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versions here: Masri Thirty Two

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Source Control the source. Of

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funds were for an assignment was

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to talk them into power source

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that. Matter for so

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do same as. Those

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version was were massive amount owed she

1:13:37

was dead. Guy's.

1:13:42

Face or no answer to

1:13:44

the bathroom earned a tub

1:13:46

and started telling her corral

1:13:48

left arm off. Of

1:13:51

his mistakes are mistaken. I

1:13:53

was a shock. that's. Part.

1:13:56

Of the. First.

1:14:00

Years. And now the he

1:14:02

comes out says she said.

1:14:05

For. Whatever or injured out as our

1:14:07

pleasure. What is what are the say?

1:14:09

Yes yes he said she says. She.

1:14:14

Was also. Ah,

1:14:18

And then. That. Out what

1:14:21

time. Was.

1:14:24

Those. Is the toys seven

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or eight Sleep Woke up

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somewhere between eleven and. See.

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Where Nine Eleven while and

1:14:35

the decision at that point

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as well as I said

1:14:39

that Sergei Lavrov and thinking

1:14:41

about it we should move

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or and factor aids. Cast

1:14:46

the bodies feel. Now.

1:14:51

When we first got her.

1:14:57

Mother. Of right here in as was

1:14:59

thought that. Who

1:15:01

to? How to cut her up? How

1:15:05

something that. Doing

1:15:07

well, On

1:15:10

our aid ensues

1:15:12

immerse, superficial, Didn't

1:15:20

raise the. Singers

1:15:23

do. Well

1:15:26

to be fingers on earth in the

1:15:28

been easier to go. Ahead

1:15:34

and. Ah we

1:15:36

got so point where we saw

1:15:38

which is. That

1:15:43

reasons. To.

1:15:54

decide to do it to the

1:15:56

i was dreadful cutting

1:16:00

open the abdomen and removing,

1:16:02

you know, the

1:16:25

body. This is just

1:16:31

as far as it should go, period. This?

1:16:36

This situation where you've murdered and

1:16:38

partially dismembered an innocent young woman

1:16:40

in her own house? That's

1:16:44

as far as it should go, according to

1:16:46

Andrew and Chris. Dismember

1:16:48

her body. You don't take the

1:16:50

head off. Can't get the

1:16:52

arm off. You're under time,

1:16:54

age, strength, smell, all

1:16:57

that stuff. What do you guys do with the

1:17:00

body parts? The body

1:17:02

parts were placed into those trash

1:17:04

bags with the

1:17:06

intention of removing them and

1:17:09

getting them at another location. Where?

1:17:14

The original intention was to leave,

1:17:18

basically put one limb in each trash

1:17:20

bag and leave them at different dumpsters

1:17:22

throughout town here

1:17:24

in Urbana. And

1:17:26

they were the public, so

1:17:29

we had to search for

1:17:31

the thought process there. We

1:17:34

couldn't find locations that suited

1:17:37

our purposes, so

1:17:39

they ended up being

1:17:41

transported down the fence,

1:17:45

at which point the people that we were staying

1:17:48

with, Susan

1:17:51

Hunt, which is the

1:17:54

leading excuse mother, she

1:17:56

would Take him to

1:17:59

ditch the building. I'm

1:18:06

really not sure why this Linda lady

1:18:08

was not arrested. Maybe.

1:18:10

Somebody in the audience could clue me in. That's

1:18:13

a question we just weren't able to answer.

1:18:16

How on Earth did the stars

1:18:18

aligned so perfectly? That. At

1:18:21

minimum six people. Were. Involved

1:18:23

in the cover up. Every

1:18:26

one Jessica surrounding yourself with in

1:18:28

her final six months of life.

1:18:31

Was. Against her. Literally.

1:18:35

Every one. Call

1:18:37

him Answer! Honestly,

1:18:45

World's fault. With

1:18:49

salt. Because.

1:18:53

I don't think he

1:18:56

was completely inconsistent. So

1:18:58

foolish. But

1:19:00

and Alsace. Do

1:19:04

I. But.

1:19:12

You. Will get

1:19:14

us. To

1:19:16

story some aspirin and eight. From.

1:19:19

No time at all or whatever was.

1:19:23

You call us now one at a

1:19:25

garage and want to die. But.

1:19:29

Mass sasser. Over

1:19:33

recover her pillow there was. This isn't

1:19:35

a room to her neck, This is

1:19:37

an online to arrest as as as

1:19:39

you know. This

1:19:43

novel on overflows. You.

1:19:45

Don't call and I'll or

1:19:47

Gms about boy. Save

1:19:50

her life. but that's why you

1:19:52

know try same live with myself.

1:19:55

With. know like all as you

1:19:57

a your Well,

1:20:03

I'm sure this is about to come straight up, but

1:20:06

I don't ever believe that suicide is the

1:20:08

answer to anything. I feel

1:20:11

extremely strong about that. I'll

1:20:13

touch whether I love her at that time

1:20:15

or not. I've

1:20:17

called EMS and the industry

1:20:20

is just taking care of her. I actually

1:20:22

loved her and was trying to

1:20:24

convince her to stay checked in

1:20:26

at that mental hospital for longer

1:20:28

because honestly,

1:20:31

she needed that. She was

1:20:33

extremely depressed on

1:20:36

a long-term basis. Well, we got some Facebook

1:20:39

messages you guys back and forth that are

1:20:41

closer to her death where you guys don't

1:20:43

like her at all. You're basically

1:20:45

just staying there because you needed a roof over your head and

1:20:47

you didn't want to sleep in a van. Let's

1:20:51

not go into the whole

1:20:54

representation that's not. I mean, if you guys didn't like

1:20:56

her at the time... The reason why

1:20:58

I didn't call right then is because,

1:21:00

honestly, since I knew

1:21:03

he wasn't thinking straight or thinking

1:21:05

at all, I didn't

1:21:07

want him to get... But

1:21:10

for a small little wound, I... So

1:21:13

long as the soul... S2

1:21:16

carries a penalty of the date as

1:21:18

opposed to murder that

1:21:21

carries potential death penalty. Again,

1:21:24

I was not thinking clearly and I

1:21:26

am pretty new at doing that. So...

