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Why? Don't know. What's.

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Going on, everybody welcome to another

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edition of Talking Elite Fitness Happy

0:14

Post Quarterfinals to everybody who celebrates

0:16

I'm Sean Woodland alongside Lauren Kahlil

0:18

and Tommy Marquez. Two thirds of

0:21

this panel did go through the

0:23

quarterfinals workouts. How to go for Yuzu? More

0:27

and you know it's. Yeah,

0:30

that's a loaded question, I know.

0:32

So I did all for my

0:34

workouts and forty eight hour window

0:36

starting Wednesday night in ending through

0:38

Friday afternoon. Okay, they went pretty

0:41

well. Ah, there were some limitations

0:43

of that, like I did. I.

0:46

Did well in that lift. then I did

0:48

well in the first. At first that the

0:50

intervals one. Ah, I knew as

0:52

good take my medicine on the street pants pushups and I

0:55

did. but I'd I did our i hit my goal. But.

0:58

The one where I really I i think I

1:00

underperformed was the fifties work out. Idling

1:03

that back to back with the skill. work

1:05

out one and out. From.

1:07

The get go like anyone who is there and watch and

1:09

cheer me on. I. I was planning

1:12

on doing it with some friends. Someone else wanted

1:14

to do another quarter final work out and needed

1:16

help with it. so I did. And. Then

1:18

that resulted in me doing it by myself. And.

1:21

I was just a big old. Pouty.

1:23

Fish Face of A and I actually

1:25

like. My second round of fifty of

1:27

the fifties was faster than my first

1:30

one because the first mom is just

1:32

spent like huffing and puffing every time

1:34

for yourself. Yeah. So am.

1:38

I. Have some more on on my overall thoughts but

1:40

I i i later on the show but I

1:42

had I had a good time. It was a

1:44

really good time for a lot of people on

1:46

our gym and allowed people participated. We. Had

1:48

some people move on. The semi finals for age groups.

1:51

Ah, And so I thought it was

1:53

a a pretty good. Ah, sequences

1:55

of test for a lot of people do get

1:57

ball that the it and it was a more

1:59

and version of quarterfinals than I've seen

2:01

in the past like from our whole affiliate perspective. Yeah

2:03

it was cool we had a lot we had quite

2:05

a few people I shouldn't say quite a few handful

2:07

of people at MC Fit who went through them and

2:10

they seemed that you know I enjoy I'll put that

2:12

in air quotes but it was it was a

2:14

good challenge for him. Lauren you had to do yours you had

2:18

to make the best of your circumstances there at the old tactical

2:20

games. I did

2:22

unfortunately I was probably

2:25

over an hour from any closest

2:27

to gym I was

2:29

stuck on a like acres

2:33

and acres and acres ranch so

2:36

I had somebody who was competing that

2:38

weekend bring me a rower bring me

2:40

dumbbells bring me a women's barbell and

2:43

all the things that I needed to

2:45

do out at this ranch the

2:47

weather did not cooperate so I

2:50

was doing the wall ball burpee

2:52

box jump over workout in the

2:54

rain in the mud at 6

2:58

45 a.m. with no music and

3:00

just the thoughts of myself. Billy

3:04

once said blame it on

3:06

the rain. I didn't

3:11

get attacked by any scorpions

3:13

snakes or spiders so I

3:15

was really happy about that and I am

3:18

putting it on the record I will

3:20

never ever ever complain about doing wall

3:22

balls inside an affiliate again because it

3:24

can always be worse. I'm a little

3:26

upset that my Millie Vanilli reference

3:28

went way over your head. I like to shine but

3:30

I will say

3:34

that your like idea of a successful

3:37

sequence it sounds very much like a

3:39

toddler coming home from preschool with an

3:41

active imagination. Hey how was your day?

3:44

It was great dad I didn't get

3:46

attacked by any spiders or you know

3:48

dogs with shields

3:50

on them. Oh man yep.

3:53

Alright so I did three of them out

3:55

in the wilderness and then one

3:57

I finally had a little bit

3:59

of time when I got off my flight to go do

4:01

in the gym and you know what I

4:04

learned you had every excuse to not do

4:06

them and you did so good on

4:08

you Lauren Kaleo. Thank you. Well

4:10

we have a lot to talk about today

4:12

there is carnage on the quarterfinals leaderboard going

4:15

on right now we're going to have a

4:17

deeper discussion about that with our good friend

4:19

and Masters champion Jason

4:22

Grubb and then we will also go ahead

4:24

and just talk about some of the headlines

4:26

in other areas that have

4:28

been making news in the past few days

4:30

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but it's great. I love everything about

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my Garmin. Yeah. You can customize the face. Tommy

8:40

and I are still rocking the generic face. Lauren's

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Lauren's got a fancy band. Yeah.

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9:06

All right. Headlines. Let's get into that and

9:09

we will start with quarter

9:12

files are done. We're going to get into that here in a second. That

9:15

leaderboard is still being finalized, but the

9:17

first thing was, this was reported

9:19

yesterday on the barbellspin.com and

9:21

that is that for the first time

9:24

ever, athletes are going to receive uniforms for semi-finals

9:26

provided by Northern

9:30

spirit. Now these are optional for the athletes to

9:32

wear, but

9:37

regardless, they're going to receive these as a memento.

9:40

And if you go on the

9:42

barbellspin.com and you check out the article, it has

9:44

all the, it has all the details about that.

9:46

So you can have like all the, the way

9:48

they look, they

9:50

have all the stuff that the athletes are going to be

9:52

given. I'm a fan. Like you give me uniforms at semi-finals. Like

9:55

That is the hardest time ever to identify. Why

10:00

are we could? They all were different. southwest of numbers are

10:02

so every now and you'll get a team that. Causes

10:05

a huge favor and put like of the team name in

10:07

their name on the back. That's awesome! I.

10:10

Haven't seen the back of using that oh no fab a

10:12

number in the name on the back, but any sort of

10:14

thing that has some sort of number that you might be

10:16

able to read to make our lives easier. I'm all for.

10:18

But again, these are arsenal. And

10:21

I'll say that when I asked you both,

10:23

where's that? Where's the line for you guys

10:25

In terms of idea people? Because I think

10:27

of for teams when there's so many people

10:29

on the floor. It certainly helped out. But

10:31

if it, but if. The name

10:33

and the number or not prominent

10:36

enough for the announcers to see

10:38

very clearly distinguish quickly wouldn't Is

10:40

it better or worse than had

10:42

everyone been wearing different stuff? See,

10:44

you can leave, Call out the

10:46

fact that they're wearing something unique.

10:49

Set out of everybody has and white shirts

10:51

on the floor and that is the size

10:53

of the five I don't know about. You

10:55

sign your wearing glasses so I i think

10:57

we're in the same boat. But there's no lab

10:59

that either name. Some. Know I said our.

11:02

Eyes are both I ah

11:04

yes, it's more. Is

11:06

it is much more? I think it is

11:08

much more necessary for teams. But.

11:10

If they're all the same color. That's.

11:13

A problem because a lot of times

11:15

for us if and. Try

11:17

to draw the viewers attention to a certain lane.

11:20

I can say. It. He's

11:22

in the blue top, upper left, hand,

11:24

forty or screen. So.

11:28

Yes, That is something to consider me. I would

11:30

be halted. There are different colors. Yeah, I

11:33

think in the very least it's a

11:35

very cool gesture from Northern Spirits. Yahoo

11:37

kind of up. The. Athlete

11:39

experience at the semi final. Because let's be

11:41

honest for the majority people going to semi

11:43

finals this is the into their road social

11:45

A day get something that signifies I was

11:48

an athlete. They're beyond. just like the basic

11:50

I think back in the day Reebok used

11:52

to give him like. Reebok. Regionals

11:54

two thousand twenty and on the back of the

11:56

athletes are you could like know that you're an

11:58

athlete but I get have. In with your

12:00

name, your number, your affiliate, whatever it

12:03

is your associations on that I think

12:05

is a lot is pretty cool. Yeah.

12:08

Yeah. I think if anything it's

12:10

a really cool moment. Tell by

12:12

it since it's optional. I forsee

12:14

most athletes at least the ones

12:16

that have sponsors said when and

12:19

apparel company they're gonna be. Representing.

12:22

Those yeah I see the keeping

12:24

of is not being mandatory I

12:26

think. There are

12:28

probably some some red tape behind the scenes

12:31

around around it being mandatory noxious from sponsors

12:33

same pointed administrative but like Assay to Prague

12:35

I imagine if you have a would have

12:37

something to say about whether or not they're

12:39

forced to wear a uniform that were just

12:41

announce. Less. Than a

12:43

month before. None is not being spoiled

12:45

are anywhere in the rulebook. So for

12:47

the a lot of the big name

12:49

athletes, it's an appearance fee. It's it's

12:51

wearing the stuff it's supporting. The sponsors

12:53

are supporting them in a very real

12:55

whale and live competition, so it's a good

12:58

earning opportunity for them or at least

13:00

to like a snack Boxes Responses: So

13:02

I think you get a significant pushback

13:04

from the athletes to I'm surprised this

13:06

wasn't announced earlier because I heard about

13:08

this in January. Yeah, and. Someone

13:10

who I think is free dial in told me that.

13:13

This. This deal that Nord and Spirit

13:15

that they had a very. A

13:18

very large impact on semifinals being

13:20

able to go off as plant.

13:23

Yeah. I mean. It's

13:25

it's cool that third, they're getting an opportunity

13:27

to work with. and then I'd. I'd

13:30

have to think about it now because it's a different.

13:33

It's a different proposal. With.

13:36

The splitting off of that age groups and.

13:39

Ah, the adaptive. But I

13:41

mean if you think about.

13:44

What? Northern Spirit is doing.

13:46

There's seven semi finals. With.

13:49

Forty athletes each at of for

13:51

the Sun individuals right? So you

13:53

have five hundred and add just.

13:55

Ruff. Math: Five hundred sixty athletes.

13:58

Wearing. your stuff Plus the

14:00

teams. That's

14:03

more than what you're going to get at the games. For

14:05

sure, absolutely. And if you go to their

14:08

website, they're already offering apparel that

14:10

has a process logo

14:12

on it. You

14:15

glitched out there a second. You turned into

14:18

a robot. You

14:21

go to the Norden. Oh,

14:25

yeah, they have cross-bit branded stuff too. Right.

14:27

So I mean, good

14:30

on them. Anybody that can support

14:32

this, great. And I

14:34

hope it works out. And again,

14:37

teams, I think, Tommy, back to your point

14:39

that you made earlier, if

14:41

the teams wear them, that would be ideal because

14:43

that's chaos out there. And

14:45

it would be very nice to know. And different

14:47

colors. Sure. Or

14:49

just alternate it. Just give me three colors and then

14:52

we're OK. It's

14:55

not pivotal for the individuals,

14:58

especially when you get to those later heats when you have 10 to

15:01

12 people on the floor and more. We're

15:04

probably going to know who they all are. Right. And

15:06

with the heat sheet, you can match it up. So

15:09

teams, put on your

15:11

uniforms and help make our lives

15:13

easier. It's a great place. It's

15:15

greatly appreciated. Yeah. OK,

15:17

next, we found out

15:19

that Catherine Davis' daughter is

15:22

not going to be competing. This

15:24

year, she announced this

15:26

on Instagram. And she

15:28

wrote, it is with a heavy heart that I share that

15:31

I will not be able to compete in this 2024

15:34

CrossFit Games season. I've been dealing

15:36

with back injuries pretty much my whole career. But this

15:38

year will be the first one that I am not

15:40

able to fight my way through. And then

15:42

she goes on from there. But

15:45

here's the crazy thing. And Tommy and

15:47

I were talking about this when we first heard about it. This

15:50

is the first time since

15:52

2008 when the games were still in

15:57

aromas that

15:59

neither Catherine veteran David's daughter nor Annie

16:01

Thoris daughter will be at the games.

16:05

One of those two, if not both, have been

16:07

at the games every year since 2009. That's

16:11

an incredible, it's an incredible streak and that

16:14

and one that's unfortunately coming to an end

16:16

for two of the women that really have

16:18

to have been

16:20

been two of the biggest pioneers in the

16:22

women's division in terms of bringing

16:24

it to a mass market appeal, right?

16:28

You had Annie as one of the first kind of

16:30

like queens of the sport winning back to back and

16:33

you had a transit a transitionary year when Sam Briggs

16:35

was the fittest on earth and you could even argue

16:37

that maybe she might have been on 2014 hadn't it

16:39

not been for a single

16:42

handstand walk and then Catherine,

16:44

her duels with Tia were

16:48

legendary in 2015 and 20 in 2016 specifically. And

16:53

I think not only did it catapult Catherine to the

16:55

forefront but you

16:57

think the ripple effects of just those performances

16:59

that she had, it launched com train as

17:02

a huge camp as

17:04

the premier camp at the time overtaking, you

17:06

know, the likes of Invictus and NorCal and

17:08

all those things because of what Catherine was

17:10

able to do after not qualifying and then

17:13

I think those losses ultimately you talk about

17:15

like the

17:17

adversity effect that has happened for

17:19

whether it's Froning or Fraser, that

17:21

same thing happened to Tia by

17:25

virtue of her battles with Catherine

17:27

and so the, I

17:29

don't know, what's the

17:31

better word beyond ripple effect just of her

17:33

performance over these last decade and a half

17:35

is I can't be

17:37

overstated I think. Well

17:40

then Catherine, you mentioned

17:42

Annie Thorstauer, Annie was the reason like

17:45

Catherine got into it. Yeah. It's

17:48

it stinks that you know all these things, all these

17:50

errors are going to come to an end and

17:52

I don't know what the future holds for Catherine. I'm

17:55

assuming she's going to try to come back, given

17:58

what she did last year, I think there's still plenty of. You

18:00

know plenty of road left there, but it

18:03

just yeah, I don't you get used to it's

18:05

just you don't feel right having the games without

18:07

any or Catherine there's oh yeah that the games

18:09

are here and that's where they of course

18:11

got to have them here. But

18:13

now opportunity for somebody else. So, but

18:16

it's also a clue in that like the

18:18

stars and people that were anchors for us

18:20

in the sport like eventually there comes a

18:22

time when you're when you're when your days at

18:24

the top are done and you know I think

18:26

if you talk to anyone two years ago they

18:28

thought it was done for Catherine when she didn't

18:30

qualify and then she proved them wrong by coming

18:32

back and finishing top 10. But

18:34

you know she will by the

18:37

time she in theory comes back. She'll

18:39

be 32 and starting

18:42

to move towards the the

18:44

proximity of age group divisions

18:47

and who knows maybe that comes with a shift

18:49

in mindset a shift in lifestyle approach and shift

18:52

in priorities. So

18:55

ultimately that is it's like this is an opportunity

18:57

to appreciate what she's done for sure and

18:59

what she's been able to accomplish in the sport

19:01

and how many top 10s and how many podiums

19:03

and how many times against whatever the naysayers online

19:05

might say she's just been able to prove people

19:08

wrong. So I think it's a hats off to

19:10

her for sure. And

19:12

then moving on from Catherine another athlete Bailey rail has

19:14

also announced that she will not be competing this season

19:16

but not for injury reasons. This is more of a

19:19

found a different calling that I want to pursue just

19:21

temporarily. But I think if you from

19:24

what I remember seeing on Instagram with the clip

19:26

that was pulled from I think it was a

19:28

mayhem podcast with our good friend Rory McKernan. She

19:31

said I'm going to come this

19:33

I'm going to come back. This is just

19:35

yeah temporary for now. Yeah,

19:38

and you know, there's

19:40

on the flip side of that this is someone

19:42

who's is feeling pulled in the other direction and

19:45

she has the opportunity to do so. So

19:48

yeah, I

19:50

cheap on her Instagram.

19:52

She links to the video of her discussion.

19:54

So anyone that is curious, you can go

19:56

learn a little bit more about that. Yeah,

20:00

it's it's it's fascinating just how

20:02

many how much now we have in terms of

20:04

turnover at the games with people that won't be

20:06

back this year All

20:09

right another retirement this happened today as we record

20:11

this on Wednesday the 24th And

20:14

this is one I know Lauren you've known about for a little while and

20:16

that is our good friend. Rob Kearney is Retiring

20:20

from professional straw man competition. Rob has

20:22

been in the game for 15 years. I

20:24

think he's a former American record

20:26

holder in the log press He

20:29

is a fantastic human being he's part of that Hwpo

20:32

crew Up there under

20:35

Matt Fraser. He's a affiliate owner

20:38

And like I said if you've ever had

20:40

a chance to meet him just a great guy He's on

20:42

death by a lot with Lauren has some really good perspectives

20:44

about some of the things

20:47

that I think CrossFit can take from the strongman

20:50

world to be more successful from Putting

20:53

on maybe shorter competitions and how to get the athletes

20:55

in front of people more often He'll

20:57

be competing Rob will at World's Strongest Man And

21:00

I think it's in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina is

21:02

where that competition is and that is in May

21:04

and then one that it's It's

21:07

a career for him, but just want to

21:09

wish Rob all the best congratulations and congratulations

21:11

on a great career as well Enjoy that

21:13

time off Rob you've earned it. I

21:15

just hope he still dies the beard From

21:18

time to time I hope so

21:20

too and he is looking

21:22

for Fake beards

21:24

that people can put on that

21:26

he will like custom die. It's

21:29

your idea by the way. I Really

21:32

hope that it follows through because can you

21:34

imagine as you're on your

21:36

competition stage and you look out and just

21:38

everybody and tie-dye beards

21:44

Yeah We'll have Rob

21:46

on a lot more I

21:48

think in the near future to get his

21:50

perspective not only on CrossFit stuff, but Also

21:54

on the world and anywhere no he's such

21:56

a just here. I've said this about a

21:58

couple people if you ever meet Anyone who

22:00

says, Rob Kearney, that guy's a jerk. Don't ever

22:02

run away from that person. Yeah,

22:05

he's a bad egg. Rob Kearney's

22:07

a genuinely good human being. And if

22:10

you ever have a chance to meet him, talk to him.

22:12

Take it, because you will be better

22:14

off for it. You will have a positive impact on

22:17

your life. OK, the next thing we want to

22:19

talk about is apparently

22:21

there's a video issue going on with some

22:23

athletes. In quarterfinals, Laurie

22:25

Cunha is one of them. They

22:29

allegedly uploaded

22:31

videos to YouTube that

22:35

had copyrighted music in them. And

22:37

these are videos of workouts that they did during

22:39

quarterfinals. YouTube took

22:41

the video down, and then that resulted in

22:44

a zero score from CrossFit. Is

22:47

that more or less, am I understanding that correctly, Lauren? Yes,

22:50

that is correct. And I'm pretty sure

22:52

we've had this issue with athletes in

22:55

the past years. I mean, it's not

22:57

new that YouTube will take

22:59

down your video if there's copyrighted music

23:01

in it. I

23:04

think, I

23:07

don't know if there needs to

23:09

be a section in the PFAA

23:11

handbook on how to properly upload

23:13

to YouTube, or if coaches or

23:15

managers need to walk their athletes

23:18

through this. It's just a shame

23:20

to see, because again, just another

23:22

technical issue that could be avoided

23:24

if the knowledge was there, or

23:26

if the information was there, or

23:28

I mean, there's so many rabbit holes we

23:31

could go down. But hopefully it gets resolved

23:33

from CrossFit. I know that she posted on

23:35

her Instagram and said that she had reached

23:37

out to them and let them know

23:39

and is sending timestamps of the workout

23:42

to prove that she did it within the window.

23:44

So currently now at

23:46

2.45 PM

23:49

Eastern Time on Wednesday, April 24, there

23:51

still is a zero with her score,

23:53

but still time to see if that changes.