1:21:33

It would be safe to say that you

1:21:35

guys expressed your displeasure with Jess and

1:21:37

how you guys didn't like her at the airport. Did

1:21:41

you guys talk about wishing

1:21:43

her gone with Chris and them? Never

1:21:47

got mad yet. Did you

1:21:50

guys talk about killing her

1:21:53

with Chris

1:21:55

and Shure? I didn't.

1:21:58

I think I got mad and I just... I

1:22:01

have no idea

1:22:03

what that stupid shit said. I

1:22:07

did wish everyone might. I have

1:22:09

no matter. I

1:22:13

have no effect on it really. I

1:22:16

guess I wish she wanted to. You

1:22:19

know what I mean? She knows

1:22:21

the way. I

1:22:23

didn't want to say this. Yes,

1:22:27

they did want it to happen. And

1:22:31

then it happened. Cause

1:22:33

and effect. Consequences

1:22:37

to actions. How

1:22:40

many times have we told this

1:22:42

story? This

1:22:44

group of quote unquote loyal people

1:22:47

would have been thrilled if Jessica

1:22:49

had stayed institutionalized after a suicide

1:22:52

attempt so they could just live

1:22:54

freely in her house without her

1:22:56

around. That

1:22:58

didn't happen though. So

1:23:01

they took it upon themselves to allow

1:23:03

the craziest among them to

1:23:05

carry out this horrible act while

1:23:08

they stood by and

1:23:10

watched waiting to help

1:23:12

clean it all up when it

1:23:14

was all said and done. Now

1:23:17

listen, you're going to

1:23:19

be very disappointed when

1:23:21

you hear the prison sentences

1:23:24

for these degenerate morons. Matthew

1:23:27

Puccio received a sentence

1:23:29

of life in prison with the possibility

1:23:31

of parole after 30

1:23:34

years for the aggravated

1:23:36

murder charge and an

1:23:38

additional 12 years for the other charges.

1:23:42

Oh yeah. And one of the

1:23:44

people Matt was cheating on Jessica with was

1:23:47

a 14 year old girl. So

1:23:50

he copped an additional three years for that. His

1:23:53

co-defendants received varied sentences.

1:23:57

Andrew Forney Got just 10 years in

1:23:59

prison. Candice Forney

1:24:01

got six years. Cause. You

1:24:04

know she's female. She.

1:24:06

Did after forfeit her van though. The

1:24:09

vehicle used to transport

1:24:11

Jessica's body parts. Christopher

1:24:14

right Got. Just. Four

1:24:16

years. His girlfriend share

1:24:18

in cook got three. With.

1:24:20

Good behavior that's like a cakewalk.

1:24:24

The Ohio Department of Rehabilitation

1:24:26

Correction states that Christopher Right

1:24:28

is currently. A Fugitive.

1:24:31

And is at large. Most

1:24:33

likely for violation of the terms

1:24:36

of his parole. Hearing

1:24:38

these sentences, you're probably realizing

1:24:40

that everyone except for Matthew.

1:24:43

Is out of prison. Andrew

1:24:46

even has his own brand new Facebook

1:24:48

account! Believe it or not, To

1:24:51

say hi. Actually, don't

1:24:53

just to stay the fuck away. See

1:24:56

the fuck away from these people. All of have. Nothing

1:24:59

good. Can come. From

1:25:01

surrounding yourself with people like this.

1:25:04

A lesson, Jessica. Should.

1:25:07

Have lived. But didn't. Have.

1:25:12

Isn't it just crazy how some

1:25:14

people can make agree, just mistakes

1:25:16

in their life and then walk

1:25:18

away a few years later like

1:25:20

nothing ever happened. All

1:25:22

of the perpetrators in this case of

1:25:24

family members. Who. Now after

1:25:27

live with this horrible stain

1:25:29

on their family name. Most.

1:25:32

Importantly, This. Prime

1:25:34

took Jessica Sacco away

1:25:36

from for loving parents

1:25:38

and siblings. She

1:25:41

may not have been perfect. She may. Have

1:25:43

had demons and. Issues.

1:25:47

Lc. maybe even been annoying? Who knows.

1:25:50

But. Who cares? He. Was

1:25:53

innocent. She. Deserved a

1:25:55

chance to live. To learn

1:25:57

to grow as a person. To.

1:26:00

Realize that. Insane Clown Posse

1:26:02

is. Not. Good music. Period.

1:26:07

And I don't mean to make light of

1:26:09

the situation, it's it's a really horrible, horrible

1:26:11

thing. That's. Happened here. But

1:26:14

I can't help but seal. For

1:26:16

just because Poor mom. Who

1:26:19

tried to give her a chance? He tried

1:26:21

to. Steer. Her in the right

1:26:23

direction. But at some point

1:26:25

you gotta let the little baby bird out of a nest.

1:26:28

And. Hope for the best. And.

1:26:31

Life doesn't always turn out. The

1:26:33

way. You. Hope it will. All

1:26:55

right that's going to do it for another

1:26:57

one. Thank you so much for joining us

1:26:59

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1:27:48

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1:27:56

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1:27:58

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1:28:00

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1:28:02

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1:28:05

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1:28:10

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