23:56

And so just so we're clear, PFA

23:59

does have an article. of about competing

24:01

online score submission best practices. It

24:04

goes through all the different things,

24:07

whether it's like having a stand

24:09

for your phone, reliable recording devices,

24:11

charging your recordings, doing a test,

24:15

putting it in do not disturb so you don't get a

24:17

call. Let's

24:19

see. I've got the post up on the screen or two,

24:22

you need to translate it, but essentially

24:24

it was 24.1 that got

24:26

taken down. Yeah. Let's

24:29

see. It also

24:32

says, there is some video upload

24:34

stuff there too, but

24:38

even like on what happens if it goes

24:40

wrong, how can

24:42

you fix this? So there's

24:46

that aspect to it, but there's also the aspect

24:48

that I think it's important is

24:51

another reason why athletes should read the rule

24:53

book and read it again, double, triple check

24:55

it because for assuming

24:58

Laurie has some sort of access to

25:03

a gym or a registered

25:05

judge or a judge in general, that

25:08

is not, a video is not required

25:10

to submit a score for quarterfinals. In

25:12

the rule book, it states that you

25:15

just need to, like the

25:17

video can be requested of you if you

25:19

have a qualifying score. So

25:21

you don't need to go through the whole

25:23

upload process early and ahead of time if

25:26

you're not submitting it as verification of your

25:28

score right then. So if

25:30

I'm one of the top athletes in the sport, if

25:34

I don't have to upload a video yet,

25:36

just to avoid the technical aspects of it,

25:38

I'm not. Right. I'm

25:40

making sure I'm at a gym, I'm making sure

25:42

I have a judge and making

25:44

sure I trust that judge to hold it

25:46

accountable. I'll have my multiple angles of videos

25:49

and then I'll submit my score normally with

25:51

a judge that's registered and

25:53

when they ask for the video, then I'll provide it

25:55

to them because there's

25:58

no reason to run that risk. right? And even

26:00

then you when you do that, you

26:03

can, you can use

26:05

it as unlisted, or maybe even do it

26:07

as a private to avoid it, or just

26:09

mute your video, like get to the point.

26:11

And this is pretty simple, and probably something

26:13

most people should learn. You can

26:15

go up to the point where you have

26:17

to announce yourself and show your your weight.

26:19

And then right before you you

26:22

start your, your music or

26:24

whatever and start the clock, just mute the video.

26:29

iMovie is great. All computers,

26:31

all Mac computers have it.

26:35

Yeah, but I think Tommy, you bring up a really good point

26:37

about get a judge validate

26:39

your score, have the video ready to go in

26:41

case you need it. That one, you

26:43

don't even need the judge to validate two

26:45

records, like affiliate managers don't have to validate

26:48

scores. You just they just show it just

26:50

allows you to submit the score without a

26:52

video. Yeah, and it

26:54

it's now

26:57

granted, Laurie has been away for a little

26:59

bit because of the the the tainted supplement

27:01

ban, but it's it's

27:04

one of those things like man, you

27:06

got it, you got him. And I'm guilty of it myself. And

27:09

we'll find out later. But like you got to make sure you

27:11

cross the T's and dot the I's and

27:13

don't make it harder on yourself than you need

27:15

to. But you're not you're

27:17

not a professional athlete. Correct. professional

27:20

athlete. And she's not the only

27:22

one who has had this issue. There are

27:24

other athletes who have done this. Yeah,

27:26

it's just a shame that you get to

27:28

this stage of her comeback year and

27:30

hopefully CrossFit is able to resolve it.

27:32

But you hate to see this potentially be

27:35

the reason for somebody not advancing. Yeah,

27:37

I think this sounds like something that should be

27:39

able to be resolved because it wasn't like it

27:41

got submitted late, it got submitted and take it

27:43

down. So that's not. Yeah,

27:46

a little bit of a gray

27:48

area. But what's what's important is

27:50

that you get the score submitted

27:53

beforehand, more than

27:55

likely when the video got pulled

27:57

and the CrossFit system recognize that

27:59

there was not actually a video and zeroed

28:01

it out. Um, and

28:04

since you, there should be record of

28:06

you submitting an actual score. Um,

28:09

as long as that's in the record, usually crosses

28:12

what game support is really helpful with that. Um,

28:15

particularly when we saw it with like Miriam

28:18

Von Roar and Grace Walton, who was submitted

28:20

the wrong score. Yeah. Um, they

28:22

just put their reps at the last barbell

28:24

and not the total reps. And

28:27

they got that corrected because they

28:29

had, they had, uh, proof of

28:31

them submitting a score or putting a submission

28:33

in before the window, and then they were

28:35

able to provide, you know, some video and

28:37

proof otherwise. So it's, yeah, it's

28:40

making sure you have a plan. So you don't have to,

28:42

you don't have to put yourself in

28:45

unnecessary stressful situations. Yeah. Okay.

28:47

Well, moving on to our next thing, and this will

28:49

lead us into a discussion on quarter finals. I want

28:51

to talk about the Taylor versus the world thing that

28:53

went on this last weekend where you had Colton Merton's

28:55

Taylor self, Dallin Pepper, and Jason

28:57

Hopper throwing down. It was over on the

28:59

seven podcast. They showed that and

29:01

congratulations to Jason Hopper for winning this whole

29:04

thing. 5,000 bucks. He walks

29:06

home with, like the success of

29:08

that is to

29:10

me, it's just, it's further proof and

29:12

Rob Kearney, speaking of him has talked

29:14

about this on death by

29:16

about crossing competitions. First

29:20

of all, people want to watch elite athletes throw down. Yeah.

29:23

Secondly, clearly, this doesn't, this was

29:26

four workouts over a couple of

29:28

days. That's

29:30

all you need. You don't need, uh, an

29:33

event that looks like what a Palooza or

29:35

the rogue invitational you can get, you reps

29:37

the head is a perfect example of this.

29:41

Two people throwing down in a workout. This is not

29:43

necessarily about finding the fittest. It's about finding who's the

29:45

best at either this one test in the case of

29:47

reps ahead or these four tests in

29:49

the case of what we saw with Taylor versus the

29:51

world. And CrossFit

29:53

should be paying attention. Yeah. We had a great

29:56

question from one of our patrons last Friday. I

29:58

think it was Noel Beltran. I'm sorry. if it

30:00

wasn't, who asked about

30:02

quarterfinals announcements and whether CrossFit

30:04

should be doing it. In a perfect

30:06

world, yes, but I don't think that's money they're

30:08

interested in spending. But stuff like this, this Taylor

30:10

versus the World shows that there

30:14

is a desire for this and good

30:16

on everybody who put this thing on and gave the

30:18

community something to watch over the weekend. Now, I don't

30:20

necessarily think this was drumming up

30:22

interesting quarterfinals, but

30:25

it was drumming up interest in what these four guys were doing. Yeah,

30:27

I think it's also like it's creating athlete

30:29

stories, right? Because there's a continuation of like

30:32

what happened in the open. And

30:34

in the open, like, I think

30:38

the biggest winner from all this is Taylor, right? Because yeah,

30:40

and he made it. Congratulations to him to make it. Yeah,

30:43

there was a little bit of drama about what he

30:45

qualified because he was outside of the line after the

30:47

first two tests granted he smack smack the other ones.

30:49

But also in that first workout where he went head

30:52

to head with down and put up what was basically

30:55

until the end when when Colton

30:57

submitted a score had the best time. So

31:00

that's people

31:02

are interested in athletes storytelling.

31:05

People are interested in athlete storytelling with

31:08

actual real competitive touch points throughout the

31:10

season, right to see them throwing down and

31:12

the what results of

31:14

that. And yeah, I think

31:16

it was a good example of that. Sure.

31:19

Well, and it really created the

31:21

hype through Instagram, because the way

31:23

that these men were like goofing

31:25

with each other and creating memes,

31:27

it just added that extra excitement.

31:29

And you started getting behind certain

31:32

athletes to cheer for. And I

31:34

think that that's something that our

31:36

sport needs more of. And it's

31:38

just the tip of the iceberg

31:40

to get more content like

31:42

that in the space. Absolutely. Yeah, so good

31:44

on everybody for putting that on. And congratulations

31:47

to all four athletes and congratulations to Taylor

31:49

self for getting the semi

31:51

finals looking forward to watching him compete in the East.

31:54

Yeah, along with that semi final. Yeah,

31:56

that and we're gonna do that later.

32:00

But those are our headlines for

32:02

the week Okay, let's get into the

32:04

crux of our show and this is not gonna be the

32:07

second time we've recorded this because we had a plan and

32:11

Cross it yesterday said here's

32:14

that punch in the face. You no longer have a plan

32:18

At least I said well, I guess we got to

32:20

redo that and we wanted to bring in the four-time

32:23

defending champion in the 45 to 49 year old division

32:26

our good friend Jason grub to help us work through

32:28

this because Not only is you know

32:31

Jason has a great perspective on what's going on right

32:33

now with the penalties But I also Jason wanted to

32:35

open up by just asking you Everything

32:38

that happened with the Masters leaderboard where that didn't there

32:40

were some technical glitches there and I know in an

32:42

online competition You can never fully

32:45

avoid a technical glitch You

32:48

were you were out front talking to

32:50

people about this. How do you think that whole situation was

32:52

handled overall? it

32:54

was Slow slow on CrossFit

32:56

part to address the issue. I think we

32:58

could all agree on that that You

33:02

know, the leaderboard is scores are due at

33:04

7 o'clock It was documented

33:06

that the leaderboard will be updated by 8 o'clock.

33:08

That's my time. So just talking in my own

33:10

reference So it's 7 o'clock. I'm submitted. I'm doing

33:12

some work at my desk here at 8 o'clock.

33:14

I turn on my camera I'm doing some behind

33:16

the scenes of my quarterfinals experience

33:18

I'm ready to reveal the leaderboard and I

33:21

wait till like 815 and I refresh Nothing.

33:25

All right. All right, get this get back to work.

33:27

I stopped the recording 9 o'clock. Nothing 10 o'clock. Nothing

33:30

go to bed Like any

33:32

Masters athlete I get up to pee in the middle

33:34

of the night And

33:38

I expose my face to blue light in the middle of

33:40

the night and it refresh I'm like, oh, it's 4 in

33:42

the morning and it's not updated That's

33:44

concerning and then of course 8 a.m. 9

33:46

a.m. 10 a.m And

33:48

and I actually you know, I've got people Messaged

33:51

me left and right and people

33:53

are angry now a little bit angry that it hasn't

33:55

been updated So I you know,

33:57

I don't know why I decided send

34:00

a message to Dave Castro just

34:02

on Instagram like, Hey, man, just,

34:05

you know, I think, I think probably an update would

34:07

be really helpful. I think like the optics on this

34:09

aren't good. And Dave Castro

34:11

responded immediately, which is always like, whoa, I got,

34:13

I got a response and it was just very

34:15

to the point, the tech issue. We're

34:17

working on it. We don't need to

34:19

make a statement. You know, of

34:22

course this looks bad. This is what he said,

34:24

but that's Dave, right? Oh, what do I expect?

34:26

He is very direct and he's clearly working and

34:28

I within 15 minutes, and this isn't because I

34:30

made a message, but within 15 minutes, they

34:33

updated Twitter. They updated the cross the games text,

34:35

letting everyone know, Hey, the technical issue. And of

34:37

course we all know it's a technical issue, but

34:39

I mean, I think even before you go to

34:42

bed last night, just a quick little post on

34:44

Instagram says, Hey guys, we're on

34:46

it. We're working on it. And my analogy

34:48

to that is like, like my, my

34:50

power company. Okay. I don't know if you guys, where

34:52

you live, if you have a choice on power companies,

34:54

but I don't, I've never lived. You just, that's

34:57

the power company. It's a monopoly. They just take

34:59

my money every month regardless. And

35:02

I hate them so much for that. But

35:05

when the power goes out, they send a

35:08

text message saying, Hey, we know power's out,

35:10

we're working on it. We'll give you an

35:12

ETA. We have the worst. Comcomerance

35:14

in the world can do that. And

35:16

that's all we needed. It's just a, Hey, this little

35:18

reassurance. Hey guys, we're on this. Don't worry. We'll get

35:21

it up. We have no idea what's going on, but

35:23

we'll, we'll get your back. And then I

35:25

think in retrospect, all is forgiven once, once the

35:27

leaderboard is up. I almost

35:29

forgot that that happened until you brought it up. I was like, Oh

35:32

yeah, that's right. It was delayed. Wasn't it so

35:34

much has happened since then already. But

35:36

if we, we have a leaderboard and it, and

35:39

just to delay, you know, with masters athletes, there's

35:42

this, there's this challenge with this being the, a year

35:44

where there's, you know, a new fresh face to the

35:46

masters competition and all of that. And so when

35:49

our leaderboard doesn't get updated, everyone takes it all

35:51

personally. Like, you know, CrossFit doesn't care. You know,

35:53

there's just another way they, you

35:55

know, are, are, are deprioritizing masters, and I

35:57

think they just had a glitch in them.

36:00

in the matrix, I mean, what are you gonna do? Tech

36:02

issues happen and they could have just sent out

36:04

a quick message like my power

36:06

company or cable company would do. Other

36:08

than that, once it's live, it

36:11

looks good. I was happy with the

36:13

results, I was like, okay. It's

36:15

great, I hope video

36:17

review holds up. That's

36:20

a segue, Sean. Yes, that's a segue. Video

36:23

review holds up. And that one stirred up on

36:25

a silver platter like you've done this before. Well,

36:27

let's talk about that because like I said, we

36:29

were originally gonna go through just these top storylines

36:31

coming out of quarter finals and all that got

36:33

wiped away with these penalties that are resulting from

36:35

CrossFit looking closely at

36:39

workout number one. And Mike

36:41

Halpin, known and knowable, I believe this

36:43

is an Instagram handle. He has

36:45

a free link that you can look

36:47

at and I can pop this up on the screen

36:49

right now. There's more

36:51

than 64 people with the link

36:53

opened right now. Right, like everyone's through with this.

36:56

The line I have, I was

36:58

just going through it is there's a

37:00

couple of names now who are on

37:02

the outside looking in. They were in a qualifying

37:04

spot and now they are out of one for

37:06

semi-finals. Paige Powers being the most notable. She dropped

37:09

98 spots due

37:12

to a penalty in workout number one. That's the,

37:14

if you're watching this on YouTube, you

37:17

can see that highlighted on your screen. She

37:19

was in fifth and she dropped down to 103rd out because

37:24

of this penalty. And Sydney Wells is another big

37:26

name athlete who was in a qualifying spot, Gaines

37:28

veteran who is now on

37:30

the outside. But what do you

37:33

guys, I mean, this is the only word I

37:35

can think to describe this as carnage. Yeah,

37:40

I mean, before we

37:42

kind of dive in in like personal opinions,

37:44

I want to be clear around like this

37:46

has been something that has been come

37:49

hand in hand with quarterfinals pretty

37:52

much since they've been instituted

37:54

under the new-ish. But

37:57

somebody changing system. You go back.

38:01

To 2023 we had hundreds of penalties

38:03

that were applied on the leaderboard during

38:05

quarterfinals now granted there was

38:08

potentially more tests And

38:11

there were potentially scrutinizing and requesting more

38:13

videos. So naturally that would be the

38:15

case But I do think

38:17

we do we do get a little bit of

38:19

recency bias Anytime big games and penalties are involved

38:21

to be like, oh my gosh, this

38:24

is crazy It's never happened before or maybe

38:27

people haven't been punished to this extent But go

38:29

back you can I mean you can look up

38:31

quarterfinals penalties cross it games 2022 and the list

38:35

I mean, I think I want to say we're

38:38

one of the workout to test two. I

38:40

know test one in 2023 had

38:44

over a hundred penalties alone

38:46

and that was one of the multiple tests there

38:48

and So

38:51

and now granted the severity of the penalties might have

38:53

been a little bit different there were a lot of

38:55

minor penalties in those instances, but It's

38:59

it's not unusual that we have You

39:02

know the hammer dropping like this To

39:06

me the bigger question Well,

39:08

I have a lot of questions But

39:11

it when I look at who's receiving

39:13

penalties There are a handful of names

39:15

that you wouldn't necessarily expect to see

39:18

receive penalties like Patrick Velner I don't

39:20

know that I've ever seen him name

39:22

on a Penalty list

39:24

and there was a 25 ranked difference

39:27

for him So to me that's significant as

39:29

an athlete who's a veteran in the space

39:31

that overall I think moves very

39:34

well Also, as

39:36

you mentioned, I think Tia was massively impacted

39:38

by the penalties so I think that to

39:40

me that's one of the bigger questions and

39:42

the other one is a lot

39:45

of these training camps hired folks from The

39:47

AFJ those are the judges that Judge

39:49

at the CrossFit games if they can't

39:52

get it right for quarterfinals. What does

39:54

that say about the games and

39:56

Jason? I'm curious on your thoughts with that

40:00

Yeah, I mean, I was absolutely shocked when

40:03

I discovered that they did have

40:05

those games judges, that

40:07

they hired judges to bring in, like good on them.

40:09

I think that's really cool to have a camp where

40:12

something like that happens. And it

40:14

elevates the – or

40:17

prioritizes, like, the importance of quarterfinals, of the

40:20

qualifiers. They're that big of a deal. It's

40:24

surprising that athletes got dinged there, but I

40:26

would say that one of

40:28

the big differences that I've experienced between live

40:30

competition, like at the Games or the Legends

40:32

Championship, big, big competitions and qualifiers

40:35

is, you know, qualifiers, the standards are there. You have to

40:37

read them. It

40:39

takes a lot of manual effort to get to

40:41

know the standards. And every

40:43

year that I do that, I read it. I

40:46

highlight. I've got it there with

40:48

me on paper. This year, one of the guys

40:50

I train with, he's an attorney. He had a binder. So

40:53

he'd always just pull out the binder. It's awesome

40:55

to have an attorney do this. He

40:58

knows the standards, but we are

41:00

meticulous on that in that sense. And that

41:04

should influence our movement patterns

41:06

in the qualifiers. But at the Games,

41:09

I think one of the reasons why at the

41:12

Games you tend to see no one cutting any

41:14

corners – they're pretty much

41:16

very good reps – is that you get this talk.

41:18

You get this talk before you go out on that

41:21

competition floor about the standards from the head judge. And

41:24

they make it dramatically clear what no reps are showing

41:26

up. And they'll just let you know, like, hey, if

41:28

your chest isn't getting to the floor on those burpees,

41:30

you're going to get a no rep, right? You're

41:32

like, oh, okay, get your chest down. Like, you don't want

41:34

to no rep at the Games. Or if you don't show

41:37

lockout on the top of that ring muscle up, you know, a

41:39

lot of people aren't showing lockout. They are very clear on that. So

41:41

you go out and you execute perfect

41:44

reps. So you don't lose any reps at the

41:46

Games. Even on the fastest

41:48

workouts, you see a crispness to

41:50

the movement patterns if someone can

41:52

do the movement. In quarterfinals

41:55

and semifinals, you know, you're racing a

41:57

clock. It's a virtual competition. You don't

41:59

know where anyone else is. that and

42:01

you don't have that someone telling you

42:03

beforehand that prejudged talk that says, hey,

42:06

this is what cross is going to watch out for

42:08

you're probably gonna watch those step ups, you're probably gonna

42:10

want to make sure that you could get that row

42:12

or in the video, right, make sure you stand up

42:14

on snatches because here's kind of the sticky spots when

42:16

you don't finish a snatch. For

42:19

me, I've seen people get

42:21

dinged and I've done this long enough in

42:23

qualifiers that I, in

42:25

my mind, I was like on the step ups,

42:27

I am going to squeeze my butt at the

42:29

top of every step up and make it dramatically

42:31

clear with a hip hop that I am up

42:33

there. I'm gonna, I know how to do these.

42:36

And I also know that from experience last

42:38

year, Tommy, like you said, last year, quarter

42:40

finals, a lot of Masters athletes got dinged

42:43

on these box jumps that we had in one of

42:45

the quarterfinal workouts, you would get up on that box

42:47

and box jumps are notorious penalty

42:50

creators, because if you don't stand up all the

42:52

way, it's really clear in a video and you

42:54

get off. So I was like, Oh, step ups,

42:56

we're going to need to make sure these

42:59

are super clear. I'm not surprised with that

43:01

in mind, that that's one of the workouts

43:03

that they're really focused on. Because you could

43:05

short box step ups and in a minute's

43:07

time, a fight gone bad style workout, you

43:09

should get a couple of extra reps in

43:11

there. And it turns out that

43:13

a couple of extra reps by doing one leg at

43:15

a time tapping your foot on top of the box,

43:17

instead of standing up on the box, these little cheat

43:19

codes turned out to be really, really

43:21

painful. And it's something you wouldn't see at the games.

43:25

Again, big competition, the judge is going to say, Hey, some

43:27

people are just tapping the box on top of that step

43:29

up, not standing up tall, that is a no rep, you're

43:31

not going to you want to not do that. And

43:33

you don't necessarily have that in quarterfinals.

43:36

And I don't think it's necessarily CrossFit's

43:38

responsibility to share

43:40

every possible way with every single

43:42

rep that you could try

43:45

to short a rep. It was clear, you know, stand

43:47

with your back to the barbell. This is

43:49

what a snatch was like, what a box step up should look

43:51

like at the finish. And

43:54

it's a huge bummer when you see something afterwards.

43:57

I had a bunch of people, this last thing I'll say a bunch

43:59

of people since the this morning, it's a busy

44:01

morning, send me videos, masters out, hey, are

44:03

my reps good? Are my reps good? And

44:06

you know, I've got to respond to some

44:08

of them saying, you know, there was a couple

44:10

soft reps in there. I can't,

44:12

then you would show a really good rep. If you had

44:14

a soft rep, then you showed a good rep. So you

44:17

have to, you got to be careful. And I'm

44:19

just, if someone sends me, if you'd like, Hey, this is what

44:21

I saw, it's a little soft.

44:24

So there's two things I want to tell me,

44:26

I don't know if you had anything you wanted

44:28

to jump in there with. Well, I want to

44:30

say like Jason's point about having that instantaneous feedback

44:32

as an athlete in that constant, like almost pruning

44:34

of movement and adjustments also

44:36

applies to judges too. Right?

44:38

If you're a judge is out on

44:41

the floor, and maybe a couple of reps that they're

44:43

focused on one thing, that's where the

44:46

head judge comes out and makes that

44:48

adjustment on the fly too. And that

44:50

that like fine tuning throughout live competition

44:52

as it's happening is also just a

44:54

gap in what we see between the

44:56

online competition and live competition. So

44:58

while yeah, you hired these

45:00

games judges who do

45:03

a good job in live competition to

45:05

refine this, there's also a

45:07

feedback loop piece that's missing in

45:09

this process that could potentially like,

45:12

you know, cause major issues with

45:14

penalties. And I think

45:16

we've seen it a few times already with some

45:18

of the people that athletes have brought in. Well,

45:21

and that's, so that's the question I wanted to ask Jason, we were

45:23

talking about this a little bit before we came on here, but have

45:26

you you've never received an online penalty,

45:29

like a penalty for an online movement?

45:31

No, I have not received a penalty

45:33

online, not yet. I've refreshed even while

45:35

we've been doing the show, I've refreshed

45:37

the leaderboard multiple times. So far so

45:39

good. Let's just knock on wood here.

45:42

But I in, you know, I've

45:44

been doing qualifiers since 2016. And I've

45:46

never received an adjustment. Okay,

45:48

so that's the Lauren said,

45:50

some of these athletes, I think, well, I had a

45:52

judge here who said everything was good. That

45:55

does not take the onus off of the athlete

45:57

to then go watch that video. Like you have

45:59

people. Sending right nobody's you and

46:02

and make sure because you're gonna catch it's just like

46:04

any other sport You're gonna catch things on video that

46:06

you're not gonna see in real time from the angle

46:08

that you have It's why there's

46:10

video review in just about every single professional

46:12

sport because they understand that the human element

46:14

isn't going to account for things It happened

46:16

almost instantaneously and you can't make

46:18

a snap judgment on that. You need to see it slowed down And

46:22

what it's also Good. I

46:24

was gonna say it's also very hard

46:26

to be a judge Okay, there's professional

46:28

judges watching some of these athletes, but

46:31

I would say in the Masters community. I didn't know one that I

46:33

know of Hired a

46:35

judge to come right? We've got you

46:37

know registered judges, but I judged somebody

46:39

and it's so Hard to

46:42

give no reps. It's not really

46:44

really hard and I always have

46:46

a very clear talk with my judge In

46:49

a qualifier like you have to know

46:51

rep me I will look I'll give you a

46:53

high-five for every no rep you give me after

46:55

this is over like watch for the no reps

46:57

call them out make them loud so that I

47:00

know and Then we both

47:02

win because then I'm not gonna get hit

47:04

with a penalty later And

47:06

I don't want to redo this workout So if

47:09

I don't touch my hand on the padding on

47:11

a GHD to start the rep Call

47:13

the no rep and I've had I've had

47:15

no reps happen I've missed the mark on

47:17

wall balls and those no reps they suck

47:20

to receive But as a judge

47:22

you have to give those out again so

47:24

that I don't have to repeat the workout That would be

47:27

probably the worst outcome. I don't want to repeat these I've

47:29

given everything and I don't have time to repeat them and

47:31

then to of course I don't want to receive you

47:34

know something from HQ. That's way more painful

47:36

than the judge Afterwards and

47:38

I imagine that some of these judges have

47:40

got to feel this unique pressure like I

47:43

am at mayhem I'm so honored they hired

47:45

me to come here, but you know I

47:47

got rich watching me You know I got

47:49

some of the idols of the sport watching

47:52

me judge Paige Powers who is a world-class

47:54

elite athlete What kind of

47:56

weird internal dynamics going on there with that

47:58

judge? Should they have no

48:00

rep? Is it on the judge? It's on the, it's on

48:03

everyone. When it comes down to, of course, like

48:05

you said, it is on the athlete to check their video. I

48:08

do. I check my videos. I mean, guys,

48:10

I have two cameras running at all times.

48:12

I check both videos to make sure that

48:14

even my backup video is good. So I'm

48:16

not only relying on one video. I'm

48:18

a little crazy about it, but, um, I think that's

48:20

how you have to be. Well, and that's, so that's

48:22

something that you,

48:25

everyone wants at all levels of

48:27

the sport, everyone wants it to be

48:29

more professional. But

48:31

I think a lot of times what's lost

48:33

in that statement is that that also requires

48:36

an, an elevated, uh, amount

48:39

of attention that athletes need to pay to what they're

48:41

doing as well. That's not just cross it saying, Oh,

48:43

we're going to offer more money and have better events.

48:45

It also means when we have these online portions that

48:47

athletes need to conduct themselves as professionals and do the

48:50

things Jason, that you're talking about. And it seems like

48:52

I would guess that the vast majority of the more

48:54

or less are doing something like that. Maybe not to

48:56

the extreme that you're going to, but

48:59

I agree. I agree. I think the

49:01

vast majority are, um, absolutely. And

49:03

it's not to say that people are, are

49:05

being lazy on this. I've never, I've

49:08

never been in a place where I've done qualifiers

49:10

where I've seen anybody being flagrant or intentional. Um,

49:12

but it, it, it does come down to, I

49:15

mean, I was at one of the training camps last year and

49:17

I was going head to head actually with

49:19

another athlete in the 40 year old age group and we

49:21

were doing box jumps in a workout. I

49:24

was racing him. He kept me going so

49:26

fast, uncomfortably fast on these box jumps, but

49:28

it helped my score. He's a tremendous athlete.

49:30

He's seven years younger than me. And,

49:33

you know, after it was all said

49:35

and done, workouts are submitted. He

49:37

calls me afterwards. He's like, Jason, Hey, will you

49:39

look at your video to check my reps? They're

49:42

giving me no reps on these box jumps. I check

49:44

my video and I'm like, Oh my God. Oh

49:47

no, these are no reps. I'm so

49:49

sorry. These aren't, these aren't good reps. I didn't

49:51

see, I didn't, I couldn't see it in the

49:53

competition. And when I'm checking the video afterwards, I'm

49:55

looking at my reps. I'm not looking at the

49:57

peripheral reps, but I think it is onto the.

50:00

Like he says, on the athlete to just

50:02

double check, it's, it's my responsibility to submit

50:04

that clean video. If I

50:06

want to move on in a sport that I've

50:08

been training for it, we take this so seriously

50:10

throughout the year that it's not worth

50:13

risking anything to not have an absolutely

50:15

clean video. Go to HQ. Well,

50:18

I have a question and maybe this, sorry,

50:20

Tommy, you can go first. I

50:23

was gonna say that's why I think there's a

50:25

slight disconnect between how people view that statement that

50:27

Sean made of we all want it to be

50:29

more professional, right? I think,

50:31

I think there is, there

50:34

is a select few athletes and I,

50:36

and I think you're, you're definitely included

50:38

in this Jason, where you want, you

50:40

want professionalism across the board, you understand

50:42

what that requires both from HQ and

50:44

the administrative part of it, and

50:47

the responsibility of the athlete to meet them at

50:49

that level too. But I think

50:51

because we've had a

50:53

multitude of slip ups, whether it's HQ not

50:56

adhering to their own created deadlines that they

50:58

set for themselves and missed schedules and things

51:00

that are left off and rule books being

51:03

amended mid-season and all of these things. I

51:05

think what immediately comes to mind for a

51:07

lot of athletes is like, Hey, we want

51:09

more professionalism from the

51:11

other side. And then I think

51:14

we have a tendency to point the finger across the

51:16

aisle. So you have athletes saying like, yeah, we want

51:18

it more professional. We're expecting that from HQ. And

51:21

then you have HQ saying, yeah, we want more

51:23

professionalism too. And we're expecting it from these athletes.

51:26

And I think there's a point in time

51:28

where everyone has to stop and be like,

51:30

Hey, we all have to be professional here.

51:32

We all have to hold up our end

51:34

of the bargain. Otherwise we shouldn't be necessarily

51:36

throwing stones. That's a really tough gap to

51:38

bridge when you have a lot of athletes

51:40

that are not used to operating at that

51:42

level or aren't used to getting no reps

51:45

or an administrative staff that's

51:48

being shortened or has cut budgets and things

51:50

like that. And it gets pinched

51:52

on all sides. And I think we're seeing

51:54

the ramification of that right now. And

52:00

I'm asking this question not because

52:02

I have necessarily an opinion one

52:04

way or another, but how much

52:06

emphasis are we then putting on

52:08

quarterfinals? We're essentially asking

52:11

the athletes to move

52:13

differently because it's an online stage

52:15

and because judges have the ability

52:17

to scroll back, watch again, put

52:19

in slow motion, compare with lines

52:22

or whatever, where as in-person

52:24

competition, once you get to the final

52:26

two stages, semi-finals in the games, these

52:28

decisions are made on the spot. So

52:32

essentially to me it seems like,

52:34

and based on the spreadsheet of

52:36

all the updates Mike Helpen just

52:38

made, that we're putting all of

52:40

our eggs in a quarterfinal stage which

52:42

is not even in person. Well.

52:45

And a lot of resources. I

52:48

mean, this is my thought.

52:50

I think that you should always be

52:53

moving well regardless of if it's online or in

52:55

person. And everyone

52:58

is being held to the same set

53:00

of standards here. It's not like, you

53:02

know, when

53:05

you're live, there is a

53:07

human element that is a part of that.

53:10

Everyone understands that. Everyone knows that you might get a judge who

53:12

calls things a little bit differently, but that's why the head judge

53:14

is there. And how many times have we seen it on the

53:16

broadcast? Here comes

53:20

Chuck Carswell. Here comes Adrian Bosman in the background.

53:22

He's like, yeah, you need to take a look

53:24

at that. And then that correction is

53:26

made. But everybody is

53:29

on that level playing field. It's the

53:31

same thing with quarterfinals. It's like, you're not

53:33

putting more emphasis on it. You're putting the right emphasis on

53:35

it. You're saying, this is a standard. You need to adhere

53:37

to a standard. I'm sorry, my dogs are going nuts. And

53:41

like, if you don't, you're going to get penalized. And that's

53:44

the way it always should be. You just have more tools

53:46

to make sure that that's the case in quarterfinals. And it's

53:48

not like the athletes are going into this blind. They have

53:50

the ability to watch their videos. They have the ability to

53:52

go do it again. And the submission windows were even bigger.

53:55

So you had more time to do that. And

53:59

so it's not like. They just said you got one shot you

54:01

got ten minutes to do this send the video and you don't

54:03

even a chance to look at It and then we are gonna

54:05

take more time that we did not afford you to look

54:08

at it. So it's like I think You

54:10

know the the emphasis there's a lot of emphasis being put

54:12

on it But everyone has an equal opportunity

54:14

here to make sure it's right But

54:17

do we think that judges should be able to Rewind

54:19

slow down or should they actually have

54:22

to watch it as if it's live

54:24

and judge accordingly in

54:27

quarterfinals Yeah, and

54:29

yeah, well that's what they're doing. But again

54:31

in a live competition No

54:34

one has the opportunity to do that again

54:36

in these online competitions Everyone has multiple days

54:38

to do the workout watch the video sit

54:40

down with our coaches. Did I do this

54:42

right? Maybe we should do it again. So

54:44

everyone still has that opportunity. Yeah,

54:47

you have a live judge It's like just because

54:49

I wore my seatbelt means I'm not gonna get

54:51

an accident Yeah So I guess I think let

54:53

me allow allow me to paraphrase what you're saying

54:56

Like Sean if the judges are given an extra

54:58

fine-tooth comb the athletes are also given that by

55:00

the opportunity to Review their own

55:02

video do it multiple times have more lenient

55:04

windows as well It's almost like we're giving

55:07

both sides the to the tools to kind

55:09

of fine-tune a little bit. Yeah. Yeah So

55:14

that's fair. I think that's fair. Go

55:16

for the individuals You know They have

55:18

to thread such a such as just

55:21

such a tight needle to get to

55:23

semi-finals with masters You know,

55:25

we've got the top 200 going so there's

55:27

there's a little more wiggle room in there,

55:29

right? And for the individuals man It

55:32

is you know, those windows are

55:34

so tight in each region for

55:37

the right athletes to get in that I I'm

55:40

agreeing because there's more time there can

55:42

be more scrutiny on the judging side

55:44

of things I don't know I

55:46

don't unless you guys know actually behind the scenes. Do

55:49

they actually so down the videos? I

55:51

mean they can but do they yeah, I was

55:53

actually doing this the background I've watched I've watched

55:55

someone go through a video review before and really

55:57

what they'll kind of do is they just they

55:59

watch it one time through just

56:02

to get a sense of things. Like,

56:04

okay, how do you go that might not look good. And then I think

56:06

they make some notes and then they go back through. And then

56:09

they look at those notes and they say, Okay, this, this

56:11

doesn't look good. This doesn't look good. This doesn't look good.

56:14

Now, if they're getting to the point where they got to

56:16

slow it down, they get positive at a thing like that,

56:18

I haven't seen that. Yeah,

56:20

what they do look at things multiple times, and then they

56:23

have someone else looking at it, they kick it up the

56:25

chain, like, here's what I saw, and then someone else looks

56:27

at it. So there's multiple sets of

56:29

eyes on these. It's not just

56:31

someone sitting there, you know, some popcorn in the

56:33

space. No, no, what? Oh,

56:35

I got to get back to this. Like they go they they

56:37

take this very seriously. And they

56:39

do. I'll say one

56:42

note about their their time. Sorry,

56:44

sorry, do people think that elevating

56:46

up the chain automatically means you're

56:48

gonna get hammered more. I've

56:50

seen it the other way to where going

56:52

up the chain sometimes removes penalties or like

56:54

actually that was close, but someone with a

56:56

little bit better eye or angle is okay.

56:59

Sorry. No, that

57:01

was right. All I was gonna say was

57:03

that I've you're right about the how detailed

57:05

they are, you can't be eating popcorn and

57:07

counting 100 reps on a

57:09

GHD and giving someone credit for only 49,

57:11

you know, or 99 because that

57:13

has happened. I've

57:15

seen that. Like, I mean, I can't

57:18

imagine what it'd be like to be watching

57:20

these videos and counting reps like that. But

57:22

good on those judges for taking the time

57:24

to be to have that level of scrutiny.

57:27

Or I mean, take that the count box

57:30

step ups. I mean, that is arduous, arduous

57:32

work. Yeah.

57:35

And you know, look, we've seen video review at

57:37

the CrossFit Games before. I mean, it was 2017, right when

57:40

Carl Saunders failed

57:44

to do an exercise like certain saying cross the finish line. And

57:46

she's like, I'm done. My judge told me and they went back

57:48

and they had to review it and say, okay, this is how

57:50

much time it took. And this is what we're gonna penalize you.

57:52

Like that's, you know, so that's, that's

57:54

part of it. But I man,

57:57

I guess the thing that I keep thinking is imagine if

57:59

they if they were looking at every single video. What

58:03

the- I know

58:05

for individuals they've requested two at least. Yep,

58:07

I heard that. So if you

58:10

wanna talk about- Not over. You have 150

58:12

burpee box jump overs that

58:14

you gotta review now. And I know

58:17

how it felt doing that and how pouty that I

58:19

was. How really my mind wandered,

58:22

but that's, and

58:25

we're still just only seeing the first, the

58:27

results of the first workout. But that's

58:29

not the- reps

58:32

being subtracted isn't the only penalties we're seeing.

58:34

We're seeing people get zeroed out. Multiple people

58:36

get zeroed out because of the 24 hour

58:39

video submission rule and people not adhering to

58:41

that. And that has caused, I

58:43

would say in some instances, some pretty

58:45

devastating effects too, with I

58:48

think, Freya Mooseberger and I

58:50

didn't see Caitlin Van Ziel on

58:52

the leaderboard too. Of people like

58:54

basically either it got filtered

58:56

to their spam folder or they didn't

58:58

even receive the email and it just

59:00

got, their score got zeroed out. Okay,

59:06

I have five thoughts on that. And I'm gonna

59:08

go to Jason on this one. Jason, you know

59:10

again as a competitor, that

59:12

you have got, you wanna go to the next stage, that

59:14

you have got to video all

59:16

of your workouts, okay? When you

59:18

submit your scores, do you submit your videos along

59:20

with them? Absolutely.

59:23

Why? Yes. I

59:25

don't wanna miss that email. I don't know. I

59:28

don't wanna leave any stone unturned. I know

59:30

I've got good videos. I submit them so

59:33

that they have them. Go ahead. In

59:36

the past, there's actually been a spot to put notes.

59:39

And again, this is just me. That's

59:41

where I've added a second camera. So

59:43

I upload both cameras always to

59:46

YouTube. Again, as soon

59:48

as I'm done with workout, I'm backing up those videos

59:51

to YouTube immediately so that I just, if

59:53

the house burns down, I've got those videos

59:55

online. But there was a year,

59:57

the first year, I think maybe the first or second year

59:59

that we did. rope climbs in quarterfinals.

1:00:02

Masters athletes we had GHDs, pistol squats and

1:00:04

rope climbs and it was a really tight

1:00:06

gym. It was really hard to see the

1:00:08

top of the rope but my GoPro showed

1:00:10

a better version of it but it had

1:00:13

a little more fisheye and I didn't want

1:00:15

the fisheye to be an issue

1:00:17

so I recorded both. I submitted my

1:00:19

iPhone video and in the notes section

1:00:21

I included my backup camera in

1:00:24

case they had any issues seeing my hand clearly

1:00:26

touch above the line but I

1:00:28

submitted with it. Tommy

1:00:31

you mentioned that I just had someone reach out to

1:00:33

me that had a teenager that ended up getting a

1:00:35

zero on workout one

1:00:39

because they don't think they received an email

1:00:41

and I just responded back and I'm like

1:00:43

dude check your spam folder and just proactively

1:00:45

send a video into HQ. I don't know

1:00:47

what to tell you. I don't

1:00:49

know what to say but it's right

1:00:51

there so why not

1:00:53

submit it. Unless you're on a time crunch

1:00:56

just submit it. But how are you on a

1:00:58

time crunch with these? That's the thing is that

1:01:00

they increased not. The

1:01:03

way that the athletes are using that

1:01:05

time is to repeat workouts and I'm

1:01:07

not saying that's good, bad or indifferent

1:01:09

but I'm saying the reality is that

1:01:11

athletes were not using this extra time

1:01:13

to make sure that all their T's

1:01:15

and I's were crossed and dotted. They

1:01:17

were using the time to

1:01:19

redo. Whose fault is that? Sure.

1:01:22

I'm not disagreeing.

1:01:24

Look I am not

1:01:26

the guy that you would want to put in

1:01:28

charge of these penalties because if someone said it

1:01:30

was in my spam folder sorry here I'd be

1:01:33

like oh you're good cool we're fine right. But

1:01:36

you can't do that here. Have we

1:01:38

gotten over an official ruling on the

1:01:40

athletes that got their score zero because

1:01:42

their videos got pulled for copyright

1:01:44

music because that's

1:01:46

another potential issue.

1:01:49

That's what I'm saying. That's the reason

1:01:51

why. I know athletes that don't

1:01:53

submit their videos with their scores. They submit

1:01:55

their scores they have all their videos and

1:01:58

they have them. ready

1:02:01

and processed to

1:02:03

provide without publishing them

1:02:05

to potentially have those copyright issues.

1:02:08

So it's like I have all my videos ready

1:02:10

and sorted to go. I can get them to

1:02:12

you immediately once you request them. But

1:02:15

I'm not going to go through the potential

1:02:17

of YouTube corrupting video

1:02:19

or copyright issues or any of the

1:02:22

technical aspects that maybe the average Jim

1:02:24

Goar crossfitter is not going to be

1:02:26

super keyed in on. And so you

1:02:28

avoid that, but you have your stuff

1:02:30

prepared anyways. And that's where I

1:02:32

think we saw some of the issues with like

1:02:35

the 24 hour rule where and actually

1:02:37

reached out to the

1:02:40

PFA about this, about whether or not we

1:02:42

could get you think it's

1:02:44

a reasonable request to have

1:02:46

crossfit state in the rulebook

1:02:48

video review will begin immediately

1:02:50

upon upon the conclusion

1:02:53

of the time window. So athletes have

1:02:56

a reasonable expectation that they can

1:02:58

both hold crossfit to and hold themselves to

1:03:01

because I know from some people that

1:03:03

they got their videos reviewed

1:03:06

or requested immediately. Some people's

1:03:08

three days from down the line. And

1:03:10

I would say even for masters athletes, if you

1:03:13

have a full time job, that's pretty gnarly

1:03:15

to be going back and forth. So across it's like,

1:03:17

hey, we're going to start video review here. And

1:03:20

the minute emails go out, they

1:03:22

put an Instagram post up saying

1:03:25

video review requests have started takes

1:03:28

someone 10 minutes on

1:03:30

Canva to make something

1:03:32

for that. But that's discounting the

1:03:34

quality of graphics people to have there. And

1:03:37

I don't want to do that. But and then

1:03:39

immediately everyone's like, oh, okay, we know. Right?

1:03:44

That just seems like a very easy way to

1:03:46

avoid some of these things. At

1:03:49

the same time, it's like Jason's

1:03:51

point, Jason

1:03:53

uploads all his videos. Why not

1:03:55

just do it that way? And it's and

1:03:58

again, this isn't a two hour. You have to

1:04:00

get all this done you have Because

1:04:03

I think there's variability from people enough to

1:04:05

where across it is clearly sees it that

1:04:07

they don't mandate it Right.

1:04:10

Yeah, I get I know that but it's it

1:04:13

if you're told you're expected to have it and Then

1:04:17

you don't bring it and

1:04:19

then they ask for it You

1:04:22

were told you were expected to have it I Think

1:04:25

it comes down to the same thing if you're

1:04:27

in a college class and you have somebody who

1:04:29

is doing a group project They work ahead of

1:04:32

time They have everything submitted early and then you

1:04:34

have the person who waits for the deadline Like

1:04:36

if I was the athlete I would be like

1:04:38

Jason I would have two angles I

1:04:41

would upload everything private to YouTube so that

1:04:43

when CrossFit asks me for a video I

1:04:45

just go to unlisted send them the link.

1:04:48

I'm refreshing looking at my spam looking at

1:04:50

my junk looking at my email But

1:04:53

I know that the majority of

1:04:55

people Unfortunately do not operate

1:04:57

like that So how can we have

1:04:59

this balancing act of a little bit

1:05:01

of grace for people but also while

1:05:03

making the sport professional? Because if the

1:05:05

athletes want the sport to be professional

1:05:07

they have to uphold their end of

1:05:09

the bargain as well Yeah, but

1:05:11

it's a little bit of grace of bigger

1:05:14

submission window. What isn't

1:05:16

a little bit of grace a bigger submission window

1:05:18

Sure, if you and if you submitted your scores

1:05:20

according to what the rulebook sets That's great and

1:05:23

the rulebook states you don't need your video at

1:05:25

that time and it can be requested of you

1:05:27

It doesn't say when they're gonna request it. No,

1:05:29

it doesn't it doesn't like them. There's

1:05:31

too much room to read between the lines No, there's

1:05:33

not I don't think there is there's a risk of

1:05:35

reading between the lines if you want

1:05:38

to read between the lines That's a risk. There's

1:05:40

a way to take no risks here. Well

1:05:43

They need a spoon feed they need to put

1:05:45

clear Or Spoon

1:05:48

feeding people I mean, but but how but here's

1:05:50

the thing and this goes back to my statement

1:05:52

earlier Cross it itself

1:05:54

is not perpetuating an era of professionalism

1:05:56

when they set deadlines and schedules for

1:05:58

themselves not already here Right?

1:06:01

So this is the byproduct of that.

1:06:03

You have people looking up and saying,

1:06:06

well, CrossFit's not doing it. Like, why

1:06:08

do I need to do it? Well, that's a

1:06:10

bad excuse. It is. I'm not saying it's a

1:06:12

great excuse. But if you're looking, if you want

1:06:14

to objectively take a step back and be like,

1:06:16

how can we solve this, right? Athletes

1:06:20

need to take responsibility for

1:06:23

how they can best prepare. CrossFit needs

1:06:25

to take responsibility for how they can

1:06:27

best prepare. And you can't tell me

1:06:29

that CrossFit better preparing for these types

1:06:31

of scenarios isn't to communicate better.

1:06:35

Right? Well, I'm with you on like the, I think the

1:06:37

Instagram post or something like that on social media. Like that's,

1:06:39

that's an app. I mean, you

1:06:41

know, why not just your average five,

1:06:44

your local 5k lets you know when

1:06:46

invites or registration is open and when

1:06:48

those things happen, like a

1:06:50

push notification through the app and all those other

1:06:52

things is a super easy way to do it.

1:06:54

And it's just like, what's the new app? They're using they could

1:06:56

have used it for this. But

1:06:58

it's also the, and it also becomes that death by

1:07:00

a thousand cuts, right? You know, like if this was

1:07:03

the first time this was happening, or if this is

1:07:05

like, you know, the, the, a situation

1:07:08

where it's very uncommon for this gray area and

1:07:11

all these back and forths to happen, like the

1:07:13

fact that we're having this discussion means that there

1:07:15

are people that are going to look at this

1:07:17

scenario and think like, why

1:07:19

do I need to, why

1:07:21

do I need to put my all my effort

1:07:23

in and, and cross my

1:07:25

T's and dot my I's for an organization that is

1:07:27

not going to do it for me in return. And

1:07:29

I'm not saying they're correct in thinking that or that's

1:07:32

the best way for them to be successful as an

1:07:34

athlete. But that is the, that is the environment that

1:07:36

you breathe in those scenarios. Okay,

1:07:39

I mean, I understand that. But like I said, at

1:07:41

the end of the day, you as the athlete are

1:07:43

choosing to conduct yourself that way and putting yourself at

1:07:45

risk if you're not going to cross

1:07:48

those T's and dot all the lowercase J's like it's

1:07:51

for sure. I mean, it's like any team

1:07:53

you've been on, right? Like if there's an

1:07:55

environment or a winning a non winning culture

1:07:57

set, they're going to be the athletes that

1:08:00

still that culture, culture internally

1:08:02

as well. Right. But

1:08:04

there's also responsibility from the team, from the

1:08:06

organization, from the coaches, to help support that

1:08:08

for the best case scenario of everyone involved

1:08:10

going. And I'm not saying it's a one

1:08:12

to one comparison. But I do think there's

1:08:14

there are parallels between that. And

1:08:16

I don't know if it's happening on all

1:08:19

fronts. Like we do have athletes like Jason,

1:08:21

like I would say Brent and even Pat

1:08:23

forgetting who got who got dinged

1:08:25

a couple times, they put out good movement,

1:08:27

they go all those little things that most

1:08:29

people aren't willing to do. And

1:08:31

they reap the rewards as

1:08:34

a result. You know, I don't think

1:08:36

it's insignificant that Jason goes through that detail

1:08:38

and is also a multi time champion and

1:08:40

the most successful Masters athlete we've ever seen.

1:08:43

And there's there, there's always going to be what

1:08:45

it takes and what what won't get you there.

1:08:48

And I don't, I

1:08:50

don't know if the space or the sport is in a

1:08:53

place where where

1:08:56

it can continue to not fester in

1:08:58

a way where people are pointing across

1:09:00

the aisle if everyone doesn't

1:09:03

put their hand up and be accountable. That's not

1:09:05

just athletes. Yeah. You

1:09:07

know, the solution is more in person competition. That's

1:09:11

the yes. All right. Certainly

1:09:15

helps more fun. It would. All right. Well, does

1:09:17

anyone else? Anybody want to add anything more to

1:09:20

this before we we put this

1:09:22

to bed and go and when are they done with this? The

1:09:25

29th allegedly is when everything is supposed to be

1:09:28

Oh, God. I mean, it makes it makes

1:09:30

for good content.

1:09:33

It makes it

1:09:36

very interesting. I'm, I'm, I'm incredibly

1:09:38

sad, honestly, for the athletes that

1:09:41

aren't going to semi finals because of something

1:09:43

like this. We've talked about a

1:09:45

lot of athlete responsibility, and

1:09:47

being professionals themselves and dotting

1:09:49

their lowercase jays and all that.

1:09:52

But I mean, I know Paige

1:09:54

and I've trained with her and she's I love how

1:09:56

she's been on the plane. You know, I just can't

1:09:58

imagine. like, what. Would be

1:10:00

like that that that not in your chest

1:10:02

To see something like that in the off

1:10:04

season is over because of. A

1:10:06

mistake I made. It is a mythic, the

1:10:09

executioner mistake and it you had not because

1:10:11

of your train up, because you're not a

1:10:13

tremendous athletes and it it's a mistake in

1:10:15

execution and you're out of. It's brutal, It's

1:10:17

real. This is real life. But

1:10:19

dang. It. Every.

1:10:22

Other thing I was gonna say is I

1:10:24

I did just do a quick check and

1:10:26

I don't have any videos huge yet. As

1:10:28

a Mattress Athletes I know there's this priority

1:10:31

to get the leaderboard finalized. for the individuals

1:10:33

are quarter of our semifinals starts and thirteen

1:10:35

days. So I know that for us, I

1:10:37

don't know when our leader board is finalized,

1:10:40

what's of? You know there's there's there's a

1:10:42

time, ours, ours happens weeks before the individuals

1:10:44

and I'm not asking for them to prioritize

1:10:46

us. it's it's it's. totally okay. However, they

1:10:49

get. Get. To us but will be

1:10:51

refreshing are leaderboard all day long to to

1:10:53

and bandwidth hitting the website with with a

1:10:55

fresh his yeah I think that a five

1:10:57

button is been. yeah I think I've worn

1:10:59

it out on my keyboard at some that

1:11:02

money. Anyway we've got, we've got a few

1:11:04

more days of of this. I think a

1:11:06

little bit of our uncertainty for all athletes

1:11:08

that will have you brought us of that.

1:11:10

I and I really want to mix serve.

1:11:13

That. It by my desk or I don't think anybody.

1:11:15

Who got hit with these penalties

1:11:17

was intentionally trying to. Cheat.

1:11:20

Yeah. You're they thought are moving well

1:11:22

and that's young and I foresee that. that

1:11:24

was not the case. The other thing I

1:11:27

know. Is how we talk

1:11:29

to people who are responsible for adjudicating

1:11:31

this process. They take no joy and

1:11:33

having to communicate to an athlete say

1:11:35

hey sorry. You. Missed the window. Your

1:11:37

season's over there, not sooner like twirling their

1:11:40

mustache has been here. Got another with racist?

1:11:42

they don't This is not fun for them.

1:11:44

him. He. Africa can we talk

1:11:46

about this every year? but as

1:11:48

assigning like nefarious intense correcting for

1:11:50

is is is wrong and I

1:11:52

think our. Is not

1:11:55

the way to approach it necessarily. but

1:11:57

I'm. Yeah, that's. That's.

1:11:59

Brutal. I mean. Especially for

1:12:01

athletes like pays was seen was seen them

1:12:03

operated the highest level. Just a three

1:12:06

year last year. Yeah a cut

1:12:08

are coming off the top ten finish at

1:12:10

the games on. But

1:12:12

man, It's it's tough Adjacent minute the

1:12:14

her your leaderboard finalizes May First By the

1:12:17

way, May. First. Of

1:12:19

it. Is. That a week before semifinals.

1:12:22

At the something like organizing without

1:12:24

yeah, the verses. A Wednesday next

1:12:26

once. I get our side of semifinals come

1:12:28

out and want any a. Really?

1:12:31

Quick turnaround. Jason.

1:12:33

Things good we learn when it does it

1:12:35

say to all the masses athletes it a

1:12:37

listening for heading into semifinals he oh that's

1:12:39

where we thread the needle right? There's not

1:12:41

that may. There's more spots than we've ever

1:12:43

had to get to the games. But having

1:12:46

come from. Having to be in

1:12:48

the top ten every year for the past

1:12:50

however many years of a just gotta double

1:12:52

down on those movement patterns on keeping them

1:12:55

super clear, know the standards. If.

1:12:57

You have questions asked me as somebody converse

1:12:59

with other people to make sure that super

1:13:01

clear and.makes it a. Cameras are in the

1:13:03

right positions, you sell everything squeaky clean. We

1:13:06

also forced to buy five will have that

1:13:08

extended period we've got that when they threw

1:13:10

a Monday, so there's plenty of time to

1:13:13

do it right. Yeah well

1:13:15

that's where things are gonna Ask you what you're you're

1:13:17

kind of reporting message to the athletes. Here was a

1:13:19

new. Set of my mind so. A.

1:13:21

Preset up: I have a party

1:13:23

method. Yeah, consider maybe we should

1:13:25

have our our training sessions judged

1:13:27

more frequently. Said you think the that's

1:13:29

a really good one though. I did

1:13:31

did spared he amongst what you see in

1:13:34

the gym where it's easy to let a

1:13:36

wobble Mr Target hear their whatever it may

1:13:38

be. Happen And and actually

1:13:40

like putting yourself into a ring where you

1:13:42

at the except know wraps in a way

1:13:44

I think that could break down the barrier

1:13:46

between both judge an athlete in your own

1:13:48

of Philly if you're a camp or something

1:13:50

like that neck and ultimately help this and

1:13:52

along and to. The. I did. Really.

1:13:56

Having a simulation you know of a few weeks

1:13:58

before these qualifiers doing it. Related: A weekend

1:14:00

where you're actually filming? You're going through the

1:14:03

workload of that could there is a significant

1:14:05

workload the comes with setting up your camera,

1:14:07

the barbell, everything, measuring everything, warming up, doing

1:14:09

the work out. It's very different in your

1:14:11

training day and I got lots of years

1:14:13

of doing this. But I'll tell you, the

1:14:15

first quarter fi i did event to first

1:14:18

this year and I was all nerves. and

1:14:20

you know what happens when you're all nerves

1:14:22

and a quarterfinal. You. Go through

1:14:24

hot you start you know I feel

1:14:26

great these burping feel great and and

1:14:28

I suffered. Greatly. The

1:14:31

Red Army Nine hundred, Murphy the hundred. Yeah,

1:14:33

then I the point I got punched in

1:14:35

the face because the workload is so different

1:14:37

and you forget until you're in that the

1:14:40

cameras rolling charges. They are the whole thing

1:14:42

and up. But yeah, getting some practice refs

1:14:44

Tommy. Like you said, practice rough with someone

1:14:46

Challenger reps checking your movement in your own

1:14:48

video Practice uploading the you tube with background

1:14:50

music C can figure out. Okay, what happens

1:14:53

when I get a copyright claim was nine

1:14:55

times that it had. It's no big deal

1:14:57

if it's unlisted. no problem but doing some

1:14:59

practice. Refs there. That's just that for future

1:15:01

future practice. Yeah Nfl teams do our time in

1:15:03

training camp of bring an end of the officials

1:15:06

have. A fussy the from years ago

1:15:08

so they know the a Harvard and I

1:15:10

think I don't know and you can maybe

1:15:12

sweetie this guy but it whether or not

1:15:15

there's a stigma of like how costly one

1:15:17

or two new erupts actually is right like.

1:15:19

and if you're if you have like a

1:15:21

goal in mind and you're able to fight

1:15:23

through a few of those and still get

1:15:26

that in those training sessions then. You

1:15:28

know, maybe to a bit of an eye opener on

1:15:30

that regard to for Sir Galligan. Like you said, do

1:15:32

some. Know. Rep me during this because I don't want

1:15:34

cross at the on it. The. Want Dad when

1:15:36

you know why waste your body long

1:15:38

enough? For every rep

1:15:41

counts that guy that was I've been I'm

1:15:43

I'm grateful to be second place and I'm

1:15:45

always competitive. I second is of it is

1:15:47

a joy or but I was tube or

1:15:50

bees from first I was one. Clean.

1:15:52

And jerk from first that's how tight this stuff gets

1:15:54

and so if I if I had no reps or

1:15:56

if I would have just worked harder you know in

1:15:59

every single work out. And I, you know, I end

1:16:01

up on every single one of these reps counts.

1:16:03

And that's where live action also changes the calculus

1:16:05

a little bit. Cause you have no idea where

1:16:07

your competition is. You can see where that guy

1:16:09

is. You can put like that. It just changes

1:16:11

everything. So yeah, I'm glad, you know, second place.

1:16:13

That's fantastic. Glad you're moving on. Looking forward to

1:16:15

watching you compete the rest of the way. Thanks

1:16:17

so much for being here, man. We really appreciate

1:16:19

it. And that, and that, uh, athletes perspective and

1:16:22

it's, it's things like, I hate to

1:16:24

see when athletes, cause I, I know

1:16:26

how hard they work to

1:16:29

have it come down to a missed email and

1:16:31

a failed submission or, you

1:16:33

know, you weren't, you thought you were

1:16:35

moving correctly and you weren't that sucks.

1:16:38

I hate that. And, and, you know,

1:16:40

I can't imagine what that feeling

1:16:42

is like. Um, but

1:16:45

rules are rules and it's like, I'm

1:16:47

glad I'm not, again, I'm glad I'm glad, not the guy

1:16:49

in charge of this cause there'd be a lot of exceptions

1:16:51

being made because, Oh no, you're that's okay. Whatever you're fine.

1:16:53

You know, but we can't, we can't do

1:16:55

it that way. It's a sport, it's a competition. We're trying to

1:16:57

find the winner and then that won't work. So Jason,

1:17:00

thanks so much for being here. Thanks everybody for listening and watching.

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We really appreciate it. Love to get your thoughts on this as

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well and how we can make this better and, and, uh, and

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move on, but now it is. We'll

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see, we'll see how much carnage remains and then

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we'll hopefully be talking about semi-finals and we don't

1:17:13

have to deal with this stuff anymore, but this

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is the once a year occurrence of online

1:17:18

chaos. Sorry

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everybody. Thanks so much. We appreciate it. Talking

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to our guests, the whole Kahlil and Jason Gruff.

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I'm Sean Woodland. Take care of each other. Be better. If

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it's good, I don't want to wait.